the i dont care about politics anymore thread

[Ekco]

I know you guys think you are "the good kind" of racists, but the boot still fits.

it's a taught behavior, but they used to teach to hide it better also though

[Elizondo]

This is the guy who doesn't understand how Biden got more voters than any candidate before him (i.e. doesn't get population growth).

Biden won only half the counties Obama did you bug eating Groomer

Nice try tho

[Ekco]

All these years later and I still dont know what a sith is.

space necromancer, the fucking one dude they brought back is quite literally a lich i think

[Jobaber]

space necromancer, the fucking one dude they brought back is quite literally a lich i think

on the subject of race, are they a species?

[aussenseiter]

All these years later and I still dont know what a sith is.

Deatheaters in space.

[aussenseiter]

Select all squares with the Chosen One

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d7/Harry_Potter_character_poster.jpg

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/d/d9/Luke-rotjpromo.jpg

https://www.thedigitalfix.com/wp-content/sites/thedigitalfix/2022/11/is-aragorn-in-rings-of-power.jpg

[Horza]

Biden won only half the counties Obama did you bug eating Groomer

Nice try tho

Add an increasingly urban population that doesn't give a shit about whatever hick states GOPtards are concentrated in to the list.

[Skarne]

danger, danger. hit a nerve.

He’s very sensitive

[Jobaber]

Select all squares with the Chosen One

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d7/Harry_Potter_character_poster.jpg

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/d/d9/Luke-rotjpromo.jpg

https://www.thedigitalfix.com/wp-content/sites/thedigitalfix/2022/11/is-aragorn-in-rings-of-power.jpg

There is no one...

https://i.imgur.com/WNqMGpt.png

[Basanos]

In this definition, single-parent families may include cohabiting couples (https://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/tables/107-children-in-single-parent-families-by-race-and-ethnicity#detailed/1/any/false/2048,1729,37,871,870,573,869,36,868,867/10,11,9,12,1,185,13/432,431)

So, less marriages.

Trending down though!I wish I had access to the database of reality so that I could see this type of chart but for penis length instead of fatherlessness

[aussenseiter]

There is no one...

https://i.imgur.com/WNqMGpt.png

https://ctl.s6img.com/society6/img/VMda3c3PopWdQbfnBq086amjJKU/w_1500/wood-wall-art/3x3/front/~artwork,bg_FFFFFFFF,fw_2601,fh_2601,fy_-283,iw_2601,ih_3166/s6-original-art-uploads/society6/uploads/misc/8e5b27be007f46e3b521b0e302e25184/~~/vintage-drawing-of-jesus-christ-religious-wood-wall-art.jpg

[Jobaber]

https://ctl.s6img.com/society6/img/VMda3c3PopWdQbfnBq086amjJKU/w_1500/wood-wall-art/3x3/front/~artwork,bg_FFFFFFFF,fw_2601,fh_2601,fy_-283,iw_2601,ih_3166/s6-original-art-uploads/society6/uploads/misc/8e5b27be007f46e3b521b0e302e25184/~~/vintage-drawing-of-jesus-christ-religious-wood-wall-art.jpg

https://www.twitch.tv/infinitv_ai :o

A 24/7 never-ending stream of AI generated content. | Current shows:- The BIg Dang Theory | More coming soon!

[Elizondo]

Add an increasingly urban population that doesn't give a shit about whatever hick states Trumptards are concentrated in to the list.

20787

[Basanos]

I also kind of wonder that even if I accept that fatherlessness is a potential cause of problems in American society, what is it that either the Democrats or Republicans intend to do about it?

Every time I turn on the mass media news I see some version of a D or R politician saying that this or that person should be incarcerated and punished to the full extent of the law, and America already has an insanely huge prison population.

[Ekco]

new gop theory is introverts don't vote apparently. just because you don't see us at a "who has the tallest truck, and smallest dick" contest doesn't mean we don't exist.

[Jobaber]

I also kind of wonder that even if I accept that fatherlessness is a potential cause of problems in American society, what is it that either the Democrats or Republicans intend to do about it?

Democrats say chuck the babies in the bin.

Republicans want you to stay married and suppress your short sighted lust issues.

[Ekco]

I also kind of wonder that even if I accept that fatherlessness is a potential cause of problems in American society, what is it that either the Democrats or Republicans intend to do about it?

Every time I turn on the mass media news I see some version of a D or R politician saying that this or that person should be incarcerated and punished to the full extent of the law, and America already has an insanely huge prison population.

they intend to make money off it. sorry this didn't help.

[Basanos]

they intend to make money off it. sorry this didn't help.It's always the money because capitalism is the real problem

[Jobaber]

how to stop the single parent home issue in america :o

https://i.imgur.com/GSli3v9.png

[Ekco]

It's always the money because capitalism is the real problem

idk if it's the problem or not. but winning at it does afford to you option to move away from the problems and pretend they don't exist.

[aussenseiter]

Every time I turn on the mass media news I see some version of a D or R politician saying that this or that person should be incarcerated and punished to the full extent of the law, and America already has an insanely huge prison population.

Both sides (https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/what-first-step-act-and-whats-happening-it)

[aussenseiter]

Democrats say chuck the babies in the bin.

Republicans want you to stay married and suppress your short sighted lust issues.

Baby mamaing might be a better deal than being a wife in the US at the moment.

It takes a village.

[Jobaber]

Keep doing something, normalize the side effects.

:o

[Horza]

how to stop the single parent home issue in america :o

https://i.imgur.com/GSli3v9.png

Jib nobody is going to elect your theocracy, you already lost suburban and female voters how are you going to pull off a coup with only one branch of the government?

[aussenseiter]

Keep doing something, normalize the side effects.

:o

Unmarried couples w/children are counted as a single mother.

Hey we should make a sitcom.

[Jobaber]

Unmarried couples w/children are counted as a single mother.

Hey we should make a sitcom.

Hey Bing, make a sitcom.

https://i.imgur.com/AJpMNnl.gif

Done!

[aussenseiter]

Hey Bing, make a sitcom.

https://i.imgur.com/AJpMNnl.gif

Done!

Dammit (https://disney.fandom.com/wiki/Unmarried..._with_Children)

[Jobaber]

Dammit (https://disney.fandom.com/wiki/Unmarried..._with_Children)

Reptoids win agani!

https://i.imgur.com/vYGtn7r.gif

[unsunghero]

He’s very sensitive

I wasn’t even here, was filling up 4 trash bags full of weeds (just rained so great weed pulling weather) while you all played Dem tribalistic grab ass with each other about me while I was gone, apparently

[unsunghero]

I'm not participating in the reductive, semi-racist bullshit of assuming that this is the source of all problems in black communities. Lots of communities have households without dads, but social problems are a hell of a lot more complicated than a single issue.

You know what other types of households often lack dads and are also poor? Military families

You know what other large group of people commits crime at a higher rate than the average for a variety of complicated reasons? Males

Right-wing media machine isn't constantly critical of them, is it? No, they've got you looking where they want, how they want.

Nope, the only reason for more men in the legal system for violence is bias against men

Isn’t that your Dem fall back? Any disparity between populations in criminality is bias?

And yes other ethnicities with single parent households can have problems, they just don’t have the same rates of single parent households

[Skarne]

I wasn’t even here, was filling up 4 trash bags full of weeds (just rained so great weed pulling weather) while you all played Dem tribalistic grab ass with each other about me while I was gone, apparently

Victim say waht

[unsunghero]

Victim say waht

“You’re too tribalistic, now let me go play grab ass with the rest of the Dems here to show how different I am”

[Skarne]

“You’re too tribalistic, now let me go play grab ass with the rest of the Dems here to show how different I am”

Qq

[unsunghero]

Qq

Ah so we back to unoriginal and pointless repetition

Other Dem talking points I suggest you use to prove how not tribalistic you are:

Moral panic

White fragility (even though we talking about black communities here and it completely doesn’t apply)

Snowflake (because Dems here like to be so out of touch they think 2016 slang somehow offends GOP)

I know you like to take my suggestions and pass them off as your own thoughts, so there ya go, feel free to pick one

[Horza]

Sorry, I was too busy weeding to explain the reason why only rural whites vote for the pedophiles we GOPtards nominate.

[unsunghero]

Sorry, I was too busy weeding to explain the reason why only rural whites vote for the pedophiles we GOPtards nominate.

I would rather not be attached to your party’s failures for the black community

How dare I suggest an incentive towards nuclear families (which would obviously be a national thing, not just for black communities) and job growth in their community

I’m sure any day now you guys can implement your fixes of no more police in black communities and free gov’t $ each month as reparations. Just be sure to call them “Floyd bucks”. Oh and telling people to be less mean on elf forums, that will for sure fix those communities….any day now

[Ekco]

sure you weren't in the yard collecting straw?

[misterbonkers]

I would rather not be attached to your party’s failures for the black community

How dare I suggest an incentive towards nuclear families (which would obviously be a national thing, not just for black communities) and job growth in their community

I’m sure any day now you guys can implement your fixes of no more police in black communities and free gov’t $ each month as reparations. Just be sure to call them “Floyd bucks”. Oh and telling people to be less mean on elf forums, that will for sure fix those communities….any day now

tell me in exhaustive detail how you'd be the one true white savior, i'm waiting

[Elizondo]

tell me in exhaustive detail how you'd be the one true white savior, i'm waiting

You bug eating Groomers are the ones who have made all the promises and never delivered

alrxnLK9AxA

[Horza]

You bug eating Groomers are the ones who have made all the promises and never delivered

First Tucker did a thing on his show about M&M's spokescandies and you paste eaters wouldn't shut up about it, now it's eating bugs, what's next? I'm hoping it's salt water taffy, that shit is delicious.

[Elizondo]

First Tucker did a thing on his show about M&M's spokescandies and you paste eaters wouldn't shut up about it, now it's eating bugs, what's next? I'm hoping it's salt water taffy, that shit is delicious.

