BDA to Phinigel

[Lammy]

it's kind of a sad ending

[feanan]

Can't believe some of you can even use the word "compete" with a straight face when talking about this server.

[jcr4990]

Take Chest's signature as an example of BDA's mentality...

http://i.imgur.com/3Bingwu.png

"Crush the rotation"

"See the lesser guilds driven before us"



Followed by... "wut, no welfare pixels in Velious? I quit"

Sorry it didn't work out for you - perhaps if you'd ironed out the rotation problems there'd have been more of an appetite between guilds (that you didn't destroy) to work things out

:o

http://i.imgur.com/40ErMst.jpg

Delusion definition: an idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality or rational argument, typically a symptom of mental disorder.

[jcr4990]

Another symptom of mental disorder: posting 14,157 times on the forums of a game you haven't actively played in months/years

[Swish]

Delusion definition: an idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality or rational argument, typically a symptom of mental disorder.

Give me your version of what happened. This should be good.

[Ravager]

I mean, I totally get going to Phinny. It has two expansions that are generally recognized as pretty good. It doesn't have insane FTE poopsocking. It's the best decision for BDA. But the harsh reality is that BDA failed on basically every level possible here.


If succeeding meant dissolving your guild and being absorbed into a zerg for 6 months until it burned itself out, all the while spending 99% of your in game time preparing or waiting for 10 minutes of game to happen, I think failure is the more attractive outcome. BDA may have left for Phinny, but BDA is still BDA. How's the A-Team doing these days?

[Samoht]

BDA even failed at the Ring War multiple times with 70+ players

Oh noes! BDA failed at an event that was severely hamstrung by game-breaking bugs! They must have been terrible raiders.

You and Swish should find a room. I hope you like tiny British dick.

[jcr4990]

If succeeding meant dissolving your guild and being absorbed into a zerg for 6 months until it burned itself out, all the while spending 99% of your in game time preparing or waiting for 10 minutes of game to happen, I think failure is the more attractive outcome. BDA may have left for Phinny, but BDA is still BDA. How's the A-Team doing these days?

Yikes that hit a little close to home. Have no problem with u Loraen but gotta agree with Ravager here. Doesn't exactly take a lot of effort or hard work to "succeed" by just merging your guild with the #1 guild and piggybacking their success. If you don't think BDA could've merged into Ramp or FA in early Velious and become "successful" you're insane. Literally any of the casual guilds could likely have done the same thing had they tried. In fact I'm 99.9% sure Dottedup had attempted to absorb every casual guild that existed during his time.

[Nibblewitz]

This dude literally said on Sirken's stream that within the rotation, the name of the game is having a thin raid force to maximize pixel attainment; "doing more with less."

Then folds into the competitive zerg.

Credibility zero.

[Swish]

Doesn't exactly take a lot of effort or hard work to "succeed" by just merging your guild with the #1 guild and piggybacking their success. If you don't think BDA could've merged into Ramp or FA in early Velious and become "successful" you're insane.

BDA merge with another guild? Shit, the new guys wouldn't have any pixels for over 8 months.

[jcr4990]

BDA merge with another guild? Shit, the new guys wouldn't have any pixels for over 8 months.

Quite obvious you haven't played this game beyond the first week of Velious. BDA up until the swap to Phinny had been the raid force with the least amount of players on the entire server. A/A/Anonity/CSG all had significantly more players than us on average. It's astonishing how wrong you are about almost everything you say.

[Raev]

Oh zing, I must have struck a nerve there.

If succeeding meant dissolving your guild and being absorbed into a zerg for 6 months until it burned itself out, all the while spending 99% of your in game time preparing or waiting for 10 minutes of game to happen, I think failure is the more attractive outcome. BDA may have left for Phinny, but BDA is still BDA. How's the A-Team doing these days?
Wait a minute. I a) stopped banging my head against the wall trying to get the staff to implement a rotation and or favor the casual guilds b) got my velious pixels c) basically never tracked d) no longer have to do a huge amount of unpaid work as a guild leader. And you are somehow saying this was a failure on my part? How, exactly?

Doesn't exactly take a lot of effort or hard work to "succeed" by just merging your guild with the #1 guild and piggybacking their success. If you don't think BDA could've merged into Ramp or FA in early Velious and become "successful" you're insane.
I don't think Rampage would have wanted BDA. Forsaken was recruiting everyone with a pulse, though. But I don't really see why FB would have done better than FA against Rampage. Worse, probably.

[Swish]

Right, the "casually hardcore" mentality wouldn't have fit...better to keep your self importance with a prime seat at the loot council table and have numerous new recruits bending the knee than be a nobody in a higher up guild.

amirite?

[Raev]

This dude literally said on Sirken's stream that within the rotation, the name of the game is having a thin raid force to maximize pixel attainment; "doing more with less."

Then folds into the competitive zerg.

Credibility zero.

Within a rotation, you get more pixels. Without, you need to zerg for variance. I don't see why this is hard for you to understand.

[Man0warr]

I still remember that time BDA tried to help A-Team wit Trakanon one morning and Raev had no clue how to split mobs out of his room without training the raid.

Truly one of the worst played monks on the server. But he did get into Rampage in time to get Fungi robe, so I guess that's a victory.

[Nibblewitz]

Oh, I understand. The captain of the sinking ship is always guaranteed a lifeboat.

[jcr4990]

I don't think Rampage would have wanted BDA. Forsaken was recruiting everyone with a pulse, though. But I don't really see why FB would have done better than FA against Rampage. Worse, probably.

Rampage wouldn't want BDA and that's why the leader of Rampage and several officers joined BDA after they split up. Makes total sense!

As for your other point about Asgard doing better than BDA would have with Forsaken. I really don't know what you're even talking about. Has Asgard ever done better than BDA when they were on their own? Not that I can remember but admittedly I took a decently long break before Velious came out.

[xKoopa]

56 pages

Yikes

[Swish]

I still remember that time BDA tried to help A-Team wit Trakanon one morning and Raev had no clue how to split mobs out of his room without training the raid.

This happens in casual guilds... and it's a great thing. You know, newer era players and raiders learning content for the first time.

This mentality is the reason BDA went for the pixel grab... "they can't do what we can do, lets set the bar higher".

Then when you flip the switch in Velious, "we're not as good as A/A...we need raid concessions or a rotation"

Doesn't work both ways, sorry about that. Biggest hypocrit guild on the server, and they shot themselves in the foot for short term gains. Karma eh?

Glad they're having fun on Phinny, they'll continue to look in here daily - I don't mind reminding them of their bad decisions towards the end of Kunark.

Now lets stick to the meta and have a few BDA guys post below to drown out the truth and attempt some bad spin.

[Sodors Finest Poster]

Has Asgard ever done better than BDA when they were on their own? Not that I can remember but admittedly I took a decently long break before Velious came out.

How many threads were made about Asgard being dicks compared to BDA?

http://i.imgur.com/U0bfNeB.jpg

[Raev]

I still remember that time BDA tried to help A-Team wit Trakanon one morning and Raev had no clue how to split mobs out of his room without training the raid.
I told people to hide around the corner and checked that they were, but Kekephee just had to peek <shrug> Typical BDA blaming their own mistakes on others.

Rampage wouldn't want BDA and that's why the leader of Rampage and several officers joined BDA after they split up. Makes total sense!
This is not the same and you're smart enough to know it.

Anyway, suppose BDA had not broken up the rotation, and it had continued until Velious launch. Do you think things would be different now, or not?

[Juevento]

How many threads were made about Asgard being dicks compared to BDA?

I can think of a couple that I personally piloted. Remember the whole Asgard are TMO alts thing? That's gotta be a fair number of threads right there.

[Spyder73]

Asgard has always been above reproach - Our glorious leader Pint (who denies being leader) lead us to victory over you scum bags numerous times

[EvilQuest]

I mean, BDA for years was selling themselves as 'we are the good guys, we could beat TMO but we won't stoop to their level of training etc'. When they blew up the rotation, they had to reindoctrinate their cult (hence all the 'NWO' propaganda about how Hulk Hogan went into his 'heel' phase and so on) and made a lot of noise about how the rotation was making guilds 'soft'. Then Velious launched and BDA was forced to confront the reality that they just weren't able to compete with either Rampage or F/A. BDA even failed at the Ring War multiple times with 70+ players, when with strategy it can be done with <50 and variance isn't an excuse there. And since the staff removed the R/C system (since they didn't feel like giving BDA/Divinity/Taken, three C sized guilds, a free rotation on Velious) BDA was simply stuck.

I mean, I totally get going to Phinny. It has two expansions that are generally recognized as pretty good. It doesn't have insane FTE poopsocking. It's the best decision for BDA. But the harsh reality is that BDA failed on basically every level possible here.

And yes, I know that Cloki formed Omni like 6 months before the rotation ended. Again, I was in the FAP forum reading the posts. In fact somewhere someone crossposted Chest's ragepost against omni to RNF. So you can read it yourself.

thx for share, zergling

[Man0warr]

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Anyway, suppose BDA had not broken up the rotation, and it had continued until Velious launch. Do you think things would be different now, or not?

Not one bit. Rogean/Nilbog/Sirken all said as much in Velious preview streams that they were getting rid of the Class system, and they obviously don't care enough to revisit it.

[Ravager]

Wait a minute. I a) stopped banging my head against the wall trying to get the staff to implement a rotation and or favor the casual guilds b) got my velious pixels c) basically never tracked d) no longer have to do a huge amount of unpaid work as a guild leader. And you are somehow saying this was a failure on my part? How, exactly?

You said BDA failed. I remarked that BDA still exists and is having fun. I implied A-Team failed, because it no longer exists. I didn't say you failed, in fact, what I wrote was my estimation of your definition of success. So congrats.

And I stand by my statement that failure is the preferential option in this case, because BDA is still BDA and friends are still playing video games with friends. 6 months, a year or years from now, BDA is quite likely to still be doing BDA things and having fun doing it. Can't say the same for many other guilds.

