BDA to Phinigel

[AzzarTheGod]

sure y not... dont really agree tho

changed my mind.

listen to the question I asked you its in the lyrics of this song.

let me know if you understand it and agree or disagree.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HwY6z82XlY

[Parz77]

None of the heroic char shit is active on TLP's obviously so not really relevant to what BDA is doing. Modern EQ is pretty shitty I'm with you on that. TLP's are the only EQ servers worth playing on at this point unless u don't want to raid then P99 is okay.

Can players create a Heroic Character on Progression Servers?

Fippy Darkpaw and Vulak’Aerr will not have Heroic Characters until the Call of the Forsaken expansion is unlocked. These servers will not be eligible for a free Heroic Character since Call of the Forsaken will not be unlocked during the two-week trial period.

[Parz77]

None of the heroic char shit is active on TLP's obviously so not really relevant to what BDA is doing. Modern EQ is pretty shitty I'm with you on that. TLP's are the only EQ servers worth playing on at this point unless u don't want to raid then P99 is okay.

if only there was a BUY NOW button for you dignity

[bdastomper58]

if only there was a BUY NOW button for you dignity

he traded it for krono. you don't have to pay a subscription to play on phinny!

[LostCause]

the plat price per krono just slowly goes up till its about same price as live which is usually 800k to over 1 mill plat.

[arsenalpow]

Vyemm beat us up, we need to figure out how mitigate his AE and keep the tanks up. Next half of ToV will be Vyemm, triplets, and doubles. Nev will be rough.

[Sodors Finest Poster]

Mushroom Cup 100cc not so easy then

Wait till that rainbow track, damn.

[Ravager]

if only there was a BUY NOW button for you dignity

Pretty sure by not sitting around for 16 hour windows with a bunch of no-lifers he's no longer in the market for dignity as he's all stocked up.

[jcr4990]

It's an embarrassment and a slap in the face to what EQ was designed to be when it was made.

"EQLite - You're in your own little world now... and make sure to buy things"

This just in: Brad McQuaid confirms EQ was designed to have 16 hr variance with multiple 100+ person raid forces poopsocking the entire window so they can race to secure FTE and pull every raid mob to the zonein bypassing all trash. He also said 5 years of Kunark and permanent Velious was "what EQ was designed to be when it was made"

Oh wait....

You know its funny cause EQ implemented instances pretty early in its life but it NEVER had variance and FTE and all the bullshit that goes into P99 raiding. It also wasn't stuck on a single expansion for 5 yrs. It's almost like Phinigel is closer to Classic than P99 is ;)

P.S. Your stupidity never ceases to astound me Swish

[khysanth]

http://i.imgur.com/DKXtoam.png

[Sodors Finest Poster]

It's an embarrassment and a slap in the face to what EQ was designed to be when it was made.

"EQLite - You're in your own little world now... and make sure to buy things"

http://i.imgur.com/dWAPJjJ.jpg

[sirelothar]

We're going to be clearning all of Kael again tonight and then do a Dain. All with no poop socking involved and all around a blasting good time :) Wish some of you would join us <3 we need more clerics and dps! Picture of me and my second avatar weapon here. Looted a Claw of Lightning earlier in the week and it's just amazing!

http://i.imgur.com/MnzFmzm.jpg

[Danth]

..and permanent Velious was "what EQ was designed to be when it was made"

This one, at least, may actually hold some truth: Kunark and Velious were part of the original plans but excluded from launch due to time/budget reasons. They were of course added as expansions. Beyond that there was nothing envisioned, at least not in the early days. EQ was not expected to be as large a success as it was, nor was it expected to have continued content addition many years later.

Danth

[Kushie]

Welcome to page 220

[Nirgon]

This one, at least, may actually hold some truth: Kunark and Velious were part of the original plans but excluded from launch due to time/budget reasons. They were of course added as expansions. Beyond that there was nothing envisioned, at least not in the early days. EQ was not expected to be as large a success as it was, nor was it expected to have continued content addition many years later.

Danth

or get turned into a scum lord emulator

but here we are

[Phenyo]

We're going to be clearning all of Kael again tonight and then do a Dain. All with no poop socking involved and all around a blasting good time :) Wish some of you would join us <3 we need more clerics and dps! Picture of me and my second avatar weapon here. Looted a Claw of Lightning earlier in the week and it's just amazing!

http://i.imgur.com/MnzFmzm.jpg

What sort of pixel and pl package are you offering?

[Nibblewitz]

What sort of pixel and pl package are you offering?

Raiding every day of the week, so no time to PL ya. Also, there's a loot council so SOL there too. Unfortunately, many members of BDA were denied pixels here and are seeking justice on Phinny.

[arsenalpow]

Raiding every day of the week, so no time to PL ya. Also, there's a loot council so SOL there too. Unfortunately, many members of BDA were denied pixels here and are seeking justice on Phinny.

Or we escaped the toxic environment that was choking the life out of the community to preserve the community's existence. Considering how upset p99 made you I'm surprised you're back there.

[EvilQuest]

loot council on instanced content? why would any guild rely on such a biased, unfair distribution system when it's easier than ever to award for effort?

head of the serpent gets food first

[Nibblewitz]

I remember doing a lot of stupid shit in that guild. We didn't want to share or compromise with anyone, ever. And whenever we had competition, we would gripe and lawyerquest the smallest things. I am truly thankful that BDA has found a place where they can continue doing their own thing.

Needless to say, p99 is probably a much better place now.

[Troubled]

221 boys no turning back now.

[arsenalpow]

I remember doing a lot of stupid shit in that guild. We didn't want to share or compromise with anyone, ever. And whenever we had competition, we would gripe and lawyerquest the smallest things. I am truly thankful that BDA has found a place where they can continue doing their own thing.

Needless to say, p99 is probably a much better place now.

BDA was shit on for years by the IBs and TMOs of the world because that's how p99 worked. Saying we "refused to compromise" is pure spin because it obviously takes two to tango so it doesn't fall at BDA's feet. Knock off the bullshit rustle routine.

[sirelothar]

I remember doing a lot of stupid shit in that guild. We didn't want to share or compromise with anyone, ever. And whenever we had competition, we would gripe and lawyerquest the smallest things. I am truly thankful that BDA has found a place where they can continue doing their own thing.

Needless to say, p99 is probably a much better place now.

TFW you think you're an asshole but in reality someone you respected turns out to be the bigger asshole. Enjoy Velious for another 2 years.
http://i.imgur.com/toZsqNi.gif

[Phenyo]

Phinny - so good BDA just can't stop coming back to blog about it. Reaching GG levels of crazy.

[Nibblewitz]

Validation is at that other kiosk.

[TotallyLegit]

Phinny - so good BDA just can't stop coming back to blog about it. Reaching GG levels of crazy.

This is why:

... Wish some of you would join us <3 we need more clerics and dps!...

Apparently Phinny people already hate them and they can't recruit from within the server.

[jcr4990]

Swish logic: Don't want to compete with ultra neckbeard guilds and have to stoop to their level to get things done in Class C? You must be a quitter coward noob

Swish logic: Poopsocking, 16 hr variance, FTE racing, Coth ducking, 20k+ worth of recharging clickies per week (Prolly way more than that), 5 yrs of Kunark, Permanent Velious. All of that is "what EQ was designed to be when it was made" but instances? Nope no way Jose

Nibble as I remember it you were in a pretty high position of power within BDA and pretty sure you had plenty of say about the things you're bitching about BDA doing no? Also I very clearly remember you stepping down as officer and going into a hate fueled rage against P99 and every post you made for months was about how shitty P99 was and how everyone was dumb for continuing to play it. Is it safe to say you've flip flopped and become a P99 apologist now?

[Nibblewitz]

Ever argue with Chest?

The whole time I thought p99 was the problem, and I was wrong.

[thieros]

Rip the Nibblewitz I knew man...

[jcr4990]

Ever argue with Chest?

The whole time I thought p99 was the problem, and I was wrong.

I argue with Chest on an almost daily basis. We have differing opinions on a LOT of things. I almost pissed myself laughing when somebody said I was a brown noser and implied I get special treatment for sucking up to leadership. At the end of the day though we're still cool and I still respect him as the guild leader and as a major pillar of our community. I hope you're trolling and not really dumb enough to think Chest was the only thing making P99 shitty. All you gotta do is observe the raid scene for 5 mins to see what the real problem is.

