BDA to Phinigel

[Relbaic]

Emp down, woooo!

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=13238 x2

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=11702

[Uuruk]

Emp down, woooo!

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=13238 x2

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=11702

aww yiss, i wanna see some screenshots to make sure it wasn't exploited at zone in. I hear that is a problem lately with guilds.

[Ahldagor]

theres a page of this thread for every day of the year now

Gonna be more too.

[Pokesan]

Gonna be more too.

yes. yes there will be.

[khysanth]

5th guild to kill emp on server

got him on our 2nd attempt

immersed p hard tonight

[Uuruk]

5th guild to kill emp on server

got him on our 2nd attempt

immersed p hard tonight

You are at least the 8th guild To kill emp? Why come on these forums and lie?

[khysanth]

why come on these forums and be mad

[Uuruk]

why come on these forums and be mad

You're the one lying about an emp kill.

[burkemi5]

Man Uuruk for trying to troll them you're sure following them pretty closely. Even making a character on the server and following their boards just to see what they're up to? Confirmed BDA cuck. Grats BDA, you've come full circle.

[arsenalpow]

Got a copy of GSS too for a lucky wizard off Emp. Big booooom.

[Uuruk]

Got a copy of GSS too for a lucky wizard off Emp. Big booooom.

Did you it's kill Emp at spawn?

[Uuruk]

Did you it's kill Emp at spawn?

MOBILE BROWSING

[maskedmelon]

MOBILE BROWSING

The war is mine as well :c

[Daldaen]

Got a copy of GSS too for a lucky wizard off Emp. Big booooom.

I loved this about Luclin spells.

They had the generic upgrades for all classes... And then they had the spells that only dropped from 1 raid mob. GSS, RGC, Marzin's Mark, Seru dropped some wizard magic nuke. God damn such good design with chase loot.

Grats on the Emp kill. That was a great fight with the Offtanking group and add control $$$.

[iNteg]

I loved this about Luclin spells.

They had the generic upgrades for all classes... And then they had the spells that only dropped from 1 raid mob. GSS, RGC, Marzin's Mark, Seru dropped some wizard magic nuke. God damn such good design with chase loot.

Grats on the Emp kill. That was a great fight with the Offtanking group and add control $$$.

They pulled to the entrance, no offtanking required

[Uuruk]

They pulled to the entrance, no offtanking required

Nothin better than cheesin and exploiting shit.

[arsenalpow]

Everything was offtanked. We pre-targeted, had knights and warriors on the 4 unmezzables, had chanters/bards lock down the other 4 while we killed blood. DPSed down the knight tanked mobs to 20% before Emp woke up. Once Emp was engaged and slowed we killed the 8 adds, then merc'd Emp.

It was kinda sketchy around 50% I thought we were going to attrit out on mana. Spell shield was super helpful with that Emp 4K nuke bullshit.

[iNteg]

Everything was offtanked. We pre-targeted, had knights and warriors on the 4 unmezzables, had chanters/bards lock down the other 4 while we killed blood. DPSed down the knight tanked mobs to 20% before Emp woke up. Once Emp was engaged and slowed we killed the 8 adds, then merc'd Emp.

It was kinda sketchy around 50% I thought we were going to attrit out on mana. Spell shield was super helpful with that Emp 4K nuke bullshit.

They're not supposed to die at all, just get off tanked the entire time, otherwise they repop immediately. Plus it lets non Keyed people join the fight when you pull it down.

[Mead]

Just minding my own business on Phinny this morning, trying to sell my Salindrite dagger, and a BDA trouble maker decides to link his dagger as to say my Salindrite dagger is not worth buying. A once respectable guild has become nothing but a bunch of trolls and instigators on every server.


http://i.imgur.com/YZpOFoV.png

[nhdjoseywales]

Just minding my own business on Phinny this morning, trying to sell my Salindrite dagger, and a BDA trouble maker decides to link his dagger as to say my Salindrite dagger is not worth buying. A once respectable guild has become nothing but a bunch of trolls and instigators on every server.


http://i.imgur.com/YZpOFoV.png

I'm jelly as hell. we still havent had any daggers drop off ssra or khati

[nhdjoseywales]

speaking of khati...


does anyone have the formula for backstab damage by chance? i'm torn over dagger choices. most rogues in my guild want khati dagger but i think Khalshazar is going to end up being better. from what i can tell the khal is better straight dps with no backstab factored in.
in the past they all thought epic offhand was the way to go but my domination of the parses finally showed at least some of them that vulak main tunare offhand was better.

[arsenalpow]

We never saw a single myro but got 4 Tunare daggers

That was our 2nd ssra so I guess the dagger was lucky

[skarlorn]

Catabrie is named after the lead female character In salvatores famous drizzle series. I can't believe someone is prancing around with that name. Shameful. What a dumb cont

[arsenalpow]

He's a space cat too

[skarlorn]

sorry to hear it chest. It must be tough leading a group of ppl who are so dedicated to trolling, harassing, flaming staff, and naming themselves poorly.

Hoping this Finds all of BDA well, except for Catabrie and anyone else I don't like (anthrax, sanluen, and all the other weirdo faux-cookie monsters.) May Anakarias get his epic

[Man0warr]

I mean the guild is a misspelled version of an organization from the same series of books. No idea who actually decided the guild name, probably Sanluen years and years ago.

[khysanth]

someone please give us an swish/uruuk update

is he in game right now shadowing chest?

[skarlorn]

I mean the guild is a misspelled version of an organization from the same series of books. No idea who actually decided the guild name, probably Sanluen years and years ago.

it's fucking sickening. you guys didn't fix the error when you moved over?

[Uuruk]

someone please give us an swish/uruuk update

is he in game right now shadowing chest?

Yikes, not funny

[Pokesan]

Yikes, not funny

thx for uuruk update

[Uuruk]

thx for uuruk update

Thx 4 comment

[Hoozi]

Yikes, not funny

I missed the part where literally anything you have ever said was funny.

[AzzarTheGod]

Just hit 8 posts per day. Does this carry any weight on my BDA app?

[Uuruk]

I missed the part where literally anything you have ever said was funny.

this cuck sounds triggered.

