BDA to Phinigel

[Phenyo]

Let that shit knock....

Cringin at how bad u think u are for those jay z bars, Yikes.

[AzzarTheGod]

Cringin at how bad u think u are for those jay z bars, Yikes.

damnit people listen to jay-z on this forum?? WHY DIDNT SOMEONE TELL ME!?

*scampers away*




they still hit Chest hard, hes reeling as is the rest of BDA. Deal with it.

[Lulz|Sect]

http://i.imgur.com/LHu6qpc.png

[Ravager]

Guess the 30+ hours I spent helping you get your epic on phinny slipped your mind.

30+ hours for a monk epic on Phinny? I take back every good thing I ever said about BDA, they really do suck at the game.

[AzzarTheGod]

http://i.imgur.com/LHu6qpc.png

fat posting fat

[Computer Man]

Is that really how you view your core high attendance raiders that have been with the guild for multiple years? "They played x class and got some loot then left"? Lol the things you say and think continue to amaze me.



Thank Christ for that.



Guess the 30+ hours I spent helping you get your epic on phinny slipped your mind. Or those countless pieces of hand-me-down gear I passed along to people. Or the dozen or so people I helped level up on Phinny after I hit 60 and didn't need xp anymore. As far as P99 goes. What exactly besides raiding did the guild do that I didn't participate in? I remember doing fungi king groups and other crap like that pretty often. I remember leveling lots of alts with various guildies. Not sure which activities you're referring to that I didn't participate in. I'd love to hear them?



I posted proof in this very thread of myself being a 85%+ attendance raider for 4 months (100% attendance for almost 3 full months) and receiving nothing but a few pieces of throwaway loot that nobody cared about. Meanwhile officers are rolling around in 4-6 pieces of BiS that EVERYONE wanted. Yet despite all evidence you continue with your denial and acting like loot council is just fine. Maybe you didn't have any problems with it (I wonder why) but acting like I'm a jackass for having a problem with it given my experience with it is just absurd. Also fuck any elf piece of shit that thinks they can tell me what I can say or where I can say it. I'll never again be a part of a guild that thinks they have authority over me in any capacity outside of the game.


\
Take note high attendance contributing BDA members. This is what your guild leader truly thinks of you. No amount of hours spent helping him will change that.

Someone is upset lol

[jcr4990]

30+ hours for a monk epic on Phinny? I take back every good thing I ever said about BDA, they really do suck at the game.

In Chest's defense he had EXTREMELY bad luck getting Bro Z to spawn with a robe. I don't even wanna know how many hours were spent in Rathe Mtns between Chest myself and a few other BDA members trying to get him a robe. But it was an absurd amount. The point is I spent a shitload of my own time trying to help Chest out outside of raiding contrary to his "I only participated in raids/was a bystander" horseshit.

[Phantasm]

I think he meant more you werent there making the guild bank, calling shots at raids, talking with the clowns in other guilds, dealing with the cats, logging the mules, catching the rye etc.

Just showing up to raids doesnt mean shit.

Helping people? Thats what good people do Troll you arent getting a prize for that.

Maybe take a breath and just move on, idk this thread seems like you antagonizing a putrid wound for the sake of sniffing it afterward

[Meep]

Dont forget he fronted the BDA batphone to this thread every time someone smeared (more) shit on the guild's already terrible reputation.

Chest himself is knee deep in here now fending off name slurrers and he doesnt even play here anymore :o

yiKes for all parties involved really

[heyokah]

US AND THEM

[Ravager]

US AND THEM
I hate them. Go us!

[heyokah]

Its like funky Molasses inside my ear.

[skarlorn]

I think he meant more you werent there making the guild bank, calling shots at raids, talking with the clowns in other guilds, dealing with the cats, logging the mules, catching the rye etc.

Don't go a other day before you read this dank post

[jcr4990]

I think he meant more you werent there making the guild bank, calling shots at raids, talking with the clowns in other guilds, dealing with the cats, logging the mules, catching the rye etc.

Just showing up to raids doesnt mean shit.

Helping people? Thats what good people do Troll you arent getting a prize for that.

Maybe take a breath and just move on, idk this thread seems like you antagonizing a putrid wound for the sake of sniffing it afterward

So in other words I wasn't an officer? Cause pretty much all that shit you listed is stuff you needed to be an officer to do. Every time Chest mentioned needing more officers during my 2 year period in BDA I offered to help. I've been an officer in much more successful guilds than BDA. From recruitment to co-raidleading. I was repeatedly shot down. You can't refuse to make me an officer then say I was a bystander cause I didn't help perform officer duties. Can't you see how that's kinda retarded?

It was funny getting tells after the last wave of new officers on phinny before I left though. 2 or 3 different people were like "Wtf do these people even do?" to which I had no good answer. Get better priority on loot I guess.

[Ahldagor]

Kenny v Spenny was a lot better as a tv show. This thread should be closed.

[entruil]

what server has the cheapest krono?

[Raev]

Just showing up to raids doesnt mean shit.

Helping people? Thats what good people do Troll you arent getting a prize for that.

Completely wrong. The people who show up to raids frequently, play their class well, and help others with CR and epic fights and such are the best members of your guild.

The reason JCR and others keep poking at BDA in this thread is the thermonuclear level of hypocrisy displayed by everyone involved. BDA members somehow believe that they are part of the most skilled guild ever, despite being ineffective on P99 and slower than top guilds on Phinny. BDA members somehow believe they are part of the nicest guild ever, despite blowing up the rotation on P99 and training/KSing everyone on Phinny. BDA members somehow believe that they are all bros and everyone else is is a bunch of soulless pixel fiends who never chat about anything.

And to make this happen they have to shit on anyone who leaves the guild and speaks the truth. I've talked to multiple ex-BDA and many of them describe it like leaving a cult.

[Phantasm]

You made his point though Troll. You ditched the guild and started flinging the moment you did. Obviously a good thing he didnt move you into the corner office, dont ya think?

Anyway, if you think youve changed anyones mind or made Norrath a better place in these 600 pages, your 700 posts in this thread alone, or with your actions in game, than who am I to stop you?

[Phantasm]

Raev logging in and buffing, maloong a dragon and hoping the fight goes your way is a far shot from calling the shots or seeing behind the curtain whatever he said.

There are a lot of brain dead morons that log in, do nothing productive aside from play the game, and log out.

[Raev]

Well, if you are going to take the Project 1999 attitude that FTErs are all that matter, I can't disagree with you. But that's why the raid scene on this server sucks. Poopsocking is everything.

But I still think you are completely wrong. A guild with solid players and bad officers will outplay a guild with bad players and good officers every time. I've been in both.

[burkemi5]

Completely wrong. The people who show up to raids frequently, play their class well, and help others with CR and epic fights and such are the best members of your guild.

The reason JCR and others keep poking at BDA in this thread is the thermonuclear level of hypocrisy displayed by everyone involved. BDA members somehow believe that they are part of the most skilled guild ever, despite being ineffective on P99 and slower than top guilds on Phinny. BDA members somehow believe they are part of the nicest guild ever, despite blowing up the rotation on P99 and training/KSing everyone on Phinny. BDA members somehow believe that they are all bros and everyone else is is a bunch of soulless pixel fiends who never chat about anything.

And to make this happen they have to shit on anyone who leaves the guild and speaks the truth. I've talked to multiple ex-BDA and many of them describe it like leaving a cult.

Great post, quoting so it doesn't get lost in the shuffle.

[jcr4990]

You made his point though Troll. You ditched the guild and started flinging the moment you did. Obviously a good thing he didnt move you into the corner office, dont ya think?

Anyway, if you think youve changed anyones mind or made Norrath a better place in these 600 pages, your 700 posts in this thread alone, or with your actions in game, than who am I to stop you?

I was 100% in BDA's corner for the longest time and I made (imo) a pretty strong effort to help the guild as much as I could without being an officer. However eventually even the best dog will bite if you mistreat it badly enough/long enough. I may or may not have made any difference with my posts here. I couldn't care less really. I'm not really here to "make a difference" or try to win any internet points. I post in the rants and flames forum for the purpose of ranting and flaming. Weird concept I know.


Completely wrong. The people who show up to raids frequently, play their class well, and help others with CR and epic fights and such are the best members of your guild.

The reason JCR and others keep poking at BDA in this thread is the thermonuclear level of hypocrisy displayed by everyone involved. BDA members somehow believe that they are part of the most skilled guild ever, despite being ineffective on P99 and slower than top guilds on Phinny. BDA members somehow believe they are part of the nicest guild ever, despite blowing up the rotation on P99 and training/KSing everyone on Phinny. BDA members somehow believe that they are all bros and everyone else is is a bunch of soulless pixel fiends who never chat about anything.

And to make this happen they have to shit on anyone who leaves the guild and speaks the truth. I've talked to multiple ex-BDA and many of them describe it like leaving a cult.

