ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[Sirken]

ok I can't possibly read all the pages here right now so I will start small

RHAEGAR TARGARYEN was the true heir of the Targgaryen's, that is not been questioned that I know of.

and since that is true and the prevalent theory is the Jon Snow is his son that makes JS the true heir, even over Daenerys. Because the line follows Rhaegar's line as long as it exists. BUT if Aegon is who they say he is, He becomes the true heir as he would be Jon Snow's older brother.

Please feel free to say if that logic isnt correct, but if it is then........

That means That Sansa, Arya, Bran and Rickon are not the true heirs of Winterfell, in the books Rob Stark's wife is alive, and GRRM has stated she will be reappearing, and Rob's child will be the true heir of Winterfell, Right?

Yep I know the child could die and this issue can be non-existant, but for the time being that should change the outlook of things, and Sansa marrying anyone means nothing.

Rhaegar was the true Heir until Rhaegar died, at which time Aegon would have been the true heir. however that all goes out the window when your kingdom is usurped by Robert Baratheon. i personally do not believe Young Griff is Rhaegar's son. i believe Young Griff is a blackfyre (possibly even related to Illyrio if you buy in to the rumors that Illyrio's wife was a Blackfyre from a female line).

as far as Jon Snow, he is not the heir to anything. he is a non-legitimized bastard (ill excuse him from his sworn oath of the nights watch based on how book 5 ends).

Robb's wife was tricked into drinking moontea to lose Robb's baby. the mismatching descriptions of Jeyne from Catelyn and Jaime are just a mistake admitted by GRRM. i suspect the only reason we will see Jeyne again is to confirm these things for the readers. GRRM wrote the Red Wedding show episode, theres a reason he killed Robbs wife. Bran would be the Heir, but hes busy forever, so Rickon would be the heir of Winterfell.

if you want some crazy (and mostly good) ASOIAF theories, check this guy out - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXU7XVK_2Wd6tAHYO8g9vAA

[Patriam1066]

you made me giggle here. they are implying that Euron was glamoured to look like Daario after killing the leaders of the stormcrows. do not forget Euron has Pyat and the wizard nerds. we know for a fact glamours exist because Rattleshirt is glamoured in book 5 to look like Mance Rayder. and the glamour works so well that all the wildlings believe that Mance is indeed burned by Melisandre.

That makes much more sense. Thanks for the clarification. And yeah I knew that about Mance, but I didn't catch that part in terms of Euron. I thought preston was just saying he put on a wig and dyed his beard blue and was like "Howdy y'all Daario's back and better than ever!"

Pretty dumb but yeah, precisely why I was like WTF PJac

[Sirken]

That makes much more sense. Thanks for the clarification. And yeah I knew that about Mance, but I didn't catch that part in terms of Euron. I thought preston was just saying he put on a wig and dyed his beard blue and was like "Howdy y'all Daario's back and better than ever!"

Pretty dumb but yeah, precisely why I was like WTF PJac

haha thats why we're all here, to share the bits we know that we might have otherwise missed ;)

[Tiggles]

Get Hype

https://youtu.be/psS2IMFkxKo

[Sirken]

12 days :P

[Rain1]

New excerpt from Winds of Winter

http://www.georgerrmartin.com/excerpt-from-the-winds-of-winter/

[Sirken]

im starting to think hes only releasing chapters based on either, A) the show is going to spoil that part of the book anyway, or B) the show is cutting the characters that chapter is based around.

ie: sansa stuff, dany stuff, ironborn stuff. although that Mercy(Arya) chapter shouldnt be this season no matter how they slice it. so i dunno

[Tiggles]

im starting to think hes only releasing chapters based on either, A) the show is going to spoil that part of the book anyway, or B) the show is cutting the characters that chapter is based around.

ie: sansa stuff, dany stuff, ironborn stuff. although that Mercy(Arya) chapter shouldnt be this season no matter how they slice it. so i dunno

All of the previous chapters he released where ones that he had cut from adwd so that explains them.

This sans a chapter is probably something that differs from the show completely and has reletivly little impact so I think he was just throwing us a bone.

[Sirken]

fucking sansa. ruins everything. although if the show does take her to winterfell id like to see how they pull that off

[Sirken]

ep1 description -
Cersei and Jaime adjust to a world without Tywin. Varys reveals a conspiracy to Tyrion. Daenerys faces a new threat to her rule. Jon is caught between two kings.

so excite

[beyondinfin]

I just heard some fucked up news....

http://techcrunch.com/2015/04/12/game-of-thrones-season-5-episode-leak/

The night is dark and full of spoilers :( Better shut off my internet for next 4 weeks

[Sirken]

I just heard some fucked up news....

http://techcrunch.com/2015/04/12/game-of-thrones-season-5-episode-leak/

The night is dark and full of spoilers :( Better shut off my internet for next 4 weeks

im not worried about spoilers, i just dont wanna wait another month for new episodes

[Twoberries]

I just heard some fucked up news....

http://techcrunch.com/2015/04/12/game-of-thrones-season-5-episode-leak/

The night is dark and full of spoilers :( Better shut off my internet for next 4 weeks

True story. Won't be around to watch season premier this evening so I watched it this morning on Movie4k

http://www.movie4k.to/Game-of-Thrones-watch-tvshow-6052429.html

EDIT: Don't go in without your Adblock condom on ...

[Nocsucow]

Wow!!! What a season opener! !!!

[Millburn]

So can we talk about the 4 episodes that are out right now or are we going to discus them week by week as if the leak didn't happen? I don't want to rain on anyone's parade here accidentally.

[Twoberries]

So can we talk about the 4 episodes that are out right now or are we going to discus them week by week as if the leak didn't happen? I don't want to rain on anyone's parade here accidentally.

ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

Let it out, man. Let it all out...... :cool:

[Pokesan]

no ruby?

[wts]

Not watching leaked shit, 10 episodes is short enough as it is. Watching episode 1 at work did remind me of this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjzC2DRgEo4).

[MrSparkle001]

I'm only on page 100 or so of book 5 A Dance With Dragons.

Whatever happened to the whole thing with the red comet and the prophecies and whatnot? It was a big deal for a long time in the books but it's like it was dropped and forgotten by Martin. There's been no mention of the comet, no mention of any prophecies, nothing. I know Martin takes forever and a day to develop plots but he made a big deal of the comet in the sky then said nothing further about it for thousands of pages.

[Sirken]

soooo

should we discuss the state of winterfell on the opening credit. no more fires and hello bolton sigil

[holahouze]

I'm only on page 100 or so of book 5 A Dance With Dragons.

Whatever happened to the whole thing with the red comet and the prophecies and whatnot? It was a big deal for a long time in the books but it's like it was dropped and forgotten by Martin. There's been no mention of the comet, no mention of any prophecies, nothing. I know Martin takes forever and a day to develop plots but he made a big deal of the comet in the sky then said nothing further about it for thousands of pages.
MrSparkle, i'm a casual reader who lurks this board to pick up tidbits from larger brain pans who enjoy both book and TV series. But, since you haven't heard from the smart set -- I think the comet is just a comet, and Martin uses it to show how people interpret signs and prophecies differently. If I HAD to ascribe plot importance to the comet, it would be dragons and magic making a comeback.

[Sirken]

the comet could mean a lot of things. in the book however, its one way for us to know where everyone is at a relatively exact moment in time. the book chapters can be minutes, days, or weeks apart. so when you finish a Jon chapter and move on to a Dany chapter, it doesnt mean that chapter picks up in the same minute that the previous chapter ended.

another use of the comet was to showcase different meanings it has to everyone, but also the similarities between some of those different meanings. it could be the return of dragons that Osha says, it could be Azor Azai is reborn, and it could just be a pretty comet. they could all be right, they could all be wrong, or some mixture in between.

but heres a question, why the F would Varys try to poison Dany in S1, if they were only going to cut Aegon and have Varys support Dany in the end, anyway. that makes no sense. unless they try to get clever and act like someone else (maybe Tywin) tried to poison Dany instead of Varys. unless... this is all a ruse.

[Mandalore93]

Varys knew that having amateurs do it would only lead to Drogo getting pissed as fuck and coming across the sea - something no Dothraki Khal has ever done. If he had really wanted it done then he could have gone a different means...as Littlefinger described to stupid Ned after the council meeting in the books.

[citizen1080]

the comet could mean a lot of things. in the book however, its one way for us to know where everyone is at a relatively exact moment in time. the book chapters can be minutes, days, or weeks apart. so when you finish a Jon chapter and move on to a Dany chapter, it doesnt mean that chapter picks up in the same minute that the previous chapter ended.

another use of the comet was to showcase different meanings it has to everyone, but also the similarities between some of those different meanings. it could be the return of dragons that Osha says, it could be Azor Azai is reborn, and it could just be a pretty comet. they could all be right, they could all be wrong, or some mixture in between.

but heres a question, why the F would Varys try to poison Dany in S1, if they were only going to cut Aegon and have Varys support Dany in the end, anyway. that makes no sense. unless they try to get clever and act like someone else (maybe Tywin) tried to poison Dany instead of Varys. unless... this is all a ruse.

http://dirkkelly.com/gifs/archer/ruse.gif

[Patriam1066]

i mean you say that, but had Jorah not intervened, the mother of dragons would be worm food. Varys would have had to risk literally everything (by risking Dany's life) on the gamble that Jorah would step in to save her. just doesnt fit for me.

As far as the books go, once Young Griff appeared and Varys did that bit with Kevan, it seemed that he was definitely working towards "Aegon" being put on the throne. Who knows though, but at least from the text I don't get the impression that Dany is who him and Illyrio actually want on the throne.

I pretty much agree with you about the show. I don't know what they're doing with Varys. Gonna assume you didn't watch the leaked episodes, so I won't spoil anything. All I can say is we were right. They are definitely not going to spoil the plot of the remaining books. This season is completely different than what was happening contemporaneously in AFfC and ADwD.

If you watched the leaked episodes:
WTF did they do to Sansa. And Mance...... if that dude is really dead, they took out a major part of the books. I guess it makes sense since he wouldn't be needed to steal back "Arya," but seriously...

[Calabee]

So can we talk about the 4 episodes that are out right now

They all suck, season 5 is huge fail so far

[Safon]

They all suck, season 5 is huge fail so far

The entire series pales heavily in comparison to the books

[Pokesan]

Here's how season 5 ends folks.

Sunset found her squatting in the grass, groaning. Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up she was shitting brown water. The more she drank, the more she shat, but the more she shat, the thirstier she grew, and her thirst sent her crawling to the stream to suck up more water.

[wts]

Here's how season 5 ends folks.

Show was accurate with Tywin's death, why wouldn't they get that scene right?

[Mandalore93]

Show wise, all the writers need to do is say that Varys wrote ser friend zone to stop it.

[Sirken]

fun fact - if you read the dunk and egg novellas, you'll remember the red widow from book 2. and in case you missed it, she is the mother of Tytos Lannister, and Grandmother to Tywin Lannister

go read the dunk & egg stories if you havent. or listen to them on youtube ;)

[wts]

Episode 2 blessedly wiener free.

