the i dont care about politics anymore thread

[Botten]

America dropped 26,171 bombs in 2016. What a bloody end to Obama's reign.

Judging from Trump’s embrace of the use of air power — the signature tactic of U.S. military intervention — he is the most hawkish president in modern history. Under Trump, the United States has dropped about 20,650 bombs through July 31, or 80 percent the number dropped under Obama for the entirety of 2016.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/09/donald-trump-is-dropping-bombs-at-unprecedented-levels/

[Jibartik]

Calling Trump the most hawkish military president in modern history is the most stupid way to show your hand.

[Whale biologist]

Politics as Sport (https://twitter.com/HowardMortman/status/1443373549188751361)

[starkind]

All of you are waygayer than this dude.

https://i.imgur.com/7ugZXTK.jpg

Lew-el. Aka lwl if ur pro smtk.

[Jibartik]

The only value i can see to this complete decay of american society is that we might have batman.

Before any of you say Im being hyprbolic go read the news. Employment is done, the numbers show it's not getting better, people dont even care they just are not going to work.

People just dont even care about life anymore lol

They just dont care. Crime is still up pre pandemic levels, not going down.

Schools are basically going to just close down in a year or 2 mark my words lol

It is only a mater of time before my vision comes into full effect. Will it be 7 years? will it be 9? will it be less than that?

It could be any, but the end is nigh.

[starkind]

The only value i can see to this complete decay of american society is that we might have batman.

Before any of you say Im being hyprbolic go read the news. Employment is done, the numbers show it's not getting better, people dont even care they just are not going to work.

People just dont even care about life anymore lol

They just dont care. Crime is still up pre pandemic levels, not going down.

Schools are basically going to just close down in a year or 2 mark my words lol

It is only a mater of time before my vision comes into full effect. Will it be 7 years? will it be 9? will it be less than that?

It could be any, but the end is nigh.

I hope you're not just doomsaying and stressing yourself out. There's plenty of mountain tops and ur bad ass af. You got this.

Plus imma impress the aliens with my aesthetique and mineceaft bases.

[Jibartik]

No I am just depressed people are trying to pretend like their guy is the good guy and the other side is the bad guy and sick of waiting and reminding myself that it is inevitable and can relax.

Also this is the first time in my life I have looked at the country and thought, "yeah a batman would be handy now"

Just putting that down on my personal list of "signs you cannot deny"

We live in a country where our airports and a local carnival are indistinguishable from each other.

[starkind]

No I am just depressed people are trying to pretend like their guy is the good guy and the other side is the bad guy and sick of waiting and reminding myself that it is inevitable and can relax.

Lol. You're right.

Take entertainment in it some.

I'm sorta glad I wasn't born with some stoopid pedigree and either a dog, pony, or both in this show. Otherwise I wouldn't see it either.

Now is the time to relax. For sure.

[Jibartik]

I know that the vaccine is not the Mark of the beast but I do know that we have made it the Mark of the beast.

We will be our own destruction.

[starkind]

Ya, I agree with ur edit. Lol.

Always hated the actual flight part. Airports r fun af tho.

[Jibartik]

I literally used to have a philosophy for my entire life, you could be as rude as you want to someone in an airport because they’re never gonna hit you because they don’t want to be branded a terrorist.

You cannot do that anymore! Society has gotten to a point where either we have all figured that out or it’s just on the brink of collapse.

When they were dragging people off of airplanes I thought it was the end now we’re dragging each other off lol

[Horza]

Doomsaying is basically all Jib has left after his rape daddy badly lost to Sleepy Joe.

[Jibartik]

I was super anti trump while he was president and you were my best little lacky bitch boi side kick.

No actually it was the pandemic that did it not your sports game that you care about that I dont.

But people being like you and saying things like that is all part of my vision. So laugh it up fuzzball.

And before you pretend like this wasnt you when your rape mommy lost, don't.

https://i.imgur.com/IqcHt06.png

[Horza]

You should really start taking your pills if you're having visions again.

[Jibartik]

I like the music in this video it's kind of like MMO music. Imagine running through a cool world listening to that music fighting big chickens.

piPzfseZCoM

[Ooloo]

Great video demonstrating how white liberals are condescendingly racist toward black people with regard to voter ID laws: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JGmKHrWKMQ

Prediction: Somebody will point out that this is on Fox News' youtube channel and completely disregard the content of the video.

[Mesocyclone]

No/very few good movies or songs ever come out anymore because who wants to sign their lives over to a fuckin' cult? 0 Talent in film and music anymore the talent wants no part of it. The cult movies of today are all dark and depressing I cant bear their shit.

[unsunghero]

No/very few good movies or songs ever come out anymore because who wants to sign their lives over to a fuckin' cult? 0 Talent in film and music anymore the talent wants no part of it. The cult movies of today are all dark and depressing I cant bear their shit.

Ya all the best stuff already came out in the 80’s and 90’s

[Botten]

Great video demonstrating how white liberals are condescendingly racist toward black people with regard to voter ID laws: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JGmKHrWKMQ

Prediction: Somebody will point out that this is on Fox News' youtube channel and completely disregard the content of the video.

seriously... most cities have more minorities.

Many many many citizens in major cities don't have driver's licenses or passports.

[Horza]

seriously... most city have more minorities.

Many many many citizens in major cities don't have driver's licenses or passports.

Fox News and other right-wing media tell them exactly what to think about minorities.

[Mesocyclone]

Think Dog will catch Dirty Laundrie before the FBI does?

[Jibartik]

Dog the bounty hunter the first real Batman?

[Whale biologist]

Great video demonstrating how white liberals are condescendingly racist toward black people with regard to voter ID laws: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JGmKHrWKMQ

Prediction: Somebody will point out that this is on Fox News' youtube channel and completely disregard the content of the video.

Okay, now reconcile your support for voting papers with your opposition to vaccine papers. :p

Prediction: Doug will say the H word.

[Jibartik]

Call vaccine papers what they are: self fulfilling prophecy papers :o

[starkind]

Just incase anyone missed it. (https://i.imgur.com/tCeq9YF.mp4)

[Gatordash]

What happened to all the GOP is blocking the debt limit posts?

Its like all that needed to happen was democrats decouple their socialist policies from it an it got passed in a few hours.

https://www.kron4.com/news/national/congress-passes-bill-to-avert-partial-government-shutdown/https://www.kron4.com/news/national/congress-passes-bill-to-avert-partial-government-shutdown/

[Whale biologist]

What happened to all the GOP is blocking the debt limit posts?

Its like all that needed to happen was democrats decouple their socialist policies from it an it got passed in a few hours.

https://www.kron4.com/news/national/congress-passes-bill-to-avert-partial-government-shutdown/https://www.kron4.com/news/national/congress-passes-bill-to-avert-partial-government-shutdown/

Debt limit != Government shutdown

[Botten]

What happened to all the GOP is blocking the debt limit posts?

Its like all that needed to happen was democrats decouple their socialist policies from it an it got passed in a few hours.



it is like your article is arguing with your statement

https://www.kron4.com/news/national/congress-passes-bill-to-avert-partial-government-shutdown/

"Schumer said he would bring the measure to the Senate floor, but the bill is almost certain to be blocked by a Republican filibuster."

Problem still seems to be the Republicans.

This makes your republicans the really issue.

[Horza]

What happened to all the GOP is blocking the debt limit posts?

Its like all that needed to happen was democrats decouple their socialist policies from it an it got passed in a few hours.

https://www.kron4.com/news/national/congress-passes-bill-to-avert-partial-government-shutdown/https://www.kron4.com/news/national/congress-passes-bill-to-avert-partial-government-shutdown/

All they did was push the deadline back for a couple months, it's not really a long-term solution.

[Ooloo]

Okay, now reconcile your support for voting papers with your opposition to vaccine papers. :p

Prediction: Doug will say the H word.

Lol "voting papers".

Why yes, it makes total sense that you need to show an ID to buy many products, go to a rated R movie, fly, leave the country, enter the country, rent a car, open a bank account, or buy a gun.

But electing the next president of the US? Nahhh, no ID required. Democrats somehow believe that not requiring an ID to vote makes elections more secure.... think about that. Really think about that.

80% of black voters support voter ID. You are actively opposed to their wishes. Why are you racist?

[unsunghero]

I love the argument of “well we don’t have evidence of a lot of illegals getting caught voting, therefore illegals don’t ever try to vote”

Or maybe you just suck at catching them? “The trap I never set in the woods has never caught any rabbits, therefore there are no rabbits in the woods”

[Whale biologist]

Lol "voting papers".

Why yes, it makes total sense that you need to show an ID to buy many products, go to a rated R movie, fly, leave the country, enter the country, rent a car, open a bank account, or buy a gun.

But electing the next president of the US? Nahhh, no ID required. Democrats somehow believe that not requiring an ID to vote makes elections more secure.... think about that. Really think about that.

80% of black voters support voter ID. You are actively opposed to their wishes. Why are you racist?

None of which are rights enumerated in the US Constitution.

Unlike voting. :rolleyes:

[Ooloo]

Proving who you are to vote for the next president: Makes sense.

Proving you have a vaccine that you might not even really need to buy shoes at the mall or whatever: Does not make sense.

See? They are different things. It's not hard to "reconcile" them.

[Ooloo]

None of which are rights enumerated in the US Constitution.

Unlike voting. :rolleyes:

Yes, legal US citizens have the right to vote. Random people who happen to be in the US illegally do not. See the difference? It's the same reason I can't just go on vacation to Italy or whatever and vote in their elections, or any other country.

Seriously, WHY be opposed to this? You have absolutely no argument, at all. It's just a party line orthodoxy that you aren't brave enough to oppose.

[Horza]

Yes, legal US citizens have the right to vote. Random people who happen to be in the US illegally do not. See the difference? It's the same reason I can't just go on vacation to Italy or whatever and vote in their elections, or any other country.

Seriously, WHY be opposed to this? You have absolutely no argument, at all. It's just a party line orthodoxy that you aren't brave enough to oppose.

Republicans don't usually operate on good faith, such as Georgia legislators making it illegal to give people water because of voter ID.

[Whale biologist]

Yes, legal US citizens have the right to vote. Random people who happen to be in the US illegally do not. See the difference? It's the same reason I can't just go on vacation to Italy or whatever and vote in their elections, or any other country.

Seriously, WHY be opposed to this? You have absolutely no argument, at all. It's just a party line orthodoxy that you aren't brave enough to oppose.

Weird attempt at a pivot.

I just don't want to, as a citizen, to have to show my papers to the Stasi. :)

[Ooloo]

Weird attempt at a pivot.

I just don't want to, as a citizen, to have to show my papers to the Stasi. :)

Well then I assume you must oppose all situations when showing ID is required? I mean, why even have ID's at all? Your logic is completely incoherent and falls apart under even cursory scrutiny.

[Ooloo]

Republicans don't usually operate on good faith, such as Georgia legislators making it illegal to give people water because of voter ID.

That never happened, you are simply wrong sorry Horza.

You also, as always, completely dodged the central question: Why should we have to show ID for ANYTHING if we don't have to show it to elect the next president, which some might say is more important than buying beer?

[Horza]

I love the argument of “well we don’t have evidence of a lot of illegals getting caught voting, therefore illegals don’t ever try to vote”

Or maybe you just suck at catching them? “The trap I never set in the woods has never caught any rabbits, therefore there are no rabbits in the woods”

Who needs evidence of any real crimes when you retards will just believe anything Trump says?

[Jibartik]

I just don't want to, as a citizen, to have to show my papers to the Stasi. :)

This is like saying you dont want to vaccine because freedom when you already wear your seatbelt.

It's not crazy/racist to ask for voter ID, it's just not.

I'm not arguing for or against it, but it is basically like saying wearing clothes is authoritarian right.

[Ooloo]

Who needs evidence of any real crimes when you retards will just believe anything Trump says?

Trump is not the president anymore, please let it go and seek therapy.

You have to show ID to buy beer, because those under age 21 cannot legally buy beer.

You have to show ID to vote for the next president, because those who are not legal US citizens cannot vote for the next president.

What is wrong with any of that? Nothing. Desperate attempts to compare this to "showing papers" ala nazi germany is so fucking retarded and ridiculous. You guys are smarter than this, I know you are.

[Gatordash]

All they did was push the deadline back for a couple months, it's not really a long-term solution.

This has been the long term solution since 2008. We don't do budgets anymore. Just keep printing money and tack on another 8%.

[Gatordash]

it is like your article is arguing with your statement

https://www.kron4.com/news/national/congress-passes-bill-to-avert-partial-government-shutdown/

"Schumer said he would bring the measure to the Senate floor, but the bill is almost certain to be blocked by a Republican filibuster."

Problem still seems to be the Republicans.

This makes your republicans the really issue.

Yes the democrat leader in the Senate is going to blame the republicans even though they have enough democrats to pass it without one republican vote.

[Whale biologist]

Well then I assume you must oppose all situations when showing ID is required? I mean, why even have ID's at all? Your logic is completely incoherent and falls apart under even cursory scrutiny.

Again, not Constitutional rights. Keep up tiger. 🐯

[Gravydoo II]

It just so happens that to get an ID, you may have to go to a DMV. Guess where republicans shut down the most DMV's? In area's where the poor, poc, and democrats live. So its either racist, classism, or political. Just so happens that if you live in a city and dont use a car, you probably wont have a drivers license. If you're 18, living in a city, and your DMV is 20 miles away, you probably wont have an ID.