This is a very accurate post pal. I have some personal experience in my life with a pretty strict (almost cult-like) religion that I was unfortunately raised in early on in my life. Leaving BDA left me with some odd deja vu feelings from when I gave up on religion and left my "cult". Everyone that used to be your friend and thought highly of you instantly turns on you as the evil apostate. Everyone in the cult thinks they're better than everyone else despite CLEAR evidence to the contrary. Never really thought about it til I saw this post but it's really strange how similar it is. Come to think of it I remember clear as day hearing people in church talking about how other churches work and talking about what they think Atheists believe or what they act like and I asked one of them if they had ever visited other churches or talked to atheists and they totally blew off the question. In my old church everyone was taught that all other churches and especially atheists were literally satan trying to play tricks on you and you're to avoid talking to them or hearing their side of the story at all costs hence you be tricked and not get into paradise. I get the feeling those speakers at my church knew about as much about atheists as Chest knows about hardcore raiding guilds.

Fuck.. This shit is weird as hell the more I think about it...

[Phantasm]

I dont think we have the same thing in mind Raev. Chest mentioned not seeing behind the curtain which i assumed was guild duties. Troll argued he had high play time. I meant high play time does not equal increased responsibility to the guild.

Honestly couldnt care less about raiding. But saying you make the guild operate v function are two different things.

And really there are great people in BDA that you offend by generalizing. Not all rustle are iksar, but we live with them.

[jcr4990]

I dont think we have the same thing in mind Raev. Chest mentioned not seeing behind the curtain which i assumed was guild duties. Troll argued he had high play time. I meant high play time does not equal increased responsibility to the guild.

Honestly couldnt care less about raiding. But saying you make the guild operate v function are two different things.

And really there are great people in BDA that you offend by generalizing. Not all rustle are iksar, but we live with them.

I never claimed that I made the guild operate or function. I was simply pointing out how ludicrous Chest's statement of me being a "bystander" that "Played a shaman for a while and got some loot then left" is. If all I was is "a bystander that played a shaman for a while" then in Chest's mind everyone that isn't an officer is no different. I did about as much for the guild as could be done from a non-officer position. I guess that explains a lot about BDA's leadership issues if the GM views all members as bystanders huh?

You do make a good point Vetus about offending good people in BDA by generalizing. There are a handful of BDA people that I still consider friends and still keep in contact with actually. They know I'm not talking about them. Just to be clear though 99% of my issues with BDA are Chest/Officer related. If you're a regular ole BDA member chances are I really don't have much issue with you and I'm sorry if you're offended but I'm not gonna stop calling it like I see it. I hope for your own sake that you're able to break free from the cult eventually. I promise the grass really is greener on the other side.

[skarlorn]

Great post, quoting so it doesn't get lost in the shuffle.

Good work, quoting this post so burkemis work doesn't go unnoticed

[Raev]

And really there are great people in BDA that you offend by generalizing. Not all rustle are iksar, but we live with them.
I don't think BDA is full of terrible people. If Chest suddenly said 'hey, we're a tight group of pals who like to drink beer and talk sportsball while picking up a few pixels in the evening after a long day of gainful employment. We're not the fastest or the most organized, but we get things done. We look out for our pals first but occasionally we try to do the right thing' I would have zero problems with the guild.

[Dillian]

they were cancer here and they are aids along with EoE on phinigel. Except when they train on phinigel and get away with it.

[arsenalpow]

BDA is cult like? Ok.

[Kushie]

I am free of the cult, AMA

[arsenalpow]

I am free of the cult, AMA

How did you manage to free yourself from my clutches?

[booter]

a tight group of pals who like to drink beer and talk sportsball while picking up a few pixels in the evening after a long day of gainful employment. We're not the fastest or the most organized, but we get things done. We look out for our pals first but occasionally we try to do the right thing' I would have zero problems with the guild.

i don't know why you have any problems with the guild then. p sure BDA has not advertised itself as anything else lol

[Chubbler]

i don't know why you have any problems with the guild then. p sure BDA has not advertised itself as anything else lol


Indeed we have never claimed to be #1, at best we were #2 or #3 and that was for a very BRIEF period. Mainly due to other guilds disolving or being suspended lol. Chest or Anthrax may have flexed their epeens a few times but that's just how they are.

[Kushie]

How did you manage to free yourself from my clutches?

I went through a productive phase of life and managed to take a break. I'll play again when my wife goes on her next business trip and i'm lonely for a woman's touch.

[Kushie]

CONCEDE

[Valakut]

How did you manage to free yourself from my clutches?

Going clear: A BDA Documentary

[Computer Man]

I'll play again when my wife goes on her next business trip...

yikes

http://i.imgur.com/2EWIYGi.jpg

[AzzarTheGod]

How did you manage to free yourself from my clutches?

Probably the jcr method.

Spontaneously checked the loot he got and lost interest.

[Ahldagor]

if they left who cares?

how rustled are you that we need a 500 page thread for a guild that LEFT THE SERVER

holy crap they must have wounded your butt

Um, you can't mention self-awareness. This is RnF

[jcr4990]

Another day of not getting cucked by elf councils

http://i.imgur.com/guBkg58.gif

[Priceline]

everytime you post in this thread, and show everyone your sig of all your emulated level 60s, you are a cuck

Just needs 1 more and he could shoot his own DVDA scene

[Dillian]

EoE is the current cancer LOL.

Ok

no they are aids. Dont you no how to read?

[Dillian]

if they left who cares?

how rustled are you that we need a 500 page thread for a guild that LEFT THE SERVER

holy crap they must have wounded your butt
I want them to come back to p99 and leave my non classic server alone.

[Kushie]

We're going to hit 600. How is everyone feelin?

[Kushie]

Please consult a doctor if your erection lasts more than 4 hours.

[Phantasm]

Its part of their sex appeal

Needs more iksar though. I cant even imagine its current state of affairs

[arsenalpow]

one of our main tanks is a woodelf, hodge is playing a gnome warrior, it's absolute chaos

[jcr4990]

Its part of their sex appeal

Needs more iksar though. I cant even imagine its current state of affairs

Does your Iksar fetish spill over into real life? Like.. is reptile porn a thing that exists? If so is that your flavor?

[AzzarTheGod]

Another day of not getting cucked by elf councils

http://i.imgur.com/guBkg58.gif

*daps fist* my n))ga

[Phantasm]

one of our main tanks is a woodelf, hodge is playing a gnome warrior, it's absolute chaos

Gnome warrior? I thiught they threw those things off a cliff at birth

Does your Iksar fetish spill over into real life? Like.. is reptile porn a thing that exists? If so is that your flavor?

*googles furiously*
Yes, yes it is a thing.

If you cant admire the scales of a nobly born iksar then you need help

[nicemace]

whoever is in OGC make sure you veto Autumnrains app. hes a complete cockbag and lying to you guys about why he left broken wave.

[Relbaic]

Gnome warrior? I thiught they threw those things off a cliff at birth



*googles furiously*
Yes, yes it is a thing.

If you cant admire the scales of a nobly born iksar then you need help

I miss you. Sexually.

[Valakut]

If this thread doesn't reach 600 pages by Christmas I will sharpie the name "Sirken" on my taint and upload it to this thread.

[jcr4990]

If this thread doesn't reach 600 pages by Christmas I will sharpie the name "Sirken" on my taint and upload it to this thread.

Taking a mighty big risk there

If the sun doesn't rise in the morning I'll tattoo "Loot Council 4 Lyfe" on my forehead.

[Phenyo]

everytime you post in this thread, and show everyone your sig of all your emulated level 60s, you are a cuck

[jcr4990]

I'm a dumb person that doesn't know what emulated means. Nobody called me out on it the first time I made a post so I'm posting again like an idiot

Phinigel isn't an emulated server pal. The only emulated lvl 60 in my sig is my single P99 lvl 60 shaman.

Thanks for playing

[jcr4990]

Oh you were quoting some other retard thought you quoted yourself. Either way you're both idiots.

[Phenyo]

Phinigel isn't an emulated server pal. The only emulated lvl 60 in my sig is my single P99 lvl 60 shaman.

Thanks for playing

Sorry PAL, for all intents and purposes it is an emulated server but you actually have to pay to use it. :eek::eek:

[arsenalpow]

Santa should bring Christmas cheer by wiping the red server.

[jcr4990]

Sorry PAL, for all intents and purposes it is an emulated server

Except for the fact that it's not

[Ravager]

Pizza Boy and friends are currently spamming the login server and refreshing the server status page trying to be the first on to petition for the freshly spawned dragonz.

How's work going BDA?

[khysanth]

http://i.imgur.com/IrQUcJn.jpg

59

[Kushie]

Pop that motherfucker

[skarlorn]

plat city bitch

[AzzarTheGod]

ive been scooping up the wangs, and sellin em to a wizard for....

a really long time. nothing gives me more pleasure than helping someone float over the surface of this earth we call Norrath.

[Kushie]

Can anyone confirm if Borgnach or Jeppenstrubber have been online recently? Curious how immersed my pal is.