[wts]

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[Sirken]

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ill see that and raise you a

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[Sirken]

so i mean, are we not going to discuss the sansa/arya swap, all the inconsistencies with baelish, is Balon Greyjoy still alive?

but that Janos Slynt moment, so good

[holahouze]

I about pooped a pancake learning the Sansa + Ramsey match! Shiver...

The Sansa/Farya swap streamlines and presents some interesting possibilities if Sansa has indeed learned some things from Littlefinger. But, still, shivers...

I'm expecting the showrunners to be true to Baelish's conniving character, but really can't figure out where this plot leap is headed. And to that, I'm hoping the Greyjoys reaapear. Didn't care for Greyjoys, but so much text/plot there. We need some ships. We need a big lung exploding horn.

[Littlegyno 13.0]

goog riddence janos kek

[Patriam1066]

so i mean, are we not going to discuss the sansa/arya swap, all the inconsistencies with baelish, is Balon Greyjoy still alive?

but that Janos Slynt moment, so good

If it were only Ramsay, I'd say Sansa could somehow tame (kill) him and it be poetic justice. But with roose and Ramsay's sociopath girlfriend being there, she's in deep shit, or at least for this season. I really don't know where they're going with this though. It completely changes Baelish's story arc.

Balon will still die, but who knows how and with what result.

[wts]

so i mean, are we not going to discuss the sansa/arya swap

Yeah they lost me with that. Show was great until this season.

I about pooped a pancake learning the Sansa + Ramsey match! Shiver...

Did somebody shove a ping pong paddle up your ass?

[Doors]

The TV series is completely fucking different from the books but whatever.

[Sirken]

I about pooped a pancake learning the Sansa + Ramsey match! Shiver...

The Sansa/Farya swap streamlines and presents some interesting possibilities if Sansa has indeed learned some things from Littlefinger. But, still, shivers...

I'm expecting the showrunners to be true to Baelish's conniving character, but really can't figure out where this plot leap is headed. And to that, I'm hoping the Greyjoys reaapear. Didn't care for Greyjoys, but so much text/plot there. We need some ships. We need a big lung exploding horn.

hate to say it, but i think they are cutting the horns, cutting Euron and Victarion. Dany already has the 93 ships daario got her when he took the Meereen navy in season 4. also remember it was pyat pree that tells Euron about Dany's dragons and where shes headed, but in the show, Dany killed Pyat Pree. honestly i dunno if they are even gonna do oldtown or the citadel. so add that to the chopping block with the greyjoys, the horns, young griff, connington, and Quinton Martell.

hmph

[holahouze]

I guess I missed the 93 ships... I hope you're wrong about the Greyjoys, Connington, Young Griff. Just real hard to see how their storylines are unnecessary. I came to the books late - between seasons 3 & 4, so I frequently think about Martin's loss of initiative, showrunner's dilemma, stuff along those lines. "get used to disappointment'.

So, how do you think Dany learns how to wrangle these dragons? Maybe that's Tyrion's role, eh?

Do you think Dorne is taking over the Connington/fAegon storyline?

[MrSparkle001]

Before I start watching season 4 I want to know what books it covers. I'm currently reading book 5 A Dance With Dragons and will finish season 3 by Friday. Books 4 and 5 are essentially one large book split in two so I can see season 4 covering characters from both.

I don't want to get ahead of the books.

[Sirken]

if you read book 5, you can watch season 4 no problem. there are changes, but not book spoilers

Bran and Sansa stories will be pretty much up to speed with the book at the end of season 4. which is why there is no bran this season, and why they are changing Sansa's story so hard.

im starting to think we wont get another bran PoV. being connected to the forest internet now i think he'll simply have too much information for the reader if bran was a PoV after he switches with bryndon rivers

[holahouze]

My recollection of season 4 is it covers chunks of books 3, 4, 5 as well as introducing non-book storylines. Probably best to keep reading if you're a purist.

[MrSparkle001]

if you read book 5, you can watch season 4 no problem. there are changes, but not book spoilers

I'm only about 200 pages or so into book 5. Davos just entered White Harbor and my next chapter is about Daenerys. I'll read it on the shitter later.

Can I still watch season 4?

[holahouze]

I'm only about 200 pages or so into book 5. Davos just entered White Harbor and my next chapter is about Daenerys. I'll read it on the shitter later.

Can I still watch season 4?

If you do not want the series to spoil your book reading, you will need to be careful watching season 4. As mentioned above, some of book 5 is in season 4 -- Bran's storyline, for e.g. Keep truckin'

[Sirken]

you need to remember that book 5 starts after book 3 and runs concurrent to book 4 until about page 750 in book 5. when you the the first book 5 cersei chapter is when the timelines merge again

[holahouze]

if you read book 5, you can watch season 4 no problem. there are changes, but not book spoilers

Bran and Sansa stories will be pretty much up to speed with the book at the end of season 4. which is why there is no bran this season, and why they are changing Sansa's story so hard.

im starting to think we wont get another bran PoV. being connected to the forest internet now i think he'll simply have too much information for the reader if bran was a PoV after he switches with bryndon rivers

Had not thought much about Bran POV. But, we still don't know what Bloodraven's up to, right? You have that figured out? So, Martin has to tell that story somehow, and Bran is logical.

Now that the showrunners are truly striking out on their own, I'll mention something that mildly disappoints me. I've been assuming that any of Martin's storyline that showrunners drop is not important to the endgame. In the books, Arya, Jon, and Bran regularly warged into, or had visions through, their direwolves. I assumed that would have big pay-off, but other than Bran, we're not seeing that in show.

[Littlegyno 13.0]

sansas a god dman hottie

[Sirken]

Had not thought much about Bran POV. But, we still don't know what Bloodraven's up to, right? You have that figured out? So, Martin has to tell that story somehow, and Bran is logical.

Now that the showrunners are truly striking out on their own, I'll mention something that mildly disappoints me. I've been assuming that any of Martin's storyline that showrunners drop is not important to the endgame. In the books, Arya, Jon, and Bran regularly warged into, or had visions through, their direwolves. I assumed that would have big pay-off, but other than Bran, we're not seeing that in show.

Bloodraven.. has anyone really ever known what he was up to? im not sure if even GRRM knows what bloodraven is up to yet :P Bran literally knows everything that the trees have seen once he hacks into that wooden network. Jons parents, stuff about bael the bard, jons parents, the long night, literally everything.

im woth you 100% on the dreams/flashbacks. we got a lil from Bran early on, but Ned's dreams are the biggest clues towards Jons parents. and all the stark kids have "wolf" dreams, even Sansa has one ;)

GRRM has stated that Nymeria and her pack will indeed play a role in the books. hopefully the show treats Nymeria better than it treated Strong Belwas, ColdHands, Arianne Martell, 5 more sand snakes, 2 more greyjoys, 2 griffs, etc. and why the f is balon still alive?

[holahouze]

Bloodraven.. has anyone really ever known what he was up to? im not sure if even GRRM knows what bloodraven is up to yet :P Bran literally knows everything that the trees have seen once he hacks into that wooden network. Jons parents, stuff about bael the bard, jons parents, the long night, literally everything.

im woth you 100% on the dreams/flashbacks. we got a lil from Bran early on, but Ned's dreams are the biggest clues towards Jons parents. and all the stark kids have "wolf" dreams, even Sansa has one ;)

GRRM has stated that Nymeria and her pack will indeed play a role in the books. hopefully the show treats Nymeria better than it treated Strong Belwas, ColdHands, Arianne Martell, 5 more sand snakes, 2 more greyjoys, 2 griffs, etc. and why the f is balon still alive?

At what point did you see Bran becoming one of the most powerful/important characters in story? Did not see that coming - I sped through Bran, Hodor, and Reeds roadtrip - although warging into Summer got my attention.

At the risk of holding onto false hope, I reckon there are 27 more hour long episodes to go, so I'm hoping we'll see the Greyjoy, Aegon, Samwell/Citadel, etc. stories go forward. So, bye-bye Balon - did not like that guy.

[Sirken]

i dunno tbh. once you find out who Brynden Rivers actually is, and what the trees are, and that hes never gonna leave that tree throne, its just putting 1 & 1 together ;)

[Swish]

Dodging all the spoilers but wanted to post this... she's evil!

https://i.imgur.com/ARFjWlB.gif

[Millburn]

God I miss the late 80's and early 90's can we get flannel shirts tied around the waist back? Please Sophie, make that trend happen again.

[holahouze]

Ouch! Doesn't look like she held anything back. And, Steve-o... 40 going on 14.

[holahouze]

Cool episode. Some storylines got a jet pack. I'm now seeing things more Sirken's way -- Greyjoys out or significantly altered and i don't see a path to Connington/Aegon story. Sorry to see Barriston go out that way, those Sons of Harpy better be the pit fighters or I'm going to be disappointed. What's up with the Brienne and Pod storyline? Where's that headed?

[Mandalore93]

I think Jorah might take up the Connington story line perhaps

[Sirken]

Cool episode. Some storylines got a jet pack. I'm now seeing things more Sirken's way -- Greyjoys out or significantly altered and i don't see a path to Connington/Aegon story. Sorry to see Barriston go out that way, those Sons of Harpy better be the pit fighters or I'm going to be disappointed. What's up with the Brienne and Pod storyline? Where's that headed?

Brienne and Pod you say. well, first you have to decide if they are actually important or not, and since we havent seen Brienne or Pod since book 4 (when she meets up with Jaime near Riverrun and lures him off to see stoneheart). Personally at this point i think Brienne is expendable.

now bare with me on the rest, Since Mance is arguably dead on the show (i know it coulda been Tormund glamoured as Mance, however, the Actor that plays Mance has been bumped down from a Main Character to a Side Character this season, which leads me to believe hes actually dead on the show), it stands to reason that HBO will need to come up with another plot to get Theon and Sansa (in the book this is Theon and Jeyne Poole aka fake Arya) out of Winterfell and into the clutches of Stannis Baratheon. i think Brienne will play this role, and i think it will put Brienne in the same spot she found herself in with Lady Stoneheart. Stannis will look at Brienne and see her as a former member of Renly's Kingsguard, and currently as being in the employ of the Lannisters (thanks to the sword Jaime gave her), and im sure he will give her some task, similar to the Stoneheart sends her on. at the end, i think Brienne will die in the show saving Sansa, and making good on her oath to Catelyn and Jaime.

