CORONAVIRUS Death Thread

[Jibartik]

I just don't want to get sick :( Oh well, the longer this lasts the more EQ I get to play.

[Bigsham]

Nothing will stop you from getting sick, no cure is coming and we now have enough infected to properly spread this

Herd immunity is the only thing that will save us

Vaccine dreams are so much further off then people think, has already mutated and 3 strains of covid so far

Also anyone who takes a year 1 vaxx is dumdum

[Jibartik]

Just to be fair from what I know only around 20% of the world got the Spanish flu. So I can avoid it I think.

Now if it can get you like that thing in WoW that made everyone contagious that one time, then I'm in trouble :o

[Nirgon]

https://cbs12.com/news/local/i-team-deaths-incorrectly-attributed-to-covid-19-in-palm-beach-county


lol, second wave

[BlackBellamy]

TL;DR I do feel the same today as I did in March. Healthy skepticism with a hint of trust and a substantial amount of verify.

You're skeptical because you know how the sausage is made. Although I suppose a lot of people do these days, with all the journalism/media majors clogging up the pipes the last couple of decades. Me too. I'm in it waist-deep. I don't believe anything because I see how information is created and monetilated (that's a brand new word I just made up meaning manipulated for money, but not like blackmail or a scam, more like revenue stream optimization, well I guess scam is fine too).

I know confidence in journalism and news has been steadily falling, but I still wonder how the average person's faith in the news has been shaken even further by the conflicting and politicized messages they are receiving every day. How low can it go?

[Rader]

I am so scared! This 0.0001% percent chance of killing me flu I might catch, or maybe I will die in a car accident, or I may slip on the bar of soap as I take a shower tomorrow morning, or Black Lives Matter will snuff my life out for not kneeling at the next national anthem. I guess I need to vote for Joe Biden to avoid any of this nonsense

LOL

[Blingy]

I am so scared! This 0.0001% percent chance of killing me flu I might catch, or maybe I will die in a car accident, or I may slip on the bar of soap as I take a shower tomorrow morning, or Black Lives Matter will snuff my life out for not kneeling at the next national anthem. I guess I need to vote for Joe Biden to avoid any of this nonsense

LOL

**giggle**

Ditto. A few days ago some "reely smert d00d" told me covid-19 has killed more people this year than the next 5 largest causes of death combined.

I don't know if I was crying so hard I was laughing or laughing so hard I was crying. Ignorance can be fixed but stupidity is forever. After trying to correct his ignorance it was very apparent that not knowing something wasn't his problem.

[password]

**giggle**

Ditto. A few days ago some "reely smert d00d" told me covid-19 has killed more people this year than the next 5 largest causes of death combined.

I don't know if I was crying so hard I was laughing or laughing so hard I was crying. Ignorance can be fixed but stupidity is forever. After trying to correct his ignorance it was very apparent that not knowing something wasn't his problem.

Are you ok?

[Mead]

Are you ok?

[Nirgon]

581 deaths on the spreadsheet, only 169 deaths are listed as COVID without any contributing factors.


https://cbs12.com/news/local/i-team-deaths-incorrectly-attributed-to-covid-19-in-palm-beach-county

This is one county in Florida, imagine NYC's fraud.

[BlackBellamy]

https://cbs12.com/news/local/i-team-deaths-incorrectly-attributed-to-covid-19-in-palm-beach-county

This is one county in Florida, imagine NYC's fraud.

Don't attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence. Of course that doesn't apply because we have The Smartest People In The World here, so yeah I guess malice it is.

Anyway, did anyone catch how the NY covid nursing-home massacre disaster was being watched closely by DoD people? I mean I assume most of you didn't but when I see a guy making strange marks on highway marker signs I know what's going on! I got chips! Anyway, I believe the plan is to weaponize grandma. They're going to shoot up some Covid-20 or 21 up her ass and then send her on vacation...to Moscow, Beijing and Tehran!

[Snortles Chortles]

found the glow necro

[Nirgon]

Yeah mass incompetence of testing centers. Lol.

Hey whatever you wanna call it, the numbers are bullshit and getting exposed. Serious lawsuits/licenses lost to follow, I hope.

[Blingy]

Are you ok?

Yea, eventually. I just had to catch my breath and get off the floor. Thanks for the concern. :)

[Mead]

5 covid deaths in 24 hours in our icu. 1 on a med surg unit. All covid positive. While a lot of them had significant comorbidities, covid is what killed them, not a motorcycle accident. These patients are severely hypoxic and very difficult to resuscitate. And even when we bring them back they just end up coding immediately. Some of these patients are in their 50s and most likely would have otherwise lived a longer life with just the pre-existing conditions they had.

As I said before, we don't even give a shit anymore. It's not worth losing sleep over at this point. The disinformation machine is going to keep rolling. But you can mark my words, things will change for you when it hits home. And it will.

[Blingy]

Mead

I'm watching from the opposite side of the fence. While it's sad and unfortunate knowing people are suffering in the hospital and possibly dying the other side of the equation is terrifying.

Six years ago my kids and I started working at a food bank. There were about 20 families that received a box of food every week. Average box had around $150-$200 worth of high quality food. Fresh produce, dairy/eggs, meat, dry goods, etc. filled with donated items. Most families had 2-3 kids, one had 6 kids. Most of these families were escaping some pretty hellish lives from outside our borders. Some families came to the food bank for only a short time, others for years. We also coordinated with 3 other food banks in the area to make sure all the families had at least basic necessities.

Along came covid-19. Even when the initial cases showed up here in the states we started having discussions about "what if" and the like. So when Washington shut down we had a rough guess about how we'd need more food......and we were WAY off. Our food bank had over 100 requests for assistance immediately, the other three were in a similar boat.

We got together with community leaders and other aid organizations. Scrambling to fill requests was exhausting. Yes there was food available but getting it from the farms/ranches/processing plants to the families seemed pretty impossible. The community was as responsive as could be but asking a software developer to drive their Ford F350 (with trailer) from Seattle to Yakima every week to pick up produce for months....yea, not happening. People would rather buy a case of corn and drop it off at a food bank than spend a day a week driving over the pass.

Volunteering at a food bank one day a week with a teenager once a week was a great feeling; today not so much. As time went on more and more people asked for assistance. Many of us are ready to collapse from exhaustion. Today our food bank is supplying food to 700+ families, area-wide we're helping nearly 3,000 families (about 12,500 people). These aren't lazy people but rather people that came to our country, got a minimum wage job but worked their way up to a better paying job only to have things shut down. Imagine going from a $60k/year (this isn't much in Seattle) job supporting your family to working 60 hours a week between 2-3 jobs at minimum wage cleaning carts?

This week is looking pretty abysmal for our "customers". Imagine telling a mother with 2 kids "Here's your 2 cans of corn and 3 packages of top ramen". Yea, that's what I'm going to head out the door to do in a couple hours. Our infection rate over the last 30 days is 1 new case out of 550 people. We're already telling healthy people they have to go hungry because 1 person out of 550 is getting sick.

[Nirgon]

https://www.facebook.com/essence.jade.1/videos/284007476250321/?t=36

You gotta be retarded to listen to all this BLM/COVID shit. Look at the hypocrisy man. LOL.

Brought to you by people behind the Russia collusion tinfoil.....

[HalflingSpergand]

Tldr sick people die and people want free food

[Woke Locc]

https://cbs12.com/news/local/i-team-deaths-incorrectly-attributed-to-covid-19-in-palm-beach-county

This is one county in Florida, imagine NYC's fraud.

If you get bronchitis and develop pneumonia from it and die, what did you die from?

[Jimjam]

People are over estimating Trumps impact on C19 in the US. He is a scapegoat.

The US has an incredibly unhealthy workplace culture. People are incentivised to work when unfit to do so (spreading infections, causing workplace accidents, lowering productivity) and aren’t provided the care and support they need to recover promptly to once again become a productive worker generating worth.

Social pressures means workers will come in when they shouldn’t as employers run skeleton crews as they see employees as a cost to be minimised, not a profitable asset.

Tying healthcare to employment is fundamentally sound, but insurance needs to cover paid time off and conditions for cancelling a workers employment need to be fair.

America would deal with the virus much better if workers weren’t being made to choose between Blingy’s food line now because their employer dismissed them as they wanted to isolate and got made unemployed or Mead’s Cleric Epic cos they kept attending work despite being exposed to C19 risk.

[Lune]

Mead

I'm watching from the opposite side of the fence. While it's sad and unfortunate knowing people are suffering in the hospital and possibly dying the other side of the equation is terrifying.

Six years ago my kids and I started working at a food bank. There were about 20 families that received a box of food every week. Average box had around $150-$200 worth of high quality food. Fresh produce, dairy/eggs, meat, dry goods, etc. filled with donated items. Most families had 2-3 kids, one had 6 kids. Most of these families were escaping some pretty hellish lives from outside our borders. Some families came to the food bank for only a short time, others for years. We also coordinated with 3 other food banks in the area to make sure all the families had at least basic necessities.

Along came covid-19. Even when the initial cases showed up here in the states we started having discussions about "what if" and the like. So when Washington shut down we had a rough guess about how we'd need more food......and we were WAY off. Our food bank had over 100 requests for assistance immediately, the other three were in a similar boat.

We got together with community leaders and other aid organizations. Scrambling to fill requests was exhausting. Yes there was food available but getting it from the farms/ranches/processing plants to the families seemed pretty impossible. The community was as responsive as could be but asking a software developer to drive their Ford F350 (with trailer) from Seattle to Yakima every week to pick up produce for months....yea, not happening. People would rather buy a case of corn and drop it off at a food bank than spend a day a week driving over the pass.

Volunteering at a food bank one day a week with a teenager once a week was a great feeling; today not so much. As time went on more and more people asked for assistance. Many of us are ready to collapse from exhaustion. Today our food bank is supplying food to 700+ families, area-wide we're helping nearly 3,000 families (about 12,500 people). These aren't lazy people but rather people that came to our country, got a minimum wage job but worked their way up to a better paying job only to have things shut down. Imagine going from a $60k/year (this isn't much in Seattle) job supporting your family to working 60 hours a week between 2-3 jobs at minimum wage cleaning carts?

This week is looking pretty abysmal for our "customers". Imagine telling a mother with 2 kids "Here's your 2 cans of corn and 3 packages of top ramen". Yea, that's what I'm going to head out the door to do in a couple hours. Our infection rate over the last 30 days is 1 new case out of 550 people. We're already telling healthy people they have to go hungry because 1 person out of 550 is getting sick.

But the economic catastrophe is worst in the US precisely because our infections are so out of control. You can tell the serfs to get back to the fields all you want, many people are reluctant or outright refuse to subject themselves to the stroke & lung damage lottery so the stock market can keep humming along. And that's not counting the millions of people who are elderly but not yet retired, or have cardio-respiratory comorbidities or diabetes, who have a very real chance of death from this thing. The current economic situation really isn't a result of the shutdown, which in the United States was very lax and short-lived (here in South Carolina, you could barely tell anything was "shut down" at all), but rather from a critical mass of well-justified avoidant behaviors on behalf of consumers and workers, which will remain as long as the infection is perceived as out of control.

Meanwhile in Italy, where their outbreak used to be as bad as ours, things are getting close to normal with some precautions.

"But the economy", oft used by the right to justify destruction of the environment or any number of things, is a horrible and reductionist refrain and I think it shows in this case. Many other people in this thread have admitted they don't really care who or how many die or get hurt from this thing and I think that's sick.

[Gwaihir]

If you get bronchitis and develop pneumonia from it and die, what did you die from?

You died from stupidity, for not having Fish Mox on tap while your 6000 a year mandatory health insurance prescribed PA refuses to prescribe antibiotics because "muh virus" and "antibiotic resistance".

17.99 for 100 500mg pills, breh

[Blingy]

But the economic catastrophe is worst in the US precisely because our infections are so out of control. You can tell the serfs to get back to the fields all you want, many people are reluctant or outright refuse to subject themselves to the stroke & lung damage lottery so the stock market can keep humming along. And that's not counting the millions of people who are elderly but not yet retired, or have cardio-respiratory comorbidities or diabetes, who have a very real chance of death from this thing. The current economic situation really isn't a result of the shutdown, which in the United States was very lax and short-lived (here in South Carolina, you could barely tell anything was "shut down" at all), but rather from a critical mass of well-justified avoidant behaviors on behalf of consumers and workers, which will remain as long as the infection is perceived as out of control.

Meanwhile in Italy, where their outbreak used to be as bad as ours, things are getting close to normal with some precautions.

"But the economy", oft used by the right to justify destruction of the environment or any number of things, is a horrible and reductionist refrain and I think it shows in this case. Many other people in this thread have admitted they don't really care who or how many die or get hurt from this thing and I think that's sick.

How do you propose they get food? put gas in their car? pay other basic necessities?

[Jimjam]

Basic hygiene precautions, paid time off for sick leave.

[Lune]

How do you propose they get food? put gas in their car? pay other basic necessities?

Well, in other wealthy countries they passed generous safety nets to both businesses and individuals to keep people on payroll until they got covid more or less under control and people felt comfortable participating in the economy again without killing grandma.

In the United States, we used barebone, short-lived levels of conditional aid as coercion to try to force people back into the workforce while the infection raged out of control in the leadership vacuum and grassroots science denial. Also the loans intended to prop up employment were further depleted by Republican-condoned theft when the Trump administration removed oversight of how the money was being dispensed.

So yea, I don't have a solution for the millions of Americans who sell their labor to survive because the US had so many chances to minimize Covid's impact and we squandered all of them.

[maskedmelon]

Hysteria has been far more damaging than the virus itself. Hysteria is what prevented many from leaving their homes and worst, what compelled others to remain at home. Those who are too afraid to face the world should be allowed to hide as long as they like, but under no circumstances should they be empowered to deny others their livelihoods. Every person who wants to work should be free too pursue that desire. That doesn’t mean that they should be guaranteed a job, just as those who wish to stay at home should have no guarantee of income.

[BlackBellamy]

but rather from a critical mass of well-justified avoidant behaviors on behalf of consumers and workers, which will remain as long as the infection is perceived as out of control.

I think trying to argue that the economy is in sad shape primarily because people are refusing to work or shop is a non-starter.

The only people I hear don't want to go back to work are teachers, and I wonder where their well-funded perceptions come from because everyone else I know is really really eager to get to work - I mean I'm being facetious everyone knows chaos and dumb kids are good for Democrats and teacher unions are the Democrat Party personified.

