BDA to Phinigel

[nhdjoseywales]

What aug'd weapons might look like......

[Bruno]

I was going to check this out. Got it all downloaded and everything. I even logged in to server select, but saw no Phinny. I find it telling though that after how many times it's been asked, NOBODY has been willing to address this very simple question...

It's not worth addressing. It's a non-issue. Nobody gives a shit about buying ornamentation slots.

[burkemi5]

It's not worth addressing. It's a non-issue. Nobody gives a shit about buying ornamentation slots.

It's been addressed in this thread before. Granted this thread is long as hell now, but most of the people who've been following along should know that already. They're just trying (and succeeding) to be dumbasses.

[Spyder73]

It's not a classic server moron.

This is not an unclassic forum moroon

[Swish]

What aug'd weapons might look like......

Can't beat CLASSIC skeletons, loving me some CLASSIC EverQuest on P99

[Spyder73]

Can't beat CLASSIC skeletons, loving me some CLASSIC EverQuest on P99

But Swish, what about cats on the moon, PoK portals, instanced raiding with no sense of accomplishment, bazar, and the bastardization of a once beloved game through micro transactions and RMT? On this CLASSIC forum I keep reading about these things, so they must be CLASSIC as well?

[Swish]

But Swish, what about cats on the moon, PoK portals, instanced raiding with no sense of accomplishment, bazar, and the bastardization of a once beloved game through micro transactions and RMT? On this CLASSIC forum I keep reading about these things, so they must be CLASSIC as well?

There won't be a Luclin on this CLASSIC box, we all know that. If it does happen it'll be done better than the Daybreak staff could manage on their shoestring budget.

[nhdjoseywales]

I think its amusing that it bugs you dicklicks so much that we are having a blast on phinny. no one gives two fucks what you say, think, or care about. no one gives two fucks what is classic or not classic, the only question is "is it fun?" and the overwhelming answer is yes it is, so go fondle each others balls some more and pretend we give a fuck

[Spyder73]

I think its amusing that it bugs you dicklicks so much that we are having a blast on phinny. no one gives two fucks what you say, think, or care about. no one gives two fucks what is classic or not classic, the only question is "is it fun?" and the overwhelming answer is yes it is, so go fondle each others balls some more and pretend we give a fuck

Sorry that people like to talk about Project 1999 on the official Project 1999 forum. F#cking weird right? If I wanted updates on what you think is fun then I would become friends with you and we would form a relationship. As it turns out I wish to form no such bond.

[Ravager]

Shits classic though, unlike kronos and cash shops
Swish has to be the biggest ungrateful ass on these forums. He comes here to enjoy Daybreak's intellectual property, for free, and then he shames anyone who supports the company for paying for its services. Real class act this one.

[Swish]

Swish has to be the biggest ungrateful ass on these forums. He comes here to enjoy Daybreak's intellectual property, for free, and then he shames anyone who supports the company for paying for its services. Real class act this one.

You seem to be following me around the forums today while having another temper tantrum.

[Ravager]

You seem to be following me around the forums today while having another temper tantrum.
So nothing to say about your being an ingrate? Typical Swish fashion, deflect or ignore whenever someone challenges him. But that's to be expected from someone who argues with zero substance. :o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o

[Spyder73]

P99 and EQ Live are a lot like Michael Jackson.

A once beautiful singer songwriter turned drug addled child molester, EQ Live is a Frankenstein of a game that should have been put to sleep long ago.

[khysanth]

nice CLASSIC variance you got here. nice CLASSIC un-rooted raid mobs pulled to zone in. nice CLASSIC soulfires and mallets and socks of poo

[Bruno]

You seem to be following me around the forums today while having another temper tantrum.

Hard to avoid you when you insert yourself into every page of everything thread.

[nhdjoseywales]

Hard to avoid you when you insert yourself into every page of everything thread.

There is a solution, i finally exercised it, feels better already.

[Izmael]

Another day stuck in Velious.

Another day full of win.

feelsgoodman.jpg

[burkemi5]

There really is no point in arguing over which is better than the other. Both sides have their minds made up pretty damn solidly and will never budge. It'd be like going into the off-topic forum and trying to convince Daywolf to vote for Hilldog.

Regardless, fuck infinite Velious, gimme Luclin+.

[Spyder73]

Love Velious. Retard GMs and poopsock galore. SIGN ME THE FUCK UP.

Please ban for GM bashing/general cuckery

[Bruno]

There is a solution, i finally exercised it, feels better already.

Yea, I probably should have put him on the ignore list a long time ago. He might be the only person currently on it.

[radda]

Not talking about this server.

Thx 4 comment

Cuck
Yes you were

I like p99, I also like takproject, and I don't like giving Sony or daybreak any more money.
Phinny will be over and those players who say they'd be done will just want to play again. Glad my characters will always be on emu servers.
At least as far as I know

[AzzarTheGod]

nice CLASSIC variance you got here. nice CLASSIC un-rooted raid mobs pulled to zone in. nice CLASSIC soulfires and mallets and socks of poo

Hella dunks on the sock shitbox right here

[skarlorn]

Joke is on you.

I have never bought anything from a player outside of my guild

[thufir]

Yea, I probably should have put him on the ignore list a long time ago. He might be the only person currently on it.
super surprised that there are people that don't have Swish on ignore. his posts aren't funny or informative, always just whining or bad, inapplicable advice.

[AzzarTheGod]

super surprised that there are people that don't have Swish on ignore. his posts aren't funny or informative, always just whining or bad, inapplicable advice.

How do you feel about dikembe?

[radda]

if you like that server do yourself a favor and make sure you redact its name from posts here. it has gotten all the attention here that it needs, ppl who like EQ all already kno and ppl who are in it for the skinner box effect already ignored it to "achieve" elsewhere.

Don't need it on the radar here when Phinny starts losing mass players or a blue raider guild collapses.
How bout no?

[radda]

Considering not every one knows.
Why no radar?
Who are you?
Do yourself a favor and post on server forums actually play on.

[skarlorn]

big j fighting 2 save the box while these haters go unbanned

[AzzarTheGod]

this radda is very intriguing to me. I picture hes a real pokemon irl that can post and semi-interact with actual real people.

its very interesting. the possibility that hes a pokemon that can post is very interesting to me.

[AzzarTheGod]

Look at this specimen posting in the wild big J https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2384513&postcount=23

Very intriguing behavior and pattern. Im going to continue to examine it and perhaps even capture it.

[skarlorn]

you've gotten better at trumpspeak! (52)

[paulgiamatti]

nice CLASSIC soulfires and mallets and socks of poo

Sorry, but someone has to say it: shit's classic.

[radda]

I just cant hold my tongue sometimes.
Can't capture this

[radda]

seems about right

All is good then

[AzzarTheGod]

you've gotten better at trumpspeak! (52)

Should I hone this craft? What benefits do you think something like this has? What can I do with this trade skill in the real world?

How long will this trade skill remain relevant? These are all good questions. These are all good questions, Sean. And someone has to be asking them.

[Bruno]

Why do you even post in this thread then? How does this actually bother you?

This message was hidden because Swish is on your ignore list.

[arsenalpow]

Real solid forumquesting decision imo

[entruil]

Pure nostalgia, but, if I run a level 10 druid to Umbral and park him at safe valley... are you going to kite me some elysium!?

[entruil]

Pure nostalgia, but, if I run a level 10 druid to Umbral and park him at safe valley... are you going to kite me some elysium!?

shout out to Yyaboo and Whomeez lol... good times...

[khysanth]

closing in fast on page 400/post 4000

[khysanth]

^ u got baited m8

[arsenalpow]

I met a really cool BDA member yesterday (obviously not Chest) helped me a little at dsp shard camp and we chatted.

I'm cool, I'm hip, I'm with it...

[Murri]

http://i.imgur.com/mpUUZg7.png Anyone fashion questing with this?

[skarlorn]

I'm cool, I'm hip, I'm with it...

Chest ur a real sweet heart but u r definitely not the coolest guy out there nawmean. Kind of a stiff even if you're being nice. It's just not ur character strength. Stick to pissin off nerds

[Ravager]

I'm cool, I'm hip, I'm with it...
Tucka tucka tucka tucka tucka tucka tucka tucka tucka - hoah.

[arsenalpow]

Chest ur a real sweet heart but u r definitely not the coolest guy out there nawmean. Kind of a stiff even if you're being nice. It's just not ur character strength. Stick to pissin off nerds

Shutupfilbus

[Ella`Ella]

I'm cool, I'm hip, I'm with it...

You don't lift and Corgi's are feminine.

[arsenalpow]

Corgis one of the manliest dog breeds, don't get it twisted

[skarlorn]

exactly you're doing well

[Speedling]

Wow. Grats on the pixels chest.

Got to level 35 yesterday. 5 more levels til I can leach off AA groups!

When PoP comes out, we can duo Saryrn.