[jcr4990]

its not retail, its "emulated" classic

basically its all cucks who suck so bad at life they have to re experience fun through the eyes of an elf character

Phinigel is actually a live server. As P99 nerds like to shout from the rooftops Phinigel is "Not Classic" cause "Classic" is Original Game through Velious. Phinigel is in Luclin and going to PoP in Feb.

Sooo.. Not emulated and not classic. Thanks for playing.


P.S. If u hate classic/emulated EQ so much what exactly are u doing on P99 forums?

[Kushie]

5 years of kunark, platinum account sales, GM corruption and TMO/Afterskin lawyerquest bullshit is not classic.

[Computer Man]

5 years of kunark, platinum account sales, GM corruption and TMO/Afterskin lawyerquest bullshit is not classic.

Playing an in game female character but then masquerading on the forums saying you're an "alpha" male isn't classic either.

Did your wife go on that business trip yet so you can play again? alpha af

[Kushie]

Playing an in game female character but then masquerading on the forums saying you're an "alpha" male isn't classic either.


See my signature? That's Kushie's face, a male gnome necromancer.

I'm pretty alpha tho fam

[Computer Man]

See my signature? That's Kushie's face, a male gnome necromancer.

I'm pretty alpha tho fam

On Phinny? Nope lol

[Kushie]

Detoxx tells you, 'concede'

[Bruno]

Apparently I let me twink epic rogue's corpse rot on p99 and I don't even give a fuck.

Almost to 600 before Xmas.

[Priceline]

I think all my corpses rotted training that cipro guy and not giving a fuck.

(keyboard crunching sounds in the distance)

[Bruno]

I think all my corpses rotted training that cipro guy and not giving a fuck.

Worth

[jcr4990]

that cipro guy

Lol'd when I read that part. Almost forgot about that psycho.

[Valakut]

On Phinny? Nope lol

Can confirm Kushie is Alpha

Practically the Dan Bilzerian of Norrath

[arsenalpow]

We used to give that paladin epic skeleton he liked to charm that self dispel sword Bevllos. Good times.

[Kushie]

This thread would be at 600 pages now if half my posts weren't deleted, I got banned for mentioning the history of staff RMT on this server.


P99 rocks guys

[Dillian]

I take back everything i said about bda on phinigel. I met with a few and they are actually really cool. Apparently they have changed since they left p99. what does this server do to people?

[arsenalpow]

I take back everything i said about bda on phinigel. I met with a few and they are actually really cool. Apparently they have changed since they left p99. what does this server do to people?

We've been the same since p99. Don't believe the hype.

[Kushie]

BDA has always had friendly people, great culture and casual attitude while respecting all rules. The only criticism I have is not adopting DKP after raid targets started dying by the truckload. Loot council was great when we only got one or two high priority targets per week, but it led to too many hurt feelings and time wasted in late Velious and Luclin. If you're tracking attendance, you need some sort of point system, BDA loot council is slow as shit.

[Kushie]

Sparked DKP debate to get us to 600. See you soon boys

[Phantasm]

To get DKP you must kill dragons

Obviously DKP wasnt the answer for BDA

[jcr4990]

Like I said a few pages ago there's a lot of good folks in BDA and people I still keep in touch with semi regularly. Loot council is by far the biggest issue and one that the leadership is extremely stubborn about. Threads were made to discuss changes to the loot system all the time and 99% of the time the thread was locked/deleted within an hour or two (Typically when Chest checked the forums). I was one of the few vocal voices against loot council especially after the switch to Phinny. Whether Chest or anyone else believes it or not I did receive quite a lot of tells from random BDA members when I was still in BDA and pushing for us to change how we did loot. There are a LOT of BDA members that disliked it almost as much as I did but were never vocal about it. I think a lot of them just quit playing. A few went to different guilds. I'm sure there's still a good portion of active BDA members that would prefer something else. But Chest is Chest so what the members want doesn't matter too much. As we were so often reminded by dear leader "This isn't a democracy it's a dictatorship"

Inb4 certain BDA members accuse me of lying about people sending me tells that they hated loot council. It happened and it happened often. You can believe me or you can believe BDA propaganda. Your choice.

[Nibblewitz]

Only half a wall of text; glad to see you're at least coping now.

[Bruno]

Like I said a few pages ago there's a lot of good folks in BDA and people I still keep in touch with semi regularly. Loot council is by far the biggest issue and one that the leadership is extremely stubborn about. Threads were made to discuss changes to the loot system all the time and 99% of the time the thread was locked/deleted within an hour or two (Typically when Chest checked the forums). I was one of the few vocal voices against loot council especially after the switch to Phinny. Whether Chest or anyone else believes it or not I did receive quite a lot of tells from random BDA members when I was still in BDA and pushing for us to change how we did loot. There are a LOT of BDA members that disliked it almost as much as I did but were never vocal about it. I think a lot of them just quit playing. A few went to different guilds. I'm sure there's still a good portion of active BDA members that would prefer something else. But Chest is Chest so what the members want doesn't matter too much. As we were so often reminded by dear leader "This isn't a democracy it's a dictatorship"

Inb4 certain BDA members accuse me of lying about people sending me tells that they hated loot council. It happened and it happened often. You can believe me or you can believe BDA propaganda. Your choice.

At this point I wouldn't blame Chest or the loot council inner circle. I can't be bothered by people who won't help themselves. They know what they are into. That's great they sent you tells about it, but if they don't want to do anything about it then it's on them. There are a dozen other options for them at this point to choose from, just like you did. Whether they choose to or not is their problem.

[Phenyo]

I'm buttflustered

Didn't read lul

[Kushie]

Nibblewitz is a savage

But I agree with Trollolol generally, I just don't care enough about loot to leave BDA or be vocal for DKP

[Raev]

To get DKP you must kill dragons

Obviously DKP wasnt the answer for BDA

heh

[Uuruk]

WHATS UP

[Baler]

WHATS UP

No go away.

[jcr4990]

At this point I wouldn't blame Chest or the loot council inner circle. I can't be bothered by people who won't help themselves. They know what they are into. That's great they sent you tells about it, but if they don't want to do anything about it then it's on them. There are a dozen other options for them at this point to choose from, just like you did. Whether they choose to or not is their problem.

I imagine most of them have decided that (at least for now) they'll just stick around cause they mostly like the guild and the people and the loot system hasn't fucked them bad enough yet for them to call it quits. I was in those shoes myself for quite a while. Eventually you become part of the inner circle and get preferred LC treatment OR the straw comes along that breaks the camels back and you get tired of repeatedly being screwed and underappreciated and you bounce.

[Meep]

Nibblewitz is a savage

But I agree with Trollolol generally, I just don't care enough about loot to leave BDA or be vocal for DKP

cuck'd

[Computer Man]

See my signature? That's Kushie's face, a male gnome necromancer.

I'm pretty alpha tho fam

On Phinny? Nope lol

:o


http://i.imgur.com/TvtTXv1.jpg

why u lie on the internet?

[Computer Man]

I'll play again when my wife goes on her next business trip

http://i.imgur.com/2EWIYGi.jpg

[Phenyo]

:o


http://i.imgur.com/TvtTXv1.jpg

why u lie on the internet?

yikes, clean up on aisle fay gate.

[Kushie]

Those luclin graphics look aweful

[Kushie]

Who misses BDA the most?

[skarlorn]

nice shot there computer man

kushie is a woman lol

[AzzarTheGod]

Nibblewitz is a savage


Oh? His foray into Off-Topic was short-lived-- perhaps not the savage once thought afterall.

[Bruno]

Those luclin graphics look aweful

I can't do it. The only ones I can stand but not like are ogre, dwarf, and barb. If the mount bug didn't exist I would have to buy AoNs for all my toons. Maybe they will fix that along with the illusion door bug.

[Phantasm]

Please lock this thread

[Bruno]

Please lock this thread

I thought of that last night. Would be a good troll. Fortunately it's not April fools. Christmas is coming early boys. 600 inc.

[Phenyo]

I thought of that last night. Would be a good troll. Fortunately it's not April fools. Christmas is coming early boys. 600 inc.

Push it to the limit

[Uuruk]

Up to 11 VT lewts now. Feels good playing with people that are fun to be around. (Not BDA)

[AzzarTheGod]

Push it to the limit

so in other words more bars inc

[Izmael]

DING

[maskedmelon]

DONG

[Valakut]

shout out to anyone who attended wwe smackdown in Detroit last night

rhyno was in a dark match and got more cheers than anyone else the entire night

[Kushie]

Welcome to page 600

[Relbaic]

I imagine most of them have decided that (at least for now) they'll just stick around cause they mostly like the guild and the people and the loot system hasn't fucked them bad enough yet for them to call it quits. I was in those shoes myself for quite a while. Eventually you become part of the inner circle and get preferred LC treatment OR the straw comes along that breaks the camels back and you get tired of repeatedly being screwed and underappreciated and you bounce.

Or they just aren't as obsessed with loot as you are. Holy shit dude, let it go it was 6 months ago.

[arsenalpow]

Inner circle gave loot to relbaic last night. I'm sure everyone was up in arms but refusing to speak for fear of being pixel blackballed.

