Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Toxigen]

3/4 of the way there, keep it rolling boys

[DeathsSilkyMist]

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

The ball is in Troxx's court. He claims his own data is bad. If that is true, I have hard evidence via videos and logs, and he has nothing. The only people keeping this thread alive are Troxx and friends. Either provide better data, or concede.

3/4 of the way there, keep it rolling boys

The trolls will get bored eventually. Or perhaps Troxx will actually provide data that he claims isn't bad, and we can come to a consensus, one way or another.

[Troxx]

So apparently what happened is DSM set out to try and do a thing last night … was unable to do said thing up to his standards (we knew he would be unable) …

And now we are full on autistic flailing …

[DeathsSilkyMist]

So apparently what happened is DSM set out to try and do a thing last night … was unable to do said thing up to his standards (we knew he would be unable) …

And now we are full on autistic flailing …

The only flailing here is being done by yourself. You have yet to provide any evidence that matches your own standards, if you indeed claim your data is bad. You are not the arbiter of standards that everybody has to follow. I am sorry you have such an inflated ego that you believe everybody has to do what you say, and you don't have to provide any correct evidence using your own standard.

You simply thought that because a Monk is losing 30% DPS due to pulling, your parser was wrong because your DPS was lower than you thought lol.

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[Troxx]

https://c.tenor.com/eVAPFEU17_wAAAAd/yes-thirsty.gif


Ladies and gentlemen… we are witnessing an atomic meltdown!

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Ladies and gentlemen… we are witnessing an atomic meltdown!

Indeed, your meltdown has been spectacular. You have been proven wrong so soundly that all you can do is post memes in a futile attempt to hide the data lol. Your post history doesn't lie, people can see the trainwreck that is you being mad:)

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[cyxthryth]

The ball is in Troxx's court. He claims his data is bad.

He does not claim his data is "bad". What he DOES claim is visible on his posts... you may continue to misinterpret and/or misrepresent those posts if you choose to, but that does not change the facts. :)

If that is true,

It is not. :) You made it up, see above. :)

I have hard evidence via videos and logs, and he has nothing. The only people keeping this thread alive are Troxx and friends. Either provide better data, or concede.

Troxx has provided exactly the amount of data that has been posted to this thread (by Troxx), visible to all here - not "nothing". :)

That you continue to misinterpret or be unable to understand such data, or that you misconstrue it (whether intentionally or otherwise) or move the goalposts of the discussion (as has been pointed out to you by multiple posters in this thread) does not mean "the data needs to be better". :)

You might be surprised what others are willing to concede - especially if it is warranted/justified! What would you like Troxx or any other posters in this thread to concede exactly?


The trolls will get bored eventually. Or perhaps Troxx will actually provide data that he claims isn't bad, and we can come to a consensus, one way or another.

Troxx DID provide data, Troxx DID NOT claim his data is bad. Why are you saying that? Are you arguing from bad faith? :)

[PlsNoBan]

breathtaking autism

Another day another 5+ pages of DSM being outrageously autistic

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Please ignore the trolls like cyxthryth and PlsNoBan. Troxx said his parse was bugged lol. And he has said plenty of times the parse undervalues DPS by 30%. Either his parser is just wrong (which is why it is undervaluing DPS and "bugging out"), or he needs to prove how GamParser is losing 30% DPS on all players, and not just the Monk who is pulling. Why is it that Troxx's 30% DPS number coincides EXACTLY with the difference in DPS between his Monk and Grandmaster? He says his monk can DPS at 70, and 70 x 0.7 = 49 lol. Grandmaster's DPS is... 48.

I already gave you individual fights broken out from that bugged compile …

Here is the real data so far:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[Troxx]

https://c.tenor.com/zV97vABOlhcAAAAM/thirsty-hangover.gif

24 more pages! You can do it!

[DeathsSilkyMist]

24 more pages! You can do it!

You continue to embarass yourself with this glorious meltdown:) You can stop at any time, or provide better data.

Here is the current data:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[cyxthryth]

Please ignore the trolls like cyxthryth and PlsNoBan. Troxx said his parse was bugged lol. And he has said plenty of times the parse undervalues DPS by 30%. Either his parser is just wrong (which is why it is undervaluing DPS and "bugging out"), or he needs to prove how GamParser is losing 30% DPS on all players, and not just the Monk who is pulling.
Here is the real data so far:

What Troxx ACTUALLY said is visible in his post history on this thread; viewable by all.