[Ravager]

Anyway, suppose BDA had not broken up the rotation, and it had continued until Velious launch. Do you think things would be different now, or not?

You'd be belly-aching less, but fundamentally, no.

[jcr4990]

Ya literally the only difference would be Swish would have less meaningless shit to bitch about. End result exactly the same.

[Swish]

Anyway, suppose BDA had not broken up the rotation, and it had continued until Velious launch. Do you think things would be different now, or not?

I think the staff might have been more inclined to keep the players enjoying a player made agreement, for sure.

Maybe there'll be something for emerging casual guilds in the future? By that I don't mean established guilds (all of the old Class R ones).

The saddest thing about P99 I think is still the chokehold existing guilds have on content...there's not much chance for progression for leveling guilds with their sights set on starting to raid. I'd include Clue, Fires of Heaven, Venerate, maybe Veloci Shift in that bracket at the moment. If they can hold their members, I think it bodes well for a healthy casual raid scene in the future.

[zanderklocke]

I still remember that time BDA tried to help A-Team wit Trakanon one morning and Raev had no clue how to split mobs out of his room without training the raid.

Truly one of the worst played monks on the server. But he did get into Rampage in time to get Fungi robe, so I guess that's a victory.

To be fair, Loraen just started playing monk at that point. He's drastically better now.

Loraen is a nice guy with something interesting ideas on how to do mobs with lower numbers, but he probably shouldn't have been a guild leader of the A-Team after leaving the first time. He went through these phases where he got sick of not doing targets with the A-Team, left for IB, got burned out in IB, came back to the A-Team, then repeat by actually bringing the guild to IB to form Rampage. Now, Loraen is back in his raid burned out phase. Ha.

The original A-Team would have been super fun in Velious, but somehow the class system got all these new people in A-Team that quickly became officers and changed the direction of the guild. Honestly, Svenn, Maurice, Tecmos, and Save were probably the best A-Team officers because they didn't care about getting big targets and instead enjoyed "playing the game".

Raiding with Rampage seriously for like 3-4 weeks in Kunark was probably the least fun I have had on this server, no offense to the people in that guild. It just involved camping out and tracking in VP. I had to borrow someone's level 60 bard just to be able to do most of the targets since Zanderr was camped out in VP. Super boring and impossible to play competitively if you don't have two 60 characters or alts.

[Swish]

Ya literally the only difference would be Swish would have less meaningless shit to bitch about. End result exactly the same.

If it's so meaningless, why are you and your BDA pals so worked up about it and replying in droves despite leaving the server?

I'm hitting a nerve somewhere.

[zanderklocke]

Loraen is a nice guy with some interesting ideas on how to do mobs with lower numbers, but he probably shouldn't have been a guild leader of the A-Team after leaving the first time. He went through these phases where he got sick of not doing targets with the A-Team, left for IB, got burned out in IB, came back to the A-Team, then repeat by actually bringing the guild to IB to form Rampage. Now, Loraen is back in his raid burned out phase. Ha.

[FatMice]

You said BDA failed. I remarked that BDA still exists and is having fun. I implied A-Team failed, because it no longer exists. I didn't say you failed, in fact, what I wrote was my estimation of your definition of success. So congrats.

And I stand by my statement that failure is the preferential option in this case, because BDA is still BDA and friends are still playing video games with friends. 6 months, a year or years from now, BDA is quite likely to still be doing BDA things and having fun doing it. Can't say the same for many other guilds.

That's a strong core "click" right there. Glad I never went the guild that was a clearly a fair Loot Council.

[Raev]

Not one bit. Rogean/Nilbog/Sirken all said as much in Velious preview streams that they were getting rid of the Class system, and they obviously don't care enough to revisit it.

For sure they were not going to extend R/C to Velious. But do you think they were going to delete it for Kunark too, and was this before or after BDA blew up the rotation? And even if they did, I think the chance of them reenabling it would have be at least non-zero if the rotation didn't end as acrimoniously as it did.

[Nibblewitz]

For sure they were not going to extend R/C to Velious. But do you think they were going to delete it for Kunark too, and was this before or after BDA blew up the rotation? And even if they did, I think the chance of them reenabling it would have be at least non-zero if the rotation didn't end as acrimoniously as it did.

Indeed, when Sirken supported BDA's move to reform the rotation.

[Man0warr]

If it's so meaningless, why are you and your BDA pals so worked up about it and replying in droves despite leaving the server?

I'm hitting a nerve somewhere.

You misunderstand. P99 RnF is just something to do while at work - and Phinny/Live EQ don't really have anything like it to take up my time on a slow work day.

There's really only a few of us still posting here. The vast vast majority of BDA didn't care about RnF before and still don't now.

[Troubled]

It's too bad Taken/BDA/Div were the only guilds that wanted a fair rotation or maybe in Velious things would have been different for the casual guilds. Shame on the rotation exploiters for not complying with change for the better.

[Man0warr]

That's a strong core "click" right there. Glad I never went the guild that was a clearly a fair Loot Council.

Clique? There's over 100 people in BDA on Phinigel, only a handful of people stuck with P99. It's no clique, it's BDA's entire active community. Note I said community - BDA isn't defined by P99.

We've even got some Anon/Div/Europa/Rampage players in the Phinny guild who are also done with P99.

[Legday]

P99 RnF is just something to do while at work

[thufir]

Oh I must be seething here, account 19004 :rolleyes:

No anger in me at all, just a quest to keep the truth documented and not drowned out. A noble quest, more noble than "fire shots at Swish and see if he replies kek"

I wonder what he'll reply with next.

this is exactly why swish is so tiresome

fanatics are always tiresome

we don't even get the joy of him realizing at the end of his life that he wasted all this time, because he'll go to his grave thinking he's fought the good fight, no matter how many people tell him otherwise

just more noise for everyone else's signal, and not even ignorelisting helps it because of all the replies his trolls get =(

[Swish]

Clique? There's over 100 people in BDA on Phinigel, only a handful of people stuck with P99. It's no clique, it's BDA's entire active community. Note I said community - BDA isn't defined by P99.

We've even got some Anon/Div/Europa/Rampage players in the Phinny guild who are also done with P99.

Yet you're all still here, in spirit :)

[Nirgon]

I can't get a fungi robe so I'm making my guild play a live server

[Swish]

I can't get a fungi robe so I'm making my guild play a live server

with the loot council system in place im sure

[jcr4990]

with the loot council system in place im sure

I tried to get BDA to switch to a RSP (Rustle Swish Points) system for loot but my idea was shot down. Every time you Rustle Swish on RNF and make him cry about a meaningless rotation at the end of a 5 year expansion that was inevitably going away anyway you get +1 RSP.

I'd get soooooooooo many pixels

[Swish]

I tried to get BDA to switch to a RSP (Rustle Swish Points) system for loot but my idea was shot down. Every time you Rustle Swish on RNF and make him cry about a meaningless rotation at the end of a 5 year expansion that was inevitably going away anyway you get +1 RSP.

I'd get soooooooooo many pixels

Still mad about the truth lol, keep replying... its awesome <3

[Komodon]

I can't get a fungi robe so I'm making my guild play a live server

He'd have about the same chance of seeing one on Phinny as he does here, since that won't make it out of the first month with the increased spawn rates.

WTS Full monk epic MQ there btw once you get 46 Chest, for that shiny pixel post update. 40 krono obo :)

[Swish]

get your wallet out (again) lol

[Anichek]

I don't think Rampage would have wanted BDA.

I don't think you're right.

[jcr4990]

get your wallet out (again) lol

Not a huge issue unless hypothetically u were homeless and relied on mcdonalds wifi to forumquest or something.

[Anichek]

I think the staff might have been more inclined to keep the players enjoying a player made agreement, for sure.

Nope.

[Mistle]

If I had known ending the rotation would break Swish's brain this badly I would have pushed to end it months earlier. But TBH I am still not convinced he has figured out it was ending in Velious anyways yet.

[Swish]

BDA = not here, not relevant, not coming back.

Yet holy shit they love this thread lol.

Hi Fieldfare :)

[Nibblewitz]

Oh noes, he's pouring over our forum histories and uprooting our "anon" accounts.

[Ravager]

Oh noes, he's pouring over our forum histories and uprooting our "anon" accounts.

Shut up, Filbus.

[Mistle]

BDA = not here, not relevant, not coming back.

Yet holy shit they love this thread lol.

Why wouldn't we? It's incredibly amusing seeing people blabber on about how we "gave up", sitting where we are now. It's incredible to me now how pointless putting up with Sirken's incompetence for this long really was. Quite simply, if you're staying here on p99 to raid Everquest, there's something fucking wrong with you.

As icing on the cake, we get you, posting every ten minutes, and being, well, wrong about everything. That's entertainment.

Hi Fieldfare :)

Get fucked you weird cunt

[Nirgon]

Blue is the best and most popular EQ server

Hope Sirken doesn't get any more or less competent tbh

[Gitem]

reported for staff slander

[Ravager]

If Sirken spent as much time GMing as he did doing shitty podcasts that four people listened to, there would probably be less Airing of Grievances and more Feats of Strength.

[Swish]

If Sirken spent as much time GMing as he did doing shitty podcasts that four people listened to, there would probably be less Airing of Grievances and more Feats of Strength.

This is a great example of BDA bending the truth to make their point. Thought I saw nearly 100 on the last one and they're usually on too late for me to watch.

Remember though, p99 is dying now BDA left. Oh no :(

You're all turning into Greengrocers it seems.

[Sodors Finest Poster]

Lets be fair here.

Sirken works on a server which has no instancing and far too many max level characters and unemployed's.

Phinigel has raid and zone instances and a much newer level player base (many people are still leveling, imagine that).

[Pokesan]

...

all your posts are like this apparently.

what in the world are you so butthurt for?

[Leontius]

You guys are welcome to criticize Sirken's streams, compare him to an ugly kid from high school, or get mad about how he moderates the raid scene on this server.