Also, while personal income growth dropped 4.2% in May, consumer spending rose 8.2% so people definitely want to shop in spite of having less money.

I think people are really having a hard time with the idea that most Americans are just getting used to it and don't care to exhibit the level of panic or care that they should. People are dying, but people are always dying. They're doing it in the hospitals not in the streets so what do they know except what they see on the news? And the news tells them something else every day. Put your mask on! Take it off! Put it back on!

Covid fatigue has set in.

There were too many conflicting stories, too much panic and then non-panic and then panic again.

Lastly, and I apologize for the huge chart, I think it's valuable to look at the case-mortality ratio. This is your chance of dying if you get Covid.

Cases and mortality by country (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality)

Yemen 27.90% <-- lol omg
United Kingdom 15.30%
Belgium 15.10%
Italy 14.30%
France 13.90%
Hungary 13.60%
Netherlands 11.70%
Mexico 11.30%
Spain 10.50%
Chad 8.20%
Canada 7.80%
Sweden 7.20%
Ecuador 7.00%
Ireland 6.80%
Barbados 6.60%
Liberia 6.40%
Sudan 6.30%
Niger 6.10%
San Marino 6.00%
Syria 6.00%
Andorra 5.80%
Switzerland 5.80%
Slovenia 5.70%
Trinidad and Tobago 5.70%
Guyana 5.40%
China 5.40%
Iran 5.30%
Romania 5.20%
Egypt 5.00%
Burkina Faso 5.00%
Greece 4.90%
Indonesia 4.90%
Mali 4.90%
Peru 4.80%
North Macedonia 4.60%
Denmark 4.50%
Germany 4.40%
Finland 4.40%
Algeria 4.40%
Lithuania 4.10%
Tanzania 4.10%
Iraq 4.00%
Poland 4.00%
Bahamas 4.00%
Kyrgyzstan 3.90%
Guatemala 3.90%
Antigua and Barbuda 3.90%
Angola 3.90%
Sierra Leone 3.80%
Brazil 3.70%
Bolivia 3.70%
US 3.60%

European countries bolded. The reason I think this chart is important is because it negates the perception of how severe the outbreak is. For example if you're in the UK if someone you know gets it there's a roughly 1 in 7 chance you'll never see them again. In the US that chance is 1 out of TWENTY-7. Welcome back Jack, sorry about the slight brain damage, hope it doesn't make you vote for Trump twice.

So in the US people are being bombarded by the news but they don't see people dying. Sure the per/capita rate might be high, but people aren't seeing the mortality. Oh he got sick yeah nothing happened. Not gonna worry about it myself.

People in Italy were and are more compliant because they smelt the bodies. Ours are in some hospital or out back.

[Nirgon]

People are over estimating Trumps impact on C19 in the US. He is a scapegoat.

The US has an incredibly unhealthy workplace culture. People are incentivised to work when unfit to do so (spreading infections, causing workplace accidents, lowering productivity) and aren’t provided the care and support they need to recover promptly to once again become a productive worker generating worth.

Social pressures means workers will come in when they shouldn’t as employers run skeleton crews as they see employees as a cost to be minimised, not a profitable asset.

Tying healthcare to employment is fundamentally sound, but insurance needs to cover paid time off and conditions for cancelling a workers employment need to be fair.

America would deal with the virus much better if workers weren’t being made to choose between Blingy’s food line now because their employer dismissed them as they wanted to isolate and got made unemployed or Mead’s Cleric Epic cos they kept attending work despite being exposed to C19 risk.

The books are cooked. Proven multiple times in this thread.

Combined with the obvious political agenda, hypocrisy of other promoted agendas by the same side and what their activities involve (mass gatherings)... you come to an extremely obvious conclusion. This one isn't hard at all.

[BlackBellamy]

The books are cooked.

You know what's interesting? The international recipes. In the US we bake that Covid all day until it's all swole up and everywhere. In China they just eat it raw trying to put it away as fast as possible, like it wasn't even there.

[Woke Locc]

You know what's interesting? The international recipes. In the US we bake that Covid all day until it's all swole up and everywhere. In China they just eat it raw trying to put it away as fast as possible, like it wasn't even there.

Would the economic damage be worse if we had taken it raw?

What about the death tally?

[BlackBellamy]

Would the economic damage be worse if we had taken it raw?

What about the death tally?

nah i meant we cooked up and they cooked down

no one will ever know the true numbers or will be able to even define what true means

i bet in 60 years it will be illegal to deny the covidcaust in at least 3 western nations

wouldn't it be funny if the final covid toll is 6 million?

[Blingy]

So yea, I don't have a solution for the millions of Americans who sell their labor to survive because the US had so many chances to minimize Covid's impact and we squandered all of them.

So you're blowing smoke up everybody's ass while trying to look all woke. Keep sucking that lying Fauci's dick.

[BlackBellamy]

If we close everything down we will save people from Covid so they can die of hunger.

https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/12000-people-day-could-die-covid-19-linked-hunger-end-year-potentially-more-disease

We are totally dependent on the sale of milk, and with the closure of the market we can’t sell the milk anymore. If we don’t sell milk, we don't eat.” -- Kadidia Diallo, milk producer in Burkina Faso

[Jimjam]

Try ‘glory holes’ for safer sex during coronavirus, CDC says (https://globalnews.ca/news/7204384/coronavirus-glory-holes-sex/amp/)

This is particularly funny in the context that CDC is short for ‘crudely drawn cock’.

[Jimjam]

If we close everything down we will save people from Covid so they can die of hunger.

https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/12000-people-day-could-die-covid-19-linked-hunger-end-year-potentially-more-disease

Missing out a huge opportunity for a delivery service. My dairy got pounded by demand during lockdown. Must be the best year in a long time.

Regarding choosing between disease or famine ... it doesn’t have to be an either / or choice. If people could maintain basic hygiene you’re taught as a kid the R would stay way down. Yea it wouldn’t hit zero, especially as asymptomatic can still spread, but every bit helps.

[Jimjam]

The books are cooked. Proven multiple times in this thread.

Combined with the obvious political agenda, hypocrisy of other promoted agendas by the same side and what their activities involve (mass gatherings)... you come to an extremely obvious conclusion. This one isn't hard at all.

I don’t know. It’s a pretty infectious virus with the potential to be severe for many people. It’s not quite the acoughalypse though and I agree on that.

The situation would be way better if people bothered with basic hygiene but as evidenced by protests they don’t.

Lots of angry ignorant unhealthy unhygienic people oN BoTh sIDeS.

[maskedmelon]

pras jimjam ^^

[Jimjam]

pras jimjam ^^

Take a Bow (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_v8zDNNaWak)

[Rader]

The books are cooked. Proven multiple times in this thread.

Combined with the obvious political agenda, hypocrisy of other promoted agendas by the same side and what their activities involve (mass gatherings)... you come to an extremely obvious conclusion. This one isn't hard at all.

Exactly. We have an American Hitler as President. It is the moral duty of all free-minded folk to do whatever it takes to unseat this threat. You only have to take liberals for their word to know that all this hysteria is of their own making, they are truly justified in their crusade to F over this country the end justifies whatever means are necessary to achieve their goal

[Gwaihir]

Exactly. We have an American Hitler as President. It is the moral duty of all free-minded folk to do whatever it takes to unseat this threat. You only have to take liberals for their word to know that all this hysteria is of their own making, they are truly justified in their crusade to F over this country the end justifies whatever means are necessary to achieve their goal

You forgot to highlight your text in red to denote sarcasm.

[Snortles Chortles]

https://i.imgur.com/lfaDcB2.jpg

[JurisDictum]

it's a crime how this was handled. I am so sorry, Mead. So sorry nobody gets it either, what's really going on i mean. the political situation is nuts. must be hard to listen to the floridians around you.

[Patriam1066]

nah i meant we cooked up and they cooked down

no one will ever know the true numbers or will be able to even define what true means

i bet in 60 years it will be illegal to deny the covidcaust in at least 3 western nations

wouldn't it be funny if the final covid toll is 6 million?

That would definitely not be funny. However, given the spread in India and Latin America, who knows...

[Nirgon]

Some of you guys are coming around and seeing the light of all this.

Fauci promoted Hillary while she lied under oath. It's true.

[Nirgon]

https://twitter.com/Liz_Wheeler/status/1286663994296553475

[BlackBellamy]

Ok I'm having another GENIUS-LEVEL idea. I know because I woke up with a nosebleed this morning and I ran out of cocaine back when NYSE closed the floor and all my friends went home for four months now.

Anyway, someone was talking about the efficacy of various PPE and they mentioned that people wearing bandannas might as well be wearing dishcloths for all the good that does. For those of you who don't know, geniuses work by observing tenuous connections between seeming unrelated things in order to make something new and wonderful (see Al Sharpton).

I want to combine our desire to live with our desire to be comfortable. Whether you want to cool off your boys or like a nice stiff breeze up your flappin clam, while at the same time maintaining proper PPE coverage, this is for you.

Poopsockettes and poopsockers, I present to you my idea:

https://imgur.com/LbdOboj.jpg

https://imgur.com/RyMEmxD.jpg

(I had to make my own model because if you look at https://www.google.com/search?q=loincloth it's literally all white guys pretending to be Tarzan and I'm not a racist or a cultural inappropriator).

[Nirgon]

wonderin about u pal

[Asteria]

Don't u wish coronavirus took me away to the great Elf heavens? :)

[Snortles Chortles]

wonderin about u pal

[Jibartik]

Some of you guys are coming around and seeing the light of all this.

Exactly the number of deaths I was afraid of in january we've hit. So this is exactly what we were afraid of happening. Only you thought this was going to be some movie plot.

There is no "light to see", there are only corpses and your smiling face.

You should think about that.

[Jimjam]

Don't u wish coronavirus took me away to the great Elf heavens? :)

I love all our forumtards. Especially a fellow barbarian shaman that spent time on 7th hammer.

[Bigsham]

yesterday i woke up unable to close my mouth, i had a bacterial infection in my salivary glands and my throat was so dry i thought i had covid again already

are we having fun yet?

[Rader]

Let me put this another way. Lets assume a cure/vaccination is not possible. Ever. Is the best choice to cower in our basement until we die of old age?

I think the answer is obvious, no, we take all prudent measures to avoid passing the flu, but we live our lives to the fullest extent possible until our days are done.

Of course, this is not an option for those Trump haters who just want to stir up shit and create an issue to use against him in the upcoming election.

[Woke Locc]

Let me put this another way. Lets assume a cure/vaccination is not possible. Ever. Is the best choice to cower in our basement until we die of old age?

I think the answer is obvious, no, we take all prudent measures to avoid passing the flu, but we live our lives to the fullest extent possible until our days are done.

Of course, this is not an option for those Trump haters who just want to stir up shit and create an issue to use against him in the upcoming election.

Every issue Trump sucks on is a Democrat plot

Zzz miss me with the retardation bro 😴

[BlackBellamy]

Let me put this another way. Lets assume a cure/vaccination is not possible. Ever. Is the best choice to cower in our basement until we die of old age?

I think the answer is obvious

Yes, quite. I have a plan:




Disable Russia through space-borne high-atmosphere EMP munitions. Use nuclear weapons to destroy Beijing, Shanghai, Berlin, London, Paris, Tehran, Istanbul, Madrid, New Delhi, Karachi, Rome, Mecca and Jerusalem. Declare a unified Earth, eliminate all national borders and use Japanese and Korean troops to enforce order.


Prohibit all birth control and abortion. Shoot the priests and eliminate all laws that interfere with procreation. Build impregnation facilities. Dispense lubricant.


Increase greenhouse emissions. Assign former communication majors as farmers to new arable lands.


Begin construction of colony ships.

[maskedmelon]

Would the impregnation facilities and colony ships be controlled by the state or private enterprise?

Also, what brand of lube and why aren’t we nuking Toronto?

[JurisDictum]

Would the impregnation facilities and colony ships be controlled by the state or private enterprise?

Also, what brand of lube and why aren’t we nuking Toronto?

id glide or wet platinum. I am pretty sure water-based lube is a Democrat plot to help rubbers to keep from breaking. Silicone is best. Colony ships must be voluntarist so we can have ethnoships, country-western ronald raygun themed heterosexual-ONLY trips to the sun with handwashing and bathing exemption, and also colonies filled with "beautiful, educated people enthusiasts". Which of these three most applies to this board? I think we would be the rayguns, if we're not considering lulz/cecily/etc white.

[Nirgon]

https://i.imgur.com/sKJDBiw.png

Jibartik continues to ignore the cooked books being revealed, nursing home packing etc

[Jibartik]

k

[Lune]

Let me put this another way. Lets assume a cure/vaccination is not possible. Ever. Is the best choice to cower in our basement until we die of old age?

I think the answer is obvious, no, we take all prudent measures to avoid passing the flu, but we live our lives to the fullest extent possible until our days are done.

Of course, this is not an option for those Trump haters who just want to stir up shit and create an issue to use against him in the upcoming election.

Nobody is suggesting you cower in your basement. There was a window where a short period of basement cowering would have been productive to buy time to make preparations and POSSIBLY contain the virus to manageable levels, but we botched it here in the US because BOTH SIDES politicized the virus and made it tribal, but whitie righties of course landed on the retarded side of taking no precautions and pretending it didn't exist.

All I want people to do is wear a fucking mask and take some simple precautions, like maybe don't crowd into a bar for a while then go visit your elderly grandparents. It's entirely plausible that some of us can make it until they develop a vaccine without getting this. Not good for the economy but neither is being ravaged by a virus which has a small but non-negligible random chance of either:

1. Killing you
2. Damaging your brain and/or peripheral nerves
3. Damaging your lungs
4. Using you to get to someone vulnerable

To those of us who subscribe to Jesus's teachings, killing somebody else through your greed, selfishness, or carelessness is as wrong.

Though this virus is typically mild, it is must worse than the flu. It has a much higher chance of picking a random, otherwise healthy person and simply detonating one or more of their organs or clotting their blood and causing strokes or vascular dementia.

[bubur]

this is one heckof an election year innit

worried for the national popcorn inventory as we get closer. stock up now!

[HalflingSpergand]

No spread, still doesn't exist

[Bigsham]

https://twitter.com/Liz_Wheeler/status/1286663994296553475

A+ thanks for the laugh

surely dancing in the street will fix the racism issue in america

[Bigsham]

Let me put this another way. Lets assume a cure/vaccination is not possible. Ever. Is the best choice to cower in our basement until we die of old age?

