ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[Hodor_]

Hodor.

[Sirken]

Whoah going out on a limb there buddy.

is it though? Season 5 was clearly filler in hopes of having Book 6 ready so they could have more book material to go on. But when that didn't happen, they had to push on without the books. They finished season 6 as best they could without the books, and knew they book 6 would never be out in time to help them, so they were in way over their head and they decided they needed to wrap this show up asap.

I firmly expect this show to wrap up with a happy ending, maybe a scooby doo ending, but definitely not the bittersweet ending we've been promised.

[AzzarTheGod]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iePTjdDXslM

still listening to this guys post-mortem when I have time

[AenorVZ]

I firmly expect this show to wrap up with a happy ending, maybe a scooby doo ending, but definitely not the bittersweet ending we've been promised.

Nerds will seethe.

Top link ATG.

[Edit: LMAO at almost as many downvotes as up.]

Also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ_yN9ITCBA

Preston is an analyst for the US Dept of State?

Called it. Preston is CIA.

[AzzarTheGod]

Nerds will seethe.

Top link ATG.

[Edit: LMAO at almost as many downvotes as up.]


lol good catch, angry bees. I guess the truth hurts.

[Sirken]

so are we thinking happy LotR ending, shocking scooby doo ending, or the bittersweet bookish ending?
Because i've decided that i'm terrified we're gonna just get a cheesy LotR ending :(


that said, new season 8 casting call is out and i saw a video (https://youtu.be/Qs3EadxJrG0), and in there it mentions that some of the roles film in June of 2018.. while I had been holding out hope, doesn't like like we're getting Season 8 until 2019. but that said, filming in June tells me they are going to be filming some post-winter scenes, which tells me that the Night King will lose and we will see spring again. Could also just be a non winter flashback or vision i suppose. but i do think the happy spring ending is more likely

[paulgiamatti]

Cersei will agree if Jon says the right thing = Jon says wrong thing

Literally every idea Jon has had has resulted in someone saving his skin, or making a situation harder than it needs to be. As a wise woman once said; you know nothing Jon Snow.

Well, Cersei wasn't going to agree anyway as we found out, so Jon wasn't wrong to profess his fealty in that situation. And you have to admit that sticking to his guns and going to Dragonstone ended up being the right call.

or the bittersweet bookish ending?

Definitely this one, although being so wrong about Jorah means anything I say about GoT should be taken with a healthy dose of skepticism. I'm going to guess the White Walkers will be annihilated, but at great cost to Dany & co.

[Ahldagor]

If we get Jon Snow giving a speech then charging like Arargorn then the laziness of the writers would be confirmed. Last season had a lot of predictability, but it was also a buil-up/filler season. HBO does that with their super-series format tho'. Proly lots of deaths to come (Tyrion sill die proly 2/3 through the season) and Bronn better get his fucking castle.0

[Lulz~Sect]

I'd love to see the Whitewalkers win but obviously they won't.

Would love to see a show about zombies set in a fantasy world. The walking dead but less shitty + fantasy setting? Sign me up

[AzzarTheGod]

so are we thinking happy LotR ending, shocking scooby doo ending, or the bittersweet bookish ending?
Because i've decided that i'm terrified we're gonna just get a cheesy LotR ending :(


that said, new season 8 casting call is out and i saw a video (https://youtu.be/Qs3EadxJrG0), and in there it mentions that some of the roles film in June of 2018.. while I had been holding out hope, doesn't like like we're getting Season 8 until 2019. but that said, filming in June tells me they are going to be filming some post-winter scenes, which tells me that the Night King will lose and we will see spring again. Could also just be a non winter flashback or vision i suppose. but i do think the happy spring ending is more likely



I don't know. I'm hoping for a Lord of Light script call back after the final sequence, Jon drops to the ground having served his purpose. Viewers discover he was never really alive, rather the Lord of Light was working through him.

I think we get the spring ending, but with only maybe 2 or 3 surviving characters. Really to make it a good ending, Jon needs to go back to being dead again and it needs to be done the right way.