However, this...
Implying favoritism by members of the Project 1999 Staff - Implying that Guides, GM's, or Developers will show favor towards one or more parties involved in any given situation. This includes, but is not limited to, using threats of retribution or inferring that you will not be held accountable for your actions due to special consideration....is not acceptable. Keep that in mind.

[xexbis0]

See you all in the snow....again!

[Sodors Finest Poster]

Word in Sodor is that Velious unlocked a week early on Phinny and BDA is still missing out on Velious pixels.

http://i.imgur.com/c7v5pSz.png

[Swish]

How many sleepers will YOU wake up on instanced everquest?

[Spyder73]

You guys are welcome to criticize Sirken's streams, compare him to an ugly kid from high school, or get mad about how he moderates the raid scene on this server.

Dear Sirken,

Your streams remind me of the ugly cuckhold b!tch downs kid we used to beat the sh!t out of high school for being a fat fgt f#ck. Your moderation of the raid scene is sh!t and I hope that both you and your computer catch a virus.

JK love you boo

#OneLove

[Swish]

Dear Sirken,

Your streams remind me of the ugly cuckhold b!tch downs kid we used to beat the sh!t out of high school for being a fat fgt f#ck. Your moderation of the raid scene is sh!t and I hope that both you and your computer catch a virus.

JK love you boo

#OneLove

If he's not suspended for this its only because "lol jk"

[Nirgon]

without cucks there can be no alphas

thank a cuck today

[Red_Psyphon]

Dear Sirken,

Your streams remind me of the ugly cuckhold b!tch downs kid we used to beat the sh!t out of high school for being a fat fgt f#ck. Your moderation of the raid scene is sh!t and I hope that both you and your computer catch a virus.

JK love you boo

#OneLove

^ all sorts of retarded

[Raev]

Spyder is only funny about 1/3 of the time sadly

We need Tiggles

[Thana8088]

We need Tiggles


....like we need a hole in the head?


Felt like an incomplete thought.

[arsenalpow]

Spyder is only funny about 1/3 of the time sadly

We need Tiggles

Saw him on Phinny. Did not interact.

[Nihilist_santa]

Saw him on Phinny. Did not interact.

Hard to be aware of everything with that cash shop in your face all the time.

[Raev]

Tiggles had some decent troll threads. He was of course full of shit 90% of the time, but so many people take the raid scene so seriously that they just weren't able to control themselves.

[Nibblewitz]

Pissfingers was good people for sure.

[EvilQuest]

big dom was a beast of a boy with tits that don't quit mmm hotter than maerilith

[derpcake]

Tiggles tried to get close to a heroin hooker belonging to J49

no respect

[Priceline]

without cucks there can be no alphas

thank a cuck today

http://i.imgur.com/Q2xjmkE.jpg

[Archalen]

without cucks there can be no alphas

thank a cuck today

http://i.imgur.com/lweiy5C.png

[Alenon]

one thing that annoys the heck out of me here, when you click an item to check stats, that new window for looking at stats, cant stand it, is there a way to get the old window back?

[Sodors Finest Poster]

one thing that annoys the heck out of me here, when you click an item to check stats, that new window for looking at stats, cant stand it, is there a way to get the old window back?

I logged into my old server.

Killed an orc pawn, he dropped some defiant thing.

The stats were like NToV good or something, it was stupid.

[Sodors Finest Poster]

Thats my story, thanks for reading guys.

[Ravager]

I logged into my old server.

Killed an orc pawn, he dropped some defiant thing.

The stats were like NToV good or something, it was stupid.

I tried live again a while back, soloed a monk to 15 in about a day at the end of which I had a set of defiant, some of which would be best in slot here. I agree it was stupid.

[TheDuck]

http://i.imgur.com/Q2xjmkE.jpg

hey nirgon wana see something? brb

[TheDuck]

i saved every single bottle you sent me, without the doc i wouldn't have been able to level 30 lvl 60s with everything inbetween. thank you nirgon !

http://i.imgur.com/ybHKTD2.jpg

[Swish]

lol

[Rick Sanchez]

Agatha, get your shit together. Stop being a unemployed drug addict who lives at home with is mother at a disturbing age.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tGL-buZ94Y

[TheDuck]

umm, lets go thru this RICK. ok RICK? listen RICK. According to you I don't have a job(A+ imo) and I do drugs( Fuck ya, don't have to work and im high alll day A+), and ur saying that living with my mother is bad( rent free, i'd never talk to anyone besides my mom IRL anyways so what does it matter if i don't have my own house? im so socially inept it doesn't matter i couldn't move out if i wanted to A+) and im only 28(im still young, i have my whole life ahead of me if i want to still live like this for another 2 years and then get serious about life then i have a better plan than most people my age A+)

now thats assuming any of what you said is true lol.

[Nirgon]

Phil I sent you that looted pharmacy in confidence

what a grand betrayal

[Alenon]

Well if anyone knows a way to get the old item window back on there, can't stand that new box

[Relbaic]

Well if anyone knows a way to get the old item window back on there, can't stand that new box

It sucks for now but when items start getting more stats the new window will make it easier to read

[TheDuck]

Phil I sent you that looted pharmacy in confidence

what a grand betrayal

im sorry doc i thought it was a coo pic. LOL

[jcr4990]

Ding 50. Already earned enough pp just selling a couple random items to pay for a krono for next months subscription and I still have like 15 days left on my original months sub. Anyone that's only holding off on Phinny cause they don't want to pay a subscription fee. Seriously just pay 1 month and you can EASILY earn enough plat to keep your sub going without spending any more money out of pocket with a little effort.

[Lojik]

No thanks, sounds like work. I'll just keep staring at walls for 40+ hours each week

[jcr4990]

No thanks, sounds like work. I'll just keep staring at walls for 40+ hours each week

Sounds like a well thought out logical plan. Good luck with it sir.

[Swish]

Ding 50. Already earned enough pp just selling a couple random items to pay for a krono for next months subscription and I still have like 15 days left on my original months sub. Anyone that's only holding off on Phinny cause they don't want to pay a subscription fee. Seriously just pay 1 month and you can EASILY earn enough plat to keep your sub going without spending any more money out of pocket with a little effort.

I'd rather set up my own PEQ server and play 1 player mode on that.

Have fun with your boxer pals, RMT weapons and loot council setup. Be sure to let us know about the raid scene when you get there. I can't wait to hear about it. Maybe you could get everyone to pool $2 a month and raffle off some RMT items to some lucky winners?

yikes/10 server

:o

[jcr4990]

I'd rather set up my own PEQ server and play 1 player mode on that.

Have fun with your boxer pals, RMT weapons and loot council setup. Be sure to let us know about the raid scene when you get there. I can't wait to hear about it. Maybe you could get everyone to pool $2 a month and raffle off some RMT items to some lucky winners?

yikes/10 server

:o

Facts according to Swish:

Phinny is yikes

Dead99 is thriving

BDA is the source of all evil


Pretty much the opposite of the actual facts

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Ding 50. Already earned enough pp just selling a couple random items to pay for a krono for next months subscription and I still have like 15 days left on my original months sub. Anyone that's only holding off on Phinny cause they don't want to pay a subscription fee. Seriously just pay 1 month and you can EASILY earn enough plat to keep your sub going without spending any more money out of pocket with a little effort.

I'm kinda startled actual money would be the issue. Do six monhts, xx dollars, no big deal. It is the sheer toxicity of live that frightens.

[jcr4990]

It blows my mind that anyone that plays P99 would be skeptical of Phinny because of "toxicity" lol

[BigLe2e]

I'd rather set up my own PEQ server and play 1 player mode on that.

Isnt that the experience on red server already?

[Raev]

BDA is the source of all evil

well this much is true at least

[Swish]

It blows my mind that anyone that plays P99 would be skeptical of Phinny because of "toxicity" lol

BDA moved there, you're the bad NWO guys right? Hulk Hogan's BDA forum sig said it all.

I wonder if you can tank Phinny sub numbers and we'll see more on p99 as a result lol

[Swish]

Isnt that the experience on red server already?

Not at all, log in sometime and see for yourself <3

[BigLe2e]

Not at all, log in sometime and see for yourself <3

I did, I solo'd until 24 or something and didnt see more than 3 people.

[Troubled]

I did, I solo'd until 24 or something and didnt see more than 3 people.

Swish is full of lies. Pay him no mind.

[Swish]

I did, I solo'd until 24 or something and didnt see more than 3 people.

http://i.imgur.com/5L5rEue.gif

[Swish]

Swish is full of lies. Pay him no mind.

If you want a relevant opinion from someone who plays red, "Troubled" certainly isn't that person.

http://i.imgur.com/LN3gkWZ.png

[BigLe2e]

I played red, I have my formed my own opinions from my time there. Deny it all you want but people have tried it and it sucked so they left.

[Ravager]

I played red, I have my formed my own opinions from my time there. Deny it all you want but people have tried it and it sucked so they left.

[Pokesan]

I'd rather set up my own PEQ server and play 1 player mode on that.


Isnt that the experience on red server already?

well this much is true at least

[Swish]

The main reason people don't play is the low population. It's always been that problem. If it had a pop of 800 it would probably retain more players.

That's where red recruitment comes in, to get it back up to 300 and then beyond.

[burkemi5]

Woot prime time on a Saturday evening, red finally hit triple digits guys! Server is thriving!

[jcr4990]

Woot prime time on a Saturday evening, red finally hit triple digits guys! Server is thriving!

Red clearly thriving. Swish successful recruiter.

[Mistle]

Isnt that the experience on red server already?

Jesus Christ that man has a family

[BigLe2e]

The main reason people don't play is the low population. It's always been that problem. If it had a pop of 800 it would probably retain more players.

That's where red recruitment comes in, to get it back up to 300 and then beyond.

Lets not mention the 3 people I did run into while playing there. 1 was a high level druid that tried to lure me in with buffs only to port my lvl 12 troll sk to north karana to get it killed by the npc treehugers.

Or the wizard in oasis that sat there invis until i was below 40% from mobs to nuke and run away.