You need a birth certificate, 2 forms of mail to your home address, SSN card, and who know what else. A lot of people simply dont have those.

So why isnt writing your name, address, SSN, DOB, and literally all your personal info under penalty of fraud (up to 5 years in prison) NOT GOOD ENOUGH, but if you have it on a card, THEN write it down, its now good enough.

It just is racist.

How is that not good enough?? Who you are down to your SSN, address, phone number, all that shit. Literally telling them "this is where you find me if im lying" then signing it, thats not good enough. If you have it on a plastic card, then fill out the exact same into, its now good enough.


Thats really fucking stupid, to me.

[Horza]

Trump is not the president anymore, please let it go and seek therapy.

You have to show ID to buy beer, because those under age 21 cannot legally buy beer.

You have to show ID to vote for the next president, because those who are not legal US citizens cannot vote for the next president.

What is wrong with any of that? Nothing. Desperate attempts to compare this to "showing papers" ala nazi germany is so fucking retarded and ridiculous. You guys are smarter than this, I know you are.

You're looking for a solution to a problem that simply doesn't exist, Trump's own FBI director said the last election was the most secure ever.Yes the democrat leader in the Senate is going to blame the republicans even though they have enough democrats to pass it without one republican vote.

This is false, they still need 10 more votes to break the Republican filibuster.

[Jibartik]

Again, not Constitutional rights. Keep up tiger. 🐯

Out of curiosity, how do you justify the difference between asking me to walk somewhere to vote and asking me to bring voter ID?

[Whale biologist]

Yes the democrat leader in the Senate is going to blame the republicans even though they have enough democrats to pass it without one republican vote.

They do! But only under reconciliation. :eek:

And now you know the game afoot.

[Whale biologist]

Out of curiosity, how do you justify the difference between asking me to walk somewhere to vote and asking me to bring voter ID?

Apples and Planet Nibiru, jib.

[Gatordash]

You're looking for a solution to a problem that simply doesn't exist, Trump's own FBI director said the last election was the most secure ever.

This is false, they still need 10 more votes to break the Republican filibuster.

Not if they label it as infrastructure and pass it with the continuing resolution then they only need a majority which is why sending checks to people with children is labeled as "family infrastructure" or whatever bullshit they are calling it.

[Jibartik]

Apples and Planet Nibiru, jib.

Not really, why is asking me to travel some where not an infringement of my rights while obtaining an ID isnt?

I could travel somewhere. I could get an ID.

There's nothing stopping me from traveling somewhere, or getting an ID.

Why does asking someone to get into a vehicle and take time away from work, not asking too much while an ID is, please explain.

[Gravydoo II]

How did they even have elections at all when ID's were not common place? We're been having them for like 300 years.. Only in the past 2 decades, when voter fraud has been at its lowest ever, do republicans now say "EVERYONE MUST SHOW ID!! " well unless you get mail in ballots, or absentee ballots... those are ok to get without ID... but if you vote in person!!! lol fucking idiots.

[Jibartik]

How did they even have elections at all when ID's were not common place? We're been having them for like 300 years.. Only in the past 2 decades, when voter fraud has been at its lowest ever, do republicans now say "EVERYONE MUST SHOW ID!! " well unless you get mail in ballots, or absentee ballots... those are ok to get without ID... but if you vote in person!!! lol fucking idiots.

What is this argument you are making? That we should go back to horse and buggies because they were perfectly fine means of conveyance?

[Gravydoo II]

Thats the dumbest shit EVER.

Where are all these illegals voting???

So they write down their SSN, oh wait they dont have one... birth certificate oh wait they dont have one.. address, to tell the cops where to find them with all their info on it, then turn it in, for it not to be counted, because they have no SSN..

Where the fuck is this happening??? Name one time this has happened. Just once.

[Whale biologist]

Not really, why is asking me to travel some where not an infringement of my rights while obtaining an ID isnt?

I could travel somewhere. I could get an ID.

There's nothing stopping me from traveling somewhere, or getting an ID.

Why does asking someone to get into a vehicle and take time away from work, not asking too much while an ID is, please explain.

I'm puzzled on how that makes sense to you, but hey it sounds like you're agitating for an expansion of the franchise.

LIBerate the planet!

[Jibartik]

I'm puzzled on how that makes sense to you but hey it sounds like you're agitating for an expansion of the franchise.

LIBerate the planet!

No i really dont understand how like, people draw the lines at barriers of entry for voting.

There are all kinds of barriers of entry as it is right now.

Just tell me how requiring me to register to vote is not an infringement of my rights but requiring me to show an ID is?



Saying you refuse to show ID to vote because freedom is like saying you refuse to wear a seatbelt or wont get a vaccine because freedom!

It's being like, you know what I always a say: different side, same behavior.

[Gravydoo II]

Nobody said that at all, retard. Not one sentence in there indicated that horse and buggies should come back.

Only someone with a severe reading comprehension problem or learning disability would get "horse and buggie" out of that.

[Whale biologist]

No i really dont understand how like, people draw the lines at barriers of entry for voting.

There are all kinds of barriers of entry as it is right now.

Just tell me how requiring me to register to vote is not an infringement of my rights but requiring me to show an ID is?



Saying you refuse to show ID to vote because freedom is like saying you refuse to wear a seatbelt or wont get a vaccine because freedom!

It's being like, you know what I always a say: different side, same behavior.

I support your right to vote from Mars, dude. :p

[Gatordash]

Nobody said that at all, retard. Not one sentence in there indicated that horse and buggies should come back.

Only someone with a severe reading comprehension problem or learning disability would get "horse and buggie" out of that.

Maybe this is on me but I legit don't understand what is wrong with absentee ballots and why they worked for so long but now they restrict voting rights.

That shit just shows up in my mailbox. I don't think I've ever asked for one.

[Jibartik]

Nobody said that at all, retard. Not one sentence in there indicated that horse and buggies should come back.

Only someone with a severe reading comprehension problem or learning disability would get "horse and buggie" out of that.

Im telling you, you're being a luddite, we can have a better voting system.

Youre like literally saying NO why WOULD WE, you coudl VOTE in the PAST so why cant you NOW!?!?

[Gravydoo II]

They draw the line at when you write down your SSN, address, name, DOB, phone number, and all other pertinent information about yourself. Then, they check it against the city records to see if you're lying or not. Then they charge you with voter fraud.

See how that works??? See how there was no horse and buggie??

Oh maybe they should write it with a feather dipped in ink because i think im clever but come off as fucking stupid... jib you're really disappointing me.

[Jibartik]

hey dipshits 4chan can track who a user is without a traceable system we could do the same for voting I swear to god you people are dumber than the evangelicals were in the 80s

[Horza]

Jib is a cranky Trump retard today.

[Gravydoo II]

You are aware they dont just take you at your word, correct??? Every vote is checked. They do it with this machine, its called a computer. You see, they can SCAN the info off the ballot, then the computer machine will search the city/county database. If you're not voting in your district, your vote wont even count.

Tell me where its a problem, first of all. Just one place that voter fraud is a problem. Name a city, state, something. The great heart of darkness for voter fraud.. Where is it?

I thought conservatives dont like change.. unless it hurts black people, then they are all about changing shit.

[Jibartik]

I am lol

[Whale biologist]

hey dipshits 4chan can track who a user is without a traceable system we could do the same for voting I swear to god you people are dumber than the evangelicals were in the 80s

Hodlgang? :confused:

[Jibartik]

You are aware they dont just take you at your word, correct??? Every vote is checked. They do it with this machine, its called a computer. You see, they can SCAN the info off the ballot, then the computer machine will search the city/county database. If you're not voting in your district, your vote wont even count.

Tell me where its a problem, first of all. Just one place that voter fraud is a problem. Name a city, state, something. The great heart of darkness for voter fraud.. Where is it?

I thought conservatives dont like change.. unless it hurts black people, then they are all about changing shit.

stop trying to explain things because you cant even understand a basic metaphor.

[Jibartik]

I should be able to vot eonline, i should be able to vot eon my phone i should be able to vote via mail I should be able to see when my vote was counted I should be able to see what computer ID counted it all of these things are possible with anonymity I should be able to see and do all these things but the evangelical religious nutjobs that make up the left think all that is witchcraft.

[unsunghero]

It just so happens that to get an ID, you may have to go to a DMV. Guess where republicans shut down the most DMV's? In area's where the poor, poc, and democrats live. So its either racist, classism, or political. Just so happens that if you live in a city and dont use a car, you probably wont have a drivers license. If you're 18, living in a city, and your DMV is 20 miles away, you probably wont have an ID.

You need a birth certificate, 2 forms of mail to your home address, SSN card, and who know what else. A lot of people simply dont have those.

So why isnt writing your name, address, SSN, DOB, and literally all your personal info under penalty of fraud (up to 5 years in prison) NOT GOOD ENOUGH, but if you have it on a card, THEN write it down, its now good enough.

It just is racist.

How is that not good enough?? Who you are down to your SSN, address, phone number, all that shit. Literally telling them "this is where you find me if im lying" then signing it, thats not good enough. If you have it on a plastic card, then fill out the exact same into, its now good enough.


Thats really fucking stupid, to me.

You should look up what you need to vote in your former state of CA. Social? Think again. Let’s take a look:

“In most cases, a California voter is not required to show identification to a polling place worker before casting a ballot.

However, if you are voting for the first time after registering to vote by mail and did not provide your driver license number, California identification number or the last four digits of your social security number on your registration form, you may be asked to show a form of identification when you go to the polls. In this case, be sure to bring identification with you to your polling place or include a copy of it with your vote-by-mail ballot. A copy of a recent utility bill, the sample ballot booklet you received from your county elections office or another document sent to you by a government agency are examples of acceptable forms of identification”

https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/voting-resources/voting-california/what-bring

A utility bill works. No social. No ID

[Gatordash]

Republicans are playing chicken with a complete economic meltdown while blocking a simple majority vote on the issue, but it's interesting you guys didn't have an issue raising the debt limit to pay for the last administration's incredibly wasteful tax cuts.

Once democrats get everyone on the same page they will pass it at 1.5 trillion or whatever instead of the 3.5 trillion and the debt ceiling will get raised. Senators in states like Pennsylvania, Arizona, Georgia, and West Virginia just need to be able say they reduced the spending so they have a chance at getting re-elected in their swing state because if they don't they are losing their seat to a republican come midterms.

The whole republican blocking thing is so CNN and Biden can get dumb people to think its someone elses fault.

And republican's aren't voting for it so when inflation is even higher next year they can say its democrat spending's fault even though if it was reversed they would do the same thing.

[Gravydoo II]

Do you even know what a voter roll is??? Do you even know how voter registration works, at all??? Any idea why they do that...? Just take a stab at it.

Why would they want to KEEP the records of people who registered to vote??? (meaning, they already submitted their name, address, SSN, DOB, phone number, etc with the county/state under penalty of perjury/fraud.

Just tell me why that would happen.. Why would they do that??????????????????

[Whale biologist]

Republicans are playing chicken with a complete economic meltdown while blocking a simple majority vote on the issue, but it's interesting you guys didn't have an issue raising the debt limit to pay for the last administration's incredibly wasteful tax cuts.

Filibuster-proof majority. Dems are closer to simple with what Gator calls a budget resolution (reconciliation).

[Whale biologist]

I should be able to vot eonline, i should be able to vot eon my phone i should be able to vote via mail I should be able to see when my vote was counted I should be able to see what computer ID counted it all of these things are possible with anonymity I should be able to see and do all these things but the evangelical religious nutjobs that make up the left think all that is witchcraft.

I can track my ballot online in vote-by-mail WA. It's mildly interesting.

[Jibartik]

I want to start a new political party called death to america.

We will run like a regular party, but the platform is when we are elected we will burn every institution we can to the ground we will write money to insane charities and do everything within our legal rights to rail road this country into the god damn ground.

I would just like to see our candidates. That'd be enough for me, let alone listen to them.

"If I am elected I will take every pension in the city and bonfire it in the street like the joker" - A. Candidate.

[Gravydoo II]

You should look up what you need to vote in your former state of CA. Social? Think again. Let’s take a look:

“In most cases, a California voter is not required to show identification to a polling place worker before casting a ballot.

However, if you are voting for the first time after registering to vote by mail and DID NOT provide your driver license number, California identification number or the last four digits of your social security number on your registration form, you may be asked to show a form of identification when you go to the polls. ”

https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/voting-resources/voting-california/what-bring

A utility bill works. No social. No ID

You know why??? Do you know what voter registration is and voter rolls?? You know what those are???

Come on, this is an easy one.

Why would they keep the info you PREVIOUSLY submitted, meaning before you voted, then check it again, after you voted???

(maybe to check and see if you're lying, if two people tried to use/enter that info)

So how do you register to get power with your power company?? Do you just call up and say "im no name mcnoname, I want power." then thats all the info they take??

God damn its like you guys cant see past the fucking screen infront of you..

Just say it. We know you hate when black people, mexicans, and any non-upper middle class whites get a say in government.


This is too fucking stupid. Fuck all of you.

[Whale biologist]

Once democrats get everyone on the same page they will pass it at 1.5 trillion or whatever instead of the 3.5 trillion and the debt ceiling will get raised. Senators in states like Pennsylvania, Arizona, Georgia, and West Virginia just need to be able say they reduced the spending so they have a chance at getting re-elected in their swing state because if they don't they are losing their seat to a republican come midterms.