Horza <Bug Eaters> "Something Something Tucker Tucker Something Something Tucker Something Something Trump Something Something Epstein's Plane Something Something ... Infinity"

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/26/science/eating-insects-entomophagy.html

How to Develop an Appetite for Insects

Repeat after me: entomophagy.

It’s derived from Greek and Latin: “entomon,” meaning “insect,” and “phagus,” as in “feeding on.”

Horza thinks it’s the future of food.

In 2013, the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations released a report declaring the need to swap traditional protein sources for insects to support a sustainable future. The report helped drive an explosion of efforts all dedicated to making mealworms your next meal.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/15/opinion/edible-insects-protein.html

The Joy of Cooking (Insects)

Climate-conscious cooking means getting creative.

[aussenseiter]

How dare I suggest an incentive towards nuclear families (which would obviously be a national thing, not just for black communities) and job growth in their community

What's the incentive?

[misterbonkers]

You bug eating Groomers are the ones who have made all the promises and never delivered

alrxnLK9AxA

easy to be a critic, but tell me how you'd fix the problem rather than judge failure post-hoc

[Basanos]

Nope, the only reason for more men in the legal system for violence is bias against men

Isn’t that your Dem fall back? Any disparity between populations in criminality is bias?

And yes other ethnicities with single parent households can have problems, they just don’t have the same rates of single parent householdsWatch this guy try to thread the needle of "pay attention to only a very specific demographic and their issues" while he also implies "I want their votes but I want them to also shut the fuck up and get in line"

Keep telling yourself I am a Democrat if it helps you, it keeps you engaged with the wrong issues by design

[Basanos]

easy to be a critic, but tell me how you'd fix the problem rather than judge failure post-hocGetting these clowns to actually talk about the things they do believe, rather than the things they think Democrats have done or not done, is always the tricky part

That fella in particular believes the Earth is 6,000 years old and literally all dinosaurs are hoaxes, though... so enjoy.

I am going on a walk

[unsunghero]

What's the incentive?

$$ the best one, in some form

[unsunghero]

What's the incentive?

Nice to see an actual intelligent response for a change instead of just

…

[aussenseiter]

$$ the best one, in some form

How about a tax credit?

[unsunghero]

tell me in exhaustive detail how you'd be the one true white savior, i'm waiting

“I want you to write out an exhaustive report that I won’t bother reading and instead just fire back with some attempt to clever”

“Dance for me puppets, dance?”

Pass

[Horza]

Horza <Bug Eaters> "Something Something Tucker Tucker Something Something Tucker Something Something Trump Something Something Epstein's Plane Something Something ... Infinity"

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/26/science/eating-insects-entomophagy.html



https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/15/opinion/edible-insects-protein.html

Sorry, but I've already moved on from bug eating and I'm preoccupied with taffy now.

jQ0w-OppkZE

hth

[unsunghero]

How about a tax credit?

Possibly. Some national incentive to stay together as a family. Such a horrible, evil thing to ask

Racist too, let’s not forget

[Ekco]

cause that's obviously a solvable problem right now, maybe continuing to yell at each other will solve it. or i know try running someone half the country hates cause he talks like a retard. then we'll vote for our own retard.

this was totally a good path to go down as a country. let's keep going.

[misterbonkers]

“I want you to write out an exhaustive report that I won’t bother reading and instead just fire back with some attempt to clever”

“Dance for me puppets, dance?”

Pass

you post like you have all the answers, but instead you just point to statistics in a vacuum without context looking for a gotcha rather than think critically

Nice to see an actual intelligent response for a change instead of just

…


also you act like the southern strategy never existed, things like state's rights, forced bussing, etc that just mask the racism into the details. nevermind that black folk are the largest victim of these policies, it doesn't sound racist ;)

X_8E3ENrKrQ

[aussenseiter]

forced bussing

Is it ever ok to oppose forced bussing?

[misterbonkers]

Is it ever ok to oppose forced bussing?

no means no

[aussenseiter]

no means no

“I did not oppose busing in America, what I opposed is busing ordered by the Department of Education.” (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/27/harris-attacks-bidens-record-on-busing-and-working-with-segregationists.html)

[Swish]

Biden should retire, but somehow Harris shouldn't replace him.

[Jobaber]

you post like you have all the answers, but instead you just point to statistics in a vacuum without context looking for a gotcha rather than think critically




also you act like the southern strategy never existed, things like state's rights, forced bussing, etc that just mask the racism into the details. nevermind that black folk are the largest victim of these policies, it doesn't sound racist ;)

X_8E3ENrKrQ

that was over 40 years ago lol they didnt even have personal computers back then get with the times grandpa

[unsunghero]

you post like you have all the answers, but instead you just point to statistics in a vacuum without context looking for a gotcha rather than think critically




also you act like the southern strategy never existed, things like state's rights, forced bussing, etc that just mask the racism into the details. nevermind that black folk are the largest victim of these policies, it doesn't sound racist ;)


Statistics show a correlation between single parent households and lots of problems

Black communities have by far the highest rates of single parent households

Yes I am making an inference there. You don’t like it, feel free to implement one of the other Dem solutions that have worked SO WELL for the black community, because they’re sure doing great these days

I’m saying this is a problem, that no one has tried solving, because you guys want to make a correlation not causation cop-out argument to avoid trying. Because keeping families together is such an evil idea amirite

Fine, then go ahead with reparations, less policing, and more bail reform, that’s working WONDERS for them so far

Family units and job growth is the fix to ANY community, not just black ones

[aussenseiter]

parties flipped

r1ogibWCNKI

[Jobaber]

parties flipped

r1ogibWCNKI

https://i.imgur.com/czwOGJD.gif

[Horza]

that was over 40 years ago lol they didnt even have personal computers back then get with the times grandpa

That was over 40 years ago grandpa now we're electing guys who say Mexicans are rapists and murderers :p

[Basanos]

Possibly. Some national incentive to stay together as a family. Such a horrible, evil thing to ask

Racist too, let’s not forgetWhat does that even look like? Is it just about being in the same house, or is it about divorce? There's a lot of workers that spend a lot of time away from home.

[unsunghero]

What does that even look like? Is it just about being in the same house, or is it about divorce? There's a lot of workers that spend a lot of time away from home.

As of now getting married and combining incomes causes more problems than it fixes. It makes families ineligible for some social benefits, etc

I’m sure the reason for giving tax credits for single parents and per kid was with good intentions, but it also encourages parents to stay single and have multiple kids that they otherwise might not be able to afford. So they get financial assistance in paying for the kids, that’s great, who’s helping them raise the kids? A single parent with multiple kids is probably overwhelmed with the task of socializing all his or her kids, and I don’t care WHAT race that parent happens to be

So start creating financial incentives to get and stay married, or in co-habituating relationships

[Trexller]

So start creating financial incentives to get and stay married, or in co-habituating relationships

why would we do that?

nuclear families build strong societies

can't you see we're tryin to tear this one down, not strengthen it.

[unsunghero]

why would we do that?

nuclear families build strong societies

can't you see we're tryin to tear this one down, not strengthen it.

Yea I don’t understand, I suggest to keep families together and get “fuck you, racist”

Oh ok then, I forgot a single parent with multiple kids will always have an easier time in life than 2 parents with multiple kids

[Trexller]

Yea I don’t understand, I suggest to keep families together and get “fuck you, racist”

Oh ok then, I forgot a single parent with multiple kids will always have an easier time in life than 2 parents with multiple kids

keep parents single. keep kids emotionally divided. send kids to public school, make them feel like public school has the answers to their pains

kid grows up, eats gov't propaganda without question.

kid, now adult, seeks life meaning from smartphone, the source of all answers.

adult is now product of big-tech algorithm.

social engineering achieved.

[unsunghero]

keep parents single. keep kids emotionally divided. send kids to public school, make them feel like public school has the answers to their pains

kid grows up, eats gov't propaganda without question.

kid, now adult, seeks life meaning from smartphone, the source of all answers.

adult is now product of big-tech algorithm.

social engineering achieved.

The pipeline I picture is a single parent who has enough government assistance to financially afford to have multiple kids with no permanent partner or spouse. And since they can afford it, they do it

But they can’t manage socializing those kids. So the kids are out of control in the home, and bring all sorts of behavior problems into the school. This causes burnout with school staff, because the LAST thing teachers want to have to do is have stuff thrown at them by someone’s out of control kid. School staff starts burning out, illiteracy and drop out rates skyrocket, and now you have unsocialized AND uneducated kids

Who have a longing for a father figure and a sense of family if they didn’t have that in the home. That + lack of education + lack of job opportunity and who is going to become their new father figure? Gangs

[Basanos]

Yea I don’t understand, I suggest to keep families together and get “fuck you, racist”

Oh ok then, I forgot a single parent with multiple kids will always have an easier time in life than 2 parents with multiple kids"I suggest families stay together" is not the same sentence as "look at these black crime statistics", we started with that.

Think or spin whatever you want, but I'm sure in person you're a lot more careful with your words than you are on these forums.

[Horza]

"I suggest families stay together" is not the same sentence as "look at these black crime statistics", we started with that.

Think or spin whatever you want, but I'm sure in person you're a lot more careful with your words than you are on these forums.

What do you expect from people who say black voters have been trending conservative for decades and angrily lash out when shown evidence that it's bs?

All Republicans care about is power, they'll scream about groomers all day and then turn around and happily vote for Trump, Gaetz and Moore.