I think the answer is obvious, no, we take all prudent measures to avoid passing the flu, but we live our lives to the fullest extent possible until our days are done.

Of course, this is not an option for those Trump haters who just want to stir up shit and create an issue to use against him in the upcoming election.

Herd immunity

did you know when this hit they told nurses and doctors at mt sinai in manhattan they were not allowed to wear masks? They wanted them sick as fast as possible so they could get better to deal with the masses when they came in

THERE IS NO CURE COMING

if you put your life on hold to hide from covid go get it and hopefully you will get better, if not sorry not sorry

[Gwaihir]

Nobody is suggesting you cower in your basement. There was a window where a short period of basement cowering would have been productive to buy time to make preparations and POSSIBLY contain the virus to manageable levels, but we botched it here in the US because BOTH SIDES politicized the virus and made it tribal, but whitie righties of course landed on the retarded side of taking no precautions and pretending it didn't exist.

All I want people to do is wear a fucking mask and take some simple precautions, like maybe don't crowd into a bar for a while then go visit your elderly grandparents. It's entirely plausible that some of us can make it until they develop a vaccine without getting this. Not good for the economy but neither is being ravaged by a virus which has a small but non-negligible random chance of either:

1. Killing you
2. Damaging your brain and/or peripheral nerves
3. Damaging your lungs
4. Using you to get to someone vulnerable

To those of us who subscribe to Jesus's teachings, killing somebody else through your greed, selfishness, or carelessness is as wrong.

Though this virus is typically mild, it is must worse than the flu. It has a much higher chance of picking a random, otherwise healthy person and simply detonating one or more of their organs or clotting their blood and causing strokes or vascular dementia.

Its pretty obvious by now that it performed #2 on you. Literally no one gives a shit about this thing, except luvs-alot, lionheart, and a small number of other lesser known carebears such as yourself.

Do you ever get tired of imagining yourself in a life of constantly swinging your sword in every direction attempting to slay invisible dragons beseiging you on every side while the rest of the populace just mills about providing a wide berth for you in am attempt to avoid being inadvertently hit by your tired and aimless flailing?

[Tethler]

Its pretty obvious by now that it performed #2 on you. Literally no one gives a shit about this thing, except luvs-alot, lionheart, and a small number of other lesser known carebears such as yourself.

Do you ever get tired of imagining yourself in a life of constantly swinging your sword in every direction attempting to slay invisible dragons beseiging you on every side while the rest of the populace just mills about providing a wide berth for you in am attempt to avoid being inadvertently hit by your tired and aimless flailing?

Imagine being this delusional.

[Nirgon]

Florida Gov. DeSantis calls for investigation into why people are testing “positive” for coronavirus tests they never received

[kjs86z]

Florida Gov. DeSantis calls for investigation into why people are testing “positive” for coronavirus tests they never received

There is definitely a lot of shady shit going on right now.

How about the morbidly obese people dying of heart failure that would have happened without covid, but because they found the virus in their system they are a confirmed covid fatality.

Its all bullshit. This is an experiment to see just how easily people can be manipulated / controlled.

There is no vaccine coming...and if they claim to have it, I am not getting it. It'll be rushed and largely unproven to be safe and the sheep will line up for that shit.

[Bigsham]

Florida Gov. DeSantis calls for investigation into why people are testing “positive” for coronavirus tests they never received

Funding

Just another black hole for money to fall into !

Hospitals were marking people dead with covid19 here so they get more bucks

Everyone profiting off this ( Well smart people )

ill be rich when this is done

[Kraig4600]

As someone whom assists/ counsels COVID patients/ surviviors on a daily basis this whole thread is crazy offensive... Do you have any clue how sad it is counseling widows? For fuck sakes, just today i had two elderly ladies who both survived COVID but both lost there brothers to it... How fucking sad is that? You people are pathetic.
I shouldnt say this but I dont fucking care anymore because if we arent already in hell we are certainly all going there soon - I hope every single COVID denier gets COVID, just so you can see that its real, its bad, and your fucked - enjoy the lung scarring.
To the people doing what they can to survive and make this shit easier, thank you.
To the essential workers whom have to deal with the scummiest most ignorant people in the country, Thank you for everything you do and deal with.

Ignorance may be bliss... but it also means you have no clue what the fuck your talking about.

[BlackBellamy]

As someone whom assists/ counsels COVID patients/ surviviors on a daily basis this whole thread is crazy offensive... Do you have any clue how sad it is counseling widows? For fuck sakes, just today i had two elderly ladies who both survived COVID but both lost there brothers to it... How fucking sad is that? You people are pathetic.
I shouldnt say this but I dont fucking care anymore because if we arent already in hell we are certainly all going there soon - I hope every single COVID denier gets COVID, just so you can see that its real, its bad, and your fucked - enjoy the lung scarring.
To the people doing what they can to survive and make this shit easier, thank you.
To the essential workers whom have to deal with the scummiest most ignorant people in the country, Thank you for everything you do and deal with.

Ignorance may be bliss... but it also means you have no clue what the fuck your talking about.

No no no, not the whole thread! I would say maybe 30%, and it's mostly people who are full of outrage and they say stuff like I hope you die of covid or I hope your whole family gets it and you have to bury them, and then there's people who want to inflict specific wounds, like hope you get brain damage or lung scarring.

You should quit your job as soon as possible. It's going to give you PTSD (I'm not health professional, just an auteur, but I believe it has already started). You think I'm being facetious but your job is best performed by sociopaths who can just mouth the right words and go about their day.

[Bigsham]

Only people who havent gotten it yet or had mild symptoms think its a joke

i will never forget the hollow feeling your dry lungs give as you gasp for air and prey you wont be one of the ones who dont survive

[HalflingSpergand]

Still fake still gay

[kjs86z]

https://i.imgur.com/QPOI0gM.png

[BlackBellamy]

Still fake still gay

[Gustoo]

there are like 1000 covers of the song "wicked game" by Chris Isaak and most of them are pretty good. I suggest enjoying them to anyone.

[Evia]

Nobody is suggesting you cower in your basement. There was a window where a short period of basement cowering would have been productive to buy time to make preparations and POSSIBLY contain the virus to manageable levels, but we botched it here in the US because BOTH SIDES politicized the virus and made it tribal, but whitie righties of course landed on the retarded side of taking no precautions and pretending it didn't exist.

All I want people to do is wear a fucking mask and take some simple precautions, like maybe don't crowd into a bar for a while then go visit your elderly grandparents. It's entirely plausible that some of us can make it until they develop a vaccine without getting this. Not good for the economy but neither is being ravaged by a virus which has a small but non-negligible random chance of either:

1. Killing you
2. Damaging your brain and/or peripheral nerves
3. Damaging your lungs
4. Using you to get to someone vulnerable

To those of us who subscribe to Jesus's teachings, killing somebody else through your greed, selfishness, or carelessness is as wrong.

Though this virus is typically mild, it is must worse than the flu. It has a much higher chance of picking a random, otherwise healthy person and simply detonating one or more of their organs or clotting their blood and causing strokes or vascular dementia.


the part about this that I find terrifying is how you've somehow turned people who aren't afraid of the virus and/or don't want to wear a mask into selfish killers? way to generalize in the most ignorant way possible.

the truth and irony here, is YOU ARE being selfish by expecting someone else to adhere to YOUR idea of health and safety protocols. Not mine, yours.
Maybe I think breathing in Co2 all day is detrimental to my health and safety?
why does your fear and concern over this virus now over ride my ability to make my own choices for my own health?
if you're so concerned, then you can wear the mask and protect yourself.
forcing others to wear masks so YOU feel better is fucking asinine and 1000% wrong.
Why are you projecting your views and beliefs onto someone else?

[Nirgon]

0% chance if I got it that it'd killed me or most people.

Odds are I had it and experienced no symptoms, again like most people (99.94%).

Quaruntine the elderly and those with serious health issues, absolutely, but this shit is 10x over.

We need serious class action lawsuits and licenses revoked over falsely reporting this stuff.

[Lune]

the part about this that I find terrifying is how you've somehow turned people who aren't afraid of the virus and/or don't want to wear a mask into selfish killers.

the truth and irony here is YOU ARE being selfish by expecting someone else to adhere to YOUR idea of health and safety protocols.
Maybe I think breathing in Co2 all day is detrimental to my health and safety?
why does your fear and concern over this virus now over ride my ability to make my own choices for my own health?
if you're so concerned, then you can wear the mask and protect yourself.
Why are you projecting your views and beliefs onto someone else?

so while you think you need to white knight the entire public for the 'greater good' because your scientists over at the CDC told you the 'truth' -- other people may not share your beliefs as truth and that used to be OK in America. We start treading into some sketchy territory when we start forcing beliefs and ideals down one anothers throats...

Ideas have merit. Some ideas are better than others. My idea of health and safety protocols is objectively better than yours because it is backed by evidence. I'm not sure what the CO2 comment is about or if you have any background in physiology but we literally breathe CO2 in and out all day every day, it's in our blood, our blood is buffered, and we have homeostatic mechanisms to regulate the CO2 we breathe far in excess even of what you erroneously think is being trapped by a mask. Unless you are literally hitting your VO2 max walking up stairs, in which case you shouldn't even be leaving your house with a pandemic respiratory disease about, masks have no effect on your respiration. Masks do far more to protect other people than they do to protect the wearer, which is why it is so important everyone wears one to decrease the aggregate infectiousness of the virus.

You signed away some small part of your ability to make your own choices when you were born into a social contract with everyone else in society; it's the same contract that says you can't drive drunk or shit in the water supply when the rest of society decides they don't want that, or why people in general expect other people to wash their hands after they take a shit.

0% chance if I got it that it'd killed me or most people.

Odds are I had it and experienced no symptoms, again like most people (99.94%).

Quaruntine the elderly and those with serious health issues, absolutely, but this shit is 10x over.

We need serious class action lawsuits and licenses revoked over falsely reporting this stuff.

You're misinformed; best evidence is currently about 35% asymptomatic with fatality rate .4% among people with symptoms. Stop spreading lies.

[Nirgon]

I love the "I hope you get it" like tons of people aren't testing positive and have no symptoms. Furthermore, I showed direct documentation from the CDC about what a positive test means - it can be any number of viruses from the coronavirus family especially something minor. "Spreading lies" lol... linking CDC documentation... whew.

[Trexller]

Agreed Nirgon.

Its also worth mentioning that ~200 strains of coronavirus are the common cold, which also gives you a positive coronavirus test.

the strain designated as covid-19 is consider "novel" as it is new to humans. Nobody believes CDC or States' death rates as they are not considering any comorbidity factors in their counts of the dead.

https://i.imgur.com/r54D76c.jpg

[Lune]

Agreed Nirgon.

Its also worth mentioning that ~200 strains of coronavirus are the common cold, which also gives you a positive coronavirus test.

the strain designated as covid-19 is consider "novel" as it is new to humans. Nobody believes CDC or States' death rates as they are not considering any comorbidity factors in their counts of the dead.

Wrong. Deeply flawed antibody tests are the ones that can show positive due to other strains of coronavirus. That is not the case with the antigen tests used for diagnostics.

Stop spreading lies.

[Nirgon]

"Stop reposting the CDC documentation the media is selectively ignoring."

"Stop showing media hypocrisy esp with masks"

"Stop showing political hypocrisy with not shaming the rioters like the lock down protestors"

etc etc etc

[Lune]

Don't be mad you can't think of one good reason why you shouldn't wear a mask other than because your ideological integrity never progressed beyond that of a toddler--

and you came down on the wrong side of this issue & can't handle being told you're not just wrong but so wrong it's harmful to society.

Also I'll shame the rioters all day. Shit was stupid, they should have worn masks and kept apart or stayed home. There's a reason infection demographics are skewing the way they are.

[Trexller]

I wear a mask anytime i go to a public place. I do believe there is a new virus, I dont wanna catch it until they get better at treating it.

And really, why not? Especially when you can get masks as cool as mine!

https://i.imgur.com/RoUZd61.jpg

[Kich867]

the part about this that I find terrifying is how you've somehow turned people who aren't afraid of the virus and/or don't want to wear a mask into selfish killers? way to generalize in the most ignorant way possible.

the truth and irony here, is YOU ARE being selfish by expecting someone else to adhere to YOUR idea of health and safety protocols. Not mine, yours.
Maybe I think breathing in Co2 all day is detrimental to my health and safety?
why does your fear and concern over this virus now over ride my ability to make my own choices for my own health?
if you're so concerned, then you can wear the mask and protect yourself.
forcing others to wear masks so YOU feel better is fucking asinine and 1000% wrong.
Why are you projecting your views and beliefs onto someone else?

Why are _you_ projecting your beliefs onto objective facts? Masks don't impact your ability to breath and they don't affect your level of oxygen.

Some people wear medical masks for hours on end every single day, its a part of their job, it is factual that this is not an issue they've been doing it for years.

Surgeon's don't wear a mask while they operate on you because they're afraid toxic shit is spewing from your body, they do it to prevent their own germs from entering _you_. Why the fuck does anyone think the opposite? Masks protect the people around you from your disgusting ass coughs.

Get out of here with that stupid Karen bullshit.

[Nirgon]

Lune you can wear your mask all you want since its so effective. You can hide in a basement until there's 0 reported cases of any positive corona virus tests. Everyone else doesn't have to.

[Trexller]

Then why do the orders have exemptions for people with health problems?

Thats right. I live in PA and according to the governor's and frankenstein heath secretary's orders people with asthma and other breathing conditions are exempt from masks

I have asthma, im wearing a mask tho just to avoid the petty fights people are getting into over it. Also my masks make statements to other gamers who will understand. see abova.

[Tethler]

I love the "I hope you get it" like tons of people aren't testing positive and have no symptoms. Furthermore, I showed direct documentation from the CDC about what a positive test means - it can be any number of viruses from the coronavirus family especially something minor. "Spreading lies" lol... linking CDC documentation... whew.

Got that CDC documentation for "99.94% of cases are symptomless"?

[Bigsham]

0% chance if I got it that it'd killed me or most people.

Odds are I had it and experienced no symptoms, again like most people (99.94%).

Quaruntine the elderly and those with serious health issues, absolutely, but this shit is 10x over.

We need serious class action lawsuits and licenses revoked over falsely reporting this stuff.