[nhdjoseywales]

CSB Time

I was sitting in GE at the DSP entrance soloing on my rogue with my box toons (cleric, chanter, mage) out of group for buffs, heals, mezzing, dps etc and had been happily burning a xp potion for about 3 hours or so. A group of twitchtv folks zoned into my pick and watced me killing at entrance for a bit then decided to go plop down in the last room i was pulling and start killing the repops as they spawned. This pissed me off quite a bit but i figured its a big room with two entrances and two exits so i can just go past them on the opposite side of the room and pull shit from further in back to my camp. fuckers intercepted, mezzed and rooted my first pull but i had a couple repops close to camp so i killed those and then went to go find more. this time they again intercepted my pull so i dps raced them on the mobs and won 3 of the 4 and maybe killed their chanter or healer, someone died, not really sure which one it was. they left my next pull the fuck alone. lesson of the day, if someone is peacefully doing something and not bothering you, maybe dont fuck with them and bring down a shitstorm upon yourself you cant handle. also if i out dps your whole group, ha ha ha ha :P

[AzzarTheGod]

didn't read waiting for reviews to come back

[Uuruk]

ya not reading that book

[Hoozi]

this cuck sounds triggered.

I don't think you know what triggered even means.

[burkemi5]

CSB Time

I was sitting in GE at the DSP entrance soloing on my rogue with my box toons (cleric, chanter, mage) out of group for buffs, heals, mezzing, dps etc and had been happily burning a xp potion for about 3 hours or so. A group of twitchtv folks zoned into my pick and watced me killing at entrance for a bit then decided to go plop down in the last room i was pulling and start killing the repops as they spawned. This pissed me off quite a bit but i figured its a big room with two entrances and two exits so i can just go past them on the opposite side of the room and pull shit from further in back to my camp. fuckers intercepted, mezzed and rooted my first pull but i had a couple repops close to camp so i killed those and then went to go find more. this time they again intercepted my pull so i dps raced them on the mobs and won 3 of the 4 and maybe killed their chanter or healer, someone died, not really sure which one it was. they left my next pull the fuck alone. lesson of the day, if someone is peacefully doing something and not bothering you, maybe dont fuck with them and bring down a shitstorm upon yourself you cant handle. also if i out dps your whole group, ha ha ha ha :P

Pretty good vengeance story, could use some punctuation though

[Uuruk]

I don't think you know what triggered even means.

Yep, officially triggered

[mr_jon3s]

Anyone playing a ranger that has maxed bow aa's? I just wanna know if its viable yet or you gonna have to wait till PoP.

[arsenalpow]

max bow AAs are goddamn absurd

[AzzarTheGod]

rangers kill em with the card deck gambit bow ripping.


^ hella bars there in this thread.

[Murri]

does the BFG exist on phinny?

[Bruno]

Anyone playing a ranger that has maxed bow aa's? I just wanna know if its viable yet or you gonna have to wait till PoP.

I am topping dps charts on my alt ranger with just Ancient Prismatic Bow. It's silly how much damage rangers are doing right now. I haven't had this much fun in a while.

[coki]

Yep, officially triggered


https://giphy.com/gifs/ZEVc9uplCUJFu

[burkemi5]

I'm guessing auto fire is in game? How about melody?

[arsenalpow]

I'm guessing auto fire is in game? How about melody?

both in game

[iNteg]

Anyone playing a ranger that has maxed bow aa's? I just wanna know if its viable yet or you gonna have to wait till PoP.

I do, i top meters when Trueshot is up, and i beat monks when it's not.

[Daldaen]

Thanks for all the twinkage, my mana pool tripled tonight friends!

[khysanth]

nice! hope your immersion is as good as mine

[Uuruk]

https://giphy.com/gifs/ZEVc9uplCUJFu

Lmao

[arsenalpow]

http://i.imgur.com/Aqd9lBm.jpg

[Uuruk]

Is that the picture of the zone in?

[kaev]

You're such a kidder Uuruk, everybody knows where you work pal.

[khysanth]

Is that the picture of the zone in?

it actually wasnt zone in :o

p different server than p99 where you pull ntov to zone in

[skarlorn]

Is BDA still labeling themselves casual?

[Swish]

Is BDA still labeling themselves casual?

Not sure how any guild on that server can call themselves hardcore with instanced raiding that starts whenever you're ready :o

[iNteg]

Not sure how any guild on that server can call themselves hardcore with instanced raiding that starts whenever you're ready :o

Wow guilds that raid 5 nights a week for 6+ hours a night are called hardcore.

[Daldaen]

Instanced raiding is where it's at.

You can schedule a raid, decide to show up at that hour and know you can slay some dragons during that allotted time. No waking up at weird hours or getting spam telled to concede, or about a stall (lol).

There's a reason every game went towards instancing. People don't play nice when it's not in their best interest.

[Ravager]

Hardcore raiding is so prestigious, everyone should really aspire to it.

[arsenalpow]

The Luclin instances are bugged (aside from Ssra) so we audibled to NToV and mashed the entire wing in 3 hours. Vyemm is so much easier with disease slow lol. Lots of good drops last night too, eashen sleeves, nice feshlak boots, koi net and trident, silver chains, nev cloak, and Gharns / Myro / ring / sirran boots from vulak.

[Uuruk]

The Luclin instances are bugged (aside from Ssra) so we audibled to NToV and mashed the entire wing in 3 hours. Vyemm is so much easier with disease slow lol. Lots of good drops last night too, eashen sleeves, nice feshlak boots, koi net and trident, silver chains, nev cloak, and Gharns / Myro / ring / sirran boots from vulak.

Grats where do I app 60 wizard

[Daldaen]

That is some sick ToV loot. So the Ssra instance is working?

How does the Rhag cycle work? Do they default to Rhag1,2 and Arch Lich being up or do you have to kill each to spawn the next. I recall that being a huge cockblock for getting all our priests RGC.

[iNteg]

That is some sick ToV loot. So the Ssra instance is working?

How does the Rhag cycle work? Do they default to Rhag1,2 and Arch Lich being up or do you have to kill each to spawn the next. I recall that being a huge cockblock for getting all our priests RGC.

you could research RGC, so we had copies on day 1.

the Rhag Cycle works properly now, before Archlich was up, so you could kill Arch lich, kill rhag 2, kill arch lick, kill rhag 1, spawn rhag 2 and kill arch lich a 3rd time. LOL

[Daldaen]

Rofl yea I figured that sort of mechanic would've fallen through the cracks on them.