[Bruman]

Chest = Alarti

[khysanth]

Easy 250 pages I think

[Juevento]

I argue with Chest on an almost daily basis. We have differing opinions on a LOT of things. I almost pissed myself laughing when somebody said I was a brown noser and implied I get special treatment for sucking up to leadership. At the end of the day though we're still cool and I still respect him as the guild leader and as a major pillar of our community. I hope you're trolling and not really dumb enough to think Chest was the only thing making P99 shitty. All you gotta do is observe the raid scene for 5 mins to see what the real problem is.

Have you stolen someone's ring 9 spawn yet? I hear that's legal over on your p2w box.

[arsenalpow]

Have you stolen someone's ring 9 spawn yet? I hear that's legal over on your p2w box.

Relb had his stolen. GMs will reimburse a lost trigger though.

[Raev]

Ever argue with Chest? The whole time I thought p99 was the problem, and I was wrong.
I guess when you leave the cult you kind of look back in wonder at how you could have consumed so much koolaid!

BDA was shit on for years by the IBs and TMOs of the world because that's how p99 worked.
And here comes Chest with the cult narrative . . .

I think we are good for at least 300 pages here. I don't see this thread dying until Phinigel hits Gates/OOW at least.

[khanable]

Chest is a cool guy but he kicked me out once because I'm black

[Hoozi]

When does Luclin drop?

[arsenalpow]

Chest is a cool guy but he kicked me out once because I'm black

You're as black as Sadad

[Spyder73]

You guys should seriously just play WoW, not sure why your doing this to yourselves

[jcr4990]

EQ only matters if u poopsock for 16 hours

Where have I heard this rhetoric before?

[jcr4990]

Wow, BDA really ganging up to abuse Nibblewitz. Pretty cold

He took it upon himself to come here and trash talk his old guildies/friends that did nothing to him. Except ruin the server I guess? Thanks Chest

[jcr4990]

This is probably the same guild rhetoric that got you guys banned from p99

Lol we got banned from P99? News to me

[Sweettouch]

It's like watching an incredibly slow train wreck at this point

[AzzarTheGod]

the *** 100 thou the ***** the ****** thundred thou

they throw darts, I throw back ****

close range **** Kodak footage


Super Mario Movie dub on the first 5 seconds. Respect it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvvnnTnUrU8

[jcr4990]

I just logged on P99 and tried to open my map and nothing happened. Tried to open guild window nothing happened. Tried to click sow boots in SolB and it wouldn't cast. Typed /ex in under 5 min.

LOLNOTHANKS

[Lojik]

Thread looks like it's on pace to be 2nd most replied thread on forums

[jcr4990]

sorry you need in game map, guild windows, and indoor SoW to play EQ. I guess classic isn't an era for everyone!

Yea when you look at it objectively without the nostalgia glasses on its kinda shitty. Def not for everyone.

[Troubled]

Nibble's here to save the thread. Bow down.

[Kushie]

West Side Connection https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQiUJlRa0N8

[SyanideGas]

I guess when you leave the cult you kind of look back in wonder at how you could have consumed so much koolaid!


And here comes Chest with the cult narrative . . .

I think we are good for at least 300 pages here. I don't see this thread dying until Phinigel hits Gates/OOW at least.

Speaking of cults, where's Knix been lately

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

http://i.imgur.com/8bjAEBc.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/eB7PhDa.mp4

All I know is, the juiceboxes are flowing on phinny. And -- shock! -- even though there is no CR, the mechanics are surprisingly unnerfed for Live. Still nerfed, but not nearly as bad as previous TLP servers.

In contrast, p99 is run by a bunch of vacuous toffee-nosed malodorous perverts who have no idea how to properly GM a 17 year old elf simulator with entirely well-known end-game issues!

Oh wait, that's abuse.

Sorry.

[jcr4990]

All I know is, the juiceboxes are flowing on phinny. And -- shock! -- even though there is no CR, the mechanics are surprisingly unnerfed for Live. Still nerfed, but not nearly as bad as previous TLP servers.

In contrast, p99 is run by a bunch of vacuous toffee-nosed malodorous perverts who have no idea how to properly GM a 17 year old elf simulator with entirely well-known end-game issues!

Oh wait, that's abuse.

Sorry.

#TriggerWarning

[Kushie]

http://janessajaye.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Trigger-05.jpg

[AzzarTheGod]

West Side Connection https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQiUJlRa0N8

pras WC def got a few classics

[Kushie]

BDA is giving away Yelinak heads to scrub classes. Apply today http://i.imgur.com/nIiB5j5.jpg

[jcr4990]

Returning to NToV tonight boys. Will keep u posted on new kills.

[big_ole_jpn]

BDA is giving away Yelinak heads to scrub classes. Apply today http://i.imgur.com/nIiB5j5.jpg

to clarify -- you are giving away yelinak heads, or yelinak-shaped heads from a yelinak-shaped pinata found in a tov-shaped instance on a server with a "buy now" button on every piece of equipment's stat page?

[Phenyo]

Please, don't

[dafier]

I am madly in love with Chest. His hair is Soooooooooooo curly.

This is the best thread ever. P99 will thrive with toxic waste as long as we keep this thread alive.

Where's Mr. Blower? I've not seen him blow anyone for a few minutes.

Mr. Blower, blow me a dream. Make my post the cutest that everyone has seen.....

lalalala

[jcr4990]

a "buy now" button on every piece of equipment's stat page?

You don't understand how things work almost as good as Swish

Congrats

[big_ole_jpn]

You don't understand how things work almost as good as Swish

Congrats

there's not a buy now button on every piece of equipment w/ augmentation?

[jcr4990]

there's not a buy now button on every piece of equipment w/ augmentation?

Ornament augmentation slot yes. Cosmetic only. The "Buy now" button unlocks the ability to use the cosmetic aug slots. It's not a button to buy raid items nor does it improve your character in any way.

[big_ole_jpn]

Ornament augmentation slot yes. Cosmetic only. The "Buy now" button unlocks the ability to use the cosmetic aug slots. It's not a button to buy raid items nor does it improve your character in any way.

ok but there is a "buy now" button on every item's stat page, as i claimed, correct?

[AzzarTheGod]

ok but there is a "buy now" button on every item's stat page, as i claimed, correct?

lol are u fucking kidding me dude?

theres a buy now button on every fuckin item on your inventory stats page of an item?

[jcr4990]

lol are u fucking kidding me dude?

theres a buy now button on every fuckin item on your inventory stats page of an item?

Like I explained 2 posts up. Yes there's a button. Its for purchasing the ability to use cosmetic augments.

Know what doesn't exist here? Cancer raid scene with forced poopsocking/batphones to accomplish anything.

[Phenyo]

Like I explained 2 posts up. Yes there's a button. Its for purchasing the ability to use cosmetic augments.

Know what doesn't exist here? Cancer raid scene with forced poopsocking/batphones to accomplish anything.

How many kronos did u buy with irl cash?

[Jfertal]

How many kronos did u buy with irl cash?

I purchased 2 chinese farmers with irl money to farm me levels, krono, and to raid for dkp when im at work.

I think I finally won eq.

[jcr4990]

How many kronos did u buy with irl cash?

Me personally? 2 when I first started cause I thought fungi staff and CoS would get nerfed before I got high enough to farm them myself. Turns out I didn't need to buy them and I could've farmed it myself easily. Hindsight 20/20.

I'd never spend money on a krono at this point. I can farm enough pp to buy one in-game in 2-3 hours.

[Ravager]

These idiots will never be happy. First they robble robble about BDA wanting free handouts, now they robble robble about BDA paying for things.

[big_ole_jpn]

Like I explained 2 posts up. Yes there's a button. Its for purchasing the ability to use cosmetic augments.

Know what doesn't exist here? Cancer raid scene with forced poopsocking/batphones to accomplish anything.

thank u for clarifying that i was right while you were wrong due to your illiteracy

[big_ole_jpn]

lol are u fucking kidding me dude?

theres a buy now button on every fuckin item on your inventory stats page of an item?

wouldn't expect you to read thread (I didnt either), so here's what i caught skimming a few pages back. jcr just confirmed that every visually augmentable piece of equipment (I assume this is all pieces of equipment in a graphical slot) has this button on the stats page.


http://i.imgur.com/6WeBzgV.jpg

note: a phinny player willingly linked this as evidence that his server is superior due to "vulak" pixels acquired.