[Bruno]

Posting to be a part of history.

[Phenyo]

Onward towards page 700

[jcr4990]

Or they just aren't as obsessed with loot as you are.

Oh you're right. I forgot BDA is a casual raid guild that raids more than pretty much every hardcore guild on the server and is full of members that raid 5+ days a week and don't care about loot at all.

http://i.imgur.com/seh6p.gif

[jcr4990]

Inner circle gave loot to relbaic last night. I'm sure everyone was up in arms but refusing to speak for fear of being pixel blackballed.

You say that sarcastically but I know for a fact that exact thing happens all the fucking time. You can BDA-spin it away all you want. I witnessed it happening with my own eyes.

[arsenalpow]

You say that sarcastically but I know for a fact that exact thing happens all the fucking time. You can BDA-spin it away all you want. I witnessed it happening with my own eyes.

You aren't an accurate source for anything, ever.

[jcr4990]

You aren't an accurate source for anything, ever.

Well I can tell you I certainly felt that way myself a few times. That I thought a decision was bullshit but I was hesitant to cause too much of a scene about it because whether or not I got any loot and progressed my character and enjoyed the fucking video game I was playing 3-4 hours a night 5-7 days a week was in the hands of a bunch of manchildren picking who their favorite is out of the list of tells that come in for any individual item. Do you think I'm lying about feeling that way? You're an idiot if you do. Do you think I was the only person in the whole guild that ever felt that way? You're literally braindead if you believe that.

I'm not gonna be back home til the 28th where I can access my log files. I'm pretty sure I didn't save anything that far back. But I'll see if I can dig up some proof for you. I got "Wtf" tells from people after loot decisions waaaaaaaaaay more often than you seem to think in fantasy BDA propaganda-land.

[Ahldagor]

So who's swallawed the most pixel jizz in this bukkake laden circle jerk?

[Relbaic]

Oh you're right. I forgot BDA is a casual raid guild that raids more than pretty much every hardcore guild on the server and is full of members that raid 5+ days a week and don't care about loot at all.

http://i.imgur.com/seh6p.gif

You mistaken not caring about loot at all with not getting butthurt over someone else getting something when multiple people are deserving.

[nyclin]

Well I can tell you I certainly felt that way myself a few times. That I thought a decision was bullshit but I was hesitant to cause too much of a scene about it because whether or not I got any loot and progressed my character and enjoyed the fucking video game I was playing 3-4 hours a night 5-7 days a week was in the hands of a bunch of manchildren picking who their favorite is out of the list of tells that come in for any individual item. Do you think I'm lying about feeling that way? You're an idiot if you do. Do you think I was the only person in the whole guild that ever felt that way? You're literally braindead if you believe that.

I'm not gonna be back home til the 28th where I can access my log files. I'm pretty sure I didn't save anything that far back. But I'll see if I can dig up some proof for you. I got "Wtf" tells from people after loot decisions waaaaaaaaaay more often than you seem to think in fantasy BDA propaganda-land.

you've come a long way from your glory days in the Moonlight Crusaders

[Nibblewitz]

Please show us on the doll where BDA touched you.

[maskedmelon]

Please show us on the doll where BDA touched you.

*snatches the doll, tears it open and softly taps on a little red jelly bean hurried in the center of its chest*


:c

[Valakut]

everyone keeps going in circles about the bda loot system, when the truth is in plain sight

the most powerful bda horcrux was the news threads, if you follow back and look at who was often the person to post the raid picture or the people who would comment on it in the first day or 2 of posting, these individuals were guaranteed 50% of the loot just for tapping into this horcrux

[jcr4990]

You mistaken not caring about loot at all with not getting butthurt over someone else getting something when multiple people are deserving.

That depends on your definition of deserving. Does a cleric officer deserve their 5th or 6th BiS whIle a 90% raider is in full rags? I say no. Bda says yes.

[jcr4990]

he is a professional troll, look at his avatar

i dont care about your BDA Guild, but honestly replying to him daily will just make this hit 1k posts

You're barking up the wrong tree. I'm sure multiple BDA officers have scolded Chest for "feeding the trolls on RNF" but he doesn't listen.

[Kushie]

BDA gives no fucks about p99 at this point, this thread is just entertainment during a slow week at work.

P99 cares deeply for BDA.

[arsenalpow]

BDA gives no fucks about p99 at this point, this thread is just entertainment during a slow week at work.

P99 cares deeply for BDA.

[Raev]

Kushie, people who play female characters in video games are not alphas.

[Kushie]

For reals?

[Relbaic]

That depends on your definition of deserving. Does a cleric officer deserve their 5th or 6th BiS whIle a 90% raider is in full rags? I say no. Bda says yes.

If by 5th or 6th BiS item you mean 1 (Tormax head) that he got a month and a half prior, then sure.

[Phantasm]

Kushie, people who play gnomes in video games are not alphas.

[jcr4990]

If by 5th or 6th BiS item you mean 1 (Tormax head) that he got a month and a half prior, then sure.

I don't have access to verify anymore. But I know for a fact there were at LEAST 2 BiS or near BiS items awarded to him prior to the Vulak robe. One was Tormax head. Another was CT Brain and there was a 3rd really good item in there somewhere if I remember correctly. On top of that the vulak robe was replacing a raid-acquired chestpiece while I (and many other 80%+ attendance raiders) were wearing Tola robes and equivalent garbage. So BDA officers are literally upgrading their raid loot with better raid loot before some of the highest attendance members in the guild get anything worth a shit at all.


Sounds so much better than DKP.... If you're an officer.

[Papa]

Eventually you become part of the inner circle and get preferred LC treatment OR the straw comes along that breaks the camels back and you get tired of repeatedly being screwed and underappreciated and you bounce.

another argumentative fallacy, you're full of these

False Alternative (either/or syndrome) — all other possibilities, explanations, or solutions are ignored

i submit for argument that you are just incredibly loot crazed, and as evidence i submit nearly your entire post history

[Papa]

i dont care about your BDA Guild, but honestly replying to him daily will just make this hit 1k posts

but this is the goal we're all striving for?? :confused:

[jcr4990]

another argumentative fallacy, you're full of these

False Alternative (either/or syndrome) — all other possibilities, explanations, or solutions are ignored

i submit for argument that you are just incredibly loot crazed, and as evidence i submit nearly your entire post history

I enjoy receiving loot in one of the most loot-centric games out there. Yes. You caught me. I never understood the negative attitude towards people wanting loot in a game where loot is almost the entire point. Certain folks like to pretend that loot doesn't matter and belittle people that aren't ashamed to say it matters to them. I'd be curious to see how often those same people would show up to raids if the devs just made all raid mobs drop nothing.

That tired old saying "I just like slayin dragons with my friends" is a bunch of bullshit. Nobody kills the same boss they've killed literally HUNDREDS OF TIMES every single week just for the pure enjoyment of killing it again. Give me a fucking break. You do it to get loot to progress your character or to help your friends get gear to progress their characters. That's the whole point of the god damn game from level 1 in greater faydark to lvl 60 in Vex Thal. Character progression.

[Relbaic]

I don't have access to verify anymore. But I know for a fact there were at LEAST 2 BiS or near BiS items awarded to him prior to the Vulak robe. One was Tormax head. Another was CT Brain and there was a 3rd really good item in there somewhere if I remember correctly. On top of that the vulak robe was replacing a raid-acquired chestpiece while I (and many other 80%+ attendance raiders) were wearing Tola robes and equivalent garbage. So BDA officers are literally upgrading their raid loot with better raid loot before some of the highest attendance members in the guild get anything worth a shit at all.


Sounds so much better than DKP.... If you're an officer.

But if you can't verify how can you claim it as fact?

[Kushie]

What do you do for work Kushie? If I had to guess I would say cashier at a Hot Topic.

I am a professional gnome dancer, see my signature

[Ravager]

I enjoy receiving loot in one of the most loot-centric games out there. Yes. You caught me. I never understood the negative attitude towards people wanting loot in a game where loot is almost the entire point. Certain folks like to pretend that loot doesn't matter and belittle people that aren't ashamed to say it matters to them. I'd be curious to see how often those same people would show up to raids if the devs just made all raid mobs drop nothing.

That tired old saying "I just like slayin dragons with my friends" is a bunch of bullshit. Nobody kills the same boss they've killed literally HUNDREDS OF TIMES every single week just for the pure enjoyment of killing it again. Give me a fucking break. You do it to get loot to progress your character or to help your friends get gear to progress their characters. That's the whole point of the god damn game from level 1 in greater faydark to lvl 60 in Vex Thal. Character progression.
If loot is the point, then why not just buy a D&D book, roll up a character and play dress-up with it to your heart's content? You'd save yourself a lot of time and trouble arguing about it.

[Kushie]

Trollolololol is a bro, stop hatin ya'll. We can disagree on loot policies and still be friends.

I miss you Vetus, happy holidays pal! Are you on Phinigel yet?

[jcr4990]

But if you can't verify how can you claim it as fact?