[indiscriminate_hater]

mods can you please release the list of which forum users voted on this thread, and how many stars they chose?

[Daldaen]

When PoP comes out, we can duo Saryrn.

Lololololol hi LoH!

God damn I wanted that FT3 Cloak on my bard so bad. I think you let me take the Saryrn cleric 1hb before you realized what a good Fashionquest item that was. Thanks for that!

Ah the joys of a well placed cleric bot allowing you to skip tons of trash mobs. PoP was great. I'm looking forward to it.

Got level 36 last night. It's definitely slowing down a bit in the leveling department but I also haven't had much time to get on and play. I'm hoping to get level 40 this weekend.

[big_ole_jpn]

Lololololol hi LoH!

God damn I wanted that FT3 Cloak on my bard so bad. I think you let me take the Saryrn cleric 1hb before you realized what a good Fashionquest item that was. Thanks for that!

Ah the joys of a well placed cleric bot allowing you to skip tons of trash mobs. PoP was great. I'm looking forward to it.

Got level 36 last night. It's definitely slowing down a bit in the leveling department but I also haven't had much time to get on and play. I'm hoping to get level 40 this weekend.

YIKES

[Spyder73]

this cuck jut caused me to cringe off a cliff.

I would very much like to see you fall off a cliff

[nhdjoseywales]

Are you the guy that cried and made a thread because a GM wouldn't give you a surname?

yes he is

[Raev]

Just shy of 840K hp. Did an 834k backstab using daggerthrust, which took her to single digits. Did about another 6k in damage before she died. No adds spawned, she never even managed to get turned around.

cringing extremely hard

[Kushie]

Gentle reminder: Spyder73 is a little bitch

[thufir]

Are you the guy that cried and made a thread because a GM wouldn't give you a surname?

this statement implies that a) he stopped crying about his surname and b) he only made 1 thread about it

not sure if both those things are true but I suspect they are not

[AzzarTheGod]

cringing extremely hard

yikes cringe mudflation. Makes WoW look saintly in comparison.

900k backstab. cringe.

[Champion_Standing]

This is the single worst thread in the history of the internet. You should all be ashamed.

[khysanth]

posting in an historic (worst thread in history) thread

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

posting in an historic (worst thread in history) thread

Don't say bad things about this thread. I'm only warning you once.
http://i.imgur.com/gmRfY.jpg

[skarlorn]

I wonder how often chest and the rest of bda talk in vent about how they are good raiders, after all. how p99 is just a toxic shitshow corruptgm tmo scum tmo 2.0 tmo 3.0 tmo 5.0 rampage aftermath detooxx foghat FTE spam autofiring voice modding dudes playing high elf chicks named catherin sick and how bda has proven here (on phinny) to have real mettle, real metal in their guts, as they meddle with the dank instance zones (no pressure cool it back yawl, no pressure here we have all the time we need to set up but we're still awesome at the game lol) oh dear lawdy mitigation of the Mighty so stronk oh my lordy its so balancio'd here my friends and p99 is sh!t cuckery but here we are mighty, proud elf lords and ladies who have truly proven our skill as raiders to the point where we had to leave our favorite server and become exiles in the undesirable kingdom of rampant RMT and BUy Now BUttons

[Relbaic]

This is the single worst thread in the history of the internet. You should all be ashamed.

We haven't even got to the best 3 expansions yet. This will easily reach 1000 pages!

[Kushie]

P99 needs BDA

[Bruno]

Don't say bad things about this thread. I'm only warning you once.
http://i.imgur.com/gmRfY.jpg

Techno viking throwback.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb3SyZXzBOA

[Susano]

I wonder how often chest and the rest of bda talk in vent about how they are good raiders, after all. how p99 is just a toxic shitshow corruptgm tmo scum tmo 2.0 tmo 3.0 tmo 5.0 rampage aftermath detooxx foghat FTE spam autofiring voice modding dudes playing high elf chicks named catherin sick and how bda has proven here (on phinny) to have real mettle, real metal in their guts, as they meddle with the dank instance zones (no pressure cool it back yawl, no pressure here we have all the time we need to set up but we're still awesome at the game lol) oh dear lawdy mitigation of the Mighty so stronk oh my lordy its so balancio'd here my friends and p99 is sh!t cuckery but here we are mighty, proud elf lords and ladies who have truly proven our skill as raiders to the point where we had to leave our favorite server and become exiles in the undesirable kingdom of rampant RMT and BUy Now BUttons

As someone who ruled Velious on P99 with an iron fist when it released I can say without a doubt that Phinny is a much better experience on the whole. I'm convinced most of the people posting about how much better P99 is don't even play the game anymore.

Keep lying to yourselves, I'm sorry none of you have friends to help you transition to Phinny and experience content the way it was classically intended, not FTE'd, left to sit for an hour, then pulled to the zoneline and killed.

[colicab]

As someone who ruled Velious on P99 with an iron fist when it released I can say without a doubt that Phinny is a much better experience on the whole. I'm convinced most of the people posting about how much better P99 is don't even play the game anymore.

Keep lying to yourselves, I'm sorry none of you have friends to help you transition to Phinny and experience content the way it was classically intended, not FTE'd, left to sit for an hour, then pulled to the zoneline and killed.


http://i.imgur.com/T8SNDUC.gif

[Hoozi]

Keep lying to yourselves, I'm sorry none of you have friends to help you transition to Phinny and experience content the way it was classically intended, not FTE'd, left to sit for an hour, then pulled to the zoneline and killed.

Wait what? I was told Lawyerquest was fun!

It boggles my mind that people find this p99 raid scene fun anymore. If it requires a book of raid rules and various "lawyers" to interpret and defend against them, including presenting previous rulings as "evidence" that you did not break a rule after your entire guild got suspended from raiding (LOL).... you should reconsider what fun is.

As for me, I'll continue to enjoy raiding on Phinigel without worrying about getting "reported" for leaving the starting line with selos on or whatever other rule I might possibly have broken inadvertently.

The P99 raid scene is pretty damn toxic, and no where near "classic". So yeah, keep lying to yourselves.

[nicemace]

As someone who ruled Velious on P99 with an iron fist when it released I can say without a doubt that Phinny is a much better experience on the whole. I'm convinced most of the people posting about how much better P99 is don't even play the game anymore.

Keep lying to yourselves, I'm sorry none of you have friends to help you transition to Phinny and experience content the way it was classically intended, not FTE'd, left to sit for an hour, then pulled to the zoneline and killed.

can confirm. was in ramp too. phinny 1000000x better raiding.

[radda]

...

[Bruno]

No longer a member of BDA and thus will be unable to provide BDA updates. However fret not. I will still provide Phinigel updates and continue to tell you all how dumb you are for preferring to poop in socks for pixels.

Can't tell if troll to boost ratings.

Where you off to? Please don't say OGC.

[skarlorn]

No longer a member of BDA and thus will be unable to provide BDA updates. However fret not. I will still provide Phinigel updates and continue to tell you all how dumb you are for preferring to poop in socks for pixels.

why'd you get kicked?

and did you give back any items?

[Bruno]

We need moardetails on this falling out to get 420.

[Troubled]

We need moardetails on this falling out to get 420.

His forum quest was lacking, thus he was booted to make room for new guns.

[AzzarTheGod]

His forum quest was lacking, thus he was booted to make room for new guns.

lol if this was cited as a reason by chest it wouldn't surprise me.

[AzzarTheGod]

idk I feel u were one of BDA's top soldiers. you really went hard for them, protected them from Swish's vicious attacks.

can we get an official comment from leadership on the jcr4990 departure?

[radda]

When phinny ends, are you going to join the next server?
Or wait for them to never let you transfer your chars to live?
or are you going to quit eq for good?

if you are still here, you are never leaving unless your life really is shit.
So I prefer to have my chars "forever"

[sirelothar]

idk I feel u were one of BDA's top soldiers. you really went hard for them, protected them from Swish's vicious attacks.

can we get an official comment from leadership on the jcr4990 departure?

Zero fucks given, he gave a reason for moving on, why make anything more of it? We broke into VT with 4 grps today and got some phat lewts. Will do a bigger clear on thursday. http://imgur.com/a/i7C5M

[Izmael]

VT? Ouch, feel your pain.

*pats on the back*

[Raev]

I only really got rot status or very low priority loot so there's nothin really to give back.
BDA is still doing that 'all your loot is actually on loan' idiocy? Looks like the loot council corruption is alive and well on Phinigel as well . . .

An interesting sidenote: The "hardcore" guild that I joined only has 3 official raid days per week and the "casual" BDA has 4 or 5 official and 2-3 unofficial raids days almost every week. But everyone goes ballistic when I say BDA isn't really a casual guild. I'll never understand that one.
I've been saying for years that BDA isn't a casual guild, just a bad one.

[arsenalpow]

Troll hadn't logged in since our first Vulak kill when he was denied a robe because we prioritized clerics. He rerolled to join OGC.