The item name is genius, didnt notice it til just now. jcr if you don't actually play on phinny you're a master troll.

[jcr4990]

You can buy cosmetic things for money in video games?!? What is this travesty?

/s

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

you sound like someone who would read Man and his Symbols and think it's a good thing

That just freaked me out. That is a rather classic text that attempts to summarize Jung's version of Freud's psychoanlytic model of the human psyche. Had a preface, I believe, written by one of Jung's daughters? memory might be failing me. I've used that text in classes.

So: GUILTY

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

It's a very nice collection of essays by a wide variety of authors, and very stimulating. I wonder: why did you find it troubling to read?

Just curious.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

i still wonder what toffee-nosed is tho.....?

google "argument clinic video"

yw

[big_ole_jpn]

You can buy platinum for money in video games and neon colored buy now buttons are jammed in your face on every item's stat page?!? What is this travesty?

/s

[jcr4990]

Lady Nev down. God damn that fight is annoying.

http://i.imgur.com/aPFd5TX.jpg

[Kushie]

RIP Vulak and Nibblewitz

[jcr4990]

Vulak down. Socks are clean and no 3am batphone in sight. Feels fuckin goog.

http://i.imgur.com/OX0ap2k.jpg

[Hodge]

im so glad we tracked that for 16 hours...
and that FTE was on point...

good job guys.

[Sodors Finest Poster]

Which one of us logs into EQ? Which one of us logs into a "fanfic" server with a bunch of made up rules and pretends it's EQ? ;)

BDA should just run their own eq emu.

At least they wouldn't have to rmt on it.

[Spyder73]

I made you guys a banner for forum quest

[Relbaic]

Oh noes Swish is banned.

[Nirgon]

Swish so triggered by BDA succeeding on Phinny. Hilarious.

Meanwhile hes trapped on this shithole begging for donations for a pretend race so he can pay for his internet connection to keep forumquesting.

What a truly pathetic specimen.

http://i.imgur.com/t1B39VG.jpg




thing is it was simple to retain this portion of the player base

its a blue server, put in a rotation

you didn't

they left




man I didn't see this comin'

[Nirgon]

anyone remember that trollborn guy? :)

[Ravager]

Oh noes Swish is banned.

It was probably done on purpose. His posting habit was getting the better of him again and he couldn't face the humiliation of another "retirement" thread, so he opted for the 6 month forced vacation.

[Phenyo]

Oh noes Swish is banned.

Pour one out for the homie




























































































































Syke

[Spyder73]

Purging Swish posts from the permanent record as well it seems.

Pray for little Swish, not sure what he will do for a week with no forum access

[khysanth]

Kid still thinks it is cool and edgy to use a homophobic slur in the year of our lord obama 2016 llol

[khysanth]

im not sure we'll make page 250 anymore tho :(

maybe if nibblewitz steps up his game

[Phenyo]

Is this the part where I make a thread claiming all the credit ala Pokesan?

gotem

[heyokah]

Swish Rustled and destroyed.

[Kushie]

Swish is making BDA posts in his gmail.com draft folder for future posting.

[Kushie]

Also i'm pixel high from vulak

[Kushie]

Also BDA got Swish banned, confirmed.


TTTTTTRRIPPPLEE POST

[Juevento]

Also BDA got Swish banned, confirmed.


TTTTTTRRIPPPLEE POST

Confirmed, rustled.

[khysanth]

You say to your guild, "

[Raev]

it seems that 'rustled' and 'triggered' have replaced 'u mad bro' as the weapons of choice of unskilled forum questers

[maskedmelon]

it seems that 'rustled' and 'triggered' have replaced 'u mad bro' as the weapons of choice of unskilled forum questers

The evolution of language... :o

[Hoozi]

it seems that 'rustled' and 'triggered' have replaced 'u mad bro' as the weapons of choice of unskilled forum questers

add 'cuck' to that list.

[jcr4990]

Haha fuck Swish. It brings me an unreasonable amount of joy that he got banned. We can only hope its a permanent.

[Sodors Finest Poster]

Watch Sodor start a war.

[Kushie]

Does anyone hate this fucking train?

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/4/29/1272552502832/Gordon-006.jpg

[Sodors Finest Poster]

Does anyone hate this fucking train?

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/4/29/1272552502832/Gordon-006.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/SPRiA9j.gif

[Troubled]

Without Swish cries, this thread dies.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

http://i.imgur.com/Bm7KEY8.png

[jcr4990]

This thread will live on without Swish. It won't grow quite as rapidly but I'll consistently post updates for a very long time. Don't fret.

[LostCause]

feels good playing everquest for 17 years.

/played 6205 days

[Kushie]

BDA beat TMO to Vulak, Avatar and Sleeper's ancients despite starting on the server after them. Glory to BDA gods of everquest and dear glorious leader Chest of the rising sun.

http://phinnykills.com/

[jcr4990]

BDA beat TMO to Vulak, Avatar and Sleeper's ancients despite starting on the server after them. Glory to BDA gods of everquest and dear glorious leader Chest of the rising sun.

http://phinnykills.com/

Pras it

[AzzarTheGod]

seen this on that link

Luclin Launches in....
1
MONTHS
:

3
WEEKS
:

2
DAYS
:

11
HOURS
:

30
MINUTES

:D

One of the better expacs, along with Planes of Power.

[Sodors Finest Poster]

i'll hope on the next phinigel server when oow comes out and everyone leaves phinigel.

[jcr4990]

One of the better expacs, along with Planes of Power.


What he said. Velious sucks wang tbh.

[AzzarTheGod]

What he said. Velious sucks wang tbh.

Luclin is on par with Kunark as far as "immersive vast world experience and mysterious bosses and encounters" go.

I have always spoken out against Velious and have made several posts as to why Velious doesn't stack up to Kunark, Luclin, or PoP.

I don't consider Velious to be a full size expac in any way shape or form with PoG being shit, and PoM not being what it could have been. Its incredibly small to begin with, and then 2 major "cool and immersive" raid zones are wasted.

[Kushie]

BDA BDA BDA

[AzzarTheGod]

kunark is way better than velious

The whole "winter is coming" meme promo being smattered in OOC and on the forums pre-Velious launch on P99 had me cringing hard at all the rose-colored glasses around here.

I'll continue to speak out against Velious. The design was not nearly as ambitious as the other expacs and that's why they tried to give us something to make up for it in Luclin.

[Kushie]

Luclin is ok. POP is tops

[AzzarTheGod]

Luclin is ok. POP is tops

Luclin opened the door to the golden era, and then PoP ushered in the pinnacle of raid design, and ALSO class design.

It was the best class defining expac with the best progression based raid system, which was presented as an alternative solution to full instancing. With potime only utilizing pseudo-instancing.

The difficulty of each tier increased dramatically, peaking with Corinav pre-Time.

I'm not much of a blue guy, but the opportunity to experience the challenges of Luclin and PoP is almost worth rolling Phinigel with BDA. The work required in Luclin is tremendous- being the only deterrent.

[Nirgon]

PoP was great pve

[jcr4990]

OoW is easily top 2 if not my favorite expansion. It's a tough call between OoW or PoP. I know I personally won't be leaving Phinigel when it comes around. Agree with Eshan I didn't start disliking live EQ til PoR.

[AzzarTheGod]

PoP was great pve

Goes without saying, as a classic PvP man myself, (with starting roots outside of the raid scene) that I'm speaking strictly about the PvE experience.

[jcr4990]

Thanks for that methrot. No one has forgotten jcr is like a fedoratipping tween, so incapable of original thought that the best he could do whilst naming his new EQ main (not once, but twice) Is to reference the stalest memes on the net

How many tells have u gotten complimenting your name Jue Vento? ;)

[Sodors Finest Poster]

http://i.imgur.com/L0Utzq3.jpg

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Criticizing Velious is easy on hindsight.