The Tormax head and CT brain as well as a mediocre raid chest piece I'm 100% sure of. I believe there was 1 or 2 other raid drops but I'm not sure and don't have access to verify. Thought I was clear in my post but hopefully this clarifies.


If loot is the point, then why not just buy a D&D book, roll up a character and play dress-up with it to your heart's content? You'd save yourself a lot of time and trouble arguing about it.

For the same reason I don't use godmode cheats in single player games. It's fun for a minute but it gets boring real fast. It's gotta take some effort to deck out your character or else it ruins the fun. This kind of attitude is exactly what ruined WoW and other modern MMO's. Everyone just wanted everything easy and it got to the point where nothing meant anything cause the best gear in the game (or very near the best) just rained on everyone with nearly zero effort. Phinigel is moreso that way than P99 is. But P99 is way too far in the opposite extreme and causes the toxic behavior that has plagued the server for years. Phinny strikes a good balance imo. Your mileage may vary.

[Phantasm]

I miss you Vetus, happy holidays pal! Are you on Phinigel yet?

Man I'm hardly on P99. I've literally logged in like the last 4 days since you guys went to Phinigel.

Hope you guys are having fun though, seems you found the haven you were looking for

[Relbaic]

The Tormax head and CT brain as well as a mediocre raid chest piece I'm 100% sure of. I believe there was 1 or 2 other raid drops but I'm not sure and don't have access to verify. Thought I was clear in my post but hopefully this clarifies.

So it went from 5 or 6 BiS items to now maybe 2 all in a couple hours of posting? You're not very good at this.

[Uuruk]

Relbaic is awful at Everquest.

[jcr4990]

So it went from 5 or 6 BiS items to now maybe 2 all in a couple hours of posting? You're not very good at this.

I was exaggerating and again I thought that was obvious :/ In reality it was for sure 2 BiS (maybe 3?) and another mediocre piece or two including a chestpiece that was replaced with vulak robe. If you care to look back on my posts when I first left I posted exactly what it was cause it was all fresh in my mind at the time. Does it even matter if it was 2 or 5? Wouldn't any reasonable person conclude that 2 BiS items to a single officer while most of your highest attendance members are wearing rags is enough? Seems like common sense to me. But that's not BDA leadership's style.

[Ravager]

For the same reason I don't use godmode cheats in single player games. It's fun for a minute but it gets boring real fast. It's gotta take some effort to deck out your character or else it ruins the fun. This kind of attitude is exactly what ruined WoW and other modern MMO's. Everyone just wanted everything easy and it got to the point where nothing meant anything cause the best gear in the game (or very near the best) just rained on everyone with nearly zero effort. Phinigel is moreso that way than P99 is. But P99 is way too far in the opposite extreme and causes the toxic behavior that has plagued the server for years. Phinny strikes a good balance imo. Your mileage may vary.
So you need an actual game to play and not just loot, but people who play the game for fun and don't go crazy for loot are just pretending that loot doesn't matter?

[Relbaic]

I was exaggerating and again I thought that was obvious :/ In reality it was for sure 2 BiS (maybe 3?) and another mediocre piece or two including a chestpiece that was replaced with vulak robe. If you care to look back on my posts when I first left I posted exactly what it was cause it was all fresh in my mind at the time. Does it even matter if it was 2 or 5? Wouldn't any reasonable person conclude that 2 BiS items to a single officer while most of your highest attendance members are wearing rags is enough? Seems like common sense to me. But that's not BDA leadership's style.

Oh so you were also exaggerating about how helpful you were as well. Gotxha

[jcr4990]

So you need an actual game to play and not just loot, but people who play the game for fun and don't go crazy for loot are just pretending that loot doesn't matter?

Character progression is the point of the game for the vast majority of players. Once max level and all vital AA's are achieved on Phinigel the only meaningful way to advance your character is raid loot. This is the driving force that keeps most people playing. I'd love to end this argument once and for all and just have the devs remove all raid loot from raid mobs for a month and see how much interest people have in "killing dragons with their pals" with no reward. I'd be AMAZED if you could get 50 people on the entire server that gave a shit about raiding with 0 loot opportunity or DKP/Cuck Council Points on the table.

MMORPG's are all about carrot on a stick. Always have been. You can't have all stick and no carrot and you can't have all carrot and no stick. Neither one of those options is fun. You need the right balance of both.

[jcr4990]

Oh so you were also exaggerating about how helpful you were as well. Gotxha

Perhaps? I'm not afraid to admit my bias. My attendance percentages are a fact though and when it comes to deciding who gets loot I'm pretty sure we're all mostly in agreement that how much X person attends raids is pretty much top of the criteria list. Or at least it should be. Unfortunately in certain guilds it seems its way down the list behind "Is X person an officer?" and "Does X person agree with everything I say and never call me out on my bullshit?" and "Does X person love talking about sports in vent the entire raid?"

[Lobus]

Oh man... this thread totally need some Aspergers Awareness:

What’s the Big Deal about Video Games?
by Temple Grandin, PhD
Autism Asperger’s Digest

Recently I read on the Internet that I was showing my age because I was so concerned about constant video game playing. What I am worried about is when video games become such an obsession that they interfere with schoolwork or getting a job. In a new study led by University of Missouri professor Micah Mazurek, the research team examined screen-based media use among adolescents with autism spectrum disorder (ASD). The team discovered that the “majority of youths with ASD (64.2%) spent most of their free time using non-social media (television, video games)” (Mazurek et al. 2011).

How Can Video Games Be Harmful?
Video Games Can Reduce Empathy. Realistic killing of people or animals, showing cruelty and gore, would be much more damaging than a game where inanimate objects or cartoon characters are destroyed. It is my opinion that images that enable a game player to graphically inflict pain and suffering on realistic human images are likely to be the most damaging. Douglas Gentile at Iowa State University reported that a meta-analysis of 136 scientific papers on violent video games showed that playing them led to desensitization and aggressive behavior (Bavelier et al. 2011). Ho

Video Games Can Be Addictive
To classify a video gamer as an addict, his playing of video games has to seriously interfere in multiple aspects of life such as school, family life, and emotional well-being. Dr. Gentile states that approximately 8 percent of video game players ages 8 to 18 are true addicts (Bavelier et al. 2011).

[AzzarTheGod]

skinner box

this can be interpreted a lot of ways.

[maskedmelon]

As much fun as I had with myself, the button's lire was overpowering and I felt compelled to press it. And press it.. And press it...

I was rewarded each time with a delicious little pellet of ecstasy. And so I pressed it. And pressed it... And pressed it some more.

I pressed that button until the pellets lost their sweetness, but still I pressed it. I pressed it... And I pressed it some more.

I pressed it until the pets turned sour, twisting my face in all manner of least flattering ways a face can twist, but still I pressed it. I pressed it.. And I pressed it some more...

I pressed it until it no longer granted me pelllets. It had run dry and my tummy now rumbled, but I refused to accept the truth of it and so inpressed it. I pressed it.. And I pressed it some more.

I grew weak and faint, delerious with need, but it would not sate me and so I pressed it. I pressed it.. And I pressed it some more...

My fingers grew numb, their pads wore raw and the button too, but still I pressed it. I pressed it.. And I pressed it some more...

I lay there pressing that button as the insidious waters of despair filled my little room and still, I pressed it. I pressed it... And I pressed it some more.

Until at long last fatigue took pity on me and drug me kicking and screaming beneath the surface. I cried out in silence as the chilling waters of despair filled my lungs and still I pressed it. I pressed it... I pressed it . . . until I could no more.

[Ravager]

Character progression is the point of the game for the vast majority of players. Once max level and all vital AA's are achieved on Phinigel the only meaningful way to advance your character is raid loot. This is the driving force that keeps most people playing. I'd love to end this argument once and for all and just have the devs remove all raid loot from raid mobs for a month and see how much interest people have in "killing dragons with their pals" with no reward. I'd be AMAZED if you could get 50 people on the entire server that gave a shit about raiding with 0 loot opportunity or DKP/Cuck Council Points on the table.

MMORPG's are all about carrot on a stick. Always have been. You can't have all stick and no carrot and you can't have all carrot and no stick. Neither one of those options is fun. You need the right balance of both.
I will not disagree with you on that point, but I will argue that your approach is less than optimal in terms of maximizing enjoyment.

A person who gets SomeAwesomeLoot on their first raid will not value it nearly as much as person who gets SomeAwesomeLoot on their 100th raid. You agree with this to a degree since you say that WoW just gives everyone everything right away and that's a bad thing.

Now so far as a Loot Council goes, so far you've only bitched about things that went to Officers. Do you have all the numbers from the loot that was awarded to non-officers along with what you deem to be their relative values to each other so that you can demonstrably show that Officers are getting disproportionately more loot than Everyday Eddie raiders?

[AzzarTheGod]

As much fun as I had with myself, the button's lire was overpowering and I felt compelled to press it. And press it.. And press it...

I was rewarded each time with a delicious little pellet of ecstasy. And so I pressed it. And pressed it... And pressed it some more.