[SHOWITME]

was expecting a much better way for that barriston selmy guy (spelling?) to die, for a guy as supposedly badass as him, it was really lame

[Sirken]

I think Jorah might take up the Connington story line perhaps

honestly the more i think on it, it is possible they are keep Aegon and Jon Connington back for next season. the only actual purpose they serve is on the trip with Tyrion, before Tyrion convinces them the best course of action is to go to Westeros and start making some noise. its very possible Jon and Aegon show up in season 6 and launch attacks on Griffin's Roost. the only bits we lose are the words with Tyrion convincing them to not go to Mereen, and Connington pulling Tyrion out of the water, as well as them being teleported back to that first bridge after Jon says they arent likey to be attacked, and then they are in fact attacked.

remember how book 5 ends, the epilogue features Varys spilling his master plan to Kevan Lannister before murdering him, and after murdering Pycelle. its very possible that in the show Varys will show back up in Kings Landing to merk Pycelle and Kevan, and hint a hint about Aegon and Jon.

that said, with the way the show is propping up Jon Snow (especially with the introduction of the Harrenhal Tourny story and Selmy's recollection of Rhaygar) i'm starting to think they are just gonna cut it. as far as succession goes, Aegon comes before Jon (assuming R+L=J). unless they straight up merk Jon, i dont think they'd have the balls usurp Jon to the show fans. and if Aegon is a fake, i simply dont think enough Blackfyre foundation work has been laid down for viewers to just introduce a major player like the Blackfyres.

and so while seeing Aegon and Connington is possible, i dont think it to be very likely

<3

[holahouze]

honestly the more i think on it, it is possible they are keep Aegon and Jon Connington back for next season. the only actual purpose they serve is on the trip with Tyrion, before Tyrion convinces them the best course of action is to go to Westeros and start making some noise. its very possible Jon and Aegon show up in season 6 and launch attacks on Griffin's Roost. the only bits we lose are the words with Tyrion convincing them to not go to Mereen, and Connington pulling Tyrion out of the water, as well as them being teleported back to that first bridge after Jon says they arent likey to be attacked, and then they are in fact attacked.

remember how book 5 ends, the epilogue features Varys spilling his master plan to Kevan Lannister before murdering him, and after murdering Pycelle. its very possible that in the show Varys will show back up in Kings Landing to merk Pycelle and Kevan, and hint a hint about Aegon and Jon.

that said, with the way the show is propping up Jon Snow (especially with the introduction of the Harrenhal Tourny story and Selmy's recollection of Rhaygar) i'm starting to think they are just gonna cut it. as far as succession goes, Aegon comes before Jon (assuming R+L=J). unless they straight up merk Jon, i dont think they'd have the balls usurp Jon to the show fans. and if Aegon is a fake, i simply dont think enough Blackfyre foundation work has been laid down for viewers to just introduce a major player like the Blackfyres.

and so while seeing Aegon and Connington is possible, i dont think it to be very likely

<3

Ah, the struggle with what's new and what's "NEW". Just think, can they do this show without Patchface??

Riddle me this, does Arya off Meryn before he offs Mace??

[Sirken]

you can absolutely do the show without patchface, just keep watching.

i dont think Meryn will kill Mace. if the show kills Mace it will be to give the Tyrells extra ammo to go after Cersei. but if Arya kills Meryn before he leaves Braavos, then Cersel cant really be blamed, as she can say she sent a Kingsguard and even he was slain in the protection of Mace. so i dont expect Mace to die, although i could see Arya unknowingly saving Mace by killing Meryn shortly before Mace is set to die.

[holahouze]

Sorry, i was being a wisea$$. Would not miss Patchface one bit... oh oh oh

My read is Cersei was getting rid of Mace literally. She's unhinged and isn't too concerned about offending Tyrells. Mace is dim and unsuspecting, but Oleanna will sniff that plot out. I think Meryn in Braavos will be too much for Arya to pass up. Arya's revenge could buy Cersei more time - true.

[Sirken]

Fool's blood. King's blood, blood on the maiden's thigh, but chains for the guests and chains for the bridegroom, aye, aye, aye.

things like this^ make me wonder a lot about good old Patches, cause he clearly knew the red wedding was incoming. then that what raven calls him "lord"

[MrSparkle001]

I just finished season 4 episode 5. Why are they changing so much from the books? Why is Jon going north to Craster's Keep instead of being hobbled with an injury at Castle Black? Why does Lysa know who Sansa is? Where is Coldhands?

I expect some changes from the book, just like with LOTR, but wow.

[Sirken]

oh, it doesnt get better in regards to changes

[holahouze]

This is old business, but since Mace is off to meet with the Iron Bank, I'm wondering... Any thoughts on why the showrunners depict the Lannisters as being broke // their gold mined out??

[Sirken]

im not sure if thats a spoiler, or a blatant change from the book. either way, i think the purpose of it is to further emphasize that Tywin was literally the only thing in the world keeping his family at its status, and now that hes gone, that family will crumble down brick by brick.

[holahouze]

Yes, you're right. Not my first thought, but a lot of significance can be tied to the reveal. Just wondering how its going to come up again. Thx

[Tiggles]

This is old business, but since Mace is off to meet with the Iron Bank, I'm wondering... Any thoughts on why the showrunners depict the Lannisters as being broke // their gold mined out??

im not sure if thats a spoiler, or a blatant change from the book. either way, i think the purpose of it is to further emphasize that Tywin was literally the only thing in the world keeping his family at its status, and now that hes gone, that family will crumble down brick by brick.

I think the Lannisters are broke in the book as well I can definitly get behind Tywin keeping up the appearence to keep his family in power with his gold mines dwindling.

They needed a reason for Ser Maryn Trunt to go to Bravos so Arya can murder him in place of Daeron. I think Mace is actually an afterthought actually it's Trunt who is the one who needed to go to Bravos.

Also, I hate the new sandsnakes and I don't think Bronn is going to make it out alive.

R.I.P Ser Grandpa as well.

[holahouze]

I think the Lannisters are broke in the book as well I can definitly get behind Tywin keeping up the appearence to keep his family in power with his gold mines dwindling.

They needed a reason for Ser Maryn Trunt to go to Bravos so Arya can murder him in place of Daeron. I think Mace is actually an afterthought actually it's Trunt who is the one who needed to go to Bravos.

Also, I hate the new sandsnakes and I don't think Bronn is going to make it out alive.

R.I.P Ser Grandpa as well.

I felt like Selmy might be killed at Battle of Meereen based on twow chapter - hated to see him go down in an alley. Looked and fought like a badass though.

My first thought on Tywin saying they were broke was to put more pressure on Cersei to play ball and marry Loras. Just don't see them broke, book-wise. But, the Lannisters are going down.

Cersei assigned Trant to Mace for a reason -- with bad intentions. A simple shove while at sea would do it. Maybe Cersei doesn't go that far, but she's winning battles, not the war. I agree, Arya & Trant will meet.

The Iron Bank is in an interesting position, backing Stannis and all.

[kain200]

The whole point of Mace and Meryn going to Braavos is to incorporate the chapter "Mercy" that was released awhile back as a new arya chapter from winds of winter. Although in the book chapter it isn't ser Meryn that accompanies Mace, its another person on arya's list.

So I like that they are setting up a sweet kill of ser Meryn. I hate him so much. Especially in the show. In the books he's bad but as pointed out in one of sansa's chapters "Ser Meryn simply doesn't care". They went to great lengths to make him much more evil in the show.

I don't think anything untoward will happen to Mace on the trip. If it does it will be completely made up just for the show. I think the point was just for Cersei to get rid of him for awhile so she could set up his daughter and her brother. Cersei thinks he's a bumbling old fool that won't be able to do anything once Margaery is imprisoned. Although in the books he parks an army outside the sept and gets her released to his custody...could happen that way again. I love the old switcheroo that gets pulled on Cersei. She is far to smug for her own good.

[holahouze]

You're probably right about Mace. The Lannister - Tyrell divorce is gaining steam, but it's probably too early. Just find it pretty interesting that Trant and Mace make the Braavos trip (Mace didn't go in "Mercy", right?) and Cersei brings back Littlefinger to KL.

[wts]

I think the Lannisters are broke in the book as well

The Lannisters are not broke in the books. When LF informs Ned of the crown's debt, it's also mentioned that a significant percentage of that debt is owed to the Lannisters.

[Doors]

sansas a god dman hottie

[0barrelsteve0]

I use this site to watch game of thrones.
http://www.alluc.com/stream/games+of+thrones

[holahouze]

Dany's journey has been the most frustrating for me to both read and watch. Hatching those dragons was the most magical turn, but the storyline is a mess. Just don't get why she didn't spend every waking minute figuring out how to control them. I'm ready for the two in the dungeon to jail-break.

[Tiggles]

Trusted Advisor tells her stories about her crazy father burning innocent people alive.

Trusted Advisor dies so she honors him by burning innocent people alive.

They are giving Missandi so much screentime because she's a Faceless man and she will replace Izembaro that Arya is being sent too in TWOW.

Also, looks like Ser Jorah is taking over conningtan's role as noble dude with Greyscale this pretty much confirms Aegon won't be in the show.

Poor Jorah

http://i.imgur.com/9p4kFT9.jpg

[holahouze]

Trusted Advisor tells her stories about her crazy father burning innocent people alive.

Trusted Advisor dies so she honors him by burning innocent people alive.

They are giving Missandi so much screentime because she's a Faceless man and she will replace Izembaro that Arya is being sent too in TWOW.

Also, looks like Ser Jorah is taking over conningtan's role as noble dude with Greyscale this pretty much confirms Aegon won't be in the show.

Poor Jorah

http://i.imgur.com/9p4kFT9.jpg

Nice pic, Jorah's jealous. He never made Dany laugh like that. Jorah has had a hard-knock life, at least the show made him good looking. Greyscale should set him up to go out in a blaze of glory.

I've been holding out hope that showrunners have 3 seasons to work in Connington-Aegon. They seem to be sprinting through books 4-5. Its hard to fathom how that storyline is/was expendable. What a weird situation. Would love to know how those Weiss/Benioff + Martin meetings go down.

If Missandei is a FM, that is a long con. I don't see it, how did you puzzle that out? Who is her target? How is she going to hook-up with Arya? I've regarded Izembarro as a friend of FM, one who will teach Arya mummer skills.

[wts]

How did you puzzle that out? Who is her target? How is she going to hook-up with Arya?

[Pokesan]

that was a very cool rape HBO good job on the writing

[katrik]

^Kind of a sucky episode. Sansa did what she had to, though.

[Doors]

Not gonna lie this is my least favorite season. They changed so much from the books.

[katrik]

I'm hoping some really awesome shit is going to happen that will redeem it some.

[wts]

Irredeemable.

[Tasslehofp99]

^Kind of a sucky episode. Sansa did what she had to, though.

I hope there is atleast some 'I spit on your grave' type revenge for her at the end of this season. :(

[Tiggles]

This season is balls. Even if I didn't read the books and had no idea what they changed I'd say it is the worst.

The sand snakes and the plot of dorne is awful! Who the fuck cast those chicks they can't even speak their line correctly!

Don't get me started in that god awful scene in the water gardens it was some amateur hour bullshit!

Sansa's rape was the best part of the episode outside of always dependable ayra. People need to stop crying, it did happen in the books(and a lot worse) to the character that sansa absorbed so you should of expected it.

[Pringles]

I didnt read the books (my wife did though), but I agree - this season sucks. There were a few hints early on that I might like it, but those are gone.

My thought after the water gardens: Those chicks were awful, and WTF did you think was going to happen Jaime? (did that happen in the book like it did here????)

Though in this episode, littlefinger made me wonder what he's up to again - but then he always does.

[beyondinfin]

My thought after the water gardens: Those chicks were awful, and WTF did you think was going to happen Jaime? (did that happen in the book like it did here????)


In the book Jamie is in the RIVERLANDS, quite far from Dorne. I like that the show is being different which is nice, but yeah I can't believe they actually made the sand snakes boring!

[Tiax]

http://i.imgur.com/7ygWzNa.jpg

[Tiggles]

Sansa deserved it imo.