Why does Troxx need to do any X instead of you doing the equivalent of what Troxx did for comparison (reminder: he has asked you to repeatedly)? Are you suggesting that Troxx is lying / arguing from bad faith by presenting false data? Why?

Are you NOT actually interested in revealing whether or not your Shaman is capable of doing what you claim it is capable of doing (out of fear of being inadequate/unable to perform as you have claimed so many times in this thread that you'd be capable of performing)?

Why do you continue to call me a troll when all I have stated are facts, or asked questions?

Why do you continue to ignore my posts?

[PlsNoBan]

The longer this goes on the more I'm convinced there is serious mental illness going on here and I know I shouldn't make fun of it but like... god damn... ya know?

[Toxigen]

literally me irl

https://i.imgur.com/sm3uAHI.gif

[Troxx]

https://c.tenor.com/ldZMUAqhrFsAAAAC/autism.gif

[DeathsSilkyMist]

To answer your questions cyxthryth, it is really quite simple:

Troxx is not the overlord of this forum. He does not get to dictate the precise requirements for how to obtain data, nor does he get to throw out data he disagrees with. He has no evidence to suggest my method would differ from playing in a group. It wouldn't, because the mob stats (HP, AC, Resists, etc.) do not magically change when you group with people.

I have revealed the data and what a Shaman is capable of, but people are stubbornly refusing to believe it because the only thing they can do is play the semantic game of "if you weren't in a group, then the numbers would change". No evidence has been provided for this claim, and it is up to the people making the claim to provide the evidence.

Troxx himself is claiming his own data is bad. Should I not listen to him when he says that?

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[Troxx]

Are you NOT actually interested in revealing whether or not your Shaman is capable of doing what you claim it is capable of doing (out of fear of being inadequate/unable to perform as you have claimed so many times in this thread that you'd be capable of performing)?

I think the problem is that he tried last night and was unable. It certainly explains this entertaining tantrum he is throwing

[PlsNoBan]

I will say if I was ever mentally ill enough to attempt raiding on blue again. I don't really have any preference between VQ and Riot or whoever else. This guy is WAY more than enough reason to avoid whatever guild thinks this type of person is a good member lol. Judging by his forum habits I don't even want to imagine how much tism ends up in guild chat or discord.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I think the problem is that he tried last night and was unable. It certainly explains this entertaining tantrum he is throwing

Incorrect. I proved it without a doubt, and you are now in full meltdown mode lol. Your own data works against you, and then you claim it is incorrect. How convenient:) You have to resort to some silly semantics about claiming your method for data gathering is the only valid way. It's a bad argument.

Here is the data so far:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

As for PlsNoBan:

I will say if I was ever mentally ill enough to attempt raiding on blue again. I don't really have any preference between VQ and Riot or whoever else. This guy is WAY more than enough reason to avoid whatever guild thinks this type of person is a good member lol. Judging by his forum habits I don't even want to imagine how much tism ends up in guild chat or discord.

He is really making himself look good by calling everybody he disagrees with autistic. Great guy, right? I am not forcing you to post this, you can stop at any time lol.

[PlsNoBan]

I think the problem is that he tried last night and was unable. It certainly explains this entertaining tantrum he is throwing

We all know he can't live up to the standards he has claimed. Any attempt to get him to prove his claims will just result in him doubling down on some faulty logs/videos he posted of him NOT doing the thing he claimed he can do. Then proceed to yell at you about not providing data or understanding math or something.

He's literally backed into a corner and spazzing out. I don't know whether I admire or pity his unwillingness to just admit he's fucking wrong.

[Troxx]

No man … not everyone. Just you.

https://c.tenor.com/lNFGOU9RyHkAAAAC/trump-donald-trump.gif

[DeathsSilkyMist]

We all know he can't live up to the standards he has claimed. Any attempt to get him to prove his claims will just result in him doubling down on some faulty logs/videos he posted of him NOT doing the thing he claimed he can do. Then proceed to yell at you about not providing data or understanding math or something.

He's literally backed into a corner and spazzing out. I don't know whether I admire or pity his unwillingness to just admit he's fucking wrong.

Great guy right? Calling people he disagrees with "spazzing out":)

The data:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[cyxthryth]

To answer your questions cyxthryth, it is really quite simple:

Troxx is not the overlord of this forum. He does not get to dictate the precise requirements for how to obtain data, nor does he get to throw out data he disagrees with. He has no evidence to suggest my method would differ from playing in a group. It wouldn't, because the mob stats (HP, AC, Resists, etc.) do not magically change when you group with people.