Did they also have glyphed serpent up along with all the Taskmasters and Rhozth allowing a double dipped Cursed cycle?

[iNteg]

Rofl yea I figured that sort of mechanic would've fallen through the cracks on them.

Did they also have glyphed serpent up along with all the Taskmasters and Rhozth allowing a double dipped Cursed cycle?

I don't think so. they fixed it all though, but in fixing it they broke everything else but VT. we killed AHR last night but it was cutting it close.

[Daldaen]

AHR was a pretty lame fight. Any of the AHR mobs were lame in fact. I am curious how most of these fights play out with mighty buff. Sounds like it's just super slow.

Also gonna be very interested if they keep mighty buff for PoP. Hoping they cut it off there.

[iNteg]

AHR was a pretty lame fight. Any of the AHR mobs were lame in fact. I am curious how most of these fights play out with mighty buff. Sounds like it's just super slow.

Also gonna be very interested if they keep mighty buff for PoP. Hoping they cut it off there.

ding ding ding. i went afk during Aten Goo, at like 30% and came back 10 minutes later and he was about to die.

[nhdjoseywales]

Sig Test

[Fifield]

Went xp'ing at GE for the first time few nights ago. Holy shit that place is fun
BST confirmed best pullers around.

All the luclin hype i heard for so many years is living up to its fame.

[Uuruk]

Went xp'ing at GE for the first time few nights ago. Holy shit that place is fun
BST confirmed best pullers around.

All the luclin hype i heard for so many years is living up to its fame.

ya bro, hellen keller can pull GE.

[arsenalpow]

Seru and Shei down, just missing dumb Khati Sha that we couldn't attempt the other day with bugged instances.

Seru is a pinata fo sho

[iNteg]

Seru and Shei down, just missing dumb Khati Sha that we couldn't attempt the other day with bugged instances.

Seru is a pinata fo sho

boring fight, fun for meters though. i got my bow tonight too though.

[Hoozi]

uuruk needs a res!

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Went xp'ing at GE for the first time few nights ago. Holy shit that place is fun
BST confirmed best pullers around.

All the luclin hype i heard for so many years is living up to its fame.

wait till PoP hits. its luclin x5

[AzzarTheGod]

Clicked the link but nothing happened what gives??

Wait that isn't a stream?

[khysanth]

it's a stream just wait it will load

[nicemace]

Seru and Shei down, just missing dumb Khati Sha that we couldn't attempt the other day with bugged instances.

Seru is a pinata fo sho

khati sha's rampage is hilarious. make sure you setup ramp properly lol. we adjusted mid fight, as we were used to healing ramp with a single druid + torpor.

[Swish]

Seru and Shei down, just missing dumb Khati Sha that we couldn't attempt the other day with bugged instances.

Seru is a pinata fo sho

BDA still locked out of content...this time it was "the server's fault" :o

[bigbard1]

RIP
http://i.imgur.com/crPSqOb.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/qRsg8Ys.gif

Thank you for the thought. I have been resurrected.

[radda]

My guild plus others socking seru. Popped in the last hours of window.
http://youtu.be/MblxT4YgGEs

[burkemi5]

My guild plus others socking seru. Popped in the last hours of window.
http://youtu.be/MblxT4YgGEs

Seriously though... why would you play RF over Phinny? Is it because of how quickly Phinny progresses? Have a serious issue with instances?

[nhdjoseywales]

Seriously though... why would you play RF over Phinny? Is it because of how quickly Phinny progresses? Have a serious issue with instances?

Some people literally only play to deny content to others.

[nhdjoseywales]

Ok, i Lol'd

http://i.imgur.com/Aqd9lBm.jpg

[Daldaen]

Seriously though... why would you play RF over Phinny? Is it because of how quickly Phinny progresses? Have a serious issue with instances?

People went hard on Ragefire and didn't want to reroll.

Lots of posts about asking for instances on Ragefire and Lockjaw.

[khysanth]

tell them to learn to compete /smugface

[Ardok]

Is this server worth giving a try, or does it move to fast for only neckbeards to succeed on? is this classic or are there so many daybreak bullshit mechanics added to where its not even that classic. ?

[Hoozi]

Is this server worth giving a try, or does it move to fast for only neckbeards to succeed on? is this classic or are there so many daybreak bullshit mechanics added to where its not even that classic. ?

You can be 60 in a week depending on your play time. Nows a perfect time to join before the additional AAs are released with POP. (you only need ~100 AA right now to get all your classes good stuff, and can easily do 2-3 an hour). Also AA is ramped up initially (just like regular servers) to help you catch up.

[bigbard1]

60 in a week if you live with your mom and spend infinite $ on xp potions. Or just buy a character of redguides for 200 bucks.

[bigbard1]

Or trade your p99 stuff for phinny stuff. Tons of people in BDA did it along with other people.

[arsenalpow]

Got some proof or is that your drug riddled brain misremembering?

[iNteg]

I really wish I could figure out where the whole tinfoil hat trading gear from blue to phinny comes from because my Rogue is still on p99 fully geared.

[Fifield]

Is this server worth giving a try, or does it move to fast for only neckbeards to succeed on? is this classic or are there so many daybreak bullshit mechanics added to where its not even that classic. ?

Definatly worth playing, its alot of fun for any type of playstyle. Casual or Hardcore.

Will you get to 60 in a week like that other guy said? fuck no. Spend 15 bucks on a sub, give it a try. If you enjoy it buy a few xp potions to help you along the way.

If you do decide to play, send Wirts Legg a tell. I don't have much but maybe I have something you could use.

[Daldaen]

So I rolled on Phinny back in December, just floated around and got to level 6 solo (super slow).

Decided to group up with random people. Got 6-10 in Crushbone in an evening of grouping. Did 10-16 on a Saturday afternoon. Then did 16-20 on another evening. And 20-22 last night.

These nights are probably 2-3 hours of play time. Maybe a little more.

Dunno at what point it slows down but it seems pretty casual friendly.

I generally hate exp group, but on this server people are pretty OP and people are Powerleveling new Alts all over the place. Due to the exp code it's to those PLer's benefit to invite you to their group so that they exp faster. Because of this you really don't have to contribute much to your group at all to increase the leveling rate for everyone in your group. It's nice, people don't really ask me for buffs. Can just sort of lazily level up until you get to a higher level where the game is actually funz

[sirelothar]

Or trade your p99 stuff for phinny stuff. Tons of people in BDA did it along with other people.