Or the twinked out red con SK with fungi and the works that would pop in upperguk and kill me then log out.

The low population that does play there is not very inviting for new players either. It became quite clear these 'join red' threads were made by people that just want more ungeared noobs to farm their KDA up.

[Troubled]

Red's a lost cause. Only people like Swish are left there.

[Raev]

The problem with red has always been the community.

[Swish]

More hope for it long term than post-PoP Phinny

[Swish]

The problem with red has always been the community.

Not everyone you encounter is like those on the forums. But we'll imagine everyone in the blue raid scene all play happy families if you like :p

[Priceline]

Not everyone you encounter is like those on the forums. But we'll imagine everyone in the blue raid scene all play happy families if you like :p

You're comparing most of red to not even half of blue.. k

[Raev]

I leveled a Necromancer to 52 on Red. Basically it is like dealing with the Blue raid scene all of the time IMO.

[Swish]

I leveled a Necromancer to 52 on Red. Basically it is like dealing with the Blue raid scene all of the time IMO.

Fte disputes, camp lawyering and the like? I'm not sure I believe you...

[jcr4990]

More hope for it long term than post-PoP Phinny

ROFL

This might be the dumbest thing you've ever said and you say a LOT of dumb shit...

Wanna bet Phinny has higher avg population post-pop than Dead99? I'll take that bet all day long

[Raev]

Fte disputes, camp lawyering and the like? I'm not sure I believe you...

Red has developed their own dialect of idiocy, mostly based around EverQuest metaphors for homosexuals: fay gate, erudite, fire giant, etc. Just listening to this is like submerging myself in pure refuse.

Then you have the constant griefers who somehow think that their fungi tunic and full druid buffs are totally unrelated to their 100:1 KDR in mistmoore, or the people who just love ice cometing you from the 2nd floor of city of mist, etc.

The problem is that the only people who still play on that server either enjoy hurting other people or enjoy being hurt themselves as some sort of test of manhood.

[Raev]

Wanna bet Phinny has higher avg population post-pop than Dead99? I'll take that bet all day long

Hmm, I think Phinny will experience a massive population drop within 6 months of Gates/Omens coming out. But even so just having ~2 guilds that want to progress all the way would be enough. Hard to argue about which server will be more dead, I think.

[jcr4990]

Hmm, I think Phinny will experience a massive population drop within 6 months of Gates/Omens coming out. But even so just having ~2 guilds that want to progress all the way would be enough. Hard to argue about which server will be more dead, I think.

Sure population will drop a bit. Same happened on Live servers. Will still be plenty healthy though. My old live server still had 3 pretty big guilds doing top tier content in DoDH. Then somethin like 3-4 other smaller casual guilds that lagged an expac or 2 behind.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Red has developed their own dialect of idiocy, mostly based around EverQuest metaphors for homosexuals: fay gate, erudite, fire giant, etc. Just listening to this is like submerging myself in pure refuse.

Then you have the constant griefers who somehow think that their fungi tunic and full druid buffs are totally unrelated to their 100:1 KDR in mistmoore, or the people who just love ice cometing you from the 2nd floor of city of mist, etc.

The problem is that the only people who still play on that server either enjoy hurting other people or enjoy being hurt themselves as some sort of test of manhood.

So, this is Hostel: EQ?

[WolfsongReborn]

Phinny seems nice, with a lot of quality of life issues resolved. Economy is really weird however. Makes p99's inflation look almost normal. It seems like every other transaction going past in the auction channel is involving RMT via Kronos...some of which are hilariously high in the dollar amount for entry lvl velious gear.

What struck me as really odd was the levels I see folks at. I don't know if the levels of the areas themselves have been messed with or what but they don't seem to follow the old lvl ranges of the classic zones at all.

The low lvl scene isn't the most active but seems alright.

[Phantasm]

i've missed so much


does this mean Swish wins
??
?

[Man0warr]

Players are a bit more powerful and the mob con scale (green, light blue, blue, etc) is a bit extended to illustrate it. For example, monsters seem to go light blue/yellow (and stay light blue longer) earlier than they do on P99. A mob can be yellow for 3 levels vs 2.

This causes people to move to new zones earlier than P99 - for instance we were doing Sebilis/HS at 45ish.

[Swish]

Players are a bit more powerful and the mob con scale (green, light blue, blue, etc) is a bit extended to illustrate it. For example, monsters seem to go light blue/yellow (and stay light blue longer) earlier than they do on P99. A mob can be yellow for 3 levels vs 2.

This causes people to move to new zones earlier than P99 - for instance we were doing Sebilis/HS at 45ish.

http://i.imgur.com/wnxdIkP.gif

you're really selling it to me

[Man0warr]

No one said it was classic.

[Nirgon]

i've missed so much


does this mean Swish wins
??
?

I wouldn't say there's a winner but he's going to get to talk shit about it until these boards get taken down

[arsenalpow]

Any classes that can charm consistently are gods. Charm pet DPS is so crazy unfair on that server. We had our group sitting at the west exit in HS with a chanter and necro charming and it was a goddamn blender.

We're going to give Naggy a real shot this week, and we're pretty close to our first epic getting done with a bit of help from friends.

[Phantasm]

When will you learn Tofu
/sigh
there is no correct response to Swish. Everything you say is wrong. Swish knows best, afterall

[Swish]

When will you learn Tofu
/sigh
there is no correct response to Swish. Everything you say is wrong. Swish knows best, afterall

I didn't run them off the server, they ran themselves off the server with poor past choices leading to a dead end on the raid scene where "casually hardcore" guilds don't get guaranteed pixels. Because you know, the biggest of the bunch took a shit on the smaller guilds last time out and went for their own pixel grab.

Nobody is falling for that again, and so they've decided to get their wallets out and RMT things on a TLP server...which is basically a middle finger to the staff and players who enjoy P99.

Sorry the ultimatum didn't work out for you, Chest and pals. Good luck on your instanced uncontested Nagafen and other dragons.

Be sure to keep checking in with updates, I enjoy them.

[Raev]

Any classes that can charm consistently are gods. Charm pet DPS is so crazy unfair on that server. We had our group sitting at the west exit in HS with a chanter and necro charming and it was a goddamn blender.

Well, this is true on Project 1999 also. Also, I think at some point late at night Haynar snuck into the code and undid Kanras's charm nerfs. For example, I can pretty consistently charm Seahorses in Siren's Grotto even though they will flat out resist most spells. And charm breaks in the first 2-3 minutes are pretty rare.

[burkemi5]

Will someone please explain to me why people look at this server as the gold standard for EQ? Why do people feel like you need to "earn" your pixels through hard work aka door face tracking, coth ducking, etc. Why is that "better" than playing Phinny or another emu? Because it's not. Other boxes still offer challenges In their own ways. And it's not like BDA is the only guild that stopped raiding.

[Swish]

You can't box here, that's the main draw if nothing else is.

[Phantasm]

I didn't run them off the server, they ran themselves off the server with poor past choices leading to a dead end on the raid scene where "casually hardcore" guilds don't get guaranteed pixels.

I think what BDA wanted to accomplish just wasn't available on this server Swish. BDA really is a pretty tight knit community of gamers, and progression just wasn't available on p99. So the options were pretty shitty to choose from. As a guild it makes a lot of sense to preserve what you have. Kind of like WALL-E, when people realize where they live is literally covered in shit so they just say fuck it and fly away to Jupiter so they can get a fresh start.
The p99 story and BDAs involvement is actually very akin to WALL-E

[Pokesan]

is sleepers instanced on phinny?

[arsenalpow]

is sleepers instanced on phinny?

Yes.

[Raev]

But if the sleeper is woken, won't the instances then just have golems?

[arsenalpow]

But if the sleeper is woken, won't the instances then just have golems?

So the instance is dictated by whatever the global situation is like. So if a guild kills all 4 Warders in the normal global venue, then the instance will reflect that. However, there will be ancients and whatnot once the sleeper is awoken since the server goes past Velious.

[Nirgon]

sounds almost as complicated as the p99 raid rules

what about if someone uses spirit of scale? or jump+rile spam?

[arsenalpow]

sounds almost as complicated as the p99 raid rules

what about if someone uses spirit of scale? or jump+rile spam?

Oh you

[jcr4990]

Why do people feel like you need to "earn" your pixels through hard work aka door face tracking, coth ducking, etc. Why is that "better" than playing Phinny or another emu?

Because those people are sick in the head. If you really take a step back and look at it objectively what's required to successfully raid on P99 is absolutely disgusting. Just last night on phinny I was camping a neck item in Velks that I needed for my necro and I was getting frustrated cause there were raid geared lvl 60's camping it every time I showed up. I started talking to this L60 monk and he tells me "Gratz on breaking free of P99. That server is such a shithole. You don't really realize how bad it is until your first Trak raid here. Then you'll remember all those times you sat in Seb on p99 for 15 hours just so you can get 2 trak teeth that you don't even need. Trust me I speak from experience" then proceeded to hand me the neck item I was after and wished me goodluck. But what he said really hit home for me. I'm almost embarrassed at all the dumb shit I did to try to get pixels on this ridiculous server and I didn't do NEARLY as much neckbearding as some of you.

This is a game my friends. It should be fun. Yes there should be some challenge and time investment to get rewards but you shouldn't have to spend 40+ hours a week tracking mobs and pooping in socks to get FTE on a handful of decent targets per week at best. I don't know how I didn't come to this realization sooner but I'm glad I did. It's a joke. A bad joke with no punchline.

[Raev]

If you really take a step back and look at it objectively what's required to successfully raid on P99 is absolutely disgusting.

This is a game my friends. It should be fun. Yes there should be some challenge and time investment to get rewards but you shouldn't have to spend 40+ hours a week tracking mobs and pooping in socks to get FTE on a handful of decent targets per week at best.

The funniest thing is periodically I get tells from people in Awakened asking me to come back. Literally none of them think raiding is actually fun on this server. They either do it for the pixels or because they want to help their friends or because they want to win. Of course, most of these people are not the big trackers.