At the time, it was a massive and innovative new world. Instead of single zones with single bosses, you had the idea of an "end zone" with lots of bosses. (Granted VP already was that, but on live most raiding guilds did not get to VP until after Velious was released.) Additionally, faction became a vital part of gameplay, even if it was not perfectly implemented.

Criticizing Velious is just demonstrating either a) you are a dunce or b) you were still in 4th grade when it came out.

[Kushie]

When does Blue99 get Luclin again?

[jcr4990]

Criticizing Velious is easy on hindsight.

At the time, it was a massive and innovative new world. Instead of single zones with single bosses, you had the idea of an "end zone" with lots of bosses. (Granted VP already was that, but on live most raiding guilds did not get to VP until after Velious was released.) Additionally, faction became a vital part of gameplay, even if it was not perfectly implemented.

Criticizing Velious is just demonstrating either a) you are a dunce or b) you were still in 4th grade when it came out.

Kunark and Luclin are both better expansions than Velious

Sorry

[pathius41]

I would put velious just a tick above Kunark. Luclin was the single worst thing that ever happened to EQ.

[AzzarTheGod]

I would put velious just a tick above Kunark. Luclin was the single worst thing that ever happened to EQ.

Strongly disagree.

Luclin is one of the most immersive open-world experiences outside of Kunark in classic EQ. It had more soul than Velious, partly as a result of being the most ambitious expac in EQ history from the itemization to the world design.

You can tell people were actually working on it, and people cared about creating a full experience.

I.E. it wasn't a pile of snow shit. As I said earlier, if DN, PoG, and PoM were done correctly and DN was Sebilis 2.0 I'd edge it out over Kunark. There are just too many wasted zones in Velious.

Crystal Caverns should have been bumped to Lowerguk status with the itemization to back it up, wasted level 30 zone with cringe-inducing drops. The development just wasn't there. It could have been great, but fell short due to lack of manpower and going over the design docs. It didn't get the same love as Kunark and Luclin.

I could go on, but I think that's sufficient to put Sadre Spinegnawer and yourself on check.

The lack of complete design and polish in Velious, along with glaring flaws, keeps it a peg below Kunark in my book, and apparently JCR and Kushie's book too.

[AzzarTheGod]

Kunark and Luclin are both better expansions than Velious

Sorry

I actually care about killing Ssra bosses and seeing Lord Inquisitor Sseru's mysterious ass dead. I didn't care much for a zone with a big pile of shitty dragons in a big vaunted ceiling pit

I have fond memories of fighting the Creator in Ssra for the first time with a small force and beating him after being terrified about the fact we couldn't pull him and didn't know what other special properties he may have (Curses). When we killed a dragon, well it was just another shitty dragon in a long line of shitty dragons. Loot piñata zones get boring. Ssra brought the real heat and real mobs with real identities.

[LostCause]

most people who say classic was the best prob never even played past PoP.

[EQBallzz]

most people who say classic was the best prob never even played past PoP.

Probably because Gates of Discord came after PoP and drove everyone away. That was a terrible expansion.

[Raev]

I think it's pretty clear that it just took Verant a while to figure out how to do good raid content. All of the raid content in Classic through Velious is basically 'buy resist gear, get a few tanks, get a CH chain, possibly slow target, win'. Trakanon is probably the most interesting encounter in all three expansions. If he had even 200k HP he would be legitimately challenging even now.

The biggest problem I have with Velious vs Kunark is the dungeon itemization. In Kunark, for example, a number of really good items dropped in the dungeons: Hiero Cloak, Fungi, JBB, Stave of Shielding, Burnt Wood Staff, Enshrouded Veil, Fingerbone Hoop, Necklace of Superiority, Vibrating Gauntlets, etc. Sirens and DN are great dungeons from a fun/challenge perspective; there just isn't any good pixel reason to go there. Verant had the right idea (let's put some good items in dungeons, but make them hard to get e.g. Willsapper/Drums of the Beast) but they simply overdid it. Sirens would be so much better if some low quality NTOV items were the rare drops off the L60 priestesses. Say something roughly equivalent statwise to the Helmet of the Crawler, Ancient Fire Etched Flamberge, or the Bracelet of the Deep Sea.

But yeah, it does make me sad that this server will never see Luclin and Planes of Power; I've heard enough to be curious about those expansions.

P.S. Don't worry swish, I will keep this thread alive until you get unbanned!

[mrreavers]

Probably because Gates of Discord came after PoP and drove everyone away. That was a terrible expansion.

Well, there was Ykesha. That added frogloks and maps into the game. But GoD was the straw that broke the camel's back, so I have to agree that it was terrible. Overtuned and they added a barebones 2-hander class.

[Nirgon]

Luclin at first launch and the new and shiny from AA's? Great.


VT raid #60 and realizing half these AA's you are grinding suck (rogue after 200 was like oh lemme just get this tank shit I guess)...


I'd take the classic raid schedule (without p99 variance) over Kunark, Kunark raid schedule over Velious and Luclin.... did you do lots of VT? Cuz. Yeah VT was fucking awful and gross. Always wanted to do burrower/thought horror overfiend but guild was always too burnt out and it "wasn't worth it". Just yuck and there were so many stupid forgettable zones. Redoing ssra farming to get people rings and bane weps was gross, but the turn over issues weren't as bad as in PoP with its original flagging system (VT rekey included). If I remember right, the VT key/scepter was like doing 3 VP keys per char.

[Llodd]

Well, there was Ykesha. That added frogloks and maps into the game. But GoD was the straw that broke the camel's back, so I have to agree that it was terrible. Overtuned and they added a barebones 2-hander class.

Some of the keying zones where you charmed a mob as a chanter, hasted it and then watch it rip everything to pieces was insane.

GoD's end zone and some of the trials were pretty damn good.

But really, how do you follow PoP ? It felt like a natural end to EQ and no matter what may have come next people were going to leave.

[Daldaen]

GoD once it was retuned was incredible.

Tipt trial was great group content with a competent enchanter.
Ikkinz flagging trials were challenging group content that requires you actually had 6 competent players and no longer allowed you to Charm/Slow and face roll the content. The rewards were mid-tier PoTime quality so it was an alternative to raiding for devoted group players.

Beyond that, the raids were incredible.

All 4 Ikkinz trials were good, actually some very interesting and unique mechanics got used in there.
Uqua was good because it penalized you for having just a few incompetents in your Guild, no longer could you be carried by a small number.
Qvic Msha's I liked in that they allowed you to raid outside of raid times, but they definitely had the potential for being monopolized by certain cliques within guilds.
Inktuta's Cursecaller event was hilarious, and definitely a change up. I like events where there is something that deviates hugely from the norm... Like not actually needing the heal your tanks since the mobs hit for 30 max, instead the real challenge came from handling the death touch mechanics. Changing the raid role of the Cleric, Druid and Shamans.
Txevu had some pretty good events like the Runt, Ukun Bloodbeast, Cragbeast Matriarch, High Priest were all interesting and different in their own way... But the Zun Muram in that zone was far and away the best event in GoD. It had a little of everything, and required a strategy far different from everything before it to win.
Tacvi was a good example of what the end zone should be. Minimal, but difficult, trash mobs and a solid number of raid bosses.

Really had GoD been released in its post-tuned status, it would've been up there with PoP, not quite to the same level because PoP had a few more quests and better tradeskill coverage, but certainly better than Kunark and Velious.

[mr_jon3s]

GoD once it was retuned was incredible.

Tipt trial was great group content with a competent enchanter.
Ikkinz flagging trials were challenging group content that requires you actually had 6 competent players and no longer allowed you to Charm/Slow and face roll the content. The rewards were mid-tier PoTime quality so it was an alternative to raiding for devoted group players.

Beyond that, the raids were incredible.

All 4 Ikkinz trials were good, actually some very interesting and unique mechanics got used in there.
Uqua was good because it penalized you for having just a few incompetents in your Guild, no longer could you be carried by a small number.
Qvic Msha's I liked in that they allowed you to raid outside of raid times, but they definitely had the potential for being monopolized by certain cliques within guilds.
Inktuta's Cursecaller event was hilarious, and definitely a change up. I like events where there is something that deviates hugely from the norm... Like not actually needing the heal your tanks since the mobs hit for 30 max, instead the real challenge came from handling the death touch mechanics. Changing the raid role of the Cleric, Druid and Shamans.
Txevu had some pretty good events like the Runt, Ukun Bloodbeast, Cragbeast Matriarch, High Priest were all interesting and different in their own way... But the Zun Muram in that zone was far and away the best event in GoD. It had a little of everything, and required a strategy far different from everything before it to win.
Tacvi was a good example of what the end zone should be. Minimal, but difficult, trash mobs and a solid number of raid bosses.