Yeah curious about this one since I'm still fully geared there and have a few desirable items.

[Man0warr]

The one BDA guy I know that did it got his P99 account banned right away. Braknar and crew were probably on high alert when we migrated.

They might be a bit more lax about it now but at this point with so many moving to Phinny, and the deprecation of Krono price, your P99 items ain't worth shit.

[bigbard1]

The one BDA guy I know that did it got his P99 account banned right away. Braknar and crew were probably on high alert when we migrated.

They might be a bit more lax about it now but at this point with so many moving to Phinny, and the deprecation of Krono price, your P99 items ain't worth shit.

Alert for what. There is no proof that is what you are doing lol.

[AzzarTheGod]

The alert went out and accounts were banned for no reason?

Its classic. I got banned for attacking people at spires on Live. In the good old days, just being the subject of a petition was enough to get you put on ice. Its like every GM was like your abusive father who just wanted to blame the subject because its the emotionally easiest thing to do.

Must feel good layin down them bans u feelers

[Man0warr]

If a bunch of ex-BDA characters started logging in exclusively from new IPs/MAC addresses, that would be extremely shady.

Also if you were trading off high price items or plat for nothing in return, that would also trip some alarms. P99 GMs watch that shit.

[AzzarTheGod]

If a bunch of ex-BDA characters started logging in exclusively from new IPs/MAC addresses, that would be extremely shady.

Also if you were trading off high price items or plat for nothing in return, that would also trip some alarms. P99 GMs watch that shit.

On a srs note, a ban like that is usually reversed pending an explanation of why you gave all your stuff away. Assuming its just a clean IP single player to single player exchange with straight forward IP histories for both accounts.

If you traded it to a "high volume" player who has a bunch of weird trades and associations with suspicious IP addresses, you're going to need a REALLY good explanation.

In the end, if you aren't a complete autist and the staff isn't in a bad mood you usually get your stuff back after providing a reason in a petition.

Its the same in real life, if you try to wire too much money you have to provide answers for it or else they won't release it.

[Kushie]

I have my all my p99 stuff still. Never-ending velious oh boy!

[AzzarTheGod]

Never-ending velious oh boy!

I feel sick.

Back on topic, after reviewing these raid encounters BDA just posted, you can't say that Velious was core EQ design. I think Luclin is what EQ meant to be all along, because it was their first major budgeted expansion pack with the most money invested and the most minds involved in creating it.

Luclin was the first time SOE fleshed out a major AAA development team.

There was so much money and design happening, it overstimulated Brad McQuaid's vaccine brain, and he had to leave the company 2 weeks before Luclin launched.

That's how much design there was.

And can we get RNF adding to post count again? I need to hit level 10.

[radda]

Seriously though... why would you play RF over Phinny? Is it because of how quickly Phinny progresses? Have a serious issue with instances?

That is fippy darkpaw

[jcr4990]

I for one am thankful RNF posts don't count so I can pretend I'm not a fire giant

[skarlorn]

Luclin was the first time SOE fleshed out a major AAA development team.

There was so much money and design happening, it overstimulated Brad McQuaid's vaccine brain, and he had to leave the company 2 weeks before Luclin launched.

That's how much design there was.
Loving this Trump style didactic

[nicemace]

we just one shot emp in his room with all add's up. blood didn't drop loot and wraiths not dropping rifts. lol.

[Daldaen]

Got level 27 last night, damn near 28.

Ported my group to Nexus afterwards. Feels good man, being able to group port. Can't wait to scribe my Druid Zephyr TLs $$$.

[arsenalpow]

Killed AoW last night with only 2 warriors and 6 clerics. Tanking without defensive makes that fight all the more puckering.

[Valakut]

Killed AoW last night with only 2 warriors and 6 clerics. Tanking without defensive makes that fight all the more puckering.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMbcOC5dS5k

[Daldaen]

Was hoping that YouTube video was going to be some FRAPS. Extremely disappointed.

[arsenalpow]

https://youtu.be/8AumfgHZVbc

[skarlorn]

8 man AoW kill? that's awesome

[big_ole_jpn]

8 man AoW kill? that's awesome

they had out of era raid buffs from cash shop potions but still, those clerics did alot of dps

[arsenalpow]

it was like 40 people, but clerics and warriors are the key to the fight obviously

[burkemi5]

it was like 40 people, but clerics and warriors are the key to the fight obviously

What kind of AAs did your wars/ clerics have?

[nicemace]

What kind of AAs did your wars/ clerics have?

clerics don't really have any AA that sustain or improve ch chain at all.

what does help is having mind wrack. just off tank a caster mob and group 2 necros with 4 clerics you can chain ch all night long.

[khysanth]

mana wasn't really an issue, tanks dipping really low since we didn't have 100% defensive uptime was scary

[arsenalpow]

VT key done, just need to get some more keys for the rest of the team

[Daldaen]

I've already seen the QQ threads about the Fungus Grove shard.

RNG QQs, so classic, so immersed.

[mr_jon3s]

Phinigel bazaar has taught me one thing about p99. If a bazaar was ever used on p99 the prices on 90% of the items would plummet.

[Bruno]

Phinigel bazaar has taught me one thing about p99. If a bazaar was ever used on p99 the prices on 90% of the items would plummet.

Haha yup. It's a tunnel dweller's nightmare. Krono flipping appears to still be healthy. Personally, the bazaar is one of the greatest features added to the game. I can sell all my bullshit while I'm at work or away hassle free.

[jcr4990]

It's almost like when u don't have to fuck around in tunnel for hours to buy/sell things and u don't have a bunch of greedy tunnel rats fucking with the economy then prices become reasonable on many items.

Who'da thunk

[AzzarTheGod]

VT key done, just need to get some more keys for the rest of the team

Ive been in withdrawal in this thread without Uuruk.

But if this is the best thing we've got to a chest update, I guess I will have to settle for now.

[Ravager]

On live back in the day, when the bazaar just came out, I liked to buy up all of the stuff people were selling below vendor price and then vendoring it. Was a good way to make easy plat.

[Kixx]

sold my account for $4000.00 USD, you should do the same.

[bigbard1]

Ive been in withdrawal in this thread without Uuruk.

But if this is the best thing we've got to a chest update, I guess I will have to settle for now.