The whole republican blocking thing is so CNN and Biden can get dumb people to think its someone elses fault.

And republican's aren't voting for it so when inflation is even higher next year they can say its democrat spending's fault even though if it was reversed they would do the same thing.

Both bills together add up to 3 or 4T. They're doing BiF and Dem-only for some reason. Strongjaw wants around 2T on the second, first is already agreed to.

[unsunghero]

Do you even know what a voter roll is??? Do you even know how voter registration works, at all??? Any idea why they do that...? Just take a stab at it.

Why would they want to KEEP the records of people who registered to vote??? (meaning, they already submitted their name, address, SSN, DOB, phone number, etc with the county/state under penalty of perjury/fraud.

Just tell me why that would happen.. Why would they do that??????????????????

Let’s go over it again. Let’s try reading the bold portion:

“However, if you are voting for the first time after registering to vote by mail and did not provide your driver license number, California identification number or the last four digits of your social security number on your registration form, you may be asked to show a form of identification when you go to the polls”

[Horza]

I want to start a new political party called death to america.

That's enough of the forums for me for the afternoon.

Once democrats get everyone on the same page they will pass it at 1.5 trillion or whatever instead of the 3.5 trillion and the debt ceiling will get raised. Senators in states like Pennsylvania, Arizona, Georgia, and West Virginia just need to be able say they reduced the spending so they have a chance at getting re-elected in their swing state because if they don't they are losing their seat to a republican come midterms.

The whole republican blocking thing is so CNN and Biden can get dumb people to think its someone elses fault.

And republican's aren't voting for it so when inflation is even higher next year they can say its democrat spending's fault even though if it was reversed they would do the same thing.

Schumer has already ruled out using reconciliation to raise the debt ceiling.

[Jibartik]

That's enough of the forums for me for the afternoon.

hey it's the squad's mantra and you love them :p

[unsunghero]

You know why??? Do you know what voter registration is and voter rolls?? You know what those are???

Come on, this is an easy one.

Why would they keep the info you PREVIOUSLY submitted, meaning before you voted, then check it again, after you voted???

(maybe to check and see if you're lying, if two people tried to use/enter that info)

So how do you register to get power with your power company?? Do you just call up and say "im no name mcnoname, I want power." then thats all the info they take??

God damn its like you guys cant see past the fucking screen infront of you..

Just say it. We know you hate when black people, mexicans, and any non-upper middle class whites get a say in government.


This is too fucking stupid. Fuck all of you.

For months I was getting bills for 3 different people who have lived at my house before I bought it. Some lady who’s first name is Nancy, I got a ton of her shit

[Gatordash]

Both bills together add up to 3 or 4T. They're doing BiF and Dem-only for some reason. Strongjaw wants around 2T on the second, first is already agreed to.

Right, the one that is agreed to is 1 trillion. The second one with all the social programs is 3.5 trillion. So its over 4 trillion together if Biden gets his way, which they are coming to the realization he won't.

[Whale biologist]

Let’s go over it again. Let’s try reading the bold portion:

“However, if you are voting for the first time after registering to vote by mail and did not provide your driver license number, California identification number or the last four digits of your social security number on your registration form, you may be asked to show a form of identification when you go to the polls”

For the purpose of this act - ahem, Commiefornia.

[Gravydoo II]

I want to start a new political party called death to america.

We will run like a regular party, but the platform is when we are elected we will burn every institution we can to the ground we will write money to insane charities and do everything within our legal rights to rail road this country into the god damn ground.

I would just like to see our candidates. That'd be enough for me, let alone listen to them.

"If I am elected I will take every pension in the city and bonfire it in the street like the joker" - A. Candidate.

Thats called the republican party.

Break the government, get kicked out of office for it, blame it all on the next guy while you run for the next office. Get into the drivers seat, spend ALL the money, run up ALL the debt, shit all over the deficit, start a war, give enormous tax breaks to your friends and donors (effectively shrinking the governments chauffer's, less intake, less spending. more borrowing is necessary the next day because you just took X amount of billions or trillions from the tax system. Its now short on its own bills. )

Go look at how Kansas and Alabama are run. They break the government on purpose. Then point to it and say "look what OBAMA did!!" or biden in this case..

You're all too fucking stupid to even understand what happened in Kansas what am I thinking...

[unsunghero]

For the purpose of this act - ahem, Commiefornia.

I like the stress of “UNDER PENALTY OF FRAUD” when in the back of my mind I’m thinking this is Cali, more like “under penalty of we don’t give a shit”

But I’m jaded

[Whale biologist]

Right, the one that is agreed to is 1 trillion. The second one with all the social programs is 3.5 trillion. So its over 4 trillion together if Biden gets his way, which they are coming to the realization he won't.

Which is sorta what McConnell is up to - leveraging them to come down on the Dems package. He wants more spending than the BiF but the base won't stand for it.

He got game. We won't default.

[Horza]

I like the stress of “UNDER PENALTY OF FRAUD” when in the back of my mind I’m thinking this is Cali, more like “under penalty of we don’t give a shit”

But I’m jaded

Jaded or just too much Fox News?

[unsunghero]

Jaded or just too much Fox News?

Oh ya cause California is just itching to investigate, prosecute, and deport a bunch of illegals. I’m sure they look REEEEAAL hard into evidence of illegal activity from illegals. They are like the Gestapo when it comes to prosecuting illegals

Lol

[Horza]

Oh ya cause California is just itching to investigate, prosecute, and deport a bunch of illegals. I’m sure they look REEEEAAL hard into evidence of illegal activity from illegals. They are like the Gestapo when ut comes to prosecuting illegals

Lol

Republicans are so triggered by our biggest and wealthiest state lol

[unsunghero]

Republicans are so triggered by our biggest and wealthiest state lol

Speaking of deportations, you still a Biden worshipper?

“Despite Biden's characterization of Obama's mass deportations as a "mistake" and pledge to usher in a more humane immigration system, United We Dream estimates that the administration has deported just over 300,000 people since January—largely using a Trump-era policy called Title 42”
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/04/27/300000-deported-first-100-days-rights-group-warns-biden-well-track-repeat-obama

Keep that in mind while you shill away for him

Great job Biden! Keep up the great work!

[Whale biologist]

I wanna see your papers guys.

Are you AKC or a freeborn mutt of the USA? 🇺🇲

[starkind]

What if the power elites just want to use you as human shields against God's angels when they return?

[Jibartik]

If i cant vote in the nude then what are we even voting for here?

[JurisDictum]

Once democrats get everyone on the same page they will pass it at 1.5 trillion or whatever instead of the 3.5 trillion and the debt ceiling will get raised. Senators in states like Pennsylvania, Arizona, Georgia, and West Virginia just need to be able say they reduced the spending so they have a chance at getting re-elected in their swing state because if they don't they are losing their seat to a republican come midterms.

The whole republican blocking thing is so CNN and Biden can get dumb people to think its someone elses fault.

And republican's aren't voting for it so when inflation is even higher next year they can say its democrat spending's fault even though if it was reversed they would do the same thing.

Spot about the debt ceiling. This has been happening like every two years. "Oh no America is going to default!" It was a bad norm established by Tea Party Republicans as a way to pressure centrist Republicans.

The stuff with the Congress is actually a lot more disturbing. The entire democratic party appears to be ready to pass these bills. The exception is 2 senators who are openly linked to the industries that want the bill to die.

Joe Manchin likes to put on a show, and that's all to be expected. However, there is no evidence that West Virgina supports Manchin's conservative policies. They favored the minimum wage increase that Manchin was instrumental in killing, for example. The show is for his donors, not his voters. It's also an easy excuse for corporate democrats. "We wanted to pass the bill but that dratted Joe Manchin bested us again." He's the fall guy and they like him.

Kyrsten Sinema is a different story. She was elected like 5 minutes ago, but is demanding the bills be separated so she can have one without the other. Unlike Manchin -- there is no track record to go on here, no insider relationships etc. She won't even articulate her problems with the bill in private.

Here is a write up on some of this: https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2021/09/sinema-leveraging-slim-majority-powerhouse-fundraising-hardball-spending/
Despite having similar sway in the Senate, Sinema’s financial support topped Manchin’s in the 2020 election cycle. Neither Manchin nor Sinema were up for reelection in 2020 and will face reelection in 2024, yet Sinema brought in a hefty $3.4 million between 2019 and 2020 and Manchin raised $718,000 in the same time period. Sinema was the 17th highest funded Democrat in the Senate in the last election cycle.

That's a creepy about of money for someone this new to DC. Meanwhile, the people that got her elected in Arizona are already starting to raise money and groundswell to have her primaried. The Democratic Party has been putting the screws on her through their contacts with with the state legislature -- which can even get her recalled. She, normally protected by leftwing media, is now getting a lot of criticism.

This doesn't look like a brilliant DC political maneuver if you want to stay in the Senate. It really only makes sense with the assumption that she has been promised a lot in the private sector after she tanks this bill.

She is an avatar of everything wrong with modern democratic party -- with basically no redeeming qualities. She is super woke, and guilty of calling sexism every time she is criticized. Meanwhile, she basically agrees with McConnel on fiscal policy. It's all about the debt (when its for you -- not me). She represents just one more step toward tearing down any semblance that representatives are anything except corporate fundraisers that go with the highest bidder.

[Jibartik]

I do agree that the debt ceiling is like north korea and all talk but then again I wonder what is up with the like debt to gdp being an issue and that's a new thing. Surely that number has to mean doomsday right?

[Whale biologist]

WV went from Trump+41 in 2016 to Trump+39 in 2020.

Let's do it! There's totally room to primary Manchin from the left.

This is a great plan

[JurisDictum]

WV went from Trump+41 in 2016 to Trump+39 in 2020.

Let's do it! There's totally room to primary Manchin from the left.

This is a great plan

If you can find some dude that wants to limit immigration and stop abortion -- but is STILL a progressive democrat -- then it could happen.

Not gonna though. Sinema is different because she is from Arizona and the rightwing christian thing isn't what it used to be out there. The other senator from Arizona is a democrat that supports the bill.

[blindedsoul]

Good lord fighting for what the majority of what Americans want (Basic democratic values) in every poll is not saying death to America wtf?! (Squad or not)

They push for 15 min wage, 60%+ public approve.
Free College 60+%
Universal health care 55%+ (Medicare asked question)
and paid maternity leave 60%+
Legalization of pot 63%+

There is no scenario of a platform on the opposite side even sounding normal when you consider the global community let alone such a radical ass backwards evaluation.

Source
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/27/majority-of-americans-support-progressive-policies-such-as-paid-maternity-leave-free-college.html

Can find more sources if you just find the polls its almost always the same even when fox polls which is nuts

Unless oh herk derk republicans who don't think govt has a function don't want it to work saying we cant have functional govt

[unsunghero]

Spot about the debt ceiling. This has been happening like every two years. "Oh no America is going to default!" It was a bad norm established by Tea Party Republicans as a way to pressure centrist Republicans.

The stuff with the Congress is actually a lot more disturbing. The entire democratic party appears to be ready to pass these bills. The exception is 2 senators who are openly linked to the industries that want the bill to die.

Joe Manchin likes to put on a show, and that's all to be expected. However, there is no evidence that West Virgina supports Manchin's conservative policies. They favored the minimum wage increase that Manchin was instrumental in killing, for example. The show is for his donors, not his voters. It's also an easy excuse for corporate democrats. "We wanted to pass the bill but that dratted Joe Manchin bested us again." He's the fall guy and they like him.

Kyrsten Sinema is a different story. She was elected like 5 minutes ago, but is demanding the bills be separated so she can have one without the other. Unlike Manchin -- there is no track record to go on here, no insider relationships etc. She won't even articulate her problems with the bill in private.

Here is a write up on some of this: https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2021/09/sinema-leveraging-slim-majority-powerhouse-fundraising-hardball-spending/


That's a creepy about of money for someone this new to DC. Meanwhile, the people that got her elected in Arizona are already starting to raise money and groundswell to have her primaried. The Democratic Party has been putting the screws on her through their contacts with with the state legislature -- which can even get her recalled. She, normally protected by leftwing media, is now getting a lot of criticism.

This doesn't look like a brilliant DC political maneuver if you want to stay in the Senate. It really only makes sense with the assumption that she has been promised a lot in the private sector after she tanks this bill.

She is an avatar of everything wrong with modern democratic party -- with basically no redeeming qualities. She is super woke, and guilty of calling sexism every time she is criticized. Meanwhile, she basically agrees with McConnel on fiscal policy. It's all about the debt (when its for you -- not me). She represents just one more step toward tearing down any semblance that representatives are anything except corporate fundraisers that go with the highest bidder.

I met her a few years ago. She came to a military fundraiser the agency I work for was putting on. I think we had some common ground that she was a runner. She seemed nice, but it was a super brief meeting

Dunno much more about her or anything about her policies though :/

[unsunghero]

stop abortion

[unsunghero]

They push for 15 min wage, 60%+ public approve.
Free College 60+%
Universal health care 55%+ (Medicare asked question)
and paid maternity leave 60%+

Free money and unicorns for everyone!

Edit: I find it deliciously ironic that these liberal universities are continuing to rip their students off and put them into lifelong debt with their tuition rates while pushing the merits of socialism on them

[JurisDictum]

Free money and unicorns for everyone!