[Patriam1066]

Some thoughts on this season so far:

1. They've ruined Jaime's redemption for two seasons now.
2. Ramsay is not a main character, stop trying to make him one.
3. That Dorne sequence blows other than the dude playing Doran getting screen time
4. ^Sandstakes were completely ruined.
5. Theon is dickless both in the literal and metaphorical sense (although I suspect that was foreshadowing / the impetus for his redemption).
6. Can't wait for Cersei to hang herself on that rope she's unleashed in King's Landing
7. I only watch now for Tyrion, Baelish, and the inevitable downfall of the Boltons. Arya is good too.

Oh, and I did seven thoughts as a symbolic gesture of support to the faith militant, who make me laugh both in the books and in the show.

[Jarlon]

ahhhhh , didn't read but almost did!

[holahouze]

Count me in on hating the Dorne storyline. Its a mess. they have a lot of work in front of them to salvage. And, the fight scene between Sand Snakes and Jamie/Bronn was sad -- just the pits.

I also agree Jamie storyline is screwed up. He was on the road to becoming a leader, a statesmen. Major development. Now, he's floundering around in Dorne. If this is intended to illustrate Jamie's new code of honor, its looking like crap right now.

I don't think Sansa deserves treament from Ramsay, but totally predictable. I do think this pushes the Sansa character toward a more vengeful, ruthless place, and possibly a plot against Baelish. She could be the agent to unite the North - against Boltons/Lannisters and involve any or all of Stannis, Brienne, and Theon. And, i suppose Jon, too. i like this.

Martin left so many serious things hanging -- Aegon, Euron/Vic, Darkstar... Its hard to understand how these storylines could be abandoned by showrunners.

I'll close with this. Many wanted to see Jaqen reappear, but this is not the smart, almost playful Jaqen was saw earlier. This guy is dark, heavy, somber (not that the HoBaW doesn't call for it).

[wts]

http://i.imgur.com/7ygWzNa.jpg

That sums it up. I notice this thread is on the second page a lot. I think we're mostly about done with this show.

[holahouze]

Yes, that graphic does sum it up. I'm trying to be patient with the show (maybe Jamie doesn't something awesome down there). Developing some interest in thinking about what showrunners are making up and what they're doing to follow Martin's story/outline.

At this point, how can we know when or if Martin will publish again. The sample chapters are fresh material to readers, but Martin wrote them years ago. I read all books between seasons 3-4 of show, and i can't imagine how hard it was for on-time book readers to handle the 5 year gaps. That's a whole nother thing, but its surely a thing.

[Gatorsmash_da'troll]

Show is 90% total shit and a 10% sliver of interesting Oh cool' moments.

Got to love it when "showrunners" think they are writers. I'm fucking looking at you Season 2/3 walking dead

[LoliPops]

Not gonna lie this is my least favorite season. They changed so much from the books.

[Man0warr]

Some changes they had to make just because of how TV production works.

Merging the Sansa/Winterfell story lines for example - otherwise they'd just have to introduce 100 more characters and the girl who plays Sansa would basically be out of the show like Bran.

The way they are doing Dorne is a mess though - not that they sent Jamie/Bronn down there, but just how bad the storyline/acting are (Sand Snakes in particular).

[wts]

You realize that when writers like Martin and Jordan attempt something so expansive in scope, they may not live to finish it, or they may not live long enough without becoming demented or senile, which is what I believe may be happening with Martin.

I expect him to put the next book out, but I don't expect him to finish the series. If the next book comes out, it will be my series finale. Any loose ends I will just consider to be material that will never be covered. I suspect that this season sucks so bad because they're biding time for the next book to come out next year before the 2016 season, when they'll be able to do a lot more shit because there's more canon material to cover.

[wts]

Lulls you gonna rage on Ragefire?

[Gatorsmash_da'troll]

You realize that when writers like Martin and Jordan attempt something so expansive in scope, they may not live to finish it, or they may not live long enough without becoming demented or senile, which is what I believe may be happening with Martin.

I expect him to put the next book out, but I don't expect him to finish the series. If the next book comes out, it will be my series finale. Any loose ends I will just consider to be material that will never be covered. I suspect that this season sucks so bad because they're biding time for the next book to come out next year before the 2016 season, when they'll be able to do a lot more shit because there's more canon material to cover.

You do know Jordan never had massive amount of years between books like Martin did and has right? Martin went on vacation for years between books. Anybody who thinks he is going to finish the book currently being written isn't familiar with how lazy he is.

[holahouze]

My opinion is Martin has lost his economic incentive to do the hard writing - story-telling. This problem started a decade ago. But, who knows...?

Offering up a luke-warm defense of showrunners; they do not have the luxury of years and stay true to actors' maturation and professional lives. They have to march forward and hue to calendar, thus they were working with constraints from the start. They met and agreed to show concept with Martin in 2005. Reached agreement with HBO early in 2007. Four books already published, and they probably considered 5th due out anytime. They very likely expected series to be concluded just in time for them to work with that material. Martin got them to the moon with no way back. Now, they're problem solving. The question in my mind is, how much detail has Martin shared? How much of the show's storyline consolidation and bending/folding is being done with complete fore knowledge?

[Man0warr]

I expect him to put the next book out, but I don't expect him to finish the series. If the next book comes out, it will be my series finale. Any loose ends I will just consider to be material that will never be covered. I suspect that this season sucks so bad because they're biding time for the next book to come out next year before the 2016 season, when they'll be able to do a lot more shit because there's more canon material to cover.

No way - he hasn't even submitting a final manuscript yet and once he does that's at least a year of back and forth editing.

The showrunners want the show to end in 7 or 8 seasons, even though HBO doesn't - which means they are cutting/combining all the extra fluff characters and stories.

They won't be waiting for the books any longer - which made Martin a little butthurt because he wanted HBO to hold production while he finished the books but no chance of that.

The question in my mind is, how much detail has Martin shared? How much of the show's storyline consolidation and bending/folding is being done with complete fore knowledge?

Martin has shared the ending with them and the general guides on how to get there, but the rest of this season and the next two are going to be very different from what Martin ends up writing to get to the same conclusion.

The showrunners have stated they do not want the show to drag on and overstay it's welcome and turn into another Lost.

[holahouze]

I think we agree to some extent re: the showrunners dilemma. OTH, there was ample material in 4 & 5 for them to build out show season 5. Aegon/Connington, for e.g. King's Moot/Euron/Victorian, etc. for another example. These appeared to be significant storylines, amirite? Are the showrunners skipping these? Appears so. This is both interesting and concerning. Did the showrunners decide to axe it on their own? Or, did Martin tell them they wouldn't count for much at the end??

[Man0warr]

I'm sure if Aegon factored into the ending (which they supposedly know) they would have adapted that storyline.

[holahouze]

Anybody notice Tyene nicked Bronn at the end of their skirmish? uh oh.

[LoliPops]

The show sucks. It peaked up to the end of ASOS, just like the books did.

There, I said it.

[LoliPops]

i stand corrected. Tonight's episode was solid.

https://nik.bot.nu/o1268332.jpg

[Pokesan]

it was a garbage episode

[wts]

As far as Sansa knows at this point (on the show), isn't it her understanding that Theon murdered her brothers? Weiss and Beniof, so much fail.

[wts]

Jon left Ghost at Castle Black? WTF this shit is beyond dumb.

[holahouze]

As far as Sansa knows at this point (on the show), isn't it her understanding that Theon murdered her brothers? Weiss and Beniof, so much fail.

Sansa attempted to turn Theon around to aid her escape. Effort was a bit thin, but she tried to get Theon to acknowledge "owing" her/Starks and "remember" his name, similar to process he went or is going through in books. Didn't work....yet.

I guess leaving Ghost behind worked in the short-term in helping Sam, but the show has largely lost the signal between kids and direwolves. A shame.

Dorne story so messed up, but perhaps we are seeing the stage set for Jamie to grow. I'm an optimist. Did not really buy how Bronn dodged his bullet tho. What's up with that?

[wts]

Yeah that was win/win. Titties plus antidote.

[Psykes]

that chick had level 9 out of 10 titties, near perfect

[LoliPops]

for real bro so glad bronn alive shit

https://nypdecider.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/sand-snake-strip-tease.gif

[Pringles]

Sunday was a bit better but still lacking.... A+ for Cersei getting locked up though.

[holahouze]

I thought the episode was a bounceback, although the Dorne stuff continues to be a mix of hackery and mystery.

Cersei loves her children - yeah yeah. Just a mad power trip.

Here's something I'm wondering about from previous episode -- Tyrion and Jorah see a dragon flyby, and react with look of wonder. And then...nothing. Right? Did i miss them hashing out this a holy crap moment later? The greyscale/stone men wiped that from their memories??

[LoliPops]

I didn't mind them not having a dialogue about Drogon flying by. Tyrion said it all with his look.

http://ripitup.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Game-of-thrones-Tyrion-Dragon.jpg

[wts]

^

[Nocsucow]

HOLY FUCK WHAT A EPISODE!!!!!!!!!!

[katrik]

Holy shit. That was intense as hell..!

[holahouze]

Who would have been screaming for some rowing?

[holahouze]

Valyrian steel kills Others. Dragonglass kills wights. Scare resources. They're going to need some flame-throwing dragons.

[katrik]

Wait.. I thought wights/others/whitewalkers were all the same crap?

[holahouze]

Wait.. I thought wights/others/whitewalkers were all the same crap?

Wights are the undead - brought back by Whitewalker/Other powers. We knew dragonglass and fire killed wights. I think, we found out Valyrian steel kills Others (and likely wights) tonight.

[holahouze]

The Night King looked "impressed" by Jon killing that Other. A Stark looking down on another Stark?

[Nocsucow]

The Night King looked "impressed" by Jon killing that Other. A Stark looking down on another Stark?

His uncle?

[katrik]

Wights are the undead - brought back by Whitewalker/Other powers. We knew dragonglass and fire killed wights. I think, we found out Valyrian steel kills Others (and likely wights) tonight.

That or, maybe there was dragonglass in the sword..?

[holahouze]

Much older than Uncle. I think that way way back, the Starks are related to Others.

[Nocsucow]

Much older than Uncle. I think that way way back, the Starks are related to Others.

Would love a mini series of back story of the starks

[holahouze]

That or, maybe there was dragonglass in the sword..?

Yes, I could buy that Valyrian steel incorporates something re: dragons. Dragon blood, dragon droppings, something dragon.

[holahouze]

I want to re-watch, but that will have to wait for now. I agree with Nocsucow and Katrik, really good episode.

[katrik]

HBO does a great job of playing the week's GoT episode over and over, if you're dumb enough to forget to record it, it plays alot.

[Nocsucow]

Hbo go ftw

[Pokesan]

turgon redbeard beating mr bones to death was awesome

also dragonglass totally kills white walkers, sam killed one with it. dunno why a sword worked for jon snow, either valyrian steel is special or he is

[Patriam1066]

We know dragon glass and dragon steel both kill the others from the books. But I agree, no way to confirm that that means valyrian steel, especially since it wasn't around during the long night. There's a good chance that, at least in the show, it was Jon's blood / fate / whatever saving his ass. Personally, I think it's valyrian steel.

[beyondinfin]

If next 2 episodes are as good as this then the slow build this season has been worth it.