Ya, some butthurt cucks in this thread.

[nhdjoseywales]

Last nights kills
Seru x 3
Servitor/Grieg x 3
Vadynn x 3
Insanity Crawler x 3
IV x 3
Shei x 2
Evolved Burrower x 2
Khati Sha x2
Lcea x 2
Doze x 2
Lady N x2
Vulak x 2
Tormax
Vindi
Statue
AOW

I think that was all, it was late

[burkemi5]

Ya, some butthurt cucks in this thread.

Woot glad to have comments like this back

[bigbard1]

For real 60 wizard looking for guild. Who do I join?

[khysanth]

whatever guild raids at a convenient schedule for you

[bigbard1]

whatever guild raids at a convenient schedule for you

Fuck people schedule stuff

[Lhancelot]

For real 60 wizard looking for guild. Who do I join?

I suggest a guild that doesn't raid? Ok, kidding.

Like other guy said, join a guild that either raids when you can raid, or if you do not value raiding I suggest a guild that has active members on when you play the most.

But only after you reroll. You said 60 wizard right? :)

[bigbard1]

I suggest a guild that doesn't raid? Ok, kidding.

Like other guy said, join a guild that either raids when you can raid, or if you do not value raiding I suggest a guild that has active members on when you play the most.

But only after you reroll. You said 60 wizard right? :)

Yep, it's been pretty fun. Almost finished with crit aas.

[Lhancelot]

Yep, it's been pretty fun. Almost finished with crit aas.

What's your highest MB crit so far?

[Bruno]

Lots of aoe grouping going on now. Wiz a good class to be playing. I might make one for fun.

[Swish]

Last nights kills
Seru x 3
Servitor/Grieg x 3
Vadynn x 3
Insanity Crawler x 3
IV x 3
Shei x 2
Evolved Burrower x 2
Khati Sha x2
Lcea x 2
Doze x 2
Lady N x2
Vulak x 2
Tormax
Vindi
Statue
AOW

I think that was all, it was late

Impressive....well, would be if there was a proper competitive environment over there. As it is you might as well tell me how many kronos you've been farming and selling, perhaps with a nice graph detailing what % is covering your rent.

How about some updates on the latest BDA cash shop item purchases? Phinny is so appealing isnt it?

[big_ole_jpn]

Last nights kills
Seru x 3
Servitor/Grieg x 3
Vadynn x 3
Insanity Crawler x 3
IV x 3
Shei x 2
Evolved Burrower x 2
Khati Sha x2
Lcea x 2
Doze x 2
Lady N x2
Vulak x 2
Tormax
Vindi
Statue
AOW

I think that was all, it was late

i grinded out 17 baal runs last night #beast

[iNteg]

Impressive....well, would be if there was a proper competitive environment over there. As it is you might as well tell me how many kronos you've been farming and selling, perhaps with a nice graph detailing what % is covering your rent.

How about some updates on the latest BDA cash shop item purchases? Phinny is so appealing isnt it?

tired and shitty arguments are tired and shitty? I'm not even in BDA anymore and hearing this is eyerolling-ly boring.

[AzzarTheGod]

I don't understand the x3 - x2 stuff can you repop an instance or boss?

What's the limiting factor? Is it left up to the guilds decision or is there a hardcap on how many times you can chain kill a boss?

[iNteg]

I don't understand the x3 - x2 stuff can you repop an instance or boss?

What's the limiting factor? Is it left up to the guilds decision or is there a hardcap on how many times you can chain kill a boss?

what they're doing is split raiding the mobs, getting 3x instances with a 30 man raid force a piece.

[Swish]

tired and shitty arguments are tired and shitty? I'm not even in BDA anymore and hearing this is eyerolling-ly boring.

Well done on getting out - how many raids did you attend before you realized the system they use is bent and corrupt?

[iNteg]

Well done on getting out - how many raids did you attend before you realized the system they use is bent and corrupt?

what system? officer based looting? the guild I'm in now uses it. it's completely transparant, you see who gets what, what the loot hit is, and attendance. you can ask an officer the reason x got the loot over x and main tanks get priority in new expansions.

[Pokesan]

Impressive....well, would be if there was a proper competitive environment over there. As it is you might as well tell me how many kronos you've been farming and selling, perhaps with a nice graph detailing what % is covering your rent.

How about some updates on the latest BDA cash shop item purchases? Phinny is so appealing isnt it?

I'll have two quarter pounds and a large fry please.

[AzzarTheGod]

what they're doing is split raiding the mobs, getting 3x instances with a 30 man raid force a piece.

Ah got it. Wonder how much benefit that is to be a larger sized guild, and where the "diminishing" returns would be.

Due to the variety of boss choices, and random loot tables, as well as loot being worth..... well wait Fuck all that. Could calculate it by raw loot totals but would still have a playtime variable from guild to guild.

Would be all approximations of how much loot advantage a 120 to 150 man guild is at over a 40-50(30 man for intents and purposes) man guild.

[iNteg]

Ah got it. Wonder how much benefit that is to be a larger sized guild, and where the "diminishing" returns would be.

Due to the variety of boss choices, and random loot tables, as well as loot being worth..... well wait Fuck all that. Could calculate it by raw loot totals but would still have a playtime variable from guild to guild.

Would be all approximations of how much loot advantage a 120 to 150 man guild is at over a 40-50(30 man for intents and purposes) man guild.

Honestly split raiding sucks to me, yeah it gears a large raid force up faster, but doing it with 30 people vs 72 is slow as fuck. hell we did VT with 40 and spent the entire 6 hour instance timer in there slowly chugging through.

[Oleris]

VT tomorrow. 1 week behind because of instances failing. Emperor is probably hardest raid mob due to how many offtanks/chanters are required.

[iNteg]

VT tomorrow. 1 week behind because of instances failing. Emperor is probably hardest raid mob due to how many offtanks/chanters are required.

we were supposed to do emp that week, then VT the next day, we had to wait til monday/tuesday and fuck our raid schedule up. it sucked ass :/

[Swish]

Honestly split raiding sucks to me, yeah it gears a large raid force up faster, but doing it with 30 people vs 72 is slow as fuck. hell we did VT with 40 and spent the entire 6 hour instance timer in there slowly chugging through.

Cant beat a good zerg

[iNteg]

Cant beat a good zerg

k, come with your 20 man force and kill aten blob in era before you're VT/Ssra geared you wont do it.