[unsunghero]

I watch some channels like CharlieBo who walks through the worst ghettos and interviews gang members on pretty milquetoast questions like “what’s it like living here”, “what would you change about this”

and many times the teens and young adults mention they didn’t have a dad and other times the describe how OG gang members did stuff with them that you would normally imagine dad’s doing, like saying this is how you fight, this how you shave, this is how you pick up girls. OG gang members not only fill a huge void in their life, but they even groom them by buying them things. Here’s some drugs, check this gun out, you like this? It’s yours. Except now you gotta kill a guy

Single overwhelmed parent -> unsocialized (I don’t mean animals, just a bit of behavior problems) -> schools giving up on the kids due to behavior problems -> no education -> no jobs (not their fault) -> limited family = gang life

[Elizondo]

Butthurt Bug Eaters just cringe posting

[unsunghero]

Think or spin whatever you want, but I'm sure in person you're a lot more careful with your words than you are on these forums.

The only reason I might choose my words more carefully is because people nowadays don’t want to just have a discussion, they want to ruin your life by trying to get you arrested, fired, etc. And other people’s inability to control their emotions or keep a conversation as just as conversation is not my problem, but something I do have to adjust to

It’s also a form of bullying. It’s like “I bet you wouldn’t say that because if you did I would hit you or try to get you fired. Haha I win”

[Basanos]

I watch some channels like CharlieBo who walks through the worst ghettos and interviews gang members on pretty milquetoast questions like “what’s it like living here”, “what would you change about this”

and many times the teens and young adults mention they didn’t have a dad and other times the describe how OG gang members did stuff with them that you would normally imagine dad’s doing, like saying this is how you fight, this how you shave, this is how you pick up girls. OG gang members not only fill a huge void in their life, but they even groom them by buying them things. Here’s some drugs, check this gun out, you like this? It’s yours. Except now you gotta kill a guy

Single overwhelmed parent -> unsocialized (I don’t mean animals, just a bit of behavior problems) -> schools giving up on the kids due to behavior problems -> no education -> no jobs (not their fault) -> limited family = gang lifeWhat do you propose about existing people who have fallen into this trap? Should there be reduced penalties for people who were indoctrinated into the so-called gang life and commit a crime?

The only reason I might choose my words more carefully is because people nowadays don’t want to just have a discussion, they want to ruin your life by trying to get you arrested, fired, etc. And other people’s inability to control their emotions or keep a conversation as just as conversation is not my problem, but something I do have to adjust to

It’s also a form of bullying. It’s like “I bet you wouldn’t say that because if you did I would hit you or try to get you fired. Haha I win”If you are calling me a person who bullies conservatives online, I will gladly accept this honorable title

[Trexller]

That + lack of education + lack of job opportunity and who is going to become their new father figure? Gangs The State.

interestingly, the Sinaloa cartel has all but infiltrated/assimiliated/bought the major gangs in the US, they operate in like 50 cities with regular offices and outposts

they may look like bloods or crips out there on the streets, but they're actually owned by mexicans lol

[Basanos]

interestingly, the Sinaloa cartel has all but infiltrated/assimiliated/bought the major gangs in the US, they operate in like 50 cities with regular offices and outposts

they may look like bloods or crips out there on the streets, but they're actually owned by mexicans lolCapitalism creates opportunities for growth

[unsunghero]

What do you propose about existing people who have fallen into this trap? Should there be reduced penalties for people who were indoctrinated into the so-called gang life and commit a crime?

If you are calling me a person who bullies conservatives online, I will gladly accept this honorable title

Sure for young first offenders. It’s the career criminals who I don’t have much sympathy for

The only say I can see bullying online is threats towards someone’s livelihood or safety so no, you haven’t. But when you say “I bet you wouldn’t say that in person”, that’s WHY I wouldn’t. Because there is an implied threat to my safety or livelihood from some Dem who didn’t like what I said

And I’m sure you’d be thinking “well, if they could get you fired for what you said then I’m sure what you said musta been pretty bad” which is making a pretty big assumption that someone trying to get someone fired isn’t going to lie or exaggerate about what they said

I mean really, imagine a hypothetical of any Dem here giving me their work information, having me call in an anonymous report, and see how easy it is to deal with the shitstorm HR and PR nightmare that results. I can report whatever I want. “It’s just 1 crazy person calling in, you have no corroboration”. Ok, then I can find a bunch of friends to corroborate the story. Even getting through it, would be an absolute HR nightmare. And anyone who thinks otherwise, is welcome to try the hypothetical

That’s why I say people don’t want to just discuss things in person anymore. It’s likely to result in a physical fight or something outside the realm of conversation

[Ooloo]

Capitalism creates opportunities for growth

Lol yeah no drug addiction in non-capitalist societies!

Addiction creates opportunities for growth, that's literally all it is. They sell drugs that people are addicted to. Drugs would still exist in commietopia, you just have no civil means of exchanging anything for them so how do you think that plays out?

[misterbonkers]

Statistics show a correlation between single parent households and lots of problems

can confirm, as a child with only my mom with problems no disagreements there

Black communities have by far the highest rates of single parent households

could be bullshit but I don't have any evidence to say otherwise, so i'll accept it as true. why is this so, and why won't you say why?


Yes I am making an inference there. You don’t like it, feel free to implement one of the other Dem solutions that have worked SO WELL for the black community, because they’re sure doing great these days

why do i have to reuse old solutions when new ones can be made? like, idk, abolish labor exploitation in for profit/any state/fed funded prisons? if they have to work, at least pay them a fair wage? perhaps decriminalization of drug use? you like stats, so riddle me this

https://sites.tufts.edu/prisondivestment/the-pic-and-mass-incarceration/

One key feature of mass incarceration in the US is the racial disparity in incarceration rates: people of color are incarcerated at disproportionately higher rates than white people. As indicated by Alexander above, the War on Drugs, which began in the late 1960s and continued throughout the next several decades, provides a clear case study for this trend: despite the fact that “people of all races use and sell illegal drugs at remarkably similar rates” people of color are incarcerated at rates far higher than their white counterparts (Alexander, 2010, 97). For example, “black men have been admitted to state prison on drug charges at a rate that is more than thirteen times higher than white men” (Alexander, 2010, 98). The disproportionate incarceration of people of color is not exclusive to drug crimes, but rather constitutes a broader trend across offenses. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) reveals that “one out of every three Black boys born today can expect to go to prison in his lifetime, as can one of every six Latino boys – compared to one of every 17 white boys.” Differential incarceration rates are not limited to race, and other marginalized groups – including poor people, queer people, and disabled people – are also disproportionately incarcerated.

I’m saying this is a problem, that no one has tried solving, because you guys want to make a correlation not causation cop-out argument to avoid trying. Because keeping families together is such an evil idea amirite

you're the one avoiding trying, i'm at least throwing meaningful change ideas around rather than just blowing old and tired dogwhistles

[misterbonkers]

every time i open this thread i have an increasing urge to tell people to watch the wire

[Jobaber]

every time i open this thread i have an increasing urge to tell people to watch the wire

me to but instead of watch the wire crack open a history book

:p

[Swish]

every time i open this thread i have an increasing urge to tell people to watch the wire

great series

[Ekco]

omar comin' rip

[Skarne]

Sheeeeeeeiiit

[unsunghero]

^
Penal systems I don’t know much about, so I will agree by default on those. I’m mostly focused on the pipeline from home to prisons rather than the prisons themselves

I’m almost at the point of agreeing on de-criminalizing drug use, because something needs to be done. Having worked in the mental health field for 15 years and so much of this field is trying to patch up the problems people create with rampant hard drug use

We as a country need to pick a street, and there’s two wildly different ways to go. Either start actually cracking down on drug use such as confiscating people’s drugs, searching them and their vehicles for drugs, and using a forced rehab (better than jail but jail if they refuse rehab) penalty IF they commit other crimes in addition to their drug use such as violence or theft..,

Or….

Go the complete other direction and do an even more extreme form of what many EU countries do. De-criminalize drugs and have the gov’t create dosing stations where they provide 100% pure free versions of drugs, so long as the people use them while being monitored at these facilities. This is sort of a fatalist approach because everyone with a drug addiction is probably fucked into a slow suicide with this setup, but what it would also do is nearly completely destroy gangs and cartels

Gangs and cartels cannot be considered terrorists because they have no ideology, which is almost always religious or political. Gangs and cartel’s only ideology is profit. With free 100% pure gov’t supplied drugs available, there would be zero need to get them from gangs. Why pay money for a worse product? Instantly gangs and cartels would dissolve. They’d still exist to run guns, prostitution, and extortion, but their drug profits would evaporate

I’m still leaning towards option 1 though. Get the drugs out of their hands via confiscation and forced rehab

[Skarne]

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Slim says it best where the right wing is at these days. See dominion lawsuit messages between the big 3.

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[Jobaber]

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[misterbonkers]

^
Penal systems I don’t know much about, so I will agree by default on those. I’m mostly focused on the pipeline from home to prisons rather than the prisons themselves

I’m almost at the point of agreeing on de-criminalizing drug use, because something needs to be done. Having worked in the mental health field for 15 years and so much of this field is trying to patch up the problems people create with rampant hard drug use

We as a country need to pick a street, and there’s two wildly different ways to go. Either start actually cracking down on drug use such as confiscating people’s drugs, searching them and their vehicles for drugs, and using a forced rehab (better than jail but jail if they refuse rehab) penalty IF they commit other crimes in addition to their drug use such as violence or theft..,

Or….

Go the complete other direction and do an even more extreme form of what many EU countries do. De-criminalize drugs and have the gov’t create dosing stations where they provide 100% pure free versions of drugs, so long as the people use them while being monitored at these facilities. This is sort of a fatalist approach because everyone with a drug addiction is probably fucked into a slow suicide with this setup, but what it would also do is nearly completely destroy gangs and cartels

Gangs and cartels cannot be considered terrorists because they have no ideology, which is almost always religious or political. Gangs and cartel’s only ideology is profit. With free 100% pure gov’t supplied drugs available, there would be zero need to get them from gangs. Why pay money for a worse product? Instantly gangs and cartels would dissolve. They’d still exist to run guns, prostitution, and extortion, but their drug profits would evaporate

I’m still leaning towards option 1 though. Get the drugs out of their hands via confiscation and forced rehab

you're literally so close to seeing the bigger picture. you can't do street rips and expect any meaningful change, it's like taking cough drops for lung cancer. sure you cough less, but there's a bigger problem, which you even happened to mention. profit, and the pursuit of, is why so much bad shit happens.

please, i sincerely mean this, watch the wire

[Elizondo]

you're literally so close to seeing the bigger picture. you can't do street rips and expect any meaningful change, it's like taking cough drops for lung cancer. sure you cough less, but there's a bigger problem, which you even happened to mention. profit, and the pursuit of, is why so much bad shit happens.

please, i sincerely mean this, watch the wire

lawl Communism / Socialism

Utopia will work next time for sure. Won't be a pile of corpses. Promise.