D&D can't write those kind of scenes, nor can they pace a story correctly up to that kind of scene, so fuck season 8?

[Priceline]

probably already mentioned, only read the last few pages of this thread, but season 8 wont have a script released to the actors. lines fed through earpiece to thwart hackerman5000.

https://i.imgur.com/M6vQDzb.gif

[Raavak]

I'm thinking a Pyrrhic victory with lots of heroes dead, but Jon eventually gets 1 on 1 with the Night King and kills him causing the army of the dead to crumble.

Dunno whats going to happen with Westros after since Jon's parentage being disclosed would put him in line over Dany to rule the Seven Kingdoms.

But then there is Cersei and her mercenary army. Though Jamie has abandoned her to ride with Jon ("Don't ever betray me again," Cersei had warned. Well, he did). Tyrian already with Dany. The Lannisters are divided. Maybe Varys shows this to the Iron Bank and has them call in her debt. And then of course, Arya might get to Cersei first.

[paulgiamatti]

I haven't read ASOIAF, but I've been pondering Season 8 a lot more lately - the first snow of the season could have something to do with it.

Jaime only has one place to go, but it's obvious Dany is going to be extremely apprehensive about another Lannister joining the party - specifically, the Lannister that suicidally charged her and Drogon on horseback brandishing a spear in the Battle of the Goldroad. And, of course, Tyrion is going to have to stick up for him and convince Dany to take him on board. I can totally imagine that conversation. "He's not all bad. I'm alive because of him. He helped us set up the meeting with Cersei. Give him a chance!" Dany will be scowling the whole time. Tyrion will eventually convince her because, even though he's much smarter than Jaime, he simply doesn't possess the same military mind as made evident by his embarrassing defeat at Highgarden. Granted, Jaime isn't the wisest military commander in Westeros either - Cersei is clearly the brains of the two, but nevertheless Jaime will be in a unique position as the only person capable of understanding her brutal, underhanded style of warfare and therefore capable of counteracting her.

And, also of course, Jaime's prince charming will be coming along too - you know who I'm talking about. He definitely won't be happy about leaving King's Landing, his place of gainful employment, only to join the cockless brigade. And as we know, Bronn is the only living man to put even so much as a scratch on one of Dany's dragons, which heightens Dany & co.'s prospects for defeating zombie Viserion, assuming they can build a similar contraption or somehow hijack one of Cersei's. I suspect Dany will lose another dragon to Viserion and the White Walkers, but manage to burn the corpse before conversion and refuse to risk the life of her last which of course will be Drogon. This will raise the urgency of finding another means for defeating Viserion, which may in the end require the collaboration of a Drogon-mounted Dany, in conjunction with a well-aimed Dragonglass projectile courtesy of Ser Bronn. I wonder how many days of CGI rendering a shattering undead dragon in midflight would run them.

This would also open up some space to see a return of Bran's humanity, since he went all contemplative, emotionless Three Eyed Raven and everything. How will he react when he comes face to face with the man who crippled him from the waist down, seeing him allied with his team? How will he react when he taps into Cerebro and realizes it was him, or did that already happen?

[paulgiamatti]

Bronn is the only living man to put even so much as a scratch on one of Dany's dragons

Correction - this ignores when the Sons of the Harpy did some damage to an adolescent Drogon back in Season 5, but you get the point. It holds water for the fully grown dragons.

[Sirken]

Well, Cersei wasn't going to agree anyway as we found out, so Jon wasn't wrong to profess his fealty in that situation. And you have to admit that sticking to his guns and going to Dragonstone ended up being the right call
yes, you and I know this now after the fact, but Jon did not. And Jon telling Cersei the truth was not some elaborate plan of his based on his gut instinct of what Cersei would do. no, Jon did what he did for the same reasons that caused Ned to make the wrong decision at almost every single crossroads; honor. And in this world, there's a very fine line between honorable and stupid.