Troxx did not claim to be overlord, why are you answering that question this way?

He did not dictate how data was obtained, he simply ASKED. Do you know the difference? Why are you unwilling to do what he was willing to do? Other posters have already replied to point out that there is more to killing mobs in a group than "the math of the stats". You may choose to continue to claim that nothing changes when comparing root rotting 1 (or 4, or whatever) mobs vs. a fast-paced, fast-killing DPS group, but your claims would be/will be/will continue to be false for reasons both alluded to and directly stated to you in previous replies on this thread. You may choose to disregard those replies or misconstrue them, but that would seemingly just be you arguing from bad faith - otherwise, why are you doing that?

I have revealed the data, but people are stubbornly refusing to believe it because the only thing they can do is play the semantic game of "if you weren't in a group, then the numbers would change". No evidence has been provided for this claim, and it is up to the people making the claim.

The data that you revealed is not equivalent, see above and also refer to the many posts (direct replies to you). You can continue to disregard the posts where others have clearly outright refuted your attempts-at-points or pointed our your goalpost-pushes, but that would seemingly be you arguing from bad faith. Are you?

Troxx himself is claiming his own data is bad. Should I not listen to him when he says that?

Troxx did not claim "his data is bad". What he ACTUALLY claimed is visible in his post history on this thread; viewable by all. Are you arguing from bad faith?

[PlsNoBan]

He is really making himself look good by calling everybody he disagrees with autistic

Maybe stop displaying textbook autistic behavior and people will stop calling you autistic


https://i.imgur.com/oDqDOw0.gif

[DeathsSilkyMist]

cyxthryth, you are not reading. I quoted Troxx precisely where he said his parser bugged. He has said many times his parser is undervaluing DPS, but he hasn't proven it. I also asked for data from him, and he hasn't complied. I am not sure why I am the only one required to provide evidence here, and in a super specific way that isn't necessary.

He did ask for a very specific method for gathering data, but I do not have to comply with his standards of what he thinks proper data is. You can get data the way I did in my videos, you are incorrect if you think otherwise. He doesn't even have the guts to admit his own method for data gathering was valid, because he is blaming the parser for his lower DPS:)

And PlsNoBan continues to make himself look awful by insulting and trolling, while pretending I am the problem.

The data:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[Toxigen]

Troxx is not the overlord of this forum.

https://i.imgur.com/1w3yQf1.gif

[Troxx]

He's literally backed into a corner and spazzing out. I don't know whether I admire or pity his unwillingness to just admit he's fucking wrong.

https://c.tenor.com/r6laR-hZG4IAAAAM/freak-out-upset.gif

22 pages to go!

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Indeed, Troxx is so locked in the corner because his own data shows his DPS is lower than what he thought. he will continue to troll and claim his data is bad, instead of providing correct data:)

The actual data so far:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[Troxx]

https://c.tenor.com/KBCX5BsM05YAAAAM/tantrum-kid.gif


You’ve made my lunch hour very entertaining. Oh well … back to work.

Keep on flailing muchacho

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Keep digging Troxx lol. I am just using your own data.

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[cyxthryth]

cyxthryth, you are not reading. I quoted Troxx precisely where he said his parser bugged. He has said many times his parser is undervaluing DPS, but he hasn't proven it. I also asked for data from him, and he hasn't complied. I am not sure why I am the only one required to provide evidence here lol.

You aren't REQUIRED to provide data in the format Troxx did, but neither was Troxx. But unlike you he was WILLING to. Just curious exactly what reason do you have to not offer what Troxx is willing to offer?

He did ask for a very specific method for gathering data, but I do not have to comply with his standards of what he thinks proper data is. He doesn't even have the guts to admit his own method for data gathering was valid, because he is blaming the parser for his lower DPS:)

You don't have to - neither did Troxx, but Troxx was willing. *shrug* Guess you opt out of the direct comparison that Troxx was after? If that's the case, concession accepted. :)

And PlsNoBan continues to make himself look awful, while pretending I am the problem.

Why do you think he is making himself look bad? Why do you think others are pretending that you are the problem?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I was also willing to provide data, and I did. Not only that, but my data is superior because it can be cross referenced. You can look at the video and compare the data being generated to the logs, to make sure I didn't change anything. The problem is you are basically trying to argue that because I didn't provide the evidence in the exact manner Troxx asked for, it is not valid. You have ZERO evidence to back up this claim.