I don't think the staff realizes that there are probably less than 20 people out of the thousands that play on this server who actually enjoy the raid scene here. I just don't understand why they have chosen to enable those 20 people for the past 6 years.

[Ravager]

I don't think the staff realizes that there are probably less than 20 people out of the thousands that play on this server who actually enjoy the raid scene here. I just don't understand why they have chosen to enable those 20 people for the past 6 years.

It's too bad that the community can't simply shun those 20.

[Swish]

Because those people are sick in the head. If you really take a step back and look at it objectively what's required to successfully raid on P99 is absolutely disgusting. Just last night on phinny I was camping a neck item in Velks that I needed for my necro and I was getting frustrated cause there were raid geared lvl 60's camping it every time I showed up. I started talking to this L60 monk and he tells me "Gratz on breaking free of P99. That server is such a shithole. You don't really realize how bad it is until your first Trak raid here. Then you'll remember all those times you sat in Seb on p99 for 15 hours just so you can get 2 trak teeth that you don't even need. Trust me I speak from experience" then proceeded to hand me the neck item I was after and wished me goodluck. But what he said really hit home for me. I'm almost embarrassed at all the dumb shit I did to try to get pixels on this ridiculous server and I didn't do NEARLY as much neckbearding as some of you.

This is a game my friends. It should be fun. Yes there should be some challenge and time investment to get rewards but you shouldn't have to spend 40+ hours a week tracking mobs and pooping in socks to get FTE on a handful of decent targets per week at best. I don't know how I didn't come to this realization sooner but I'm glad I did. It's a joke. A bad joke with no punchline.

I'll stick to my no boxing, no instancing, no RMT pixels, no subscription EQ thanks :)

[Duie]

The funniest thing is periodically I get tells from people in Awakened asking me to come back. Literally none of them think raiding is actually fun on this server. They either do it for the pixels or because they want to help their friends or because they want to win. Of course, most of these people are not the big trackers.

I don't think the staff realizes that there are probably less than 20 people out of the thousands that play on this server who actually enjoy the raid scene here. I just don't understand why they have chosen to enable those 20 people for the past 6 years.

6? um no , it been going on for much longer then that.

A wise man once said on these very same boards

" No Truce With the Shadow"

and if that wise ass sumbich reads this , were on Phinny and Eq is once again Fun. come join us

[Mistle]

" No Truce With the Shadow"

The scene in the book where this quote comes from is pretty badass, comes like straight from the climax of Raiders of the Lost Ark in graphic imagery. After Rand says this, declining the truce with Sammael, the emissary who came with the message basically melts.

[jcr4990]

I'll stick to my no boxing, no instancing, no RMT pixels, no subscription EQ thanks :)

Let's take this point by point.

No boxing: Arguably your only legitimate point in this post. However Phinny only allows 1 "box" per PC. I've yet to see anybody boxing more than 3. More than 2 is pretty rare and I don't even see 2 boxes that often. This isn't Ragefire where everyone's 24 boxing mages to do their own raids or whatever. The pros FAAAAAR outweigh this potential con imo

No instancing: Instancing would solve 99.9% of P99's problems. I used to be an instance hater til I experienced P99. Even the most hardcore neckbeards on this server are starting to admit that the environment that open world contested raiding fosters is shitty. Lack of instances is what makes this game feel like a job/chore more than a game to have fun with.

No RMT pixels: If you think RMT isn't happening on every EQ server you're high on some real good shit. Can you send me some? Also the vast majority of the best items in the game are no drop and thus can't be RMT'd. Again not a huge issue and blown way out of proportion.

No subscription: I paid $14.99 one time and I currently have more than enough to buy next months subscription using ingame currency that I farmed myself and still have 13 days left on my original month sub. That's accounting starting at lvl 1 and leveling. Once you have a Lvl 60 you can farm enough for a months sub in a couple of hours. This is an absolute non-issue for anyone that isn't homeless and using mcdonalds wifi to forumquest.


But sure. Enjoy your "classic" "thriving" Red99. Let me know how that works out for ya.

[Spyder73]

The scene in the book where this quote comes from is pretty badass, comes like straight from the climax of Raiders of the Lost Ark in graphic imagery. After Rand says this, declining the truce with Sammael, the emissary who came with the message basically melts.

The Wheel of Time and the wheel of a man's life turn alike without pity or mercy.

[Spyder73]

Let's take this point by point.

No boxing: Arguably your only legitimate point in this post. However Phinny only allows 1 "box" per PC. I've yet to see anybody boxing more than 3. More than 2 is pretty rare and I don't even see 2 boxes that often. This isn't Ragefire where everyone's 24 boxing mages to do their own raids or whatever. The pros FAAAAAR outweigh this potential con imo

No instancing: Instancing would solve 99.9% of P99's problems. I used to be an instance hater til I experienced P99. Even the most hardcore neckbeards on this server are starting to admit that the environment that open world contested raiding fosters is shitty. Lack of instances is what makes this game feel like a job/chore more than a game to have fun with.

No RMT pixels: If you think RMT isn't happening on every EQ server you're high on some real good shit. Can you send me some? Also the vast majority of the best items in the game are no drop and thus can't be RMT'd. Again not a huge issue and blown way out of proportion.

No subscription: I paid $14.99 one time and I currently have more than enough to buy next months subscription using ingame currency that I farmed myself and still have 13 days left on my original month sub. That's accounting starting at lvl 1 and leveling. Once you have a Lvl 60 you can farm enough for a months sub in a couple of hours. This is an absolute non-issue for anyone that isn't homeless and using mcdonalds wifi to forumquest.


But sure. Enjoy your "classic" "thriving" Red99. Let me know how that works out for ya.

I'm glad you are enjoying Phinny – However you will quickly realize that instanced raiding is the single worst idea in the history of EQ – with so much raid loot available, it literally trivializes every single thing outside of a raid instance. It basically turns into a WoW scenario where you are raiding monsters in order to raid other monsters, except that EQ raiding is boring as sh!t. You have literally 0 incentive to do anything on Phinny once your guild starts clearing all the dragons. Its fun to do for about 3 weeks then you have no reason to log in anymore until the next expansion comes out.

I thought instancing was the best thing ever, then I realized that it’s a loot piñata that makes getting it really not that great. Add in that all your gear becomes dated every 3 months and you have a recipe for an empty server. I went to Phinny for a while with Echoes of Eternity and its just really not that great and only going to get worse.

But I suppose its what your goals are – there is still plenty for me to do on P99 that I am happy doing. I f#cking hate raiding – I like twinking alts – and I finally have the means to do some serious twinking IE just bought Zlandi heart for my necro. My nostalgia has nothing to do with raiding nToV, it has to do with raiding Crushbone, Mistmoore, Highkeep Hold, Solb Royals, KC, Sebelis, ect, ect, ect

[Archalen]

I'd rather set up my own PEQ server and play 1 player mode on that.


Every time I wanted to play EQ on one-player mode, I logged onto red.

[Swish]

... This is an absolute non-issue for anyone that isn't homeless and using mcdonalds wifi to forumquest.

You know they're rustled when they're resorting to attacks on what they think is happening in your life :o

Hit level 60, 65, whatever... and tell me it was a challenge, that you worked hard for it, that your instanced pixels mean something.

One of the best things about leveling my cleric (2013) was, ironically...sitting in Naggy's lair for 16 hours waiting to hand the pearl in. If I could do it in 10 minutes with some pals, I don't think I'd appreciate that epic as much.

Epic quests aren't meant to be grinded/ground out with instances to help them along.

Late era SOE/Daybreak took people's nostalgia, screwed it up into a ball... then threw it back at them and gestured for your wallet. If Daybreak took P99's code and all the hard work that had gone into it, and launched a classic EQ server like we have here with no cash shop sign on it - maybe I'd take a look.

Til then, enjoy your watered down EQ, glad to hear you're having a great time. What's the BDA RMT bill so far? Spend wisely ;)

[Mistle]

I'm glad you are enjoying Phinny – However you will quickly realize that instanced raiding is the single worst idea in the history of EQ

I assume you mean excluding the current situation on blue...

– with so much raid loot available, it literally trivializes every single thing outside of a raid instance. It basically turns into a WoW scenario where you are raiding monsters in order to raid other monsters, except that EQ raiding is boring as sh!t. You have literally 0 incentive to do anything on Phinny once your guild starts clearing all the dragons. Its fun to do for about 3 weeks then you have no reason to log in anymore until the next expansion comes out.

I thought instancing was the best thing ever, then I realized that it’s a loot piñata that makes getting it really not that great. Add in that all your gear becomes dated every 3 months and you have a recipe for an empty server. I went to Phinny for a while with Echoes of Eternity and its just really not that great and only going to get worse.

Everything you said could be, and probably is, true. But two things I think mitigate all of it.

1. At least you can go out and use that fancy new gear in groups getting AA, and

2. No matter how bad it is, its still better than the current situation on Blue.

People really just want to play with friends. Anyone playing EQ for nostalgia should basically quit once they hit 60 (play alts, or quit outright). Anyone playing EQ for the quality of the game should have their heads examined (and its worse on p99 than on live, and I never thought the day would come when that would be true).

The potential for entertainment on Phinny ranges from decent to pretty bad. However under no circumstances was playing a game ever supposed to resemble the pukefest door socking that p99 raiding now encompasses. Sirken can keep his utopia, BDA is out.

[jcr4990]

I'm glad you are enjoying Phinny – However you will quickly realize that instanced raiding is the single worst idea in the history of EQ – with so much raid loot available, it literally trivializes every single thing outside of a raid instance. It basically turns into a WoW scenario where you are raiding monsters in order to raid other monsters, except that EQ raiding is boring as sh!t. You have literally 0 incentive to do anything on Phinny once your guild starts clearing all the dragons. Its fun to do for about 3 weeks then you have no reason to log in anymore until the next expansion comes out.

I thought instancing was the best thing ever, then I realized that it’s a loot piñata that makes getting it really not that great. Add in that all your gear becomes dated every 3 months and you have a recipe for an empty server. I went to Phinny for a while with Echoes of Eternity and its just really not that great and only going to get worse.