Edit: I find it deliciously ironic that these liberal universities are continuing to rip their students off and put them into lifelong debt with their tuition rates while pushing the merits of socialism on them

Doesn't work as argument anymore. It never worked toward anyone that actually knew wtf they were talking about. Now, even the dumbos have put together they just spent more money bailing out billionaires than any of those projects you outlined cost.

This pretty much leaves a dying boomer ideologue crowd squawking about the debt.

I find it Ironic that deficit hawks continue to blame the out of power "socialists" for the problems caused by 40 years of getting their way.

[Jibartik]

Deficit hawks or lets just bet it all on red and see what happens!

I'm all for raising the debt ceiling to avoid an economic collapse but that doesn't change the fact that I am dead serious when I say both sides have been and continue to be recklessly insane when it comes to spending and we should have not done what we've done and cannot turn back.

There isnt an economist on the planet that says they know what is going to happen with what we are doing with our debt that isn't full of shit.

It can go more? Sure probably. Will it collapse if another pandemic happens yea definitely.

[unsunghero]

Doesn't work as argument anymore. It never worked toward anyone that actually knew wtf they were talking about. Now, even the dumbos have put together they just spent more money bailing out billionaires than any of those projects you outlined cost.

This pretty much leaves a dying boomer ideologue crowd squawking about the debt.

I find it Ironic that deficit hawks continue to blame the out of power "socialists" for the problems caused by 40 years of getting their way.

Healthcare is not a human right. I pay for mine out of my own money

I also did a break-even analysis at when I would be able to pay back my student loans and selected a major that I knew I could find work in. I paid my student loans off years ago and don’t need to beg daddy government to do it for me

Tuition rates then and now are still a complete rip off

What else? I forget all the programs listed

Extra maternity leave is cool. The first months of a child’s life are very important when it comes to imprinting and bonding. Have no qualms with that

[unsunghero]

Speaking of the culture and indoctrination at universities, let’s take a look at mine

GTFO white boy, your presence is offensive. We need this huge empty open space for Democrats

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1BzraMlg9Ek

[unsunghero]

^
Great examples of democrat talking points verbally mentioned in the video above

“You’re white you have no culture”

“What you are doing right now is violence”


Only someone so completely privileged and sheltered could be able to say that sitting in a chair is violence. I hope, I truly hope, this girl continues to live such a sheltered life that she never discovers what actual violence is

[imperiouskitten]

i mean she's not explaining any legitimate grievance very well at all, and it does highlight how stupid and imprecise we are getting with language. BUT the two guys are clownshoes in meme shirts, and this is just high school kids arguing (yes, I know it's ASU. I am from Las Vegas and went to HS there, and i know which of my classmates went to ASU lol -- not the precocious. hope im not shitting on anyone, i'm not attacking the credibility of the education just saying the young ones there are selected in a certain way).

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it. ur better looking than this, unsunghero :)

I will say, I fought in this here war. I got called a fascist repeatedly in university -- in public -- cuz of my own political views. There were a couple jewish activists on campus who were always up my ass saying mean stuff. I think we all kinda liked each other anyway though. I have to admit I was not too much less cringe than the two boys here photo'd :o

[JurisDictum]

Healthcare is not a human right. I pay for mine out of my own money

I also did a break-even analysis at when I would be able to pay back my student loans and selected a major that I knew I could find work in. I paid my student loans off years ago and don’t need to beg daddy government to do it for me

Tuition rates then and now are still a complete rip off

What else? I forget all the programs listed

Extra maternity leave is cool. The first months of a child’s life are very important when it comes to imprinting and bonding. Have no qualms with that

Good for you. Have you considered the fact that none of that matters? There are several questions here:

Is it a good idea to fund college more? Will it improve economic conditions in the country?

Does America want free college overall, can we afford it?

What is the likely consequences of continuing the current course of action, given that no alternatives are being seriously offered by the side that opposes free college?

Whether or not you identify with someone that would benefit from free college, well that's a bit of a nothing burger.

I don't think describing things in terms of deserve or rights is helpful. It doesn't matter. It's a democracy -- you vote on what you want. You don't need it to be a right. Rights don't matter anyway -- because they are broken the moment power wants to change the law and only restored when power is ok with changing the law back.

[Whale biologist]

i mean she's not explaining any legitimate grievance very well at all, and it does highlight how stupid and imprecise we are getting with language. BUT the two guys are clownshoes in meme shirts, and this is just high school kids arguing (yes, I know it's ASU. I am from Las Vegas and went to HS there, and i know which of my classmates went to ASU lol -- not the precocious. hope im not shitting on anyone, i'm not attacking the credibility of the education just saying the young ones there are selected in a certain way).

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it. ur better looking than this, unsunghero :)

It's a shitty word game on dictionary definitions, like Antifa like to do

strength of emotion or an unpleasant or destructive natural force

[Gatordash]

i mean she's not explaining any legitimate grievance very well at all, and it does highlight how stupid and imprecise we are getting with language. BUT the two guys are clownshoes in meme shirts, and this is just high school kids arguing (yes, I know it's ASU. I am from Las Vegas and went to HS there, and i know which of my classmates went to ASU lol -- not the precocious. hope im not shitting on anyone, i'm not attacking the credibility of the education just saying the young ones there are selected in a certain way).


Nah its gotten worse here from what I understand. Clark County developed magnet schools or something for the smarter kids but then people got mad that their kids weren't smart enough to get in and complained enough to where now the magnet schools suck too.

[JurisDictum]

Krysten Sinema is an Arizona University graduate.

[Whale biologist]

Words matter. You can say a lot and convince many by abusing them.

For example: Which scares you more?

3.5 Trillion

Or

$350 Billion per year

For reference:

The US Defence budget is $750 Billion

[imperiouskitten]

Nah its gotten worse here from what I understand. Clark County developed magnet schools or something for the smarter kids but then people got mad that their kids weren't smart enough to get in and complained enough to where now the magnet schools suck too.

Meh idk. I went to the magnet school for a semester in 2001 I think (yes because 9/11 happened while i was there), and it was in the middle of a Vegas high school. Like the kind with the metal detectors where as a white kid you are in the minority. Also ALL the students in the actual program were Asian and they excluded me at that school.

So I went back to Boulder City. Rich mormon town southeast of Vegas. At junior year of high school, was able to do a dual-credit thing at the community colleges around Vegas/Henderson to finish out high school, and they hooked me up with crazy shit like a no-show job on the campus so I was making $14/hr to go to class...school in vegas was pretty freaking sweet to be honest. Also after interning for a local congressman and meeting the student body prez there, he tried to make me inheritor of his position of student body president of the CC, but I was leaving for a university out of state so I passed up the opportunity to be student body prez of a 30,000 student COLLEGE system as a high school senior / college frosh.

Although I did get to be a senator. The student council budget was in excess of 3 million dollars because of the student body size. Once I was a senator I got to quit going to class, too, as student council business trumped my requirements to show up for the required high school classes. So I played Vanguard til 6am and slept in, printed re-dated minutes for meetings to cover my paper trail, and had a ton of dough piled into my account, and a ton of political experience, and the life experience to take care of myself, all before HS graduation where I was valedictorian btw despite basically not attending my last year.

Oh yeah and one last detail -- the student body of the dual-credit HS was 80% female, since it depended on responsible students who could transport themselves and not get in trouble. So theoretically and literally there was a LOT of female attention.

Also, didn't smoke pot til I was 18 hehe.

Vegas school worked if you worked it. I had a really hard time in middle school so my high school turnaround was pretty amazing, and I can only credit the freedom I was given from emotional oppression for that "spreading of wings". If grandparents hadn't had a Boulder City address to keep me out of the ghetto school zoning, too, who knows. I was supposed to be stuck in shitty highly integrated schools in Henderson the entire time. Aw, I'm feeling nostalgic.

[imperiouskitten]

oh edit timer is gone...the magnet school was a middle school, but it was inside with a combined normie middle and high school i think. just remembered that. so yeah imagine lil me at 13 in the same hallways with 18yo felons.

[JurisDictum]

So I have been looking up information on college degrees. https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d20/tables/dt20_322.10.asp & https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=37

The total numbers of Bachelor degrees earned in 2018-19 was 2,012,854

Business (390,564)

Health professions and related programs (251,355)

Social sciences and history (160,628)

Engineering (126,687)

Biological and biomedical sciences (121,191)

(above is over 50% of all degrees)

...

Liberal arts and sciences, general studies, and humanities (44,222)

Foreign languages, literatures, and linguistics (16,592)

Philosophy and religious studies (9,615)

Area, ethnic, cultural, gender, and group studies (7,724)

Total 70,429 or less than 3.5% of degrees

It seems to be that rightwing media and posting world are using a small minority of stupid degrees to explain why millions of people with good degrees can't get jobs like they used to. Or at least claiming its a big part of the story.

I submit to you that it is a string of anecdotes carefully crafted to mislead a part of the population. Its a story, a fictitious realty created by institutions that manufacture consent. Its a key part to make sure rightwing people from humble backgrounds don't support something that directly benefits people like them.

[Jibartik]

Words matter. You can say a lot and convince many by abusing them.

For example: Which scares you more?



Or





$14.99lb pork loin.

[Mesocyclone]

DGgtDSgsrIo

[Mesocyclone]

So a woman or girl gets raped, gets pregnant, and the best thing to do, since the woman isn't in love with the rapist, is to kill the baby, am I understanding this right? You wanna eliminate rape? Kill the rapists. Would make a lying woman a cold blooded killer, wouldn't it?

Babylon the Great is full of sociopaths.

Yahoo Health is trying to sell Powerball tickets. You know, for the kids education and all. Brings a tear my eye like AOC imagining what those billions will do when they send it to the kids' schools. To teach the kids to worship them for life and never distrust them.

Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

[starkind]

Imo you should at the very minimum master Whale biology if you even want out of the camps.

[Mblake1981]

Imo you should at the very minimum master Whale biology if you even want out of the camps.

Is that before or after you chopped your wang and popped the pills.

[Mesocyclone]

Illuminati Freemasons within the U.S. military - including the President if the USA - did 9/11. Pentagon was hit by a U.S. missile. WTC 1 and 2 were hit by USAF 737 remotely piloted drones filled with jet fuel, then they were demolitioned top-down by Silverstein Corp along with Building 7 that never got hit. They turned on you then, and will keep doing it, over and over. Freemasons within the U.S. military.

When they die they are going to Hell forever and ever and ever.

[starkind]

Is that before or after you chopped your wang and popped the pills.

What's the word, irrespective of?

L7J6_kpHndc

[Mesocyclone]

If you wanna see using women for sex in Hollywood just scroll down Yahoo any given day.
Yet they claim we are all equal...

[Gatordash]

Meh idk. I went to the magnet school for a semester in 2001 I think (yes because 9/11 happened while i was there), and it was in the middle of a Vegas high school. Like the kind with the metal detectors where as a white kid you are in the minority. Also ALL the students in the actual program were Asian and they excluded me at that school.

So I went back to Boulder City. Rich mormon town southeast of Vegas. At junior year of high school, was able to do a dual-credit thing at the community colleges around Vegas/Henderson to finish out high school, and they hooked me up with crazy shit like a no-show job on the campus so I was making $14/hr to go to class...school in vegas was pretty freaking sweet to be honest. Also after interning for a local congressman and meeting the student body prez there, he tried to make me inheritor of his position of student body president of the CC, but I was leaving for a university out of state so I passed up the opportunity to be student body prez of a 30,000 student COLLEGE system as a high school senior / college frosh.


Right but going to High School in Las Vegas is the issue (not so much elementary/middle school) and Boulder City is not part of the Clark County School District so a lot of people actually get an address or move out to Boulder City when their kids get to high school so they can be in that school district. idk if I could deal with being out in Boulder City... but there and Pahrump are growing a ton lately because of the huge influx in home prices in Vegas and people moving in from CA. I got a lot of years until I have to deal with it but my wife who went to palo verde wants the kids to go to public school and I'm from out of state but the more I hear the crazy stories about Vegas high schools the more I think I want to send them to bishop gorman or the other one.

[unsunghero]

So I have been looking up information on college degrees. https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d20/tables/dt20_322.10.asp & https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=37

The total numbers of Bachelor degrees earned in 2018-19 was 2,012,854

Business (390,564)

Health professions and related programs (251,355)

Social sciences and history (160,628)

Engineering (126,687)

Biological and biomedical sciences (121,191)

(above is over 50% of all degrees)

...

Liberal arts and sciences, general studies, and humanities (44,222)

Foreign languages, literatures, and linguistics (16,592)

Philosophy and religious studies (9,615)

Area, ethnic, cultural, gender, and group studies (7,724)

Total 70,429 or less than 3.5% of degrees

It seems to be that rightwing media and posting world are using a small minority of stupid degrees to explain why millions of people with good degrees can't get jobs like they used to. Or at least claiming its a big part of the story.

I submit to you that it is a string of anecdotes carefully crafted to mislead a part of the population. Its a story, a fictitious realty created by institutions that manufacture consent. Its a key part to make sure rightwing people from humble backgrounds don't support something that directly benefits people like them.