[Caiu]

lol
consider shitting in socks for a more stable raid experience

[Troubled]

Yup that's it. Denied 1 Vulak robe and rerolled to join OGC cause I'm a loot whore. Can't say I didn't predict that this would be the narrative you'd go with but it still makes me a little sad if that's what you truly think. I can just hear BDA vent now. Just like all those other times ANYONE left BDA for ANY reason. Nonstop trash talking of former high playtime high contributing well liked (Well.. Mostly) members.

Don't know why I thought my departure would be any different than everyone elses :rolleyes:

At least your posts will no longer reflect poorly on BDA's sterling reputation.

[arsenalpow]

Yup that's it. Denied 1 Vulak robe and rerolled to join OGC cause I'm a loot whore. Can't say I didn't predict that this would be the narrative you'd go with but it still makes me a little sad if that's what you truly think. I can just hear BDA vent now. Just like all those other times ANYONE left BDA for ANY reason. Nonstop trash talking of former high playtime high contributing well liked (Well.. Mostly) members.

Don't know why I thought my departure would be any different than everyone elses :rolleyes:

It's not a narrative. You didn't get your Vulak robe and then you decided it wasn't worth it. I'm not mad, it was just your decision. Better luck in OGC.

[Oleris]

Stupid half lock outs. Guild was going back to Thurs/Sunday schedule, now Tuesday with VT is back for 2 more weeks :*(

[burkemi5]

Sounds like decay pea could have solved these problems.

[skarlorn]

Don't know why I thought my departure would be any different than everyone elses :rolleyes:

Yeah, the bda internal spinmachine is truly something else brother. Leave the Chest team and get the black mark. Things were better when the guild was run by the more balanced, normal, cool Sadad (that was back when BDA was actually server good guys)

At least your posts will no longer reflect poorly on BDA's sterling reputation.

Nice one here trouble, great post.

It's funny, I don't think anyone has pointed out in 400+ pages of garbage how big of a hypocrite Chest is. And it's not about being casual (cause everyone know BDA isn't casual, they have high raid attendance and you get kicked if you don't attend a raid), and it's not about rotations.

It's about splintering off from BDA. For years Chest has bitched and moaned about how FE split off, how Omni split off... if only those people had stayed, BDA would have been able to do whatever content they wanted! THEY are the problem. THEY are the enemy. Because THEY left BDA to go try things a different way.

And here we see Chest, hypocrite Prime. He fucking SPLINTERS his own guild and leaves a husk of Bregan D'Aerth on P99. I didn't realize this until I ran into a cool member of BDA, Xiek (Xaine). I was chatting with him and realized he and others of p99 BDA are still working hard trying to resuscitate the guild tag that they have been in for YEARS and still love to be a part of.

so, good going chest. You're just as shitty a person as Unbrella, Cloki, Gats, and anyone you have badmouthed about "weakening BDA." You fuckin abandoned your own house kiddo

[khysanth]

thx for chest update

[Troubled]

He fucking SPLINTERS his own guild and leaves a husk of Bregan D'Aerth on P99. I didn't realize this until I ran into a cool member of BDA, Xiek (Xaine). I was chatting with him and realized he and others of p99 BDA are still working hard trying to resuscitate the guild tag that they have been in for YEARS and still love to be a part of.


Xaine, while cool and all, was a preacher of competition, which he never took part in to my witness. Maybe he thought that the early bird gets the worm, but he wasn't an early bird by any stretch.

Sure, anyone can have a hungry mouth, but most people aren't the mommas that feed.

[Troubled]

On splintering, I think one was coercion/illusion and one was an inevitable evolution and most people should be smart enough to figure out which was which.

[skarlorn]

one was an inevitable evolution.

I'm sure this is the rhetoric that was preached within FE and Omni as well

[fastboy21]

Its instanced EQ, nobody cares if you switch guilds (except for the truly insane).

[Bruno]

More loot council lols. Will never do that bullshit again.

[AzzarTheGod]

thx for chest update

Didn't see any chest update.

How many AA's does he have?

[Raev]

Pure loot council without any sort of attendance metrics is just a terrible idea.

[skarlorn]

why does anyone in bda still think loot council is a good idea? honestly askin here, ty

[Ella`Ella]

How many AA's does he have?

He's been in and out of AA a couple times now.

Chest RockBottom

[Bruno]

why does anyone in bda still think loot council is a good idea? honestly askin here, ty

It's a good idea for anyone that's benefitting from it.

[Relbaic]

why does anyone in bda still think loot council is a good idea? honestly askin here, ty

Because i enjoy playing with my pals and don't really give a shit abour gear. It's amazing that people actually think they need items to feel accomplished. Rolled in to VT last night with 27 other dudes, didn't get shit and don't care, it was a blast.

Obviously baited.

[Pokesan]

whoda thunk jcr was the type to get super butthurt about pixels

[nhdjoseywales]

Yup that's it. Denied 1 Vulak robe and rerolled to join OGC cause I'm a loot whore. Can't say I didn't predict that this would be the narrative you'd go with but it still makes me a little sad if that's what you truly think. I can just hear BDA vent now. Just like all those other times ANYONE left BDA for ANY reason. Nonstop trash talking of former high playtime high contributing well liked (Well.. Mostly) members.

Don't know why I thought my departure would be any different than everyone elses :rolleyes:

Damn OGC Scum.

[AzzarTheGod]

There's nothing wrong with that if you don't care about items or advancing your character. For many many people that's one of the primary objectives of the game and a huge part of the fun. I can see both sides I don't know why everyone can't. Kinda shitty to belittle them for getting enjoyment out of character advancement but it happens all the time. Even shittier to repeatedly deny them their fun so that officers/clerics/tanks or whoever else is deemed "more important" can get their 5th BiS item.

Just my 2cp feel free to disagree.

Alright. I get that. Those are all anti-loot council talking points. You knew going in that BDA is a loot council guild.

Really nobody saw this coming. You were one of BDA's fiercest and most feared enforcers in the community.

Funny what a robe can do to a man I guess.

Or is this really about the lack of streamed raids? You can be honest now. No guild tag holding you back.

Shoot.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Too bad. Pretty sure trolol joined BDA same time I did. But just goes to show, you can't trust people who practice Sprechstimme
http://i.imgur.com/2dySlMK.gif

[Bruno]

It's about a lot more than just a Vulak robe. The Vulak robe was the straw that broke the camels back. But it depends who's side of the story you decide to listen to. I had received nothing but rot loot the entire time I raided with BDA on Phinny (And didn't do much better on P99 either) Maybe 1 item I got had 1 other person that wanted it but was a new member or something. I don't have access to loot records to check anymore. But I got NOTHING that was a high value item by any stretch. I desperately wanted a Vulak robe and was very public about it. My Necro to this day is wearing a Tola robe. When it dropped I sent Chest a tell vowing that if I was awarded the robe I wouldn't utter the letters "DKP" for 3 months. This is a big deal. Robe was awarded to a cleric officer who at the time already had 3 highly desired BiS items and used vulak robe to replace a raid drop chestpiece they already had. I took my Tola robe and 88% raid attendance and logged the fuck off.

The "We have to give all the best loot to warriors/clerics to progress!" excuse was valid for the first month or so. Once the hardest raid targets in the game are on farm status being tanked by our least geared warriors and clerics ending the fight with mana to spare. I don't think that excuse is valid anymore.

Again my 2cp

We're like 50 dwarves deep. Our clerics don't need Vulak robes. We abuse the shit out of our necros though. If it weren't for them we would really struggle.

[Bruno]

I'm sure you've said previously but I can't recall. What guild did you say you were in? What class you main? Not that it matters just curious is all.

DBC. I main a dwarf cleric.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

It's about a lot more than just a Vulak robe. The Vulak robe was the straw that broke the camels back. But it depends who's side of the story you decide to listen to. I had received nothing but rot loot the entire time I raided with BDA on Phinny (And didn't do much better on P99 either) Maybe 1 item I got had 1 other person that wanted it but was a new member or something. I don't have access to loot records to check anymore. But I got NOTHING that was a high value item by any stretch. I desperately wanted a Vulak robe and was very public about it. My Necro to this day is wearing a Tola robe. When it dropped I sent Chest a tell vowing that if I was awarded the robe I wouldn't utter the letters "DKP" for 3 months. This is a big deal. Robe was awarded to a cleric officer who at the time already had 3 highly desired BiS items and used vulak robe to replace a raid drop chestpiece they already had. I took my Tola robe and 88% raid attendance and logged the fuck off.

The "We have to give all the best loot to warriors/clerics to progress!" excuse was valid for the first month or so. Once the hardest raid targets in the game are on farm status being tanked by our least geared warriors and clerics ending the fight with mana to spare. I don't think that excuse is valid anymore.