But I suppose its what your goals are – there is still plenty for me to do on P99 that I am happy doing. I f#cking hate raiding – I like twinking alts – and I finally have the means to do some serious twinking IE just bought Zlandi heart for my necro. My nostalgia has nothing to do with raiding nToV, it has to do with raiding Crushbone, Mistmoore, Highkeep Hold, Solb Royals, KC, Sebelis, ect, ect, ect

I get your argument. But are you trying to say 16 hr windows staring at walls in NToV is the better alternative? I just don't buy it man. There's no fun AT ALL in the poopsocking competitions to me. Sure alts and shit is fun for a while but that gets boring too. The fun is in killing the dragons with my pals and getting some sweet loot. If it turns out that I get all the loot I want and get bored then so be it. Artificially inflating the pixel acquisition time with a mountain of poop isn't the right answer.

Even if I stayed on P99 eventually I'd hit the same wall you're talking about where I have all the gear I want and then you have literally 0 incentive to log in and do stuff. Just raiding mobs to raid more mobs. EXCEPT P99 is FOREVER stuck on 1 expansion. At least on Phinny I have future xpacs to look forward to when I get all the loot in the current one and if/when it reaches expansions that suck and I stop having fun I'll go elsewhere.

[Mistle]

One of the best things about leveling my cleric (2013) was, ironically...sitting in Naggy's lair for 16 hours waiting to hand the pearl in.

[jcr4990]

Hit level 60, 65, whatever... and tell me it was a challenge, that you worked hard for it, that your instanced pixels mean something.

Well.. Leveling on Phinny has taken about equal time to leveling on P99 so far imo. Neither one was "hard" because I know the game inside and out and know where to go and when to go there and what classes I need to form good groups and such. I don't know what you're trying to prove here but its failing. There's no "hard work" involved its just a grind on both servers.

As far as instanced pixels meaning something. Do pixels only mean something in Swish's world if you stared at an empty room for 16 hours before killing the dragon that dropped them? Is that the only way they mean something? Sounds pretty dumb to me pal but to each their own I guess?

[Swish]

If you just joined us here on page 69, BDA are still saying how bad P99 is because they didn't get a Velious rotation. If you aren't into reading words, take a quick look at the gifs below for their thoughts.

http://i.imgur.com/tGWK6RE.gif

http://i.imgur.com/q9Vrua0.gif


Uncle Sirken was mean, wasn't he kids?

[jcr4990]

Not to mention you do nothing but promote Red where pixels are basically just as free as they are on Phinny. There's only been 1 real raid guild on Red99 since day 1. Empire had 100% free reign on Velious pixels from the day Velious launched til the day they disbanded. How is that any different than instanced raids? Might as well have been right?

Do pixels on your favorite server mean nothing Swish?

[Ragnaros]

If another guild were to rise up on red ( Tempest, current #1 guild) would help them, not grief them off, so yes come get your free pixels red is great no poop socking needed

[Swish]

There's only been 1 real raid guild on Red99 since day 1. Empire had 100% free reign on Velious pixels from the day Velious launched til the day they disbanded. How is that any different than instanced raids? Might as well have been right?



It's a pvp server where there's pvp. I know that's what BDA hates more than anything else - not just losing, but getting killed by other players and not being able to circlejerk quite so fiercely.

[Mistle]

One of the best things about leveling my cleric (2013) was, ironically...sitting in Naggy's lair for 16 hours waiting to hand the pearl in.

[Swish]

Not sure why you're quoting that Fieldfare, am I supposed to be embarrassed that I spent a lot of time on my epic?

[Mistle]

It says a lot that you AREN'T embarrassed by it, actually.

[Jfertal]

You know they're rustled when they're resorting to attacks on what they think is happening in your life :o

Hit level 60, 65, whatever... and tell me it was a challenge, that you worked hard for it, that your instanced pixels mean something.

One of the best things about leveling my cleric (2013) was, ironically...sitting in Naggy's lair for 16 hours waiting to hand the pearl in. If I could do it in 10 minutes with some pals, I don't think I'd appreciate that epic as much.

Epic quests aren't meant to be grinded/ground out with instances to help them along.

Late era SOE/Daybreak took people's nostalgia, screwed it up into a ball... then threw it back at them and gestured for your wallet. If Daybreak took P99's code and all the hard work that had gone into it, and launched a classic EQ server like we have here with no cash shop sign on it - maybe I'd take a look.

Til then, enjoy your watered down EQ, glad to hear you're having a great time. What's the BDA RMT bill so far? Spend wisely ;)

What instance zone on phinny do you think helps out on epics?

[Raev]

I'm glad you are enjoying Phinny – However you will quickly realize that instanced raiding is the single worst idea in the history of EQ – with so much raid loot available, it literally trivializes every single thing outside of a raid instance.

This is definitely true. I went down to the spore king with Sakuragi and I think I needed a complete heal every 5-10 minutes or so. I've pretty much decided that I'm not going to play him unless there are L60 NPCs involved - and Sakuragi is mostly just HOT geared. I can only imagine how boring it would be for a rampage MT like Mardur or Briefs.

That being said . . . poopsocking every single raid target for 0-16 hours is still worse.

[jcr4990]

Do pixels on your favorite server mean nothing Swish?

[Raev]

It is kinda funny that Empire basically treated Red99 like their own raid instance, then got bored and quit.

[wisenhemier]

i have no idea whats going on but...










i am out of string cheese tho, and this makes me sad

[Ravager]

i have no idea whats going on but...










i am out of string cheese tho, and this makes me sad

When you're feeling sad, it's a thing to do:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_Y2bkqDtAM

[BigLe2e]

It is kinda funny that Empire basically treated Red99 like their own raid instance, then got bored and quit.

[contemptor]

This threads funny. Glad I don't post 25x a week (or day) for a server I don't play on.

[Swish]

This threads funny. Glad I don't post 25x a week (or day) for a server I don't play on.

All of you still checking for updates to this thread though...says a lot.

You'll be back.

[jcr4990]

All of you still checking for updates to this thread though...says a lot.

You'll be back.

Please hold your breath

[Pokesan]

This threads funny. Glad I don't post 25x a week (or day) for a server I don't play on.

im glad you dont post too! ;)

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

I'm just here to keep the game honest.

[Mistle]

One of the best things about leveling my cleric (2013) was, ironically...sitting in Naggy's lair for 16 hours waiting to hand the pearl in.

[contemptor]

im glad you dont post too! ;)
Finally we agree on something! OK see yall in a week or 9.

[Sodors Finest Poster]

http://i.imgur.com/eie9mn0.jpg

[sirelothar]

Doing big things. Try TLP today!

http://i.imgur.com/LtLMKr0.jpg

[Swish]

Cringing more than a bit, then I saw that "skeleton" and cringed harder.

Keep the updates coming, I bet Sirken is really wishing he made a rotation for you after seeing this :o

[jcr4990]

Cringing more than a bit, then I saw that "skeleton" and cringed harder.

Keep the updates coming, I bet Sirken is really wishing he made a rotation for you after seeing this :o

Try Red99 today where the skeletons are "classic" and you might see 1 other person every once in a while if you stick to the most popular zones.

Talk about cringing.

[Swish]

+14 minutes from my post... you're getting slack, jack :o

[jcr4990]

+14 minutes from my post... you're getting slack, jack :o

You didn't answer my question from a few pages ago. Do pixels mean nothing on your favorite server?

[Mistle]

SWISH is talking about cringing? ROFL

Maybe he can post his p99 message board accomplishments again, remind us what true cringe really looks like. Or I could just post this again, it's almost as bad.

One of the best things about leveling my cleric (2013) was, ironically...sitting in Naggy's lair for 16 hours waiting to hand the pearl in

[Swish]

oh shit they batphoned in - now anything I say gets drowned out with angry responses

[jcr4990]

oh shit they batphoned in - now anything I say gets drowned out with angry responses

Do pixels mean nothing on your favorite server?

[Swish]

Do pixels mean nothing on your favorite server?

You're really asking 2 questions there.

[jcr4990]

You're really asking 2 questions there.

Looks like 1 question to me. But even if its 2 you aren't answering either one. I wonder why?

[Ravager]

Looks like 1 question to me. But even if its 2 you aren't answering either one. I wonder why?

You'll never get a straight answer to a straight question from Swish. If he answers at all it will be with some question about why you're bad, sad, mad, fat or hypocritical, while turning a blind eye to all of the irony imbued in every post of his.

[Swish]

You'll never get a straight answer to a straight question from Swish. If he answers at all it will be with some question about why you're bad, sad, mad, fat or hypocritical, while turning a blind eye to all of the irony imbued in every post of his.

I don't think I ever called anyone on here fat. Maybe one time when someone posted a picture of themselves holding tickets I said they had fat fingers.

Hard not to say what you see when it comes to BDA though... mad, bad, hypocritical, playing on a sad RMT instance server because they "didnt have the trackers" here despite having one of the most bloated rosters on the box.

Instanced Ixiblat Fer? Doing big things over there - I'm sure all the top guilds are watching and thinking "oh shit, these guys are badasses". Is recruitment open? lol

[Alarti0001]

I've joined BDA on TLP Phinny

[jcr4990]

I don't think I ever called anyone on here fat. Maybe one time when someone posted a picture of themselves holding tickets I said they had fat fingers.

Hard not to say what you see when it comes to BDA though... mad, bad, hypocritical, playing on a sad RMT instance server because they "didnt have the trackers" here despite having one of the most bloated rosters on the box.

Instanced Ixiblat Fer? Doing big things over there - I'm sure all the top guilds are watching and thinking "oh shit, these guys are badasses". Is recruitment open? lol

Ixi wasn't instanced. Also we were lvl 1 just over 2 weeks ago. Did you expect a Vulak corpse? BDA regularly had less players per raid on P99 than literally every other raid force on the server after week 2 of Velious contrary to Swish history. We weren't a zerg or bloated by any reasonable persons definition. We had trackers just nobody willing to poopsock for 16 hours. Is that really so unreasonable though?