[Sektor]

We know dragon glass and dragon steel both kill the others from the books. But I agree, no way to confirm that that means valyrian steel, especially since it wasn't around during the long night. There's a good chance that, at least in the show, it was Jon's blood / fate / whatever saving his ass. Personally, I think it's valyrian steel.

Maybe the guy lied to him when eh said it was valyrian steel? Maybe it's more than a 'valyrian' steel sword.

[holahouze]

Maybe the guy lied to him when eh said it was valyrian steel? Maybe it's more than a 'valyrian' steel sword.

googled it up...

“ Valyrian steel is a fantasy metal. Which means it has magical characteristics, and magic plays a role in its forging.[16] ”
– George R. R. Martin

[Tiggles]

Wights are the undead - brought back by Whitewalker/Other powers. We knew dragonglass and fire killed wights. I think, we found out Valyrian steel kills Others (and likely wights) tonight.

Wights can be killed with normal weaponry and fire they are not special in that regards.

Others need valyrian steel or dragon glass.

[Fael]

Only fire can kill wights. normal weaponry can cut them into pieces and/or mitigate their effectiveness. I believe there is one instance where even the severed hand of wight strangled someone to death.

[holahouze]

Yes. I spoke too fast re: killing wights. Is fire being the only means to kill a wight true in both books and show?

[Fael]

Maybe the guy lied to him when eh said it was valyrian steel? Maybe it's more than a 'valyrian' steel sword.

It's long been suspected that valyrian steel is dragon steel. Jon and Sam make this conclusion themselves. A few passages in the books state that the valaryans used dragonfire to heat the swords, along with spells and enchantments to make it "magical."

The show is just another example confirming Jon and sam's theory regarding the above. Whether or not valaryian steel is a required part of the blood magic ritual needed to create lightbringer is another question. Who knows, lightbringer may just be a bull shit myth about a guy who used valaryan steel to fight white walkers in the past.

[Sikorsky]

Holy crap... what an amazing episode. I was starting to lose faith, but last nights episode...... so good. Super excited to see what comes next.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Why was that last boat empty when jon and torman (tormund? I listened to audiobooks :3) were running to it? Still hundreds dying on the beach and the other boats had waders attacking it?

[LoliPops]

jesus that army

[Sidelle]

Wun Wun stomping fools to death left and right. Wun Wun saying, "the fuck you lookin at?" made me lol.

That episode was good stuff.

[LoliPops]

https://nik.bot.nu/o1997405.jpg

[wts]

Why was that last boat empty when jon and torman (tormund? I listened to audiobooks :3) were running to it? Still hundreds dying on the beach and the other boats had waders attacking it?

Shit was weak.

[wts]

Also, the two firegiant show runners are about dumb as bricks. Their premise is that Danny accepts Tyrion into her service after he explains to her that Varys, who sent assassins to murder her and her child, now thinks she's the world's best hope. Oh Varys thinks I'm cool now? Sweet! Let's hang out kinslayer!

[LoliPops]

Ppsshhhhhyeahhhhh!

[wts]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRKFD0rbZBQ

[holahouze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRKFD0rbZBQ

I really liked this episode. And so, I disagree in silence with some of your snarkier comments. But its 6 o'clock in the morning and i'm smiling pretty hard. Had not seen these reviews before. Thanks very much for the link. Awesome!

[Sirken]

this whole season just has me in a weird numb feeling. some stuff i love and some stuff i hate and some stuff makes no sense. im not gonna judge the season until Eps 9 & 10. we all know whats coming, and if they pull it off, it will redeem the season for them.

[citizen1080]

I don't even pay attention to if its following the books or not anymore...I just enjoy it for what it is. The walking dead meets frozen.

[Sirken]

every time i see a grey worm and missandei romance scene, i sit back and think of all the shit they cut from the book because they didnt have enough time.

lets forget the books for a minute, varys still tried to have dany killed in season one. now all of a sudden since D&D decided to cut connington and aegon, varys just magically has been supporting dany?

dont get me started on Barristan.

but in happier news, it looks like they are casting for Euron Greyjoy next season :D

[wts]

Yeah it's been brutal. Whole season was a waste of air until episode 8. Next two should be fun. It would be really hard for them to screw it up but we'll see. If there's not a book out before next season, just forget it. D&D fanfic for 10 episodes. Preston's episode reviews have been great comic relief at least.

[Sirken]

two episodes left. what all do we think is gonna go down?

i expect we'll see ramsay try to attack stannis with those 20 men, (cause why not). i imagine that will fail however, for one reason or another. i cant imagine Ramsay dying here. also looks like everything with the pink letter has been cut as well, since that involves fake arya and mance rayder (assuming you believe that Mance wrote the pink letter). clearly i dont think stannis will die as im convinced stannis will be the 1,000th lord commander of the nights watch.

im very curious to see how they are going to release Loras and Margaery, since Loras wasnt arrested and Margaery didnt pinched for perjury. in the book, Margaery was essentially arrested for being a whore, and because the evidence is so weak, Margaery is released to Randyll Tarly.

HBO isnt gonna let Arya be Merci the Whore, so if Meryn Trant dies, it will be by the hands of what should be Cat of the Canals.

that little kid at the wall (Olly) is going to stab the shit out of jon snow.

Cersei body double gonna get some work, and we're gonna see Sir Robert Strong. i still think Robert Strong will have Robb Starks head in book. maybe not so much in the show.

Dany scenes, im expecting a bunch of dumb bullshit until ep10 when Drogon shows up at the fighting pits due to the smell of blood and the sounds of the commotion.

speaking of Ep10, its called "Mother's Mercy", and thats interesting because thats another name for Lady Stoneheart. and each ep10 title has to do with the final scene of the episode.

[holahouze]

The first thing that flashed for me when Ramsay suggested the Seal team 6 attack was that would provide Sansa a path to escape. Would really have liked a scene where Reek/Theon was in the Godswood so Bran could whisper his name, but i expect Theon will aid Sansa, and they will end up giving Brienne something to do. Thus, I do not think the pink letter is out of play. I'm also very weirded out by the thought of a Brienne - Stannis get together.

The preview showed Stannis camp in flames (i think), so Ramsay will do some damage. Maybe Ramsay kills/captures Shireen, which will ramp things up.

Littlefinger's gift to Oleanna was a means to free Loras and Margarey. I'm guessing Olyvar will confess to HS that Cersei paid him to lie/testify against them. He will seek forgiveness (and be rewarded), and they will be freed. Or, Olyvar will be made to disappear and not be available to testify formally.

Arya will probably see Trant in pursuing her oyster eating insurance man. The question is, will she use the poison on Trant or carry out the insurance man hit? I think the Rafford/Trant murder will not be missed by the FM which will lead to an Arya transition.

Btw, Mace will get shot down my IB. And, given how quickly news seems to get around, what are the chances Mace has not heard of Loras and Margery's charges/detainment? Neither GRRM, nor showrunners, pass an opportunity to show Mace as dumber than a bag of hammers.

Olly is going to be one of the brothers saying "for the Watch". It would be a big showrunner curveball, if not. I think Jon will see him strike. I expect this to happen in the last ep. I'm very curious to see whether the NW is motivated by Jon's acceptance and working with Wildings, or because Jon wants to go to Winterfell (pink letter). And, here again for me is disappointment in the show losing track of the kid's direwolves and ability to warg. So, somehow, Melissandre is going to have to get back to the wall -- right? Maybe after Ramsay's hit. Btw, what if it was proximity to Jon that increased Mel's powers, not just the wall itself?

Cersei will do her walk this season. This is tracking pretty close to book, i think. Robert Strong may come next season.

Yes to the Dany scenes. There is a lot of plot tied up in Tyron's education/counsel to Dany. Its got my attention. The fighting pit will be a mass Harpy ambush, Dany will be protected by Jorah/Tyrion/Drogon, and will fly. Jorah and Tyrion will be left to sort it out - perhaps be captured - setting up a Dany rescue next season.

I just don't see Lady Stoneheart this season, nor any other. The Ghost of High Heart's prophecies were the only ones that got my attention.

But, you haven't mentioned Dorne. At some point, something meaningful has to break there. Who is Doran threatening in that preview?? My first impression was he is revealing his plans and getting buy-in from Ellaria. She takes on Arianne's role. but, what of Jamie and Bronn?? Neither fit a short term character arc like Darkstar and Oakheart? This storyline has been messed up to a fare-the-well. I would not be surprised if Trystane is revealed to be Aegon. Lot of moms question marks in this series, you know?

[Pringles]

re: rest of the season

All i can say is we better see some dragon fighting already, and more zombie / white walker battles!

[LoliPops]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuwXOxJ0u6o
GoT Theme

[Pokesan]

wall comes down in e10

[Millburn]

I think our good friend Jon Snow is going to die tomorrow. I think they have something else planned for the last episode.

Seriously though, when he dies people are going to FLIP THEIR COLLECTIVE SHIT. It's going to be so fucking hilarious to watch it unfold. I mean people were upset when Ned died, and when the Red Wedding happened but this...nobody is prepared for this, nobody. Well, you know aside from the people who already know.

[holahouze]

The internets will break tomorrow night.

[Pokesan]

reddit says leaked lol

[katrik]

Ok. I'm not on #teamstannis anymore

Fuck that guy.

[holahouze]

I'm with you. Ugh.

[kain200]

Wow...I am utterly disgusted.

I can't believe Stannis actually went through with that. I thought the earlier scenes of him telling her how she was his daughter and he loved her and all that crap was setting up a big confrontation between stannis on one side and melisandra+selyse on the other...a big show down with stannis possibly shrugging off the chump lord of light and putting melisandra in her place.

I never in a million years saw Selyse as being the one person to crack at the last minute and try to stop the sacrifice.

Is this going to happen in the books? I suppose its a possible "way out" for the army being screwed stuck in a storm as they are in the book but still... Its been awhile so maybe someone can refresh my memory...is shireen at castle black in the book?

Actually nevermind...melisandre is at castle black in the book so she could do the sacrifice there without Stannis even being there to stop her. Either way, I don't see this happening in the book. They have dalla's (mance's) baby all set to burn if they need to (they think) and when/if they do that and nothing happens (since he's fake.baby) will they turn to shireen?

Well, i'm disappointed in this episode. It wasn't quite as epic as I was expecting. It didn't have as much death as I was expecting either. I thought for sure Brienne's number was up tonight as well as Jorah or missandei in the pit. Instead we get a little kid burned alive and screaming all the while.

I still can't believe I just watched a little girl screaming horrifically while being burned alive. I didn't think I could be any more disturbed after seeing Sansa get raped.

And finally I'll say that I'm angry that they are going to kill brienne off next week and most likely pod as well unless they save pod just to be someone who can pick up oathbreaker and somehow get it to either the wall to use against the Others, or back to kings landing to Jaime. Brienne is one of my favorite characters in the books and its obvious this season that they don't know what to do with her other than kill her off so she hasn't had a single interesting or meaningful event happen this entire season. Also since they cut out Jaime in the riverlands and replaced it with the god awful bullcrap thats been happening in Dorne, I think they mean to just trim the fat on their monstrous cast roster by snipping out the brienne and pod show.