[big_ole_jpn]

in era

aren't you playing on phinny

[jcr4990]

Impressive....well, would be if there was a proper competitive environment over there. As it is you might as well tell me how many kronos you've been farming and selling, perhaps with a nice graph detailing what % is covering your rent.

How about some updates on the latest BDA cash shop item purchases? Phinny is so appealing isnt it?

Hey fuckstain can you please get banned again? I seriously feel like I lose brain cells when I read any of your posts. When you look at P99 raiding does "proper competitive environment" seriously cross your mind? That just might be the cringiest shit you've ever said.

[skarlorn]

But you aren't actually competing jcr4990;2372035

[jcr4990]

But you aren't actually competing jcr4990;2372035

That's because Everquest is not a competitive game

[skarlorn]

may I point thee to the Department of Fun Rivervale Alleycat Race?

the game is wat u make it. idiot.

[big_ole_jpn]

may I point thee to the Department of Fun Rivervale Alleycat Race?

the game is wat u make it. idiot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6zslvLklyI

[bigbard1]

Got in my first AoE grp in forever and it was a blast.

[Bruno]

Swish was laying low for a while but back in full retard mode. How much money did he scam people out of for his run fund?

[big_ole_jpn]

Swish was laying low for a while but back in full retard mode. How much money did he scam people out of for his run fund?

objection: you are no longer a person if you contribute to a kickstarter

[jcr4990]

Swish was laying low for a while but back in full retard mode. How much money did he scam people out of for his run fund?

By "laying low" you mean "banned"?

[AzzarTheGod]

objection: you are no longer a person if you contribute to a kickstarter

Wat about kickstarter tv? If u donate to KSTV r u still a person?

[AzzarTheGod]

By "laying low" you mean "banned"?

Had me smiling can't deny.

[big_ole_jpn]

Wat about kickstarter tv? If u donate to KSTV r u still a person?

nope not a person (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBNNlyI0Dn4)

[AzzarTheGod]

nope not a person (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBNNlyI0Dn4)

Sweet good thing I pirated everything. Knew I was making the right call in terms of the philosophy of piracy 2070 paradigm shift.

[Kushie]

I paid my mortgage this month by selling my delusional swish tokens

[bigbard1]

Lovin dis AE xp. Got 20AA in this grp in 3 hours or so.

[khysanth]

Lovin dis AE xp. Got 20AA in this grp in 3 hours or so.

so you went full cuck too huh? welcome to phinny ;) :o

[bigbard1]

so you went full cuck too huh? welcome to phinny ;) :o

confirmed full cuck (me)

[AzzarTheGod]

Lovin dis AE xp. Got 20AA in this grp in 3 hours or so.

This is how I felt about Legion. The fun was in the "exploited" leveling w/ new mechanics and balancing, I bought the recommended trinkets, gear slots, spec'd in and rocketed from 90 to 110 with nonstop AOE pulls tank spec in a secret outdoor cave just nonstop bitchslapping mobs endlessly running into new mobs nonstop.

Nothing has felt that good in a long time. AOE feels are a real thing. It doesn't matter what game it is, feels gud man.

Even hearing about AOE viability and wiz role on phinny makes me wanna cuck out.

[burkemi5]

How do the AOE groups work? What zones? Who pulls? Chanters keep it locked down?

[AzzarTheGod]

Guessing bigbard is talking about enchanter lockdown (since this is what we did on live).

As far as the pull mechanics you'll need him to elaborate. I would guess you need to run a beefy tank and a strong healer while hes tagging and zig-zaging pickups....circling to group indoors with only SoW seems skilled as well.

On live back in 2002/2003 whatever, we used to enchanter lockdown entire SSRA mines and other ssra stuff all day. We'd use 2 groups for max safety and alternate the DPS rate to share xp every other pull.

[nicemace]

aoe groups happen anywhere generally where there is less people. seb, the deep, ac, greigs, velks all that jaz.

its just a single group usually, nothing like the p99 chardok thing.

sk / war / whatever just runs around and pulls everything.

[iNteg]

aoe groups happen anywhere generally where there is less people. seb, the deep, ac, greigs, velks all that jaz.

its just a single group usually, nothing like the p99 chardok thing.

sk / war / whatever just runs around and pulls everything.

the pulls aren't as large, because there is a mob tether distance if you outrun it, but the deep and fungus grove are two big AE areas.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Can you still a seb ae, where whole group runs back and forth from chef dining room to disco, ae mez and nuke the train, then rinse and repeat? That used to be a hoot.

[Oleris]

http://i.imgur.com/fMjVmzK.jpg

[skarlorn]

http://i.imgur.com/fMjVmzK.jpg

great, now you have nothing new to do and you're grinding :confused::confused:

[mr_jon3s]

http://i.imgur.com/fMjVmzK.jpg

I asked him what dropped but he wouldn't tell me :mad:

[AzzarTheGod]

I asked him what dropped but he wouldn't tell me :mad:

Plus not streaming? Unban Uuruk already.

[Nirgon]

o man lemme get in on this and wish i didnt

[bigbard1]

Plus not streaming? Unban Uuruk already.

I'm pretty sure Daldaen is or was a was a guide here because i literally did nothing but call him a cuck and got banned.

Yikes

[radda]

It's about that neck

[radda]

I asked him what dropped but he wouldn't tell me :mad:

It's about that neck

[radda]

http://i.imgur.com/fMjVmzK.jpg

I loved getting these on my bard, hardest was tunat.

[AzzarTheGod]

It's about that neck

Doesn't apply

[Ravager]

Impressive....well, would be if there was a proper competitive environment over there. As it is you might as well tell me how many kronos you've been farming and selling, perhaps with a nice graph detailing what % is covering your rent.

How about some updates on the latest BDA cash shop item purchases? Phinny is so appealing isnt it?
Remember when Daybreak had the mods here clean up the boards? Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll do it again and remove Swish for constantly writing disparaging remarks about their very fine gaming products.

[Swish]

Remember when Daybreak had the mods here clean up the boards? Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll do it again and remove Swish for constantly writing disparaging remarks about their very fine gaming products.

Criticism from an EQ audience that likes classic EverQuest over instances, kronos and a cash shop? They'd find that here? Holy shit, I hope nobody tells them to look...