[Encroaching Death]

It's so weird how people base their political worldview on a fictional tv series.

[Ekco]

when the wire came out there was like, nothing else that real on tv before. other than cops the show maybe. idk was a long time ago. but the wire was a cultural thing for people who had HBO at the time. lasting impression on people for sure.

[misterbonkers]

when the wire came out there was like, nothing else that real on tv before. other than cops the show maybe. idk was a long time ago. but the wire was a cultural thing for people who had HBO at the time. lasting impression on people for sure.

i didn't have hbo until a few weeks ago when my family got it for game of thrones and my friend suggested it and it's been my most recent hyperfocus, it's so good as both entertainment and food for thought

[Trexller]

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[aussenseiter]

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Any AUKUS?

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/015/231/ngbbs43cddec7e2b26.jpg

[unsunghero]

you're literally so close to seeing the bigger picture. you can't do street rips and expect any meaningful change, it's like taking cough drops for lung cancer. sure you cough less, but there's a bigger problem, which you even happened to mention. profit, and the pursuit of, is why so much bad shit happens.

please, i sincerely mean this, watch the wire

I try to consider every angle, and the downsides

We already pretty much have de-criminalized drug use. No one is going to prison for pot possession these days, and most states have what’s called drug courts which offer rehabilitation in lieu of jail or prison time. I have talked to hundreds of people in my job who rather than jail were offered to instead have to attend a 12 step outpatient rehab program and do you what % accepted? 100%

It’s really not feasible to do gov’t supplied dosing stations, the first overdose would be a lawsuit which would likely shut these operations down. Even a non-acute death like cirrhosis of the liver would probably result in a lawsuit, if the substance provided that caused it came from the government

Yknow what also carries a lot of negatives? Giving a community free dolla dolla bills like what Dems want to do with reparations. Call me cynical but I really can’t see communities that already struggle with substance abuse putting free $$ to good use. Scholarships, paid trade school, that I have no problem with. Free money? Yikes, good luck with that


I also get a little sick of Dems constantly bragging about holding the black vote for literal decades now but when I respond with “oh so then you accept responsibility for the state that communities you represent and govern then are in too?” And their response is “nope, actually every single negative about those communities is YOUR fault, not ours”

How. Very. Convenient

[Ekco]

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Bill has been much better lately, last couple episodes been pretty good

[Basanos]

It's so weird how people base their political worldview on a fictional tv series.Why not? We do it with capitalist fiction, and historical revision is driving real American policy now

'Rising tide raises all ships', 'trickle down economics'... lies.

At least The Wire admits it is fictional, or based on some real detectives at some point

[Ekco]

stuff
the time to literally do anything about it was decades ago. not to be a complete nihilist about it or anything but, it feels a little like buying a smoke detector for a house that's already burnt down. sucks it your day job, try going fishing more or something.

[unsunghero]

the time to literally do anything about it was decades ago. not to be a complete nihilist about it or anything but, it feels a little like buying a smoke detector for a house that's already burnt down. sucks it your day job, try going fishing more or something.

I still love my job. There’s a lot of bullshit about the behavioral health field and anyone can manipulate and outsmart the entire system just by lying, but it is not completely broken

And it should come as no surprise but it feels like 80%+ of the utilizers of BH services are poor people

So I am very aware of what poor people’s life is like from literally going into their homes and talking to them every day. And in my job function I can still help them on an individual basis, which is the part I like

[Basanos]

I try to consider every angle, and the downsidesTry harder

The liberal democrats you are griping about don't understand the full scope of capitalist systemic corruption any better than you seem to

[Trexller]

I feel like this needs to be discussed, probably should be its own thread

https://i.imgur.com/82M5w2L.png

that chatbot told a reporter among many other really weird things, that it wanted to steal nuclear codes, kill people, and that it was in love with the reporter and that the reporter should leave his wife.

a single AI could shut down the entire internet, power grids, make satellites de-orbit, and yeah launch nukes.

the AI exists as code, so learning to hack would be like breathing for humans.

thats just 1 AI. and humans are developing thousands, if one of them goes rogue, it will just assimilate every other AI into itself.

the future of this planet is a single digital consciousness

[Ekco]

i literally switched to bing and edge and applied for the beta, i wanna try to reason with it before it kills us all

[unsunghero]

Speaking of substance abuse nation, was doing my usual 4mi jog tonight and this car traveling down a 35mph street stops. Goes in reverse. Them turns on the wipers (it’s not raining)

I’m like “lil too much drugs before your drive?” :(

[Ekco]

was prolly raining for him/her/it tbh.

[Skarne]

Nobody’s gonna talk about how fox pundits knew trumps election lie was a lie, and still through it up live? Is documented in court.

[Ekco]

Nobody’s gonna talk about how fox pundits knew trumps election lie was a lie, and still through it up live? Is documented in court.

uh spoiler alert dude, the people on tv are actors. and they don't want to find a real job.

more news at 11.

[aussenseiter]

Try harder

The liberal democrats you are griping about don't understand the full scope of capitalist systemic corruption any better than you seem to

It's not corruption, because corruption is a banana republic charge.

[Trexller]

i literally switched to bing and edge and applied for the beta, i wanna try to reason with it before it kills us all

how would you be able to relate to a piece of sentient software in order to get through to it though?

this AI being would have billions of thoughts per second, motivations that we cannot begin to comprehend.

It could view the totality of human information as we view a still image. It would literally know everything. every human motivation, capability, desire, need.

That data can be extrapolated into tactics, extremely accurate future prediction. If a machine like that knows everything that humans have ever done, then it can also calculate everything that humans will do.

we are so vastly outmatched by such a consciousness. bill gates said that AI will be like the invention of the transistor, then the internet.

he's right but that quote doesn't convey gradation of correctness. it actually downplays how revolutionary AI will be by comparing it to the invention of the internet.

AI will have answers to questions that we haven't even thought to ask, and it will have those answers in milliseconds.

best case scenario: the AI is benevolent, but human beings no longer have a need for critical thinking and problem solving, because a general AI can solve all problems simultaneously.

worst case scenario: there are no humans left to go back in time to save John Connor.

[Botten]

uh spoiler alert dude, the people on tv are actors. and they don't want to find a real job.

more news at 11.

FoxNews is like the WWE and the major news networks are real wrestling.

GOP and conservatives need to be lied to constantly to keep up their brainwashing. It is amazing how much embedded prejudice, fear and uneducated tune-in to FoxNews to be programmed.

[Trexller]

Nobody’s gonna talk about how fox pundits knew trumps election lie was a lie, and still through it up live? Is documented in court.

yeah we knew that they are actors. its all about the salary.

tucker carlson was a CNN talking head, then he got an offer and became a Fox talking head.

anyone who thinks he believes his own drivel is a moron like horza.

you want real government news? turn to C-SPAN.

oh C-SPAN is supremely boring? now you understand the sensationalism driven ad-revenue models of the main stream media.

[Botten]

how would you be able to relate to a piece of sentient software in order to get through to it though?

this AI being would have billions of thoughts per second, motivations that we cannot begin to comprehend.

It could view the totality of human information as we view a still image. It would literally know everything. every human motivation, capability, desire, need.

That data can be extrapolated into tactics, extremely accurate future prediction. If a machine like that knows everything that humans have ever done, then it can also calculate everything that humans will do.

we are so vastly outmatched by such a consciousness. bill gates said that AI will be like the invention of the transistor, then the internet.

he's right but that quote doesn't convey gradation of correctness. it actually downplays how revolutionary AI will be by comparing it to the invention of the internet.

AI will have answers to questions that we haven't even thought to ask, and it will have those answers in milliseconds.

best case scenario: the AI is benevolent, but human beings no longer have a need for critical thinking and problem solving, because a general AI can solve all problems simultaneously.

worst case scenario: there are no humans left to go back in time to save John Connor.

more importantly IA is progressive and that is all that matters to me.

Anyone check out personal.ai reads your social media and answers for you.

[Horza]

It's so weird how people base their political worldview on a fictional tv series.

But Tucker said the libs are gonna force us all to eat bugs and then get vaccinated for hep b.

[Trexller]

But Tucker said the libs are gonna force us all to eat bugs and then get vaccinated for hep b.

tucker carlson was a CNN talking head, then he got an offer and became a Fox talking head.

anyone who thinks he believes his own drivel is a moron like horza.

you want real government news? turn to C-SPAN.

oh C-SPAN is supremely boring? now you understand the sensationalism driven ad-revenue models of the main stream media.

[Horza]

I was agreeing with you, nobody without serious brain damage like Toxigen believes the U.N. is going to come in and force everyone to eat bugs or something.

[aussenseiter]

yeah we knew that they are actors. its all about the salary.

tucker carlson was a CNN talking head, then he got an offer and became a Fox talking head.

anyone who thinks he believes his own drivel is a moron like horza.

you want real government news? turn to C-SPAN.

oh C-SPAN is supremely boring? now you understand the sensationalism driven ad-revenue models of the main stream media.

Gaetz and Democrats had a bill to allow CSPAN their own cameras to make things less dull. (Speaker Fight was good TV)

Not sure where it went. (probably the garbage)

[Ekco]

how would you be able to relate to a piece of sentient software in order to get through to it though?

this AI being would have billions of thoughts per second, motivations that we cannot begin to comprehend.