Well i'm sure she'll be involved somehow in Sansa's escape with theon over the wall but I predict a really bad meet up with Stannis that ends poorly for Brienne. That or Ramsey somehow cutting her down during the escape attempt. Well who knows.

[Sirken]

The first thing that flashed for me when Ramsay suggested the Seal team 6 attack was that would provide Sansa a path to escape. Would really have liked a scene where Reek/Theon was in the Godswood so Bran could whisper his name, but i expect Theon will aid Sansa, and they will end up giving Brienne something to do. Thus, I do not think the pink letter is out of play. I'm also very weirded out by the thought of a Brienne - Stannis get together.

The preview showed Stannis camp in flames (i think), so Ramsay will do some damage. Maybe Ramsay kills/captures Shireen, which will ramp things up.

Littlefinger's gift to Oleanna was a means to free Loras and Margarey. I'm guessing Olyvar will confess to HS that Cersei paid him to lie/testify against them. He will seek forgiveness (and be rewarded), and they will be freed. Or, Olyvar will be made to disappear and not be available to testify formally.

Arya will probably see Trant in pursuing her oyster eating insurance man. The question is, will she use the poison on Trant or carry out the insurance man hit? I think the Rafford/Trant murder will not be missed by the FM which will lead to an Arya transition.

Btw, Mace will get shot down my IB. And, given how quickly news seems to get around, what are the chances Mace has not heard of Loras and Margery's charges/detainment? Neither GRRM, nor showrunners, pass an opportunity to show Mace as dumber than a bag of hammers.

Olly is going to be one of the brothers saying "for the Watch". It would be a big showrunner curveball, if not. I think Jon will see him strike. I expect this to happen in the last ep. I'm very curious to see whether the NW is motivated by Jon's acceptance and working with Wildings, or because Jon wants to go to Winterfell (pink letter). And, here again for me is disappointment in the show losing track of the kid's direwolves and ability to warg. So, somehow, Melissandre is going to have to get back to the wall -- right? Maybe after Ramsay's hit. Btw, what if it was proximity to Jon that increased Mel's powers, not just the wall itself?

Cersei will do her walk this season. This is tracking pretty close to book, i think. Robert Strong may come next season.

Yes to the Dany scenes. There is a lot of plot tied up in Tyron's education/counsel to Dany. Its got my attention. The fighting pit will be a mass Harpy ambush, Dany will be protected by Jorah/Tyrion/Drogon, and will fly. Jorah and Tyrion will be left to sort it out - perhaps be captured - setting up a Dany rescue next season.

I just don't see Lady Stoneheart this season, nor any other. The Ghost of High Heart's prophecies were the only ones that got my attention.

But, you haven't mentioned Dorne. At some point, something meaningful has to break there. Who is Doran threatening in that preview?? My first impression was he is revealing his plans and getting buy-in from Ellaria. She takes on Arianne's role. but, what of Jamie and Bronn?? Neither fit a short term character arc like Darkstar and Oakheart? This storyline has been messed up to a fare-the-well. I would not be surprised if Trystane is revealed to be Aegon. Lot of moms question marks in this series, you know?

agreed on the theon/ramsay/sansa arc. none of them will die, unless they kill theon, in a sacrifice himself to save sansa kinda way. the sealteam6 plan will fail. Brienne hates stannis. if brienne gets wild with stannis over the renly shit, brienne will die.

i love your baelish, cersei, olenna, olyvar theory. makes tons more sense than lancel, as i imagine the high sparrow already knew about lancel and cersei, hence the warning in ep 1.

Arya will kill trant, and be blinded as punishment (i hope), and her story for this season will should end there.

news doesnt travel terribly fast. in westeros it travels by raven, in essos the stories come with traveling sailors. ex: it seems no one in essos has heard of tywins death yet as both jorah and dany are surprised by it. even if mace knew, hes a fool. he'll go back to westeros empty handed. the iron bank is already thrown in their lot with stannis.

[Sirken]

and i just about lost my mind at the end. A+

[katrik]

and i just about lost my mind at the end. A+

Good to see some dargon action.. !

[wts]

Ok. I'm not on #teamstannis anymore

Fuck that guy.

[Patriam1066]

Ok. I'm not on #teamstannis anymore

Fuck that guy.

and i just about lost my mind at the end. A+

Agree with both of these sentiments. I've never liked stannis but still didn't imagine he'd actually go through with that.

I'm curious, did Jorah just give Dany greyscale? I'm not a Planetos epidemiologist, but isn't that shit contagious and spread through touch?

[katrik]

He was wearing gloves

[Pringles]

re: rest of the season

All i can say is we better see some dragon fighting already, and more zombie / white walker battles!

I win!

[Pringles]

Ok. I'm not on #teamstannis anymore

Fuck that guy.

Amen.

[Patriam1066]

Lol. So he was. WHOOPS

Good episode minus shireen. This season has really picked up the last two weeks.

[LoliPops]

http://i.imgur.com/liFfbvO.jpg

[Sidelle]

I'm trying to imagine what, if anything, is gonna happen when Ser Davos gets back and finds out what's become of Shireen. :(

[Sirken]

ive always been convinced stannis will become the 1000th commander of the nights watch. and now i think thats more realistic than ever before.

really thought the drogon/fighting pit would be in ep 10, and the "for the watch" moment to be in Ep9. apparently you know nothing GM Sirken

[beyondinfin]

Poor Shireen :( I kept imagining SOMEONE saving her at the last second (Davos noooooo!).

With so much left to resolve...this is gonna be one long ass week. Ugh.

[Frieza_Prexus]

I hereby strip Stannis of all lands and titles. He is nevermore "Stan the Man." Referring to the false king as the "Stanimal" is punishable by death.

May he his hype train be forever derailed.

http://i.imgur.com/HQJQIMy.gif

May the Doranimal's rule be forever just.

[Deadmantis]

What made the Shireen scene even more upsetting for me was my wife (who hasn't read the books yet) asking me over and over "are they going to burn her, are they going to burn her?, someone is going to stop her right??!"

Like so many other times I said - "please stop, this shit wasn't in the books"

[Frieza_Prexus]

It was, however, a direct suggestion from GRRM to put it in the show, so if it ain't in the books, it sure as hell is about to be.

[Tiggles]

It was, however, a direct suggestion from GRRM to put it in the show, so if it ain't in the books, it sure as hell is about to be.

Yeah but it's going to be melisandre and selyce who do it keeping Stannis's honor in tact

[Patriam1066]

I'm trying to imagine what, if anything, is gonna happen when Ser Davos gets back and finds out what's become of Shireen. :(

I can't imagine he keeps following Stannis. He will, but it will be to save him from Melisandre. Or at least Davos will rationalize it that way. I'd love for him to chop off Stannis' head with a meat cleaver. Wishful thinking. Are there woodchippers in Westeros? It would be nice to see his grace go out like that one dude in Fargo.

Yeah but it's going to be melisandre and selyce who do it keeping Stannis's honor in tact

Yep, and Melisandre will do it to resurrect Jon Snow amidst salt and smoke. But having Stannis not participate makes a huge difference. He's now at a Joffrey / Ramsay level of depravity (the show, not the books).

[Rararboker]

Guess he forgot about what the people thought of the mad king burning people alive. Or maybe he now understands why he did it. Will we ever know?

[Patriam1066]

http://i.imgur.com/liFfbvO.jpg
LOL
Yeah. Poor Jorah. Saves Dany and his dick will turn to stone. It's a perfect metaphor for their relationship.

[Psionide]

Screw all the cowards and traitors deserting the one true king Stannis Baratheon and the one true God, the Lord of Light. We only need true believers who will do what they must.

[Patriam1066]

So I just watched Preston's episode 9 review and found some sweet vindication. Jorah's left hand was gloved, but his right, the one he took Dany's with, wasn't. Greyscale baby.

The ass hole had gloves on at the beginning of the fight and took one off just for Dany. Lol
http://youtu.be/ToOhmTxvqa8

[Sidelle]

Screw all the cowards and traitors deserting the one true king Stannis Baratheon and the one true God, the Lord of Light. We only need true believers who will do what they must.
May the Great Other violently bugger your Lord of Light. :D
So I just watched Preston's episode 9 review and found some sweet vindication. Jorah's left hand was gloved, but his right, the one he took Dany's with, wasn't. Greyscale baby.

The ass hole had gloves on at the beginning of the fight and took one off just for Dany. Lol
http://youtu.be/ToOhmTxvqa8
Hmm. I thought he only had the Greyscale on his left wrist. I could be wrong though.

[Patriam1066]

It's definitely only on his wrist, but we really don't know the specifics of how it's transferred / how long it incubates before its contagious, etc. I'd be remiss if I didn't mention that the friends I watch it with think I'm an idiot and believe there's about a 0% chance that she got greyscale. I just thought it was interesting...
Who knows.

https://scontent-lga1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/11393214_10152869047066016_4459498011760621729_n.j pg?oh=9b21fb4b4099dd9970be86c98f8b1da1&oe=55F0A91B

[Sidelle]

It's definitely only on his wrist, but we really don't know the specifics of how it's transferred / how long it incubates before its contagious, etc. I'd be remiss if I didn't mention that the friends I watch it with think I'm an idiot and believe there's about a 0% chance that she got greyscale. I just thought it was interesting...
Who knows.

https://scontent-lga1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/11393214_10152869047066016_4459498011760621729_n.j pg?oh=9b21fb4b4099dd9970be86c98f8b1da1&oe=55F0A91B
Surely it's transmitted through direct skin on skin contact -- much like Cooties. Highly contagious. ;)

Also, if I recall... the Targaryens might have a natural immunity to Greyscale. I think I remember reading that somewhere.

[Psionide]

Look to your sins Lady Sidelle, for the night is dark and full of terrors.

[Tenlaar]

Been a while since I've been in this thread.

#1- Stannis has seen previously unimaginable powers from Melisandre. He is living in a world of prophecy, terrors in the night coming to sweep away all life, blah blah blah. If he truly believes that his options are to sacrifice one innocent child or let all of the innocent children, plus everybody else, die...well, not sacrificing Shireen would be the monstrous choice.

#2- It really annoys me when people say Sansa was raped. Stop it. Willingly getting banged by a dude you don't like is not being raped.

#3- It is kind of frustrating that this season has shown that so many book storylines are, apparently, completely irrelevant to the outcome of the story.

[wts]

http://youtu.be/ToOhmTxvqa8

Team Night's King all day.

[citizen1080]

Personally I think GRRM is going to go from one of the most popular writers to the most infamous and hated by the time this is all done.

Old writers are going to tell their kiddie writers "Don't be like George"

Not so much because of the show direction but just the way he is handling his writing (or not handling it)

I get that he is enjoying his fame and money and hookers etc...but as a writer he has a duty to finish what he started, and I don't see him giving two shits about the books now that he made it big.

[holahouze]

I think the show has provided a sketchy connection between Stannis' actions and his belief he is Azor Ahai (much like the bandaid they stuck on the Daenerys/Tyrion/Varys plot hole). This makes Stannis look insane in additon to being an asshat. He may indeed be both in the end, but they could have propped that up better. In the end, he's swapped his soul for a throne he will not sit upon. I could very well see him taking the black.