We have to take all of Troxx's claims on faith. We have to assume his parses are in the location he claims, we have to assume his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30% and not just the puller, etc. I am not sure why I am the bad guy here. I provided better, more concrete evidence than he did lol. He needs to prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%.

The only concession here is from Troxx, because he admitted multiple times his data is incorrect, and still refuses to provide "correct" data. If that is true, he literally has no data.

The actual data so far:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[PlsNoBan]

Why do you think he is making himself look bad? Why do you think others are pretending that you are the problem?

80 pages of DSM being totally reasonable and making logical points and acting normally then everyone just decided to be mean and call him autistic out of nowhere.

Yep that's exactly what happened

[DeathsSilkyMist]

80 pages of DSM being totally reasonable and making logical points and acting normally then everyone just decided to be mean and call him autistic out of nowhere.

Yep that's exactly what happened

Yes, I am being logical and reasonable. You can check the post history lol. At least 80% of Troxx's posts (and yours) are memes or insults without any contribution to the topic at hand. Sorry you are making yourself look bad.

The data so far:
https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[PlsNoBan]

Yes, I am being logical and reasonable. You can check the post history lol

LOL HE ACTUALLY BELIEVES IT

[DeathsSilkyMist]

LOL HE ACTUALLY BELIEVES IT

I know, it's crazy. You believe you have been posting calm and articulate posts in this thread. Too bad the post history shows otherwise:)

The data so far:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[Troxx]

https://c.tenor.com/aFRVgq1ciMUAAAAd/star-trek-star-trek-tos.gif

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Troxx continues to be mad:)

The data so far:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[Chortles Snortles]

so shm not good pick for 4 man caster group
got it

[DeathsSilkyMist]

so shm not good pick for 4 man caster group
got it

OP picked Shaman over Mage. Got it.

[cyxthryth]

The problem is you are basically trying to argue that because I didn't provide the evidence in the exact manner Troxx asked for, it is not valid. You have ZERO evidence to back up this claim.

I did not say that the "evidence" you provided is not valid, what I ACTUALLY said is that you have opted out of the direct comparison Troxx was interested in (and repeatedly asked you to participate in), which is a fact. You may be upset about it, it doesn't change the facts. You may also post whatever you wish, it will not change the facts.


We have to take all of Troxx's claims on faith. We have to assume his parses are in the location he claims, we have to assume his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30% and not just the puller, etc. I am not sure why I am the bad guy here. I provided better, more concrete evidence than he did lol. He needs to prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%.

I did not call you a bad guy. The fact is you could do what Troxx did and as he (and others) repeatedly requested you to do, but for whatever reason you won't, therefore "The problem is you are basically" conceding. :)

The only concession here is from Troxx, because he admitted multiple times his data is incorrect, and still refuses to provide "correct" data. If that is true, he literally has no data.
The actual data so far:

Not only could you simply participate if you were not opting to concede by refusing to provide data in the format Troxx did, let's be clear that Troxx did not "admit his data is incorrect"; exactly what he HAS stated is visible on his post history in this thread, and equally visible are your posts including and thus exposing multiple misunderstandings/misrepresentations, pointless hypotheticals and raw math which (as has been pointed out to you by many others in this thread) does not translate into reality. Lastly, just as visible are the multiple replies to your posts, which as noted many times, you continue to either misunderstand or misinterpret, or move goalposts. I present the entirety of this thread as my evidence, and you may choose to post whatever you wish, it won't change any of these facts.


OP picked Shaman over Mage. Got it.

OP Picked Shaman over CLERIC. I present the above Quote as further evidence of you misunderstanding and/or misconstruing. Are you arguing from bad faith?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

OP didn't pick a Mage at all, which means the pro-Mage side lost:) Utility (Necromancer) won over a bit more DPS. It's the same reason you would pick a Shaman. A bit of DPS doesn't generally matter much.

I am not sure why you are taking their side cyxthryth. Since you came in hot with some weird take on an older thread, I can only assume you just have a grudge against me.

Just because I didn't provide evidence in the asked for manner, doesn't make it invalid, or lesser than Troxx's. As I said before, my data is actually provable, and his isn't. That makes it superior. I am not saying he is lying. The problem is his own data backs up my points, and his only excuse for that is "my parser isn't working correctly, it either bugged out or undervalued DPS". It is up to him to prove that his parser is indeed lowering his MAGE's DPS by 30%, and not just the puller.

I have not move goalposts at all. We are comparing DPS. I got the data for that. The only goalpost moving being done are the people claiming that data which isn't gathered in Troxx's manner is invalid. That is the semantic game being played because his data is proving my points.

