the i dont care about politics anymore thread

[Reiwa]

Federalism FTW

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3480358&postcount=24125

[Elizondo]

Pedo Pete cares more about illegal aliens than 10 year old rape victims

[Horza]

Pedo Pete cares more about illegal aliens than 10 year old rape victims

Again, only one group of inbred bible thumpers is trying to force ten year old rape victims to carry a child to term.

[Skarne]

Pedo Pete cares more about illegal aliens than 10 year old rape victims

Says the cheerleader for the party that made her cross state lines to abort the baby that may have killed her in childbirth and is also a product of rape.

[Skarne]

L oh fricken LLLLLLLLL

Now who’s wrong motherfuckers!!! Hahahah

1IPWtipYNHY

Idk why you are so happy about this situation. That’s what tucker does to folks though. Feeds the loser’s need for validation to the point they lose all empathy for their fellow man. You sure owned the libs there jib.

[Elizondo]

Again, only one group of inbred bible thumpers is trying to force ten year old rape victims to carry a child to term.

lol k

[Horza]

Idk why you are so happy about this situation. That’s what tucker does to folks though. Feeds the loser’s need for validation to the point they lose all empathy for their fellow man. You sure owned the libs there jib.

I still think the GOP midterm slogan should be fuck those child rape victims, these freaks don't care about anything but trying to own libs.

[Elizondo]

I still think the GOP midterm slogan should be fuck those child rape victims, these freaks don't care about anything but trying to own libs.

Party of Sex Traffickers, Groomers and Illegal Alien Rapists of 10 year olds is really going to get out the vote for Democrats this November

[Rainik Stormseeker]

First you retards said it was fake news or whatever the talking heads on Fox News told you to say and now you're just posting Tucker clips.

It seems to me the point of posting the clip was not to say it was an illegal alien who raped and impregnated a 10 year old girl (i.e. that it actually happened vs being a made up story by Biden admin), but in what the first guest stated in that segment - that the Ohio heartbeat (Senate Bill 23) contains a "medical emergency exception that is broader than just the life of the mother", implying it could have been done , and that she WOULDN"T have to leave the state to have an abortion.. isn't that the crux of the argument here?

Ok, so i went looking for the language of the law , yet google and duck duck go algorithms want me seeing ONLY the bombastic mainstream media headlines about the evils of this law... but not the actual LANGUAGE of the law.

For some reason, https://www.legislature.ohio.gov/ keeps timing out (how convenient..)

https://www.legislature.ohio.gov/legislation/legislation-summary?id=GA134-SB-23

Can someone please find and post the actual bill so we can read what it actually says before believing what the MSM says, or jumping to conclusions?

[Horza]

It seems to me the point of posting the clip was not to say it was an illegal alien who raped and impregnated a 10 year old girl (i.e. that it actually happened vs being a made up story by Biden admin), but in what the first guest stated in that segment - that the Ohio heartbeat (Senate Bill 23) contains a "medical emergency exception that is broader than just the life of the mother", implying it could have been done , and that she WOULDN"T have to leave the state to have an abortion.. isn't that the crux of the argument here?

Ok, so i went looking for the language of the law , yet google and duck duck go algorithms want me seeing ONLY the bombastic mainstream media headlines about the evils of this law... but not the actual LANGUAGE of the law.

For some reason, https://www.legislature.ohio.gov/ keeps timing out (how convenient..)

https://www.legislature.ohio.gov/legislation/legislation-summary?id=GA134-SB-23

Can someone please find and post the actual bill so we can read what it actually says before believing what the MSM says, or jumping to conclusions?

The fact that you and Jib think Tucker is a reliable source of information despite his own lawyers arguing his show is for entertainment purposes only and shouldn't be taken seriously says more than any attempt to dunk on you I could possibly make.

[Jibartik]

Idk why you are so happy about this situation

Read the last 5 pages lmao

[Jibartik]

1IPWtipYNHY

Remember Kids: It's ALWAYS leftist policy that is the root of the problem.

It was with their ideas on how we should use slavery. And it is with their trophy rape victim.

https://i.imgur.com/h65y5Fx.png

[Elizondo]

R3zQnkxxib4

[Jibartik]

https://i.imgur.com/m16MWNW.png

again: who's wrong now?

shZFQNw6kek

[Horza]

Indiana AG now says they are looking into the doctor who provided abortion for ten year old rape victim. (https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1547367841539756038)

[Jibartik]

This whole thing is a psyop.

[Elizondo]

Indiana AG now says they are looking into the doctor who provided abortion for ten year old rape victim. (https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1547367841539756038)

Horza wants 10 year olds raped by illegal aliens so they can get an abortion so badly

[Horza]

Are you surprised people see religious fanatics who want to force ten year olds to carry a child to term as freaks who would probably fit in better in Saudi Arabia or Iran?

[Jibartik]

psy op psy op psy op

no way the literal favorite argument for abortion the left has, happens to be defeated their most hated argument trump had against illegal immigrants.

https://i.imgur.com/RpJYqu0.png

[Horza]

psy op psy op psy op

no way the literal favorite argument for abortion the left has, happens to be defeated their most hated argument trump had against illegal immigrants.

https://i.imgur.com/RpJYqu0.png

This schizo crap is a pretty weak defense of all you Republicans going full Handmaid's Tale on ten year old rape victims.

[Kaveh]

Yep, we’re back to anything you guys disagree with can’t be true. Even though it quite obviously is the reason those of us with brains begrudgingly accept things we don’t like being legal in the first place

[Jibartik]

This schizo crap

That victim you're so proud of is literally your fault.

(not you keveh, you voted for the wall, when he litearlly said they were sending the you know who's not their best)

[Kaveh]

There’s nothing I can’t do. I invaded Ukraine and now I’m a rapist

Funny since I’ve never been pro illegal immigration

Next week I’ll be hunter Biden’s father I guess

[Jibartik]

One thing is for sure, you cant read! lol :o

(jk I assume you saw that I edited in, when i noticed you replied before I could hit enter)

But if we had what you voted for in 2016 then... we wouldnt need what you're saying we need to protect ourselves from now.

Think about it..

[Kaveh]

At least you admit it happened, that’s progress I suppose

[Jibartik]

Hey I'm definitely down to believe news reporting over some president saying it's true without any evidence, that a weakness in your mind?

[Jibartik]

You're right these are trying times.

It's a shame we didnt listen to trump about who they were sending.

[Rainik Stormseeker]

The fact that you and Jib think Tucker is a reliable source of information despite his own lawyers arguing his show is for entertainment purposes only and shouldn't be taken seriously says more than any attempt to dunk on you I could possibly make.

So you ignored everything I said and are putting words in my posts that don't exist. Gotcha.

Let me try this another way:

... what the first guest stated in that segment - that the Ohio heartbeat (Senate Bill 23) contains a "medical emergency exception that is broader than just the life of the mother", implying it could have been done , and that she WOULDN"T have to leave the state to have an abortion.. isn't that the crux of the argument here?

...

For some reason, https://www.legislature.ohio.gov/ keeps timing out (how convenient..)

https://www.legislature.ohio.gov/legislation/legislation-summary?id=GA134-SB-23

Can someone please find and post the actual bill so we can read what it actually says before believing what the MSM says, or jumping to conclusions?

[Kaveh]

Trump was right about illegal immigration and China. He’s wrong about everything else, including his diet, temperament, personality, and lack of integrity

He doesn’t get a pass. He sucked. We’d all take a demented father of a crackhead over him. That’s how bad he was and is

Now since he lost in an embarrassingly lopsided election, how about addressing the Republican states forcing rape victims to carry the children of their rapists? You don’t get to weasel your way out of this one

[Horza]

At least you admit it happened, that’s progress I suppose

In a couple hours they went from denying the procedure was even illegal in a godawful red state to the AG announcing an investigation into the doctor live on Fox News.

[Kaveh]

Yeah I guess I’m the #1 suspect, I’ve been busy since I invaded Ukraine

/shrug

[Jibartik]

I thought I was the one that invaded ukraine?

[Reiwa]

So you ignored everything I said and are putting words in my posts that don't exist. Gotcha.

Let me try this another way:

I would but it looks like it's been stuck in committee since 1/27/21. Presumed to be deceased.