Really had GoD been released in its post-tuned status, it would've been up there with PoP, not quite to the same level because PoP had a few more quests and better tradeskill coverage, but certainly better than Kunark and Velious.

Yup and OoW had some great raids and epic 2.0 which was great.

[pathius41]

most people who say classic was the best prob never even played past PoP.

I played, and raided with a top end guild up until last year, classic is still better with the exception of PoP.

[SowIsLifeSowIsLove]

Yup and OoW had some great raids and epic 2.0 which was great.

How hard was epic 2.0? Did it require raid forces like some pieces of 1.0 epics? We're there bottle necks?

[AzzarTheGod]

I think it's pretty clear that it just took Verant a while to figure out how to do good raid content. All of the raid content in Classic through Velious is basically 'buy resist gear, get a few tanks, get a CH chain, possibly slow target, win'. Trakanon is probably the most interesting encounter in all three expansions. If he had even 200k HP he would be legitimately challenging even now.

The biggest problem I have with Velious vs Kunark is the dungeon itemization. In Kunark, for example, a number of really good items dropped in the dungeons: Hiero Cloak, Fungi, JBB, Stave of Shielding, Burnt Wood Staff, Enshrouded Veil, Fingerbone Hoop, Necklace of Superiority, Vibrating Gauntlets, etc. Sirens and DN are great dungeons from a fun/challenge perspective; there just isn't any good pixel reason to go there. Verant had the right idea (let's put some good items in dungeons, but make them hard to get e.g. Willsapper/Drums of the Beast) but they simply overdid it. Sirens would be so much better if some low quality NTOV items were the rare drops off the L60 priestesses. Say something roughly equivalent statwise to the Helmet of the Crawler, Ancient Fire Etched Flamberge, or the Bracelet of the Deep Sea.

But yeah, it does make me sad that this server will never see Luclin and Planes of Power; I've heard enough to be curious about those expansions.

P.S. Don't worry swish, I will keep this thread alive until you get unbanned!

Already covered 3 posts ago, thanks 4 repost and comment.

[Daldaen]

Epic 1.5 and 2.0 were some good quests.

There weren't any bottlenecks in the way of say... A Verina Tomb. Rare long respawn mob.

Mostly it came down to some rare drops across entire zones, or guaranteed drops from mobs who spawn when a player at the correct step in the quest zones in.

Each 1.5 had about 2-3 raid fights that were designed for about 4-6 groups at the time. Some were easy some were hard.

The 2.0 epic was basically a very small 1.5 epic requiring 1-2 harder raid fights designed for a full 9 group raid, as well as all class epic 2.0s requiring an globe from the end zone (4 possible per clear of the end zone).

As always though, some of the epic clickies/foci were very imbalanced compared to the other ones. So they could've done a better job on that. It became particularly apparent at later levels when the cleric/bard/shaman/SK/Paladin clickies were required to perform your raid role and the Druid/Warrior/Wizard/Mage/Beast type ones just didn't scale up.

OoW was another good expansion full of content that was fun to play through on the recent Quarm server.

[AzzarTheGod]

Luclin at first launch and the new and shiny from AA's? Great.


VT raid #60 and realizing half these AA's you are grinding suck (rogue after 200 was like oh lemme just get this tank shit I guess)...


I'd take the classic raid schedule (without p99 variance) over Kunark, Kunark raid schedule over Velious and Luclin.... did you do lots of VT? Cuz. Yeah VT was fucking awful and gross. Always wanted to do burrower/thought horror overfiend but guild was always too burnt out and it "wasn't worth it". Just yuck and there were so many stupid forgettable zones. Redoing ssra farming to get people rings and bane weps was gross, but the turn over issues weren't as bad as in PoP with its original flagging system (VT rekey included). If I remember right, the VT key/scepter was like doing 3 VP keys per char.

Admittedly never did legit VT. Top guilds leadership was pretty much openly hacking at that point, but only for VT.

Never saw any hacks outside of VT during PoP/GoD era not even once. VT was the only zone where you would see a top guild flagrantly hacking. CoH points, instant aggro dumps (intra-zone gate reloads you at the same point you are standing in, its like gating to bind except you "zone please wait..." and don't go anywhere. Pretty neat and speeds pulls up to wildfire levels of burn.

You'd see a monk disappear from /who for a few seconds and be like where did he go?? "he logged for a sec", "that was a fast relog", "yep" *awkward silence in vent*

Does say a lot about the flaws of VT. I don't support hacks per se, but I appreciate officers taking the initative on Sullon Zek, Rallos Zek, and Legend$ when it comes to VT.

[Daldaen]

VT you could either clear for 12 hours, hack, Z-Axis exploit and go in through the rough, or get scientific as shit with it.

I know of many guilds who cleared trash weekly and many who paratroopered in through the ceiling.

But almost every named in that zone had a safe location to camp out and start a CotH chain if you had a rogue who had the keys to tell them when to log in. Blob 1/2s rooms you could camp in the corner near the triangle things on the wall and CotH there. The three 2nd floor Diabo each had a back hallway with a single pather on a 2-3 min cycle, so if you logged in at the proper time you could CotH in a warrior, cleric, shaman to offtank it while you CotH more in. The most precarious of the CotH positions was at DXXT. You had to have a rogue tank a trap mob, have the mage log in, CotH either a chanter or warrior first to mez (if mezzable) or tank the mob while you got more up there all while using a small pillar to block LoS on the boss. After 15 or so people up there some derp would inevitably aggro the boss and you'd have to do it live.

After the initial clear to place bots and get rogues keyed, you could do VT legit in 2-3 hours. You just had to have a decent number of mage bots to do every single mob. VT raid mobs weren't the challenge (they were almost all corner tank bores), the challenge came from figuring out how to bypass the trash and clear the zone quicker than the week before.

Luclin was an incredible expansion though. Raid encounters outside of VT were actually challenging and fun beyond corner tanking.

[AzzarTheGod]

VT you could either clear for 12 hours, hack, Z-Axis exploit and go in through the rough, or get scientific as shit with it.

I know of many guilds who cleared trash weekly and many who paratroopered in through the ceiling.

But almost every named in that zone had a safe location to camp out and start a CotH chain if you had a rogue who had the keys to tell them when to log in. Blob 1/2s rooms you could camp in the corner near the triangle things on the wall and CotH there. The three 2nd floor Diabo each had a back hallway with a single pather on a 2-3 min cycle, so if you logged in at the proper time you could CotH in a warrior, cleric, shaman to offtank it while you CotH more in. The most precarious of the CotH positions was at DXXT. You had to have a rogue tank a trap mob, have the mage log in, CotH either a chanter or warrior first to mez (if mezzable) or tank the mob while you got more up there all while using a small pillar to block LoS on the boss. After 15 or so people up there some derp would inevitably aggro the boss and you'd have to do it live.

After the initial clear to place bots and get rogues keyed, you could do VT legit in 2-3 hours. You just had to have a decent number of mage bots to do every single mob. VT raid mobs weren't the challenge (they were almost all corner tank bores), the challenge came from figuring out how to bypass the trash and clear the zone quicker than the week before.

Luclin was an incredible expansion though. Raid encounters outside of VT were actually challenging and fun beyond corner tanking.

Good insight into the legit side of things. That z-axis paratroop maneuver in VT was what made EQ great. The little exploits and quality of life boosts you'd gain...WoW could never fill that experience.

For me it was also about 2-3 hours depending.

Some guilds just didn't take the initiative for the CotH bots, or have the rogues I'm guessing.

Blame the guild, not the game.

[Kushie]

VT key sucks, not looking forward to that. Otherwise Luclin + PoP will be so fun.

[JackFlash]

VT you could either clear for 12 hours, hack, Z-Axis exploit and go in through the rough, or get scientific as shit with it.

I know of many guilds who cleared trash weekly and many who paratroopered in through the ceiling.