I have a friend who was on a ventilator for 28 days, they said they needed it for someone else and the plug was pulled. They put him in a bodybag when he was still alive.

Must be a fake virus.

I talked to a nun today that mentioned the 12 nuns that died at 1 church of covid last week, also must have been fake

[Trexller]

Got that CDC documentation for "99.94% of cases are symptomless"?

why bother? common logic suggests their numbers are hyper inflated and super unreliable.

Accidental release or Plandemic, a new virus does exist, and it is being used to pound the public into submission.

[Patriam1066]

Ironically, the nations where people did simple things, like wear a mask, are now having to “be pounded into submission” quite less than we are!

really makes u think

[Trexller]

Ironically, the nations where people did simple things, like wear a mask, are now having to “be pounded into submission” quite less than we are!

really makes u think

I didn't say masks won't help curb the spread of the virus, It needs to be curtailed for the sake of our betters. Think bigger.

What head of state of a real country has contracted and died?

What super rich person has contracted and died?

The reality is this virus is super treatable to ensure only the right people are taken out.

Think of the price tag on universal health care. It would cost trillions upon trillions. If you take out the elderly, the chronically ill, the immune compromised, then that price tag becomes more manageable.

[Tethler]

why bother? common logic suggests their numbers are hyper inflated and super unreliable.

Accidental release or Plandemic, a new virus does exist, and it is being used to pound the public into submission.

Yeah, you're right. Why bother backing up our claims with evidence. Especially when those claims are damaging to public health.

[Raev]

Lune, are you aware of any studies that have attempted to measure a causal relation between a positive COVID DNA test and actual symptoms? As a scientist I am sure you know that one cannot simply divide deaths by positive tests due to sampling bias, which is why in March Business Insider (https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-compared-seasonal-flu-in-the-us-death-rates-2020-3?op=1) can say that the global death rate was 5% globally, 11% in Italy, and 1.8% in the US in comparison to the flu at 0.1% while the July CDC Estimate (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html) is now 0.65%. Do you know how the CDC is deriving their estimate? They must be trying to correct somehow as it's lower than deaths / tests, but on the other hand motorcycle deaths are now caused by COVID (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/florida-health-official-admits-man-who-died-in-motorcycle-crash-listed-as-coronavirus-death) and African livestock and fruits are testing positive (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8ASQLs088A) so I think it would be hard to get good data.

There is so much noise out there that I'm not even trying to read it all and am just going with my gut feeling that COVID is mostly media panic with very little scientific rigor, that the death rate is likely much lower than 0.65%, and that under 1% is hardly a huge problem anyway. We all die someday and I personally prefer quality to quantity of life, while wearing masks turns us all into unemotional, faceless slaves who can't communicate with each other. John Waters (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhnzV1rBK2k) says it well. That said, I would be open to changing my mind if a well designed study showed the CDC has somehow significantly underestimated the rate of death or major symptoms.

Also, JP (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H-6HTKNgV0) has a bunch of really funny videos on COVID.

[GinnasP99]

John Waters (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhnzV1rBK2k)

This guy is woke af

[Lune]

Lune, are you aware of any studies that have attempted to measure a causal relation between a positive COVID DNA test and actual symptoms? As a scientist I am sure you know that one cannot simply divide deaths by positive tests due to sampling bias, which is why in March Business Insider (https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-compared-seasonal-flu-in-the-us-death-rates-2020-3?op=1) can say that the global death rate was 5% globally, 11% in Italy, and 1.8% in the US in comparison to the flu at 0.1% while the July CDC Estimate (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html) is now 0.65%. Do you know how the CDC is deriving their estimate? They must be trying to correct somehow as it's lower than deaths / tests, but on the other hand motorcycle deaths are now caused by COVID (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/florida-health-official-admits-man-who-died-in-motorcycle-crash-listed-as-coronavirus-death) and African livestock and fruits are testing positive (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8ASQLs088A) so I think it would be hard to get good data.

There is so much noise out there that I'm not even trying to read it all and am just going with my gut feeling that COVID is mostly media panic with very little scientific rigor, that the death rate is likely much lower than 0.65%, and that under 1% is hardly a huge problem anyway. We all die someday and I personally prefer quality to quantity of life, while wearing masks turns us all into unemotional, faceless slaves who can't communicate with each other. John Waters (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhnzV1rBK2k) says it well. That said, I would be open to changing my mind if a well designed study showed the CDC has somehow significantly underestimated the rate of death or major symptoms.

Also, JP (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H-6HTKNgV0) has a bunch of really funny videos on COVID.

I don't deny there are problems with the current epidemiology evidence, but you have to ask yourself: Who is benefiting from using isolated incidents to spread rumors that the US is mass-counting motorcycle deaths to artificially inflate COVID statistics? And for those who take issue with the evidence, are they substituting superior evidence of their own?

My father in law is an infectious disease specialist who worked with Fauci, has invented vaccines, was the chief of his field at Johns Hopkins, etc and we talk a lot about this. The evidence you actually have access to goes far beyond CDC guidelines, news reports, and youtube videos. We know beyond a reasonable doubt that:

1. The disease has a much higher death rate among vulnerable populations, as high as 10-15% in those who are more than 80 years old with cardiovascular comorbidities
2. It has a genetic-lottery interplay with your blood such that in some individuals it has been responsible for strokes, pulmonary embolisms, brain damage, and blood vessel damage.
3. If you happen to get a bad case, even if you don't die, it will scar your lungs, and you have that for the rest of your life.

By those facts alone I can't imagine how this could be perceived as media panic. There are a lot of people in this country who don't like the way their stocks are performing and want you to get back to work whether it is dangerous or not, regardless of the threat to society's vulnerable population. So you don't necessarily have to have faith in the CDC's estimate of the death rate, you just have to care enough about other people to want to protect them just in case.

If your answer is YOLO, or that the minor interpersonal inconvenience of having to have a mask over your face is too much to bear, that's your choice (for now, usually). I just think it is an unethical one.

[DMN]

I don't deny there are problems with the current epidemiology evidence, but you have to ask yourself: Who is benefiting from using isolated incidents to spread rumors that the US is mass-counting motorcycle deaths to artificially inflate COVID statistics? And for those who take issue with the evidence, are they substituting superior evidence of their own?

Political hacks are benefiting since they think it will help them oust trump. There were two real doctors on youtube who said they have heard other doctors personally tell them they have been pressured to label non-c19 deaths as actual c19-deaths. What do those doctors gain by telling us this?

The other people are the ones who are just greedy. just like pretty much every university study ends with asking for more money for this "incredibly serious issue--as we have shown here'". Anyone who thinks they can profit from the new, afraid american public are licking their lips. Many are in the medical industry or tangential to it.

[Raev]

I don't deny there are problems with the current epidemiology evidence, but you have to ask yourself: Who is benefiting from using isolated incidents to spread rumors that the US is mass-counting motorcycle deaths to artificially inflate COVID statistics?
I feel like the burden of proof should lie with the people who want to make everyone wear masks and social distance and shut down the economy and so on.


2. It has a genetic-lottery interplay with your blood such that in some individuals it has been responsible for strokes, pulmonary embolisms, brain damage, and blood vessel damage.
3. If you happen to get a bad case, even if you don't die, it will scar your lungs, and you have that for the rest of your life.


What is your evidence, though? I did a quick search of google scholar for 'covid stroke' and I found this paper (https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s12975-020-00818-9.pdf), which states "In a retrospective study of 214 hospitalized COVID-19 patients from Wuhan, China, 5.7% of the severe patients suffered a stroke". You and I both know that statements like this are garbage. What are 'severe patients'? Everything depends on the sampling bias. And I can't check the reference, because it no longer exists (https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3544840). I am perfectly willing to amend my position if you can show that, say, while only 0.5% of COVID patients die, another 5% suffer significant permanent injury, but I have yet to see any evidence for it.


If your answer is YOLO, or that the minor interpersonal inconvenience of having to have a mask over your face is too much to bear, that's your choice (for now, usually). I just think it is an unethical one.

I think I was pretty clear that I don't view masks as a minor interpersonal inconvenience.

[Woke Locc]

3. If you happen to get a bad case, even if you don't die, it will scar your lungs, and you have that for the rest of your life.

Describe the cause of this. It may be useful to explain how exactly the lung becomes scarred. Tell them and frighten them.

You can save lives.

[BlackBellamy]

This guy is woke af

"That's what this project is all about" he says. One thing you can tell right away is when some wild-haired Mick starts organizing, here comes trouble. So him and his chuckling suit are challenging this tyranny as a project. Well good for them! Imagine being able to combine the personal anguish of official oppression with the satisfaction of striking a blow against the unprincipled King.

Here is a list of recent headlines from various sources:


Sweden becomes an example of how not to handle COVID-19, CBS News
Lack of Lockdown Increased COVID-19 Deaths in Sweden, U of V Newsroom
Sweden Has Become the World’s Cautionary Tale, New York Times
Sweden Stayed Open And More People Died Of Covid-19, But The Real Reason May Be Something Darker, Forbes
Sweden hoped herd immunity would curb COVID-19. Don’t do what we did. It’s not working. USA Today
Sweden’s coronavirus death toll is now approaching zero, but experts are warning others not to hail it as a success, Business Insider
Lack of COVID-19 Lockdown Increased Deaths in Sweden, Analysis Conclude, Virginia edu
Sweden COVID-19 Deaths Linked to Failure to Lockdown as Country Prepares for Second Wave, Newsweek
Sweden Tries Out a New Status: Pariah State, New York Times


Everyone is down on Sweden. That's the official line coming out of our overlords. We must hate Sweden because. Because...they never locked down! We must be locked down and they weren't and we just need to point out how bad they did. Look how bad they did!

Yes look:

https://imgur.com/SR2RnTB.jpg

All those articles were written recently.

Look in the mirror! Don't look through the smoke!

[Bigsham]

Yea it didnt spread fast in sweden because no one goes there and the people dont travel much its like denmark, netherlands and all the other worthless euro countries no one gives a shit about

[gherron]

0% chance if I got it that it'd killed me or most people.

Odds are I had it and experienced no symptoms, again like most people (99.94%).

Quaruntine the elderly and those with serious health issues, absolutely, but this shit is 10x over.

We need serious class action lawsuits and licenses revoked over falsely reporting this stuff.

This is THE moment for all incels and single white men with no close family ties guys! Finally, it's time we get to strut while all the Chads are inside or hiding behind masks!

[kaizersoze]

I feel like the burden of proof should lie with the people who want to make everyone wear masks and social distance and shut down the economy and so on.



What is your evidence, though? I did a quick search of google scholar for 'covid stroke' and I found this paper (https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s12975-020-00818-9.pdf), which states "In a retrospective study of 214 hospitalized COVID-19 patients from Wuhan, China, 5.7% of the severe patients suffered a stroke". You and I both know that statements like this are garbage. What are 'severe patients'? Everything depends on the sampling bias. And I can't check the reference, because it no longer exists (https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3544840). I am perfectly willing to amend my position if you can show that, say, while only 0.5% of COVID patients die, another 5% suffer significant permanent injury, but I have yet to see any evidence for it.



I think I was pretty clear that I don't view masks as a minor interpersonal inconvenience.

https://news.umiamihealth.org/en/what-are-the-long-term-effects-of-covid-19/

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200622-the-long-term-effects-of-covid-19-infection

The rest of the world has been distancing and shutting down temporarily and yes, thier economies did take a hit. Though many of them (such as Italy who was being ravaged) are now back to normal with the virus all but eradicated by following along with the WHO's guidelines while we are still getting many new cases every single day because we have the "I don't want to wear a mask or social distance" crowd. If we are the only ones who are still being effected as seriously as we are, I find it very doubtful the rest of the world is wrong.

I understand people think that their freedom is at stake, though for instance during the world wars people in England had curfews instated and orders to keep their lights off during bombings. These things werent to strip away freedom, it was to save lives. I've heard so many people say "let it kill who it's going to kill" and the notion, to me, is disgusting. Many cases can be mild and recovered from, but if you're in a high risk group or happen to catch a rapidly evolving form of the virus because it's spreading so quickly, you can easily end up like the man who survived, but ended up with a 1.1 million dollar hospital bill.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/inspiring-story-of-seattle-mans-coronavirus-survival-comes-with-a-1-1-million-dollar-hospital-bill/

As for keeping the economy shut down, it was intended to be a temporary measure to ensure people's safety. We have completely disregarded it because we decided that the virus was over prematurely and paid dearly for it. A lot of the stimulus money that was intended to go to small businesses like mom and pop shops so they could stay afloat during this time was sucked up by larger companies who have teams of lawyers who can comb through the documents much more quickly due to a lack of oversight in the process. Now all of the money (what was the figure, 3 trillion dollars?) that we printed to pump into the stock market will just devalue the dollar further, which so far this year has been about 4.5% as of right now, and will further do so if we need to shut back down fully again and be more catastrophic than if we had just done it right the first time.

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/currency

[Nirgon]

I have a friend who was on a ventilator for 28 days, they said they needed it for someone else and the plug was pulled. They put him in a bodybag when he was still alive.

Must be a fake virus.

I talked to a nun today that mentioned the 12 nuns that died at 1 church of covid last week, also must have been fake

Im digging a mass grave right now. Burying my whole neighborhood and the adjacent one.

[Lune]

Describe the cause of this.

The virus attacks tissues in your lungs, damaging them and making areas of your lung that normally participate in ventilation and perfusion inert, decreasing your respiratory capacity. Damage caused by the virus, coupled with disruption of cell-mediated immunity (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7205903/), predisposes the lung to further opportunistic infections by bacteria. Fibrotic tissue is a better medium for bacteria and fungi than healthy vascular alveoli. Ventilation in the ICU due to acute respiratory failure caused by severe cases of the covids are another source of pathogenic colonization of the lung which can cause damage.

Very, very few people who get coronavirus get a severe case. Few of those with severe cases require ventilation in the ICU. From there, few end up with lasting damage (https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/what-coronavirus-does-to-the-lungs).

Masking and distancing is meant more to protect the vulnerable than the young and healthy, people who may have as high as 10 to 15% chance of death or lasting effects, compared to less than 1% for you or I. As someone who works with geriatrics these aren't braindead zombies sitting around in nursing homes or living with family saying "Meh I could live or die, idc", they are human beings, the vast majority of whom want to live longer. The greater the proportion of society that becomes infected, the more difficult it will be for these people to avoid infection themselves.