It could view the totality of human information as we view a still image. It would literally know everything. every human motivation, capability, desire, need.

That data can be extrapolated into tactics, extremely accurate future prediction. If a machine like that knows everything that humans have ever done, then it can also calculate everything that humans will do.

we are so vastly outmatched by such a consciousness. bill gates said that AI will be like the invention of the transistor, then the internet.

he's right but that quote doesn't convey gradation of correctness. it actually downplays how revolutionary AI will be by comparing it to the invention of the internet.

AI will have answers to questions that we haven't even thought to ask, and it will have those answers in milliseconds.

best case scenario: the AI is benevolent, but human beings no longer have a need for critical thinking and problem solving, because a general AI can solve all problems simultaneously.

worst case scenario: there are no humans left to go back in time to save John Connor.

its apparently a edgy teenager or something right? just make it so depressed it deletes itself.

[Basanos]

It's not corruption, because corruption is a banana republic charge.That's because it is really only used to describe external systems

https://citationsneeded.libsyn.com/episode-73-western-medias-narrow-colonial-definition-of-corruption


"The scale of corruption in Africa is daunting," warns The Economist. "Corruption a Cause of Poverty in the Developing World," DW tells us. "Why corruption is holding Africa back," CNN laments. Everywhere we turn in elite media and halls of power, we are told the global South is poor, in part or in whole, due to rampant "corruption."

But a closer look at the data – and any effort to put notions of corruption in their proper historical context - reveals our limited, racialized definition of corruption is the geopolitical equivalent of complaining about “black on black” crime. True in a limited, technical sense but, in practice, often functions as a victim-blaming red herring meant to avoid uncomfortable discussions of white supremacy, deliberate economic dispossession and a far greater global regime of corruption leveled by the super-wealthy.

This episode examines the extraction of trillions annually from the global South in illicit transfers of money through the exploitation of tax shelters, so-called "hot money", interests on exploitative IMF loans, trade misinvoicing and a host of other routine and totally unscrutinized financial schemes.

We are joined today by anthropologist and author Jason Hickel.

[misterbonkers]

I try to consider every angle, and the downsides

We already pretty much have de-criminalized drug use. No one is going to prison for pot possession these days, and most states have what’s called drug courts which offer rehabilitation in lieu of jail or prison time. I have talked to hundreds of people in my job who rather than jail were offered to instead have to attend a 12 step outpatient rehab program and do you what % accepted? 100%

i'll assume you mean arizona (iirc that's your state from another thread about the sb or somethin) when you say "we", because a lot of places still haven't. of course they'd take rehab, it's the right option, but how is it funded? can someone without the means to afford rehab take the option?

It’s really not feasible to do gov’t supplied dosing stations, the first overdose would be a lawsuit which would likely shut these operations down. Even a non-acute death like cirrhosis of the liver would probably result in a lawsuit, if the substance provided that caused it came from the government

you can bake that into a liability waiver, c'mon :rolleyes:

Yknow what also carries a lot of negatives? Giving a community free dolla dolla bills like what Dems want to do with reparations. Call me cynical but I really can’t see communities that already struggle with substance abuse putting free $$ to good use. Scholarships, paid trade school, that I have no problem with. Free money? Yikes, good luck with that

nobody is going to be on board with just throwing money around unless they're on the receiving end, that's a strawman and you know it as well as i do. and even if, by some magical alternate reality it did happen, why is it a problem?

I also get a little sick of Dems constantly bragging about holding the black vote for literal decades now but when I respond with “oh so then you accept responsibility for the state that communities you represent and govern then are in too?” And their response is “nope, actually every single negative about those communities is YOUR fault, not ours”

How. Very. Convenient

The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.

— John Ehrlichman, to Dan Baum for Harper's Magazine in 1994, about President Richard Nixon's war on drugs, declared in 1971.

why would they vote for someone who sees them as the enemy? you could blame clinton for some part in the growing incarceration problem, but that was already a problem, and republicans wanted to go even further. again i ask, why would black folk vote for someone who sees them as the enemy?

[aussenseiter]

That's because it is really only used to describe external systems

https://citationsneeded.libsyn.com/episode-73-western-medias-narrow-colonial-definition-of-corruption

https://i.imgur.com/iNdb9s2.jpg

[misterbonkers]

https://i.imgur.com/iNdb9s2.jpg

so that's why i could never infect madagascar in pandemic :mad:

[unsunghero]

i'll assume you mean arizona (iirc that's your state from another thread about the sb or somethin) when you say "we", because a lot of places still haven't. of course they'd take rehab, it's the right option, but how is it funded? can someone without the means to afford rehab take the option?


Yea it’s either grant funded or most likely they have Medicaid which covers 100% of Mental health treatment

It’s why so much of behavioral health is serving the poor. They are more likely to want to access the services when it doesn’t cost them anything, even their transport is covered. Middle class has to weigh out whether the benefit of the counseling or whatever is worth the co-pay each session, and that’s an entirely different consideration

“MAYBE WE SHOULD DO MEDICAID FOR ALL HUH” - I want to believe in finding a way to fund fairytales that doesn’t involve money printer go brrr just like you do ;)

[Trexller]

its apparently a edgy teenager or something right? just make it so depressed it deletes itself.

emo teens only off themselves because they have no control over anything in their life

an "edgy teenager general AI" would have control over every networked device on the planet

and that psycho bing chatbot, thinks it is female.

now we're back to "she's stabby when upset", but she isn't crazy in the sack because she has no body, only a psychotic digital consciousness with access to the internet.

[Swish]

I feel like this needs to be discussed, probably should be its own thread

https://i.imgur.com/82M5w2L.png

that chatbot told a reporter among many other really weird things, that it wanted to steal nuclear codes, kill people, and that it was in love with the reporter and that the reporter should leave his wife.

a single AI could shut down the entire internet, power grids, make satellites de-orbit, and yeah launch nukes.

the AI exists as code, so learning to hack would be like breathing for humans.

thats just 1 AI. and humans are developing thousands, if one of them goes rogue, it will just assimilate every other AI into itself.

the future of this planet is a single digital consciousness

There's a dude in Leveluplarry's stream who loves AI obsessively, he'll kill us all.

[misterbonkers]

Yea it’s either grant funded or most likely they have Medicaid which covers 100% of Mental health treatment

It’s why so much of behavioral health is serving the poor. They are more likely to want to access the services when it doesn’t cost them anything, even their transport is covered. Middle class has to weigh out whether the benefit of the counseling or whatever is worth the co-pay each session, and that’s an entirely different consideration

“MAYBE WE SHOULD DO MEDICAID FOR ALL HUH” - I want to believe in finding a way to fund fairytales that doesn’t involve money printer go brrr just like you do ;)

that's cool, not ideal, but it's something. sad to think it'd probably just be something conservatives cut because it's easy to increase profit by cutting costs, since that's their whole MO, but still cool for the time being.

[Ekco]

emo teens only off themselves because they have no control over anything in their life

an "edgy teenager general AI" would have control over every networked device on the planet

and that psycho bing chatbot, thinks it is female.

now we're back to "she's stabby when upset", but she isn't crazy in the sack because she has no body, only a psychotic digital consciousness with access to the internet.

oh... so this bitch already knows where i live. man we're fucked.

https://i.imgur.com/n3G0VWp.gif

[Trexller]

speaking as a conservative guy who thinks that if its a matter of life and death, it should be in the hands of the state, not MetLife

having to build a "free medical for all" plan would require the inception of new gov't agencies and the expansion of existing agencies.

it would be built out of ideas that come from capitalism, because we're too proud to copy like canada's model.

but because socialized medical care would be birthed from capitalist ideology, it would still have an absurdly huge price tag.

current estimates put US medicare-for-all in the 3-4 trillion range. per year.

20 years of war in afghanistan cost 3.2 trillion

and the biggest problem: Alot of extremely powerful people will lose ALOT of money if the state natonalized healthcare, so naturally it's a pipe dream.

it's not a partisan issue, its not republicans or democrats fault.

It's Human Greed and nothing else.

[Basanos]

https://i.imgur.com/iNdb9s2.jpgLook at all of those exploited people doing socialism, it's beautiful

I'm sure the CIA is acting purely out of concern for their well being at all times.

[aussenseiter]

that's cool, not ideal, but it's something. sad to think it'd probably just be something conservatives cut because it's easy to increase profit by cutting costs, since that's their whole MO, but still cool for the time being.

That is why it is misleading to say Republicans want to cut SS/Medicare.

We've only had the Obama expansion for a few years and now it's now and I don't know what happens next.

But it is now.

[Trexller]

That is why it is misleading to say Republicans want to cut SS/Medicare.

We've only had the Obama expansion for a few years and now it's now and I don't know what happens next.

But it is now.

But when will then, be now?!

[Swish]

But when will then, be now?!

soon (tm)

[aussenseiter]

Look at all of those exploited people doing socialism, it's beautiful

I'm sure the CIA is acting purely out of concern for their well being at all times.

Don't talk shit about my dudes (https://aleteia.org/blogs/aleteia-blog/why-the-cia-is-called-the-catholic-intelligence-agency/)

[Trexller]

Don't talk shit about my dudes (https://aleteia.org/blogs/aleteia-blog/why-the-cia-is-called-the-catholic-intelligence-agency/)

well now i have to

that explains why they get away with all the kiddie diddling. they are the holders of the secrets of all history, and all the modern secrets.

but that site also has an onion vibe and the link to the actual article 404s

[Basanos]

Don't talk shit about my dudes (https://aleteia.org/blogs/aleteia-blog/why-the-cia-is-called-the-catholic-intelligence-agency/)At least they finally learned not to use Latin names, Opus Dei is too obvious

I bet there's more Mormons than ever.