Once again pretty much everything in your post is wrong/dumb bullshit. Why am I not surprised.

[jcr4990]

And my question still isn't answered :( Am I talking to a brick wall?

HELLO SWISH CAN YOU HEAR ME? DO PIXELS MEAN ANYTHING ON RED99?

[Swish]

BDA regularly had less players per raid on P99 than literally every other raid force on the server after week 2 of Velious contrary to Swish history

Please furnish me with some proof. Otherwise you're just spinning.

If people stopped raiding with you 2 weeks into Velious, what does that say? Something something... no welfare pixels.

[jcr4990]

Please furnish me with some proof. Otherwise you're just spinning.

If people stopped raiding with you 2 weeks into Velious, what does that say? Something something... no welfare pixels.

Ask anyone that actually fucking played on the server if BDA had zerg numbers after the initial Velious hype died off. Forsaken was allied with Asgard and Taken early on. CSG is 3 guilds. Anonymous allied with Divinity. Rampage had zerg-y numbers by themselves til later on when they started burning out then allied with Taken. We were the only guild that wasn't currently in an alliance or recently merged with their previous allied guild. All of those guilds/alliances regularly had more numbers than we did. Every single one of them. Maybe if u actually played you would know that and not just be spewing uninformed verbal diarrhea everywhere.

[Swish]

CSG was created thanks to BDA's handling of the Kunark rotation. Zerging became the meta for the casual guilds - who knew? Not you apparently. Too busy sucking off the loot council I'm sure lol.

If you didn't form a zerg force to raid, your guild died (RIP Moonlight Crusaders, Supremacy, etc).

So in Velious your numbers were dwindling? You didn't have the raid force anymore? Sounds like players discarded the BDA raid scene like a used tissue when the welfare pixels dried up. Too many mouths to feed, not enough pixels incoming.

No wonder the top end are all disgruntled, jaded and "on Phinny"... :o

Lets blame that evil Sirken though shall we? Bad Uncle Sirken.

[jcr4990]

For the record since you won't answer my question. By your definition Red99 pixels are just as worthless as Phinny pixels cause there's 0 competition and pixels are "free" and I know you know that's what I was getting at and that's why you wouldn't answer the question cause I had you backed into a corner.

As for all the other shit you're talking about. You're so far beyond delusional that it's sad and I can't deal with it. I give up.

[Ravager]

For the record since you won't answer my question. By your definition Red99 pixels are just as worthless as Phinny pixels cause there's 0 competition and pixels are "free" and I know you know that's what I was getting at and that's why you wouldn't answer the question cause I had you backed into a corner.

As for all the other shit you're talking about. You're so far beyond delusional that it's sad and I can't deal with it. I give up.

Swish "wins" by attrition again.

[Swish]

For the record since you won't answer my question. By your definition Red99 pixels are just as worthless as Phinny pixels cause there's 0 competition and pixels are "free" and I know you know that's what I was getting at and that's why you wouldn't answer the question cause I had you backed into a corner.

You'd be a terrible poker player... the reason I didn't answer the question was you kept asking it, and it was funny to see you desperate for an answer :D

you know i know i know you know that i know you know i know.... wut?

As for all the other shit you're talking about. You're so far beyond delusional that it's sad and I can't deal with it. I give up.

"All the other shit" ? Recently that's just reiterating server history... BDA fucked up with the Kunark rotation and the way they managed it. They managed to fold a couple of smaller guilds, then Chest makes that nice sig saying how he laid waste to "team gimpatron"... then when Velious hits, the 3 guild alliance he created by proxy (to compete with BDA) gets more pixels than BDA itself gets.

BDA then leaks members left and right, the remaining hardcore decide they've had enough, perhaps not enough warm bodies worshiping the loot council that has no credibility anymore... and take their ball (and wallets) to Phinny and load up on RMT pixels.

No delusions there, the guild left with a terrible reputation and as a laughing stock on P99. The last desperate attempt to get some raid concessions were rightly met with a shake of Sirken's head.

God bless P99, may it survive for decades to come.

[Baler]

Don't forget the part where chest was arguing with other guilds about kunark content. And rampage made the final kill shortly after.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

...No delusions there, the guild left with a terrible reputation and as a laughing stock on P99....

What Swish does not realize, is that Chest is the Chewbacca mom in real life, and that a simple consensus was reached, p99 raiding is a drag unless and until the devs make changes.

It is not complicated. Oh, I am such a happy enchanter!

[burkemi5]

If you can't hack it on the p99 raid scene for years on end obviously you're a pussy.

[jcr4990]

You'd be a terrible poker player... the reason I didn't answer the question was you kept asking it, and it was funny to see you desperate for an answer :D

you know i know i know you know that i know you know i know.... wut?



"All the other shit" ? Recently that's just reiterating server history... BDA fucked up with the Kunark rotation and the way they managed it. They managed to fold a couple of smaller guilds, then Chest makes that nice sig saying how he laid waste to "team gimpatron"... then when Velious hits, the 3 guild alliance he created by proxy (to compete with BDA) gets more pixels than BDA itself gets.

BDA then leaks members left and right, the remaining hardcore decide they've had enough, perhaps not enough warm bodies worshiping the loot council that has no credibility anymore... and take their ball (and wallets) to Phinny and load up on RMT pixels.

No delusions there, the guild left with a terrible reputation and as a laughing stock on P99. The last desperate attempt to get some raid concessions were rightly met with a shake of Sirken's head.

God bless P99, may it survive for decades to come.

http://i.imgur.com/uXb8Qex.gif

[Raev]

posting in a great troll thread

I am singlehandedly reinvigorating the RNF community

[Pokesan]

it's pretty cool and normal to obsess over a guild on a server you don't even play

[Raev]

that must be why BDA is posting here

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

that must be why BDA is posting here

forumquest is a separate game, you know that. Get real.

[Mistle]

Has Swish ever been right about anything? Honest question. I don't see any evidence of it in this thread at all.

[Pokesan]

that must be why BDA is posting here

two wrongs dont make a right

[Mistle]

Wow Blue not even over 1k right now still NA west prime time.

[Swish]

Nobody denouncing my last post with anything other than a gif or a deflection... god it feels good to rustle these BDA mads with some facts.

How's the Seb grind going in the 40s? Easy enough for you? :)

[jcr4990]

Wow Blue not even over 1k right now still NA west prime time.

Don't be silly. BDA leaving P99 (And those from other guilds that followed) didn't effect the population AT ALL

http://i.imgur.com/QoqlxTC.gif

[Pokesan]

BDA going full grocerr =(

[Raev]

Of course he has. The man has 15000 posts! One of them must be pure unadulterated mathematical truth. Probably about cats.

More seriously, what I find most amazing about BDA is the total lack of self reflection and the inability to admit any role in the destruction of the R/C system. Fortunately Swish will keep this thread alive into 2020 to remind you!

[jcr4990]

Of course he has. The man has 15000 posts! One of them must be pure unadulterated mathematical truth. Probably about cats.

More seriously, what I find most amazing about BDA is the total lack of self reflection and the inability to admit any role in the destruction of the R/C system. Fortunately Swish will keep this thread alive into 2020 to remind you!

Whatever role BDA had or didn't have is irrelevant. Staff was removing the system come Velious anyway. Swish has had his panties in a bunch for over a year and probably many years to come over the inevitable happening a little early.

[Raev]

Whatever role BDA had or didn't have is irrelevant. Staff was removing the system come Velious anyway.

I think you guys are confusing 'not expanding to Velious' with 'deleting it entirely'. And even if they had removed it entirely, you guys would have been in a solid position to push for it to come back now that Velious is back to the full on socking idiocy of Kunark.

[Mistle]

Of course he has. The man has 15000 posts! One of them must be pure unadulterated mathematical truth. Probably about cats.

More seriously, what I find most amazing about BDA is the total lack of self reflection and the inability to admit any role in the destruction of the R/C system. Fortunately Swish will keep this thread alive into 2020 to remind you!

Best thing we ever did. The guilds who decided to exploit it deserved what they got. Oddly enough, never see Swish mentioning that.

I do find it odd that people actually think BDA wanted a rotation in Velious. That's just another element of Swish's diseased imagination, as he continues his perfect record of getting everything completely wrong...

Omg! Almost forgot what that shitlord thinks is entertainment!

One of the best things about leveling my cleric (2013) was, ironically...sitting in Naggy's lair for 16 hours waiting to hand the pearl in.

[Mistle]

I think you guys are confusing 'not expanding to Velious' with 'deleting it entirely'. And even if they had removed it entirely, you guys would have been in a solid position to push for it to come back now that Velious is back to the full on socking idiocy of Kunark.

Raev Raev Raev. You gotta start listening to Sirken more. Or at least the summaries of it, since he is almost unbearable to actually hear talking. Sirken is not interested in changes to the system. This is what the GMs WANTED. Pushing for changes? Sirken himself said he didn't bother to even listen to half of the 'guild summit'. Later on he made it perfectly clear not only is he not interested in changing the system, if he had his way he would actually make it WORSE.

This is Sirken's utopia, where guilds spend hundreds of man-hours staring at doors opening and closing up to sixteen hours at a time for a chance at one raid mob. And he gets this opinion reinforced by mouthbreathing retards who think sitting for sixteen hours in one place is perfectly acceptable entertaining gameplay.

One of the best things about leveling my cleric (2013) was, ironically...sitting in Naggy's lair for 16 hours waiting to hand the pearl in.

In retrospect having ditched this retardfest for good, my respect for Sirken has gone up, though. I don't think he's as incompetent as I used to. I think he actually literally hates every raider on this server and wants to hurt them with these raid rules on purpose. It's tough to say - we are, after all, talking about the GM who thought suspending a guild for a time period in which no mobs would ever actually enter window was a suitable punishment, so clearly there's some serious problems with GM quality no matter what.