Even if coronavirus were just another strain of the flu, no more or less dangerous, there is a reason all staff who work around geriatrics or in inpatient settings are required to get flu shots and practice basic public health concepts-- the flu absolutely ravages old people, just like coronavirus does. It would be asinine during a flu pandemic where close to half, possibly more, of cases are asymptomatic, to go waltzing around old people without any precautions-- just like it's asinine to not practice universal masking and simple distancing with coronavirus.

[Lune]

"That's what this project is all about" he says. One thing you can tell right away is when some wild-haired Mick starts organizing, here comes trouble. So him and his chuckling suit are challenging this tyranny as a project. Well good for them! Imagine being able to combine the personal anguish of official oppression with the satisfaction of striking a blow against the unprincipled King.

Here is a list of recent headlines from various sources:


Sweden becomes an example of how not to handle COVID-19, CBS News
Lack of Lockdown Increased COVID-19 Deaths in Sweden, U of V Newsroom
Sweden Has Become the World’s Cautionary Tale, New York Times
Sweden Stayed Open And More People Died Of Covid-19, But The Real Reason May Be Something Darker, Forbes
Sweden hoped herd immunity would curb COVID-19. Don’t do what we did. It’s not working. USA Today
Sweden’s coronavirus death toll is now approaching zero, but experts are warning others not to hail it as a success, Business Insider
Lack of COVID-19 Lockdown Increased Deaths in Sweden, Analysis Conclude, Virginia edu
Sweden COVID-19 Deaths Linked to Failure to Lockdown as Country Prepares for Second Wave, Newsweek
Sweden Tries Out a New Status: Pariah State, New York Times


Everyone is down on Sweden. That's the official line coming out of our overlords. We must hate Sweden because. Because...they never locked down! We must be locked down and they weren't and we just need to point out how bad they did. Look how bad they did!

Yes look:

All those articles were written recently.

Look in the mirror! Don't look through the smoke!

You're misinterpreting this. Sweden eventually got their deaths under control like almost all wealthy countries except the United States, but at the cost of much higher death numbers (https://www.google.com/search?q=sweden+cornanvirus+deaths&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS728US728&oq=sweden+cornanvirus+deaths&aqs=chrome..69i57.5535j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8), both in sheer numbers and per capita, than (https://www.google.com/search?q=denmark+coronavirus+deaths&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS728US728&oq=denmark+coronavirus+deaths&aqs=chrome..69i57.5303j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8) comparable (https://www.google.com/search?q=norway+coronavirus+deaths&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS728US728&oq=norway+coronavirus+deaths&aqs=chrome..69i57.4087j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8) countries (https://www.google.com/search?q=finland+coronavirus+deaths&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS728US728&oq=finland+coronavirus+deaths&aqs=chrome..69i57.2743j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8).

For those too lazy to clack the lanks, Sweden has had 5,700 deaths with 10 mil population. Denmark 613 deaths 5 mil population, Norway 255 deaths 5 mil population, Finland 329 deaths 5 mil population. All suffered similar levels of economic damage.

[HalflingSpergand]

I've been noticing that the virus is very much not a real thing. It's a group think activity.

[JurisDictum]

The situation is very, very serious. The human population, particularly of the US, have been targeted by capitalists to wipe out a vulnerable and expensive subgroup. The brain-scrambling machine has the normies gargling at the trough even as they drop like flies. CARES was the largest upward transfer of wealth in human history and the narrative is to whine about some people getting bonus pay through the broken, inhumane and exclusive cash assistance system ("unemployment" without a ubi.) The electorate has HANDED ITSELF IN. Take all our money and what did we get, a small check? And we resent each other for receiving even that help. Democracy demonstrably no longer works. We are not fit to govern ourselves.

I continue not to know what you all are waiting for. I can't believe there are people still working normal jobs right now thinking things will go back to normal soon, or thinking there's an "honest day's labor" to be found dealing in this funny money in this depraved and bloodstained machine. And as for the antimaskers, it's beyond the pale. It's murder to continue holding certain values and perspectives at this point in the crisis. Come to grips with the fact that your stupidity has already murdered 100k+ Americans and change your fucking mind. We just can't continue being the people we were before. This is not working. We are retarded and soulless and without love.

These optics of personal interaction aren't cutting it either. These empty, tortured souls we struggle to love are not cutting it. These families which eject their children. Fathers so fanatical that they'd withhold a leg up to "teach a lesson". Please spread love and get ready. Get a fucking grip and a perspective on what is happening to this country right now. It's not a drill this time. PS, the economic opportunity is huge. -j

[HalflingSpergand]

Despair heavy homosexual post

[JurisDictum]

Despair heavy homosexual post

rogan heavy hetero persona :p

[HalflingSpergand]

Rogan is a homosexual.

Rohan is where hetero heros come from

[Rader]

You can go F off

Telling me that my desire to not cower in my basement is racist, is complete BS. How many people have died from alcoholism or substance abuse because they lost their jobs? How many suicides have their been? Oh yeah those don't matter. Because you are a heartless F er sniveling so hard because you want Trump to go down in the polls.

[Lune]

You can go F off

Telling me that my desire to not cower in my basement is racist, is complete BS. How many people have died from alcoholism or substance abuse because they lost their jobs? How many suicides have their been? Oh yeah those don't matter. Because you are a heartless F er sniveling so hard because you want Trump to go down in the polls.

It sounds like coronavirus wants Trump to go down in the polls the way it's targeting the US specifically. You know, either that or having a large segment of the population completely denying the severity or even existence of the virus. We share our plight with Brazil, with a public similarly ill-suited for democracy.

Ignoring the virus and letting it rampage is only going to make the economic fallout worse.

[DMN]

It sounds like coronavirus wants Trump to go down in the polls the way it's targeting the US specifically. You know, either that or having a large segment of the population completely denying the severity or even existence of the virus. We share our plight with Brazil, with a public similarly ill-suited for democracy.

Ignoring the virus and letting it rampage is only going to make the economic fallout worse.

Mostly killing urban filth and minorities, AKA the demonicrat party.

[gherron]

For those too lazy to clack the lanks, Sweden has had 5,700 deaths with 10 mil population. Denmark 613 deaths 5 mil population, Norway 255 deaths 5 mil population, Finland 329 deaths 5 mil population. All suffered similar levels of economic damage.

No no please, do not provide factual evidence and research. Let the stupid reap what they sow.

[Woke Locc]

It sounds like coronavirus wants Trump to go down in the polls the way it's targeting the US specifically. You know, either that or having a large segment of the population completely denying the severity or even existence of the virus. We share our plight with Brazil, with a public similarly ill-suited for democracy.

Ignoring the virus and letting it rampage is only going to make the economic fallout worse.

To this point, half measures are the worst of both worlds

We are a selfish, spoiled people :(

[Blingy]

Just going to toss one little thing out here.....do NOT use the Seattle Times as a source of information. The only people in the state that believe them are woke knuckle dragging mouth breathers that pretend to be educated but don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

As far as his $1M hospital bill:

The bill is technically an explanation of charges, and because Flor has insurance including Medicare, he won’t have to pay the vast majority of it. In fact because he had COVID-19, and not a different disease, he might not have to pay anything — a quirk of this situation I’ll get to in a minute.

Flor says he may not ultimately need to pay for much of his treatment. He’s insured by Medicare and Medicare Advantage through Kaiser Permanente. The health care company has announced that it will waive most out-of-pocket costs for COVID-19 patients through 2020.

There also are special financial rules that apply only to COVID-19. Congress set aside more than $100 billion to help hospitals and insurance companies defray the costs of the pandemic, in part to encourage people to seek testing and treatment (including those with no insurance). As a result, Flor probably won't have to pay even his Medicare Advantage policy's out-of-pocket charges, which could have amounted to $6,000.

[maskedmelon]

Describe the cause of this. It may be useful to explain how exactly the lung becomes scarred. Tell them and frighten them.

You can save lives.

I enjoyed this post ^o^ I actually lol’d

[Lune]

Mostly killing urban filth and minorities, AKA the demonicrat party.

Actually mostly killing elderly individuals who tend to swing Republican. Nice try though sicko

[DMN]

Actually mostly killing elderly individuals who tend to swing Republican. Nice try though sicko

Mostly old fuckers named shit like Noah Finkelstein. They don't vote repub. They are red diaper, low IQ, vile urban filth; kinda like you pretend to be.

[Nocht]

Actually mostly killing elderly individuals who tend to swing Republican. Nice try though sicko

Can you make a post without including an ad hominem on the individual you disagree with?

[Wrekt]

Im digging a mass grave right now. Burying my whole neighborhood and the adjacent one.

Good, you dumb, racist bitch. Make sure to jump in there first yourself.

Honestly, though, make sure to go find a bunch of people that think the way you do, get drunk together and sing songs making fun of people that believe in science.

Hope you fucking get Coronavirus, give it to someone you love and nature takes care of the rest.

[douglas1999]

Good, you dumb, racist bitch. Make sure to jump in there first yourself.

Honestly, though, make sure to go find a bunch of people that think the way you do, get drunk together and sing songs making fun of people that believe in science.

Hope you fucking get Coronavirus, give it to someone you love and nature takes care of the rest.

beep beep beep beep perfectly sane person detected!

[Patriam1066]

Y’all really went unhinged the last couple of pages

Probably should get laid every once in a while, angry fucks

[Nocht]

Good, you dumb, racist bitch. Make sure to jump in there first yourself.

Honestly, though, make sure to go find a bunch of people that think the way you do, get drunk together and sing songs making fun of people that believe in science.

Hope you fucking get Coronavirus, give it to someone you love and nature takes care of the rest.

How are you any different?

[Gwaihir]

[url]
I understand people think that their freedom is at stake, though for instance during the world wars people in England had curfews instated and orders to keep their lights off during bombings. These things werent to strip away freedom, it was to save lives. I've heard so many people say "let it kill who it's going to kill" and the notion, to me, is disgusting. Many cases can be mild and recovered from, but if you're in a high risk group or happen to catch a rapidly evolving form of the virus because it's spreading so quickly, you can easily end up like the man who survived, but ended up with a 1.1 million dollar hospital bill.


Your premise is predicated upon the theory that if people wear a mask, that this virus is eventually going to go away, and that the fatass won't eventually come across the virus transmitted vicariously through people they come into close contact with in the future.

However.....

By what measure do you think this particular strain of the cold, is going to just disappear?

What is your time horizon that the rest of the world needs to wait it out before we subject your "high risk" individual to a world returned to normal?

I mean, think about it.....all things considered the high risk individual is eventually going to come across Corona, and when they do their chance of survival, percentage-wise, will be the same as it was today, last week, last month, last fiscal quarter....you get where I'm going with this?

[Woke Locc]

Y’all really went unhinged the last couple of pages

Probably should get laid every once in a while, angry fucks

McConnell is killing us by not doing UBI and you're concerned about posts? :o

[Patriam1066]

Gotta love this country. One political party held hostage over riots started by the death of a career criminal and drug addict. The other party controlled by a turtle from Kentucky married to an agent of the CCP. God help us

[HalflingSpergand]

I see mask ppl (https://youtu.be/Roweg-c1qmU)

[Lune]

Can you make a post without including an ad hominem on the individual you disagree with?

Dude celebrated the deaths of democrats and minorities to the virus, I called him a sicko. It applied.

For people I respect, though, sure. I didn't add one for Raev.

asswipe

[kjs86z]

Still die laughing at the people wearing masks in their cars...alone...

[Cecily]

I kept my mask on yesterday hoping it would block some sun and I got sunburnt


If light can get through masks, why cant a virus. wake up people

[BlackBellamy]

You're misinterpreting this.

I don't think so. I think you're misinterpreting the point I'm making.

In a normal world, the headlines would read like this:

"The UK has the highest deaths per capita, don't do what they did!"
"Don't emulate Spain!"
"Italy is suffering, don't let it happen here!"
"The Belgian covid disaster, what happened and how we can make sure it doesn't repeat in the US!"

That's in an ideal normal world, where media organizations don't do the bidding of their political masters.

That's because in the normal world, the facts look like this:

https://imgur.com/wyWJtFK.jpg

These facts also exist in our Schrodinger's dimension, but they box they're in has been shot through with agenda, so who can really tell what's inside?

My point, just to be explicit, is that information is being manipulated to serve political ends to such a degree that we're approaching Goebbels, which is the second rung right underneath Stalin.

Please note that New York and New Jersey have over THREE TIMES the per capita rate that Sweden has and all three places took the greatest hit in the same place; the aged in the nursing homes.

https://imgur.com/HnrSxBV.jpg

"New York covid disaster, if we only emulated Sweden!"
"Can New Jersey learn anything from Sweden?"

How about those headlines? I mean beyond helpful and also totally accurate. I need a link though cause these exist only in my head atm.

In the interest of not being misinterpreted further I'm not denying covid is a threat, not suggesting simple quarantine measures are ineffective, not suggesting anything to do with the efficacy of any countermeasures.

My point is that like any crisis, this one has been co-opted by people with an agenda. Unfortunately these people control vast swaths of the media, which is why people are given giant loads of bullshit in order to make them compliant and scared in order to achieve a very visible political end, which is the election of a Democrat regime in November.

[kjs86z]

Never let a good crisis go to waste!

[Woke Locc]

My point is that like any crisis, this one has been co-opted by people with an agenda. Unfortunately these people control vast swaths of the media, which is why people are given giant loads of bullshit in order to make them compliant and scared in order to achieve a very visible political end, which is the election of a Democrat regime in November.

I wish I was strong and brave and handsome enough to vote for the Republican party. :rolleyes:

[Raev]

So let's look at https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/what-coronavirus-does-to-the-lungs

COVID-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus, can cause lung complications such as pneumonia and, in the most severe cases, acute respiratory distress syndrome, or ARDS. Sepsis, another possible complication of COVID-19, can also cause lasting harm to the lungs and other organs.

Again, this is simply statistical malpractice. We are testing sick people. Because of the sample bias, we cannot generalize. If I tested people in a hospital I could easily 'prove' statistically that blonde people have a 35% chance of cancer. Now, if after reading about COVID if you think 'I don't need to see a tiger kill 10 people and develop statistical confidence' that's fine. Just be aware that you cannot rationally claim that the person next to you who is saying 'Sorry, I don't believe your dance caused that thunderstorm' is unscientific or unethical.