jk im trying to be nicer

As Introduced
134th General Assembly
Regular Session S. B. No. 23
2021-2022
Senator Gavarone
A B I L L
To amend sections 4511.751 and 4511.76 and to enact
sections 5.501, 4511.752, 4511.753, 4511.754,
4511.755, 4511.756, and 4511.757 of the Revised
Code to impose a civil penalty when a driver who
illegally passes a school bus cannot be
identified, to designate the month of August as
"School Bus Safety Awareness Month," and to
designate this act as the School Bus Safety Act.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF OHIO:
Section 1. That sections 4511.751 and 4511.76 be amended
and sections 5.501, 4511.752, 4511.753, 4511.754, 4511.755,
4511.756, and 4511.757 of the Revised Code be enacted to read as
follows:
Sec. 5.501. The month of August is designated as "School
Bus Safety Awareness Month" to increase public awareness of the
need to properly stop when a stopped school bus is loading and
unloading passengers.
Sec. 4511.751. (A) As used in this section, "license
plate" includes, but is not limited to, any temporary license
placard issued under section 4503.182 of the Revised Code or
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similar law of another jurisdiction.
(B) When the operator of a school bus believes that a
motorist has violated division (A) of section 4511.75 of the
Revised Code, the operator shall report the license plate number
and a general description of the vehicle and of the operator of
the vehicle to the law enforcement agency exercising
jurisdiction over the area where the alleged violation occurred.
The information contained in the report relating to the license
plate number and to the general description of the vehicle and
the operator of the vehicle at the time of the alleged violation
may be supplied by any person with first-hand knowledge of the
information. Information of which the operator of the school bus
has first-hand knowledge also may be corroborated by any other
person, or an image, images, or video recorded by a school bus
camera installed pursuant to section 4511.76 of the Revised
Code.
(C) Upon receipt of the report of the alleged violation of
division (A) of section 4511.75 of the Revised Code, the law
enforcement agency shall conduct an investigation to attempt to
determine or confirm the license plate of the vehicle or the
identity of the operator of the vehicle at the time of the
alleged violation. The law enforcement agency may use a
sufficiently clear image, images, or video provided by a school
bus camera installed pursuant to section 4511.76 of the Revised
Code to determine the identity of the operator of the vehicle or
the vehicle's license plate at the time of the alleged
violation.
(D) If the identity of the operator at the time of the
alleged violation is established, the reporting of the license
plate number of the vehicle shall establish probable cause for
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the law enforcement agency to issue a criminal citation for the
violation of division (A) of section 4511.75 of the Revised
Code. However, if
(E) If the identity of the operator of the vehicle at the
time of the alleged violation cannot be established, the law
enforcement agency shall issue a warning do one of the
following, as applicable:
(1) Issue a ticket for a civil penalty of three hundred
dollars to the registered owner of the vehicle at the time of
the alleged violation, except in the case of a leased or rented
vehicle when the warning shall be issued to the lessee at the
time of the alleged violation in accordance with sections
4511.752 to 4511.757 of the Revised Code. A law enforcement
agency shall not issue a ticket under this division unless both
of the following apply:
(a) The entity responsible for operation of the school bus
that is the subject of the alleged violation has installed a
camera pursuant to section 4511.76 of the Revised Code on all
school buses actively operated by the entity;
(b) The recorded image meets all requirements necessary to
issue a ticket under section 4511.753 of the Revised Code.
(2) If a ticket cannot be issued under division (E)(1) of
this section, issue a warning to the registered owner of the
vehicle at the time of the alleged violation. A law enforcement
agency shall issue a warning under this division when the
recorded image, images, or video are sufficiently clear to
identify the license plate of the vehicle that is the subject of
the alleged violation.
(F) A law enforcement agency shall not issue both a
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criminal citation and a civil ticket for a single instance of a
violation of division (A) of section 4511.75 of the Revised
Code.
(G) The registrar of motor vehicles and deputy registrars
shall, at the time of issuing license plates to any person,
include with the license plate a summary of the requirements of
division (A) of section 4511.75 of the Revised Code and the
procedures of, and penalty in, division (F) of section 4511.75
of the Revised Code.
Sec. 4511.752. As used in sections 4511.751 to 4511.757
and section 4511.76 of the Revised Code:
(A) "Designated party" means the person whom the
registered owner of a vehicle, upon receipt of a ticket based
upon images recorded by a school bus camera that indicate a
traffic law violation, identifies as the person who was
operating the vehicle of the registered owner at the time of the
violation.
(B) "Law enforcement officer" means a sheriff, deputy
sheriff, marshal, deputy marshal, police officer of a police
department of any municipal corporation, police constable of any
township, or police officer of a township or joint police
district, who is employed on a permanent, full-time basis by a
law enforcement agency.
(C) "Motor vehicle leasing dealer" has the same meaning as
in section 4517.01 of the Revised Code.
(D) "Motor vehicle renting dealer" has the same meaning as
in section 4549.65 of the Revised Code.
(E) "Recorded images" means either of the following
images, recorded by a school bus camera, that are sufficiently
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clear and show, on at least one image or on a portion of the
videotape, the rear of a vehicle and the letters and numerals on
the rear license plate of the vehicle:
(1) Two or more photographs, microphotographs, electronic
images, or digital images;
(2) Videotape.
(F) "Registered owner" means all of the following:
(1) Any person or entity identified by the bureau of motor
vehicles or any other state motor vehicle registration bureau,
department, or office as the owner of a vehicle;
(2) The lessee of a vehicle under a lease of six months or
longer;
(3) The renter of a vehicle pursuant to a written rental
agreement with a motor vehicle renting dealer.
(G) "School bus camera" means an electronic system located
on a school bus that consists of a photographic, video, or
electronic camera, and that can produce recorded images.
(H) "Entity responsible for operation of the school bus"
means the applicable board of education of a city, local or
exempted village school district, the governing board of an
educational service center, county boards of developmental
disabilities, or the governing authority of all non-public
schools, community schools, private contractors, and head start
programs that is responsible for the operation of the school bus
on which a school bus camera is installed.
(I) "Ticket" means any traffic ticket, citation, summons,
or other ticket issued in response to an alleged traffic law
violation detected by a school bus camera that represents a
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civil violation.
(J) "Traffic law violation" means a violation of division
(A) of section 4511.75 of the Revised Code, or a substantially
equivalent municipal ordinance, when division (E) of section
4511.751 of the Revised Code applies.
Sec. 4511.753. (A)(1) Subject to division (E)(1) of
section 4511.751 of the Revised Code, when a law enforcement
agency receives a report under division (B) of that section, and
the identity of the operator of the vehicle at the time of the
alleged violation cannot be established, the law enforcement
agency may use any lawful means to identify the registered owner
for purposes of issuing a ticket under this section to that
owner if all of the following are shown on the image recorded by
a school bus camera:
(a) The traffic law violation;
(b) The date and time of the violation;
(c) The letter and numerals on the license plate of the
vehicle involved and the state that issued the license plate.
(2) The fact that a person or entity is the registered
owner of a vehicle is prima facie evidence that that person or
entity is the person who was operating the vehicle at the time
of the traffic law violation.
(B)(1) After the identification of the registered owner
under division (A) of this section and within thirty days of the
traffic law violation, the law enforcement agency may issue and
send by regular mail a ticket charging the registered owner with
the violation.
(2) A traffic law violation for which a ticket is issued
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by a law enforcement agency based on evidence recorded by a
school bus camera is a civil violation. The ticket shall comply
with the requirements of section 4511.754 of the Revised Code,
and the fine for the ticket is three hundred dollars.
(C) A law enforcement agency that mails a ticket charging
the registered owner with the traffic law violation shall,
without unnecessary delay, file a certified copy of the ticket
with the municipal court or county court with jurisdiction over
the civil action.
(D) A certified copy of the ticket alleging a traffic law
violation, sworn to or affirmed by a law enforcement officer
employed by the law enforcement agency, including by electronic
means, and the recorded images produced by the school bus
camera, is prima facie evidence of the facts contained therein
and is admissible in a civil action or proceeding concerning the
ticket issued under this section.
Sec. 4511.754. A law enforcement agency shall ensure that
a ticket for a traffic law violation sent under section 4511.753
of the Revised Code contains all of the following:
(A) The name and address of the registered owner;
(B) The letters and numerals appearing on the license
plate issued to the vehicle;
(C) The traffic law violation charged;
(D) A statement that the violation was recorded by a
school bus camera;
(E) The date and time of the violation;
(F) A copy of the recorded images;
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(G) The amount of the civil penalty imposed, the date by
which the civil penalty is required to be paid, and the address
of the municipal court or county court with jurisdiction over
the civil action to which the payment is to be sent;
(H) A statement signed by a law enforcement officer
indicating that, based on an inspection of the recorded images,
the vehicle was involved in a traffic law violation and the
recorded images are prima facie evidence of that traffic law
violation. The law enforcement officer may sign the statement
electronically.
(I) Information advising the person or entity alleged to
be liable of the options prescribed in section 4511.755 of the
Revised Code. The law enforcement agency shall include with the
information the time, place, and manner in which the person or
entity may appear in court to contest the violation and ticket
and the procedure for disclaiming liability by submitting an
affidavit to the municipal court or county court as prescribed
in section 4511.755 of the Revised Code.
(J) A warning that failure to exercise one of the options
prescribed in section 4511.755 of the Revised Code is deemed to
be an admission of liability and waiver of the opportunity to
contest the violation.
Sec. 4511.755. A person or entity who receives a ticket
for a civil violation sent under section 4511.753 of the Revised
Code shall elect to do one of the following:
(A) In accordance with instructions on the ticket, pay the
civil penalty, thereby admitting liability and waiving the
opportunity to contest the violation;
(B)(1) Within thirty days after receipt of the ticket,
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provide the municipal court or county court with jurisdiction
over the civil action with either of the following affidavits:
(a) An affidavit executed by the registered owner and the
operator of the vehicle at the time of the violation identifying
that operator as the designated party who may be held liable for
the violation, and containing at a minimum the name and address
of that designated party;
(b) An affidavit executed by the registered owner stating
that at the time of the violation, the vehicle or the license
plates issued to the vehicle were stolen and therefore were in
the care, custody, or control of some person or entity to whom
the registered owner did not grant permission to use the
vehicle. To demonstrate that the vehicle or the license plates
were stolen prior to the traffic law violation and therefore
were not under the control or possession of the registered owner
at the time of the violation, the registered owner shall submit
proof that a report about the stolen vehicle or license plates
was filed with the appropriate law enforcement agency prior to
the violation or within forty-eight hours after the violation
occurred.
(2) A registered owner is not responsible for a traffic
law violation if, within thirty days after the date of mailing
of the ticket, the registered owner furnishes an affidavit
specified in division (B)(1)(a) or (b) of this section to the
court with jurisdiction in a form established by the court and
the following conditions are met:
(a) If the registered owner and the operator of the
vehicle at the time of the violation submit an affidavit as
specified in division (B)(1)(a) of this section, the operator as
the designated party either accepts liability for the violation
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by paying the civil penalty or by failing to request a court
hearing within thirty days or is determined liable in a court
hearing.
(b) If the registered owner submits an affidavit as
specified in division (B)(1)(b) of this section, the affidavit
is supported by a stolen vehicle or stolen license plate report
as required in that division.
(C) If the registered owner is a motor vehicle leasing
dealer or a motor vehicle renting dealer, notify the court with
jurisdiction of the name and address of the lessee or renter of
the vehicle at the time of the traffic law violation. The court
shall establish the form of the notice. A motor vehicle leasing
dealer or motor vehicle renting dealer who receives a ticket for
an alleged traffic law violation detected by a school bus camera
is not liable for a ticket issued for a vehicle that was in the
care, custody, or control of a lessee or renter at the time of
the alleged violation. The dealer shall not pay such a ticket
and subsequently attempt to collect a fee or assess the lessee
or renter a charge for any payment of such a ticket made on
behalf of the lessee or renter.
(D) If the vehicle involved in the traffic law violation
is a commercial motor vehicle and the ticket is issued to a
corporate entity, provide to the court with jurisdiction an
affidavit in a form established by the court, sworn to or
affirmed by an agent of the corporate entity, that provides the
name and address of the employee who was operating the vehicle
at the time of the alleged violation and who is the designated
party;
(E) Contest the ticket by filing a written request for a
court hearing to review the ticket in a form established by the
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court. The person shall file the written request not later than
thirty days after receipt of the ticket. The failure to request
a hearing within this time period constitutes a waiver of the
right to contest the violation and ticket, and is deemed to
constitute an admission of liability.
Sec. 4511.756. (A)(1) A court with jurisdiction that
receives an affidavit described in division (B)(1)(a) or (D) of
section 4511.755 of the Revised Code or a notification under
division (C) of that section from a registered owner may proceed
to notify the law enforcement agency to send a ticket that
conforms with this section and section 4511.754 of the Revised
Code to the designated party.
(2) The law enforcement agency shall send the conforming
ticket to the designated party by ordinary mail not later than
twenty-one days after receipt of the notification from the
court.
(B)(1) If the court finds by a preponderance of the
evidence that the alleged traffic law violation did in fact
occur and that the person named in the original or any
subsequent ticket is the person who was operating the vehicle at
the time of the violation, the court shall issue a written
decision imposing liability for the violation upon the
individual and submit it to the law enforcement agency and the
person named in the ticket.
(2) If the court finds by a preponderance of the evidence
that the alleged traffic law violation did not occur or did in
fact occur but the person named in the original or any
subsequent ticket is not the person who was operating the
vehicle at the time of the violation, the court shall issue a
written decision finding that the individual is not liable for
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the violation and submit it to the law enforcement agency and
the person named in the ticket.
(3) If the person who requested the court hearing fails to
appear, the court shall determine that the person is liable for
the violation. In such a case, the court shall issue a written
decision imposing liability for the violation upon the
individual and submit it to the law enforcement agency and the
person named in the ticket.
(4) The court shall render a decision on the day a hearing
takes place.
(C) The court shall charge the applicable court costs and
fees for the civil action to the party that does not prevail in
the action.
Sec. 4511.757. (A) The three-hundred-dollar civil penalty
charged under division (E) of section 4511.751 of the Revised
Code shall be distributed as follows:
(1) Twenty-five dollars to the political subdivision with
jurisdiction over the law enforcement officer who issued the
ticket;
(2) Twenty-five dollars to the school bus safety and
education fund created in division (B) of this section;
(3) Two hundred fifty dollars to the entity responsible
for operation of the school bus. Of that amount, if the entity
responsible for operation of the school bus is under contract
with a company to install and manage cameras on the entity's
school buses, the entity shall pay not more than one hundred
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entity responsible for operation of a school bus to enter into a
contract with a company to install and manage cameras on the
entity's school buses.
(B) There is hereby created in the state treasury the
school bus safety and education fund. The fund shall consist of
a portion of the money received from the issuance of civil
penalties for traffic law violations. The superintendent of
public instruction shall use money in the fund to enhance school
bus safety and raise public awareness of the laws governing
school bus safety. All investment earnings of the fund shall be
credited to the fund.
Sec. 4511.76. (A) The department of public safety, by and
with the advice of the superintendent of public instruction,
shall adopt and enforce rules relating to the construction,
design, and equipment of all school buses both publicly and
privately owned and operated in this state, including lighting
rules governing both of the following:
(1) Lighting equipment required by section 4511.771 of the
Revised Code, of all school buses both publicly and privately
owned and operated in this state;
(2) A school bus camera that provides an image, images, or
video solely for purposes of recording a violation of division
(A) of section 4511.75 of the Revised Code.
(B) The department of education, by and with the advice of
the director of public safety, shall adopt and enforce rules
relating to the operation of all vehicles used for pupil
transportation.
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the department of education or the department of public safety.
No person, being the owner thereof or having the supervisory
responsibility therefor, shall permit the operation of a vehicle
used for pupil transportation within this state in violation of
the rules of the department of education or the department of
public safety.
(D) The department of public safety shall adopt and
enforce rules relating to the issuance of a license under
section 4511.763 of the Revised Code. The rules may relate to
the moral character of the applicant; the condition of the
equipment to be operated; the liability and property damage
insurance carried by the applicant; the posting of satisfactory
and sufficient bond; and such other rules as the director of
public safety determines reasonably necessary for the safety of
the pupils to be transported.
(E) A chartered nonpublic school may own and operate, or
contract with a vendor that supplies, a vehicle originally
designed for not more than nine passengers, not including the
driver, to transport students to and from regularly scheduled
school sessions when one of the following applies:
(1) A student's school district of residence has declared
the transportation of the student impractical pursuant to
section 3327.02 of the Revised Code; or
(2) A student does not live within thirty minutes of the
chartered nonpublic school and the student's school district is
not required to transport the student under section 3327.01 of
the Revised Code.
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the department of education by rule and that is subject to
Chapter 3301-83 of the Administrative Code.
(G) Except as otherwise provided in this division, whoever
violates this section is guilty of a minor misdemeanor. If the
offender previously has been convicted of or pleaded guilty to
one or more violations of this section or section 4511.63,
4511.761, 4511.762, 4511.764, 4511.77, or 4511.79 of the Revised
Code or a municipal ordinance that is substantially similar to
any of those sections, whoever violates this section is guilty
of a misdemeanor of the fourth degree.
Section 2. That existing sections 4511.751 and 4511.76 of
the Revised Code are hereby repealed.
Section 3. This act shall be known as the School Bus
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[Elizondo]

In a couple hours they went from denying the procedure was even illegal in a godawful red state to the AG announcing an investigation into the doctor live on Fox News.