For people interested in the topic at hand, the real data so far:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[plzrelax]

Please make it stop

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Please make it stop

Ask Troxx and friends to stop trolling or provide better evdence, and it will:) I am sorry, but trolling and burying your head in the sand will not change the facts.

For people interested, the data so far:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[Troxx]

I bet if I post this post he will compulsively post again for no other reason than being the last to post

[cyxthryth]

OP didn't pick a Mage at all, which means the pro-Mage side lost:) Utility (Necromancer) won over a bit more DPS

I am not sure why you are taking their side cyxthryth. Since you came in hot with some weird take on an older thread, I can only assume you just have a grudge against me.

I am not taking sides. Just like I did in the previous thread you are referring to, I am ONLY stating facts, and asking questions. I cannot help how you feel about it, and I cannot help that you have repeatedly labeled me as a troll.

Just because I didn't provide evidence in the asked for manner, doesn't make it invalid or lesser than Troxx's.

You can choose to believe whatever you wish, it doesn't change the fact that you have opted out of participating with Troxx in a way that would allow for 1-to-1 comparison. Mind you multiple requests have been made for multiple scenarios, not just one... and none of which you were interested in participating in. I present the entirety of this thread as my evidence, please provide counterevidence?

As I said before, my data is actually provable, and his isn't. That makes it superior. I am not saying he is lying. The problem is his own data backs up my points, and his only excuse for that is "my parser isn't working correctly, it either bugged out or undervalued DPS". It is up to him to prove that his parser is indeed lowering his MAGE's DPS by 30%, and not just the puller.

For people interested in the topic at hand, the real data so far:

"The problem is" that what you have "proved" thus far is that you are unwilling to participate in (any of) the (many) activities that have been requested of you (multiple times by many people) in this thread, and that you are either unable or unwilling to argue from good faith. Among other things - for example you might note I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt to NOT simply call you a troll, unlike how you have replied to me.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I am sorry cyxthrythm, but your arguments are nonsense. I will not be replying to you again in this thread until you stop repeating nonsense. You can check your post history too. You came in hot trying to troll me about a 4 month old thread, while contributing nothing to the discussion. Do not try to play the victim here:)

Your "it's a fact that you didn't provide data the way Troxx asked" rhetoric is not a valid argument. It doesn't matter that it is a fact, because it is also a fact Troxx's data shows 79 DPS. It matches my calculations perfectly, and he can't prove the supposed 30% undervaluing his parser is doing:) That trumps whatever point you are trying to prove.

You can also choose to believe whatever you wish, but Everquest is a video game (computer program), and all of those are created on fixed math and rules. The DPS data I provided is accurate, and matches the predictive math I did earlier. It is also better evidence, as it is in-game videos with logs you can cross reference. It will still be accurate regardless of what you post here, while we have to take it on faith that Troxx's data is accurate, since he himself is claiming his parser isn't working correctly lol.

For the people interested in the real data:
https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[PlsNoBan]

OP didn't pick a Mage at all, which means the pro-Mage side lost:)

OP very obviously chose classes based on preferences or other factors and veered away from what any of us would consider the best min/max choice. The fact that you're actually trying to spin this as support for your stupid bullshit is astounding.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

OP very obviously chose classes based on preferences or other factors and veered away from what any of us would consider the best min/max choice. The fact that you're actually trying to spin this as support for your stupid bullshit is astounding.

Someone's mad the pro Mage team lost. Utility won out over DPS, which is why Necro/Shaman were preferred. It matches my arguments, while disproves yours.

The current data, for people interested:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[cyxthryth]

I am sorry cyxthrythm, but your arguments are nonsense. I will not be replying to you again in this thread until you stop repeating nonsense.

Sounds familiar. :)

Your "it's a fact that you didn't provide data the way Troxx asked" rhetoric is not a valid argument. It doesn't matter that it is a fact, because it is also a fact Troxx's data shows 80 DPS, and he can't prove the 30% difference:) That trumps whatever point you are trying to prove.

I am not making an argument. I am only stating facts, as I have repeatedly stated to you.

What point do you think you have trumped?