If we get Jon Snow giving a speech then charging like Arargorn then the laziness of the writers would be confirmed. Last season had a lot of predictability, but it was also a buil-up/filler season. HBO does that with their super-series format tho'. Proly lots of deaths to come (Tyrion sill die proly 2/3 through the season) and Bronn better get his fucking castle.0
Honestly, I expect Tyrion to live and Bronn to die. Bronn isn't really needed for the future/epilogue, whereas Tyrion very well may be needed. I would not at all be shocked if Jon dies sacrificing himself to defeat the whitewalkers, while Dany dies in child birth (just like Dany's mother died birthing her, and just like Jon's mother died birthing him. You could also try to lump Tyrion in there as he killed his mom in child birth as well, but I don't that's relevant to this specific thing). That would leave J&D's child to be the king, with Tyrion serving as hand and regent until the child comes to age.

I don't know. I'm hoping for a Lord of Light script call back after the final sequence, Jon drops to the ground having served his purpose. Viewers discover he was never really alive, rather the Lord of Light was working through him.
I think we get the spring ending, but with only maybe 2 or 3 surviving characters. Really to make it a good ending, Jon needs to go back to being dead again and it needs to be done the right way.
D&D can't write those kind of scenes, nor can they pace a story correctly up to that kind of scene, so fuck season 8?
So, funny story, GRRM has actually commented on this in a way. He explained that the magics used to reanimate corpses is not entirely different between the white walkers and the red priests. GRRM uses Beric as the example (i'm assuming because Jon is still dead in the books), but he explains that Beric is for all argumentative purposes, a zombie. His heart doesn't beat, and blood is no longer actively pumped through his veins. On top of these physical changes, Beric notices that he looses a piece of himself each time he comes back to life as if the process was literally tearing mental and emotional layers off of him with each rezz, changing him a bit more each time. But at a bare minimum, we absolutely have both Ice and Fire zombies (in the book at least)

[Spyder73]

I just keep crossing my fingers and waiting to hear that GRRM is releasing the last 2books at the same time. I have the feeling that I will be disappointed

[Sirken]

I just keep crossing my fingers and waiting to hear that GRRM is releasing the last 2books at the same time. I have the feeling that I will be disappointed

I mean.. you do realize that roughly 400 pages were removed from Dance of Dragons because his editor said the book was too long right? meaning the first 400 or so pages of Winds of Winter were already written back in 2011. and now he just released the story of Aegon's two sons (and since 2011, he's released "The Rogue Prince", "The Princess and the Queen", "The Entire Fucking World History of Ice and Fire", and a giant full sized map book. am i missing anything?). I'm pretty sure GRRM hates his readers, and that he's just fucking with us on purpose at this point.

[Raavak]

https://i.imgur.com/k7WjXRg.jpg

[Lulz~Sect]

books peaked at Storm of Swords

i couldn't stand a Feast for Crows

[Patriam1066]

I mean.. you do realize that roughly 400 pages were removed from Dance of Dragons because his editor said the book was too long right? meaning the first 400 or so pages of Winds of Winter were already written back in 2011. and now he just released the story of Aegon's two sons (and since 2011, he's released "The Rogue Prince", "The Princess and the Queen", "The Entire Fucking World History of Ice and Fire", and a giant full sized map book. am i missing anything?). I'm pretty sure GRRM hates his readers, and that he's just fucking with us on purpose at this point.

Lol

That's pretty damning evidence

[AenorVZ]

At a bare minimum, we absolutely have both Ice and Fire zombies (in the book at least)

Ask and ye shall receive.

[Sirken]

books peaked at Storm of Swords
i couldn't stand a Feast for Crows
Feast was my least favorite on the first read through. on the second read through you appreciate it much more, and i think the main reason is because book 3 is action packed, and coming off of that into Feast is a giant massive change of pace that doesnt pick up or answer anything really from book 3. but there's a ton of shit going on in Feast, and i strongly suggest a reread or a re-listen to the books. After a reread, feast is easily my second or third favorite book of the series at this point. ESPECIALLY after knowing how badly the show fucked up Dorne and all of the Feast plots.