I think you're a few sandwiches short of a picnic :o

[bigbard1]

Remember when Daybreak had the mods here clean up the boards? Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll do it again and remove Swish for constantly writing disparaging remarks about their very fine gaming products.

check out the red side of the forums. A moderator hasn't visited over there in months.

[nhdjoseywales]

the pulls aren't as large, because there is a mob tether distance if you outrun it, but the deep and fungus grove are two big AE areas.

it takes work is all, we were doing 170+ pulls in the deep

[Daldaen]

Got up to 34 this weekend. I look forward to getting 40 and then leaching in these sweet sweet PBAE Groups.

[Izmael]

Lol @ Luclin items, mobs, zones, models and textures.

Lolclin.

[bigbard1]

Lol @ Luclin items, mobs, zones, models and textures.

Lolclin.

Lol @ playing p99 stuck in velious forever

[Ravager]

Criticism from an EQ audience that likes classic EverQuest over instances, kronos and a cash shop? They'd find that here? Holy shit, I hope nobody tells them to look...

I think you're a few sandwiches short of a picnic :o
There's criticism and then there's smearing their product and their customers. But nuance is something you've never been able to comprehend. ;):);):p:rolleyes::o:cool::cool::D

[khysanth]

Lol @ playing p99 stuck in velious forever

you've come a long way from p99, proud of you!

[Freakish]

Testing my sig

[Izmael]

Lol @ playing p99 stuck in velious forever

Stuck in EQ at its best, feels goog.

You have to raid VT.

Lolclin.

[Daldaen]

You're not stuck in PoP forever, I'm afraid you're not in EQ at its best.

[derpcake]

GoD mountain trials best group content ever. You did not pass that with 1 weak group member, it just wasn't going to happen.

[Pumpedup]

can do vxed and tipt with ench clr ranger actually

[Daldaen]

can do vxed and tipt with ench clr ranger actually

Don't even need the ranger really with some luck.

But there are very few Enchanter's who could handle a charmed pooka properly. Way too many of them were retards.

Not kiting their pet on breaks, not tashing their pet, not rooting the mob they're fighting, sitting next to a pet that could one round them, etc.

[derpcake]

can do vxed and tipt with ench clr ranger actually

i'm sure its all trivial now but when the content was new 99% of players weren't capable of making a group that could handle it

[bigbard1]

can do vxed and tipt with ench clr ranger actually

welp RIP this thread. Pumped is here. Guy is a complete butter brainer.

[Spyder73]

welp RIP this thread. Pumped is here. Guy is a complete butter brainer.

This thread has been hot trash for at least 350 pages now. You are not helping the cause with your Hillary avatar and homo-erotic posting either.

[AzzarTheGod]

Lol @ Luclin items, mobs, zones, models and textures.

Lolclin.

You can't say that Velious was core EQ design. Luclin is what EQ meant to be all along, because it was their first major budgeted expansion pack with the most money invested and the most minds involved in creating it.

Luclin was the first time SOE fleshed out a major AAA development team.

There was so much money and design happening, it overstimulated Brad McQuaid's vaccine brain, and he had to leave the company 2 weeks before Luclin launched.

That's how much design there was.


Im whipping in the Luclin kitchen, you on probation for life in velious. scream at me.

[thufir]

Lol @ playing p99 stuck in velious forever
consider moving on to some other game than playing one during its going-to-shit stage

I will never understand why people seem to think your only options are p99 or progression. play a game until it isn't fun any more, then move on. there are reasons to do things that are less than pleasant with your free time. none of those reasons apply to eq. you aren't ever "stuck" playing it.

when velious bores me I will play something else, and all of you should too, even if that something else is a phinigel progression server or w/e. if you thought luclin was awesome you have your opportunity to get that on several servers. quitting eq isn't gonna leave some giant hole in your heart that you'll have an issue filling. it's a game like many others.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Don't even need the ranger really with some luck.

But there are very few Enchanter's who could handle a charmed pooka properly. Way too many of them were retards.

Not kiting their pet on breaks, not tashing their pet, not rooting the mob they're fighting, sitting next to a pet that could one round them, etc.

Sometimes it comes down to wanting to play to relax. Also, both of the zones in question, if I remember correctly, also did not have enough mobs during primetime. And finally, if you tended to play in PUG's, who needs the added stress of hoping the other members of your group aren't slackin?

Retard is a little harsh. I'd rather never wipe than try to prove my chanter epeen is real, and fabulous. Maybe "lazy" is a more fair term hehe.

[Kushie]

I had too much starbucks and i'm feeling kinda weird from the caffeine.

How was your Monday p99? Is the never ending velious still fun?

[Murri]

I'm still having fun... Still farming for that guardian robe

[fan D]

this is the 3rd most viewed thread of all time, grats to all involved

[fan D]

in RNF that is

[Lojik]

Also 2nd most replied thread of all forums

[jcr4990]

Also 2nd most replied thread of all forums

Soon to be 1st in all categories

/bow

[Pokesan]

Soon to be 1st in all categories

/bow

#1 homo thread

[skarlorn]

got no complaints bout dat

[jcr4990]

#1 homo thread

http://i.imgur.com/IpEITpm.jpg

[Pokesan]

http://i.imgur.com/IpEITpm.jpg

#1 triggered thread

[arsenalpow]

Another emp kill, probably VT in a week or so when everyone gets around to finishing their keys. I finally got my first Luclin upgrade, shiny new fangs from the cursed cycle to go with my gharns. Now I can bag that obnoxious Tunare fist.

[skarlorn]

what class do you play on phinny?

[bouncerr 2.0]

cringy 2 the max

[bdastomper58]

cringy 2 the max

turn off your webcam

[Kushie]

http://i.imgur.com/mgF86Pp.gifv

[Raev]

Soon to be 1st in all categories

/bow

Need a bit more Swish to take us to 5000 posts!

[Murri]

http://i.imgur.com/dQNccVG.gif

[skarlorn]

I had a fun time playing classic in Auld Lang Syne. Got to try out a necromancer. Really fun class, ERU has a nice flavor

[sirelothar]

Another emp kill, probably VT in a week or so when everyone gets around to finishing their keys. I finally got my first Luclin upgrade, shiny new fangs from the cursed cycle to go with my gharns. Now I can bag that obnoxious Tunare fist.

u still look gay just like I said fyi

[Ravager]

Need a bit more Swish to take us to 5000 posts!
Just copy and paste his posts from the last 5 years. Same difference.