I pressed that button until the pellets lost their sweetness, but still I pressed it. I pressed it... And I pressed it some more.

I pressed it until the pets turned sour, twisting my face in all manner of least flattering ways a face can twist, but still I pressed it. I pressed it.. And I pressed it some more...

I pressed it until it no longer granted me pelllets. It had run dry and my tummy now rumbled, but I refused to accept the truth of it and so inpressed it. I pressed it.. And I pressed it some more.

I grew weak and faint, delerious with need, but it would not sate me and so I pressed it. I pressed it.. And I pressed it some more...

My fingers grew numb, their pads wore raw and the button too, but still I pressed it. I pressed it.. And I pressed it some more...

I lay there pressing that button as the insidious waters of despair filled my little room and still, I pressed it. I pressed it... And I pressed it some more.

Until at long last fatigue took pity on me and drug me kicking and screaming beneath the surface. I cried out in silence as the chilling waters of despair filled my lungs and still I pressed it. I pressed it... I pressed it . . . until I could no more.

*dabs eyes* what a beautiful soul u have

[Raev]

But if you can't verify how can you claim it as fact?

I think we are going to need the DKP sheets of everyone involved and then I will give you my personal opinion on how badly JCR was screwed on a 0-10 scale.

[Relbaic]

I think we are going to need the DKP sheets of everyone involved and then I will give you my personal opinion on how badly JCR was screwed on a 0-10 scale.

That sounds like a lot of work for RnF.

[CheeseRoll]

As much fun as I had with myself, the button's lire was overpowering and I felt compelled to press it. And press it.. And press it...

I was rewarded each time with a delicious little pellet of ecstasy. And so I pressed it. And pressed it... And pressed it some more.

I pressed that button until the pellets lost their sweetness, but still I pressed it. I pressed it... And I pressed it some more.

I pressed it until the pets turned sour, twisting my face in all manner of least flattering ways a face can twist, but still I pressed it. I pressed it.. And I pressed it some more...

I pressed it until it no longer granted me pelllets. It had run dry and my tummy now rumbled, but I refused to accept the truth of it and so inpressed it. I pressed it.. And I pressed it some more.

I grew weak and faint, delerious with need, but it would not sate me and so I pressed it. I pressed it.. And I pressed it some more...

My fingers grew numb, their pads wore raw and the button too, but still I pressed it. I pressed it.. And I pressed it some more...

I lay there pressing that button as the insidious waters of despair filled my little room and still, I pressed it. I pressed it... And I pressed it some more.

Until at long last fatigue took pity on me and drug me kicking and screaming beneath the surface. I cried out in silence as the chilling waters of despair filled my lungs and still I pressed it. I pressed it... I pressed it . . . until I could no more.

If I was a mod here, would of limited BDA that don't play anymore to one post per week.

/tell sirken you can make the forums great again

[skarlorn]

nice work here mm this checks out

[Papa]

get loot to progress your character or to help your friends get gear to progress their characters.

that's the part you seem to struggle with :( you aren't happy seeing your friends and guildmates get loot that you think you deserve

[jcr4990]

I can't speak for how loot is going recently in BDA as I obviously haven't been there for a couple months. But I can tell you it's very likely chest or someone else will post a long list of loot as their proof that loot is distributed evenly. But they'll likely leave out that most of the stuff average members are getting is junk and if they are getting good shit it's most likely cause all the favorites have it already.

@Ravaged you're 100% correct that in a way it can feel more rewarding to get loot after many raids instead of right away. This goes along with what I was saying about the correct balance of carrot and stick. Everyone will have differing views on the right balance. I personally felt 4 months of very high attendance raiding with nothing but scrap loot while most officers who have raided roughly the same amount or less have multiple BiS is completely unacceptable and indefensible. It's textbook definition of a corrupt loot system.

[maskedmelon]

(*^^*)

[jcr4990]

that's the part you seem to struggle with :( you aren't happy seeing your friends and guildmates get loot that you think you deserve

I want everyone on my team to get rewarded as fairly and evenly as possible in relation to the effort they put in. I'm unhappy when my "friends and guildmates" get amazing item after amazing item and when the one item I really wanted for several months drops they basically tell me "We gave you a rotting zlandicar heart 3 weeks ago so we're gonna give this to our officer buddy so he can add to his list of bis items" does that sound anything like how a healthy "guild of friends" should operate to you?

[Juevento]

I want everyone on my team to get rewarded as fairly and evenly as possible in relation to the effort they put in. I'm unhappy when my "friends and guildmates" get amazing item after amazing item and when the one item I really wanted for several months drops they basically tell me "We gave you a rotting zlandicar heart 3 weeks ago so we're gonna give this to our officer buddy so he can add to his list of bis items" does that sound anything like how a healthy "guild of friends" should operate to you?

All of that assumes that you are one of the friends. Should have been part of the clique bro.

[Relbaic]

I can't speak for how loot is going recently in BDA as I obviously haven't been there for a couple months.

Only 2 Emp staffs: non officers
All 5 or 6 Aten necks: all non officers
Khati quest earring: 8 total? 2 to officers
2 Aten plate BPs: non officers
Only Emp caster robe: non officer
4 Seru keys: all non officers

So out of 23 BiS items, 2 have gone to officers. You're pretty out of touch with the guild.

All in 61 words. Commence twistibg, Trollolololol.

[booter]

I got one of the emp robes on Wildebeest (officer bias)

You should be with us in VT right now instead of posting here!

[Ravager]

I can't speak for how loot is going recently in BDA as I obviously haven't been there for a couple months. But I can tell you it's very likely chest or someone else will post a long list of loot as their proof that loot is distributed evenly. But they'll likely leave out that most of the stuff average members are getting is junk and if they are getting good shit it's most likely cause all the favorites have it already.

@Ravaged you're 100% correct that in a way it can feel more rewarding to get loot after many raids instead of right away. This goes along with what I was saying about the correct balance of carrot and stick. Everyone will have differing views on the right balance. I personally felt 4 months of very high attendance raiding with nothing but scrap loot while most officers who have raided roughly the same amount or less have multiple BiS is completely unacceptable and indefensible. It's textbook definition of a corrupt loot system.
So you don't know that average members are getting "junk" and that the Officers are all getting BiS, but you'll sit and argue as if it were true? Why is it likely if you don't have the facts? Because you assume it's what they'd do? Is it what you'd do if you were an Officer?

[Relbaic]

I got one of the emp robes on Wildebeest (officer bias)

You should be with us in VT right now instead of posting here!

At work for another hour. I want to give the casual scum a shot at some decent items.

[Raev]

That sounds like a lot of work for RnF.

It's not work, it's Justice.

Plus, if everyone agrees it was a good or at least defensible loot decision, then JCR looks pretty terrible. And RNF is in general pretty fair about these kinda things.

[skarlorn]

All of that assumes that you are one of the friends. Should have been part of the clique bro.

All of that assumes that you are one of the friends. Should have been part of the clique bro.

Should have been part of the clique bro.

[booter]

Because you assume it's what they'd do? Is it what you'd do if you were an Officer?

He has literally posted in this thread that since he is biased and he knows he would be guilty of this, he doesn't trust any loot council

[Kushie]

Trollololol was definitely part of the inner clique of BDA. Moardots would have had the dopest gear and loot rained on him in the following weeks after our first Vulak kill.

I certainly understand loot council frustrations but they genuinely try to be as fair and transparent as possible, they even started posting loot data.

[jcr4990]

So you don't know that average members are getting "junk" and that the Officers are all getting BiS, but you'll sit and argue as if it were true? Why is it likely if you don't have the facts? Because you assume it's what they'd do? Is it what you'd do if you were an Officer?

I literally just said I don't know the current status of BDA's loot distribution because I haven't been around it for a few months now. I can only draw from my past experience as I was a regular raider for around 2 years. It's possible in the couple months since I left things have changed from how they were for 2 years. I find it unlikely but I never said it was impossible. History has a tendency of repeating itself. Although I suppose it's possible that it caused enough waves when I left over blatant LC favoritism that they switched it up a bit. One of the people in BDA I keep in contact with said things have improved a bit since I left. Who knows. I hope that me leaving caused things to improve if for no other reason than the BDA people I'm still friends with being treated fairly. I know not all of them have felt they were treated fairly in the past.

Also yes for the record I've said it before and will say it again now. I wouldn't trust myself in a loot council position. I would ABSOLUTELY be more likely to want to give my friends loot over people who might actually be more deserving. I could easily see myself voting against somebody getting loot based solely on me not liking them personally. Loot council leaves WAY too much room for bias whether conscious or not and I think loot goes to people the officers like more often than it goes to who actually earned it very very often. At least that seemed to be the case when I was a member. It's possible that it's not even happening consciously and its just a subconscious thing that the officers aren't even aware is happening. But I don't think I was imagining it and I don't think the other people that brought it up to me were imagining it either.