You can also choose to believe whatever you wish, but Everquest is a video game (computer program), and all of those are created on fixed math and rules. The DPS data I provided is accurate, and matches the predictive math I did earlier. It is also better evidence, as it is in-game videos with logs you can cross reference. It will still be accurate regardless of what you post here.
For the people interested in the real data:


It is a fact that your data was not collected in the correct environment nor while performing the correct activit(y/ies), you just did whatever you wanted to do instead and wish to present that evidence for comparison. Your evidence of root rotting 1-X mobs does not equate to the reality of being in a fast-paced, fast killing DPS group as a Shaman doing DPS, and this fact as well has been pointed out to you multiple times by multiple people in this thread. Are you arguing from bad faith?

You may continue to post as much as you wish, but the fact is that you have conceded to Troxx's challenge by refusing to participate.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Please ignore the trolls. For people interested in the real data:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[Troxx]

https://c.tenor.com/MCn_GMSSqAsAAAAd/lol-laughing-hysterically.gif

Who does this clown think he’s talking to at this point? Nobody is left in this thread except him and those he can’t possibly convince.

But carry on! 20 pages left to go!

[Toxigen]

i expect this thread to be 100 pages by the next time i read it (monday)

have a good weekend you fkin sperg-o-nauts

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I am not trying to convince you Troxx. At this point you are throwing a tantrum because you are mad. You are disagreeing because you want to be right, not because you care about the topic at hand, or can prove anything.

However, I will keep providing the facts. You would rather hide the truth than provide evidence or admit defeat.

The evidence so far for people who want to learn:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

have a good weekend

You too!

[PlsNoBan]

The evidence so far for people who want to learn

Who the fuck do you think is actually reading this besides you and the people that have been trying to talk sense into you for 80+ pages? Do you REALLY think someone is coming here and reading 80 pages and going "Ya know this DSM guys math is really good and totally changed my mind". Jesus fucking christ my guy. It's starting to get sad.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Who the fuck do you think is actually reading this besides you and the people that have been trying to talk sense into you for 80+ pages? Do you REALLY think someone is coming here and reading 80 pages and going "Ya know this DSM guys math is really good and totally changed my mind". Jesus fucking christ my guy. It's starting to get sad.

People are reading it, and are probably appalled at your behavior lol. You can stop posting any time:) It's never too late to admit you are wrong. Nobody will think less of you.

The real data, for people who want to learn:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[cyxthryth]

I am not trying to convince you Troxx. At this point you are throwing a tantrum because you are mad. You are disagreeing because you want to be right, not because you care about the topic at hand, or can prove anything.

Troxx wants to compare DPS of Shaman & Mage performing in a in a fast-paced, high group... and in response you want to present evidence of Root Rotting 1-X mobs and then proceed to claim your data (of your Shaman the wrong environment, doing the wrong activity) is "better". Your data could plausibly be an accurate representation of a Shaman Root-Rotting 1-X mobs, but to state or otherwise imply that such data would be equivalent to (or anything close to) real captured data of high level fast-paced fast-kills group play seems like you arguing from bad faith. Please do not act like this is news to you, this has been pointed out in multiple posts, from multiple people. You refused to participate, thus you conceded. These facts are self-evident.

However, I will keep providing the facts. You would rather hide the truth than provide evidence or admit defeat.
The evidence so far for people who want to learn:

I'm not sure whether anybody wants or needs to learn how to root rot 1-X mobs on their Shaman from you (I certainly don't)... but what I am sure of is that the evidence you are providing is not what you were requested to provide, nor even close to it - and no matter how many times you copy and paste the same thing it won't change this fact.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Please ignore the trolls. Cyxthryth clearly hasn't even looked at the data, since he thinks it is equivalent to root/rotting. There is no root/rotting in the videos or log evidence.

For the people who want to learn, this is the current data:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[PlsNoBan]

People are reading it, and are probably appalled at your behavior lol.

Yeah I'm sure that's exactly what they're appalled at :rolleyes:


P.S. Nobody is reading it except you and the "trolls" arguing with you. Sorry to break the bad news.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Yeah I'm sure that's exactly what they're appalled at :rolleyes:


P.S. Nobody is reading it except you and the "trolls" arguing with you. Sorry to break the bad news.

Great. You can stop posting then:) You will save face if you do, since the last like 50 posts of yours are just insults and trolls lol. At least 1/4 of your posts are completely worthless and just make you look like an asshole.

For people who want to learn, here is the current data:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[cyxthryth]

People are reading it, and are probably appalled at your behavior lol. You can stop posting any time:)

Why do you presume to assume how others feel about PlsNoBan (or any other poster's) behavior?


It's never too late to admit you are wrong. Nobody will think less of you.