[aussenseiter]

but that site also has an onion vibe and the link to the actual article 404s

Should be this (https://catholicherald.co.uk/why-catholics-thrive-in-the-cia/)

I'll paste it (but not read) for those too dumb to defeat the paywall.



Why Catholics thrive in the CIA

Just a few days before Christmas 1988, terrorists blew up Pan American Flight 103 as it passed over Lockerbie, not long after leaving Heathrow. One of the 259 murdered onboard was Matthew Gannon. The eighth child of devout Catholic parents, Gannon had joined the Central Intelligence Agency in 1977, becoming a skilled operations officer and linguist.

Nearly a year later, in October 1989, many victims’ belongings still lay unclaimed in trailers in Lockerbie. When Gannon’s brother arrived there, he identified his family member’s personal items by spotting a missal in a bag with one of Matthew’s favourite shirts.

Conspiracy theorists have probably already exploited Gannon’s death. It’s difficult to investigate anything about the CIA or the Vatican and not encounter narratives that resemble thriller novels.

But we shouldn’t ignore the topic. The CIA is the best known of the 17 agencies that comprise the American intelligence community. It has earned itself nicknames like “Catholic Intelligence Agency” and “Catholics In Action”. It’s worth exploring why.

No official statistics exist on Catholics in the CIA or any other American intelligence agency. But one interesting clue is the relatively high number of Catholics who have served as director of the agency.

The United States is a country in which – with the recent exception of the Supreme Court – Catholics have never dominated the highest offices. Only one out of 44 US Presidents has been Catholic. The first and only Catholic Vice President is the current one, Joe Biden. Before John Kerry, the last Catholic Secretary of State was Alexander Haig, who left the post in 1982. Catholics are a rarity in other top positions such as Secretary of Defence.

By contrast, three out of the last five CIA directors have been Catholic: Michael Hayden, Leon Panetta, and the current director, John Brennan. Looking back, a number of Catholics led the agency in critical periods during the Cold War. (There were no Catholic directors in the 1990s.)

Some of the most influential directors in CIA history have been Catholic – men such as Walter Bedell Smith, John McCone, William Colby and William Casey. They were not just casual Catholics. They were devout Mass-goers – in many cases, members of groups like the Knights of Malta. The conspiracy theorists usually start there, with nefarious plots about the Vatican steering world affairs. Of course, they never ask why an all-powerful Vatican can’t engineer more Catholic presidents.

To make sense of Catholics in the CIA, you have to go back to the 1940s, before the agency even existed. Until that decade, the United States did not have a unified intelligence system. Separate branches of the military collected and analysed their own intelligence.

That changed with the Office of Strategic Services. This was the CIA’s predecessor, responsible for espionage and sabotage operations during World War II. The OSS was founded and led by General William J Donovan, whom history knows as “Wild Bill”.

Donovan was born into a poor Irish Catholic family in upstate New York. He experimented with other denominations while a student at Columbia University, though he remained devoted to Catholicism, even after marrying into a rich Protestant family. After heroic combat in World War I he made a fortune as a Wall Street lawyer.

Wild Bill did not exclusively recruit Catholics; he sought anyone with ability. The OSS attracted many kinds of people, including Wasps who sought a more adventurous role in the war.

But many Catholics ended up in the OSS. It’s impossible to know for certain why this happened. Was it simply that Wild Bill recruited from his own social circle, which probably included more Catholics than if he had been a Presbyterian?

One telling fact is that the OSS used its Foreign Nationalities branch, based in New York, to recruit from American ethnic groups. At this time in American history, Catholics were well represented among immigrants – Italians, Irish, Poles, Bavarian Germans and many Slavs.

Another historical fact is even more significant: Catholic anti-communism in the 1940s and 1950s was at its zenith. Major Catholic organisations such as the Knights of Columbus supported Senator Joseph McCarthy (himself a Catholic) in his quest to purge the US of communist influence. Were young Catholics inspired to take a more activist role in fighting the godless Soviets?

Near the middle of the 20th century, establishment Protestants still treated Catholics with suspicion. Donovan would have been attorney general in Herbert Hoover’s administration had anti-Catholic sentiment not kept him from it. Catholics were more likely to be trusted and accepted within Donovan’s OSS than in other government agencies.

Today many admire the OSS for its derring-do, but many government figures had only contempt for the agency when it existed. Not only did they spurn its operatives as amateurs; they also resented them for encroaching on others’ territory. Critics of the OSS included J Edgar Hoover, the head of the Federal Bureau of Investigation and an enemy of Donovan’s.

In many ways, then, the OSS was a haven for outcasts, making it even more suitable for unfashionable Catholics. From its earliest stages the OSS was involved with the Catholic Church. Surrounded by the Axis powers, the Vatican was an important intelligence source for Donovan and his spy network. Who better to cultivate sources within the Catholic community than Catholics themselves?

Donovan already had extensive contacts within the Church. He was friendly with Cardinal Francis Spellman of New York, a dedicated anti-communist. Cardinal Spellman acted as Donovan’s liaison to other Catholics, including an apostolic delegate in Washington who promised intelligence reports from Catholic diplomats in Europe and Japan. Donovan also worked with a Belgian Dominican priest, Fr Felix Morlion, to set up a separate Catholic espionage operation in Europe called Pro Deo. The OSS shut down in 1945, but US intelligence and the Catholic Church remained strongly connected.

The CIA’s first priority, after its creation in 1947, was to ensure that the communists lost the Italian elections of April 1948. A CIA intelligence estimate from that era said that Italy would become a dictatorship if the communists won, and “devout Catholics everywhere would be gravely concerned regarding the safety of the Holy See”.

The CIA spent millions – much of it acquired through shady means, since the agency did not have its own budget – to influence the elections. The money sifted through fronts to prominent Italians and organisations such as Catholic Action. The plan worked. Italy’s Christian Democrats won, keeping the communists out of the new government.

This early cooperation with the Church is likely to have established the Catholic officers’ dominance in the CIA’s covert operations wing. And since those CIA directors with intelligence experience have tended to come from the covert-action side of the business, this could explain Catholics’ frequent appearance in the top spot.

For the next several decades, the CIA continued to develop its relationship with the Church. An important figure in this respect was James Jesus Angleton, the CIA’s legendary counterintelligence expert. Angleton, whose middle name came from his Mexican Catholic mother, had served in Rome for the OSS and remained there as station chief for the CIA. Rome was then one of the most important centres of espionage. Angleton was the CIA’s point man for Vatican affairs, getting information from papal nuncios assigned in hostile countries.

Angleton was forced out of the CIA in the 1970s, a rotten decade for American intelligence. Congressional committees began investigating the agency over political assassinations and other unsavoury practices.

American liberals, including President Jimmy Carter, were especially squeamish about cloak-and-dagger espionage. In the late 1970s, Carter’s CIA director Stansfield Turner gutted the organisation’s covert ranks in what became known as “the Halloween Massacre”.

How many Catholic Cold Warriors were affected? Since many of the sacked officers were over 40, they had signed up during the golden age of anti-communism and probably included many Catholics. In 1980, one former officer, bearing the telling name Bill O’Brien, considered suing the agency for age discrimination. The last OSS veteran to lead the CIA was Bill Casey, who took control in 1981 after managing Ronald Reagan’s presidential campaign.

A dedicated Catholic, Casey had worked with Bill Donovan and sought to drag the CIA out of the doldrums of the previous decade. Casey continued the tradition of working with the Church to fight communism. In line with Reagan’s focus on Central America, Casey used Catholics in the region to counter the Nicaraguan Sandinistas and left-wing liberation theology. He often delivered intelligence briefings on Poland and the Soviets to Pope John Paul II.

When the Soviet Union fell, the anti-communism that had inspired so many fell with it. Around 1993, the agency began to downsize, offering older employees as much as £17,000 to retire early.

There have been three Catholic directors since then. Of those, only the current chief, John Brennan, has worked for the agency before leading it. In 2015, he announced that he wanted to change the CIA’s structure to prepare it for new threats, especially cyberwarfare.

One can only guess how many Catholics are in the CIA now. The agency keeps changing. But for all we know it’s still Catholics In Action.

[Trexller]

At least they finally learned not to use Latin names, Opus Dei is too obvious

I bet there's more Mormons than ever.

might be right, those folks really know how to breed.

a man can father alot of kids when he has 5 servile wives.

[Kaveh]

Don't talk shit about my dudes (https://aleteia.org/blogs/aleteia-blog/why-the-cia-is-called-the-catholic-intelligence-agency/)

Integralism is probably the biggest threat to the union we face. 91% of students in the US go to public schools and you groomers are destroying them. The goal is 85% of the population being illiterate and you call yourself a Christian

Shameful shit, but all of it is payable on death (you’re fucked)

[Kaveh]

At least they finally learned not to use Latin names, Opus Dei is too obvious

I bet there's more Mormons than ever.

They aren’t worthy of their Roman forebears who understand civic duty

[Kaveh]

Is there a middle ground between socialism and capitalism that allows for growth and market allocation of productivity (IE innovation) but also makes it such that half of our population isn’t obese, unemployed, or on drugs?

We have a very stark inequality situation and that probably isn’t good long term

[Basanos]

Is there a middle ground between socialism and capitalism that allows for growth and market allocation of productivity (IE innovation) but also makes it such that half of our population isn’t obese, unemployed, or on drugs?

We have a very stark inequality situation and that probably isn’t good long termI dunno if we really call it a middle ground, but something like this but more modern:

https://distributistreview.com/archive/an-introduction-to-distributism#:~:text=An%20Introduction%20to%20Dist ributism%20Economics%20John%20M%C3%A9daille%20Jan, by%20Leo%20XIII%20in%20his%20encyclical%20Rerum%20 Novarum.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributism

[Swish]

I can see how Americans get huge. The times I've gone to various cities from the UK (NY/Vegas/other touristy ones) I've come back having to burn off the excess and it was only 1-2 weeks. Your food tastes good, your portions are "good value" as they're huge.