I have no problem with free money and unicorns for everyone for any idealistic cause

I only have problems with the funding. Saying that bailing out billionaires is also unethical use of funding is obvious whataboutism, I never claimed to back such a thing either

Present a means of funding that doesn’t involve taxing a certain group to what I would consider theft and I’m all ears. We are talking hundreds of millions of people that will need huge sums of money for even just an undergrad degree

“It will pay for itself in the future” and if it doesn’t? Then what? The economy crashes as a result? It’s much safer to find a funding source that isn’t a future hypothesis

This isn’t even including the ridiculous costs for free healthcare for everyone

[Horza]

Rural Americans are dying of Covid at more than twice the rate of their urban counterparts—a divide that health experts say is likely to widen as access to medical care shrinks for a population that tends to be older, sicker, heavier, poorer and less vaccinated. (https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-killing-rural-americans-twice-rate-people-urban-areas-n1280369)

“There is a national disconnect between perception and reality when it comes to Covid in rural America,” said Alan Morgan, head of the National Rural Health Association. “We’ve turned many rural communities into kill boxes. And there's no movement towards addressing what we're seeing in many of these communities, either among the public, or among governing officials.”

[Jibartik]

https://i.imgur.com/CyJnN16.png

[Jibartik]

“We’ve turned many rural communities into kill boxes.”

https://i.imgur.com/BmaNOY2.gif

[Toxigen]

So I have been looking up information on college degrees. https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d20/tables/dt20_322.10.asp & https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=37

The total numbers of Bachelor degrees earned in 2018-19 was 2,012,854

Business (390,564)

Health professions and related programs (251,355)

Social sciences and history (160,628)

Engineering (126,687)

Biological and biomedical sciences (121,191)

(above is over 50% of all degrees)

...

Liberal arts and sciences, general studies, and humanities (44,222)

Foreign languages, literatures, and linguistics (16,592)

Philosophy and religious studies (9,615)

Area, ethnic, cultural, gender, and group studies (7,724)

Total 70,429 or less than 3.5% of degrees

It seems to be that rightwing media and posting world are using a small minority of stupid degrees to explain why millions of people with good degrees can't get jobs like they used to. Or at least claiming its a big part of the story.

I submit to you that it is a string of anecdotes carefully crafted to mislead a part of the population. Its a story, a fictitious realty created by institutions that manufacture consent. Its a key part to make sure rightwing people from humble backgrounds don't support something that directly benefits people like them.

newsflash - an undergrad degree in business as a standalone is essentially useless these days...you'll be managing high school drop outs at fast food / retail / etc for 50k a year

"health professions and related" is all the way down to nurse technician (aka bed-pan changer)

social sciences and history? cmon now

your entire argument is skewed hard...you cherry picked numbers

"Parks, recreation, leisure, and fitness studies" 53,546 - LOL...may as well study underwater basketweaving

[starkind]

https://i.imgur.com/CyJnN16.png

That poor kid later killed himself. Like 29 yrs.

I don't blame the show. Maybe Hollywood culture. Or maybe transition with a new identity and no records tying to the past. Reroll. Witness protection.

[Elizondo]

Rural Americans are dying of Covid at more than twice the rate of their urban counterparts—a divide that health experts say is likely to widen as access to medical care shrinks for a population that tends to be older, sicker, heavier, poorer and less vaccinated. (https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-killing-rural-americans-twice-rate-people-urban-areas-n1280369)

“There is a national disconnect between perception and reality when it comes to Covid in rural America,” said Alan Morgan, head of the National Rural Health Association. “We’ve turned many rural communities into kill boxes. And there's no movement towards addressing what we're seeing in many of these communities, either among the public, or among governing officials.”

Peacock is fake news though

[Jibartik]

https://i.imgur.com/Ed1S3sd.png

If he dies and biden gets to nom a judge Im switching religions lol

LPosIwxj630

[Horza]

https://i.imgur.com/BmaNOY2.gif

Daily reminder the Republican party has become a death cult.

[Mblake1981]

Rural Americans are dying of Covid at more than twice the rate of their urban counterparts—a divide that health experts say is likely to widen as access to medical care shrinks for a population that tends to be older, sicker, heavier, poorer and less vaccinated. (https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-killing-rural-americans-twice-rate-people-urban-areas-n1280369)

“There is a national disconnect between perception and reality when it comes to Covid in rural America,” said Alan Morgan, head of the National Rural Health Association. “We’ve turned many rural communities into kill boxes. And there's no movement towards addressing what we're seeing in many of these communities, either among the public, or among governing officials.”

If its anything like where i live this will assist those looking to move to one of those 'rural communities' but don't want the rural people. Easier to buy the land and chop down the trees this way.

Tesla 'Plaid' parked in front of a renovated brutalist Waffle House.

[Ooloo]

Daily reminder the Republican party has become a death cult.

Why? Rural people are dying more from covid? Yes I'm sure that's true. So in urban centers almost nobody dies, and in rural areas more people die, but still almost nobody. You don't understand how percentages work. "Twice as many" of an already insanely small number, is just a slightly larger insanely small number. Who cares.

"Death cult" is a retarded exaggeration. Democrats celebrate killing babies, how is that not worse?

[Horza]

Why? Rural people are dying more from covid? Yes I'm sure that's true. So in urban centers almost nobody dies, and in rural areas more people die, but still almost nobody. You don't understand how percentages work. "Twice as many" of an already insanely small number, is just a slightly larger insanely small number. Who cares.

"Death cult" is a retarded exaggeration. Democrats celebrate killing babies, how is that not worse?

700k dead Americans.

Republicans: It's just a slightly larger, insanely small number.

[starkind]

https://i.imgur.com/aeXz2mh.jpg

[Whale biologist]

I have no problem with free money and unicorns for everyone for any idealistic cause

I only have problems with the funding. Saying that bailing out billionaires is also unethical use of funding is obvious whataboutism, I never claimed to back such a thing either

Present a means of funding that doesn’t involve taxing a certain group to what I would consider theft and I’m all ears. We are talking hundreds of millions of people that will need huge sums of money for even just an undergrad degree

“It will pay for itself in the future” and if it doesn’t? Then what? The economy crashes as a result? It’s much safer to find a funding source that isn’t a future hypothesis

This isn’t even including the ridiculous costs for free healthcare for everyone

Okay, what does that look like in terms of policy?

Right now in DC they're debating a 4% raise in the corporate income tax to finance public dental.

[unsunghero]

Okay, what does that look like in terms of policy?

Right now in DC they're debating a 4% raise in the corporate income tax to finance public dental.

I dunno I think we’d first need a rough estimate of the actual cost. Then you decide policy

[Whale biologist]

I dunno I think we’d first need a rough estimate of the actual cost. Then you decide policy

It's ok, I sneakied myself into learning that PAYGO only applies to mandatory spending.

https://i.imgur.com/UKqN4Ky.gif

[Toxigen]

700k dead Americans.

Republicans: It's just a slightly larger, insanely small number.

i wonder what the average BMI of those 700k is

https://i.imgur.com/wsmz6rj.png

[Jibartik]

The Met Police has said people should run away and call 999 if they feel in danger when stopped by a lone person claiming to be an officer. (https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/sarah-everard-wayne-couzens-undercover-police-warrant/)

lol bad advice in USA

[JurisDictum]

newsflash - an undergrad degree in business as a standalone is essentially useless these days...you'll be managing high school drop outs at fast food / retail / etc for 50k a year

"health professions and related" is all the way down to nurse technician (aka bed-pan changer)

social sciences and history? cmon now

your entire argument is skewed hard...you cherry picked numbers

"Parks, recreation, leisure, and fitness studies" 53,546 - LOL...may as well study underwater basketweaving

Those aren't cherry picked. There in order. I could skip social sciences (which includes economics btw) and history then proceed down the line until a hit something that looked better -- but the point is the only degrees that looked basically non-practical and woke oriented are on the bottom. It's 3.5%.

So if you want to talk about how stupid someone is for going to college these days -- a kid trying to get into business is FAR more representative than the often invoked degrees in gender science or something.

The Parks and Recreation (53,546)

Maybe should have added that. Were still at what? 5% -- doesn't really fit the woke description much. But it porbably isn't that great of a degree to get for jobs. Keep in mind, if your kind of a jock idiot, maybe becoming a fitness instructor on your college sports scholarship isn't out of place.

[Jibartik]

Probably the smartest thing you can do is major in marketing because all we'll be doing for any prospective future is selling bullshit to each other.

[JurisDictum]

Probably the smartest thing you can do is major in marketing because all we'll be doing for any prospective future is selling bullshit to each other.

No, it's considered a business degree. So you're a moron for trying.

We need to make sure you're punished for your stupidy now (says the guy that went to college for free or on his dads dime).

[Jibartik]

I mean if I am right about the future then the guy who knows how to make a pitchfork out of a single piece of wood is the way to go.

But with the new never ending debt system that we're about to experience for the next 100 years, marketing for too big to fail factions you'll become indebted to is the safest bet IMO

Nice thing about marketing is you just collect a paycheck from the people who think they know how to use you (business majors) while they stress about business.

You just show up at the end for the party, then hop onto the next project's party planning.

[JurisDictum]

I have no problem with free money and unicorns for everyone for any idealistic cause

I only have problems with the funding. Saying that bailing out billionaires is also unethical use of funding is obvious whataboutism, I never claimed to back such a thing either

Present a means of funding that doesn’t involve taxing a certain group to what I would consider theft and I’m all ears. We are talking hundreds of millions of people that will need huge sums of money for even just an undergrad degree

“It will pay for itself in the future” and if it doesn’t? Then what? The economy crashes as a result? It’s much safer to find a funding source that isn’t a future hypothesis

This isn’t even including the ridiculous costs for free healthcare for everyone

I'm trying to get a fat girl to eat her brocolli.

She snarles back at me "I can't eat that -- I need to cut calories to lose weight!"

I point out that she is sipping a starbucks mocha and its empty calories.

"That's whataboutism!" she concludes, triumphantly draining her drink and stomping off.

[unsunghero]

I'm trying to get a fat girl to eat her brocolli.

She snarles back at me "I can't eat that -- I need to cut calories to lose weight!"

I point out that she is sipping a starbucks mocha and its empty calories.

"That's whataboutism!" she concludes, triumphantly draining her drink and stomping off.

It’s a past event, assuming you are referring to our most recent recession due to the housing bubble bust. Shall we list ever colossal waste of money by the government in the past? Because I can think of a few

What is the cost of hundreds of millions of Americans * the cost of an undergrad degree?

Then what policy will fund that amount of money. Like I said, I’d love everyone to have unicorns and free money too. It’s time to come back down to earth and explain how

[Whale biologist]

the new never ending debt system that we're about to experience for the next 100 years

On 31 December 2006, Britain made a final payment of about $83m (£45.5m) and thereby discharged the last of its war loans from the US.

Debt is useful, not immortal. In strange aeons, etc.

[Whale biologist]

It’s a past event, assuming you are referring to our most recent recession due to the housing bubble bust. Shall we list ever colossal waste of money by the government in the past? Because I can think of a few

What is the cost of hundreds of millions of Americans * the cost of an undergrad degree?

Then what policy will fund that amount of money. Like I said, I’d love everyone to have unicorns and free money too. It’s time to come back down to earth and explain how

Isn't it 2 year community college in the bill? And why aren't we naked?

[Jibartik]

On 31 December 2006, Britain made a final payment of about $83m (£45.5m) and thereby discharged the last of its war loans from the US.

Debt is useful, not immortal. In strange aeons, etc.

Yeah all it took was for their entire empire and way of life to collapse and they finally payed it off 150 years later lol.

Ok cool, sign me up!

[Whale biologist]

Yeah all it took was for their entire empire and way of life to collapse and they finally payed it off 150 years later lol.

Ok cool, sign me up!

Losing India was addition by subtraction, akshaully.

[Gravydoo II]

Tesla 'Plaid' parked in front of a renovated brutalist Waffle House.


Nice visual.

[Jibartik]

Off to pay the wizard our debt on the wonderful road to recovery.

https://i.imgur.com/QssRV0D.png

[Whale biologist]

I'm curious how you got 150 years

[Jibartik]

idk im just saying

[unsunghero]

Isn't it 2 year community college in the bill? And why aren't we naked?

Maybe, probably depends on the degree

And when we are talking cost of the degree, are we referring to just the university academic costs? What about people who would want to quit their jobs to be a full time student? Who is going to wait the tables and answer the phones? Or do those people just get fucked on their education because they need to still be able to work low skill level full time jobs to be able to afford to eat and pay rent? So really to make things fair we should include the costs to quit one’s job and be a full time student, and just immediately replace all our low skill jobs with robots

And what happens when the value of that degree turns it into essentially a high school diploma now that everyone has one? And how would that factor into a possible huge labor surplus vs available jobs

Naw, degrees good. Free money good. Steal from corporations and rich people. Government misspent money in past so it’s ok

[Gatordash]

And what happens when the value of that degree turns it into essentially a high school diploma now that everyone has one?
Its simple.
You just make a new, higher level degree, and charge way more money for it.

[unsunghero]

Its simple.
You just make a new, higher level degree, and charge way more money for it.

Yeah let’s not turn a hard eye towards university costs

Universities to democrat politicians in response to that: “Same team bro! Same team!”