It's never too late to parse your Shaman doing DPS in a high-level, fast-killing group in order to compare parses with a friendly Mage player Troxx, if you're feeling like you'd rather not puss out and concede. A handful of folks might even think more highly of you. :)

The real data, for people who want to learn:

I'm not sure whether anybody wants or needs to learn how to root rot 1-X mobs on their Shaman from you (I certainly don't)... but what I am sure of is that the evidence you are providing is not what you were requested to provide, nor even close to it - and no matter how many times you copy and paste the same thing it won't change this fact.

[PlsNoBan]

Great. You can stop posting then:)

For people who want to learn, here is the current data:

Why not just add your faulty "data" to your signature so you don't have to copy paste it every time? Imagine how many people in other threads you could educate with your excellent data math!

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Why not just add your faulty "data" to your signature so you don't have to copy paste it every time? Imagine how many people in other threads you could educate with your excellent data math!

Continue racking up posts that just make you look bad! It isn't hurting me:) Please ignore the trolls.

For the people who want to learn and see the actual data:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[PlsNoBan]

Continue racking up posts that just make you look bad! It isn't hurting me:) Please ignore the trolls.

For the people who want to learn and see the actual data:

Wanna take a poll? I'll place a LARGE wager that more people believe your posts look bad than mine do. You down?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Wanna take a poll? I'll place a LARGE wager that more people believe your posts look bad than mine do. You down?

Sure. If You, Troxx, etc. don't vote there won't be a single vote against me lol. Your post history is just full of you looking like an asshole for the past 50+ posts.

For the people who want to learn, here is the current data so far:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[Troxx]

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[DeathsSilkyMist]

Troxx says his own data isn't accurate but thinks he can criticize mine.
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I can to it too:)

For people who want to learn, this is the current data:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[PlsNoBan]

If You, Troxx, etc. don't vote there won't be a single vote against me

LOL who is "etc"? Just everyone that disagrees with your dumb points? Way more people than me and Troxx have seen the idiocy of what you've said and continue to say here. You're almost making me feel bad now. If you actually believe this you're so much more mentally ill than I was joking about initially.

Also: Only 1 person has halfway agreed with you this entire thread. How many votes you counting on?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

LOL who is "etc"? Just everyone that disagrees with your dumb points? Way more people than me and Troxx have seen the idiocy of what you've said and continue to say here. You're almost making me feel bad now. If you actually believe this you're so much more mentally ill than I was joking about initially.

You know who etc. are. It's pretty obvious. They are the people posting memes and throwing out insults instead of having a civil conversation. I am sorry you are just an asshole. Anyone curious can see the obvious trolls in the last 10 pages:) If you respectfully disagree with me, there is no need to keep posting nonsense. Just stop and move on.

For the people who want to learn, this is the current data:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[PlsNoBan]

You know who etc. are. It's pretty obvious

Ahh ok. So as I thought "etc" is just an open ended stand in for "anyone that disagrees with me". I guess I should've expected that.

[cyxthryth]

Troxx says his own data isn't accurate but thinks he can criticize mine.
Troxx says his own data isn't accurate but thinks he can criticize mine.
Troxx says his own data isn't accurate but thinks he can criticize mine.
Troxx says his own data isn't accurate but thinks he can criticize mine.
Troxx says his own data isn't accurate but thinks he can criticize mine.

I submit the above Quote as further example of DSM making a false claim, or misunderstanding/misconstruing Troxx's posts. DSM are you arguing from bad faith?

I can to it too:)

You've been doing it for pages and pages while calling others trolls.

For people who want to learn, this is the current data:

Please show data of your Shaman in a high level, fast-paced DPS group as has been requested multiple times by multiple people for those of us interested in learning the capabilities of a Shaman in that role/environment.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Ahh ok. So as I thought "etc" is just an open ended stand in for "anyone that disagrees with me". I guess I should've expected that.

No. There are plenty of people earlier in the thread who disagreed with me respectably and moved on. I do not fault anyone for disagreeing with me. You could join their ranks!

They are not the ones who keep posting nonsense and bloating this thread to 80 pages:) Again, the repeat offenders can be seen in the last 10 pages, you don't have to look far.

If you think you can prove me wrong, do it! So far you have offered 0 evidence in the past 60 posts. A lot of insults and memes though:)

The only counter-evidence provided so far by Troxx proves my data is correct hehe.