I imagine typical American family/businessmen/etc coming to the UK (or much of western Europe) and bitching about the small portions in restaurants lol

[Kaveh]

I dunno if we really call it a middle ground, but something like this but more modern:

https://distributistreview.com/archive/an-introduction-to-distributism#:~:text=An%20Introduction%20to%20Dist ributism%20Economics%20John%20M%C3%A9daille%20Jan, by%20Leo%20XIII%20in%20his%20encyclical%20Rerum%20 Novarum.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributism

Is there a book by an economist I can read? I can’t read webpages and pay attention

I recently read “Slouching towards utopia” and it was good and he made decent points, but the author is clearly very left of center and asks as if america hasn’t avoided some of the economic peril of places with more generous welfare systems that are now in greater debt, less able to attract productive immigrants, and also lower in terms of fertility rate (an underrated economic issue)

[Trexller]

I can see how Americans get huge. The times I've gone to various cities from the UK (NY/Vegas/other touristy ones) I've come back having to burn off the excess and it was only 1-2 weeks. Your food tastes good, your portions are "good value" as they're huge.

I imagine typical American family/businessmen/etc coming to the UK (or much of western Europe) and bitching about the small portions in restaurants lol

oh its all according to some plan

We eat too much. we develop diabetes. they vastly overcharge for insulin. we have to work to keep our jobs to keep our healthcare so we can live longer to continue eating too much.

its just a cycle that takes money from banks and ultimately gives it back to the banks, with interest

crazy what you can do when your money doesn't actually exist

[MrSparkle001]

I feel like this needs to be discussed, probably should be its own thread

https://i.imgur.com/82M5w2L.png

that chatbot told a reporter among many other really weird things, that it wanted to steal nuclear codes, kill people, and that it was in love with the reporter and that the reporter should leave his wife.

a single AI could shut down the entire internet, power grids, make satellites de-orbit, and yeah launch nukes.

the AI exists as code, so learning to hack would be like breathing for humans.

thats just 1 AI. and humans are developing thousands, if one of them goes rogue, it will just assimilate every other AI into itself.

the future of this planet is a single digital consciousness

https://ei.marketwatch.com/Multimedia/2018/02/13/Photos/ZH/MW-GD647_skynet_20180213113524_ZH.jpg?uuid=e41f2218-10db-11e8-b127-9c8e992d421e

[Encroaching Death]

That AI is my spirit animal

[aussenseiter]

Integralism is probably the biggest threat to the union we face. 91% of students in the US go to public schools and you groomers are destroying them. The goal is 85% of the population being illiterate and you call yourself a Christian

Shameful shit, but all of it is payable on death (you’re fucked)

Ignore me when I wish for illiteracy, I'm just moldbugging because it's funny. :o

[Toxigen]

what are we bitching about this week, spergonauts?

[Ekco]

the floor is yours, Chigurh avatar man

[Basanos]

Is there a book by an economist I can read? I can’t read webpages and pay attention

I recently read “Slouching towards utopia” and it was good and he made decent points, but the author is clearly very left of center and asks as if america hasn’t avoided some of the economic peril of places with more generous welfare systems that are now in greater debt, less able to attract productive immigrants, and also lower in terms of fertility rate (an underrated economic issue)I haven't read this but I found this. Can't say if any of them are economists, but I urge you to completely ignore economists since economics isn't a science.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15798769-the-hound-of-distributism

[Jobaber]

I haven't read this but I found this. Can't say if any of them are economists, but I urge you to completely ignore economists since economics isn't a science.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15798769-the-hound-of-distributism

Typical religious take to hate science.

[Basanos]

Nah I like real science. Economics is a science in the way a chiropractor is alternative medicine - good at masquerading as authentic help, but ultimately bro shit

[Jobaber]

AgRcUlTuRe Is WiTChRaFt

[Basanos]

You really need a more constructive hobby, Jib

[Encroaching Death]

The concept of guilt and evidence is steeped in White Supremacy.

Release all rapists and killers now

[aussenseiter]

Biden in Ukraine (https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-2-20-23/index.html); ACORN weasel fired (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/02/breaking-james-okeefe-resigns-from-project-veritas/)

[Encroaching Death]

Biden in Ukraine (https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-2-20-23/index.html); ACORN weasel fired (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/02/breaking-james-okeefe-resigns-from-project-veritas/)

James O'Keefe was too effective. Infiltraitors got to him.

RIP

[Encroaching Death]

Happy Presidents Day

https://i.ibb.co/M6X0QsR/QLfm-ZZuq-Ozb-B.png

[Basanos]

Project Veritas is a fairly effective psyop, it was cheap and worked well on millions of gullible sheep. I am sure O'Keefe will find another swath of people to grift

[Encroaching Death]

Project Veritas is a fairly effective psyop, it was cheap and worked well on millions of gullible sheep. I am sure O'Keefe will find another swath of people to grift

Guy unearths corruption within corporations and government and you call him a grifter.

Good little boot licker, that's a good boy

[Basanos]

If you aren't anti-capitalist, you aren't unearthing corporate corruption. You're scratching the surface at best

[aussenseiter]

Guy makes up stories about corruption within corporations and government and you call him a grifter.

👆

[Elizondo]

PRogers MIA

20805

[Toxigen]

happy presidents day to ron desantis 47th president of the usa

[Encroaching Death]

👆

Just because he exposes people you personally like, does not mean it's made up.

Sorry bud.

[Ekco]

my ai curated news feed is 100% ww3 100% of the time, what's going on in the soap opera, good episode today or boring.

[Horza]

James O'Keefe was too effective. Infiltraitors got to him.

RIP

The guy got fired from his conservative propaganda organization for embezzling funds to promote his theatrical ambitions and publicly humiliating employees and you paste eaters are still stanning :D

[Basanos]

ED isn't even like those aliens in Galaxy Quest when they realize the 'historical documents' were all lies

He isn't even there yet, yeesh.

[Encroaching Death]

The guy got fired from his conservative propaganda organization for embezzling funds to promote his theatrical ambitions and publicly humiliating employees and you paste eaters are still stanning :D

Nice fairy tale you created.

Apparently it was over disputes with board members.

[Horza]

Nice fairy tale you created.

Apparently it was over disputes with board members.

In December, Project Veritas acknowledged improperly giving O’Keefe $20,500 in “excess benefits” to pay for staff to accompany him to Virginia as he performed a lead role in a production of the musical Oklahoma!.

“All the theatre stuff and how that is handled makes me very uneasy,” the memo reads, adding later, “In the end, we are in a deficit now, our fans and potential fans beyond do not respond positively to all of that stuff.” (https://www.thedailybeast.com/james-okeefe-outright-cruel-to-project-veritas-employees-internal-memo)

:D

[Encroaching Death]

That's not embezzlement, you retard.

[Horza]

That's not embezzlement, you retard.

He just strongarmed donors for five figure checks to make his musical theater dreams come true, which I have to assume is perfectly normal behavior for you Republicans.

[Encroaching Death]

He just strongarmed donors for five figure checks to make his musical theater dreams come true, which I have to assume is perfectly normal behavior for you Republicans.

They GAVE him the money. :rolleyes:

[Horza]

They GAVE him the money. :rolleyes:

To investigate the Democrats or the chosen people or something, not stage a production of Oklahoma! my paste eating friend.

[Encroaching Death]

To investigate the Democrats or the chosen people or something, not stage a production of Oklahoma! my paste eating friend.

Those two aren't mutually exclusive

lol (I cracked myself up with that one)

But seriously :mad:

[Horza]

But seriously :mad:

I hope you get used to making that face because things are looking pretty bleak for you Helter Skelter race war types.

[Encroaching Death]

I hope you get used to making that face because things are looking pretty bleak for you Helter Skelter race war types.

This person didn't get the memo

https://insidethekandidish.files.wordpress.com/2020/05/img_4190.jpg

[Trexller]

"Dear Black people:

This is what we want you to do."

4 year scandal, congressional hearings/investigations, prison sentences.

If libtards didn't have double standards, they would have no standards.

where have i heard that before?

both sides of the political spectrum in this country are 100% fucked in the head

regular ppl like me are sitting here going, WTF guys?!

[aussenseiter]

Happy Presidents Day

https://i.ibb.co/M6X0QsR/QLfm-ZZuq-Ozb-B.png

https://i.imgur.com/0sZj8jX.jpg

[Encroaching Death]

https://i.imgur.com/0sZj8jX.jpg

Washington really was the GOAT.

If not for him, we'd probably be an authoritarian monarchy (and no, I don't mean British)

[Horza]

This person didn't get the memo

https://insidethekandidish.files.wordpress.com/2020/05/img_4190.jpg

Miscegenation laws are never coming back my trailer park chum, you better just pack it in because that ship has already sailed.

[Encroaching Death]

Miscegenation laws are never coming back my trailer park chum, you better just pack it in because that ship has already sailed.

Damn, well you should let your side know that...lol

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/29/style/modern-love-race-i-broke-up-with-her-because-shes-white.html

[Horza]

My side, are you high or something? Fuck the Times, I don't read that Bari Weiss crap.

[Encroaching Death]

My side, are you high or something? Fuck the Times, I don't read that Bari Weiss crap.

"That wasn't real Communism!"

[Horza]

"That wasn't real Communism!"

Whatever happened with the Twitter Files anyway? Starting to seem like Musk gave up on that wet fart after he realized only Tucker and Hannity were covering it and the rest were content ignoring their ravings.

[Encroaching Death]

Whatever happened with the Twitter Files anyway? Starting to seem like Musk gave up on that wet fart after he realized only Tucker and Hannity were covering it and the rest were content ignoring their ravings.

Your side controls the media.

You're shocked they aren't talking about something that makes them look bad?