[Elizondo]

Old dude with Pelosi right now asking Congress if they have any spare change

[Whale biologist]

Maybe, probably depends on the degree

And when we are talking cost of the degree, are we referring to just the university academic costs? What about people who would want to quit their jobs to be a full time student? Who is going to wait the tables and answer the phones? Or do those people just get fucked on their education because they need to still be able to work low skill level full time jobs to be able to afford to eat and pay rent? So really to make things fair we should include the costs to quit one’s job and be a full time student, and just immediately replace all our low skill jobs with robots

And what happens when the value of that degree turns it into essentially a high school diploma now that everyone has one? And how would that factor into a possible huge labor surplus vs available jobs

Naw, degrees good. Free money good. Steal from corporations and rich people. Government misspent money in past so it’s ok

Um it's not up to me but anyone over 30 should definitely be ineligible for the free ride. Old dogs don't learn new tricks.

[JurisDictum]

It’s a past event, assuming you are referring to our most recent recession due to the housing bubble bust. Shall we list ever colossal waste of money by the government in the past? Because I can think of a few

What is the cost of hundreds of millions of Americans * the cost of an undergrad degree?

Then what policy will fund that amount of money. Like I said, I’d love everyone to have unicorns and free money too. It’s time to come back down to earth and explain how

15891

This is a rightwing source -- so I'm not 100% on it.

But essentially forgiving all student debt is a little excessive. But that's only because it includes a lot of very expensive institutions. It gets more reasonable down toward the 50K mark. Keep in mind that can be adjusted so that the very poor get more than the less poor.

None of this is really being discussed though. Biden won. He never said he was going to forgive all student loan debt. He said like up to 40K only on public universities (which is because most previously public institutions are now private -- its a way of lowballing). He put precisely zero effort into pushing it through.

How you pay for it is very uninteresting. You take out debt -- then try to tax or cut a similar amount in other areas. If don't (we often don't) the value of the U.S.D might drop a small amount. This impacts certain areas more than others.

The reason I say might, is because the entire world uses USD as their reserve currency. It's always in demand and we get away with more being the United States than any other country as far as inflated our currency goes.

This is the pricing history of the USD:

https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/index/dxy/charts

There is no sharp declines in value after big spending. Notice the USD strength doesn't track particularly well with how good the economy is doing for ordinary people.

The fact is though, if you print more USD than you produce (which does go up every year), the dollar strength will be somewhere below where it could have been. At least in theory.

That is way more likely to matter if you purchase things on the global market frequently. Generally wealthy people. And as shown, it doesn't seem to matter as much as they would have you believe.

That's only reason they oppose it though. There is also the fact that this economy as is, doesn't really produce enough college-level jobs. Because of this, they really don't want more people going to college. They want people happier to get a job at amazon. Underemployed college graduates are a huge source of instability all around the world. They are poor people that know too much for their own (individual level) good -- its dangerous to power.

The federal government also is currently profiting off of loan payback. This is all more money they don't have to pay.

Many don't want increased competition for their fail sons. There is basically nothing particularly appealing about free college to the well-off. So it's not surprising the two elite parties find a way to explain that "we can't afford it."

Budgets are about priorities.

[Gravydoo II]

Remember when the government spent trillions on 5 wars and we're still not naked... Then cut taxes for the richest and highest earners, then did it again, and again, and again. We still not naked.

[unsunghero]

Lol excessive as in more expensive than literally anything else?

Yeah

So we give a tiny boost to a tiny segment of this generation who currently has student loan debt? And how do the low skill workers who never had an opportunity to rack up student loan debt get helped again?

Universities taking care of their voters, how adorable. My heart gushes

[JurisDictum]

Lol excessive as in more expensive than literally anything else?

Yeah

So we give a tiny boost to a tiny segment of this generation who currently has student loan debt? And how do the low skill workers who never had an opportunity to rack up student loan debt get helped again?

Universities taking care of their voters, how adorable. My heart gushes

That is what we call whataboutism.

But yea, those poor workers could you know -- go to college now. Unless some retard with more privilege decides their "too old."

Not everyone will which is this is not the only policy being suggested.

Edit: Among the Class of 2019, 69% of college students took out student loans, and they graduated with an average debt of $29,900, including both private and federal debt.

[unsunghero]

That is what we call whataboutism.

But yea, those poor workers could you know -- go to college now. Unless some retard with more privilege decides their "too old."

Not everyone will which is this is not the only policy being suggested.

Wait wait wait, you have it listed in your handy pic as forgive student loan debt

I assume you mean cost of CURRENT student loan debt. Remember when past things and current things trip you up?

So are the costs to forgive all current student loan debt AND any future debt for all Americans? Or is to forgive the current student loan debt? I might just me misunderstanding

[bomaroast]

Forgiving student debt is such a giant fuck you to the people that payed off their loans in the responsible manner. They get screwed 2.3x. 1 time for when they payed the loans originally, another 1 time for the "income support" they'd miss out on, and finally the .3x times for the income taxes that were payed on the original 1x.

I've never voted, but if student loans are forgiven, then I'll be a hard-line voting Republican moving forward.

Nevermind that the college educated might not be the group of people in this country that should be first in line to receive handouts. Perhaps solving the homeless problem should come before making a mockery of contract law.

[Whale biologist]

Wait wait wait, you have it listed in your handy pic as forgive student loan debt

I assume you mean cost of CURRENT student loan debt. Remember when past things and current things trip you up?

So are the costs to forgive all current student loan debt AND any future debt for all Americans? Or is to forgive the current student loan debt? I might just me misunderstanding

I guess he did campaign on cancelling student debt, I forgot about that.

Can always count on a Dem to lie. 😎🍦

[unsunghero]

Forgiving student debt is such a giant fuck you to the people that payed off their loans in the responsible manner. They get screwed 2.3x. 1 time for when they payed the loans originally, another 1 time for the "income support" they'd miss out on, and finally the .3x times for the income taxes that were payed on the original 1x.

I've never voted, but if student loans are forgiven, then I'll be a hard-line voting Republican moving forward.

It’s also a giant fuck you to the current poor, who haven’t had a chance to actually generate some student loan debt. I don’t think the government is talking about an $85,000/each loan to them (probably more to afford to quit their jobs and be a full time student) for when they decide to go to college

So the costs are actually completely off. Unless the gov’t really wants to pass a bill to give free money to a current generation of liberals who voted for them (aka college students who aren’t old enough to have paid off their debt)

Like I said, my heart gushes for their compassion

[Jibartik]

Old dude with Pelosi right now asking Congress if they have any spare change

annnd we do!

https://i.imgur.com/NFMKzFQ.png

[JurisDictum]

Wait wait wait, you have it listed in your handy pic as forgive student loan debt

I assume you mean cost of CURRENT student loan debt. Remember when past things and current things trip you up?

So are the costs to forgive all current student loan debt AND any future debt for all Americans? Or is to forgive the current student loan debt? I might just me misunderstanding

Thats the total cost of what it would take to forgive all student loan debt compared to what it has costed so far to run all those other programs. So moving foward, forging strudent loan debt would cost less than the food stamp program. Food stamps is like 79.22 billion a year.

And that's if we are just like: "are you a college student with debt? Here's 50K!"

This is the Brookings institute. So they showed it in a way to make the expense look the least charitable they could. Probably by including private debt etc.

[Whale biologist]

annnd we do!

https://i.imgur.com/NFMKzFQ.png

Cancelling loan debt won't happen(on a large scale), but 2 years of free CC for young people is very doable.

Just say Biden good.

[unsunghero]

Thats the total cost of what it would take to forgive all student loan debt compared to what it has costed so far to run all those other programs. So moving foward, forging strudent loan debt would cost less than the food stamp program. Food stamps is like 79.22 billion a year.

And that's if we are just like: "are you a college student with debt? Here's 50K!"

This is the Brookings institute. So they showed it in a way to make the expense look the least charitable they could. Probably by including private debt etc.

So this cost means every person in America is given the cost to quit their job and be a full time student at any point they choose?

And what is this loan amount again? Per person

[JurisDictum]

So this cost means every person in America is given the cost to quit their job and be a full time student at any point they choose?

And what is this loan amount again? Per person

I would assume most would do halftime if they are currently working. Otherwise you would be responsible for debt above 50k if you wanted to take out loans for your living expenses.

[Gatordash]

Remember when the government spent trillions on 5 wars and we're still not naked... Then cut taxes for the richest and highest earners, then did it again, and again, and again. We still not naked.

Congress only makes 170-200k/year so Pelosi and friends need to make money somehow.

[Mesocyclone]

Aek_t8GT6bg

[unsunghero]

I would assume most would do halftime if they are currently working. Otherwise you would be responsible for debt above 50k if you wanted to take out loans for your living expenses.

So every person gets 50k, which wouldn’t cover even the academic costs for an undergrad, much less the room/board costs to be a full time student

So the poor get fucked, because the don’t spend the assistance when it’s not enough to survive on still. And the generation that already paid their student loans gets fucked

And the current generation of college liberals get the biggest benefit. Yeah man, it sounds great to me

Spend more money than anything else on it

[Whale biologist]

i think its kids trying to weasel their way out of responsibility. They want their 'higher' education paid for so they can live prosperous lives, it must be so hard paying back the loans.

try being a nothing and working your way through life first, years upon years of living a Jibartik "dark world" life with the bills pilling up and hard labor the next day that never gets easier, in fact it gets worse with time.

..only you don't have nice clothes or belong to a college so there is no one in upper society that takes pity on you. You should have done better in life and made better choices.

You want your bills forgiven in exchange for knowledge to make more money and have greater network connections, lol.

Some of the CCs have auto repair training. :p

[Jibartik]

The goverment shouldn't have to worry about it's debt, so that I can worry about mine!

lol

[JurisDictum]

So every person gets 50k, which wouldn’t cover even the academic costs for an undergrad, much less the room/board costs to be a full time student

So the poor get fucked, because the don’t spend the assistance when it’s not enough to survive on still. And the generation that already paid their student loans gets fucked

And the current generation of college liberals get the biggest benefit. Yeah man, it sounds great to me

Spend more money than anything else on it

How does person A get "fucked" by person B getting a better deal at a later point in history? I would say you got fucked when college debt started replacing low cost college. You see there, a guy the got a better deal than you kicked the ladder out from under them.

Your identifying with the ladder kickers for some reason. There not like you. They got a better deal in college, the economy, and their career prospects. The trend is clearly that it is harder for new grads. Not easier than it used to be -- this of course completely overlooked when accessing the "fairness."

[Mblake1981]

Do the 'poors' get to pelt these shit-heads with rotten tomatoes upon their graduation?

[Whale biologist]

Don't think of it as 2 free years of community college.

Think of it as 2 free years of trade school.

We need more Indians, ok? :cool:

[unsunghero]

How does person A get "fucked" by person B getting a better deal at a later point in history? I would say you got fucked when college debt started replacing low cost college. You see there, a guy the got a better deal than you kicked the ladder out from under them.

Your identifying with the ladder kickers for some reason. There not like you. They got a better deal in college, the economy, and their career prospects. The trend is clearly that it is harder for new grads. Not easier than it used to be -- this of course completely overlooked when accessing the "fairness."

Once again, I'm just pointing out in this current point of time when it's being passed, who benefits. If someone can't afford to utilize the benefit, then it doesn't benefit them. And would passing this now mean that this doesn't get cut later for some reason? So for all we know one generation of liberal grads might the its only benefactor?

And how does the value of a degree change as a result. Any estimations on that? What about how does the labor market change?

It's a shitload of money. The fact you can find 1 thing that costs more doesn't sway me. Nor does "spending always good, free money good" arguments

Gonna have to agree to disagree here. Haven't convinced me

[Mblake1981]

Don't think of it as 2 free years of community college.

Think of it as 2 free years of trade school.

We need more Indians, ok? :cool:

heh, i once said that the way things are trending that one day college would be on the level of graduating highschool. This means its expected and a given.

2 'free' years, bro.

Is there going to be college 2.0 to secure the gap between the lower classes and the higher classes? i mean this is probably ivy league already but i am sure human nature will perk up and some of those who couldn't get in that will feel the 'great unwashed' nipping at their heels.

[Whale biologist]

heh, i once said that the way things are trending that one day college would be on the level of graduating highschool. This means its expected and a given.

2 'free' years, bro.

Is there going to be college 2.0 to secure the gap between the lower classes and the higher classes? i mean this is probably ivy league already but i am sure human nature will perk up and some of those who couldn't get in that will feel the 'great unwashed' nipping at their heels.

Ivy and they all go to private boarding schools together before that. It's a rare bird that crashes the vip party in DC without those bona fides.

[unsunghero]

I'd say compromise. Rather than pay universities with gov't money put that money towards an affordable federal alternative that they have to compete with. Then the invisible hand will force them to stop ripping off their students

[JurisDictum]

Once again, I'm just pointing out in this current point of time when it's being passed, who benefits. If someone can't afford to utilize the benefit, then it doesn't benefit them. And would passing this now mean that this doesn't get cut later for some reason? So for all we know one generation of liberal grads might the its only benefactor?

And how does the value of a degree change as a result. Any estimations on that? What about how does the labor market change?

It's a shitload of money. The fact you can find 1 thing that costs more doesn't sway me. Nor does "spending always good, free money good" arguments

Gonna have to agree to disagree here. Haven't convinced me

1) the bill is not being passed, there is nothing like that being considered

2) food stamps is 1.3 percent of the budget, this is less

3) When do you ever apply the logic "but it could be repealed if it were to pass and thus be bad" in any other scenario? I'm not even going to begin to go into whats wrong with that.