Again my 2cp

I got second talisman of vah kerrath on quellious during live, after the MT for guild got the official default first drop. I got it by a) ruthless attendance and b) ruthless tells to officers for weeks, I want the second talisman. plus, c) I had top DKP.

Oh, and d) not ever acting like I was owed any loots, for months. I was an enchanter, stuff to me was all just basically gilding the lilly, rite? But I did covet that Talisman.

Maybe you started to act a wee bit too entitled? I would argue, necro> chanter in these eras on raids, but you gotta be delicate about this shit. Even a good dkp guild will be smart about first drops. And second and third. But BDA is bit DKP, so there is that. Moving to a dkp guild will provide momentary relief, but unless you are stupid, you have to realize, it will take you months to get inside a high end guild that even does dkp. Unless Phinny starts to collapse, which lets face it, after PoP..... oh never mind,

[Bruno]

I'm already in a high end guild that uses DKP as an app. Trial period takes 30 days. I've yet to fail a guild application but who knows I guess? One of the members told me he went from basically 0 gear to best geared player of his class on the server in like 2 months. I don't expect to ever reach the best geared player of my class. Nor do I really want to. I just want something more than table scraps considering how much fucking effort I put into this god forsaken game. If that upsets anyone they can kick rocks.

Most people are full of shit when they tell you loot isn't at all important to them. Those people are in the very small minority. It's an important part of the game that makes it fun and it's completely ok to want to get more than table scraps. There are probably a lot of others that share the same sentiment but for their own reasons aren't as vocal about it. One is probably loot council.

[nicemace]

The myth about needing wars clerics geared to progress is non existent anymore. We aren't rolling with mis matched raids and no idea about raid mechanics like the old days. War undergeared ? Adjust ch timings. NO defensive war is getting 1 rounded. clerics running oom? It has nothing to do with FT. Do you know how many extra ch's you get per fight from having a bit of FT ? It's low. Duck better, get a mindrack group going and your clerics can go forever.

It's all just an excuse to hand out loot to their buddies.

Oh yeah totally got my emp shawl the other day. Best item of luclin?? Pretty much

[Raev]

Most people are full of shit when they tell you loot isn't at all important to them.
Agreed. If only because most people want to feel appreciated.

The myth about needing wars clerics geared to progress is non existent anymore.
Awarding gear was my least favorite part of being a guild leader and I definitely fucked up here and there. It's always tough to balance everything. And I was always a lot more interested in doing the content.

I got second talisman of vah kerrath on quellious during live, after the MT for guild got the official default first drop. I got it by a) ruthless attendance and b) ruthless tells to officers for weeks, I want the second talisman. plus, c) I had top DKP. Oh, and d) not ever acting like I was owed any loots, for months.
I'm curious how you managed b) and d) here simultaneously.

Also, isn't 4 groups really low for Luclin? Is there some sort of keying system there where BDA can't bring their entire force?

[Daldaen]

Ding level 46. Give me that sweet sweet KEI and raid pixels.

[Ravager]

It's fun to get good loot and it's a rewarding part of the game, but making that your primary objective is the difference between drinking on special occasions and having a dozen beers every day.

[Troubled]

It's fun to get good loot and it's a rewarding part of the game, but making that your primary objective is the difference between drinking on special occasions and having a dozen beers every day.

Every day is a special occasion.

[Man0warr]

Also, isn't 4 groups really low for Luclin? Is there some sort of keying system there where BDA can't bring their entire force?

DBG put in some event mid-week that halved lockout timers from 7 to 3.5 days. So we did an impromptu unofficial VT raid on a day that wouldn't impact the scheduled VT raid.

[Man0warr]

Most people are full of shit when they tell you loot isn't at all important to them. Those people are in the very small minority. It's an important part of the game that makes it fun and it's completely ok to want to get more than table scraps. There are probably a lot of others that share the same sentiment but for their own reasons aren't as vocal about it. One is probably loot council.

Everyone cares about loot. Most people in BDA just care more about the people they are playing with then how loot is awarded.

I'd prefer if BDA was DKP just so it was less stressful for officers but otherwise it's fine.

[derpcake]

Most people are full of shit when they tell you loot isn't at all important to them. Those people are in the very small minority. It's an important part of the game that makes it fun and it's completely ok to want to get more than table scraps. There are probably a lot of others that share the same sentiment but for their own reasons aren't as vocal about it. One is probably loot council.

i have a 60 shm on red, with raw hide legs .. i have kael leggings but never bothered with the faction .. i did bother with my epic, and have all of the faction & the tear .. but just don't care about completion at 60

what for anyway, to be more efficient at doing the stuff i was already doing? so i can solo a hard mob, which is a trivial duo?

[Erati]

so it was less stressful for officers but otherwise it's fine.

this is 100% why Taken changed from LC to DKP back in 2013. It felt great for members to not be able to point to officers specifically about loot choices.

Epic choices still tons of drama but at least every Sky raid didnt have loot QQ after the DKP switch, highly recommend.

[arsenalpow]

Haven't logged in since Wednesday. Spent my extended weekend entertaining someone. Eager to get back into the swing of things tonight.

[Daldaen]

AoN is good for using old models and horse. Also good for junk buff eating. Also good for illusioning through doors.

Other than that... Useless.

Gearing tanks for progression isn't a myth. It's just dependent on the expansion / server. It's possible it's not required on Phinigel due to the changes to game mechanics over the years.

But I will tell you 100% it was required to gear out your tanks when going from SoD -> Underfoot cause those raids were face beaters. Also on the recent Quarm server my guild gave almost all the gear to warriors and Knights. It was absolutely crucial going from crappy level 50 default gear into CoAnguish to kill OMM. Most of our casters got 1-2 pieces of gear to upgrade crucial focii, while most of the tanks picked up upgrades in every single slot.

It just depends on the jump in content you're making. I can see it not being a big deal for Phinigel though since everything is instanced and you can max your loot weekly in this era + all the game mechanics changes have made this content easier.

If they aren't dumb and release GoD individually, you may want to be putting a full Qvic set on a few warriors before pushing through Inkt'uta, Txevu and Tacvi, rather than just DKPing the Msha gear.

I'll be very interested to see what they do for Msha instancing... No way they'll make the instance be the same respawn as the statics.

[colicab]

Moardots is a loot whore. Meanwhile Chest has a Gharn's, Fist of Nature, and Fangs? I wonder what rags the other monks in BDA use. I was around BDA for a very short time but my experience is this.

Person A: leaves guild because of what they perceive as shadow council shenanigans. (probably right)
Officer B in mostly BiS: Person A was a loot whore, good riddance
Peanut Gallery: You go girl (Officer B), you are so right, Person A is a piece of shit.

Pleaseeee give me a break. I saw real quickly what that Shadow Council was all about.

Very shocking that a stand up and historic BDA supporter like Moardots got the shaft. Guess you didn't suck that Shadow Council d*ck enough.

[skarlorn]

Person A: leaves guild because of what they perceive as shadow council shenanigans. (probably right)
Officer B in mostly BiS: Person A was a loot whore, good riddance
Peanut Gallery: You go girl (Officer B), you are so right, Person A is a piece of shit.]

qft

[Juevento]

This x1000

We had a lvl 57 war with garbo leveling gear tank AoW for like 40% of the fight or something on our first kill. All the while saying how desperately our tanks needed gear and defaulting tons of shit to them so we can "progress". Never felt like that argument held very much weight. The best part of all is when all the tanks threw a hissy fit over AoN's cause they felt they should be defaulted AoN's as a "vital tanking tool" so they can shrink themselves. Ignoring the fact that tanking in corners isn't really required like it was on P99 so shrink is less important. Also ignoring the fact that every single one of them had cobalt bracers. But I still heard shit day after day after day about how I should give my AoN to the tanks cause they "need" it. I asked around other tanks in other raid guilds and they lol'd in my face when I asked if they thought AoN was vital to raid tanking.

/shrug

Loot whores gonna loot whore. Good riddance to yah.

[arsenalpow]

Moardots is a loot whore. Meanwhile Chest has a Gharn's, Fist of Nature, and Fangs? I wonder what rags the other monks in BDA use. I was around BDA for a very short time but my experience is this.

Person A: leaves guild because of what they perceive as shadow council shenanigans. (probably right)
Officer B in mostly BiS: Person A was a loot whore, good riddance
Peanut Gallery: You go girl (Officer B), you are so right, Person A is a piece of shit.

Pleaseeee give me a break. I saw real quickly what that Shadow Council was all about.

Very shocking that a stand up and historic BDA supporter like Moardots got the shaft. Guess you didn't suck that Shadow Council d*ck enough.

Every monk has at least a Tunare fist if not better. This is an entire non-issue. Moardots wanted something else so he left. It's just how it is. It's not propaganda that he was a super high attendance person, didn't get first dibs on the Vulak robe and then stopped logging in. Good luck in OGC, may you get the pixels you deserve.