In other news, your Groomer Thought Leaders just voted down increased penalties for child sex traffickers

[nostalgiaquest]

Best way to reduce abortions is to provide easy access to contraceptives and birth control, as well as comprehensive sexual education that starts early and continues through adolescence. Reduced pregnancy => reduced abortions. It’s pretty well documented across almost every other first world country.

All the religious fanatics who preach abstinence or that “these things should be taught at home” are failing miserably and only contributing to the problem. Just look at teen pregnancy rates all across the south.

Also when is the pro life crowd going to introduce legislation on childcare, maternity and paternity leave, orphanage fundings, and healthcare? Pro life shouldn’t end at birth right?

[Reiwa]

Also when is the pro life crowd going to introduce legislation on childcare, maternity and paternity leave, orphanage fundings, and healthcare? Pro life shouldn’t end at birth right?

https://www.romney.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/family-security-act-2.0_one-pager_appendix.pdf

[Ooloo]

Best way to reduce abortions is to provide easy access to contraceptives and birth control, as well as comprehensive sexual education that starts early and continues through adolescence. Reduced pregnancy => reduced abortions. It’s pretty well documented across almost every other first world country.

All the religious fanatics who preach abstinence or that “these things should be taught at home” are failing miserably and only contributing to the problem. Just look at teen pregnancy rates all across the south.

Also when is the pro life crowd going to introduce legislation on childcare, maternity and paternity leave, orphanage fundings, and healthcare? Pro life shouldn’t end at birth right?

It doesn't follow logically or morally that if a baby cannot receive healthcare after it's born, it should instead be killed. And yes of course fewer pregnancies would mean fewer abortions, why does it have to be one or the other though? How about: don't be an irresponsible dope about sex when you're in no position to raise a child, but also even if you are don't kill your perfectly healthy baby? There are more qualified parents who want to adopt than there are kids put up for adoption. These pro abortion arguments are just really not very convincing, and I used to make all of them myself.

Now I'm pretty pro life and also not even remotely religious.

[nostalgiaquest]

So then you agree with me that better sex education would reduce the number of abortions?

A better educated population, along with better access to contraception and birth control --> less unwanted pregnancies --> less abortions. Regardless of legality. Regardless of political stance. It's basic root cause analysis. I never said it had to be one or the other, you did.

It does follow logically that if you are in fact pro life, that you would also be for things like universal health care and better funding for orphanages and foster homes. After all, all lives matter.

[Jibartik]

Yes I am.

[Rethalis]

Sex Ed is pointless until the idiots go back to teaching only two genders instead of nonsense.

[Mblake1981]

It does follow logically that if you are in fact pro life, that you would also be for things like universal health care and better funding for orphanages and foster homes. After all, all lives matter.

Life has never required money to exist.

Your lifestyles do.

[Rainik Stormseeker]

I would but it looks like it's been stuck in committee since 1/27/21. Presumed to be deceased.

jk im trying to be nicer

As Introduced
134th General Assembly
Regular Session S. B. No. 23
2021-2022
Senator Gavarone
A B I L L ... the School Bus Safety Act. ...

So is this a joke, or..?

[Rainik Stormseeker]

Best way to reduce abortions is to provide easy access to contraceptives and birth control, as well as comprehensive sexual education that starts early and continues through adolescence. Reduced pregnancy => reduced abortions. It’s pretty well documented across almost every other first world country.

All the religious fanatics who preach abstinence or that “these things should be taught at home” are failing miserably and only contributing to the problem. Just look at teen pregnancy rates all across the south.

Also when is the pro life crowd going to introduce legislation on childcare, maternity and paternity leave, orphanage fundings, and healthcare? Pro life shouldn’t end at birth right?

Actually, the best way to reduce abortions.. is to not allow them on-demand/for convenience (99% of abortions) .. that requires unwinding the social distortion caused by years of mass promotion of free on-demand abortions by Planned Parenthood and their cohorts to whom they sell baby body parts "for tEh sCiEnCe" (and new lambos, houses, etc), but that would take ACTUAL hard work, a steady public service announcement campaign to dissuade people from being so casual with their bodies, simultaneously publicly promoting crisis pregnancy clinics and the neonatal and postpartum support they provide, AND .. for corrupt people on the big medical/research end from profiteering from all of it.

The powers that be don't actually want more responsible people and less abortion.. they would lose their gravy train and eugenics wet dreams.

[Reiwa]

So is this a joke, or..?

That's what your link went to. If you know the sponsor I'll look for it in a bit.

[robayon]

Sex Ed is pointless until the idiots go back to teaching only two genders instead of nonsense.Yeah, as we all know, there was not a single teen pregnancy before trans people were a matter of public discourse

Are you an idiot on purpose? Or does it come naturally?

[Rethalis]

Yeah, as we all know, there was not a single teen pregnancy before trans people were a matter of public discourse

Are you an idiot on purpose? Or does it come naturally?

How is one supposed to teach sex Ed when they can't even get the sex right?

[Rethalis]

First, want to die.
Second, burn the constitution.
Third, pray for the bombs to fall.

What any of that has to do with teen pregnancies is beyond me but those are the steps to glory.

Sex and gender is a hiarchy and must be destroyed.

[Horza]

Actually, the best way to reduce abortions.. is to not allow them on-demand/for convenience (99% of abortions) .. that requires unwinding the social distortion caused by years of mass promotion of free on-demand abortions by Planned Parenthood and their cohorts to whom they sell baby body parts "for tEh sCiEnCe" (and new lambos, houses, etc), but that would take ACTUAL hard work, a steady public service announcement campaign to dissuade people from being so casual with their bodies, simultaneously publicly promoting crisis pregnancy clinics and the neonatal and postpartum support they provide, AND .. for corrupt people on the big medical/research end from profiteering from all of it.

The powers that be don't actually want more responsible people and less abortion.. they would lose their gravy train and eugenics wet dreams.

Like I said before, the next step for the religious fanatics running the GOP is a complete national ban on abortion under any circumstances. It sure is going to suck to be a ten year old rape victim then, but you bible thumpers aren't suddenly going to start worrying about the consequences of your backwards ass policies.

[Reiwa]

Here's the gist of it Rainik (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Ohio#:~:text=Current%20Ohio%20Law,-Ohio%20has%20multiple&text=An%20Ohio%20state%20law%20went,to%20possibly% 20have%20down%20syndrome.)

An Ohio state law went into effect July 2019 which makes abortion illegal after the fetus heartbeat can be detected, which usually develops between five or six weeks after conception. No exceptions are made for "hard cases" such as rape, incest, or a fetus determined to possibly have down syndrome.

The only "hard case" exception, according to ORC 2919.193(B),[7] are in cases in which there is a medical emergency, defined in 2919.16(F) & (K): "serious risk of the substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function of the pregnant woman."[8] This does not include potential bodily damage that stems from the woman's mental health.

👆 This is the important part 👆

(B) Division (A) of this section does not apply to a physician who performs or induces the abortion if the physician believes that a medical emergency, as defined in section 2919.16 of the Revised Code, exists that prevents compliance with that division.

Bill here if needed. (https://www.legislature.ohio.gov/legislation/legislation-documents?id=GA133-SB-23)

[Rainik Stormseeker]

blah blah blah word salad blah blah blah unsubstantiated tribalistic fearmongering blah blah blah.

[Reiwa]

It is true that the bill itself does not contain exceptions.

It is more true that exceptions are handled elsewhere in the code.

Free speech is a fun game!

[Rainik Stormseeker]

Here's the gist of it Rainik (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Ohio#:~:text=Current%20Ohio%20Law,-Ohio%20has%20multiple&text=An%20Ohio%20state%20law%20went,to%20possibly% 20have%20down%20syndrome.)



Bill here if needed. (https://www.legislature.ohio.gov/legislation/legislation-documents?id=GA133-SB-23)

Thank you!

I'd say "serious risk of the substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function of the pregnant woman" seems pretty broad, and is certainly justification to perform one for a 10-year old.

But I'll read the full language as well.

EDIT: ffs stupid govt website down again (for me at least)

[Rainik Stormseeker]

hooray

[Reiwa]

Better off just reading the Ohio codes (https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-2919.193) since the bill is from 2019.

Understanding law is like starkind, they make it hard for no reason. :(

[Horza]

Indiana AG has already announced an investigation into the abortion doc, it's going to be a long drive to Canada once you Trumptards manage to install the fat pedophile as president for life and legislate a federal ban.

[Rainik Stormseeker]

Better off just reading the Ohio codes (https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-2919.193) since the bill is from 2019.

Understanding law is like starkind, they make it hard for no reason. :(

Yeah, legislation and contracts can be pitas. I read/interpret contracts for a living, so imho, that exception (also known as a carve-back) could be used to justify an abortion in a 10-year old rape victim. But that's just my $.02

[Horza]

Swalwell: It would not be an abortion if a 10 year old with her parents made the decision not to have a baby that was the result of rape?

Republican Witness: That’s not an abortion. (https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1547607753698394114)

lmao what is it then if not an abortion? You fundamentalists are some nutty motherfuckers.

[Jibartik]

The idea that this country would be able to coexist with each other with a complete abortion ban is nuts.

I dont diasgree there are religious fantatics that want that.

But there is just no way that that would happen short of a civil war and the winner forcing that.

I just dont see the country functioning with that law. The system would shut down.

I wouldnt also be surprised if the plan was to agitate people into a civil war, so they can force it though. But it takes two to tango, so the only way to win is to wait till november and see the blue wave.

[Rainik Stormseeker]

Swalwell

I lol'd

You quoting Chicom compromised Swalwell is rich.

See: Fang Fang

[Horza]

I lol'd

You quoting Chicom compromised Swalwell is rich.

See: Fang Fang

Can someone else who's addicted to Fox News and worships their diaper-wearing messianic figure translate this into English?

Why are you so desperate to change the subject of Schrodinger's abortion?

[Skarne]

I don’t see why you guys even bother at this point. Nobody is winning hearts and minds here.

60 bard lfg

[Jibartik]

It's not about changing minds anymore...

https://www.tiktok.com/@xsk8preligion/video/7118167643537952043?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc&web_id=6960446482491606534

UjvGAYuWSUA

https://i.imgur.com/VELrbwe.png

https://i.imgur.com/faGayfG.png

[Horza]

It's not about changing minds anymore...

https://www.tiktok.com/@xsk8preligion/video/7118167643537952043?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc&web_id=6960446482491606534

UjvGAYuWSUA

https://i.imgur.com/VELrbwe.png

https://i.imgur.com/faGayfG.png

Take your pills before you get committed, Jib.

[Jibartik]

You're trolling so hard that you dont realize Im literally defending your argument right here and you're retort is personal attack?

This is not RNF try to stay on topic. Don't make your reply about me!

[Horza]

Rep. Jim Jordan blames the media for his false, deleted tweet calling a ten year old's abortion a lie: "I was responding to a headline from your profession, the news profession... I doubted Joe Biden, which is usually a smart thing to do." (https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1547626210217234434)

https://i.imgur.com/bCkJpcb.jpg

[Jibartik]

"I was responding to a headline from your profession, the news profession... I doubted Joe Biden, which is usually a smart thing to do."

Great quote!

[Horza]

"I was responding to a headline from your profession, the news profession... I doubted Joe Biden, which is usually a smart thing to do."

Great quote!

Sure, except all you Republican dumbasses were wrong in this case again. Not that it matters to you bible thumping trailer trash.

[Reiwa]

"I was responding to a headline from your profession, the news profession... I doubted Joe Biden, which is usually a smart thing to do."

Great quote!

Jim Jordan is one of the ones Pelosi vetoed. That is generally not how commitee assignments work! Minority gets to pick their own.