Also, these videos by Ryan Long are straight up hilarious: Defined by Trump (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PHQKiNZu_0) and Woke/Racist (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev373c7wSRg) and Selling footage to both CNN and Fox (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiYZ__Ww02c&feature=emb_logo). Sadly I went full black pill after Trump enthusiastically campaigned for a COVID bailout that went almost entirely to the 1% (RIP Trump Keeps Winning), and now I think the most important thing to realize is that the vast majority of people live in an outrage bubble that has been carefully generated to keep us under control. Your neighbor is not the primary source of evil in your life. The system is. And you don't fix it by aggressively tearing it down, you fix it by passively opting out: stop watching the news, grow your own food, homeschool your kids, etc. Satyagraha for the modern world.

[Trexller]

Mask ON -- Tosses tear gas into the barracks

[Blingy]

Question for the "wear a mask" people. Now that this virus has killed 148k people in the country things are looking pretty grim. Why haven't you jumped on the bandwagon yet about what people could do about the biggest killers in our country? Cancer has been killing over half a million a year every year for a really long time. Heart disease beats cancer out. Even for people that go into remission from cancer there are some pretty nasty long term effects.

[HalflingSpergand]

How dare u

[JurisDictum]

Y’all really went unhinged the last couple of pages

Probably should get laid every once in a while, angry fucks

Gotta love this country. One political party held hostage over riots started by the death of a career criminal and drug addict. The other party controlled by a turtle from Kentucky married to an agent of the CCP. God help us

Tex dad is right. I have a really good sex life and I am not a frustrated retard cheering on the death of up to one million Americans just in the next few months. I have other coincidences too, though, like high education level, rare iq and being raised with a strong and righteous father figure.

Mostly old fuckers named shit like Noah Finkelstein. They don't vote repub. They are red diaper, low IQ, vile urban filth; kinda like you pretend to be.

You are mentally ill. Not only is that sickening, but the numbers literally do not support your twisted worldview. -j

[Cecily]

Question for the "wear a mask" people. Now that this virus has killed 148k people in the country things are looking pretty grim. Why haven't you jumped on the bandwagon yet about what people could do about the biggest killers in our country? Cancer has been killing over half a million a year every year for a really long time. Heart disease beats cancer out. Even for people that go into remission from cancer there are some pretty nasty long term effects.

Heart disease and cancer aren't contagious airborne diseases, but if they were and if there was a simple way to reduce transmission of them, like breathing out of a snorkel, I would hope people would willingly face that inconvenience rather than risk killing their fellow citizens.

Making soda, alcohol, and cigarettes illegal would legitimately go a long way to reduce disease prevalence, but fats would march armed and maskless because freedom.

[JurisDictum]

Blingy, the way to defeat this virus is a political and economic revolution. We need to reshape this country to fit the tech age. You are confused and think things should stay the same because the TV really, really wants you to think that. The TV has gotten really smart and computerized and it talks to you through websites now like your "Face book" and even through robotic posts on websites like this. But in the end all it wants is for things to slow down, so more generations of "Finkel steins" can enjoy our little pit-stop in "Gilded Age 2: Automation Soon Boogaloo".

The revolution in telemedicine, telework, automation, UBI etc. is what makes scientific countries like Korea brush this shit off, and China stop it within their borders, whereas we, a country comprised of retards like you, are humiliated. The reality is that 100,000 Americans are dead and the person to blame is YOU, Blingy, for never bothering to even attempt to educate yourself. I hope you're prepared now that I have deigned to explain to start asking questions which do not contain implicitly an admission of treason within them. Time to stop being a civic reprobate. -j

[BlackBellamy]

Question for the "wear a mask" people. Now that this virus has killed 148k people in the country things are looking pretty grim. Why haven't you jumped on the bandwagon yet about what people could do about the biggest killers in our country? Cancer has been killing over half a million a year every year for a really long time. Heart disease beats cancer out. Even for people that go into remission from cancer there are some pretty nasty long term effects.

The causes you list are being fought successfully. Every single cause of death is on a downward trend over time (https://ourworldindata.org/causes-of-death) except for two.

One is Covid-19. The other is suicide. The rise in suicide predates the appearance of Covid-19 so there goes my theory that people are blowing their brains out because now that everyone is working at home they're realizing just how much Bards really suck (I don't mean to play, I mean to be around with).

[Cecily]

But in the end all it wants is for things to slow down, so more generations of "Finkel steins" can enjoy our little pit-stop in "Gilded Age 2: Automation Soon Boogaloo".
. -j
Your please pay attention to me I am very smart bullshit wasn't very good, but I liked this anti-Semitic bit. You still have a problem with Jews, which I think is just great. You're still a Nazi fasc, despite the fashionable liberalisms. Your BF cool with that?

[JurisDictum]

Your please pay attention to me I am very smart bullshit wasn't very good, but I liked this anti-Semitic bit. You still have a problem with Jews, which I think is just great. You're still a Nazi fasc, despite the fashionable liberalisms. Your BF cool with that?

It's a joke and an ingratiator, so the right-wing goober knows I'm not a left-wing drooler. Please don't take it too seriously. fun fact about me I went to an 80% Jewish university and was treated very well. I like Jewish people. I am sorry your inner turmoil has not yet subsided, but I am kindly asking you to stop pursuing me with direct communication. You have become the harassment arm of a sexual abuser to me. I come to this watering hole thinking of other people.

And on what planet is "fashionable liberalism" fashionable right now? Where do you think we are? -j

[kjs86z]

Imagine thinking the case and death numbers are even remotely close to the truth.

Hint: number of cases are way higher and the number of legit covid-19 deaths are much lower.

[DMN]

Imagine thinking the case and death numbers are even remotely close to the truth.

Hint: number of cases are way higher and the number of legit covid-19 deaths are much lower.

Yes, given that a large portion of infected will remain asymptomatic, much of the statistical shit you see will be largely bullshit. The only semi-accurate way is to look at antibody rates, and even that might run into some problems with the sample size/pool the information is drawn from.

[Cecily]

It's a joke and an ingratiator, so the right-wing goober knows I'm not a left-wing drooler. Please don't take it too seriously. fun fact about me I went to an 80% Jewish university and was treated very well. I like Jewish people. I am sorry your inner turmoil has not yet subsided, but I am kindly asking you to stop pursuing me with direct communication. You have become the harassment arm of a sexual abuser to me. I come to this watering hole thinking of other people. -j

No I don't think I will. Your narc ego got hurt one night while you were stoned out of your mind and got rejected by a straight woman, and you still can't handle it.

[JurisDictum]

No I don't think I will. Your narc ego got hurt one night while you were stoned out of your mind and got rejected by a straight woman, and you still can't handle it.

That's not true. I am the one who rejected and fled, after being drugged by two strangers and enticed into bed by them the first time I met your gangly falsetto pal who doesn't take estrogen. You're a sick fuck and your friend who sexually assaulted me not out of perversion but out of malice because she thinks I'm a neo-nazi because she's nuts is a stim-addled nutjob who is passing on delusions to you. You are a really ugly person. -j

[Cecily]

Quit derailing the thread, Nazi.

[JurisDictum]

Quit derailing the thread, Nazi.

Just quoting actual you in case you realize you should be embarrassed and delete.

[Cecily]

That's not true. I am the one who rejected and fled, after being drugged by two strangers and enticed into bed by them the first time I met your gangly falsetto pal who doesn't take estrogen. You're a sick fuck and your friend who sexually assaulted me not out of perversion but out of malice because she thinks I'm a neo-nazi because she's nuts is a stim-addled nutjob who is passing on delusions to you. You are a really ugly person. -j

Same lol

[JurisDictum]

Same lol

Gibberish. You're a monstrosity, Cecily. This isn't fun for me and it's about over. PS: you will never be a real nurse worthy of the emotional trust of an ill person. -j

[Cecily]

Say hi to the elites for me next time you take your clothes off. Thanks for your advocacy.

[JurisDictum]

Yeah but I can fake it

Never fooled me much. My standards changed.

Say hi to the elites for me next time you take your clothes off. Thanks for your advocacy.

Don't you understand that I almost died for want of money? I am a crippled person with no family who was thrown into the street of Seattle. And I never did much more than dates and some undies frolicking with a patron. I did a good fucking job. Why are you piling on like a rednecked boy?

I might go on to med school, if any will take me allowing for my disability. Most won't. But I wouldn't be a fake doctor. Otherwise my ambition is and always was to be a good wife. Juris is really honestly the kindest and most solid man I have met since my father(hehe). -j

[Cecily]

Never fooled me much. My standards changed.



Don't you understand that I almost died for want of money? I am a crippled person with no family who was thrown into the street of Seattle. And I never did much more than dates and some undies frolicking with a patron. I did a good fucking job.

I might go on to med school, if any will take me allowing for my disability. Most won't. But I wouldn't be a fake doctor. -j
Yeah a lot of people do desperate things for money. The difference is you still think you're better than everyone.

[Lune]

I married a part Jewish woman, something about that blood just really intoxicates me on a primordial level, like a pheromone or something, makes me see red and white

I don't think so. I think you're misinterpreting the point I'm making.

In a normal world, the headlines would read like this:

"The UK has the highest deaths per capita, don't do what they did!"
"Don't emulate Spain!"
"Italy is suffering, don't let it happen here!"
"The Belgian covid disaster, what happened and how we can make sure it doesn't repeat in the US!"

That's in an ideal normal world, where media organizations don't do the bidding of their political masters.

That's because in the normal world, the facts look like this:

These facts also exist in our Schrodinger's dimension, but they box they're in has been shot through with agenda, so who can really tell what's inside?

My point, just to be explicit, is that information is being manipulated to serve political ends to such a degree that we're approaching Goebbels, which is the second rung right underneath Stalin.

Please note that New York and New Jersey have over THREE TIMES the per capita rate that Sweden has and all three places took the greatest hit in the same place; the aged in the nursing homes.

"New York covid disaster, if we only emulated Sweden!"
"Can New Jersey learn anything from Sweden?"

How about those headlines? I mean beyond helpful and also totally accurate. I need a link though cause these exist only in my head atm.

In the interest of not being misinterpreted further I'm not denying covid is a threat, not suggesting simple quarantine measures are ineffective, not suggesting anything to do with the efficacy of any countermeasures.

My point is that like any crisis, this one has been co-opted by people with an agenda. Unfortunately these people control vast swaths of the media, which is why people are given giant loads of bullshit in order to make them compliant and scared in order to achieve a very visible political end, which is the election of a Democrat regime in November.

I think this is just a case of the world expecting better from Sweden, a popular example among the blue-pilled college campus left of a well run country that does everything right. In reality they do most things right but have diminished their country by letting in a generation of low-skill economic migrants and allowing them to form parallel societies. I have a clinical doctorate and I couldn't emigrate to Sweden if I wanted to without learning the language.

Italy and Spain, and even Sweden, would actually be passable countries to emulate, that's how bad things have become in the US. Their infections/deaths are pretty much under control and things are returning to normal.

[JurisDictum]

Yeah a lot of people do desperate things for money. The difference is you still think you're better than everyone.

I don't sit around declaring resoundingly that I am okay with being a scumlord. We *agree* about what kind of person you are.

Listen, it feels honestly like you are out of your depth and we are pumelling each other. I'm not sure if you think that is okay. I think you do. To me it's not okay. I gotta block you. -j

[JurisDictum]

I married a part Jewish woman, something about that blood just really intoxicates me on a primordial level, like a pheromone or something, makes me see red and white

i shouldnt admit as a married woman, but i liek it. -j

[JurisDictum]

What type of person am I? I'm actually in school and I didn't have to take any meth in some strange guy's house to fund it. I'm better than you.

Yes honey, you are in school and able-bodied. I had to quit running a tech company. I definitely have broken wings. Aspire to catch up. -j

[HalflingSpergand]

Commence butt banger bickering

[Blingy]

I was a journalism major for just long enough to know the entire industry is crooked as hell. If the journalism industry wasn't making a profit on BLM/Covid-19/protests they wouldn't cover it. The old addage of "follow the money" is why this shit is being peddled. High IQ, educated holier than thou ivory tower asshats that tout White Goodman's "we're better than you" mantra need to learn the difference between being a parrot and knowing enough to know that you really don't know enough. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glnqzfPNEzM

Heart disease and cancer aren't contagious airborne diseases, but if they were and if there was a simple way to reduce transmission of them, like breathing out of a snorkel, I would hope people would willingly face that inconvenience rather than risk killing their fellow citizens.
So because they're not contagious we shouldn't focus on them as much? I disagree as IMO the societal damage these things do to not only family members but the community at large. The media isn't clamoring all over these things because they haven't yet figured out how to monetize them.

Making soda, alcohol, and cigarettes illegal would legitimately go a long way to reduce disease prevalence, but fats would march armed and maskless because freedom.This we 100% agree on.

JD, I haven't been exposed to a more vile pile of nasty spew since wandering around Berkeley University on a Saturday night in the early 1990's. I really can't tell if you're honestly trying to make a joke or believe what you posted. Oh, and thanks for calling me a right-wing goober; it warms my heart. Yes, some of my views are right-wing while some are left wing.

BB, I agree that the numbers are looking better but that doesn't answer my question. Why haven't you jumped on the "we need to rage against the cancer or heart disease machine" bandwagon? One family member and four friends have dealt with covid-19. I know many more that have dealt with cancer and even a handful that have had heart attacks. IMO heart attacks and cancer have fucked up more people than covid-19 but because the media hasn't focused on it society as a whole hasn't jumped on the bandwagon. My best man at our wedding had a heart attack about 5 years ago. He took a couple months off work at a time when he was critically needed. He is restricted for the rest of his life from doing anything physically significant such as wrestle with his dog or go salmon fishing.

[DMN]

Commence butt banger bickering

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XpImo80neo

[Asteria]

That's not true. I am the one who rejected and fled, after being drugged by two strangers and enticed into bed by them the first time I met your gangly falsetto pal who doesn't take estrogen. You're a sick fuck and your friend who sexually assaulted me not out of perversion but out of malice because she thinks I'm a neo-nazi because she's nuts is a stim-addled nutjob who is passing on delusions to you. You are a really ugly person. -j

hahahahha :p

[Lune]

I was a journalism major for just long enough to know the entire industry is crooked as hell. If the journalism industry wasn't making a profit on BLM/Covid-19/protests they wouldn't cover it. The old addage of "follow the money" is why this shit is being peddled. High IQ, educated holier than thou ivory tower asshats that tout White Goodman's "we're better than you" mantra need to learn the difference between being a parrot and knowing enough to know that you really don't know enough. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glnqzfPNEzM


So because they're not contagious we shouldn't focus on them as much? I disagree as IMO the societal damage these things do to not only family members but the community at large. The media isn't clamoring all over these things because they haven't yet figured out how to monetize them.