<3

[Patriam1066]

Feast was my least favorite on the first read through. on the second read through you appreciate it much more, and i think the main reason is because book 3 is action packed, and coming off of that into Feast is a giant massive change of pace that doesnt pick up or answer anything really from book 3. but there's a ton of shit going on in Feast, and i strongly suggest a reread or a re-listen to the books. After a reread, feast is easily my second or third favorite book of the series at this point. ESPECIALLY after knowing how badly the show fucked up Dorne and all of the Feast plots.

<3

I liked feast too after a re-read. Martin writes cersei's character well

[AenorVZ]

That's what I loved so much about you introducing us to Preston. His theory vids allowed me to reread the later books and love them. That's no small thing. <3

[Sirken]

That's what I loved so much about you introducing us to Preston. His theory vids allowed me to reread the later books and love them. That's no small thing. <3

i know some of PJ's theories can be a tad wild, but he's bringing up things that I hadn't heard of before and supporting it with the book. i definitely don't agree with all of his logic, but after 6 years of waiting for the next book, its nice to see someone bringing new ideas to the table and not just parroting the same shit that everybody is.

[AenorVZ]

Theories?? It's. All. True.

[citizen1080]

Am i the only one who thinks Fire and Ice are going to sacrifice themselves for the good of the realm in a tragic love lost scenario, and Gendry is going to be King, making the entire series of events in the books one big circle jerk because a Barathaon is back on the Throne?

I am far from caught up on reading on the pages in this thread, forgive me if someone mentioned this already.

[Patriam1066]

Am i the only one who thinks Fire and Ice are going to sacrifice themselves for the good of the realm in a tragic love lost scenario, and Gendry is going to be King, making the entire series of events in the books one big circle jerk because a Barathaon is back on the Throne?

I am far from caught up on reading on the pages in this thread, forgive me if someone mentioned this already.

I'm ok with that. Makes sense show wise

Books I'm hoping Sansa wins after the Dany/Jon sacrifice you allude to. Not sure why, except that if it were to happen she'd have to become a pretty accomplished politician and shrewd leader

[Oleris]

If I was that rich and that old I wouldn't stress out about publishing a book. I'm sure he is enjoying his wealth and loving life. Hoping he finishes them before he dies, but that is his choice.

[Lulz~Sect]

I will give it another shot then. Was Cercei's downfall Feast? I do remember enjoying that and the book Victarion arc...

[Patriam1066]

On the first read through, the books definitely peak at ASoS. When you get to Feast all the action and characters are missing and it's a huge let down. Taken alone and for what it is, there is a good story there and yeah, Cersei fucking up while thinking she's the successor to Tywin is fairly entertaining

[Sirken]

Am i the only one who thinks Fire and Ice are going to sacrifice themselves for the good of the realm in a tragic love lost scenario, and Gendry is going to be King, making the entire series of events in the books one big circle jerk because a Barathaon is back on the Throne?

I am far from caught up on reading on the pages in this thread, forgive me if someone mentioned this already.

i've said close to that. i expect Jon will sacrifice himself to save everyone in a very jesus/neo like fashion, and i think Dany will die giving birth to their child (just like Jon & Dany did to their mothers). Tyrion, having also killed his mother in childbirth feels bad for baby targ, and should end up ruling in his stead as King Regent. Gendry would have to be legitimized by a king to be un-bastardized, and i don't see a king legitimizing someone to be his direct competition for the throne. at best Gendry could end up as lord of Storm's End (as bastards can be bestowed titles & lands). Also, if you want a circle jerk, there's been a Targ on the throne as Robert's Grandmother was a Targaryen. Joffrey (albeit completely illegitimate) was the first non Targ on the throne since there was a throne, and there was never a Targaryen-Lannister marriage. if you acknowledge the right of conquest, then Stannis should be king (assuming Gendry isn't made legitimate), and if you don't acknowledge the conquest thing, then Jon should be king. but either way, you get more Targ blood wearing the crown.

[citizen1080]

Also, if you want a circle jerk, there's been a Targ on the throne as Robert's Grandmother was a Targaryen.