As for stanky, we helped you get your epic and you dipped the next day to join up with heallun to farm epic MQs. Everyone has his or her own agenda. Mine revolves around the guild and progressing as a unit. Stanky's is to stack krono, moardots' is to get the pixels he deserves. To each their own. Luckily phinny lets each player do their own thing without being dictated by one or two guilds.

[Pokesan]

here comes the damage control batphone

[colicab]

Every monk has at least a Tunare fist if not better. This is an entire non-issue. Moardots wanted something else so he left. It's just how it is. It's not propaganda that he was a super high attendance person, didn't get first dibs on the Vulak robe and then stopped logging in. Good luck in OGC, may you get the pixels you deserve.

As for stanky, we helped you get your epic and you dipped the next day to join up with heallun to farm epic MQs. Everyone has his or her own agenda. Mine revolves around the guild and progressing as a unit. Stanky's is to stack krono, moardots' is to get the pixels he deserves. To each their own. Luckily phinny lets each player do their own thing without being dictated by one or two guilds.

That is what makes Phinny great, something for everyone! As for the people that did help me which I thanked profusely, I am quite sure most of them are no longer with BDA at this time. Wonder why.

With the amount of turnover, you may consider exit interviews.

[arsenalpow]

That is what makes Phinny great, something for everyone! As for the people that did help me which I thanked profusely, I am quite sure most of them are no longer with BDA at this time. Wonder why.

With the amount of turnover, you may consider exit interviews.

I think you're mistaken when it comes to turnover, we have very little.

[skarlorn]

What's your turn over rate

[iNteg]

I'm pretty sure I was the first to leave, and other than one other ranger I don't know many that bailed.

[Segemund]

All guilds have turnover. I've seen probably 2 people that were important to the guild leave. A couple ghost, but we're raiding with more now than we did in Velious.

[Daldaen]

When are you nerds doing another Kael raid? I want some raid boss faction hits so I can port into WL and CS and run around freely!

I offer superb Greater Healing capabilities of a 46 Druid to your raid.

[arsenalpow]

Off the record how much RMT do you think Heallun is up to on Phinny. Guy was a huge RMTer on blue do you think it transferred over?

who knows, but him and stanky's MQ business was at insane levels during velious

[colicab]

Off the record how much RMT do you think Heallun is up to on Phinny. Guy was a huge RMTer on blue do you think it transferred over?

Honestly, zero RMT. All Krono's earned by our group have been re-invested into our toons/twinks/boxes and various friends from p99 that needed a little boost at the start. We see Krono as another form of currency right above plat.

Turning your hobby into a money making scheme turns that hobby into work and therefore is no longer a hobby.

[colicab]

Honestly, zero RMT. All Krono's earned by our group have been re-invested into our toons/twinks/boxes and various friends from p99 that needed a little boost at the start. We see Krono as another form of currency right above plat.

Turning your hobby into a money making scheme turns that hobby into work and therefore is no longer a hobby.

We have had discussions about crossing over to the dark side but have all made a pact to not do it.

[Erati]

I had received nothing but rot loot the entire time I raided with BDA on Phinny (And didn't do much better on P99 either) Maybe 1 item I got had 1 other person that wanted it but was a new member or something.

But I still heard shit day after day after day about how I should give my AoN to the tanks cause they "need" it.


my AoN


Maybe 1 item I got had 1 other person that wanted it but was a new member or something.

The best part of all is when all the tanks threw a hissy fit over AoN's cause they felt they should be defaulted AoN's as a "vital tanking tool" so they can shrink themselves.

Which is it - you got only 'rot' items which the clearly the AoN is not or you were simply denied the 1 item of your dreams causing you to take your ball home.

Hi Chest and Stanky :P

[colicab]

Which is it - you got only 'rot' items which the clearly the AoN is not or you were simply denied the 1 item of your dreams causing you to take your ball home.

Hi Chest and Stanky :P

Hi Eratani! I hear you have a toon on Phinny? Making the jump with Dald? I could arrange the same pixel package <3.

[arsenalpow]

we random AoNs to full members because it's mainly a vanity thing, the joke is that tanks need AoNS because that's Anthrax said tanks need everything, it was never serious

[Daldaen]

Hi Eratani! I hear you have a toon on Phinny? Making the jump with Dald? I could arrange the same pixel package <3.

He is a total noob, it's pretty funny to listen to.

"Wait, what is this map thing?"
"How do I use the bazaar, do I have to walk through and inspect each vendor?"

[Legday]

I know precisely 0 people that have ever made money playing Phinny. I also know pretty much nobody that has spent more than ~$50 or so on the game. Pretty standard price for a video game and very cheap entertainment for a game a lot of us have been playing for months.

I may not be in BDA anymore. But I still think you're literally retarded.

Swish seems to have paid $0 for what appears to be 100% of the real estate in your brain.

Solid investment, imo.

[Erati]

Hi Eratani! I hear you have a toon on Phinny? Making the jump with Dald? I could arrange the same pixel package <3.

Dald is way more intense at EQ than I am hah I am still mega noob puttering around

Im pretty easy to find for mailing pixel packages however :P

[Segemund]

I know precisely 0 people that have ever made money playing Phinny. I also know pretty much nobody that has spent more than ~$50 or so on the game. Pretty standard price for a video game and very cheap entertainment for a game a lot of us have been playing for months.

I may not be in BDA anymore. But I still think you're literally retarded.


Confirmed AON's should never go to Necro's. 2 of the 3 are no longer in BDA. Give them to tanks or we riot. Definite tank loot. Putting in my 2 weeks notice if I don't get one.

[arsenalpow]

I've got a cobalt BP, massive DCS, and blackened acrylia blade taking up bank space

[colicab]

He is a total noob, it's pretty funny to listen to.

"Wait, what is this map thing?"
"How do I use the bazaar, do I have to walk through and inspect each vendor?"

The funny part is that I can imagine him saying all these things.

[Erati]

I've got a cobalt BP, massive DCS, and blackened acrylia blade taking up bank space

I re-made my cleric hehe but thank you !

[Bruno]

I know precisely 0 people that have ever made money playing Phinny. I also know pretty much nobody that has spent more than ~$50 or so on the game. Pretty standard price for a video game and very cheap entertainment for a game a lot of us have been playing for months.

I may not be in BDA anymore. But I still think you're literally retarded.

You really gotta put Swish on ignore or stop quoting him. The rest of us don't want to read his stupidity. I don't even know why you respond to him anymore lol.

[Hodge]

400 pages!?

Damn.

[sirelothar]

Confirmed AON's should never go to Necro's. 2 of the 3 are no longer in BDA. Give them to tanks or we riot. Definite tank loot. Putting in my 2 weeks notice if I don't get one.


I have my AoN on p99 still and the one on phinigel and I'm not a tank. Suicide?

[indiscriminate_hater]

should just rename this thread to "P99 RnF"

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Heallun RMTing on blue and phinny eh. I'd really love to see some of this imaginary cash I've made.

[Pokesan]

Heallun RMTing on blue and phinny eh. I'd really love to see some of this imaginary cash I've made.

u should spend some of the RMT money on glasses so u could see the RMT money u RMT'd

[contemptor]

My Druid 2box Just finished his VT key :cool: Come at me.
3/10, do my cleric next

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Moardots is a loot whore. Meanwhile Chest has a Gharn's, Fist of Nature, and Fangs? I wonder what rags the other monks in BDA use. I was around BDA for a very short time but my experience is this.

Person A: leaves guild because of what they perceive as shadow council shenanigans. (probably right)
Officer B in mostly BiS: Person A was a loot whore, good riddance
Peanut Gallery: You go girl (Officer B), you are so right, Person A is a piece of shit.

Pleaseeee give me a break. I saw real quickly what that Shadow Council was all about.

Very shocking that a stand up and historic BDA supporter like Moardots got the shaft. Guess you didn't suck that Shadow Council d*ck enough.

You are overthinking this. Way.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

here comes the damage control batphone

And I'm not even playing!

[Oleris]

Zero drama issues in my guild. FeelsGoodMan

[arsenalpow]

A person that hadn't raided in 2 months leaving the guild doesn't qualify as drama. Downed all of Ssra again tonight, got our first bloodfrenzy

[Raev]

One would think that all those forum batphones jcr answered in this thread alone would have given him some loot council cachet

[Ahldagor]

This threads devolved too much into finger wagging and not enough hosing kids off of your lawn.

[contemptor]

My cleric that's been 60 for like 3 days is 5/10 and emp keyed ya slacker
Ya, my playtime (and luck) are pretty low lately #casual

[AzzarTheGod]

One would fuckin think so huh? ~2 years of super high playtime relatively high raid attendance tons of contributions to the guild. Always offered/tried to help with pulls when our pull team was sucking but Chest had it in his head that monks should pull despite not really having great pulling tools on Phinny with no sneak abuse like P99. Got tells several times from people saying "I wish they'd just have you pull" but I'm sure people will deny that ever happened. I personally spent prolly over 30 hours over the course of 5 or 6 days helping Chest farm his epic on Phinny. Didn't put my name in constantly for loot. I held back a lot and only asked for the stuff I really wanted. Repeatedly got passed over on almost all of it. In many cases to people with similar/less attendance % that had gotten loot more recently.