[nostalgiaquest]

Actually, the best way to reduce abortions.. is to not allow them on-demand/for convenience (99% of abortions) .. that requires unwinding the social distortion caused by years of mass promotion of free on-demand abortions by Planned Parenthood and their cohorts to whom they sell baby body parts "for tEh sCiEnCe" (and new lambos, houses, etc), but that would take ACTUAL hard work, a steady public service announcement campaign to dissuade people from being so casual with their bodies, simultaneously publicly promoting crisis pregnancy clinics and the neonatal and postpartum support they provide, AND .. for corrupt people on the big medical/research end from profiteering from all of it.

The powers that be don't actually want more responsible people and less abortion.. they would lose their gravy train and eugenics wet dreams.

So basically you’re saying you want better sex education?

[Jibartik]

Sure, except all you Republican dumbasses were wrong in this case again. Not that it matters to you bible thumping trailer trash.

It's psy op.

BhbOEduvA9U

[Horza]

The CIA and the Illuminati are secretly behind everything that makes your favorite pedophile look bad, fucking schizo.

[Jibartik]

Either that or the root of the problem trump was right about.

https://i.imgur.com/hwzn3j6.png

[Horza]

Trump was right about everything and didn't even say he wants to fuck his own daughter. Please take your pills already.

[robayon]

How is one supposed to teach sex Ed when they can't even get the sex right?This sounds like a bizarro universe Derek Zoolander question, so I take it your stupidity comes naturally

[Reiwa]

This sounds like a bizarro universe Derek Zoolander question, so I take it your stupidity comes naturally

i think you teach 'the penis goes in the butt', which is obviously not true. 💯

[Elizondo]

i think you teach 'the penis goes in the butt', which is obviously not true. 💯

07P538K83iU

[Danth]

I don’t see why you guys even bother at this point. Nobody is winning hearts and minds here.

Seems about normal for internet political discussions. It has its uses though; once in awhile someone posts some news item I missed since there are folks here who watch or read sources that I don't.

Danth

[Elizondo]

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[MrSparkle001]

xj69hcP85W4
RbJ0azefrM8

Much better than bowing.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01381/obama_bow_1381505c.jpg

but nowhere near as good as pushing them out of the way and exerting your dominance.

https://i.gifer.com/52h.gif

Didn't Biden villify them not too long ago about about Kahshoggi though? Lol this fucking country.

[Elizondo]

J1HBo_CiHz4

18228

[Horza]

Senate Republicans blocked a bill that would have legally shielded the people who travel across states lines to receive an abortion and the providers who care for those patients. (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/republicans-block-bill-shield-people-travel-state-abortions/story?id=86821057)

There goes another one of your disingenuous arguments, paste eating Trumptards. 205 House Republicans voted against it too.

[Reiwa]

J1HBo_CiHz4


The Saudis were happy to receive him.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18228&d=1657909372


Not so much.

[Jibartik]

Senate Republicans blocked a bill that would have legally shielded the people who travel across states lines to receive an abortion and the providers who care for those patients. (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/republicans-block-bill-shield-people-travel-state-abortions/story?id=86821057)

There goes another one of your disingenuous arguments, paste eating Trumptards. 205 House Republicans voted against it too.

You definitly could be right, could be gilead coming.

[robayon]

The Saudis were happy to receive him.



Not so much.Yeah but the rules they hold Trump to are wildly different than the rules they hold not-Trump to. That is a core, uh, "value" of these sleazebags.

[Jibartik]

lets not pretend that the saudis give a shit who is in the white house come on jack.

[Reiwa]

Yeah but the rules they hold Trump to are wildly different than the rules they hold not-Trump to. That is a core, uh, "value" of these sleazebags.

I'd say it's worse than genuflection if a competitor is pleased to have you. :p

[Jibartik]

xj69hcP85W4

https://i.imgur.com/AihiGgu.png

[Elizondo]

Biden humiliating himself so badly on the world stage right now

Economy crashing, gas prices all time highs, inflation at record numbers. Entire country falling apart and dems running on courting the taco vote and killing babies

So embarrassing

[robayon]

lets not pretend that the saudis give a shit who is in the white house come on jack.Of course not, I'm just pointing out right wing hypocrisy, it's what I do here

America's relationship with the unquantifiable wealth of the Saudi royalty predates either of the modern era senile old men, that cucking started decades ago

[Elizondo]

hey he sold 100 million tones of our oil to china/europe to alleviate gas prices at home.

Enriching his crackhead son

Win Win for The Pete Family

[Jibartik]

Why the US is selling stockpiled oil to China (https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2022/why-is-the-united-states-selling-oil-to-china/)

https://i.imgur.com/EAFzYAD.gif

[Elizondo]

Why the US is selling stockpiled oil to China (https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2022/why-is-the-united-states-selling-oil-to-china/)

https://i.imgur.com/EAFzYAD.gif

China and India are increasing their Fossil Fuel usage while cult Dems are taking us back to the stone age with solar and wind pixie dust (based in junk climate science / Global Warming Hoax)

[robayon]

Why the US is selling stockpiled oil to China (https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2022/why-is-the-united-states-selling-oil-to-china/)

https://i.imgur.com/EAFzYAD.gifAhh, the laws of supply and demand, such efficient resource distribution, amazing job, America

[Jibartik]

Ahh, the laws of supply and demand, such efficient resource distribution, amazing job, America

So you're in support of blackrock, and bush and cheinny and we should be selling our oil reserves for individual profit without any of it going to the tax payers?

Really?

[Reiwa]

So you're in support of blackrock, and bush and cheinny and we should be selling our oil reserves for individual profit without any of it going to the tax payers?

Really?

It goes to the taxpayers in the form of lower gas prices by increasing global supply.

Prots are just having a tantrum.

[Jibartik]

Ok so its the bush + Ayn Rand and Regan that you democrats are into?

There is a 100% chance we're going to invade Iran to stop their WMDs isn't there?

Fuck.

[Reiwa]

Ok so its the bush + Ayn Rand and Regan that you democrats are into?

There is a 100% chance we're going to invade Iran to stop their WMDs isn't there?

Fuck.

Invading Iran is neither here nor there in regard to economic truths.

[Jibartik]

I didn't vote to hold onto these reserves so that we could use them in an emergency, so that some other companies down the road could sell it for profit.

This is outrageous it makes me so sad to think that this country is finished and we're just selling the reserves now for profit what a disaster this generation has caused.

Watch the movie New Order on Hulu. That's our future. Nobody good survives.

[Reiwa]

I didn't vote to hold onto these reserves so that we could use them in an emergency, so that some other companies down the road could sell it for profit.

This is outrageous it makes me so sad to think that this country is finished and we're just selling the reserves now for profit what a disaster this generation has caused.

Watch the movie New Order on Hulu. That's our future. Nobody good survives.

We're on a war footing since 2020. That's the situation the SPR was invented for.

Think smarter, not harder.

[robayon]

So you're in support of blackrock, and bush and cheinny and we should be selling our oil reserves for individual profit without any of it going to the tax payers?

Really?No, I am just wondering when you guys are going to realize that this type of thing is the inevitable consequence of the system you have always supported

All of it, from the gas pump next time you fill up costing $50 of the wages we get that barely allow the masses to subsist to deforestation in Brazil, is the result of unchecked capitalism

This includes the quarter million I'll have to either pay or just declare bankruptcy on and make everyone's rates go up just a little more, compounding the entire problem

[Horza]

I didn't vote to hold onto these reserves so that we could use them in an emergency, so that some other companies down the road could sell it for profit.

This is outrageous it makes me so sad to think that this country is finished and we're just selling the reserves now for profit what a disaster this generation has caused.

Watch the movie New Order on Hulu. That's our future. Nobody good survives.

lmao talking about voting while continuing to openly endorse Trump's attempted coup is pretty fucking rich.

[Jibartik]

We're on a war footing since 2020. That's the situation the SPR was invented for.

Think smarter, not harder.

Its national oil its for US to be secure in war time not to spend it selling for profit.

Whatever enjoy your apocalypse, I will.

[Jibartik]

lmao talking about voting while continuing to openly endorse Trump's attempted coup is pretty fucking rich.

yeah at this point why vote look the democrats are fire selling our national oil while they allow their white rich polticians sons to buy crack and traffic hookers.

The age of voting is coming to an end weather you like it or not. You have one, maybe 2 national elections left before it's all over.

[Reiwa]

yeah at this point why vote look the democrats are fire selling our national oil while they allow their white rich polticians sons to buy crack and traffic hookers.

The age of voting is coming to an end weather you like it or not. You have one, maybe 2 national elections left before it's all over.

China has the refinery capacity, we don't. Maybe talk to the guy that let them shut down? :cool:

[Skarne]

yeah at this point why vote look the democrats are fire selling our national oil while they allow their white rich polticians sons to buy crack and traffic hookers.

The age of voting is coming to an end weather you like it or not. You have one, maybe 2 national elections left before it's all over.

It’s whether* you moron.

[Jibartik]

China has the refinery capacity, we don't. Maybe talk to the guy that let them shut down? :cool:

This is accoding to the very people proffiting off the oil ok and the link i provided so please. If we ceased paying the countries we were at war with for oil, and refined our national oil instead of buying theirs and selling our national oil back to them to refine, we'd be paying a dollar a gallon.

Even if you thought we should use the national oil the way were doing it wastes 90% of their value and provide the tax payer with virtually nothing in return because is what a hard core libertarian that thinks if you built the oil field you own the oil field.

[Horza]

It’s whether* you moron.

Let's not forget about how things turned out the last time these inbred hicks got mad about an election and tried to secede.

[Jibartik]

How can I possibly be the bad guy for saying we're giving free money to the oil companies????

This literally is what every democrat has been campaigning to stop for 30 years what the fuck!?

The only president that ever tried to do this in your lifetime was BUSH! wtf friggen frick!

[Reiwa]

This is accoding to the very people proffiting off the oil ok and the link i provided so please. If we ceased paying the countries we were at war with for oil, and refined our national oil instead of buying theirs and selling our national oil back to them to refine, we'd be paying a dollar a gallon.

Even if you thought we should use the national oil the way were doing it wastes 90% of their value and provide the tax payer with virtually nothing in return because is what a hard core libertarian that thinks if you built the oil field you own the oil field.

https://i.imgur.com/f6U0fbI.jpg

[Jibartik]

https://i.imgur.com/f6U0fbI.jpg

USA

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[Elizondo]

Pathetic libtards actually trying to defend Pedo Pete sellin US Oil Reserves to China and enriching his crackhead son

Comedy Gold

[Jibartik]

Hey they gotta save the planet some how lol now its time for us to hang our heads in shame for all our white privilege of being able to spend 200k to traffic russian hookers and do 100lbs. of crack without getting in trouble.

[hobart]

Pathetic libtards actually trying to defend Pedo Pete sellin US Oil Reserves to China

It's the law you moron. He followed the law.

Why do you hate the law?

[Jibartik]

So are abortions.

[Horza]

It's the law you moron. He followed the law.

Why do you hate the law?

The reality television star pedophile they all worship lost an election so now they desperately want to start a civil war.

[Elizondo]

It's the law you moron. He followed the law.

Why do you hate the law?

Easily the most retarded post ever on elf forums

Biden sold us out and enriched his crackhead son cuz it's the law!

rofl

[Elizondo]

Pedo Pete June 17, 2022 "I'm not going to meet with Saudi Crown Prince MBS."

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[Reiwa]

Easily the most retarded post ever on elf forums

Biden sold us out and enriched his crackhead son cuz it's the law!

rofl

It is the law that it had to be sold to the highest bidder. That just happened to be China.

[Elizondo]

It is the law that it had to be sold to the highest bidder. That just happened to be China.

Strategic oil reserves?

China?

Hunter just happened to profit?

Stop embarrassing yourself. What an idiotic talking point.

[robayon]

It's the law you moron. He followed the law.

Why do you hate the law?Not that I am defending anyone you are responding to or the people that they are referring to

But I hate the law

[Botten]

Pathetic libtards actually trying to defend Pedo Pete sellin US Oil Reserves to China and enriching his crackhead son

Comedy Gold

You moron! Trump did the same thing to try to pay off his debt with his free hand out to the rich and got flack for it too. Trump even sold to China.

Trump To Sell Half The Strategic Petroleum Reserve
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Trump-To-Sell-Half-The-Strategic-Petroleum-Reserve.html

Trump never even filled up the oil reserves
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2022/04/01/no-former-president-trump-did-not-fill-the-strategic-petroleum-reserve/?sh=b72f58368aee

It is like you parrot or barf up misinformation you are fed worse than a mother bird.

[Rainik Stormseeker]

Indiana AG has already announced an investigation into the abortion doc, it's going to be a long drive to Canada once you Trumptards manage to install the fat pedophile as president for life and legislate a federal ban.