But almost every named in that zone had a safe location to camp out and start a CotH chain if you had a rogue who had the keys to tell them when to log in. Blob 1/2s rooms you could camp in the corner near the triangle things on the wall and CotH there. The three 2nd floor Diabo each had a back hallway with a single pather on a 2-3 min cycle, so if you logged in at the proper time you could CotH in a warrior, cleric, shaman to offtank it while you CotH more in. The most precarious of the CotH positions was at DXXT. You had to have a rogue tank a trap mob, have the mage log in, CotH either a chanter or warrior first to mez (if mezzable) or tank the mob while you got more up there all while using a small pillar to block LoS on the boss. After 15 or so people up there some derp would inevitably aggro the boss and you'd have to do it live.

After the initial clear to place bots and get rogues keyed, you could do VT legit in 2-3 hours. You just had to have a decent number of mage bots to do every single mob. VT raid mobs weren't the challenge (they were almost all corner tank bores), the challenge came from figuring out how to bypass the trash and clear the zone quicker than the week before.

Luclin was an incredible expansion though. Raid encounters outside of VT were actually challenging and fun beyond corner tanking.


Definitely some legit info here. Luclin had a lot of cool things going for it besides the whole lore thing.....

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Kunark and Luclin are both better expansions than Velious

Sorry

Not relative to the points I made lololo. Single zone = single boss was the model. Luclin introduced the idea of an end *zone*, an entire zone filled with delicious, delicious pixels.

We can debate whether this was good gamedesign, but no denying this was a change. And my argument was, at the time, this was a fun and stimulating change.

Debate? No debate really. Unless you want to argue the entire end-zone concept is flawed.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Good insight into the legit side of things. That z-axis paratroop maneuver in VT was what made EQ great. The little exploits and quality of life boosts you'd gain...WoW could never fill that experience.

For me it was also about 2-3 hours depending.

Some guilds just didn't take the initiative for the CotH bots, or have the rogues I'm guessing.

Blame the guild, not the game.

A single night VT was the ideal, but it took a while to get there. During those days, things were not as frantic. 2 day VT clears seemed to work just fine.

Could you multiday PoT? I might be wrong, but think that was first mega-zone you had to be able to get done in one raid.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Sadre are you with bda in phinny?

I'm with BDA in Phinny in the sense that if you send Chest a tell, he will say, "yes of course he is, wait a sec, what did he do?"

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

So do u guys hire hookers or just use flashlight and vasoline

I use a crew of hard pipe hitting ******s with blowtorches and pliers.

[AzzarTheGod]

Could you multiday PoT? I might be wrong, but think that was first mega-zone you had to be able to get done in one raid.

Yeah eventually they split Time up,

but you still needed to clear the big dog level in one take. Which wasn't a big deal with the split.

[big_ole_jpn]

Emp is the best encounter in EQ

[AzzarTheGod]

Emp is the best encounter in EQ

inclined to agree, they tried really hard with Overlord Mata Muram but it sucked.

[Bruno]

We need an update.

[LostCause]

just got my 900th krono today

[LostCause]

cool welcome to 16 years ago.

[Sodors Finest Poster]

You must have some really good foot racers!

What apps do you use to screen share and batphone?

[Phenyo]

I use a crew of hard pipe hitting ******s with blowtorches and pliers.

SAFE SPACE SAFE SPACE SAFE SPACE

[Daldaen]

Yeah eventually they split Time up,

but you still needed to clear the big dog level in one take. Which wasn't a big deal with the split.

Time was originally a semi-static zone in PoP/LoY before they created instancing. During this time period you needed to clear entire phases 1, 2, 3 for them to be down on your next day through.

So you could certainly do Phase 1, 2, 3 and maybe 1 or 2 of the Phase 4 gods. Come back the next day, reclear Phase 1 (12 hour respawn) and then do the rest of Phase 4, 5 and 6.

Not much changed in the instanced version of time, the above was true you just didn't have to worry about another guild coming in and sniping the upper phases when you cleared the grunt work ones. Not that this really ever presented itself as an issue since every server that actually saw a guild in pre-instanced PoTime only saw a single one there because they kept down earlier PoP progression targets to prevent other guilds from progressing.

The only thing I'm not sure on is what happens if you only clear a part of Phase 2 or 3 and you came back the next day. I seem to recall hearing the zone would spawn shadows of the loot dropping mobs which were clones with no loot that you had to clear through along with their associated trash mobs.

[burkemi5]

K. Cleared Tormax, Vindi, Statue, Idol, AoW(2 BoC), Dain and Yelinak last night.

Clearing growth and killing Tunare for the first time tonight.

How long does a Growth clear take on there?

[Spyder73]

How long does a Growth clear take on there?

Can pay a Krono and have the zone AoE death touched anytime you want

[Sodors Finest Poster]

Can pay a Krono and have the zone AoE death touched anytime you want

Can I pay krono to get an elf-date?

[Spyder73]

Can I pay krono to get an elf-date?

I heard you like trainies *ba da pa*

[SowIsLifeSowIsLove]

I heard you like trainies *ba da pa*

/slow clap

[arsenalpow]

How long does a Growth clear take on there?

Took like 3-4 hours with only maybe 18-24 people, we're bringing the whole raid force this time so I'm hoping to engage Tunare at the 3 hour mark

[Archalen]

I actually care about killing Ssra bosses and seeing Lord Inquisitor Sseru's mysterious ass dead. I didn't care much for a zone with a big pile of shitty dragons in a big vaunted ceiling pit

I have fond memories of fighting the Creator in Ssra for the first time with a small force and beating him after being terrified about the fact we couldn't pull him and didn't know what other special properties he may have (Curses). When we killed a dragon, well it was just another shitty dragon in a long line of shitty dragons. Loot piñata zones get boring. Ssra brought the real heat and real mobs with real identities.

Real talk right here. SSRA was the shit.

[Hoozi]

Can pay a Krono and have the zone AoE death touched anytime you want

Ill pay you 10 krono to never post again, k?

[Sodors Finest Poster]

Ill pay you 10 krono to never post again, k?

Speak to his publisher.

[AzzarTheGod]

SAFE SPACE SAFE SPACE SAFE SPACE

Free my dawg Sadre.

[AzzarTheGod]

Real talk right here. SSRA was the shit.

It was a fuckin beast. Notice how none of these nerds can defend Velious?

Literally nobody has been able to mount a good pro-Velious rebuttal. I always smash nerds on it and send them packing.

Sadre even self-destructed over it and now hes riding w/ BDA on Phinigel.

[Raev]

oh man, did Sadre actually get banned for quoting Pulp Fiction?

[Daldaen]

Ssra had some really baller mechanics.

Even something as simple as XtC was a huge change up. A mob that Rampaged every round meant you had to run two CH chains simultaneously while keeping your tanks cured of the Debuff. No more "just spot heal the ramp tank" strat.

High Priest encounter though I only did it a handful of times when modern, was also incredible. Remember those banishment spells that went on page 32 of your spell book? Yea pull those bitches out and actually use them!

Emperor was a great one. I have mixed feelings on the banes but I really liked how the event required all forms of CC. Unmezzable slowed mobs for your knights to offtank, unslowable mezzables for your Enchanters to lock down, main boss for your raid to tank, and respawning adds if you're too slow for DPS to handle. Great all around event.

Luclin crushed Velious in every way. Hell some of the best parts of Velious, came during Luclin. Shawl 8 Quest and Vulak Ring event namely being great examples.

[big_ole_jpn]

It was a fuckin beast. Notice how none of these nerds can defend Velious?

Literally nobody has been able to mount a good pro-Velious rebuttal. I always smash nerds on it and send them packing.

Sadre even self-destructed over it and now hes riding w/ BDA on Phinigel.

Luclin has dope raiding and some of the AAs are cool (ranger actually becomes a class cool), but it also came with cats on the moon, gay models, etc. It's the first expansion that was kind of a mixed shit sandwich instead of just being str8 content. Like u can say things about Velious raiding and how it was kinda a barebones expansion in some regards, but still those shortfalls are much less of a big deal to me than adding in shit that is gay and destroys game culture, like the Bazaar (I think that was patched in closer to PoP though? but it's still something intended to be in Luclin).