I don't know if I was on the shadow council's bad side for constantly bucking the system or what the deal is. I was very often one of the few/only people to stand up against a leadership decision that was dumb. Most other people said nothing publicly and just told me in tells how dumb they thought it was too cause they saw me publicly talking about it. Maybe I'm the dumbass for speaking out publicly? Attempted lvl 52 level lock to farm vox/nag? Super dumb idea acknowledged to be a dumb idea after the fact that I was very vocal against from the beginning. Doing dumb vanilla/kunark content after Velious came out cause leadership felt we weren't geared/leveled enough to do Velious and we'd "get smoked"? Also turned out to be a completely dumb idea and by the time we actually started doing Kael and ToV and shit we realized we could've done it a month and a half ago. Kinda like I said we could. Thinking back on it this is probably the exact reason why I really never got any love from the shadow council. Gotta just keep your head down and go along with whatever Chest and his officers say. Cause like they like to repeatedly remind people "They know what they're doing" and aren't to be questioned. Just not how I roll unfortunately.

I didn't read some of your previous posts (they were pretty off-topic, considering)

But I read this one.

I'm inclined to agree, it seems there is a little bit more to the story than the company line we got so far "He didn't get a Vulak robe and quit overnight due to greed".

That's probably not a fair assessment. I'd say its more likely being a bit outspoken and having a personality got you into trouble, as is the case in pretty much every loot council situation we hear about across the board on Blue.

On Red we had enough big personalities (pretty much 1 out of 5 I'd say) where they couldn't fuck anyone that badly because of the climate and politics being intensified.

1 in 5 people on red are living descendants of EHHHKKK BLOODCLOT himself, and that acted as a mighty deterrent against Montreal Screwjobs at the hands of the NWO.

[arsenalpow]

Had only 3 people put in for the INT caster cloak off Emp last night, but we gave it to a cleric.

We literally have only one active necro, he scoops tons of gear, but keep believing there was an agenda or bias because you didn't get something the clerics put in for.

[burkemi5]

Loot council-- not even once.

[Daldaen]

I've been in all sorts of guilds. I favor DKP among them all though. And not some BS fixed price system. Bid to win or gtfo.

That being said, loot council can work too. Just causes lots of salt and people always assume corruption. What people tend to forget though is generally speaking the leader and officers that are stacked on gear happen to be the most active and put the most into the guild, and wouldve gotten those items anyways with any other loot system.

Not to say there aren't/haven't been corrupt loot councils in the past. But they're not all bad. The one we had in my guild on Al'Kabor was pretty incredible.

On topic - Did an AC group last night and got about half a level. Was sort of meh... I think we really needed to get into inner AC for it to be better.

Also got some generous pixels from a former P99er <3. Hoping to trade out that RBG for 2 Solstice earring combines. Gonna be awesome to get those double Druid earrings. Love me some Luclin with real earring upgrade paths and tradeskills having value in the game.

[burkemi5]

Despite giving off the appearance otherwise, most of us are grown ass adults with jobs, families, and many responsibilities. Our time is valuable. If I'm going to spend 2-3 hours a night for a few times a week doing a raid, I want to know when and what items I can expect to get from raiding. Sure, I see the "aw shucks I'm just here to hang with my e-friends, any loot is just extra :-D :-D" argument, but I personally think it's fucking dumb. You're lying to yourself if you're not playing to get some sweet items. To put it how the lyrical wordsmith Uruk may, anyone who is in a LC guild is a cuck the LC. I'm not here to sit in TS and crack the funniest jokes or drop what I'm doing to help the LC. I'm here to raid, slay some dragons, meet some decent e-friends, and not bitch when I don't have enough DKP to win an item.

[khysanth]

I've been in all sorts of guilds. I favor DKP among them all though. And not some BS fixed price system. Bid to win or gtfo.

That being said, loot council can work too. Just causes lots of salt and people always assume corruption. What people tend to forget though is generally speaking the leader and officers that are stacked on gear happen to be the most active and put the most into the guild, and wouldve gotten those items anyways with any other loot system.

Not to say there aren't/haven't been corrupt loot councils in the past. But they're not all bad. The one we had in my guild on Al'Kabor was pretty incredible.

On topic - Did an AC group last night and got about half a level. Was sort of meh... I think we really needed to get into inner AC for it to be better.

Also got some generous pixels from a former P99er <3. Hoping to trade out that RBG for 2 Solstice earring combines. Gonna be awesome to get those double Druid earrings. Love me some Luclin with real earring upgrade paths and tradeskills having value in the game.

Inner AC for sure. Luclin overall isn't great for exp but Ssra mines and Grieg's are solid.

[arsenalpow]

We haven't really pushed warrior/cleric loot once AoW and ToV were on farm, but you weren't raiding then. You have your own ideas about things, don't let the facts stop you now though.

[Nibblewitz]

You have to keep drinking the koolaid, or there are side effects.

[khysanth]

grats on your rot loot

[arsenalpow]

4 of 4 Vulak robes to clerics, all four having 90-95% attendance. The INT casters putting in for it weren't really close aside from one person on the loot council who agreed that it was a priority for our mainstay clerics. Almost every other INT caster has a CT robe, or at worse a HoT robe. Basically anyone not in the loot council is wearing rags of course.

Grats non loot council members on their bloodfrenzy, and Emp cloak last night though.

[nyclin]

your first mistake was thinking that loot council was ever going to be fair

loot council exists so that people can funnel loot to their friends & people they like under the guise of it being "good for the guild." if you aren't part of the in crowd, you ain't gettin loot

sounds like you weren't part of the in crowd in BDA, sorry about that

[arsenalpow]

Pretty good haul last night

Bone Golem Vambraces - Gedar
Dusty Blue Shawl - Amalgam
Scorched Silver Pauldrons - Dace
Black Runed Pants - Amalgam
Bloodfrenzy - Grogblok
Nocnivin's Small Book of Logic - Drachnilda
Shield of the Creator - Sark
Bonechiller - Blaza
Headband of Many Visions - Eshan
Halo of Enlightening Barriers - Burlington
Ivory Crystal Greaves - Shidal
Norge`tal - Meatsnack
Keen Edged Cleaver - greed roll / rot
Ebony Armguards - Dace
Shield of Holy Vigor - greed roll / rot
Ssraeshzaen Blood Cord - Shefler
Mace of Confusion - Oota
Gebron's Demented Cloak - Pircilis
Shawl of Awakenings - Draclau
Shawl of Awakenings - Novak

[Detoxx]

I don't feel like reading this shit thread but please tell me BDAs biggest fan boy left cause of corrupt loot council.

Oh God that's amazing

[Erati]

I don't feel like reading this shit thread but please tell me BDAs biggest fan boy left cause of corrupt loot council.

Oh God that's amazing

Pretty shocking stuff isnt it? :rolleyes:

[Cecily]

It's almost like what I've been saying for years was true, huh?

[Legday]

2 paragraphs explaining himself way too seriously is 5...4...3...2...

[Erati]

is Vulak's robe still useful in Luclin ?

Seems pretty overrated in terms of caster gearing outside of FT3 which is more widely avail with SoL.

[nhdjoseywales]

Is healbro Ryan Fitzgeralds cleric he sold and you renamed?

Those dudes are seriously special ed. did you catch the posts by the methhead one this weekend on tlp forums?

[skarlorn]

BDA loot council favored me and that's how I know it is corrupt.

[Ravager]

Loot council would work if everybody just hung around and stuck to playing their mains. It's not like the same shit doesn't pop every week. You're going to get the worthless pixels you want at some point. But, loot council doesn't work for the same reason rotations don't work; nobody wants to wait for the pixels that will be obsolete in the next expansion or after they quit. DKP isn't any better in terms of who gets what, when, it just shifts the inequity someplace else.

/random is the true equalizer.

[khysanth]

as part of the bda shadow/loot council i can also confirm it is corrupt beyond redemption

[Erati]

Warriors in Taken before Velious was released wanted 'free' items so they could tank better and help the guild overall. Its tricky to do something like that in a DKP system, we almost attempted to allocate like the first 5 or so Vindi BPs to warriors but then where do you draw the line to cut off the 'free loot'. How would you feel if you were that 6th warrior who didnt get a free BP.

So even with that idea that had the best of intentions, loot councils do nothing but cause drama. Every. Single. Time.

[Detoxx]

Warriors in Taken before Velious was released wanted 'free' items so they could tank better and help the guild overall. Its tricky to do something like that in a DKP system, we almost attempted to allocate like the first 5 or so Vindi BPs to warriors but then where do you draw the line to cut off the 'free loot'. How would you feel if you were that 6th warrior who didnt get a free BP.