Hey moron - they never needed to leave Ohio in the first place (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ohio-ag-clarifies-ohio-abortion-ban-exemptions/ar-AAZAJfn); which was the point of my post-

Originally Posted by Rainik Stormseeker View Post
It seems to me the point of posting the clip was not to say it was an illegal alien who raped and impregnated a 10 year old girl (i.e. that it actually happened vs being a made up story by Biden admin), but in what the first guest stated in that segment - that the Ohio heartbeat (Senate Bill 23) contains a "medical emergency exception that is broader than just the life of the mother", implying it could have been done , and that she WOULDN"T have to leave the state to have an abortion.. isn't that the crux of the argument here?...

the left will politicize EVERYTHING, with this story sketchy from the beginning.

Meanwhile, a poor 10-year old girl was raped (at 9 years old..), and now used a s a political toy.. but her mom claims she's "fine" and the alleged rapist didn't do anything wrong.. wtf is going on here?

[Botten]

Hey moron - they never needed to leave Ohio in the first place (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ohio-ag-clarifies-ohio-abortion-ban-exemptions/ar-AAZAJfn); which was the point of my post-



the left will politicize EVERYTHING, with this story sketchy from the beginning.

Meanwhile, a poor 10-year old girl was raped (at 9 years old..), and now used a s a political toy.. but her mom claims she's "fine" and the alleged rapist didn't do anything wrong.. wtf is going on here?

You sicko how can you sit there saying all live matter when statically pregnant girls at a very young age end up dying along with the child during birth.

It is amazing to hear these stupid Trumptard’s saying they thought it was impossible for a 10 year old raped child to get pregnant. The youngest raped pregnant child was 5 years old!!!

[Horza]

Hey moron - they never needed to leave Ohio in the first place (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ohio-ag-clarifies-ohio-abortion-ban-exemptions/ar-AAZAJfn); which was the point of my post-



the left will politicize EVERYTHING, with this story sketchy from the beginning.

Meanwhile, a poor 10-year old girl was raped (at 9 years old..), and now used a s a political toy.. but her mom claims she's "fine" and the alleged rapist didn't do anything wrong.. wtf is going on here?

Jim Bopp, an Indiana lawyer who authored the model legislation in advance of the Supreme Court’s decision overturning Roe v. Wade, told POLITICO on Thursday that his law only provides exceptions when the pregnant person’s life is in danger.

“Unless her life was at danger, there is no exception for rape,” Bopp said. “We don’t think, as heartwrenching as those circumstances are, we don’t think we should devalue the life of the baby because of the sins of the father.” (https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/14/anti-abotion-10-year-old-ohio-00045843)

rip that abortion doc's career.

[Mblake1981]

Horza is saying that rich guys hiding behind the Republican banner would be out raping women all the time and their kids would be born, because they shouldn't be punished for the Fathers ways. Consider that when you have enough money that your only purpose on Earth is to reproduce (note: money isn't required, ignoring society is. Example: My poor Grandparents pumped out 10 kids, little hellions hardly ever had a doctor. I am only here because of that lack of giving a damn.)

edit: Women are also attracted to large amounts of cash, its a aphrodisiac.

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[Rainik Stormseeker]

You sicko how can you sit there saying all live matter when statically pregnant girls at a very young age end up dying along with the child during birth.

It is amazing to hear these stupid Trumptard’s saying they thought it was impossible for a 10 year old raped child to get pregnant. The youngest raped pregnant child was 5 years old!!!

^ Said/asserted by me never. Nor is any of your word salad relevant to my post, in which I stated the abortion could have been provided to her in Ohio under the Ohio exception. I was merely posting the Ohio AG's confirmation of that.

But that wouldn't have been politically expedient.

Stop moving the goalposts you slimy leftist.

[Horza]

^ Said/asserted by me never. Nor is any of your word salad relevant to my post, in which I stated the abortion could have been provided to her in Ohio under the Ohio exception. I was merely posting the Ohio AG's confirmation of that.

But that wouldn't have been politically expedient.

Stop moving the goalposts you slimy leftist.

You keep saying it could have been provided, but it obviously wasn't as they had to travel all the way to another state. Her life wasn't in immediate danger as required by your idiot Republican laws and there aren't necessarily exceptions for rape (sins of the father blah blah).

Stop lying, GOPtard.

[Reiwa]

rip that abortion doc's career.

HIPAA is a pretty big deal, Adam Schefter notwithstanding.

[Rainik Stormseeker]

You keep saying it could have been provided, but it obviously wasn't as they had to travel all the way to another state. Her life wasn't in immediate danger as required by your idiot Republican laws and there aren't necessarily exceptions for rape (sins of the father blah blah).

Stop lying, GOPtard.

My God you are so naïve.. or obtuse.. or both.

[Horza]

My God you are so naïve.. or obtuse.. or both.

Let me guess, anything that makes bible thumping Trump retards look bad is a psy-op or crisis actors.

[robayon]

the left will politicize EVERYTHING, with this story sketchy from the beginningit's consistently amazing to me the lack of self awareness the daffy chuds on this forum display, regularly

you're accusing "the left" of politicizing everything while politicizing that very same situation in the post where you're criticizing someone for doing the very thing you are doing. absolutely mindless

https://i.imgur.com/TNXNkl3.jpeg

[Jibartik]

You moron! Trump did the same thing to try to pay off his debt with his free hand out to the rich and got flack for it too. Trump even sold to China.

Trump To Sell Half The Strategic Petroleum Reserve
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Trump-To-Sell-Half-The-Strategic-Petroleum-Reserve.html

Trump never even filled up the oil reserves
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2022/04/01/no-former-president-trump-did-not-fill-the-strategic-petroleum-reserve/?sh=b72f58368aee

It is like you parrot or barf up misinformation you are fed worse than a mother bird.

This is a perfect example of the democrat ROT on the left.

YES do you remember when you were against this? Do you remember when we said NO to selling oil? Just like we did during all the presidents leading up to now?

Now suddenly YOU are justifying Biden selling off our oil why the change? Why have you changed your tune?

Don't say its because you want to lower gas prices, because this aint gonna do it bucko, this is gonna continue to pump more of those trillions into the pockets of the lobbyists that the left used to hate.

Why the change? Why big money?

[Reiwa]

it's consistently amazing to me the lack of self awareness the daffy chuds on this forum display, regularly

you're accusing "the left" of politicizing everything while politicizing that very same situation in the post where you're criticizing someone for doing the very thing you are doing. absolutely mindless

https://i.imgur.com/TNXNkl3.jpeg

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[Reiwa]

This is a perfect example of the democrat ROT on the left.

YES do you remember when you were against this? Do you remember when we said NO to selling oil? Just like we did during all the presidents leading up to now?

Now suddenly YOU are justifying Biden selling off our oil why the change? Why have you changed your tune?

Don't say its because you want to lower gas prices, because this aint gonna do it bucko, this is gonna continue to pump more of those trillions into the pockets of the lobbyists that the left used to hate.

Why the change? Why big money?

It's like how we all started out illiterate but got smarter along the way.

[Botten]

This is a perfect example of the democrat ROT on the left.

YES do you remember when you were against this? Do you remember when we said NO to selling oil? Just like we did during all the presidents leading up to now?

Now suddenly YOU are justifying Biden selling off our oil why the change? Why have you changed your tune?

Don't say its because you want to lower gas prices, because this aint gonna do it bucko, this is gonna continue to pump more of those trillions into the pockets of the lobbyists that the left used to hate.

Why the change? Why big money?

It was answering Elizondo’s misinformation post. You are just making it what ever serves your bipolar thought in the moment. Get professional help Jibartik.

[Jibartik]

Im not the one that is trying to justify selling oil by saying you didnt like it when the other guy did it.

Whatever.

6.5 trillion for the 1% in 2021 2022 gonna beat that?

This is sickeneing they are basically stripping the copper wiring out of the country at this point.

I cant believe i was right about the end of the world.

Doesnt gretta thurneburg mean anything to you?!

[Elizondo]

You moron! Trump did the same thing to try to pay off his debt with his free hand out to the rich and got flack for it too. Trump even sold to China.

Trump To Sell Half The Strategic Petroleum Reserve
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Trump-To-Sell-Half-The-Strategic-Petroleum-Reserve.html

Trump never even filled up the oil reserves
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2022/04/01/no-former-president-trump-did-not-fill-the-strategic-petroleum-reserve/?sh=b72f58368aee

It is like you parrot or barf up misinformation you are fed worse than a mother bird.

lol SAD Botten actually sayin Pedo Pete sellin strategic oil reserves to China so his crackhead son could buy more hookers is Trump's fault

lol

[Jibartik]

I dont even believe in climate change and I know why selling our oil reserves is stupid.

[Reiwa]

I dont even believe in climate change and I know why selling our oil reserves is stupid.

Why do you know that?

[Elizondo]

I dont even believe in climate change and I know why selling our oil reserves is stupid.

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[Jibartik]

Haha if climate change is real then we passed the point of no return like 10 or 20 years ago, they said like 50 times leading up to 20 years ago.

So either we're all gonna die or everyone is a liar.

(spoiler both now lol)

[Elizondo]

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2022/07/15/prince-turki-president-biden-is-coming-to-saudi-as-aa-much-diminished-presidenta.html

Prince Turki: Pedo Pete is coming to Saudi as ‘a much diminished president’

Prince Turki Al-Faisal, Saudi Arabia’s former intelligence chief and former ambassador to the United States, says Pedo Pete is coming to Saudi Arabia as “a much diminished president.”

[Reiwa]

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2022/07/15/prince-turki-president-biden-is-coming-to-saudi-as-aa-much-diminished-presidenta.html

So the guy who killed Khashoggi is pleased the guy who said he sucks is unpopular at home?

U n Tromp carrying the Saudis jock. 💯

[Jibartik]

How it started: "Khashoggi was murdered by the order of the crown prince and Ill make it very clear we were gonna make them pay the price and make them the pariah that they are!"

How its going:

https://i.imgur.com/AW002Wn.png

[Elizondo]

So the guy who killed Khashoggi is pleased the guy who said he sucks is unpopular at home?

U n Tromp carrying the Saudis jock. 💯

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[Jibartik]

So far they trying to spin it like: "Them making fun of and disrespecting our guy as he goes in to try to negotiate is a sign he's the right man for the job"

lol

[Jibartik]

Biden tomorrow:

Biden: "so i got us a great deal!"

US: What?!"

Biden: "Well, first off we're gonna be their bitches..."

[Reiwa]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18232&d=1657938837

Excuse me sir this is clearly OC. :p

Maybe Tromp shoulda done something about it? :confused:

[Elizondo]

Excuse me sir this is clearly OC. :p

Maybe Tromp shoulda done something about it? :confused:

He did

It's called Energy Independence

[Jibartik]

He did

It's called Energy Independence

AMEN GOD BLESS AMERICA

https://i.imgur.com/yJ7vH6d.png

[Reiwa]

He did

It's called Energy Independence

Why come you think net exporter means energy independence? :rolleyes:

Is brain bad?

[robayon]

He did

It's called Energy IndependenceBen Shapiro voice: "We live in a society."

[Jibartik]

the democrats proved there is no way to change this country time for a new one!

[Elizondo]

Why come you think net exporter means energy independence? :rolleyes:

Is brain bad?

Simping for Pedo Pete is rotting your brain

What did he do on DAY 1 of his stolen presidency

[Reiwa]

Simping for Pedo Pete is rotting your brain

What did he do on DAY 1 of his stolen presidency

I deny your pivot. versorium negare

Why would being a net exporter of crude oil equate to 'energy independence'?

[Horza]

the democrats proved there is no way to change this country time for a new one!

Remind me how exactly that went for all you trailer trash the last time you tried.

[Elizondo]

I deny your pivot. versorium negare

Why would being a net exporter of crude oil equate to 'energy independence'?

What pivot?

We have all the energy we need under our feet

[Reiwa]

What pivot?

We have all the energy we need under our feet

It means you changed the subject. :p

[Botten]

He did

It's called Energy Independence

More lies.

Trump admin in fact bought more oil from Russia than the Biden admin.

Trump admin bought 796,380 barrels from Russia.
Biden admin bought 496,693 barrels from Russia before a full stop occurred in March of 2022.

U.S. Imports from Russia of Crude Oil and Petroleum Products (Thousand Barrels)

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2016 12K 12K 10K 15K 13K 14K 16K 15K 12K 15K 12K 10K
2017 11K 9K 11K 9K 12K 15K 11K 13K 13K 11K 11K 12K
2018 11K 8K 11K 7K 15K 13K 14K 15K 15K 8K 7K 8K
2019 10K 6K 11K 16K 17K 16K 15K 19K 14K 20K 19K 21K (https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MTTIM_NUS-NRS_1&f=M)

Sorry Elizondo, the Trump admin very very much never made America Energy independent.