This we 100% agree on.

JD, I haven't been exposed to a more vile pile of nasty spew since wandering around Berkeley University on a Saturday night in the early 1990's. I really can't tell if you're honestly trying to make a joke or believe what you posted. Oh, and thanks for calling me a right-wing goober; it warms my heart. Yes, some of my views are right-wing while some are left wing.

BB, I agree that the numbers are looking better but that doesn't answer my question. Why haven't you jumped on the "we need to rage against the cancer or heart disease machine" bandwagon? One family member and four friends have dealt with covid-19. I know many more that have dealt with cancer and even a handful that have had heart attacks. IMO heart attacks and cancer have fucked up more people than covid-19 but because the media hasn't focused on it society as a whole hasn't jumped on the bandwagon. My best man at our wedding had a heart attack about 5 years ago. He took a couple months off work at a time when he was critically needed. He is restricted for the rest of his life from doing anything physically significant such as wrestle with his dog or go salmon fishing.

Fallacy of relative privation. (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Not_as_bad_as)

Do you really need it explained to you that it's okay to focus on more than one thing? Do you really think that, for example, we should focus 100% or even 50% of our resources on breast cancer over other cancers because it is the most common type of cancer?

There are enormous resources dedicated to heart disease and cancer but these are extremely difficult problems to solve, their solution essentially requiring mastery over mortality.

Stopping covid only means being as competent as a society like Korea or any other country that is managing this. Put on a fucking mask Karen.

[Asteria]

Never fooled me much. My standards changed.



Don't you understand that I almost died for want of money? I am a crippled person with no family who was thrown into the street of Seattle. And I never did much more than dates and some undies frolicking with a patron. I did a good fucking job. Why are you piling on like a rednecked boy?

I might go on to med school, if any will take me allowing for my disability. Most won't. But I wouldn't be a fake doctor. Otherwise my ambition is and always was to be a good wife. Juris is really honestly the kindest and most solid man I have met since my father(hehe). -j

Lol, you aren't married dude :p

[Cecily]

I might go on to med school, if any will take me allowing for my disability. Most won't. But I wouldn't be a fake doctor. Otherwise my ambition is and always was to be a good wife. Juris is really honestly the kindest and most solid man I have met since my father(hehe). -j
Omg you're adorable lol. Your cute and innocent act is very convincing and you should totally keep doing it, ahaha.

[Cecily]

Fallacy of relative privation. (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Not_as_bad_as)

Do you really need it explained to you that it's okay to focus on more than one thing? Do you really think that, for example, we should focus 100% or even 50% of our resources on breast cancer over other cancers because it is the most common type of cancer?

There are enormous resources dedicated to heart disease and cancer but these are extremely difficult problems to solve, their solution essentially requiring mastery over mortality.

Stopping covid only means being as competent as a society like Korea or any other country that is managing this. Put on a fucking mask Karen.

There's also covid being new. It gets more attention because we haven't accepted it as our normal reality, in comparison to obesity, diabetes, cancer, and heart disease. Also masks help reduce disease transmission. The issue is still whether or not to wear them. You should. Saying that these diseases also exist just diverts attention from the fact that you should wear a mask.

[kjs86z]

can we just give these weirdos a sub forum they can circle jerk in?

[Cecily]

can we just give these weirdos a sub forum they can circle jerk in?

I don't agree with the anti-mask perspective, but I don't think that's a reason to exclude them from the discussion.

[HalflingSpergand]

Name one single gay dude that doesn't love masking

[Nirgon]

can we just give these weirdos a sub forum they can circle jerk in?

Their attempt at fear mongering is backfiring on them in their own thread. I like it this way.

[Snortles Chortles]

https://i.imgur.com/6pB0C4H.gif

[Nirgon]

No I don't think I will. Your narc ego got hurt one night while you were stoned out of your mind and got rejected by a straight woman, and you still can't handle it.

This explains a lot of the social problems out there. Now try to decide if people try to exploit these types for political power.

[JurisDictum]

Name one single gay dude that doesn't love masking

i still cringe for u now and then

[Snortles Chortles]

https://i.imgur.com/rqxDGDU.gif

[HalflingSpergand]

Never cringed ever not once. No man shall infringe upon my cringe

[BlackBellamy]

Never cringed ever not once. No man shall infringe upon my cringe

hang on

I married a part Jewish woman, something about that blood just really intoxicates me on a primordial level
.

I'm 2% Jewish. That's probably the ideal amount, and I've thought about it a lot. Like if the Nazis or the Post-Titus Romans take over, I'm probably safe. I might be restricted who I can date, but I don't care, I'll use the shatnez NSDAP sock instead of the kadash one I'm currently using.

On the positive side, I can claim a slight positive INT bonus, I mean it's already over 200 so diminishing returns but now I can raise my resistance gear a bit. I'm not as pure blooded as I thought I was, which is awesome for disease resistance.

All my life women tell me I smell good. And I don't use stuff like water and soap too often, cause that destroys the skin. I was willing to take the social hit for it but it never happened. I mean I never asked a dude to smell me but women are always talking about their senses and the opinion was uniformly positive. I was like whatever and continued to be a stud. But now I see it. It's my Jewish blood. I have proof right there, finally a third-party willing to verify that there is something special about my people.

I feel like I'm better positioned to fight covid too, not vis a vis the increased disease resistance but vis a visa to Isreal for the new vaccine they're making. I'm sure I can turn that 2% into easy entry there, I mean look at Goldman Sachs they turned a zero into six million.

I'm off to brush my teeth, because I was told about my breath. It's not Sexy like a Semite.

[HalflingSpergand]

I don't think Jewish heritage gives u int
Myth, remember these are the liars. So anyways how do u quantify Jewishness as a race isn't it a religion? Like people are from geographic locations right?

[Patriam1066]

Persians are God’s chosen, the Magi and all welcoming Jesus

The Jews plagiarized Zoroastrianism and pretended monotheism was their concept. I don’t hate jews, but credit where credit is due and all. Persians are responsible for all Islamic accomplishments as well. All in all, given our poetic language, desert rage, and extreme financial success, I’m really not sure why the rest of you don’t bend the knee

[Cecily]

Persian women are stupidly pretty, which Is probably because they all had nose jobs, but still.

[Patriam1066]

My wife didn’t but her 23 and me says she’s 60% Armenian and Georgian

I look like Mario but hairier

[BlackBellamy]

I don't think Jewish heritage gives u int
Myth, remember these are the liars. So anyways how do u quantify Jewishness as a race isn't it a religion? Like people are from geographic locations right?

The Jewish population in Europe was so segregated for so long that specific mutations occurred within their populations and nowhere else. The DNA test looks for a specific variant on the mitochondrial DNA – DNA that is passed down through the mother – that can be found almost exclusively in Ashkenazi Jews.

I'm not 100% sure that Ashkenazi Jews are smarter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence), but they seem to do better on the kinds of test that measure this stuff than other groups. Of course it's possible my people designed the test because we're also wily like that.

Still, I like to settle debates by looking at the functional output regardless of theory, so if you can find an ethnic group that is more over-represented in occupations that require intelligence you let me know:

https://imgur.com/oM4Ow8s.jpg

[BlackBellamy]

My wife didn’t but her 23 and me says she’s 60% Armenian and Georgian

I look like Mario but hairier

https://imgur.com/4ck3sLA.jpg

[BlackBellamy]

You know, that mustache is no good. I made you look like a Japanese War Criminal and now the Koreans are going to get all upset. (https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/27/asia/harry-harris-mustache-south-korea-scli-intl/index.html)

https://imgur.com/rAttRHa.jpg

[HalflingSpergand]

https://imgur.com/oM4Ow8s.jpg

May as well be top American scam artists

[BlackBellamy]

Here we go. I hope I have paid respect to your proud people and their traditions.

https://imgur.com/M8z7rLz.jpg

[BlackBellamy]

May as well be top American scam artists

That requires more brains than anything. Thanks for proving my point. Shalom.

[HalflingSpergand]

Moral objectivity is what were after for a healthy society. Not praising a hndful of "smart" relativist scam artists

[HalflingSpergand]

The Jewish population in Europe was so segregated for so long that specific mutations occurred within their populations and nowhere else. (His story) the DNA test looks for a specific variant on the mitochondrial DNA – DNA that is passed down through the mother (got proof?)– that can be found almost exclusively in Ashkenazi Jews.

I'm not 100% sure that Ashkenazi Jews are smarter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence), but they seem to do better on the kinds of test that measure this stuff than other groups. Of course it's possible my people designed the test because we're also wily like that.
(They're not)
Still, I like to settle debates by looking at the functional output regardless of theory, so if you can find an ethnic group that is more over-represented in occupations that require intelligence you let me know:

https://imgur.com/oM4Ow8s.jpg

[BlackBellamy]

https://imgur.com/eC3s93y.jpg

Edit history:


Covered exposed right testicle with delicious kebab.
Added Darius for more respect.

[BlackBellamy]

Moral objectivity is what were after for a healthy society. Not praising a hndful of "smart" relativist scam artists

Yes but there's no such thing as moral objectivity because morals are merely an enforcement mechanism against harmful group deviance and that changes over time. Incest was practiced widely because the number of offspring was more important than their long term health because no one lived long enough to matter and since people were less specialized they were more fungible. You can't be objective when you have a moving target like that especially since you have various groups still that exist on different points of the moral development timeline and their needs don't align with others for functional reasons.

You can say murder is objectively immoral but it's not under every condition so then what do you have, and that would be the strongest example I think.

[HalflingSpergand]

Ya you sound like your ancestors

[BlackBellamy]

Ya you sound like your ancestors

If I sounded like my ancestors I would be telling you about ancient tales of glory and mighty warriors and I would be slurring all my words and making everything up and then we would be fighting on the floor.

https://imgur.com/cev4e7z.jpg

Nothing can stop that 98%.

[maskedmelon]

Yes but there's no such thing as moral objectivity because morals are merely an enforcement mechanism against harmful group deviance and that changes over time. Incest was practiced widely because the number of offspring was more important than their long term health because no one lived long enough to matter and since people were less specialized they were more fungible. You can't be objective when you have a moving target like that especially since you have various groups still that exist on different points of the moral development timeline and their needs don't align with others for functional reasons.

You can say murder is objectively immoral but it's not under every condition so then what do you have, and that would be the strongest example I think.

This is true. Reasoned “morality” delivers wildly different conclusions depending on one’s presuppositions. There is no objective morality because first principles can vary so broadly. We can very easily reason our way to right and wrong given a particular context, but if people cannot agree on fundamental truths, we cannot agree on the context or the conclusions by extension.

[kjs86z]

ahem:

https://i.imgur.com/obIq5TS.jpg

[GinnasP99]

Petition to call mask ppl "the faceless"

Praise Cazic

[BlackBellamy]

Petition to call mask ppl "the faceless"

Praise Cazic

Imagine the millions of dollars the inventor of p95 compliant transparent mask will reap. I had this conversation with my friends and we agreed we're too late because we don't know anyone in the businesses and there's definitely someone ahead of us. I called them timid fucks but that didn't help. I said we don't need to invent it just find who is and back them but well...the shouting should have happened after that.

The desire to see a human face is innate bred behavior. Dogs base their entire lives on the subtle variations of their owners expressions because we talk with our faces. You can have a 30 minute conversation with me and I won't say a thing but you'll exactly how you're doing based on what you see because my face will be giving you feedback every second. Some people react so badly to the masks; even on an unconscious level they are filled with anxiety and fear they can't explain, they just associate the mask with it.

You can't really be down on many of the mask refuseniks; they're just not strong enough to beat back human nature. They articulate various reasons for not wearing the mask, but I could boil it down to fear. Fear of 'the stranger' is greater than the fear of this disease.

[BlackBellamy]

ahem:

that's awesome isn't it?

hmmm...so the cure is worse than the disease after all

we intentionally introduced covid-19 as a preventative prophylactic and it worked! all causes of death are down; we cured cancer and heart shit and even accidents!

unfortunately we now have tons of people dying of the covidcure

ugh

i guess it's time to release the dogs with bees in their mouth when they bark the bees fly out

[Lune]

Imagine letting a disease ravage your country's sick and elderly because your political team told you not to wear a mask. And then that team did an about-face and told you to wear a mask, but your frontal lobe is still too weak and toddlerish to get with the picture.

Chances are you'll be safe if you get this but only a fool would willingly expose themselves to something that has a non-negligible chance to stroke you out, damage your organs, or kill you. In fact we have no fucking idea what it does to you long term: see encephalitis lethargica pandemic which conincided with Spanish Flu pandemic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encephalitis_lethargica#The_encephalitis_lethargic a_pandemic_of_1915%E2%80%931926)

You are history's new ghost dance.

[HalflingSpergand]

Never known anyone sick don't wear a mask, if u wear a mask it's like getting plowed in the ass some ppl like it so whatever

[Cecily]

Petition to call mask ppl "the faceless"

Praise Cazic
Mask was the only deity that really resonated with me in Forgotten Realms, besides Sune and Talona.

[maskedmelon]

How very poetic. I don’t know that I have ever felt that excited about wearing a mask. Can you share which masks do this for you, Halflingpal?

[maskedmelon]

Is Talona the spider lady?

[JurisDictum]

How very poetic. I don’t know that I have ever felt that excited about wearing a mask. Can you share which masks do this for you, Halflingpal?

not OP but i have this hospital oxygen mask that has these tiny airholes very easy to cover with a finger works great -j

[maskedmelon]

not OP but i have this hospital oxygen mask that has these tiny airholes very easy to cover with a finger works great -j

We don’t have a system to rep posts so I am quoting with a thumbs up.



Also, I think this satisfies BBs desire for a transparent mask. Just have to cover the holes when you sneeze or cough.

[DMN]

You are mentally ill. Not only is that sickening, but the numbers literally do not support your twisted worldview. -j


You might want to look in the mirror before you call people mentally ill, you drug-addled, debauched dbag. And you certainly want to check the numbers again( more likely the first time) to find out how fantastically wrong you are. The vast majority of deaths are in urban/major metro areas. I guess masks are too complicated for low IQ city fucks to figure out.