[bigbard1]

Had fun on my first Emp kill. Not sad I skipped Velious and most of Kunark now. Luclin is so refreshing.

[khysanth]

which guild did you join

[Daldaen]

Another emp kill, probably VT in a week or so when everyone gets around to finishing their keys. I finally got my first Luclin upgrade, shiny new fangs from the cursed cycle to go with my gharns. Now I can bag that obnoxious Tunare fist.

Wow. Grats on the pixels chest.

Got to level 35 yesterday. 5 more levels til I can leach off AA groups!

[jcr4990]

Wow. Grats on the pixels chest.

Got to level 35 yesterday. 5 more levels til I can leach off AA groups!

Saw you in Nexus yesterday think u were afk tho. Glad you decided to give it a shot :)

[Daldaen]

You witnessed me AFK after the first port someone paid my Druid for.

Lols to everyone who thinks the Nexus kills Druid/wizard porting desirability.

[Izmael]

Zoning into Shadowhaven and seeing all these good old NPC's and hearing that nice music, literally brought tears to my eyes from all the nostalgia.

Said noone ever.

[Spyder73]

In my brief stent on Phinny I was in EoE - glad to hear they are d!ck punching you and other BDA undesirables.

[burkemi5]

Zoning into Shadowhaven and seeing all these good old NPC's and hearing that nice music, literally brought tears to my eyes from all the nostalgia.

Said noone ever.

Really couldn't disagree more. My best EQ live memories were from luclin and pop. I remember being in SH and no one knew where anything was. I remember volunteering to guide people around and show how to get to the baz and PC. I remember going to PC on launch day with a friend before it was cool and messing around. Luclin was the shit.

[khysanth]

every guild has its assholes... I think AoS and OGC have the most but EoE is up there too, followed closely by BDA ofc

[AzzarTheGod]

Really couldn't disagree more. My best EQ live memories were from luclin and pop. I remember being in SH and no one knew where anything was. I remember volunteering to guide people around and show how to get to the baz and PC. I remember going to PC on launch day with a friend before it was cool and messing around. Luclin was the shit.

Signed. Iconic bosses and zone design.

I remember thinking the bazaar was incredible. Loved the feeling of having all these items at my disposal and forcing vendors to directly compete.

No artificial inflation. Fungi is inflated due to no bazaar uve been lied to on blue kid.

[big_ole_jpn]

Signed. Iconic bosses and zone design.

I remember thinking the bazaar was incredible. Loved the feeling of having all these items at my disposal and forcing vendors to directly compete.

No artificial inflation. Fungi is inflated due to no bazaar uve been lied to on blue kid.

velious been out like 1 month on redacted server and lodi shield is 7k. fungi is 40k.

[AzzarTheGod]

velious been out like 1 month on redacted server and lodi shield is 7k. fungi is 40k.

they've been getting bullshitted on blue for years now.

with the lower pop of blue especially now more than ever.

[AzzarTheGod]

bazaar protects us from the evil bullshitter scumbags in EC.

Auction tracker bots aren't enough to stop the bullshit, people thought it might help and it barely made a dent. You need direct vendor competition ala Bazaar. Bazaar was the real marketplace.

Not some fat fingered cheeto nerd incel calling the shots on who gets what at what price.

[bigbard1]

bazaar protects us from the evil bullshitter scumbags in EC.

Auction tracker bots aren't enough to stop the bullshit, people thought it might help and it barely made a dent. You need direct vendor competition ala Bazaar. Bazaar was the real marketplace.

Not some fat fingered cheeto nerd incel calling the shots on who gets what at what price.

Syft, how did you go from such a shit poster to this?

[jcr4990]

bazaar protects us from the evil bullshitter scumbags in EC.

Auction tracker bots aren't enough to stop the bullshit, people thought it might help and it barely made a dent. You need direct vendor competition ala Bazaar. Bazaar was the real marketplace.

Not some fat fingered cheeto nerd incel calling the shots on who gets what at what price.

Agree completely. EC rats fuck the economy up so bad. Prices on almost everything went from retarded to pretty reasonable once Baz opened up. Love to see what P99 prices would do without artificial EC-flation.

[khysanth]

rip schnickasaurus or whatever his name is... he'd never be able to make a living on phinny :D

[bigbard1]

Agree completely. EC rats fuck the economy up so bad. Prices on almost everything went from retarded to pretty reasonable once Baz opened up. Love to see what P99 prices would do without artificial EC-flation.

Phinny is so much better with bazaar than shit99 tunnel quest.

[maskedmelon]

I was going to check this out. Got it all downloaded and everything. I even logged in to server select, but saw no Phinny. I find it telling though that after how many times it's been asked, NOBODY has been willing to address this very simple question...


https://i.imgur.com/awjZRMO.png


now tell me about how the "buy now" button is for aesthetics only and you can't actually buy the item

[arsenalpow]

I was going to check this out. Got it all downloaded and everything. I even logged in to server select, but saw no Phinny. I find it telling though that after how many times it's been asked, NOBODY has been willing to address this very simple question...

gotta be premium, sign up for a month of sub

[nyclin]

the "buy now" button is for aesthetics only and you can't actually buy the item

[arsenalpow]

Khati Sha down, just missing VT stuff to clean out Luclin

[burkemi5]

Phinny is so much better with bazaar than shit99 tunnel quest.

You on what, when you're not calling everyone a cuck, you're a pretty cool guy.

[Swish]

Agree completely. EC rats fuck the economy up so bad. Prices on almost everything went from retarded to pretty reasonable once Baz opened up. Love to see what P99 prices would do without artificial EC-flation.

Shits classic though, unlike kronos and cash shops

[bigbard1]

Shits classic though, unlike kronos and cash shops

It's not a classic server moron.

[Kabobtik]

I was going to check this out. Got it all downloaded and everything. I even logged in to server select, but saw no Phinny. I find it telling though that after how many times it's been asked, NOBODY has been willing to address this very simple question...

That is a Visual Augmentation Slot. Basically if you do not like the way a piece of gear looks on your character you can go into the virtual store and buy an ornamentation that looks better. Once you have bought it with day break cash you can insert the augmentation into the slot. Doing so will make the item look like the ornamentation instead of the original piece.