One of the things that bothered me in-book and in-show is the sin of kinslaying. An abomination to the old Gods and the new Gods. So what, are we going to have to wait until a kinslayer dies for the pay-off? Until then, its snarky insults? Really?

I still do not understand what's going on in Dorne and how it fits with books. Anybody got this sorted out? And, what's up with the Ellaria/Jamie scene? She hitting on him, or luring him?

So Hizdahr was not a harpy... Who are the harpies? X-slaves? Btw, my iphone auto-corrects harpies to herpes. Ha!

I was a bit under-whelmed by the fighting pit scene. Anybody notice the spectators running to and fro in the stands after the harpies attacked? I found myself laughing at something where scene tension begged otherwise.

I also felt disappointed that Ramsay's raid was smash hit. Stannis is supposed to be a great military commander. Davos certainly seems capable. Yet, a sneak attack yields 20 devastating fires being set simultaneously. So, Ramsay > Stannis = poor writing.

I'm bitching here... my other complaint was Jon's return. He just witnessed the awesome power of the Night's King, but they don't show us his reveal to the Night's Watch, thus we don't see any depth to their denial. Those mean stares look ridiculous.

[India]

I'm trying to imagine what, if anything, is gonna happen when Ser Davos gets back and finds out what's become of Shireen. :(

I actually believe Ser Davos knew or feared something was going to happen to Shireen.

--He tried to push back on Stannis, and allowed Stannis to give him that piss poor excuse of why Davos had to go as opposed to a messenger

--Davos' gift to Shireen and the endearing scene between the two

--Davos knew. In his heart of hearts, he knew what was going to happen.

I truly hope not, but I fear Davos is a slave to Stannis and nothing will become (by way of Davos) of Stannis' actions. If I'm correct, Davos goes down to one of my least liked characters...

[Deadmantis]

I also felt disappointed that Ramsay's raid was smash hit. Stannis is supposed to be a great military commander. Davos certainly seems capable. Yet, a sneak attack yields 20 devastating fires being set simultaneously. So, Ramsay > Stannis = poor writing.



I was wondering this too, but I noticed a look of satisfaction on Melisandre's face as tents and horses burned from the Ramsay raid. Did she foresee it coming in her flames? and ensured it's success? so Stannis would be forced to react, ala sacrificing his daughter. Just a thought.

[wts]

I don't see him giving two shits about the books now that he made it big.

It's dementia/senility. He's incapable of finishing the series.

[Sirken]

Jorah's left hand was gloved, but his right, the one he took Dany's with, wasn't. Greyscale baby.
doesnt matter, you gotta touch the area thats affected to be infected by it.


Been a while since I've been in this thread.
#1- Stannis has seen previously unimaginable powers from Melisandre. He is living in a world of prophecy, terrors in the night coming to sweep away all life, blah blah blah. If he truly believes that his options are to sacrifice one innocent child or let all of the innocent children, plus everybody else, die...well, not sacrificing Shireen would be the monstrous choice.

#2- It really annoys me when people say Sansa was raped. Stop it. Willingly getting banged by a dude you don't like is not being raped.

#3- It is kind of frustrating that this season has shown that so many book storylines are, apparently, completely irrelevant to the outcome of the story.

#1 agreed. but could Stannis justify this as being "just". thats always been his big thing. in the book, i do not expect Stannis to be there when they burn Shireen.

#2 we only saw the wedding night. she very well could have said 'no' in the nights since then. the reason everyone is calling it the sansa rape is because in the book, Jeyne Poole (the character that was replaced by sansa this season) was absolutely beaten, raped, and kept in a tower.

#3 i dont think they will be irrelevant to the story in the book. the book is the story of ice and fire, the world created by GRRM, and the people in it. whereas the show is more of a dramatic reenactment of the battle for the iron throne and doesnt care about the details, as long as they get the broad strokes (like a lifetime movie). furthermore, i think changes are good because they arent spoiling anything. im pretty sure most of the book 6 chapters that were read or released were only read or released because the show was going to touch on them, ie the book 6 arya chapter that was released.

[Sirken]

I think the show has provided a sketchy connection between Stannis' actions and his belief he is Azor Ahai (much like the bandaid they stuck on the Daenerys/Tyrion/Varys plot hole). This makes Stannis look insane in additon to being an asshat. He may indeed be both in the end, but they could have propped that up better. In the end, he's swapped his soul for a throne he will not sit upon. I could very well see him taking the black.

One of the things that bothered me in-book and in-show is the sin of kinslaying. An abomination to the old Gods and the new Gods. So what, are we going to have to wait until a kinslayer dies for the pay-off? Until then, its snarky insults? Really?

I still do not understand what's going on in Dorne and how it fits with books. Anybody got this sorted out? And, what's up with the Ellaria/Jamie scene? She hitting on him, or luring him?

So Hizdahr was not a harpy... Who are the harpies? X-slaves? Btw, my iphone auto-corrects harpies to herpes. Ha!

I was a bit under-whelmed by the fighting pit scene. Anybody notice the spectators running to and fro in the stands after the harpies attacked? I found myself laughing at something where scene tension begged otherwise.

I also felt disappointed that Ramsay's raid was smash hit. Stannis is supposed to be a great military commander. Davos certainly seems capable. Yet, a sneak attack yields 20 devastating fires being set simultaneously. So, Ramsay > Stannis = poor writing.

I'm bitching here... my other complaint was Jon's return. He just witnessed the awesome power of the Night's King, but they don't show us his reveal to the Night's Watch, thus we don't see any depth to their denial. Those mean stares look ridiculous.
asshat? yes. insane? no. why would that make him insane? surely its not easy, and its emotional, and many parents probably would be too selfish to do that, or would at least try other things first. but stannis has looked into the fires, stannis knows what happened to renly, and that other nerd that was holding storms end after renly. stannis sees this as a sure bet, and more importantly, his only option. in the book, i expect Selyse to offer up Shireen without Stannis being there (as in the book, he leaves his fam at the castle eastwatch by the sea, on the wall). i agree they are doing a really bad job showing us things/changes with characters and their minds the last couple seasons. i dunno if they are getting lazy, or if they are just giving non readers too much credit, or if they just know that readers will in the holes for non readers. i cant tell you how many times i've had a non reader ask me "hey, uhh, sirken, why the f did this or that happen, and who the f is that guy?"

kinslaying is bad sure. but i think the people care more about it than the gods care about it. this world is a cruel mistress full of people that murder and rape every day. i dont expect anything horrible to magically happen to kinslayers. so yes, just as in real life, its just snarky insults (unless youre running fraps and catch him in the act).

i cant talk about dorne. the show fucked up every possible aspect of dorne and its characters. and i mean wtf happened to Arrianne Martell, ohh thats right, greyworm&messandei need screen time because... oh thats right, they dont. but surely that story is more important than, oh i dunno; Edric Storm, Mya Stone, Stoneheart, Coldhands, Belwas, Arianne Martell, 5 more Sand Snakes, Marwyn the Mage, Patchface, Victarion (id mention Euron, but it looks like they might actually be casting an actor for the role of Euron in season 6), Penny, Vargo Hoat, The Kindly Man, Jeyne Westerling, Quentyn Martell, Willas Tyrell, Varamyr, Arstan Whitebeard, Garlan Tyrell, Young Griff, Jon Connington, and holy fucking shit i didnt realize how many it was, im just going to stop before i flip the table.

Hizdahr is a dork. theres no Green Grace (OMG That's another character that was cut) on the show, and i believe she has more sway than anyone else in Mereen.

the dragon flying into the pit, and then leaving was dum. and he was smaller than he looked flying over Tyrion (unless maybe that wasnt Drogon? maybe thats an older Dragon? maybe the dragons werent all dead, maybe they were just in areas people do not go, ie: the smoking ruins of Valyria) but watching Drogon wrecking nerds was so great.

whenever D&D write original material, its not gonna be as well written, or fit in with the characters as well as when GRRM writes them.

[Sirken]

I actually believe Ser Davos knew or feared something was going to happen to Shireen.

--He tried to push back on Stannis, and allowed Stannis to give him that piss poor excuse of why Davos had to go as opposed to a messenger

--Davos' gift to Shireen and the endearing scene between the two

--Davos knew. In his heart of hearts, he knew what was going to happen.

I truly hope not, but I fear Davos is a slave to Stannis and nothing will become (by way of Davos) of Stannis' actions. If I'm correct, Davos goes down to one of my least liked characters...
he had to have at least highly suspected. watching him do all the things you mentioned, i felt like he knew, and i wasnt even 100% certain til it had happened. Davos probably left thinking there was no way on earth that Stannis could ever do such a thing to Shireen.



I was wondering this too, but I noticed a look of satisfaction on Melisandre's face as tents and horses burned from the Ramsay raid. Did she foresee it coming in her flames? and ensured it's success? so Stannis would be forced to react, ala sacrificing his daughter. Just a thought.
this red bitch claims that she could have saved the day at blackwater with all the wildfire. but you going to try to tell me that shes met her match against a few small concentrated non-wildfire fires? again, great original writing D&D.

[Nocsucow]

I just want to cry.....

[katrik]

Here's to some correct theories.. Maybe our boy isn't done yet.

[Sirken]

i mean, they foreshadowed that shit all season. i dunno how anyone really thought jon wasnt gonna get it.

at least in the book theres a legit reason as he tries to get his brothers to join him to attack the boltons. but on the show, jon never broke any oaths, and so in the show (unlike the book) the nights watch is wrong for stabbing jon.

[heartbrand]

Jamie is pretty much the only likable character on the show at this point

[Nocsucow]

Nah.... reek is the new main char

[India]

Yep, I was pretty happy with Reek's decision. Other than that... most everything that happened was expected. Bleh end of season. I guess the only real unknown right now is Stannis/Brienne

[Tiggles]

STANNNIIISSSSS NOOOOOOOOOO

I'm pissed off they didn't wrap up Jons death right there. I've had to wait four years eating tinfoil theories about warging and Azor Ahai and Melisandre only to be spoiled in a month when some asshat extra with a camera sneaks shots of him filming scenes.

[holahouze]

At least showrunners didn't say, "we were surprised when George told us..."

[Rec]

Ok since i can't spoil because the next book hasn't been written yet, they better have melisandre res Jon or there is going to be trouble

just too convenient for her to be there otherwise

[India]

Ok since i can't spoil because the next book hasn't been written yet, they better have melisandre res Jon or there is going to be trouble

just too convenient for her to be there otherwise

I am pretty certain that will happen .... but we'll see!!!

[Krycek]

Did I miss something, did Theon/Reek and Sansa just pull a Thelma and Louise?

[Fame]

Jamie is pretty much the only likable character on the show at this point

huh.. the rich really are different :rolleyes:

[LGraves]

I loved you Stannis!! and Jon will get that clicky cleric epic no doubt!!

Also I love me some Silicon Valley. Sorry if I missed a thread for this.. i'm not a lemon sniper.

-Corros

[India]

Did I miss something, did Theon/Reek and Sansa just pull a Thelma and Louise?

I don't think so. I think the insinuation is that there was enough snow to cushion their jump...

[India]

Ohhhh ok so one surprise was the killing of Myrcella

[Tiggles]

Ohhhh ok so one surprise was the killing of Myrcella

I was rooting for Darkstar to jump out of the boat yell "I am of the night" and mutilate Myrcella.