So even with that idea that had the best of intentions, loot councils do nothing but cause drama. Every. Single. Time.

A


Fucking



Men


Did loot council for a while myself. Fuck that.

[arsenalpow]

Cool stories, loot council works fine for us. We run 60ish deep 3-4 nights a week, with 20-30 people pushing 80% attendance or better. If someone like Moardots is concerned mostly about getting the pixel he wants when he wants it then there's a dozen DKP guilds on Phinny ready to cater to his playstyle.

[Erati]

Cool stories, loot council works fine for us. We run 60ish deep 3-4 nights a week, with 20-30 people pushing 80% attendance or better. If someone like Moardots is concerned mostly about getting the pixel he wants when he wants it then there's a dozen DKP guilds on Phinny ready to cater to his playstyle.

LC def works way better with progression of expansions to point to in terms of the choices of loot winners, I will agree with that.

P99 though with forever Velious, it just causes drama.

[skarlorn]

Main reason bda has consistently hemorrhaged their best players like jcr4990;2372035 is over loot council. Due to This, BDA had to go to phinny to raid cause they couldn't retain enough skillful players on p99.

Loot council works fine yawl

[Nibblewitz]

As someone who has exploited the loot council, I would say loot council works just fine.

[Detoxx]

Bda has been awarding loot to their core officers and officer alts since 2009. What'd yall expect really?

[Raev]

How many non-cleric BDA members are wearing Vulak robes today then? Last time I bothered to check it was 6/6 to Clerics.
4 of 4 Vulak robes to clerics, all four having 90-95% attendance.
So, what happened to the other 2 robes?

The INT casters putting in for it weren't really close aside from one person on the loot council who agreed that it was a priority for our mainstay clerics. Almost every other INT caster has a CT robe, or at worse a HoT robe.
Did you just seriously try to compare a HoT robe to a Vulak drop?

[arsenalpow]

Bda has been awarding loot to their core officers and officer alts since 2009. What'd yall expect really?

Got any facts with that or just wildly slangin propaganda?

[arsenalpow]

So, what happened to the other 2 robes?
Did you just seriously try to compare a HoT robe to a Vulak drop?

There aren't two other robes. Troll being hyperbolic as usual.

[Man0warr]

So, what happened to the other 2 robes?
There were only 4.

Did you just seriously try to compare a HoT robe to a Vulak drop?

In Velious, when FT was scarce, it was better to go to a cleric. Just not enough time to farm Vulak now with Luclin out - so all those casters who wanted it are out of luck. Plus FT rains from the sky in Luclin, you can get a third of the cap or more in one item from easier raids in Luclin.

Not to mention, Trollolol played a necro. The first sick FT robe isn't going to a class with lower issues with mana than say a Cleric or Wizard. It would be like an enchanter asking for Vulak robe or KT boots. You are going to have less priority on that stuff.

Meanwhile, an item with Burning Affliction 3 (like BCG) is priority for Necro/Shamans, even if the stats were good for everyone who could wear it. I'm pretty sure he even got the guild first BCG on Phinny.

[Nibblewitz]

God damnit, Tofusin. We were having a nice conversation, and then you had to dump all these facts and logic on us.

[Raev]

I mean, his loot list looked pretty sad to me. Even if it took some time for BDA to spin up, 3-4 months of raiding should have been at least 8-10 full clears of everything in Velious. That's what, maybe 400 items? That's like 6 Velious items per person.Not to mention,

Trollolol played a necro. The first sick FT robe isn't going to a class with lower issues with mana than say a Cleric or Wizard. It would be like an enchanter asking for Vulak robe or KT boots. You are going to have less priority on that stuff.

So your raid as a whole gets -50 mana per tick rather than +3 because you lost a high attendance member. That doesn't sound like a win to me.

[Daldaen]

Let's continue discussing how incredible Luclin itemization is in that casters actually gain power from the items!

Wow focus effects, FT stacking to 15, so many incredible choices! Dunno how it took them 2 years to come up with loot that actually did stuff for casters.

[Erati]

In Velious, when FT was scarce, it was better to go to a cleric. Just not enough time to farm Vulak now with Luclin out - so all those casters who wanted it are out of luck. Plus FT rains from the sky in Luclin, you can get a third of the cap or more in one item from easier raids in Luclin.

Not to mention, Trollolol played a necro. The first sick FT robe isn't going to a class with lower issues with mana than say a Cleric or Wizard. It would be like an enchanter asking for Vulak robe or KT boots.


FT for a cleric literally does very little outside of smallish raid stuff

it does absolutely nothing for a CH chain for example as your CH chain is only as good as your worse couple of clerics. Once those guys start running OOM, your FT beefcake clerics cant cast CH fast enough to sustain a chain so its irrelevant if they squeeze out an extra 2 CHs during the encounter.

Now prioritizing FT on support healing classes like DRUIDS is the smart way to utilize classes as it will synergize with the druids already built in mana regen and allow them to properly patch or off tank heal for you in a more sustained manner allowing for more stable engages when adds are present or spot heals are needed.

Putting all your FT on your clerics is useless unless all clerics in your CH chain have the exact same items which might be what Trololololololololololol is eluding too.

[arsenalpow]

Every single KT minus one has been turned into boots. Sorry not sorry

[Daldaen]

FT for a cleric literally does very little outside of smallish raid stuff

it does absolutely nothing for a CH chain for example as your CH chain is only as good as your worse couple of clerics. Once those guys start running OOM, your FT beefcake clerics cant cast CH fast enough to sustain a chain so its irrelevant if they squeeze out an extra 2 CHs during the encounter.

Now prioritizing FT on support healing classes like DRUIDS is the smart way to utilize classes as it will synergize with the druids already built in mana regen and allow them to properly patch or off tank heal for you in a more sustained manner allowing for more stable engages when adds are present or spot heals are needed.

Putting all your FT on your clerics is useless unless all clerics in your CH chain have the exact same items which might be what Trololololololololololol is eluding too.
Lol... This argument sounds very familiar....

[Chubbler]

Just waiting for an OGC member to upgrade to Robe of Secrets from Vulak robe so we can see Moardots fill another 10 pages with his tears.

[Raev]

That Robe of Secrets is straight up nasty. I wonder if a Wizard with FT15, evocation damage focus items, and spell crits/AAs might actually be decent in a group on Phinny.

[Ravager]

See that's the thing. Expansions come every 3-4 months or whatever. So in cases of very contested items that are BiS for many classes. There's a good chance you'll never see it cause you won't continue raiding that target long enough for everyone that wants one to get one. Or you'll be raiding content that drops better stuff. But in the case of BDA's current loot council it wouldn't shock me in the least if emp robe was clr usable that they'd be giving it to clrs to upgrade their vulak robes while the casters are hung out to dry. At least with DKP you can choose to save up DKP to splurge on the one item you really want.
You can attempt to splurge on it, having a bunch of DKP doesn't guarantee you'll get it in any case and DKP can be gamed. /random can't be gamed.

Besides, in a world of instances, what's stopping you from forming a pick up raid to go after the old content after the guild moved on to the next expansion?

[Relbaic]

Let's continue discussing how incredible Luclin itemization is in that casters actually gain power from the items!

Wow focus effects, FT stacking to 15, so many incredible choices! Dunno how it took them 2 years to come up with loot that actually did stuff for casters.

Oh man, playing as a SK with focus effects is AMAZING. Lifetaps working properly, dots actually landing. I feel so useful!

[maskedmelon]

I was in a raid guild for a bit in WoW that used /random and it was retarded. Has to be some kind of measure to reward people that put in more time and effort or else whats the point.

Nothing stopping you from going after old content. But to go after Vulak you'd still need a pretty hefty raid force even with Luclin gear. Also who wants to have to go farm old content just to get gear? If I'm in a raiding guild and attending 80%+ of the raids that happen 6-7 days a week shouldn't I be getting a decent share of current content items?

Actually w/ /random, those who attend more are already rewarded with more opportunities to /random. More /randoms over a shorter interval increases the likelihood of a winning random over the same period, means more loot for those with higher attendance ^^

[Relbaic]

You have to keep drinking the koolaid, or there are side effects.

Oh hey crazies back! Abandon any raids you were leading lately?

[Ravager]

I was in a raid guild for a bit in WoW that used /random and it was retarded. Has to be some kind of measure to reward people that put in more time and effort or else whats the point.

Nothing stopping you from going after old content. But to go after Vulak you'd still need a pretty hefty raid force even with Luclin gear. Also who wants to have to go farm old content just to get gear? If I'm in a raiding guild and attending 80%+ of the raids that happen 6-7 days a week shouldn't I be getting a decent share of current content items?
So, you only want the gear if it's from the latest content? I don't know much about later expansions, but isn't the robe something that will just get stuffed in the bank and be forgotten about when easier to acquire alternatives come out? I honestly don't understand this perspective. Why make a big deal about something that isn't going to matter in 6 months?