Quite fascinating your unwavering support for Trump and the corruption of the Republican party matches your unwillingness to realize Christianity sordid rapport.

[Jibartik]

rump admin bought 796,380 barrels from Russia.
Biden admin bought 496,693 barrels from Russia before a full stop occurred in March of 2022.

to be fair this sounds like biden is on track to buy 2x the oil that trump bought based o those numbers.

[Elizondo]

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/energy-independence-trump/

Trump Just Achieved What Every President Since Nixon Had Promised: Energy Independence

Then President Donald Trump took office and announced a radical departure from 50 years of received energy "wisdom." In a speech to the Energy Department months after taking office, he said that for decades leaders peddled the myth of energy scarcity. Most of it is self-imposed, he said. What the country needs, he said, isn't "alternative" energy, or new austerity measures. It's a government that "promotes energy development." Trump listed actions he was taking to lift federal impediments to energy production.

Lo and behold, Trump was right.

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Libtards are embarrassing themselves so badly simping for kid sniffing loser

[Reiwa]

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/energy-independence-trump/



GvZ2wRqrQ-Y

Libtards are embarrassing themselves so badly simping for kid sniffing loser

The leafs can keep their stinky sour oil. :p

[Jibartik]

https://i.imgur.com/HY0gvHx.png

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[Botten]

Libtards are embarrassing themselves so badly simping for kid sniffing loser

In 2021, the United States exported about 8.63 million b/d of petroleum to 176 countries and 4 U.S. territories. Crude oil exports of about 2.98 million b/d accounted for 35% of total U.S. gross petroleum exports in 2021. The resulting total net petroleum imports (imports minus exports) were about -0.16 million b/d in 2021, which means that the United States was a net petroleum exporter of 0.16 million b/d in 2021.

Why did the cost of gas shoot up... yeah Russian war with Ukraine, reduced refining from the Saudi Aramco (in America - Thanks Jared!)

admittedly this will change for 2022 but we will be on mark once again by 2023 thou

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/03/examining-u-s-energy-independence-claims

[Botten]

AMEN GOD BLESS AMERICA

https://i.imgur.com/yJ7vH6d.png

Trump believed windmills cause cancer,
used a Sharpie to change the path of a hurricane,
autographed Bibles,
saluted a North Korean general
stared into the sun TWICE,
said there were airplanes in the Revolutionary War,
wanted to nuke hurricanes,
and suggested that bleach could cure Covid,

For crying out loud, LOL, the man was the only one to admit he had mini strokes when no one asked.

[Jibartik]

Cant beat em, join em. (https://youtu.be/xN2ZGSX0cIE?t=178)

https://i.imgur.com/nm4e1DI.png

[Horza]

https://i.imgur.com/nm4e1DI.png

I'm not sure that you realize 40k is supposed to be satirical, unmedicated schizo friend.

[Jibartik]

You say as the sound WOOSH goes over your head.

[Elizondo]

In 2021, the United States exported about 8.63 million b/d of petroleum to 176 countries and 4 U.S. territories. Crude oil exports of about 2.98 million b/d accounted for 35% of total U.S. gross petroleum exports in 2021. The resulting total net petroleum imports (imports minus exports) were about -0.16 million b/d in 2021, which means that the United States was a net petroleum exporter of 0.16 million b/d in 2021.

Why did the cost of gas shoot up... yeah Russian war with Ukraine, reduced refining from the Saudi Aramco (in America - Thanks Jared!)

admittedly this will change for 2022 but we will be on mark once again by 2023 thou

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/03/examining-u-s-energy-independence-claims

Sad Botten still trying to push the "Putin Price Hike" nonsense

Sooooo cringe

[Jibartik]

Sad Botten still trying to push the "Putin Price Hike" nonsense

Sooooo cringe

Guy runs a campaign that he will end reliance on fossil fuels and people wonder why gas goes up when he's president.

https://i.imgur.com/RMrocWT.gif

[Botten]

Sad Botten still trying to push the "Putin Price Hike" nonsense

Sooooo cringe

Oh you are just bitter someone again called you out on your misinformation campaign.

Cry me a river, Karenzondo.

[Elizondo]

Oh you are just bitter someone again called you out on your misinformation campaign.

Cry me a river, Karenzondo.

Kraut tries to peddle "Putin Price Hike"

Accuses others of "misinformation"

Comedy ensues

[Jibartik]

Wait botten are you replying on a computer powered by russian gas?

[Kaveh]

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/energy-independence-trump/



GvZ2wRqrQ-Y

Libtards are embarrassing themselves so badly simping for kid sniffing loser

And yet Texas can’t keep the lights on sunshine or snow

SAD BIGLY

Governor hot wheels and Gavin newsom need to get real jobs so that they learn competency based advancement

[Jibartik]

All the oil in the world, but our leaders have the lights turning off.

It's time we hit the reset button boys!

https://i.imgur.com/taauXwk.png

https://i.imgur.com/MhduLH0.gif

[robayon]

I'm surprised the Trump fans here aren't gibbering insanely about Ivana's "accidental" death from, apparently, blunt force impact injuries to the torso

[Rainik Stormseeker]

Let me guess, anything that makes bible thumping Trump retards look bad is a psy-op or crisis actors.

No, it's that you just gobble up the mainstream narrative that she "had to travel all the way to another state"

Do you know that for a fact? Did her mom even try to see an Ohio abortionist? Why is her mom claiming the alleged rapist didn't do anything he was accused of doing? Why was she raped t 9 years old and no police report filed? Why didn't ANY of the abortionists involved report the rape?

95% of the time you opine (see: spew word salad vomit chunks) all over the boards, but haven't done any critical thinking or research.

[Jibartik]

Did her mom even try to see an Ohio abortionist?

https://i.imgur.com/6QyWums.png

[Reiwa]

https://i.imgur.com/6QyWums.png

Yeah this took a really dark turn. :(

[Jibartik]

Yeah this took a really dark turn. :(

Well, it is the tribulation. :o

[Horza]

No, it's that you just gobble up the mainstream narrative that she "had to travel all the way to another state"

Do you know that for a fact? Did her mom even try to see an Ohio abortionist? Why is her mom claiming the alleged rapist didn't do anything he was accused of doing? Why was she raped t 9 years old and no police report filed? Why didn't ANY of the abortionists involved report the rape?

95% of the time you opine (see: spew word salad vomit chunks) all over the boards, but haven't done any critical thinking or research.

Bible thumping GOPtard thinks anything that reflects poorly on the party is a ploy by dastardly journalists to make his favorite pedo look bad.

[Elizondo]

Prolly a Psy Op to push some silly libtard narrative

Horza wants that 10 year old raped and impregnated by an illegal alien so badly

[Horza]

More crisis actors and shapeshifting reptilian Freemasons no doubt.

[Elizondo]

More crisis actors and shapeshifting reptilian Freemasons no doubt.

You are probably kneeling in prayer to Moloch every night for the story to be true

No doubt

[robayon]

You are probably kneeling in prayer to Moloch every night for the story to be true

No doubti kinda wonder how many bumper stickers you have on your car, since your posts here are so consistently vomited from the desperate cringe factory

[Rainik Stormseeker]

/vomits word salad of ignorance

I present facts and critical questions..

Originally Posted by Rainik Stormseeker View Post
No, it's that you just gobble up the mainstream narrative that she "had to travel all the way to another state"

Do you know that for a fact? Did her mom even try to see an Ohio abortionist? Why is her mom claiming the alleged rapist didn't do anything he was accused of doing? Why was she raped t 9 years old and no police report filed? Why didn't ANY of the abortionists involved report the rape?

95% of the time you opine (see: spew word salad vomit chunks) all over the boards, but haven't done any critical thinking or research.

And you be like this 100% of the time...

Bible thumping GOPtard

or

Bible thumping Trumptard

you're just a useless sack of demagoguery.

[Horza]

I present facts and critical questions..



And you be like this 100% of the time...



or



you're just a useless sack of demagoguery.

Trumptard, GOPtard, paste eating dumbass, whatever you prefer, the important thing is your guy lost to Sleepy Joe.

[Jibartik]

Bible thumping GOPtard thinks anything that reflects poorly on the party is a ploy by dastardly journalists to make his favorite pedo look bad.

https://i.imgur.com/TGs8Gft.png

[hobart]

Now suddenly YOU are justifying Biden selling off our oil why the change? Why have you changed your tune?


There's no change in tune? China has "good standing" in terms of purchasing our oil reserves and has had that status continuously for a long time -- at least as far back as Obama.

Why was Trump so weak on China that he didn't take away that good status? Or maybe he can't do it that easily -- I don't know.

Would I like to see that status taken away? Yes, obviously.

But I won't shit on any president, including Trump, for following the law.

[Elizondo]

There's no change in tune? China has "good standing" in terms of purchasing our oil reserves and has had that status continuously for a long time -- at least as far back as Obama.

Why was Trump so weak on China that he didn't take away that good status? Or maybe he can't do it that easily -- I don't know.

Would I like to see that status taken away? Yes, obviously.

But I won't shit on any president, including Trump, for following the law.

Bro Trump put tariffs on China that Pedo Pete wants to remove

WTF are you talking about?

[Rainik Stormseeker]

Bro Trump put tariffs on China that Pedo Pete wants to remove

WTF are you talking about?

[Reiwa]

This is getting out of hand; now there are two of them! (https://www.foxnews.com/sports/yale-iszac-henig-ivy-league-championship-50-free)

[Kaveh]

Bro Trump put tariffs on China that Pedo Pete wants to remove

WTF are you talking about?

And yet you complain about inflation, LOL

you are so very clueless. You get a girlfriend yet?

[Rethalis]

This is getting out of hand; now there are two of them! (https://www.foxnews.com/sports/yale-iszac-henig-ivy-league-championship-50-free)

Has he reduced his testosterone to a magical number that transforms him into a capable pregnant person yet?

[robayon]

Has he reduced his testosterone to a magical number that transforms him into a capable pregnant person yet?you have the freedom to waste your own time if you wish, it's your time on earth. i mean, it's freedom of choice for this person, and you don't have to like it, but you do have to protect the ability to choose.

seriously, find something better to complain about. at least gas prices are pertinent to the majority of americans.

[Reiwa]

Has he reduced his testosterone to a magical number that transforms him into a capable pregnant person yet?

That's not what happens but yes he can get prengant.

[Elizondo]

And yet you complain about inflation, LOL

you are so very clueless. You get a girlfriend yet?

Inflation caused by tariffs?

lol

[robayon]

Inflation caused by tariffs?

lolhave you ever taken an economics class big guy

[Reiwa]

Inflation caused by tariffs?

lol

Are tariffs deflationary? Less money in the economy? Is thing good thing?

[Rethalis]

you have the freedom to waste your own time if you wish, it's your time on earth. i mean, it's freedom of choice for this person, and you don't have to like it, but you do have to protect the ability to choose.

seriously, find something better to complain about. at least gas prices are pertinent to the majority of americans.

He can go choose to swim with the men. Easy.

[robayon]

He can go choose to swim with the men. Easy.what an elegant solution, it's almost like you didn't need to post about that meaningless shit in the first place

pretty sure nobody here is that person

[Rethalis]

what an elegant solution, it's almost like you didn't need to post about that meaningless shit in the first place

pretty sure nobody here is that person

it is meaningless until the terfs rise up and take the mantle of fascist feminism

[robayon]

it is meaningless until the terfs rise up and take the mantle of fascist feminismi'm not going to police feminism, but i have doubts they represent a majority within feminism. i'll worry about that day when every starbucks on earth closes, then it might happen. the march of the karens. actually, maybe with all the union drives that's what the pendulum swinging the other way looks like.

edit: lattenacht

[Rethalis]

i'm not going to police feminism, but i have doubts they represent a majority within feminism. i'll worry about that day when every starbucks on earth closes, then it might happen. the march of the karens. actually, maybe with all the union drives that's what the pendulum swinging the other way looks like.

edit: lattenacht

I am predicting a media headline.

Its up to the women, if men keep competing, and it becomes prevalent enough. I do think women will push back and not compete. Then they will be chastised and destroyed.

[Reiwa]

I am predicting a media headline.

Its up to the women, if men keep competing, and it becomes prevalent enough. I do think women will push back and not compete. Then they will be chastised and destroyed.

you're an idiot

[robayon]

I am predicting a media headline.