4) It benefits the 69% of students that take out debt. One of the reasons poor conservatives are more rare is the affordability (the children of wealthy conservatives are not more rare than children of wealthy liberals). I would hope you would tell a younger conservative kid to shelf all his god damn problems with the campus culture if wants to be a doctor and just do it.

Rather than "don't go -- its all liberals"

[Mblake1981]

Ivy and they all go to private boarding schools together before that. It's a rare bird that crashes the vip party in DC without those bona fides.

HVAC specialist peeing in the punch bowl. Didn't calculate that with the two free years of school did they.

[unsunghero]

1) the bill is not being passed, there is nothing like that being considered

2) food stamps is 1.3 percent of the budget, this is less

3) When do you ever apply the logic "but it could be repealed if it were to pass and thus be bad" in any other scenario? I'm not even going to begin to go into whats wrong with that.

4) It benefits the 69% of students that take out debt. One of the reasons poor conservatives are more rare is the affordability (the children of wealthy conservatives are not more rare than children of wealthy liberals). I would hope you would tell a younger conservative kid to shelf all his god damn problems with the campus culture if wants to be a doctor and just do it.

Rather than "don't go -- its all liberals"

No, I'd say don't go because you can make a comfortable living with cheaper and faster alternatives to an undergrad degree nowadays

But your "same team bro" universities don't like me saying that

It doesn't benefit the poor if they still can't afford to quit their jobs and go to school. And you know what also is factoring into these costs? All this recent inflation

But despite this inflation we are gonna say money machine go brrr because spending good?

Or are we going to cut something to get this money?

[Mblake1981]

Just the cost of doing business. These things happen. :p

open wide and receive.

[Whale biologist]

HVAC specialist peeing in the punch bowl. Didn't calculate that with the two free years of school did they.

Everybody wants to be the Chief until the punch gets spiked. :p

[Whale biologist]

No, I'd say don't go because you can make a comfortable living with cheaper and faster alternatives to an undergrad degree nowadays

But your "same team bro" universities don't like me saying that

It doesn't benefit the poor if they still can't afford to quit their jobs and go to school. And you know what also is factoring into these costs? All this recent inflation

But despite this inflation we are gonna say money machine go brrr because spending good?

Or are we going to cut something to get this money?

You're not listening. Loan forgiveness isn't in either bill.

[unsunghero]

You're not listening. Loan forgiveness isn't in either bill.

Yeah I know, it's a free money 50k for every person who can afford to drop what they are doing and put that towards college, or have already racked up some college debt

I understand the concept. I would rather put that money towards affordable federal alternatives to 4 year university programs

And let them compete. That's what I think

[Mblake1981]

Everybody wants to be the Chief until the punch gets spiked. :p

lol, tell em your great ancestors were Vikings from Denmark and you drink pee for breakfast. Tell em Erik sent you to collect taxes.

Dominate their frail backwards minds with superior spirit penis.

[JurisDictum]

No, I'd say don't go because you can make a comfortable living with cheaper and faster alternatives to an undergrad degree nowadays

But your "same team bro" universities don't like me saying that

It doesn't benefit the poor if they still can't afford to quit their jobs and go to school. And you know what also is factoring into these costs? All this recent inflation

But despite this inflation we are gonna say money machine go brrr because spending good?

Or are we going to cut something to get this money?

Sure -- cut the military. Should be easy enough right?

That's how Germany, Sweaden etc. do it.

But not how it works for us. We are the world's military. But what we can do -- that they can't -- is print more money without destroying the value of the dollar. That's why we do that despite elites really not wanting to.

Inflation was highly concentrated in used cars and hotel rooms.,...hermmm I wonder why that would be? Although Bacon was way up for some reason.

The only way to grow an economy without inflation is to make sure worker wages remain stagnet. So can't afford more stuff, so that stuff stays the same price. Its not a great way to help poor people -- ensuring they don't get paid more.

[Jibartik]

We cut the military get ready to pay whatever the eff china says you're going to pay for.

[Whale biologist]

Yeah I know, it's a free money 50k for every person who can afford to drop what they are doing and put that towards college, or have already racked up some college debt

I understand the concept. I would rather put that money towards affordable federal alternatives to 4 year university programs

And let them compete. That's what I think

Blake this is very unfair. He's completely ignoring my cogent rhetoric!!

[unsunghero]

But what we can do -- that they can't -- is print more money without destroying the value of the dollar. That's why we do that despite elites really not wanting to.

lol gonna need to some serious empirical evidence of this, especially in light of this recent inflation

edit: and let's be correct about this, we're talking about printing ~68 billion dollars, which is 1% of our total expenditure, every year?

[Jibartik]

There is no gold in the federal reserve hehe

[Gatordash]

lol gonna need to some serious empirical evidence of this, especially in light of this recent inflation

edit: and let's be correct about this, we're talking about printing ~68 billion dollars, which is 1% of our total expenditure, every year?

ECB and Japan and China and every other country is worse off than we are so other countries continue to invest in the US.

[unsunghero]

That's fine, I'm convinced. Print money for this and everything else

I am convinced you can't go wrong with printing money

[unsunghero]

Sure -- cut the military. Should be easy enough right?

That's how Germany, Sweaden etc. do it.

But not how it works for us. We are the world's military. But what we can do -- that they can't -- is print more money without destroying the value of the dollar. That's why we do that despite elites really not wanting to.

Inflation was highly concentrated in used cars and hotel rooms.,...hermmm I wonder why that would be? Although Bacon was way up for some reason.

The only way to grow an economy without inflation is to make sure worker wages remain stagnet. So can't afford more stuff, so that stuff stays the same price. Its not a great way to help poor people -- ensuring they don't get paid more.

Uh inflation also tied to rent, and food, you know these things that every American needs?

[Mblake1981]

Blake this is very unfair. He's completely ignoring my cogent rhetoric!!

i am waiting for some asshole to step in here and say "crypto will fix this" and offer no explanation why. Maybe its magic based.

[Gravydoo II]

Cut military spending! 20% first year! tie up those carriers. Then increase by 5% every 2 years or something. Wind that shit down. Just park the shit, it'll be fine. Hook up the battery tender. lol

[JurisDictum]

Uh inflation also tied to rent, and food, you know these things that every American needs?

The inflation is a list of things or "baskets of a goods." On that list, car rentals were up like 87% Overall inflation is what we called a skewed statistic at that point. Bacon was up like 9%

Again what causes this is supply and demand. Broad across the board inflation (when all those baskets go up together) is caused when big segments start buying all that stuff more.

So there can be inflation in 1 area and not another. But inflation is also used to refer to across the board inflation. The media knows people don't understand inflation all that well, they just know its bad. So its politically abused word or topic.

Edit: It's called CPI (consumer price index) -- overall inflation that is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q20DBkMictw

Some of my figures were off (I didn't check them before posting) but the general idea is there.

[Mblake1981]

Cut military spending! 20% first year! tie up those carriers. Then increase by 5% every 2 years or something. Wind that shit down. Just park the shit, it'll be fine. Hook up the battery tender. lol

then shit your pants when the harbors are bombed again, oh dear. Didn't anyone tell them its current year?

[unsunghero]

The inflation is a list of things or "baskets of a goods." On that list, Used cars were up like 100% This is what we called a skewed statistic at that point. Bacon was up like 5%

Again what causes this is supply and demand. Broad across the board inflation (when all those baskets go up together) is caused when big segments start buying all that stuff more.

So there can be inflation in 1 area and not another. But inflation is also used to refer to across the board inflation. The media knows people don't understand inflation all that well, they just no its bad. So its politically abused word or topic.

That's weird, the costs of all my food has gone up around $1.5-2 in the past few months, I didn't realize I was eating just bacon every meal. How am I not dead from clogged arteries

Hey what is rent inflation again?

[Whale biologist]

Cut military spending! 20% first year! tie up those carriers. Then increase by 5% every 2 years or something. Wind that shit down. Just park the shit, it'll be fine. Hook up the battery tender. lol

https://i.imgur.com/sJlYuxK.png

https://i.imgur.com/HsKZB8g.png

[Gatordash]

The inflation is a list of things or "baskets of a goods." On that list, Used cars were up like 100% Overall inflation is what we called a skewed statistic at that point. Bacon was up like 5%

Again what causes this is supply and demand. Broad across the board inflation (when all those baskets go up together) is caused when big segments start buying all that stuff more.

So there can be inflation in 1 area and not another. But inflation is also used to refer to across the board inflation. The media knows people don't understand inflation all that well, they just know its bad. So its politically abused word or topic.

Inflation is up a bunch everywhere. The Clinton administration actually skewed it to make less sense and we have been using that terrible metric ever since. The inflation number we use now is skewed to make it seem like there is less inflation than what is actually going on

[unsunghero]

I guess my bottom line is I cannot condone printing 1% of our federal GDP every year and handing that money to universities whose staff are usually about 95% liberal

Maybe printing money is always good and inflation doesn't exist. I guess yeah, I can't get over my tribalism to see the greater good

I'm still holding to funding cheap federal alternatives accepted by employers to a 4 year degree with that money

[Whale biologist]

Here's what Biden actually did on student loans

Biden Administration Extends Student Loan Pause Until January 31, 2022 (https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/biden-administration-extends-student-loan-pause-until-january-31-2022)

5.8 billion in federal student loan discharge (https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/over-323000-federal-student-loan-borrowers-receive-58-billion-automatic-total-and-permanent-disability-discharges)

I don't know what else. Maybe someone with a larger attention span can take a whack at it.

[JurisDictum]

I guess my bottom line is I cannot condone printing 1% of our federal GDP every year and handing that money to universities whose staff are usually about 95% liberal

Maybe printing money is always good and inflation doesn't exist. I guess yeah, I can't get over my tribalism to see the greater good

I'm still holding to funding cheap federal alternatives accepted by employers to a 4 year degree with that money

So what I'm gathering is you say you want rainbows and unicorns for everyone. But when we explain how we probably could and its not that big of deal...

You don't want to because their all liberal.

It's a pretty good example of how identity politics work. All politics as most people understand politics in this country, are identity politics.

Well the "liberal" Krysten Sinema agrees with you. Isn't that strange how many of these "liberals" you gotta stop from going to college agree with you on fiscal policy?

[unsunghero]

So what I'm gathering is you say you want rainbows and unicorns for everyone. But when we explain how we probably could and its not that big of deal...

You don't to because their all liberal.

It's a pretty good example of how identity politics work. All politics as most people understand politics in this country, are identity politics.

No it seems completely conflict of interest-y to me

Higher education with an overwhelmingly liberal staff, overcharging people for information that in a lot of cases isn't even helpful for their actual jobs once they get them, all because the "certification" looks better than a high school diploma

Well what if we made something else that looks better that a high school diploma but with less money used smarter? Maybe employers might want to start accepting that?

Sorry I can't support your conflict of interest and utilized some outside the box thinking. But not changing my suggestion

[JurisDictum]

No it seems completely conflict of interest-y to me

Higher education with an overwhelmingly liberal staff, overcharging people for information that in a lot of cases isn't even helpful for their actual jobs once they get them, all because the "certification" looks better than a high school diploma

Well what if we made something else that looks better that a high school diploma but with less money used smarter? Maybe employers might want to start accepting that?

Sorry I can't support your conflict of interest and utilized some outside the box thinking. But not changing my suggestion

Sounds good. Can't wait to read the conservative bill that accomplishes that.

My point of Krysten is a lot of people in left-leaning elite circles are "liberal" only in a social since. So yea -- the overwhelming majority of college staff and their students are socially liberal -- just like they always have been. But they aren't necessarily in support of anything remotely "liberal" or "socialist" on financial policy.

[unsunghero]

Sounds good. Can't wait to read the conservative bill that accomplishes that.

Make me pres and I'll write one up. But can't now, gotta go to gym :)

[Mblake1981]

Make me pres and I'll write one up. But can't now, gotta go to gym :)

possibly a better use of time. Buff pres making the Lewinsky's all wet with anticipation. Nancy watching in the corner, drinking a beer.

[Horza]

No it seems completely conflict of interest-y to me

Higher education with an overwhelmingly liberal staff, overcharging people for information that in a lot of cases isn't even helpful for their actual jobs once they get them, all because the "certification" looks better than a high school diploma

Well what if we made something else that looks better that a high school diploma but with less money used smarter? Maybe employers might want to start accepting that?

Sorry I can't support your conflict of interest and utilized some outside the box thinking. But not changing my suggestion

If you guys want to write legislation again, you just need to eject Trump and all his cronies from the Republican party and start trying to appeal to the suburban moderates you lost to Biden (none of this will happen).

[Jibartik]

Free college isn't a solution to anything except that the carriers the middle class have worked in for 20 years have had a steady decline in yearly salary while the economy just inflates and inflates and inflates and inflates and inflates.

[Mesocyclone]

i'm all for open borders but against abortion what category do you put me in?

If the immigrant is in an apache helicopter don't let them in, otherwise they're probably OK or just a cartel like the Clintons, all good.

Alexa: How do I fix an apache helicopter?

Alexa: How do I fly an apache helicopter?

[Whale biologist]

Sounds good. Can't wait to read the conservative bill that accomplishes that.

My point of Krysten is a lot of people in left-leaning elite circles are "liberal" only in a social since. So yea -- the overwhelming majority of college staff and their students are socially liberal -- just like they always have been. But they aren't necessarily in support of anything remotely "liberal" or "socialist" on financial policy.

Liberal and socialist are different things economically.