This is the same problem PoP has to a greater degree -- a good amount of dank content but slaughters the game's culture by adding PoK. Repudiation of initial design philosophy. You are now playing a different game.

There is also the fact that every subsequent expansion was destined to suffer further mudflation. On a fundamental level these games have limited lifespans, can only suffer so many expansions before trash like PoK becomes necessary design elements.

Can't mount a pro-Velious argument because I'm not really that big a fan, but still, however weak or strong it was, Velious doesn't add anything to the game that is a for-the-worse direct contradiction of EQ's original design philosophy. In that sense it does constitute the "golden age" classical era of EQ in that it's the maximum span of content EQ had before travel and social interaction began to be modulated by automated systems.

EQMac was more fun than p99 tho so maybe PoP really is the tippie.

[entruil]

slaughters the game's culture by adding PoK. Repudiation of initial design philosophy. You are now playing a different game.

can only suffer so many expansions before trash like PoK becomes necessary design elements.


"golden age" classical era of EQ in that it's the maximum span of content

These parts. By themselves.

[arsenalpow]

http://i.imgur.com/tMLzGiL.jpg

[Cecily]

Good stuff. Congrats.

[moss_snake_shadowknight]

BDA showing how its done!!!

[Cecily]

BDA showing how its done!!!

http://i.imgur.com/kXFuM8Y.gif

[Kushie]

Welcome to page 230

[jcr4990]

P99 won't be in stale old Velious forever. Custom content is coming right after Discord server. Won't be long now.

http://i.imgur.com/W9jXXjY.gif

[AzzarTheGod]

http://i.imgur.com/kXFuM8Y.gif

which BDA member is that

[Anichek]

which BDA member is that

Probably one of Chest's ex's

[Meep]

Probably one of Chest's ex's

I take it she couldnt compete for attention with his online bros all pixel hungry and trying to get in the inner circle. Then left him for someone with a better outlook on life?

[bdastomper58]

I take it she couldnt compete for attention with his online bros all pixel hungry and trying to get in the inner circle. Then left him for someone with a better outlook on life?

kicked him to the curb the second SRS got approved

[arsenalpow]

Yup, me and trannies. I guess I have a type :/

[big_ole_jpn]

So why cant they just add it in the "spirit of classic" then, and never patch scions in so it doesn't "invalidate porters" (which everyone knows is just a bullshit strawman) and disable /trader or whatever the fuck it was so you still have to /auction in Baz, its still a significantly better place to trade than the tunnel, disable mounts or remove the vendors/remove the drops from emp and seru. Still triggered by Vah Shir? Replace them with kerran models. Don't make beastlords playable? Seems like there's plenty of options for them for "custom content" Will you ever see any of it? We both know the answer to that. ;)

U arent implying that I said scions invalidate porters, are you? Cuz that'd be a bullshit strawman. The rest of what you recommend sounds really gay, except maybe disabling /trader (it was disabled for most of Luclin's life cycle anyway).

[Freakish]

I don't get the hate on actually paying for an EQ server. A lot of the achievements BDA posts here I just roll my eyes at. Going to another server to kill Tunare? She was up for months at a time on p99. It was only recently that she got turned into a rotation and I'm sure if you really wanted you can log on now and ask for a shot at her. Financially rewarding a game you spend countless hours on isn't a bad thing. I reaaaaaaally doubt anyone is spending hundreds to deck themselves out in velious BIS and if they are they'll be quitting as soon as they realize gear is the second most important thing in EQ. Strategy is the most important.

[big_ole_jpn]

I don't get the hate on actually paying for an EQ server. A lot of the achievements BDA posts here I just roll my eyes at. Going to another server to kill Tunare? She was up for months at a time on p99. It was only recently that she got turned into a rotation and I'm sure if you really wanted you can log on now and ask for a shot at her. Financially rewarding a game you spend countless hours on isn't a bad thing. I reaaaaaaally doubt anyone is spending hundreds to deck themselves out in velious BIS and if they are they'll be quitting as soon as they realize gear is the second most important thing in EQ. Strategy is the most important.

financially rewarding a game with ingame RMT because you like classic eq this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol41QF4fQoc)

[Freakish]

Yeah, original EQ had RMT. Unless they start physically creating items to sell I don't see the problem. I quit WoW because they were making so many in game items that I couldn't get without paying for them. From what I understand, you can trade kronos for in game items that have dropped but they aren't physically summoning you Vulak loot because you gave them twenty bucks.

[big_ole_jpn]

Sharquee's viral load is way lower than Tyrone's, so it's cool if we bareback

[jcr4990]

Yeah, original EQ had RMT. Unless they start physically creating items to sell I don't see the problem. I quit WoW because they were making so many in game items that I couldn't get without paying for them. From what I understand, you can trade kronos for in game items that have dropped but they aren't physically summoning you Vulak loot because you gave them twenty bucks.

You are correct. You don't open a shop window and buy a Vulak robe. Krono is essentially an ingame item that you can right click to add 30 days to your sub. It has an ingame value just like any other item and is bought/traded/sold just like a fungi tunic or whatever else. That's the only thing u can spend RL $ on. That and cosmetic bullshit in the store that changes your pet appearance and other crap.

[entruil]

bought/traded/sold just like a fungi tunic or whatever else. That's the only thing u can spend RL $ on.

[jcr4990]

Another thing to remember you can only buy droppables. Anyone that knows EQ knows all the best shit is no drop anyway and that's even more true the more expansions that come out.

[Freakish]

That's not true. I can sure as hell say I'll give you 5 kronos if you let me loot a vindi BP.

[Ravager]

That's not true. I can sure as hell say I'll give you 5 kronos if you let me loot a vindi BP.

Give me 5 kronos and I'll let you loot all of the vindi BPs you can find.

[entruil]

I am sure as hell glad i couldn't farm my subscriptions back in the day.

[jcr4990]

I am sure as hell glad i couldn't farm my subscriptions back in the day.

Me too I hate having options

Are you guys aware that RMT was rampant in classic on live? Esp before ebay started cracking down? Which wasn't til like late Velious? Are you aware that RMT has been rampant on every EQ server that's ever existed since day one? Do you know that it happens daily on P99?

Seems like none of are aware of any of this. Sorry to be the one to break the bad news.

[jcr4990]

Fun fact: We're less than 100 posts away from beating Swish's dumb gif thread and becoming biggest thread on RNF

[BigLe2e]

99 posts on the wall, 99 posts on the wall...

[entruil]

Sorry to be the one to break the bad news.

Yea... I was speaking in regards to myself as a youngin'.

The kronos idea works to deprive third-party entities from making money off the creators IP. I am all for that(if i made it).

Also, the idea of Time vs Money, adding on the familiarity of the matter involved.

Just depends on what you want out of your experience.

[Raev]

gif thread has 4x as many views tho

[bdastomper58]

i'm doing my part

[big_ole_jpn]

Krono is an item you can freely exchange for plat to purchase any droppable in the game or exchange for loot rights. Any item or favor in the game is the only thing u can spend RL $ on.

[Kushie]

1 krono is a 30 day game subscription. Krono sell for 5kpp, easy to farm. There is no reason to buy them with cash level 46+ unless you're lazy.

I bought a fungi tunic and staff at level 23 on Phinigel for 30-40 bucks. It helped but it certainly wasn't OP for leveling as a group exp bard. I spent RL money on dumb novelty shit and exp potions.

Despite our tremendous success on Phinigel, Kushie has not gotten any Vulak or AoW loot. A tragedy.

[Sodors Finest Poster]

Eww, Luclin models required to play on Phinigel!

[Ravager]

3 months have been spent arguing about which is the better way to waste your time...

[LostCause]

Eww, Luclin models required to play on Phinigel!

no it isn't ...

[LostCause]

even back when luclin released i didn't use new models shroud of undeath and free aa horse ftw.


new skel model can ride horse hence no need for new models


go farm some golems and get yourself a AoN (with instances should be no problem)

[Daldaen]

From Luclin through PoP you could also exploit a bug regarding horses and old models.

If you were using old models, you could click your horse and get the horse buff, which would also make an invisible solid "bump" wherever you summoned it... Which was fun for messing with tanks trying to corner tank.

You wouldn't gain the speed increase on the horse (nor would you suffer from the scaling up speed when starting to move), but you would gain the ability to stand and meditate. Basically the best aspect of the horse unless you had the AA knight horse or the Seru/Emp horse.