Mind.Blown

[gummab]

People still giving GoT a thought in late 2017? you guys need to lay of the schezuan sauce.

Lets face it the next series is going to be a steaming pile of dogshit.

[paulgiamatti]

Yeah, what kind of loser-nerds would wax theoretical about a show that only the entirety of humanity watches?!

[Sirken]

Yeah, what kind of loser-nerds would wax theoretical about a show that only the entirety of humanity watches?!
yea, nerds.

so, Miguel Sapochnik is directing episodes 3 & 5 (with nutter doing 1, 2, 4, and with D&D doing episode 6). since hes the guy that did the Hardhome and Battle of the Bastards episodes, looks like we are getting two big battles next season. I'm thinking ep 6 will be more of an epilogue than anything else.

thoughts?

[AzzarTheGod]

yea, nerds.

so, Miguel Sapochnik is directing episodes 3 & 5 (with nutter doing 1, 2, 4, and with D&D doing episode 6). since hes the guy that did the Hardhome and Battle of the Bastards episodes, looks like we are getting two big battles next season. I'm thinking ep 6 will be more of an epilogue than anything else.

thoughts?

That makes me a little more interested in this final season. I thought the Battle of the Bastards was really well done. It had an impact.

It was riveting to watch and delivered on the hype in the weeks leading up to it. The story, not so excited about. Even if its great, its still a season finale and season finales tend to be meh.

[paulgiamatti]

So isn't Jon basically just fucking his aunt?

[Hodor_]

Hodor

[Sirken]

fine. great video on Brendyn Rivers (three eyed crow) - https://youtu.be/1oEqnDAbCfE

enjoy

[Sirken]

ugh. Game of Thrones is going to end, and a new GoT series is going to start before we get the next book.

fuck my whole life

[Vormotus]

ugh. Game of Thrones is going to end, and a new GoT series is going to start before we get the next book.

fuck my whole life

WHAAAAAAAAAAAT?????

https://i.imgur.com/2WluEAG.gif

[Patriam1066]

ugh. Game of Thrones is going to end, and a new GoT series is going to start before we get the next book.

fuck my whole life

I'd say there's a good chance we won't get the 6th book

What's the new show about?

[Sirken]

I'd say there's a good chance we won't get the 6th book
What's the new show about?

Oh, I think we'll get 6. but if we get 7 it will be because Brandon Sanderson wrote it ;)

regarding the new show, they ordered a pilot, so it won't be a thing unless that gets approved/picked up, but it's set to take place during the Age of Heros. I have super mixed feelings about it, and it could end up being good or really really awful.

I really wish they would have done "The Rogue Prince" & "The Princess and The Queen" as a series.

[Kaveh]

Oh, I think we'll get 6. but if we get 7 it will be because Brandon Sanderson wrote it ;)

regarding the new show, they ordered a pilot, so it won't be a thing unless that gets approved/picked up, but it's set to take place during the Age of Heros. I have super mixed feelings about it, and it could end up being good or really really awful.

I really wish they would have done "The Rogue Prince" & "The Princess and The Queen" as a series.

I don't think he's gonna finish 6. I hope it's a priority to him but who knows.



The Age of Heroes could be good but yeah, there was better material. I guess we'll see

[Sirken]

I don't think he's gonna finish 6. I hope it's a priority to him but who knows.
The Age of Heroes could be good but yeah, there was better material. I guess we'll see

what pisses me off is that almost half of Book 6 was done 7 years ago. his editor forced him to remove multiple hundreds of pages from book 5 because it was just too fucking big. so he pulled a bunch of chapters to save for Book 6. He essentially only had to write half a book to finish book 6, unless he scrapped all that shit and decided to go in a completely different direction.

Part of me really is starting to buy into the whole "he's waiting for the show to end" tin foil.

The age of heros thing bothers me because there's really no source material, and a lot of it is legend. part of me does not want that show because it will ruin the mythology behind Lan the Clever, Brandon the Builder, Garth Greenhand, etc if we find out they actually didn't do all the things accredited to them :(