[Lune]

You might want to look in the mirror before you call people mentally ill, you drug-addled, debauched dbag. And you certainly want to check the numbers again( more likely the first time) to find out how fantastically wrong you are. The vast majority of deaths are in urban/major metro areas. I guess masks are too complicated for low IQ city fucks to figure out.

The vast majority of people live in urban/major metro areas.

The disease hit hardest first in economic centers with higher degrees of global interconnectedness, the world's economic engines... this is why it took so long to get to Africa, India, and America's boonies.

It also shouldn't be surprising that by the time the disease made it to the boonies in large numbers we learned a few things about how to handle it. For example not sending entire nursing homes full of old people to the hospital and then back to many different nursing homes (https://www.businessinsider.com/cuomo-executive-order-4300-recovering-coronavirus-patients-ny-nursing-homes-2020-5), resulting in 10's of thousands dead. Cuomo doesn't catch enough flak for this.

[DMN]

The vast majority of people live in urban/major metro areas.


No they don't. They live in the suburbs. There are at least twice as many people living in the burbs+rural areas than urban centers. Once again, you speak with faux authority on shit you know nothing about. Not a good look, Lame. The only thing vast is the chasm between the shit you say and reality.

[Lune]

No they don't. They live in the suburbs. There are at least twice as many people living in the burbs+rural areas than urban centers. Once again, you speak with faux authority on shit you know nothing about. Not a good look, Lame. The only thing vast is the chasm between the shit you say and reality.

You clearly don't know what metro area means.

[DMN]

You clearly don't know what metro area means.

Good thing I didn't say metro. I said major metro. Bold and underlined for the thinking impaired. They are entire categories for metro counties and the majority of the categories are actually suburban, not urban areas.

[Bigsham]

Persians are God’s chosen, the Magi and all welcoming Jesus

The Jews plagiarized Zoroastrianism and pretended monotheism was their concept. I don’t hate jews, but credit where credit is due and all. Persians are responsible for all Islamic accomplishments as well. All in all, given our poetic language, desert rage, and extreme financial success, I’m really not sure why the rest of you don’t bend the knee

What financial success? all you trash ever had was oil and as we transition to electric you will see saudi arabia , iran , iraq and other oil countries turn into slums like dehli

i cant wait to see your princes get removed from their own palaces by enraged citizens living in poverty when no one is buying oil

[Bigsham]

Imagine the millions of dollars the inventor of p95 compliant transparent mask will reap. I had this conversation with my friends and we agreed we're too late because we don't Have any money and there's definitely someone ahead of us. I called them timid fucks but that didn't help. I said we don't need to invent it just find who is and back them but well...the shouting should have happened after that.

HURDUR ALIBABA FIND CHINA MASK COMPANY LOL NO MONEY ANYWAY MOQ

The desire to see a human face is innate bred behavior. Dogs base their entire lives on the subtle variations of their owners expressions because we talk with our faces. You can have a 30 minute conversation with me and I won't say a thing but you'll exactly how you're doing based on what you see because my face will be giving you feedback every second. Some people react so badly to the masks; even on an unconscious level they are filled with anxiety and fear they can't explain, they just associate the mask with it.

You can't really be down on many of the mask refuseniks; they're just not strong enough to beat back human nature. They articulate various reasons for not wearing the mask, but I could boil it down to fear. Fear of 'the stranger' is greater than the fear of this disease.

I dont like not being able to see people smile when we talk its silly, also the muffled sound sucks

[gherron]

What financial success? all you trash ever had was oil and as we transition to electric you will see saudi arabia , iran , iraq and other oil countries turn into slums like dehli

i cant wait to see your princes get removed from their own palaces by enraged citizens living in poverty when no one is buying oil

trump is trying to prevent clean/green energy from taking over in the US. the arab countries are gonna be fine. china is also working out some deal with iran so we know iran will definitely be surviving longer. GJ trump for keeping these countries thriving!

[BlackBellamy]

I dont like not being able to see people smile when we talk its silly, also the muffled sound sucks

Conversely, people must be pretty relived they don't have to give you that fake smile to get you off their back, amirite?

[Domo]

https://i.imgur.com/JQIpPfC.jpg

edit:

my favorit one this week:

https://i.imgur.com/7YrFFwk.jpg

Darwin would be proud

[HalflingSpergand]

Don't let lies run your life

[Patriam1066]

What financial success? all you trash ever had was oil and as we transition to electric you will see saudi arabia , iran , iraq and other oil countries turn into slums like dehli

i cant wait to see your princes get removed from their own palaces by enraged citizens living in poverty when no one is buying oil

Nah we’re dope. Classy, violent, hot women who cook and clean

You’re just jealous because you killed god and are trying to replace him with opioid induced stupor. It’s ok, the Persians and Armenians will save the aryan race. Bend the knee

[Patriam1066]

Don't let lies run your life

He’s German. They haven’t been allowed to have original thoughts since Dresden

[Bigsham]

Nah we’re dope. Classy, violent, hot women who cook and clean

You’re just jealous because you killed god and are trying to replace him with opioid induced stupor. It’s ok, the Persians and Armenians will save the aryan race. Bend the knee

Your women are not hot at all

they only cook and clean because your men dont allow them to go get careers, vote, drive or do other normal things.

There is no god also.

[Snortles Chortles]

https://i.imgur.com/Mv7MlWR.gif

[nostalgiaquest]

https://apnews.com/8173fe14f7cf7095ced3b55fdc65581e?fbclid=IwAR1b-_mN9A-OOLbc1z6ImcbOFik6N-rygfd56Se1m04IiljVAeJ8_Usd2HQ

Yeesh. It would be funny if it wasn't so god damn stupid.

Rest in Pizza

[Jimjam]

Mediterranean women are hot.

[Domo]

You’re just jealous because you killed god and are trying to replace him with opioid induced stupor. It’s ok, the Persians and Armenians will save the aryan race. Bend the knee

Yikes, you are talking shite 24/7 , no wonder your husband left you

[Woke Locc]

Mediterranean women are hot.

All women are hot.

[Trexller]

All women are hot.

not the fatties

[Woke Locc]

not the fatties

Try slamming some pawgs, you might like it. Lots do.

It's a free country o7

[Trexller]

Try slamming some pawgs, you might like it. Lots do.

It's a free country o7

Nah bruh, Being my personal preference of course, the skinnier the better

https://i.imgur.com/aPZ6qmN.jpg

[kjs86z]

the skinnier the better



this simply isnt true

aint nobody tryna see a chicks ribs unless you're into eating disorders or roleplaying labor camp officer - prisoner

fit / toned in yoga pants = god tier

[Lune]

https://apnews.com/8173fe14f7cf7095ced3b55fdc65581e?fbclid=IwAR1b-_mN9A-OOLbc1z6ImcbOFik6N-rygfd56Se1m04IiljVAeJ8_Usd2HQ

Yeesh. It would be funny if it wasn't so god damn stupid.

Rest in Pizza

https://i.imgur.com/lYpQRO8.jpg

Herman Cain was hospitalized about 2 weeks later on July 1st . Good call on the masks bud.

[JurisDictum]

taller and slenderer ist rarer and spendier.

thank God juris is a 6'4" superbull, i was always the shorter lover before :o

[Nirgon]

This stupid shutdown stuff has gone on 100+ days too long now.


Maybe he was old, in terrible health and allowed to exercise his freedom. Crazy huh.

Everyone from the rally died, ok moving on.

[Lune]

Maybe he was old, in terrible health and allowed to exercise his freedom. Crazy huh.

If he had been more cautious about his exposure, considering his age and poor health, such as not wading maskless into large, equally maskless crowds, there is a very good chance he might still be alive.

I highly doubt as he sat in the hospital gasping for air that he thought going to a nearly empty Trump event was totally worth it.

[Ennewi]

https://www.ksn.com/news/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-in-kansas/im-paying-the-price-for-it-kansas-20-year-old-warns-others-about-coronavirus/

[Jibartik]

Maybe

Oh so now its a maybe... wont be long now till the right declares war on covid and we really lose all our freedoms.

:o

[douglas1999]

If he had been more cautious about his exposure, considering his age and poor health, such as not wading maskless into large, equally maskless crowds, there is a very good chance he might still be alive.

I highly doubt as he sat in the hospital gasping for air that he thought going to a nearly empty Trump event was totally worth it.

Do you actually know anything about the specific details of his hospitalization? Or are you just ghoulishly relishing the death of a human being because it satisfies some creepy political hate fetish of yours?

Like, you could have just posted "Shoulda wore a mask, maybe, sucks he died."

[Woke Locc]

Do you actually know anything about the specific details of his hospitalization? Or are you just ghoulishly relishing the death of a human being because it satisfies some creepy political hate fetish of yours?

Like, you could have just posted "Shoulda wore a mask, maybe, sucks he died."

Are you an actual fan of his or just as ghoulishly using his death as an excuse to own the Lune?

I think he meant well and did some good in his life.

[Nirgon]

Herman's last words weren't "shut down the country" lol

Still poses 0 threat to me / most people

Stay home as long as you want to, but the rest of us shouldn't be required

I was being sarcastic with the "maybe", glad you picked up on that as obvious as it was

[PieOats]

Oh so now its a maybe... wont be long now till the right declares war on covid and we really lose all our freedoms.

:o

Nice try, home breh. The right has its *own* retardations. That ain’t one of them, pal.


*grins ghoulishly*

[Domo]

the virus will keep doing fine in the USA and Brasil as long the people in these country are divided by their opinions.

You cant safe a house from fire if you put water only on half of it and say the fire on the other half will just go away like a miracle

[douglas1999]

Are you an actual fan of his or just as ghoulishly using his death as an excuse to own the Lune?

I think he meant well and did some good in his life.

No I'm not, but I'm quite averse to words like "gasping for air" spoken by somebody who clearly has no political or personal animus toward a human who just died.

You don't have to always just go "well, you're doing the same thing aint ya???", you can actually think of something new sometimes.

[Lune]

Do you actually know anything about the specific details of his hospitalization? Or are you just ghoulishly relishing the death of a human being because it satisfies some creepy political hate fetish of yours?

Like, you could have just posted "Shoulda wore a mask, maybe, sucks he died."

Dude was a ghoul who tried to plunder the United States and actively campaigned against mask-wearing in a country where tends of thousands are dying of a pandemic that can mostly be counteracted by mask-wearing. As far as I'm concerned he deserved the guillotine, but the disease he and his cronies repeatedly tried to minimize for financial gain works just fine.

[JurisDictum]

Dude was a ghoul who tried to plunder the United States and actively campaigned against mask-wearing in a country where tends of thousands are dying of a pandemic that can mostly be counteracted by mask-wearing. As far as I'm concerned he deserved the guillotine, but the disease he and his cronies repeatedly tried to minimize for financial gain works just fine.

thanks for coming by Lune. I am finding you very reassuring -j

[Patriam1066]

the virus will keep doing fine in the USA and Brasil as long the people in these country are divided by their opinions.

You cant safe a house from fire if you put water only on half of it and say the fire on the other half will just go away like a miracle

Build a military freeloader

[Patriam1066]

Herman's last words weren't "shut down the country" lol

Still poses 0 threat to me / most people

Stay home as long as you want to, but the rest of us shouldn't be required

I was being sarcastic with the "maybe", glad you picked up on that as obvious as it was

That strategy just tanks the economy worse than a shutdown does. People will stay home because they’re afraid. Whether you like it or not, a brief but total shutdown made more sense. Now that it’s ubiquitous, who knows. But the minimum people can do is wear a mask.

[Jimjam]

the virus will keep doing fine in the USA and Brasil as long the people in these country are divided by their opinions.

You cant safe a house from fire if you put water only on half of it and say the fire on the other half will just go away like a miracle

Both sides are correct here, fire fighting can reduce damage (but comes with its own risks) but a fire will burn itself out eventually.

If one half is dousing while the other side lets burn both tactics will be negatively impacted (the fire in the doused area will keep reigniting and the burn out will take longer). If both tactics are used there are strategic decisions on where to douse (which parts we can not allow to be damaged).

[HalflingSpergand]

The "pandemic" doesn't exist. Only in your mind if u want it to.

[BlackBellamy]

Dude was a ghoul who tried to plunder the United States and actively campaigned against mask-wearing in a country where tends of thousands are dying of a pandemic that can mostly be counteracted by mask-wearing. As far as I'm concerned he deserved the guillotine, but the disease he and his cronies repeatedly tried to minimize for financial gain works just fine.

Should I listen to you or should I listen to the Dutch government?

https://imgur.com/hJ6r0kv.jpg

Do you think you're smarter than the Dutch government? Have you considered you're wrong?

[Ennewi]

It's being described by epidemiologists/immunologist as more of a forest fire than a house fire. A small, but important distinction. The biggest takeaway is that it's likely here for at least one generation, if not much longer.

"I'm actually of the mind right now, I think this [COVID-19] is more like a forest fire. I don't think that this is going to slow down. I'm not sure that the influenza analogy applies anymore. I think that wherever there is wood to burn, this fire is going to burn. And right now we have a lot of susceptible people." Osterholm - Meet the Press, Jun 21, 2020

"Right now we are experiencing a national forest fire of COVID that is readily consuming any human wood that's available to burn. When you have something like this happening, there's no way that traditional testing and tracing is going to have any meaningful impact....I liken it to trying to plant your petunias in the middle of a Category 5 hurricane." Osterholm - NPR, Jul 28, 2020

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/osterholm-americans-will-be-living-with-the-coronavirus-for-decades-2020-07-30

On Jan. 20, just nine days after Chinese health authorities published the DNA sequence for a new coronavirus that had sickened dozens of people in China, Dr. Michael Osterholm, an epidemiologist at the University of Minnesota, wrote in an email: “I’m certain this will cause our next pandemic.”

"Effective and safe vaccines and hopefully ones with some durability will be very important, even critical tools, in fighting it. But the whole world is going to be experiencing COVID-19 ‘til the end of time. We’re not going to be vaccinating our way out of this to eight-plus billion people in the world right now."

...

Osterholm: Right. And everyone’s expecting it. Look at Hong Kong, which is doing an outstanding public health follow up, and yet they are still having a problem. Think of this like a big forest fire. If you’re in the way of it, you’re going to get burned. The best we can do is try to put out as much as we can. But even knowing that, if you just suppress it, it’s going to come back. The embers are still there because we never really put it out.