So don't seriously tell me that BDA could have "negotiated" some kind of better deal if they had just done things "differently", even if they had wanted to. Thinking this fundamentally misunderstands how the management here thinks.

THIS time, though, there's no shimmering jewel of hope of another expansion on the horizon. You morons who cling to the dream of a new rebooted server... good luck with that. Anyone with a modicum of sense is playing forum PvP now. BDA wasn't the first, it was just the most self contained. Every raiding guild on the server was bleeding players, and still is.

[Phantasm]

BDA has and always will reflect what is good about this game

Troll, work on some gifs and present your argument to Swish in that fashion. Swish actually speaks mostly in gif, this is how you get through to him

[wisenhemier]

Can't we all just quit the fussin and the feudin for a couple moments and just enjoy some pictures of patrick swayze??

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

p99 without BDA is like the Double Deuce without Dalton. Just another place where the staff suck at gm'ing.

[Swish]

Raev Raev Raev. You gotta start listening to Sirken more. Or at least the summaries of it, since he is almost unbearable to actually hear talking. Sirken is not interested in changes to the system. This is what the GMs WANTED. Pushing for changes? Sirken himself said he didn't bother to even listen to half of the 'guild summit'. Later on he made it perfectly clear not only is he not interested in changing the system, if he had his way he would actually make it WORSE.

This is Sirken's utopia, where guilds spend hundreds of man-hours staring at doors opening and closing up to sixteen hours at a time for a chance at one raid mob. And he gets this opinion reinforced by mouthbreathing retards who think sitting for sixteen hours in one place is perfectly acceptable entertaining gameplay.



In retrospect having ditched this retardfest for good, my respect for Sirken has gone up, though. I don't think he's as incompetent as I used to. I think he actually literally hates every raider on this server and wants to hurt them with these raid rules on purpose. It's tough to say - we are, after all, talking about the GM who thought suspending a guild for a time period in which no mobs would ever actually enter window was a suitable punishment, so clearly there's some serious problems with GM quality no matter what.

So don't seriously tell me that BDA could have "negotiated" some kind of better deal if they had just done things "differently", even if they had wanted to. Thinking this fundamentally misunderstands how the management here thinks.

THIS time, though, there's no shimmering jewel of hope of another expansion on the horizon. You morons who cling to the dream of a new rebooted server... good luck with that. Anyone with a modicum of sense is playing forum PvP now. BDA wasn't the first, it was just the most self contained. Every raiding guild on the server was bleeding players, and still is.

For anyone who didnt want to read the essay above, I soldiered through it and can summarize:-

1. Fieldfare <BDA> hates the sound of Sirken's voice.
2. Fieldfare is still upset that Sirken didnt make raid concessions for BDA,so no welfare pixels.
3. Fieldfare is upset that some players do want to poopsock mobs and put the effort in.
4. After 2 paragraphs of staff bashing (bannable) he then says his opinion of Sirken has gone up.
5. Generally tails off sounding jaded, annoyed but does admit BDA was bleeding players.

Overall quite rustled, at odds with himself and the server, and keen to attribute any blue pop loss to "because BDA left" :o

[Swish]

BDA has and always will reflect what is good about this game

Thats the icing on the cake, lol. Your guild's reflections in this thread have been anything but good :o

[Ravager]

Has Swish ever been right about anything? Honest question. I don't see any evidence of it in this thread at all.

Swish and evidence don't mix.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Thats the icing on the cake, lol. Your guild's reflections in this thread have been anything but good :o

IRL I am a Presbyterian minster. I take very seriously my obligation to spread peace and light in everything I do. At the hospital where I work, that means even being a peaceful influence when others are violent or deranged. Peace be with you, Swish.

[Ravager]

IRL I am a Presbyterian minster. I take very seriously my obligation to spread peace and light in everything I do. At the hospital where I work, that means even being a peaceful influence when others are violent or deranged. Peace be with you, Swish.

I'm sorry about the day when you will realize you've wasted your life when you find out Bristlebane is the One True God.

[maerilith]

Can't we all just quit the fussin and the feudin for a couple moments and just enjoy some pictures of patrick swayze??

2cnd'd this is a lot of thread for the rage quit of a pretty bad guild

my fav patrick + horsey :D

[Mistle]

Swish and evidence don't mix.

Yeah, he is a REALLY bad poster.

[Swish]

Yeah, he is a REALLY bad poster.

Just because you don't agree with me that you were in one of the worst guilds for the casual raid scene in server history doesn't make me a bad poster.

I'm not apologizing for your bad choices at having to submit to a loot council for pixels. ForumQuest in RNF is the extension of this of course... trying to get noticed so you can get your 1/4 portion.

[BigLe2e]

Swish, you got it backwards buddy. You don't brag about waiting 16+ hours for something. If you actually went to the gym like you claimed would you poopsock a treadmill for 16 hours and come back here to brag about the great experience and fun it was? When I go to the bank or dentist and I'm out in less than an hour, now thats brag and praise worthy.

[Swish]

I think the point is lost on some of you. Epic quests aren't meant to be quick and easy. If I went to Phinny I could probably turn up for an instanced Ragefire and have it done in 5 minutes... which dilutes the "epic" part of an epic quest. But hey who gives a shit as long as people get their wallets out? ;)

[Mistle]

He is SO DESPERATE to get me banned. Now that is "rustle". :)


One of the best things about leveling my cleric (2013) was, ironically...sitting in Naggy's lair for 16 hours waiting to hand the pearl in.

[Nirgon]

NO WELFARE



















NO PEACE

[BigLe2e]

I think the point is lost on some of you. Epic quests aren't meant to be quick and easy. If I went to Phinny I could probably turn up for an instanced Ragefire and have it done in 5 minutes... which dilutes the "epic" part of an epic quest. But hey who gives a shit as long as people get their wallets out? ;)

And overall health and fitness isnt an epic journey? So yiu wouldn't wait 16 hours for a stationary bike to open to continue your fitness story? So pixels are more important to you than health? You're just as pixel sick as the rest of these nerds

[Raev]

BDA just doesn't like it when anyone challenges the cult narrative.

[Swish]

And overall health and fitness isnt an epic journey?

It is and I'm on it... thanks for asking :)

[Sodors Finest Poster]

trying to get noticed so you can get your 1/4 portion.

As an officer of the loot council I will award you only a 1/4 portion for this post. It is not very good.

http://i.imgur.com/iAJVlh5.jpg

[Pokesan]

still forcing the star wars meme huh guys

[Sodors Finest Poster]

still forcing the star wars meme huh guys

This shit just went viral in Sodor. Don't judge us for being behind the curve.

[BigLe2e]

It is and I'm on it... thanks for asking :)

Since you're avoiding the question I'll assume you wouldn't wait 16 hours to workout but you admitt to enjoying the 16 hour wait for a drop on a free server. Then you bash people who can afford to pay for a subscription to by pass the wait. Whose the poor welfare pixel recipient now?

[Samoht]

Has Swish ever been right about anything?

He was terrible at playing red on WoW. (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=189465&highlight=nost&page=3)

[Samoht]

More seriously, what I find most amazing about BDA is the total lack of self reflection and the inability to admit any role in the destruction of the R/C system.

You're dumber than Swish. R/C wasn't affected on bit by BDA dissolving the rotation. It was only reverted to its staff created form. The class R rotation was purely player created and player driven.

Sorry A-Team was so bad and had to join a real guild. Doing more with less, amirite? You still can't count.

[xexbis0]

More seriously, what I find most amazing about BDA is the total lack of self reflection and the inability to admit any role in the destruction of the R/C system. Fortunately Swish will keep this thread alive into 2020 to remind you!

BDA just doesn't like it when anyone challenges the cult narrative.

You my boy Raev, but you're way off on this one and the self reflection stuff is really kind of laughable. Every single guild had a part in the destruction of the rotation.

Big 3, in order of frustration with the rotation and desire to blow it to bits:

Taken
Divinity
BDA

From what I could tell. They (BDA) aren't wrong on this one. Taken was tired of the shit as well, and I sure don't blame any of those 3 guilds. Little guild with their spot didn't want to:

- Give up spots in rotation/be penalized for missing spawns
- Give up pushing the bigger R guilds back, particularly affecting BDA and Taken for killing spawns they couldn't.
- Wanted allied kills to be counted towards only that one guilds spot in the rotation aka we want a spot for everything that we can't kill included

The tiny guilds were completely unreasonable to expect the larger guilds to stick with it without giving them any sort of kudos for not allowing targets to lapse into FFA. People in Taken didn't get the luxury of killing only 6pm CST time slotted mobs. We had to answer the bell at any time of day because we were 1 of 2 that could kill anything at anytime and became the class R safety net.

I thank BDA for being the Face of Fuck You. That was the least painful time I had on this server. It was damn nice being able to play the game without fretting about camping out and being logged on in 5 minutes. For a time, I got to play the game like Little Jimmy from the rotation did. And, when I felt like it, it allowed me to take my competitive fire to the next level of the playing field and try to piss in some TMO/IB Cheerio's on FFA mobs.

TL:DR RNF Edition - Bunch of BDA butthurt and you fuckheads wanted your cake, to eat it, and then wanted the Big 3 to give you more cake. Get over it you fucking babies. It's a miracle the Big 3 had the patience to deal with you fucking crybabies for over a year. Never a "thanks for that". Just WAH WAH WAH over the time you lost.

[Swish]

...and why were BDA/Taken in Class R to begin with on a roster of that size? 85-90 man Trakanons?

Lol lol lol

Couldnt compete at the top level and wanted to rule over the smaller guilds. How dare a new raiding guild want to learn a new encounter? What a waste of a slot on the "casual rotation".






Then Velious hits, big man BDA gets its ass kicked in the raid scene but doesnt stick around for the same treatment it gave to the small truly casual guilds.

Hypocrisy at its finest. Glad they're gone yet still emotionally invested enough to stick around and try to argue how bad the staff are here for not giving them what they want.

[xexbis0]

Your knowledge of the raid scene at that time and the mechanics is pretty embarrassing Swish.