Its up to the women, if men keep competing, and it becomes prevalent enough. I do think women will push back and not compete. Then they will be chastised and destroyed.well i don't know about you, but i don't want women destroyed. i like women. a sausage fest planet would not last long. x: the last woman would be a very different story.

i recall someone saying on this board a few months ago that women don't deserve equal pay in professional sports for the sheer fact that the sports are usually unpopular and don't bring in the dump trucks full of cash that certain men's sports always have. supply and demand, right?

makes you wonder if there's some kind of group out there that has an anti-woman agenda and attacks them from every possible angle. gosh, i wonder about that one. who could it possibly be that does this. who could possibly benefit from subjugating half of the species. i wonder if women are happy that their freedom to choose has been taken from them in america.

let's put it to a national referendum beneath abortion rights, if it's up to the women. oh, they can choose this issue but not that one?

damn, the sliding scale of justice has struck again.

[Rethalis]

you're an idiot

thats uh, like your opinion. You have not lived my truth to make that claim.

[Rethalis]

well i don't know about you, but i don't want women destroyed. i like women. a sausage fest planet would not last long. x: the last woman would be a very different story.

i recall someone saying on this board a few months ago that women don't deserve equal pay in professional sports for the sheer fact that the sports are usually unpopular and don't bring in the dump trucks full of cash that certain men's sports always have. supply and demand, right?

makes you wonder if there's some kind of group out there that has an anti-woman agenda and attacks them from every possible angle. gosh, i wonder about that one. who could it possibly be that does this. who could possibly benefit from subjugating half of the species. i wonder if women are happy that their freedom to choose has been taken from them in america.

let's put it to a national referendum beneath abortion rights, if it's up to the women. oh, they can choose this issue but not that one?

damn, the sliding scale of justice has struck again.

not really seeing the connection between women protesting men competing in women sports and murdering babies for convenience.

I wonder if women can vote in their own state on these issues???

[robayon]

not really seeing the connection between women protesting men competing in women sports and murdering babies for convenience.

I wonder if women can vote in their own state on these issues???whew, good thing it's free to move between states for all women everywhere, then! wait, it's not?! damn, that basically amounts to eugenics!

there may be a reason you're not seeing the connections between things. like reiwa said.

[Reiwa]

thats uh, like your opinion. You have not lived my truth to make that claim.

Is that a fact? (https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/77df4367-42ed-441a-a50f-ce6d1a692268)

[Rethalis]

Is that a fact? (https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/77df4367-42ed-441a-a50f-ce6d1a692268)

I just feel it is true in my head so it must be a fact. Right?

[Rethalis]

whew, good thing it's free to move between states for all women everywhere, then! wait, it's not?! damn, that basically amounts to eugenics!

there may be a reason you're not seeing the connections between things. like reiwa said.

that is quite the line from a so-called anarchist.

They can choose not to get pregnant too. (here comes some wacko to use the rape card to justify mindless killing)

I will gladly take up the moniker of biggest idiot in the world before forcing myself to accept the lies that men can become women, vise-versa and abortion should be some sacred right.

“Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.”

― George Orwell

[Mblake1981]

And yet you complain about inflation, LOL

you are so very clueless. You get a girlfriend yet?

Manufacturing sent overseas to spread democracy and to have greater monetary returns. More freedom for some, arguably less for others. But umm, as his been displayed more than once, Pat doesn't consider them since he isn't from here. In fact, he actively hates on them for sport.

Global Demographics for the $$$$$

I wonder what 50 years from now will look like when only the Global Gov has guns and beings practicing eugenics. Maybe having enough $$$$$ can buy you in, say $50 million at least, right? Edit: Didn't adjust for Bidinflation, so probably close to $500 million by them for base entry.

Edit: Manufacturing comes back, foreign owned. "Share the prize" as they say. America strapped, openly on mainstreets, to the yoke of Global socialism and it's communistic ways. Anal eaze manufacturing becomes a big deal here. Diehard aryans rejoice in the open displays of love. Meanwhile hillbilly yokels who could survive without lattes watch from the hills, silently judging them. They didn't burn the constitution but all the same, they also wish for the bombs to fall. It's a terrible thing.

https://i.imgur.com/vImdein.jpg

[Horza]

that is quite the line from a so-called anarchist.

They can choose not to get pregnant too. (here comes some wacko to use the rape card to justify mindless killing)

I will gladly take up the moniker of biggest idiot in the world before forcing myself to accept the lies that men can become women, vise-versa and abortion should be some sacred right.

“Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.”

― George Orwell

Wackos using the rape card is one way to say that you religious extremists have zero empathy for child rape victims. Biggest idiot in the world might actually fit if you flyover state retards didn't number in the millions.

[Rethalis]

Wackos using the rape card is one way to say that you religious extremists have zero empathy for child rape victims, biggest idiot in the world might actually fit if you flyover state retards didn't number in the millions.

glad you like it, im sure your capacity for empathy is much greater than everybody else.

[Horza]

glad you like it, im sure your capacity for empathy is much greater than everybody else.

Totally normal to force a ten year old rape victim to cross state lines into Indiana, who are calling a special session of the state legislature to make sure it doesn't happen again.

[Danth]

I will gladly take up the moniker of biggest idiot in the world before forcing myself to accept the lies that men can become women, vise-versa and abortion should be some sacred right.

"Sacred right" is too strong a term, but I don't lose any sleep over it being a protected elective. If you want to convince me to side differently (and you could--I'm a man so it doesn't affect me and I do not feel super strongly) you'll need to use some argument not inspired directly or indirectly by religion. I do not regard all potential life as some sort of invaluable treasure and hence I'm content to leave such things up to the woman.

-----------------------------------------------

I wonder what 50 years from now will look like when only the Global Gov has guns and beings practicing eugenics.

If you accept unlimited greed, then you should accept that their ultimate goal is the extermination of 90% or more of humanity. Some folks openly admit to such aims. Eugenics, at least compulsory, in the manner of 1950's/1960's dystopian sci-fi won't be necessary in a world where the worker caste of humans can simply be replaced by robots and automation instead. Even without the eugenics our society is going to have a hard enough time adapting to the large majority of present workers suddenly being rendered surplus. It's coming, be it in ten years, fifty, or a hundred.

Danth

[Rethalis]

Totally normal to force a ten year old rape victim to cross state lines into Indiana, who are calling a special session of the state legislature to make sure it doesn't happen again.


I don't vote in Indiana or Ohio. Take it up with them.

[Horza]

I don't vote in Indiana or Ohio. Take it up with them.

All you bible thumping trailer trash sound the same to me.

[Mblake1981]

All you bible thumping trailer trash sound the same to me.

Because you are screaming from the trailer two rows down from here. Take your pills, lunatic. If you wake up that animu-tranny again so help me God I will fill your belly with rock salt from hell itself then do the same to "it". I am sick of that thing crawling through my garbage cans at night, You hear me!? looking through my trailer windows with a joker grin.. Jesus Christ that face! You just go on and be the straw that brakes the mules back, Horza, go on do it!

https://i.imgur.com/v92n3bJ.jpg?1

[Rethalis]

"Sacred right" is too strong a term, but I don't lose any sleep over it being a protected elective. If you want to convince me to side differently (and you could--I'm a man so it doesn't affect me and I do not feel super strongly) you'll need to use some argument not inspired directly or indirectly by religion. I do not regard all potential life as some sort of invaluable treasure and hence I'm content to leave such things up to the woman.
Danth

I used sacred specifically as the bill of rights and constitution is very highly regarded or exalted so much to be almost religious in and of itself when discussing enumerated rights. Satanism is worship of the self. There is no act more selfish than killing your own child to make your life easier.

You are technically correct. Secular right just doesn't have that zing though.


Have you truly thought about it though?

You were a child in the womb once.

It becomes a human at the moment of conception, dna that is uniquely their own. Self replicating cells proving it is alive.

Is it a question of potential value? How easy is it to say out loud "there is no immediate value in this unborn human, flush it down the toilet" Say it out loud, I'm willing to bet it feels wrong to say.

Is the value of the stem cells more important than the potential value the child could bring? Will that child have more value to their family, friends, neighborhood than some NBA star getting his knees fixed over in france?


There is no good justification for abortion on demand. Its all predicated on the minority of fringe cases to justify abortion for convenience.

Are you truly just OK with abortion just because?

[Rethalis]

All you bible thumping trailer trash sound the same to me.

You should write your house rep about how the bible thumping Trailor trash are trying to take away your abortions and demand action.

[robayon]

that is quite the line from a so-called anarchist.

They can choose not to get pregnant too. (here comes some wacko to use the rape card to justify mindless killing)

I will gladly take up the moniker of biggest idiot in the world before forcing myself to accept the lies that men can become women, vise-versa and abortion should be some sacred right. not surprising, considering how poorly you understand so many other things that you'd misunderstand something as slippery as anarchy. yes, i believe you have the right to choose to be opposed to trans people i guess, it just seems like a stupid hill to die on. it's like being opposed to rocks, something that just... exists whether you like it or not.

you can't choose pregnancy, you can choose not to have sex. don't put the cart before the horse. this is all about leaving all options on the table. the abortions happen, legal or not. only safe abortions are outlawed in the states that outlaw them. that's also why i know the christofascist right will go for a national ban as soon as they can.

the right supports all kinds of other shit that both prevents potential people from existing and kills existing children. all kinds of mindless killing, as you said. but that's all okay, somehow. it maintains the hierarchy they benefit from. that's all moral but the right to choose to terminate a pregnancy is apparently immoral. the sliding scale of conservative morals. yet again.

both sets of contradictory positions accomplish a single goal: they maintain the hierarchy that the white supremacist right benefits from. every conservative position boils down to maintaining that hierarchy: the status quo.

if i had a dime for every time i've run into you guys saying shit that is easily disproven by the other things you say you believe, i wouldn't need to worry about the colossal hospital bills coming my way in a few months.

[Jibartik]

Why do you know that?

Because we're not a socialist country so it would turn America into blade runner.

Its like the plot to The Boys, but with an economy instead of super powers.

Only the people should have that kind of wealth but they'd make it so only a few people had all of it.

[Danth]

Are you truly just OK with abortion just because?

More or less, yeah. I have no particular personal issue with a parent terminating an unwanted pregnancy for whatever reason. Talking about things like satanism will fall on deaf ears so save the effort, but I'm open to logical discussions if you want to take that route. I don't feel particularly strongly about it, unlike apparently most people, so you can actually engage me in that discussion without it turning into a flame-war if you wish.

Danth

[robayon]

More or less, yeah. I have no particular personal issue with a parent terminating an unwanted pregnancy for whatever reason. Talking about things like satanism will fall on deaf ears so save the effort, but I'm open to logical discussions if you want to take that route. I don't feel particularly strongly about it, unlike apparently most people, so you can actually engage me in that discussion without it turning into a flame-war if you wish.

Danthbill burr also holds this position according to his latest standup act, the live at red rocks one.

[Rethalis]

not surprising, considering how poorly you understand so many other things that you'd misunderstand something as slippery as anarchy. yes, i believe you have the right to choose to be opposed to trans people i guess, it just seems like a stupid hill to die on. it's like being opposed to rocks, something that just... exists whether you like it or not.

you can't choose pregnancy, you can choose not to have sex. don't put the cart before the horse. this is all about leaving all options on the table. the abortions happen, legal or not. only safe abortions are outlawed in the states that outlaw them. that's also why i know the christofascist right will go for a national ban as soon as they can.

the right supports all kinds of other shit that both prevents potential people from existing and kills existing children. all kinds of mindless killing, as you said. but that's all okay, somehow. it maintains the hierarchy they benefit from. that's all moral but the right to choose to terminate a pregnancy is apparently immoral. the sliding scale of conservative morals. yet again.

both sets of contradictory positions accomplish a single goal: they maintain the hierarchy that the white supremacist right benefits from. every conservative position boils down to maintaining that hierarchy: the status quo.

if i had a dime for every time i've run into you guys saying shit that is easily disproven by the other things you say you believe, i wouldn't need to worry about the colossal hospital bills coming my way in a few months.

I have heard your argument a million times, not just from you. No matter what action one takes, someone will suffer somewhere so you can't take a position on anything at all ever unless you join the revolution and bring down all the hierarchy's.

History has shown there was always nations that were super powers, always struggling for dominance. I will gladly suppport USA, the second greatest document in human history, the best country humanity has ever seen. Because there will always be a super power, I will gladly support a world led by the USA rather than alternatives.