[Sodors Finest Poster]

Do you think they will launch a new true-box progression server once this one dies due to later expansions ruining the game?

[Sodors Finest Poster]

Will moving to Phinny allow me more time to spend with my family?

http://i.imgur.com/0wxffsf.jpg

[big_ole_jpn]

1 krono is a 30 day game subscription. Krono sell for 5kpp, easy to farm. There is no reason to buy them with cash level 46+ unless you're lazy.

...or converting a large number of them into platinum. You're not actually this dense, are you? The value of each Krono is meaningless; what is important is that you can convert USD to plat.


I bought a fungi tunic and staff at level 23 on Phinigel for 30-40 bucks. It helped but it certainly wasn't OP for leveling as a group exp bard. I spent RL money on dumb novelty shit and exp potions.

Sounds just fucking awful. Exp potions, yikes -- why would anyone play a game that admits a large part of its gameplay is something you would pay money to skip? Was EQ ever fun for you or was it a sickness from day 1?

[jcr4990]

what is important is that you can convert USD to plat

You can do that on every everquest server that has ever existed or will ever exist

[Kushie]

The best part about Phinigel is it isn't p99.

[Nirgon]

The best part about Phinigel is it isn't p99.

http://i.imgur.com/XDSEFlV.png


da air horn go BEW BEW BEW BEWWWWWW

[Spyder73]

I feel like there is a weird meta game going on here on who can pile up the biggest pile of sh!t in post count. Lots of low quality low effort posts - mainly from Kushie and Chest (not surprised at all). Trollolololol is at least trying occasionally.

Anyways - BDA members are gay, dumb, boring, ect, ect, insert rotation death joke, insert Fedora GiF, Hail Satan, Death to BDA, ect, ect

[radditsu]

I like chest

[Ravager]

I feel like there is a weird meta game going on here on who can pile up the biggest pile of sh!t in post count. Lots of low quality low effort posts - mainly from Kushie and Chest (not surprised at all). Trollolololol is at least trying occasionally.

Anyways - BDA members are gay, dumb, boring, ect, ect, insert rotation death joke, insert Fedora GiF, Hail Satan, Death to BDA, ect, ect

Whoa, whoa, whoa... you're setting the bar way too high.

[Hoozi]

I feel like there is a weird meta game going on here on who can pile up the biggest pile of sh!t in post count.

There is, and you're winning.

[Spyder73]

There is, and you're winning.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=241907

Not even top ten bro - try again

[Detoxx]

Jesus Christ Trolololoser, 358 posts? Fuck...

[jcr4990]

Jesus Christ Trolololoser, 358 posts? Fuck...

http://i.imgur.com/CMoKAfi.jpg

[Kushie]

Detoxx calling someone else a loser is hilarious.

Phinigel has 150% exp this weekend. Who doesn't like exp bonuses?

[AzzarTheGod]

Jesus Christ Trolololoser, 358 posts? Fuck...

wow strong pot kettle.

[captain]

is BDA even getting any server firsts on phini? Sorry for going back on topic

[Kushie]

Server first virginity lost.

[Kushie]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2339385#post2339385 lol p99

[Raev]

Detoxx calling someone else a loser is hilarious.

Phinigel has 150% exp this weekend. Who doesn't like exp bonuses?

some of us don't need to GM assistance in order to level

[Kushie]

It's not about needing, it's about convenience. Phinigel is conveniencequest.

[Kushie]

On p99 you are preassigned a mold. On Phinigel you get to pick what you fuck.


http://i.imgur.com/oI8mTH2.jpg

[jcr4990]

some of us don't need to GM assistance in order to level

Naw you just need GM assistance for raid disputes 30 times a week

Is "GM Assistance" really an argument against Phinigel you want to make while playing on P99? Are u sure? I don't think u wanna go down that road

[burkemi5]

"Some of us have lives" LOL good one.

[heyokah]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2339385#post2339385 lol p99

Fuckers are so jealous of the pre-set raid scheldule, and of course the success of BDA. Keep on banging your head against the wall on p99. This server contains some of the biggest dipshits on the internet. I mean, at this point it's literally a cesspool.

[jcr4990]

I'm just about to log on Phinny for my scheduled raid and acquire some pixels that I didn't have to track or pre-park/pre-buff my characters for. I also won't have to make sure I bring a DA idol so I can race for FTE or any of the other ridiculous things I had to do for a small chance at a raid target that might drop something good on P99.

http://i.imgur.com/rSp8Xq3.gif

[Freakish]

These updates are as repetitive as swish's Try Red speeches.

I'm just kinda angry this guy stuck a 3400 dragonite in a gym I can't take.

[Kushie]

Phara Dar down with no poopsock or petitions.


CONCEDE

[jcr4990]

Finally decided to do VP

http://i.imgur.com/ACxk3ep.jpg

[jcr4990]

Also got a Crown of Rile

[Raev]

These updates are as repetitive as swish's Try Red speeches.

I'm just kinda angry this guy stuck a 3400 dragonite in a gym I can't take.

The cognitive dissonance between the posters in this thread is so great that this thread will continue until Phinny implodes post POP and BDA returns to a Project 1999 that has finally cooled down after 2-3 years of poopsocking in Velious. The ironic thing is that if BDA can actually beat Planes of Power they might be a decent guild . . . .

[big_ole_jpn]

http://i.imgur.com/ACxk3ep.jpg

your character is named moardots

[Bruno]

Jesus Christ Trolololoser, 358 posts? Fuck...

Getting called a loser by the biggest waste of life in the community is an achievement.

[Kushie]

Getting called a loser by the biggest waste of life in the community is an achievement.

This guy gets it. CONCEDE

[jcr4990]

The ironic thing is that if BDA can actually beat Planes of Power they might be a decent guild . . . .

We can and we are. I'll be here postin updates when the time comes.

We "couldn't hack it on P99" like people love to say cause we just plain didn't want to resort to the tactics required to "compete" if you can call it that. Those tactics being screensharing a facetracker and staring at a empty room for 16 hrs with 10+ people ready to race at any second and can't look away from the screen the entire time or u lose. Not to mention shit like spamming crown of rile to win races dunno if ppl are still doing that. They were when I played. All of that just for a chance to win the race on 10+ targets a week on a server that's going to be stuck on the same expansion FOREVER.

I'm honestly baffled that P99 staff hasn't done something to change how raiding works at this point. How bad does it have to get before something changes? The server could be sooooo much better and sooooo much healthier for everyone involved with some relatively minor tweaks but nobody capable of making those changes is interested in fixing it. Even the vast majority of A/A think the raid scene sucks but they make the most of it cause they got the pixel sickness and will put up with anything just to get their fix. It's really sad honestly.

[Kriven]

from a neutral perspective you seemed to be fine competing as long as you were winning and dominating the minnow casual guilds. did it get "too competitive"?

[burkemi5]

How are you supposed to get FTE from a race from the front of ToV to some of the dragons in the back of ntov? There's a ton of trash in the way that will rape you.

[Sodors Finest Poster]

Posting in this thread is like the p99 raid scene. But yet your still bashing your head to the wall (keyboard) to try to make your point.

http://i.imgur.com/25mWDW9.jpg

[arsenalpow]

I think the lungi is a cool look http://m.imgur.com/djZiinK

[Ravager]

from a neutral perspective you seemed to be fine competing as long as you were winning and dominating the minnow casual guilds. did it get "too competitive"?
If this is neutral, what does it look like when you take sides?

[nhdjoseywales]

i main changed to a rogue a month ago and already have vulak and tunare daggers and am number one rogue on server for raw hp (with a confirmed magelo of course). why the fuck does anyone still play on this shithole?

[nhdjoseywales]

The cognitive dissonance between the posters in this thread is so great that this thread will continue until Phinny implodes post POP and BDA returns to a Project 1999 that has finally cooled down after 2-3 years of poopsocking in Velious. The ironic thing is that if BDA can actually beat Planes of Power they might be a decent guild . . . .

why would Phinny implode? GoD and OoW will be instanced so there will be plenty of people completing the content. When the game is actually about killing mobs and not who can piss in a bottle the longest to fte a 36 hour variance mob, you might be surprised how many people participate.