I agree if you raid a lot, you should be getting loot, but that applies to everyone who raids a lot. Are you the only one showing up for 80%+ raids? Were the robes awarded to people with less attendance?

Also, law of averages makes /random fair for the people who show up more and it makes it fair for the warm bodies who maybe only show up 20% of the time, but are still integral to making a raid happen at all.

[skarlorn]

Relbaic you're a shitty player with a bad personality. Your only redeeming quality is time played. You will never be useful.

[Relbaic]

Relbaic you're a shitty player with a bad personality. Your only redeeming quality is time played. You will never be useful.

I only said I feel useful, not that I am useful.

Glad we're on the same page buddy.

[skarlorn]

I only said I feel useful, not that I am useful.

Glad we're on the same page buddy.

I came in hot and you slapped my ass like a newborn baby. Well played sir

[sirelothar]

Mindin my business shard farming with my group in Akheva for 2+ hrs. BDA group rolls in and starts jackin all our mobs. Turns into KS race. Chest gets wind and shows up to help. Real classy fellas :P

Luckily got the last shard we needed within a few mins and got out of there. Gratz on out dpsing 3 people that have been 60 for ~1 week and some random dude 2 boxing an enc/dru in strix though /clap


Welcome to phinny. That's been the case since the server launched and GM's have said that everything is a dps race. Get used to it.

[Relbaic]

Mindin my business shard farming with my group in Akheva for 2+ hrs. BDA group rolls in and starts jackin all our mobs. Turns into KS race. Chest gets wind and shows up to help. Real classy fellas :P

Luckily got the last shard we needed within a few mins and got out of there. Gratz on out dpsing 3 people that have been 60 for ~1 week and some random dude 2 boxing an enc/dru in strix though /clap

You're in OGC and you're complaining about another group out dpsing a camp you were at? Pot kettle?

4 posts in a day, I must be bored.

[arsenalpow]

OGC likes to DPS race everything, for example the Praes in Seru as we've found out too many times already. Didn't even realize it was you, I just came to help people get shards.

[Segemund]

Been in OGC for like 2 days. I had nothin to do with them wrecking you guys at that Arx key mob or whatever. Don't take it out on me.

Wear the tag, deal with it.

I called Chest there (this is Grog) and when he arrived we stopped DPS racing you for trap mobs which he suggested.

And as far as OGC is concerned your guild encourages DPS races. It helps weed out the BS fighting back and forth that comes around from "my camp/your camp" and Satoshi doesn't want to deal with it. We respect camps with guilds that respect camps. So basically anyone but EoE/AoS/Darkwind/OGC.

We won't train you (as OGC doesn't train) but we won't let you have your cake and eat it, too.

[arsenalpow]

No, I was batphoned when someone told me there was an opportunity to grief moardots and I sprung into action, got there as fast as I could. It was all a devious plot to make him pay for everything he did to BDA and the loot we wasted on him.

[khysanth]

That Robe of Secrets is straight up nasty. I wonder if a Wizard with FT15, evocation damage focus items, and spell crits/AAs might actually be decent in a group on Phinny.

Wizards are good in groups on phinny without all that. Just need your basic AAs, and ID3 focus from a few item options. Just need Clarity/KEI.

[arsenalpow]

Wizards are good in groups on phinny without all that. Just need your basic AAs, and ID3 focus from a few item options. Just need Clarity/KEI.

Ya, I wish pullyn was around to nuke some stuff too. Dude's too busy guarding coasts or whatever.

[Troubled]

Thread feeling classic af rite now.

[khanable]

Trololol switched sides?

[Murri]

page 420 http://i.imgur.com/YeVnWCX.gif

[arsenalpow]

You say that sarcastically like it couldn't possibly be true. But I'm about 98% certain that's not far from the truth. I've heard/seen the pure hate directed at former members that recently left with no real reasoning behind it lol. Also you knew my chars name and walked right up 5 feet in front of me :P

But its all good. Got the shard and everybody lived happily ever after.

whatever you say, it's not like what I say will change your tinfoil brain

[skarlorn]

420 kushie where you are

[maskedmelon]

Just thought I should get in on this before it's gone.

[Ravager]

You're still tagged on P99 though, right?

[khysanth]

Please tell me more about your instanced conquests, in-fighting and loot distribution methods

we will, onward to 500!

[khysanth]

rip 420 :( was a p good page i guess

[arsenalpow]

phinny just crashed, what a shit server

[skarlorn]

this is g@y kushie missed page 420

[Kushie]

Fuck I missed 420, rip filbus and greengrocer

[arsenalpow]

we lost our AC instance, we killed the bug, didn't get to distribute the loot, then came back to no instance or the ability to pop another

RIP Khati Sha

[Kushie]

Rip in peace piece

[nhdjoseywales]

Ya, did you watch his live stream last night? HOLEESHIT

nah, I cant bring myself to watch him after the first round. guy is living proof birth control should be legal, free, and mandatory.

[snead]

must really miss p99 to be posting on p99 forums but playing phinny and talking about phinny?

[Relbaic]

must really miss p99 to be posting on p99 forums but playing phinny and talking about phinny?

no?

[Tipsyer]

must really miss p99 to be posting on p99 forums but playing phinny and talking about phinny?

What a page 20 thing to say.

Get your head right.

[Cecily]

Welcome to phinny. That's been the case since the server launched and GM's have said that everything is a dps race. Get used to it.

That's actually pretty awesome. P99 lacks rewarding griefer gameplay.

[Relbaic]

That's actually pretty awesome. P99 lacks rewarding griefer gameplay.

Training is still frowned upon but DBG has said that camps aren't a thing. If you get XP, it's yours.

[Cecily]

Yeah I'd definitely pay a sub just to go full on anti-social blue on a server I don't care about.

[Kushie]

Hi guys

[AzzarTheGod]

Yeah I'd definitely pay a sub just to go full on anti-social blue on a server I don't care about.

lol nice.

[radda]

I wonder what fippy would have been like with instances...
Fucking lame I'm sure until instances was out of the box
Dps races, yup. Fun times I guess

[fan D]

and what if we prefer to stare at the wall in unison with other guilds?

[Detoxx]

In literally cannot believe anyone would join a LC guild on an instanced server.

[fan D]

zero sum dkp system is a shitty system for any long lasting guild. perhaps if u raid long enough you will realize that (like the rest of us)

[mr_jon3s]

It only sucked for you because you were in a bad guild with a bad loot system. I'm glad you finally saw the light regarding the people around you.

Swish just play phinny already you know you want to.

[mr_jon3s]

I think playing on a server with finite spawns/resources where people interact outside their guild is much more appealing than instanced raiding, cash shops, kronos that you can sell for $$, and seemingly...the Phinny community..

The servers fun tons of people actually interact with people outside of their guilds this thread is just BDA colored bringing in a p99 mentality into phinny. Been playing on phinny and got to 53 the other day. Not in a guild meet and group with tons of people making friends. Cash shops are meh I dont use it. Kronos I like the fact that I can farm up some plat and not have to worry about paying for my subscription. But my biggest reason for playing on phinny is I have always thought Luclin and Planes of Power were great expansions.

[Nibblewitz]

No need to worry; EQ became a single player game.

[Mead]

I think playing on a server with finite spawns/resources where people interact outside their guild is much more appealing than instanced raiding, cash shops, kronos that you can sell for $$, and seemingly...the Phinny community.

Seems like its tearing members away from BDA too, hope theres enough warm bodies coming in that the loot council continues to be respected or it'll be like it was here with loads jumping ship for a better option.

There's your first mistake. Quit trying to think. You aren't really good at it.

It's funny that you have trouble with people paying for stuff in a video game, but you don't have trouble with them donating money to your fake fundraisers. You're a joke dude.

[Legday]

How in the FUCK do you guys keep letting Swish troll you?

Carry on.

[Ravager]

The servers fun tons of people actually interact with people outside of their guilds this thread is just BDA colored bringing in a p99 mentality into phinny. Been playing on phinny and got to 53 the other day. Not in a guild meet and group with tons of people making friends. Cash shops are meh I dont use it. Kronos I like the fact that I can farm up some plat and not have to worry about paying for my subscription. But my biggest reason for playing on phinny is I have always thought Luclin and Planes of Power were great expansions.
Swish doesn't pay for his internet (library), clothes (church), food (soup kitchen) or rent (park bench). What makes you think you can talk him into paying for EQ?

[khysanth]

he probably voted to brexit too

[Sodors Finest Poster]

Oh - is this thread still going?

[Nibblewitz]

he probably voted to brexit too

He's not that smart, nor free-thinking.

[xKoopa]

Guess I'm still BDA. Dunno why the screenshot is all fucky.

http://i.imgur.com/iZiMH5b.jpg

The cycle is complete

[arsenalpow]

If only EQ had an ingame roster system