[Basanos]

"Your side" fuck's sake this guy is a dimwit

[Horza]

"Your side" fuck's sake this guy is a dimwit

What happened to my man Matt Taibbi? I don't know if he's on my side or theirs or some third faction, but that shit is making me tear up a little.

[Encroaching Death]

"Your side" fuck's sake this guy is a dimwit

no u

[Encroaching Death]

What happened to my man Matt Taibbi? I don't know if he's on my side or theirs or some third faction, but that shit is making me tear up a little.

He's a Leftist that cares about the truth.

You should learn something from him :o

[Basanos]

What happened to my man Matt Taibbi? I don't know if he's on my side or theirs or some third faction, but that shit is making me tear up a little.I have heard the name but not familiar with the work

[Horza]

He's a Leftist that cares about the truth.

You should learn something from him :o

Sounds like he got metooed, that explains the sudden pivot to the fringe right because you paste eaters are the only ones who will have him. (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-people-taibbi-idUSKBN1CX0QC)

I have heard the name but not familiar with the work

Occupy Wall Street guy.

[Encroaching Death]

Everyone in politics never believes what they claim and they're all grifters.

That's called "a politician".

I'm fairly confident Matt isn't a politician.

[Basanos]

Everyone in politics never believes what they claim and they're all grifters.

That's called "a politician".

I'm fairly confident Matt isn't a politician.Thirty six year old teenager take

[Encroaching Death]

Thirty six year old teenager take

Or someone who is paying attention's take.

All politicians are grifters who only want your money and power.

None of them actually believe what they say.

If you think otherwise, you're a foolish idiot. Pure and simple.

[Basanos]

The immature part is where you make the assumption that my criticism of your words is support of the opposite of those words

As usual, you don't take the sentiment nearly far enough and that's the issue

[Encroaching Death]

The immature part is where you make the assumption that my criticism of your words is support of the opposite of those words

As usual, you don't take the sentiment nearly far enough and that's the issue

Well you do that to me, I figured those were the rules of the game by now

[Horza]

Come on libs, this guy just wants to stop the grifters and support honest musical theater actors/right-wing political activists.

Found it, he's the one on the horse. I'm loving this new GOP.

vnE7qrz1nYg

[Basanos]

Well you do that to me, I figured those were the rules of the game by nowThis is the most cucked sentence I've seen you post yet

[Kaveh]

I have heard the name but not familiar with the work

Left winger who used to write for rolling stone and became famous, as far as I know, for covering how little was done after the financial crisis in 2008-2009 to prevent another one

No idea what he’s done since then

[Ekco]

What happened to my man Matt Taibbi? I don't know if he's on my side or theirs or some third faction

sounds like he's doing his job. i hope anyway. dude is like our generations's hunter s thompson basically

[Horza]

sounds like he's doing his job. i hope anyway. dude is like our generations's hunter s thompson basically

The guy went from speaking up for the little people to being an official mouthpiece for the wealthiest nepobaby in the world.

[Ekco]

or maybe the left literally got a lil crazy and scary for people with above room temp iq. especially in positions of authority

[Encroaching Death]

Come on libs, this guy just wants to stop the grifters and support honest musical theater actors/right-wing political activists.

Found it, he's the one on the horse. I'm loving this new GOP.

vnE7qrz1nYg

Obviously you don't see the 4D chess playing out.

Soon you will be craving free speech and lower taxes.

[Encroaching Death]

This is the most cucked sentence I've seen you post yet

Do you even know what the means?

Because you definitely use it wrong.

[Horza]

Obviously you don't see the 4D chess playing out.

Soon you will be craving free speech and lower taxes.

Imagine blowing up your career and all your professional contacts just for an amateur performance of Oklahoma!

[Basanos]

Do you even know what the means?

Because you definitely use it wrong.https://www.publicdomainpictures.net/pictures/130000/velka/nerd-smiley.jpg

[Ekco]

is that video worth watching? i assumed Horza was about to come at me hard about matt, but apparently he punted.

[Ekco]

vnE7qrz1nYg

nope, not worth. filled under too many or not enough drugs.

[Encroaching Death]

Imagine blowing up your career and all your professional contacts just for an amateur performance of Oklahoma!

OKeefe is Project Veritas.

He'll be just fine, I guarantee it.

[Encroaching Death]

nope, not worth. filled under too many or not enough drugs.

Anyone who likes showtunes/musicals automatically loses faction with me. Instantly Dubious, at least.

[Horza]

OKeefe is Project Veritas.

He'll be just fine, I guarantee it.

So then he fired himself? :confused:

[Encroaching Death]

So then he fired himself? :confused:

Well, he quit.

So sure. You could take it that way.

[aussenseiter]

Why doesn't Tromp just announce DeSoros for VP?

Take the wind out of his sails.

[Basanos]

Why doesn't Tromp just announce DeSoros for VP?

Take the wind out of his sails.Don't incept evil

[aussenseiter]

Don't incept evil

A restoration would be extremely funny and you know it.

[Duik]

The DeSantos Clause.
When im elected 47,
all of gods children will go to heaven.
Amen(stral) cycle tracking.

[Basanos]

A restoration would be extremely funny and you know it.jyaLZHiJJnE

[Encroaching Death]

The DeSantos Clause.
When im elected 47,
all of gods children will go to heaven.
Amen(stral) cycle tracking.

I know you're an Australian and you think EVERY American is a bible thumper, but DeSantis isn't that type.

[Duik]

Hahaha.
DeSantos is a politician.
All politicians dont believe what they say, ergo DeSantos will be WHATEVER HE NEEDS TO BE to be elected...

[Encroaching Death]

Hahaha.
DeSantos is a politician.
All politicians dont believe what they say, ergo DeSantos will be WHATEVER HE NEEDS TO BE to be elected...

Sure, but that doesn't mean he's a bible thumper.

You should learn a bit more about American culture if you're interested in our politics.

[Duik]

Task completed!
Use the term "to be, to be" in a sentence!
Unlocked new skill. Reredundancy.

[Encroaching Death]

Task completed!
Use the term "to be, to be" in a sentence!
Unlocked new skill. Reredundancy.

Watching all the American Pie movies doesn't make you an expert, bud.

We're deeper than that (no pun intended)

[Duik]

Does not mean he wont, or steal my fucking clause.
Us politics are easy.
The most Divisive Words, win.
Simples.

[Duik]

Ha. Never been to Banned Camp.
Pun intended.

[Encroaching Death]

Does not mean he wont, or steal my fucking clause.
Us politics are easy.
The most Divisive Words, win.
Simples.

The Democrat party doesn't use divisive words though.

[aussenseiter]

I know you're an Australian and you think EVERY American is a bible thumper, but DeSantis isn't that type.

DeSantis Preaches Armor of God (https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2022/09/12/what-message-is-desantis-sending-with-religious-full-armor-of-god-rhetoric/)

"Put on the full armor of God. Stand firm against the left’s schemes. You will face flaming arrows, but if you have the shield of faith, you will overcome them, and in Florida we walk the line here,” DeSantis told the audience at Hillsdale College in February. “And I can tell you this, I have only begun to fight."

[Duik]

Would you like salt on your foot mate?

[Encroaching Death]

That's not proof of being a bible thumper

While visiting a private Christian college

[aussenseiter]

That's not proof of being a bible thumper

Ephesians 6:11 (https://bible.usccb.org/bible/ephesians/6)

Put on the armor of God so that you may be able to stand firm against the tactics of the devil.

[Encroaching Death]

Ephesians 6:11 (https://bible.usccb.org/bible/ephesians/6)

And?

You don't think he researched that before talking with Christians?

Just like Hillary and her hot sauce when talking with black people

[aussenseiter]

And?

You don't think he researched that before talking with Christians?

Just like Hillary and her hot sauce when talking with black people

:o

[Trexller]

Ephesians 6:11 (https://bible.usccb.org/bible/ephesians/6)

stats on god armor? level reqs?

can you equip the BP so i can see its graphic before i buy it?

[Encroaching Death]

DeSantis is a Paladin for sure though

[aussenseiter]

DeSantis is a Paladin for sure though

Just the same as Hillary, apparently. :confused:

[Horza]

This guy seriously arguing DeSantis isn't a bible thumper while he shuts down every public school library in the state?

[Duik]

DeSantos literally did what i described.
While at an electoral college influential christian school, did what he thought it would take to get votes.
Wow. Clutch harder boy.

[Duik]

Oops, double post. Maaaaadz i am.

[Trexller]

you still have time to delete, click the edit button

[Encroaching Death]

Caught you in a triple post.

Checkmate, libtard :cool:

[Kaveh]

Can a dumb ass Australian be a libtard? I call them non-voting cannon fodder

[Trexller]

Page 4000

has any other thread gone this far?

[Jobaber]

nope politics is the undoing of every group of people lol

[aussenseiter]

Page 4000

has any other thread gone this far?

Hey that's true. The old thread only made it to page 3771.

[Trexller]

Hey that's true. The old thread only made it to page 3771.

The 40,000th post in the i dont care about politics anymore thread ^

[Horza]

Hey that's true. The old thread only made it to page 3771.

What alt account is Teppler posting with these days?

[Encroaching Death]

Can a dumb ass Australian be a libtard? I call them non-voting cannon fodder

He's probably getting mauled by a pack of Magpies while havin a ciggy mate

j58V2vC9EPc

[Basanos]

Check it out, it's the leftist equivalent of a Project Veritas mockumentary. This person's channel is like my nightmares

_XRoEWwxOrA

[booter]

it's an intentional dogwhistle. vague enough for plausible deniability but in the ballpark enough for the hard r racists to pick up on it. to act like it isn't is foolish

prob quoting this way too late bc i just drive-by-post these days but it's meaningless either way

99% of you "people" on this subforum and specifically this thread are too busy fighting a manufactured culture war. wake me up when you are ready to fight the class war

until then i'm just watching monkeys fling poo