[pink grapefruit]

https://i.imgur.com/m69AoaX.jpg

[JurisDictum]

It's too bad we didn't pursue the Native American philosophy of personal freedom and limited government. It turned out so well.

[Jibartik]

If you think about it capitalisms history is it failed, then world war 2 let us start it all over again and pretend like it didn't fail, and now it's failed again.

lol

[Elizondo]

Old Dude doin such a bang up job as prez that Dollar Tree just changed it's name to Two Dolla Tree

Soon it'll be Tree Fiddy

[JurisDictum]

If you think about it capitalisms history is it failed, then world war 2 let us start it all over again and pretend like it didn't fail, and now it's failed again.

lol

Capitalism is just too damn good at what it does. It doesn't matter what people want -- capitalism is gonna have its way. We wanted this little old puritan domestic christian scene perserved -- the capitalist party themselves did.

But capitalism came in the form of some cigar chomping baron saying "this is bullshit -- look at all these lazy women having a nice time at home! Put em to work!"

And now I have to listen to what Candiace Owens says.

Who BTW, might still live under a slavery feudal system if capitalism didn't come in and demand: "Slavery is inefficient and backward. We need to use the wage system to provide these people with even less."

And that's the real reason slavery ended. $_$

Now capitalism is demanding you don't be racist. This bugs people. But I'm telling you -- capitalism is gonna win like it always does.

Basically you got to stand up to that asshole capitalism now and again. But we probably aren't ready to let him go. Technology is starting to get there but its not quite IMO.

[unsunghero]

Capitalism is just too damn good at what it does. It doesn't matter what people want -- capitalism is gonna have its way. We wanted this little old puritan domestic christian scene perserved -- the capitalist party themselves did.

But capitalism came in the form of some cigar chomping baron saying "this is bullshit -- look at all these lazy women having a nice time at home! Put em to work!"

And now I have to listen to what Candiace Owens says.

Who BTW, might still live under a slavery feudal system if capitalism didn't come in and demand: "Slavery is inefficient and backward. We need to use the wage system to provide these people with even less."

And that's the real reason slavery ended. $_$

Now capitalism is demanding you don't be racist. This bugs people. But I'm telling you -- capitalism is gonna win like it always does.

Basically you got to stand up to that asshole capitalism now and again. But we probably aren't ready to let him go. Technology is starting to get there but its not quite IMO.

Yeah I gotta admit some things about capitalism frustrate me as a conservative

Such as when an oligopoly like Big Tech can use but muh private sector to control the flow of information to the public for political purposes

That’s kinda frustrating for me sometimes

[unsunghero]

I’m surprised people can still hear Candace

She hasn’t been cancelled from all social media platforms for WrongThink? Oh wait that’s next week

[Jibartik]

idk what racism has to do with anything here but, ok yeah people are less racist now so that means you cant sell things by saying it's KLU KLUX DELICIOUS!

I dont think you can use capitalism to free the oppressed either if that is what you're suggesting? Like, that capitailsm will drive us to be better?

I'm pretty sure that we drive ourselves to be better by writing music and convincing youth that they should be better, and then those kids grow up and say they want to be better and so to keep up the market changes to reflect that.

The markets are always just playing catchup is what I am saying, not driving the cart.

[JurisDictum]

What I'm saying is that capitalism wants globalization. Which includes a certain globalist anti-racist credo. This is so that money will flow more freely, more qualified people are not blocked by racial requirements etc.

So it seems like a tall order. Humans are racist often times. It's very easy for politicians and other leaders to exploit this. There are some people are naturally less racist. But some are more prone to racism. We all seem to exist somewhere on the continuum.

It's funny because this can be a naturalist way of defining conservatism vs liberalism. Some people are built to think "oh cool, a different looking hot person from another culture or land. Their hot!" They are naturally more trusting and liberal.

The conservative is thinking "we got to make sure this person stays in their lane" and paranoid of the newcomer etc. Their ideal beauty being some reflection of a perfected version of their own culture.

Anyway, both have their problems. But capitalism likes the liberal thought-line more. It's better for business at this point in time. This was not always the case. Its a kind of progression.

This means a lot of people may feel alienated by the "unnatural" feeling of being pushed to accept strange cultures quickly. They would prefer to move a lot slower than capitalism wants them to.

Capitalism likes mass immigration for example. Good for business.

[Mesocyclone]

Doesn't matter if you are good or evil - every one dies forever

[Homesteaded]

What I'm saying is that capitalism wants globalization.

It demands new markets, which is why we have to go to space. Globalization is here and we've seen it's weaknesses during Covid.

[Homesteaded]

Who BTW, might still live under a slavery feudal system if capitalism didn't come in and demand: "Slavery is inefficient and backward. We need to use the wage system to provide these people with even less."

And that's the real reason slavery ended. $_$

Can you elaborate on this for me? It's not connecting.

[Ooloo]

Lol guys capitalism is worse than literal slavery

"Here's the deal, you can either be my literal unpaid slave. Or, you can work at this job and be paid and have a house and stuff."

[Whale biologist]

It demands new markets, which is why we have to go to space.

We don't have to go to space to open new markets!

https://i.imgur.com/TDOOJLY.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/gUhBxcr.png

https://i.imgur.com/Ieq9x31.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/SXfHkhS.jpg

[Gravydoo II]

Yeah, capitalism allowed the purchasing of human beings. You forgot that part.

Capitalism WAS slavery. What system do you think the slavers practiced? communism?? Selling slaves for food? No, for money.

[Elizondo]

Yeah, capitalism allowed the purchasing of human beings. You forgot that part.

Capitalism WAS slavery. What system do you think the slavers practiced? communism?? Selling slaves for food? No, for money.

Some low IQ in your post man

Hammer and Sickle countries are slave states dude. The Government is the slaver and the sheep are the slaves. Doesn't matter what shade your skin is or what god you pray to. Everyone is knee deep in slavery.

At least in a Capitalist country you can buy McDonalds and enjoy a cheeseburger

[Jibartik]

What I'm saying is that capitalism wants globalization. Which includes a certain globalist anti-racist credo. This is so that money will flow more freely, more qualified people are not blocked by racial requirements etc.

So it seems like a tall order. Humans are racist often times. It's very easy for politicians and other leaders to exploit this. There are some people are naturally less racist. But some are more prone to racism. We all seem to exist somewhere on the continuum.

It's funny because this can be a naturalist way of defining conservatism vs liberalism. Some people are built to think "oh cool, a different looking hot person from another culture or land. Their hot!" They are naturally more trusting and liberal.

The conservative is thinking "we got to make sure this person stays in their lane" and paranoid of the newcomer etc. Their ideal beauty being some reflection of a perfected version of their own culture.

Anyway, both have their problems. But capitalism likes the liberal thought-line more. It's better for business at this point in time. This was not always the case. Its a kind of progression.

This means a lot of people may feel alienated by the "unnatural" feeling of being pushed to accept strange cultures quickly. They would prefer to move a lot slower than capitalism wants them to.

Capitalism likes mass immigration for example. Good for business.

Capitalism wants to enslave people and wall them up in coke ovens.

Capitalism does not want globalism, that is a direct result of culture.

People want globalism because they have spent the last 50 years being American liberals who were told the world is theirs to explore at no cost.

That is changing drastically, more nations are becoming more nationalistic, even the EU wants its own army and the whole purpose of it was that we didn't need armies anymore.

Capitalisms is a victim of the trends that people are victims to and globalism is a dying trend.

IMO.

[Gravydoo II]

Some low IQ in your post man

Hammer and Sickle countries are slave states dude. The Government is the slaver and the sheep are the slaves. Doesn't matter what shade your skin is or what god you pray to. Everyone is knee deep in slavery.

At least in a Capitalist country you can buy McDonalds and enjoy a cheeseburger

Yeah, capitalism allowed for the buying and selling of human beings. Capitalism enslaved tens of millions of people. Leopold II, the british slave traders, american colonies, the carribean, Lybia, most any arab nation, basically everyone and nation was a slavery under capitalism. It wasnt until abolitionists became a popular position that it changed.

You can call one man dictating the ruling of an entire country "communism" if you want, but where was the communities say in soviet russia and soviet satalite states? There was none. Thats not communism. Thats a dictatorship with pamphlets. You dont even know what communism means.. You're a fucking idiot and a pussy. I know those two things to be true.

You say "OMG COMMUNISM!!" then describe a dictatorship run by ONE PERSON as communism lol dumb fuck. Oh and if you speak out about it, they kill you. Thatsnot communism. Thats called a totalitarian dictatorship. You see how they sold it to the people with "communism" then it really wasnt...??

See, even you got duped 60 years later. Dumb fuck... LOL yea lets elect one person to control every branch of government! thats communism! derrrrrrrr... fucking idiot.

stick to being a race soldier and dumb ass christian, the economics thing is above your head. You dont even know what the word's you're using mean.

You sound like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71xxvp5R9hE&ab_channel=KenTerminatedbyDQ

[Elizondo]

You can call one man dictating the ruling of an entire country "communism" if you want, but where was the communities say in soviet russia and soviet satalite states? There was none. Thats not communism. Thats a dictatorship with pamphlets. You dont even know what communism means.. You're a fucking idiot and a pussy. I know those two things to be true.

You don't really seem like a good guy man. Maybe a bit bonkers.

Low IQ peeps that believe in the hammer and sickle unicorn always sayin communism wasn't communism. If only we all followed the yellow brick road. Yea man, heard it a million times. I prefer McDonalds.

[Whale biologist]

You don't really seem like a good guy man. Maybe a bit bonkers.

Low IQ peeps that believe in the hammer and sickle unicorn always sayin communism wasn't communism. If only we all followed the yellow brick road. Yea man, heard it a million times. I prefer McDonalds.

No socialist country ever made it to the Emerald City therefore it wasn't Communism.

Time for a banana. 🍌

[Jibartik]

You can call one man dictating the ruling of an entire country "communism" if you want, but where was the communities say in soviet russia and soviet satalite states? There was none. Thats not communism. Thats a dictatorship with pamphlets.

You sound like everyone in history who has ever been promised the virtues and glory of communism and actually tried it.

[Jibartik]

Low IQ peeps that believe in the hammer and sickle unicorn always sayin communism wasn't communism. If only we all followed the yellow brick road. Yea man, heard it a million times. I prefer McDonalds.

To be fair, it wasn't though. But to be fair it never is because you cant rely on people to just build a community for the sake of building a community lol

So they were like, well no contracts, but shootings if you dont do the work then!

And they blamed the failures on the people that wont work (like we're doing with covid and the anti vaxers) and that made the people that did work say it was ok to shoot the people who didn't. But spoiler the people who were working, were not really working. lol people cant live with em cant not be them!

[Mesocyclone]

It don't make a fuck if Red or Blue win, to the ground or urn we're headed.

[Elizondo]

No socialist country ever made it to the Emerald City therefore it wasn't Communism.

Time for a banana. 🍌

Sorry man, but you sound just like the other guy. It never works and it's the same excuse every time. Just wasn't the real deal. Unicorn just around the corner. We promise. Suckers buy into it and then someone has to bury all the bodies.

Hammer and Sickle peeps that pray for the unicorn never look at who planted the tree. That Marx dude was a total loser. Deadbeat who kept askin everyone for spare change all the time. I think a lot of his kids died because he couldn't put food on the table.

It's super funny that a dude that never worked became a Marvel Super Hero for low IQ peeps like biscuits and gravy. It's also super duper funny that the money that was given to him by that Egbert guy was profits from a factory off the backs of factory workers.

[Jibartik]

Evolution implies that communal living can not work. 🤔

[Horza]

Sorry man, but you sound just like the other guy. It never works and it's the same excuse every time. Just wasn't the real deal. Unicorn just around the corner. We promise. Suckers buy into it and then someone has to bury all the bodies.

Hammer and Sickle peeps that pray for the unicorn never look at who planted the tree. That Marx dude was a total loser. Deadbeat who kept askin everyone for spare change all the time. I think a lot of his kids died because he couldn't put food on the table.

It's super funny that a dude that never worked became a Marvel Super Hero for low IQ peeps like biscuits and gravy. It's also super duper funny that the money that was given to him by that Egbert guy was profits from a factory off the backs of factory workers.

Trump lost, stupid.

[Mesocyclone]

It'd don't matter that Blue won, we're all going to die and be dead forever. Reality is the worst nightmare imaginable and no-one understands until health fades.

[Jibartik]

Trump lost, stupid.

https://i.imgur.com/2bkdfV0.png

[Horza]

Trump asks Florida judge to force Twitter to reinstate his account. (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/oct/02/donald-trump-asks-florida-judge-to-force-twitter-to-reinstate-account)

[Jibartik]

yes please lol I cant wait to see those tweets again

[Whale biologist]

Sorry man, but you sound just like the other guy. It never works and it's the same excuse every time. Just wasn't the real deal. Unicorn just around the corner. We promise. Suckers buy into it and then someone has to bury all the bodies.

Hammer and Sickle peeps that pray for the unicorn never look at who planted the tree. That Marx dude was a total loser. Deadbeat who kept askin everyone for spare change all the time. I think a lot of his kids died because he couldn't put food on the table.

It's super funny that a dude that never worked became a Marvel Super Hero for low IQ peeps like biscuits and gravy. It's also super duper funny that the money that was given to him by that Egbert guy was profits from a factory off the backs of factory workers.

I wasn't disagreeing with you, monke.