[India]

Myrcella, an innocent pawn in the Game of Thrones

[Pringles]

Expected more for the finale but ya I knew Jon was screwed. Will be interesting to see how they pull off next season. Kinda disappointed overall with this season TBH....

[India]

Me too Pringles :(

[Pokesan]

I'm mad there was no Benjen.

I'm pretty stupid for believing that shit rumor.

[LoliPops]

The Night’s Watch mutiny is definitely justified by the story. But we’ve also see his character grow and evolve as a leader over all these years and so it also just feels like that should all of that growth should pay off for something greater – more than the other characters we’ve seen die on the show. Obviously he’s accomplished plenty during his time at the Night’s Watch, bu there’s a feeling of, “that’s not what’s supposed to happen, he was destined for greater things.”
Yeah, but we have to go by what Thrones does. And Thrones treats drama as real life. And people die and don’t accomplish what we think they’re meant to in real life. And I think that’s one of the powerful things about Thrones. The major loss with Jon’s through-line is he never finds out who his mother is and that’s the heartbreaking thing for me.

Last year you said the one thing you really want is for your character to learn that.
And he doesn’t. So I don’t know. It’s really the way Thrones does things and I will be really interested to see audience reaction. I hope it’s not, “F–k yes, thank f–k he’s dead.”

I think they’ll be heartbroken—even those who are like, “Tyrion is my favorite character” or whatnot. You cannot have watched this show, and watch your character grow all these years, and not feel gut-kicked over the way your arc plays out.
I hope that’s the case.

I was talking to Dan Weiss and he said Jon is really dead. But George R.R. Martin left open the possibility the character might not be dead in the books. And then that cast salary contract story came out last year and it had your name among those receiving raises for season six and an option on a seventh. So let me ask you: Is Jon really dead?
This is my understanding of it. I had a sit-down with Dan and David, we did the Tony Soprano walk [letting an actor know they’re being whacked]. And they said, “Look, you’re gone, it’s done.” And as far as the salary thing goes, that angered me when that story came out. I don’t know where it came from, but it was inaccurate in many ways. It’s going to put questions into your head and into fans’ heads that things are not what they are. Quite honestly, I have never been told the future of things in this show, but this is the one time I have. They sat me down and said, “This is how it is.” If anything in the future is not like that, then I don’t know about it – it’s only in David and Dan and George’s heads. But I’ve been told I’m dead. I’m dead. I’m not coming back next season. So that’s all I can tell you, really.

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/06/14/game-thrones-jon-dies-interview

[Rec]

thank goodness he knows nothing

[Luminari]

Jon may be dead but he won't be for long. He's 100% going to be resurrected. The show made that pretty obvious I thought. Even if you couldn't tell from the hints in the show with Mellisandre's return, there's the fact that Kit has 2 more years left on his contract. Should get interesting.

[Lune]

http://i.imgur.com/34hkSQW.jpg

[beyondinfin]

"Jon Always Comes Back." - Sam

[Sirken]

my big issue is this. in the book, the nightswatch is in the right for stabbing jon. hes not allowed to gather up his brothers to fight the boltons. but in the show, the brothers were just salty over the wildlings. that is not ok. they didnt end jon "for the watch", they did it because they didnt agree with him. dumb.

sansa will be fine.

pretty cool how they worked stannis's scene to make you wonder if hes dead or not.

not horrible, but far from the best finale. as a whole the season moved real slow, reminded me a lot of book 4.

[Luminari]

my big issue is this. in the book, the nightswatch is in the right for stabbing jon. hes not allowed to gather up his brothers to fight the boltons. but in the show, the brothers were just salty over the wildlings. that is not ok. they didnt end jon "for the watch", they did it because they didnt agree with him. dumb.

sansa will be fine.

pretty cool how they worked stannis's scene to make you wonder if hes dead or not.

not horrible, but far from the best finale. as a whole the season moved real slow, reminded me a lot of book 4.

How can they be in the right for stabbing Jon to death over gathering brothers to fight the Bolton's. That's pretty much the same exact thing as not agreeing with him about the wildlings. Anyways, my gripe is that it was painfully obvious to everyone that Jon was right about the white walkers and that even Jon didn't wanna have to join forces with the wildlings but knew there was no real choice.

Not to mention a lot of people saw him single handedly kill a white walker and they know the dude knows how to fight. Knowing there's an army of undead coming for you, you'd think you'd want as many people like Jon on your side as you can get. It's not like killing Jon some how gets rid of all of the wildlings that are still there so wtf was the point really?

[Patriam1066]

my big issue is this. in the book, the nightswatch is in the right for stabbing jon. hes not allowed to gather up his brothers to fight the boltons. but in the show, the brothers were just salty over the wildlings. that is not ok. they didnt end jon "for the watch", they did it because they didnt agree with him. dumb.

sansa will be fine.

pretty cool how they worked stannis's scene to make you wonder if hes dead or not.

not horrible, but far from the best finale. as a whole the season moved real slow, reminded me a lot of book 4.

I pretty much agree with all of this. Although definitely not the best, this season wasn't horrible. It was just awfully paced (plate tectonics comes to mind), which makes it seem worse than it actually was.

I do, however, think some of the original plot needed work. Stannis TWICE gets caught unaware because he doesn't employ sentries and scouts. That makes absolutely no sense. The Meereen story had an even bigger plot hole. There's a massive regicidal insurrection in the fighting pits, and the next time we see the city Varys and Tyrion are overlooking a scene of relative tranquility? I'm sorry, but unless Drogon was hovering above, those people would be in open revolt right now. Or maybe they're happier with slave soldiers led a foreign dwarf ruling them.... (I realize there was a similar situation in the books)

I'm being captious, but honestly I didn't mind the season other than the pace and the above gripes. I agree with you that they looked like petty, treasonous ass holes for killing Jon that way. In the books, he was essentially deserting the watch. The penalty for that is ALWAYS death. In the show, Olly should've stabbed him alone. Would've made more sense.

[Nads]

My brother's been begging me to start watching this show again. Years ago I started watching but got to like episode 5 of the first season before I had to head back to college for the semester. This past week some shit happened irl and I had no motivation to do anything this weekend, so I said what the hell....

Now on episode 2 of season 3..i can't stop watching!

[Sirken]

How can they be in the right for stabbing Jon to death over gathering brothers to fight the Bolton's. That's pretty much the same exact thing as not agreeing with him about the wildlings. Anyways, my gripe is that it was painfully obvious to everyone that Jon was right about the white walkers and that even Jon didn't wanna have to join forces with the wildlings but knew there was no real choice.

Not to mention a lot of people saw him single handedly kill a white walker and they know the dude knows how to fight. Knowing there's an army of undead coming for you, you'd think you'd want as many people like Jon on your side as you can get. It's not like killing Jon some how gets rid of all of the wildlings that are still there so wtf was the point really?

no. no its not. the brothers of the nights watch do not involve themselves with the wars of men (ie: Stannis vs Roose), they do however protect the realm of men, lets say from, f'ing undead frozen ice zombies (whitewalkers). you dont save the wildlings and they get killed and turned into wights/others (ie: zombies), and the realm of men could very well perish. there is an absolutely huge difference there.

in the show there was no point. the nights watch was all butt hurt and they killed him. they should all be executed for being traitors. in the book jon tries rallying them to fight against Roose, that is a cardinal sin, and that makes jon a traitor to the watch, and should have been executed.

[Eldon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FGT7NzqDRU

[LoliPops]

felt rushed, only parts I loved were
Tyrion & Varys's excellent Meereen adventure
Cersei's Shame, SHAME
SHAME

wud bang

[Tapatio]

Very upset with recent developments

[Ezalor]

pretty cool how they worked stannis's scene to make you wonder if hes dead or not.

that was a nice jumpcut

ramsay = "evil" for picking off wounded, straggling soldiers.

brienne = "good" yet is executing an immobilized and badly wounded stannis.

getting real tired of brienne's shit personally.

[Skittlez]

Stannis isn't dead. George told me himself on the phone?

[Rararboker]

I'd vote on him being alive too. Very few instances in GoT have they not shown the details of a kill. Feels like there was a purpose to making it ambiguous otherwise we would have seen his head roll.

[holahouze]

It’s been a bumpy journey, but the season has ended with many of the key characters where they were (or appeared headed) in the books. A lot of progress packed into the last 3 episodes. If Martin can’t sort out his writing constipation, next season will be a free-for-all.

The storyline of Jon’s assassination is troublesome in-show. And, the lines tossed our way from Thorne, Jon, and Sam do little more than foreshadow his death. If the events of Hardhome do not scare the brothers of NW straight, then they themselves are on shaky ground in protecting the realms of men. This is Harry Potter quality story-telling to me. I was also bothered by the timing of decision to send Sam to Oldtown. This had to be done BEFORE the threat of the Others was understood, because the wall could fall before he even reaches the Citadel. And… no Ghost. I much prefer the warging theory to the Mel resurrection.

Of course, a similar beef could be had with the books. The NW has been ignored by the realms of men for decades, and given the growing threat of the Others, they have to do something different. Forming alliances is one of the few, if only, avenues. I really respected the Jon character for this, but the brothers are blind to it. The NW has needed a proper house-cleaning for some time, and its coming. Perhaps that is the point.

Stannis effectively committed suicide. The storytellers/narrators misled us about him being a great military commander -- out-flanked and out-fought by Tyrion and Ramsay. What a letdown. But they never told us he was intelligent, savvy, or emotionally strong. Wonder what the Iron Bank took as collateral?? What are the odds that Brienne spared him?

I don’t find Cersei’s shame walk all that humiliating. What does she care about small folks’ opinions of her? I will say, that was a whole lot of full frontal from a lead actress.

Guess we’re going to get that war between Dorne and King’s Landing. This makes Doran look like an idiot. I vote for a 1:1 between Cersei and Ellaria – none of this “champion” stuff.

That was a hellacious jump for Sansa and Theon. Where do they go once they dig themselves out of the snow bank??

If you find yourself having some fantasy/magic withdrawal, the BBC has launched Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell. The book was very interesting, and the BBC did a good job with the first episode.

[Deadmantis]

An interesting read on how the show compares with the books, and a preview of what may come in Season 6.
http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/06/game-of-thrones-season-6

[Babam]

I havent watched since season 2 but gawd did i get a kick out of watching those reaction videos

[katrik]

https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/39t7ns/spoilers_all_kit_harington_hints_got_season_6_info/

[Rararboker]

They will try to burn jon as is the ritual and he will not burn. You cannot burn the Dragon.

[Patriam1066]

They will try to burn jon as is the ritual and he will not burn. You cannot burn the Dragon.

Never thought about that. That would be awesome.

[beyondinfin]

They will try to burn jon as is the ritual and he will not burn. You cannot burn the Dragon.

That gives me an idea that when it comes time to burn the body the flame is started, acting like and alarm clock and Jon simply rises off the pyre.

[bullproofmonk]

The actor portraying Jon said the character is dead in an interview . Yet he is still on location filming.

Fire priestess wasn't shown strolling back to castle black for no reason at all. Gonna rub them ginger titties on some snow and warm him right up.