[arsenalpow]

zero examples aside from troll not getting the robe he desired, thanks4shaere

[booter]

Also yes for the record I've said it before and will say it again now. I wouldn't trust myself in a loot council position. I would ABSOLUTELY be more likely to want to give my friends loot over people who might actually be more deserving. I could easily see myself voting against somebody getting loot based solely on me not liking them personally.

Well it's a good thing it is a loot council and not a loot person, and it is filled with people who are aware of their own biases and not afraid to compromise and come to a consensus that is best for the guild

[Ravager]

Hey Chest, didn't you spend years on P99 without getting an upgrade on your monk and only rot upgrades for your alts, yet you still ran raids practically every day or otherwise logged spell bots and taught people how to raid so they could advance their toons?

If what Troll says is true and history is repeating itself, you sir, are corrupt as hell.

[jcr4990]

Hey Chest, didn't you spend years on P99 without getting an upgrade on your monk and only rot upgrades for your alts, yet you still ran raids practically every day or otherwise logged spell bots and taught people how to raid so they could advance their toons?

If what Troll says is true and history is repeating itself, you sir, are corrupt as hell.

As far as P99 goes it's not like he was passing on upgrades for his monk left and right. He had the best gear he could get and nothing BDA was capable/willing to raid dropped upgrades for him. Whenever something dropped that actually was an upgrade for him it pretty much went to him 100% of the time. PD Crown/Robe.etc

[Man0warr]

As far as P99 goes it's not like he was passing on upgrades for his monk left and right. He had the best gear he could get and nothing BDA was capable/willing to raid dropped upgrades for him. Whenever something dropped that actually was an upgrade for him it pretty much went to him 100% of the time. PD Crown/Robe.etc

But he still came to all those raids for years despite there not being any upgrades BDA could get for him. Doesn't add up.

[jcr4990]

But he still came to all those raids for years despite there not being any upgrades BDA could get for him. Doesn't add up.

Pretty sure he was holding out for P99 raid scene to change in a way that would allow BDA to progress without turning into Awakened/Aftermath. When it became apparent that it was never going to happen he decided to move the whole guild to phinigel very shortly after.

[Donjulio]

But he still came to all those raids for years despite there not being any upgrades BDA could get for him. Doesn't add up.

O shit here comes a 4 paragraph rebuttal!

[jcr4990]

O shit here comes a 4 paragraph rebuttal!

Try 2 sentences

NICE GUESS THO BUDDY

[Uuruk]

Ok, not going to lie i can't read this shit anymore.

[Computer Man]

BDA gives no fucks about p99 at this point, this thread is just entertainment during a slow week at work.

P99 cares deeply for BDA.

This thread has become 90% infighting between current BDA and ex-BDA. It's aids.

P99 gives no shits about a deadbeat guild who got run off the server doing instanced raiding on an unclassic TLP server with a cash shop, kronos and other shit that has no place in the best of all time MMORPG.

600+ page joke about how not to play EQ or run a guild :o

[jcr4990]

600+ page joke about how not to play EQ

So let me get this straight. Phinigel = wrong way to play EQ and this shit:

As the last thread fizzled out because no one wanted to discuss it, I am bringing the discussion back with actual scenarios that should be addressed.

We are all aware that you can lock into a mob after a raid has wiped to that mob or the hour lock has expired. What about legitimate ways to obtain this new lock?

Sirken wrote, in reply to an old question:

Quote:
4) the guild has 60 min to engage the raid target. if they wipe, or exceed the 60 min limit on engaging, the raid target then becomes FFA and these footrace rules do not apply.
Scenario:
<Guild A> locks in on Target. <Guild A> pulls Target but wipes or an hour elapses.

1) Target is at his spawn point. Either the hour has expired or <Guild A> wiped and Target has successfully pathed back to his spawn.
Can <Guild B> Call of the Hero a member of their guild near Target's spawn point to tag Target for a new lock?
Can <Guild B> gate a member of their guild near Target's spawn point to tag Target for a new lock?
Can <Guild B> log in a member of their guild near Target's spawn point to tag Target for a new lock?

The referenced quote of Sirken says, these footrace rules do not apply. This would imply these are acceptable, provided you are not violating Tracker FTE. Gating or logging in on top of Target's spawn point in my mind would violate this.

2) Target is pathing back from wiping <Guild A>
Can <Guild C> Call of the Hero a member of their guild into Target's path back to his spawn to tag Target for a new lock?
Can <Guild C> gate a member of their guild into Target's path back to his spawn to tag Target for a new lock?
Can <Guild C> log in a member of their guild into Target's path back to his spawn to tag Target for a new lock?

Again, per the quote, I would guess that as long as Tracker FTE is not obtained, all of this would be an acceptable way to lock in.

I do not see any requirements to obtain subsequent FTEs, as long as your Tracker does not get it. If we could have a civil discussion on this topic, and maybe if Sirken has some thoughts, I believe it would benefit all of us to be on the same page.

= Right way to play EQ?

[Baler]

BDA to Phinigel
User Name Posts
jcr4990 748

[jcr4990]

BDA to Phinigel
User Name Posts
jcr4990 748

Whoa you're the first person to post that congrats

[Baler]

I'm just sour because I miss swish.

And BDA ***'d and instead of their whole guild getting their name shit on they went to another server where lots of people do that despicable shit.

[Computer Man]

So let me get this straight. Phinigel = wrong way to play EQ and this shit:



= Right way to play EQ?

My quote is 600+ pages long, sorry you lost

[Uuruk]

In other news Daldaen is one of the best players i have ever played with.

[Raev]

In other news Daldaen is one of the best players i have ever played with.

You mean the same Daldaen that you flamed for 200 pages as a cuck and TLDR?

[skarlorn]

You mean the same Daldaen that you flamed for 200 pages as a cuck and TLDR?

http://i.imgur.com/4ITkvgz.jpg

don't hit him while he's down bro. this change of heart, admission that he was wrong, is a very important step in Uuruk's emotional development (retarded as it is). The next step is for him to stop hating himself. And who knows. He may die before that happens.

It's up to us to support him.

[Uuruk]

You mean the same Daldaen that you flamed for 200 pages as a cuck and TLDR?

Yes, same guy

[Kushie]

Autism and cuckolds aren't funny. Get some new burns

[Kushie]

Also the worst thing about BDA is the misspelling. <Bregan D'Aerth> and <Bregan D Aerth> is not correct.

[Ravager]

Pretty sure he was holding out for P99 raid scene to change in a way that would allow BDA to progress without turning into Awakened/Aftermath. When it became apparent that it was never going to happen he decided to move the whole guild to phinigel very shortly after.
Truly, the work of a man who was only seeking loot for himself.

[jcr4990]

Truly, the work of a man who was only seeking loot for himself.

Not exactly what I was saying. Chest himself said when he decided to leave P99 that the reason was he didn't feel like there was a "path to progression" for him or his guild anymore. Nearly everyone seemed to be holding out hope that Velious would fix all of P99's problems and it didn't. But the point once again is that EQ and MMORPG's in general are about progressing your character. When you can't progress anymore the game becomes stale for most people. There's some exceptions but not many.

[zanderklocke]

Oh man... this thread totally need some Aspergers Awareness:

What’s the Big Deal about Video Games?
by Temple Grandin, PhD
Autism Asperger’s Digest

Recently I read on the Internet that I was showing my age because I was so concerned about constant video game playing. What I am worried about is when video games become such an obsession that they interfere with schoolwork or getting a job. In a new study led by University of Missouri professor Micah Mazurek, the research team examined screen-based media use among adolescents with autism spectrum disorder (ASD). The team discovered that the “majority of youths with ASD (64.2%) spent most of their free time using non-social media (television, video games)” (Mazurek et al. 2011).

How Can Video Games Be Harmful?
Video Games Can Reduce Empathy. Realistic killing of people or animals, showing cruelty and gore, would be much more damaging than a game where inanimate objects or cartoon characters are destroyed. It is my opinion that images that enable a game player to graphically inflict pain and suffering on realistic human images are likely to be the most damaging. Douglas Gentile at Iowa State University reported that a meta-analysis of 136 scientific papers on violent video games showed that playing them led to desensitization and aggressive behavior (Bavelier et al. 2011). Ho

Video Games Can Be Addictive
To classify a video gamer as an addict, his playing of video games has to seriously interfere in multiple aspects of life such as school, family life, and emotional well-being. Dr. Gentile states that approximately 8 percent of video game players ages 8 to 18 are true addicts (Bavelier et al. 2011).

Temple Grandin's Thinking in Pictures is worth a read. I enjoyed it.

[khysanth]

http://i.imgur.com/IrQUcJn.jpg

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[Uuruk]

Comments like this only confirm that you are an autistic cuck

[Relbaic]

As far as P99 goes it's not like he was passing on upgrades for his monk left and right. He had the best gear he could get and nothing BDA was capable/willing to raid dropped upgrades for him. Whenever something dropped that actually was an upgrade for him it pretty much went to him 100% of the time. PD Crown/Robe.etc

Officers have a total of 11 items out of VT out of the roughly 170-180 that have dropped. Corrupt as hell.