I don't believe for a second you and your ilk and what you wish for will be any better than what is had now. What is going to keep those same hierarchies from popping up again? Are you going to stamp it down, with the same fascist conviction that you despise?

God commanding you to leave grapes on the vine, is very different than a government putting a gun to you head and taking them.

[Reiwa]

bill burr also holds this position according to his latest standup act, the live at red rocks one.

And Richard Burr supports a child tax credit. (https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-tax/romney-child-tax-credit-proposal-is-step-forward-but-falls-short-targets-low)

Probably his dad. Lol.

[Danth]

bill burr also holds this position according to his latest standup act, the live at red rocks one.

As an aside, how do you reconcile your anarchist preference with tragedy of the commons-type situations that humans are all so prone to? Do you regard it as an unattainable ideal? Humans tend to be pretty greedy creatures, after all. I'm curious as to how you'd want to see it work if put into practice without society devolving into famine and shortage. Direct response or PM is fine (admittedly it's off the present track) but I am curious about how you would handle those problems.

[robayon]

guess you missed the communist part of anarcho-communist. big emphasis on the commune aspect.

you're criticizing potentials, things that don't exist that i'd like to see exist, things that have never existed before. trying something new that hasn't been tried at scale. i'm criticizing existing structures. that's not a real rebuttal. your positions are still at odds with one another. you're still a hypocrite. you're still supporting one set of dead babies and opposing another. i'm opposing them all.

you lack the ability to dream and you're mad at me about it.

[Jibartik]

More or less, yeah. I have no particular personal issue with a parent terminating an unwanted pregnancy for whatever reason. Talking about things like satanism will fall on deaf ears so save the effort, but I'm open to logical discussions if you want to take that route. I don't feel particularly strongly about it, unlike apparently most people, so you can actually engage me in that discussion without it turning into a flame-war if you wish.

Danth

I dont think anyone who supports abortion, thinks that they want to encourage people to get abortions. I think most people just think that there are a lot of people that might need an abortion for some reason (and sure for rape/health that's ok for me but that's not my point).

But what I have learned is that people dont follow examples, they take the easiest solution every time. We're like rats in a maze, not above that, just in it, and we will take the path of least resistance every time.

And so there are a lot of things that we should just prevent ourselves form doing. Taking our pricks out like a monkey in front of people at a zoo and wack'n it, for example. Sure we mostly all agree that's wrong, and so we completely shut that behavior down, and it doesnt happen all that often.

But the second you dont tell people not to do that, and you just let them, I promise you downtown will have someone wacking it every single direction you look. Just look at San Francisco.

The point that I am making is that sure, it seems like it'd be great to go all natural and let people be who they want to be, and do what they want to do. But we;re just animals, and if you want to live in a society, you have to have rules. And I think that this rule, encourages bad behavior more than it causes problems. Because the more problems you try to solve with it, the more extremely bad you become.

[Danth]

...

Dunno why you think I'm "mad" for asking a couple of good-faith questions. I appreciate the ideal of your brand of communism, but dreams aside I see no good way to make it work in actual practice, is why I ask. I assume you've given the matter some considerable thought so you must have some ideas to that effect.

Danth

[Rethalis]

Dunno why you think I'm "mad" for asking a couple of good-faith questions. I appreciate the ideal of your brand of communism, but dreams aside I see no good way to make it work in actual practice, is why I ask. I assume you've given the matter some considerable thought so you must have some ideas to that effect.

Danth

pretty sure he was talking to me.

[Rethalis]

guess you missed the communist part of anarcho-communist. big emphasis on the commune aspect.

you're criticizing potentials, things that don't exist that i'd like to see exist, things that have never existed before. trying something new that hasn't been tried at scale. i'm criticizing existing structures. that's not a real rebuttal. your positions are still at odds with one another. you're still a hypocrite. you're still supporting one set of dead babies and opposing another. i'm opposing them all.

you lack the ability to dream and you're mad at me about it.

Your right, it is potential. Your revolution is not born out of empathy for dead babies. You have so much hate for human hierarchies, things that people naturally do. Its perfectly logical for me be extremely skeptical of people who can only view the world through opression and victimhood.

[robayon]

pretty sure he was talking to me.this is correct, i was not saying Danth was mad, Danth is nice.

[Danth]

this is correct, i was not saying Danth was mad, Danth is nice.

Gotcha. Thanks. I had to edit my own post with your name in quotes just because there was another reply in the middle of it.

[Jibartik]

Ever wonder if the system of goverment that comes from a country that brutalizes people to conquer them with a military that has virtually no structure so it ends up mass killing civilians on a historically, and currently unprecedented scale like maybe the guys from that part of the world that came up with communism were maybe just a little bit off their friggen rockers?

[Reiwa]

Ever wonder if the system of goverment that comes from a country that brutalizes people to conquer them with a military that has virtually no structure so it ends up mass killing civilians on a historically, and currently unprecedented scale like maybe the guys from that part of the world that came up with communism were maybe just a little bit off their friggen rockers?

Communism is from Germany. Most of this crap is.

We need a solution.

[Horza]

Because you are screaming from the trailer two rows down from here. Take your pills, lunatic. If you wake up that animu-tranny again so help me God I will fill your belly with rock salt from hell itself then do the same to "it". I am sick of that thing crawling through my garbage cans at night, You hear me!? looking through my trailer windows with a joker grin.. Jesus Christ that face! You just go on and be the straw that brakes the mules back, Horza, go on do it!

https://i.imgur.com/v92n3bJ.jpg?1

Living in a shitty flyover state must be really fucking rough if all you yokels are this wound up.

[robayon]

Your right, it is potential. Your revolution is not born out of empathy for dead babies. You have so much hate for human hierarchies, things that people naturally do. Its perfectly logical for me be extremely skeptical of people who can only view the world through opression and victimhood.turn this statement upside down.

you're protecting those hierarchies because you believe that hierarchies are natural. yes, hierarchies probably existed before even language did, i understand power. you're saying oppression and victimhood are necessary for human survival, in essence. that i reject.

i believe that what you're referring to here as it were 'human nature' are actually simply... values, or power relationships or something. and those values are derived from concepts like abundance and scarcity. i believe we should be working to eliminate scarcity. we are not doing that. scarcity creates hierarchies. can you name a society that has not experienced scarcity at some point? i can't.

have a dream. utopia isn't an attainable goal, it's an aspirational goal. obviously no resource is infinite, but we sure treat the earth that way under the hierarchy you're defending here.

i realize that part of the capitalist hegemony's use of power is to stomp out the ability to dream of something better than capitalism, that's precisely what they want you to fail to do. which is also precisely why i think we should do it. additionally, it's why they've conditioned americans especially to knee-jerk react negatively to socialism, despite incorporating some aspects of it into american capitalism. i say if we can't overthrow capitalism, then at least incorporate more aspects of socialism into it. at least that will keep the ship floating for a little while longer. i mean, it's still sinking, but... doing nothing certainly isn't acceptable.

unfortunately, doing nothing is precisely what conservatives want us all to do.

[Jibartik]

Communism is from Germany. Most of this crap is.

We need a solution.

they make great cars but idk about their governance.

[Rethalis]

Communism is from Germany.

Nazisim and communisim and holy roman empire. Germany is the worst country to exist in humanity.

[robayon]

Living in a shitty flyover state must be really fucking rough if all you yokels are this wound up.textbook classism, do better. no, i can't afford to leave. if anyone in, like, new england wants to trade houses with me and come live in a red county in a red state i'm willing to have a discussion.

[Jibartik]

foreal foreal

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[Horza]

textbook classism, do better. no, i can't afford to leave. if anyone in, like, new england wants to trade houses with me and come live in a red county in a red state i'm willing to have a discussion.

Even the deepest Southern towns have a Methodist church or something else less screamy about whatever was on Tucker the day before.

[robayon]

Even the deepest Southern towns have a Methodist church or something else less screamy about whatever was on Tucker the day before.conservative hegemony is real. there's a big schism in methodist churches here in georgia over... you guessed it... the united methodist church doesn't hate gay people enough for some methodist churches. and the UMC ones are just mopey about it, they largely seem afraid to alienate right-wing members by taking the explicitly progressive stances their ancestors did on issues like slavery. we did try a methodist church after we moved and did some church shopping, it was kind of a letdown. not outright hateful, but kind of spineless and middle-of-the-road.

https://patch.com/georgia/atlanta/70-georgia-churches-leave-united-methodist-church

[Rethalis]

turn this statement upside down.

you're protecting those hierarchies because you believe that hierarchies are natural. yes, hierarchies probably existed before even language did, i understand power. you're saying oppression and victimhood are necessary for human survival, in essence. that i reject.

i believe that what you're referring to here as it were 'human nature' are actually simply... values, or power relationships or something. and those values are derived from concepts like abundance and scarcity. i believe we should be working to eliminate scarcity. we are not doing that. scarcity creates hierarchies. can you name a society that has not experienced scarcity at some point? i can't.

have a dream. utopia isn't an attainable goal, it's an aspirational goal. obviously no resource is infinite, but we sure treat the earth that way under the hierarchy you're defending here.

i realize that part of the capitalist hegemony's use of power is to stomp out the ability to dream of something better than capitalism, that's precisely what they want you to fail to do. which is also precisely why i think we should do it. additionally, it's why they've conditioned americans especially to knee-jerk react negatively to socialism, despite incorporating some aspects of it into american capitalism. i say if we can't overthrow capitalism, then at least incorporate more aspects of socialism into it. at least that will keep the ship floating for a little while longer. i mean, it's still sinking, but... doing nothing certainly isn't acceptable.

unfortunately, doing nothing is precisely what conservatives want us all to do.

The entire story of humanity is built within struggle and suffering. The essence of a human is to suffer and understand what it means and then to try to attain something better. Israel means literally "struggle with God" in Yiddish. Every religion is based around this essence. So I do dream and aspire, just not through the revolution that you suggest. It will only bring more suffering and misery than what was perceived we had.

Capitalism with all of its flaws is a heck of a lot better than anything that was before. People get to chase their money.

How would the system work when public projects are required to be done by volunteer only? How would we make something happen like the internet and keep the servers and utilities to keep them running?

The money incentive is there to get stuff built and get stuff done. The alternate would be forced labor. As it always was before capitalism. Sure I guess there was grain and food incentive in some nations but always supplemented with slaves for public works projects.

Capitalism also moves those scarcities around a lot better and more efficiently than any other system.

until EVERYBODY can turn off their own human greed there will be no better system than capitalism.

As far as the earth goes, I am hopeful that human technology fueled by capitalism will hit a critical mass before the so called runaway global warming. I am skeptical of 8 billion people working together of their own volition to bring peace and harmony.

Best thing is to start to cultivate your own garden.

[Elizondo]

The entire story of humanity is built within struggle and suffering. The essence of a human is to suffer and understand what it means and then to try to attain something better. Israel means literally "struggle with God" in Yiddish. Every religion is based around this essence. So I do dream and aspire, just not through the revolution that you suggest. It will only bring more suffering and misery than what was perceived we had.

Capitalism with all of its flaws is a heck of a lot better than anything that was before. People get to chase their money.

How would the system work when public projects are required to be done by volunteer only? How would we make something happen like the internet and keep the servers and utilities to keep them running?

The money incentive is there to get stuff built and get stuff done. The alternate would be forced labor. As it always was before capitalism. Sure I guess there was grain and food incentive in some nations but always supplemented with slaves for public works projects.

Capitalism also moves those scarcities around a lot better and more efficiently than any other system.

until EVERYBODY can turn off their own human greed there will be no better system than capitalism.

As far as the earth goes, I am hopeful that human technology fueled by capitalism will hit a critical mass before the so called runaway global warming. I am skeptical of 8 billion people working together of their own volition to bring peace and harmony.

Best thing is to start to cultivate your own garden.

Capitalism is awesome when Democrats don't control The Economy

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https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-adult-children-testimony-postponed-light-ivana-trump-death-2022-07-15/

She "fell" down the stairs. MmhMm.

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Capitalism also moves those scarcities around a lot better and more efficiently than any other system.

until EVERYBODY can turn off their own human greed there will be no better system than capitalism. you realize i currently live in a hospital and will likely be getting a bill for about a quarter million dollars for this, which would be nearly free in the UK, which is also a capitalist country. to me as an individual anyways.

yeah and let's also look at covid and the USA's absolute botch at handling that in which we learned precisely nothing.

and the 20 million or so each year who starve or die of malnourishment. this also ignores the millions more who die in forced labor to keep our goods cheap in the west.

zany. your standards need work. maybe you'll take these issues seriously when they actually effect you or your loved ones.