[Papa]

Ok, not going to lie i can't read this shit anymore.

We've heard this before and the bad posters who say it (you and some other guy) always come back. You had to create another forum account just so you could keep posting here. :o

This thread has become 90% infighting between current BDA and ex-BDA. It's aids.

P99 gives no shits about a deadbeat guild who got run off the server doing instanced raiding on an unclassic TLP server with a cash shop, kronos and other shit that has no place in the best of all time MMORPG.

600+ page joke about how not to play EQ or run a guild :o

This guy is obv swish. Same tone, same talking points, same emoji. Very very sad.

[Uuruk]

We've heard this before and the bad posters who say it (you and some other guy) always come back. You had to create another forum account just so you could keep posting here. :o



This guy is obv swish. Same tone, same talking points, same emoji. Very very sad.

Show me my forum account I created so I could keep posting here.

I'll wait.

[Ravager]

This guy is obv swish. Same tone, same talking points, same emoji. Very very sad.
Swish wouldn't post from another account, not after he accused me and probably a few others of doing the same thing. He is a man of integrity and would not commit such hypocrisy. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :o:o:o:o:o

[jcr4990]

Show me my forum account I created so I could keep posting here.

I'll wait.

Is there a prize if I can guess the account?


This guy is obv swish. Same tone, same talking points, same emoji. Very very sad.

Interesting. I didn't really make the connection til you pointed it out but now that you mention it and I read back through "Computer Man" post history it definitely seems like he might be Swish. If he isn't Swish he's almost as dumb.

[Uuruk]

Is there a prize if I can guess the account?




Interesting. I didn't really make the connection til you pointed it out but now that you mention it and I read back through "Computer Man" post history it definitely seems like he might be Swish. If he isn't Swish he's almost as dumb.

I just want to hear what account I created to post around the ban.

[Tipsyer]

You've had it for awhile. :)

[Kushie]

Computer Man feels like one of those angsty teenage Haggard Krew or Asgard peeps if I had to guess. He's not as dumb as Swish but more angry

[Kushie]

Also TSA doesn't stop terrorism and Bitcoin is almost $900. How we feelin p99?

[Uuruk]

Uuruk isn't bigbard?

He said I had to create another account to continue posting which is incorrect.

[Phenyo]

610 pages of jcr crying like a jilted lover on the warpath, someone should write a ballad about it.

[jcr4990]

610 pages of jcr crying like a jilted lover on the warpath, someone should write a ballad about it.

I was defending BDA for the first 300-400 pages before I broke free from the cult. You must be new?

[Kushie]

One of the finest internet crusaders in everquest history I must add

[jcr4990]

One of the finest internet crusaders in everquest history I must add

Thanks pal <3

http://i.imgur.com/7UK66Xv.gif

[Baler]

I don't think that's something you should be proud of. *crickets* *coughing* *more crickets*

[jcr4990]

I don't think that's something you should be proud of. *crickets* *coughing* *more crickets*

What's that saying? If you're going to do something make sure you do it well? I take pride in my work

[Baler]

What's that saying? If you're going to do something make sure you do it well? I take pride in my work

You take pride in arguing for a bad guild on a forum for a server they no longer officially play?
waow.

[jcr4990]

You take pride in arguing for a bad guild on a forum for a server they no longer officially play?
waow.

I'm a professional forum troll and shitposter. The whole arguing for a bad guild thing is unfortunate. I got caught up in a cult like I said before. It happens.

[FatMice]

This thread has put the free AoN / CoF thread to shame. Grats!

[Baler]

I'm a professional forum troll and shitposter.

Quoting this for the history books.

[Relbaic]

I'm a professional forum troll and shitposter. The whole arguing for a bad guild thing is unfortunate. I got caught up in a cult like I said before. It happens.

We're BDA, not Cult of Chaos. Get your guilds straight.

[Baler]

Cult of ***

[Kushie]

Top RNF thread of all time.

[Phenyo]

I'm a professional forum troll and shitposter. The whole arguing for a bad guild thing is unfortunate. I got caught up in a cult like I said before. It happens.

Usually you have to be good at something to be considered a professional? :confused::confused:

'Haha J-just joking a-about the bda thing im b-baitmasterx I troll u all XDDD'

Keep at it little fella im sure one day you'll make it

[Baler]

BDA pays him with their illegitimate obtained funds to shit post on these forums.

[Relbaic]

Cult of ***

Cult of OGC?

[Baler]

nope it's a word that gets the fools banned by the daily. 3 letters and those pieces of dog shit can rott in mother fucking hell. They disface the spirit of the game and ruin the fun for everyone around them. Fuck them.

[Papa]

Cult of OGC?

Cult of the next daddy-figure he needs to replace Chest. His new leader leads TWO top guilds on TWO servers!

[Kushie]

Making Chest mad is the only reason I played Everquest for so long.

[Relbaic]

nope it's a word that gets the fools banned by the daily. 3 letters and those pieces of dog shit can rott in mother fucking hell. They disface the spirit of the game and ruin the fun for everyone around them. Fuck them.

Ok now you've lost me.

[Fifield]

Making Chest mad is the only reason I played Everquest for so long.

I have come to enjoy this

Though they wont see eye to eye, Chest and Detoxx are fun as hell to game with, regardless of which game

[Kushie]

RMT? He's babbling like an old man.

[Kushie]

Re: Baler ^

[Relbaic]

Re: Baler ^

You're posting more, you must be getting the itch again.

[Kushie]

I stopped playing video games completely for a while. Then I built a rig around a GTX 1080 and have been playing the shit out of Battlefield 1 and Overwatch.

I thought about firing up Phinigel to say hello but Bard is kind of lame. I miss my Dwarf Cleric and Gnome Necro on p99

[Kushie]

Everquest on a GTX 1080 seems absurd

[Baler]

I built a rig around a GTX 1080 and have been playing the shit out of Battlefield 1 and Overwatch.
As a hardcore PC enthusiast,. it's people like this who are ruining the gaming industry for pc gamers.
fucking BF1 and overwatch,. you fucking pussey,. play real games,. record some god gamn uncompressed video for fuck sakes.

[Kushie]

Who says I don't do video editing? This 32 gigs of DDR4 has to do something.

[Kushie]

Page 613 is henceforth dedicated to my Dwarf Cleric, Consumption

[Kushie]

Tr-tr-tri-tri-tripppple post

[Baler]

ramdisk is the shit for eq,. just saying :)

[Fifield]

Then I built a rig around a GTX 1080 and have been playing the shit out of Battlefield 1 and Overwatch.


My new pc will be here in Jan and I plan on doing the same.

Cant wait to play battlefield 1, i've been putting it off waiting for the new PC for that max settings feels

[Kushie]

Battlefield 1 is just as good if not better than Battlefield 1942. It is awesome.

I picked up Overwatch because it was on sale for $40, I really fucking like this game too.

[Kushie]

Also almost 200 posts in this thread, I'd be at 250 if I didn't mention corrupt GMs and get banned.

[skarlorn]

http://i.imgur.com/ftV9qXK.jpg

[Baler]

FUCK BDA THEY SHOULD BE BANNED.

[Swish]

A month off and people intentionally double/triple posting to push the page count up - yikes.

People still brown nosing for instanced pixels? :o

[skarlorn]

People still brown nosing for instanced pixels? :o

here's the minutes to get you up to speed:

1) jcr quit after getting cucked (literally chest came into town and fucked jcr's fleshlight while shouting "HOPE U LIKE NOT HAVING A VULAK ROBE)

2) jcr melted down in public, repeatedly

3) kushie quit BDA because Loot Council is for morans

4) juevento publicly announced that the only way to get pixels in BDA is to be in the clique

5) chest continues his allegations that I am the Banned poster Captnamazing (as if that's anything short of a compliment)

6) p99 raid scene sucks, bda still sucks except now that they are in a CSR free environment, their toxic side has come out and they've established a reputation as trainers and KSers

[Swish]

Someone needs to get this info to the warm bodies they're picking up over there.... somehow...

[Baler]

The warm bodies don't care man,. They know the facts,. and they get banned for saying the 1 word that is true...

BDA cheated P99 and got away with it,.. It's fucked up.

[Baler]

BDA cheated P99 and got away with it

BAN THOSE CUNTS,..
FUCK BDA THOSE PIECES OF SHIT!!!

[AzzarTheGod]

here's the minutes to get you up to speed:

1) jcr quit after getting cucked (literally chest came into town and fucked jcr's fleshlight while shouting "HOPE U LIKE NOT HAVING A VULAK ROBE)

2) jcr melted down in public, repeatedly

3) kushie quit BDA because Loot Council is for morans

4) juevento publicly announced that the only way to get pixels in BDA is to be in the clique

5) chest continues his allegations that I am the Banned poster Captnamazing (as if that's anything short of a compliment)

6) p99 raid scene sucks, bda still sucks except now that they are in a CSR free environment, their toxic side has come out and they've established a reputation as trainers and KSers

let it be known that beasts still walk among us.

blessed be.