For people interested in the real data:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[PlsNoBan]

They are not the ones who keep posting nonsense and bloating this thread to 80 pages:)

https://i.imgur.com/XvlK9yn.png

https://i.imgur.com/Im3m6q8.gif

[cyxthryth]

You know who etc. are. It's pretty obvious. They are the people posting memes and throwing out insults instead of having a civil conversation. I am sorry you are just an asshole. Anyone curious can see the obvious trolls in the last 10 pages:) If you respectfully disagree with me, there is no need to keep posting nonsense. Just stop and move on.

For the people who want to learn, this is the current data:

Please provide evidence of me specifically "posting memes and throwing out insults" which according to you makes me a troll, which you have called me (specifically) multiple times in this thread?

Please extrapolate on the "nonsense" that others (presumably such as myself) are posting?

Are you arguing from bad faith?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Please ignore the trolls. They will stop posting eventually. At this point it is clear they cannot provide any evidence lol.

For people interested in the evidence:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[cyxthryth]

Please ignore the trolls. They will stop posting eventually. At this point it is clear they cannot provide any evidence lol.

For people interested in the evidence:

Please provide evidence of me specifically "posting memes and throwing out insults" which according to you makes me a troll, which you have called me (specifically) multiple times in this thread?

Please extrapolate on the "nonsense" that others (presumably such as myself) are posting?

Are you arguing from bad faith?


Are you backed into a corner arguing from bad faith?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Please ignore the trolls. They will stop posting eventually. They have lost so hard with the data their own side provided that their heads have exploded. It's really sad that 20/23 posts (at least) cyxthryth has posted are nonsense.

For people interested in the data:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[cyxthryth]

Please ignore the trolls. They will stop posting eventually. They have lost so hard with the data their own side provided that their heads have exploded. It's really sad that 20/23 posts (at least) cyxthryth has posted are nonsense.

For people interested in the data:


Please provide evidence of me specifically "posting memes and throwing out insults" which according to you makes me a troll, which you have called me (specifically) multiple times in this thread?


It looks like someone's just tossing around insults (such as calling me a troll) because they are unable to refute the facts I have stated nor able to provide answers to the questions I've asked.

I wonder why that might be? :)

Are you backed into a corner arguing from bad faith?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

People can take a look at your post history and decide who is being the troll:)

For people who are actually interested in the conversation and the data:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[PlsNoBan]

Who looks like the bigger idiot from the posts in this thread: https://strawpoll.com/polls/e6Z2elq8EgN

[cyxthryth]

People can take a look at your post history and decide who is being the troll:)

For people who are actually interested in the conversation and the data:

Of course they can, every poster's post history is viewable by all on these forums. Why do you think that you needed to state that?

Why do you continue to call me a troll? Where is your evidence that I am a troll? I have not posted any memes/gifs and am not personally attacking you, so how/why am I a troll?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Please ignore the trolls. If they wanted to have a real conversation, they would post evidence or discuss what I have shown.

For people interested in the conversation and the actual data:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[PlsNoBan]

Please ignore the trolls. If they wanted to have a real conversation, they would post evidence or discuss what I have shown.

For people interested in the conversation and the actual data:

Bro who the fuck are you talking to? There's like 5 people that read this thread and you've labeled and dismissed all of them as trolls that need to be ignored. I continue to be amazed by your actions. Do you really believe theres just a massive crowd of silent people reading this going "Man thank god DSM copy pasted the same message 57 times so I can be educated and ignore these trolls!"?

[cyxthryth]

Please ignore the trolls. If they wanted to have a real conversation, they would post evidence or discuss what I have shown.

For people interested in the conversation and the actual data:

I am posting in this thread discussing evidence that you have shown: you have made it evident that you think I am a troll, and I am curious as to why that is?

I have not posted memes or gifs, and I am not personally attacking you.

I am only stating facts and asking questions. Why do you believe that makes me a troll?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Please ignore the trolls.

For people who want the data:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[PlsNoBan]

Please ignore the DSM.

For all the hundreds of interested people still reading this thread that want the data:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism

[cyxthryth]

Please ignore the trolls.

For people who want the data:


I want the data of why you think I am a troll. Please provide the relevant/requested data since you are seemingly very concerned with providing data, as you continue to copy/paste it. This may also clear up some confusion from earlier in the thread: you believe you are providing the requested data - but you aren't. Please provide data of my trolling, or please provide data of your Shaman DPSing in a high level fast-paced killing DPS group, as yo have yet to post either of these particular data points for we people who want the data.

I am posting in this thread discussing evidence that you have shown: you have made it evident that you think I am a troll, and I am curious as to why that is?

I have not posted memes or gifs, and I am not personally attacking you.

I am only stating facts and asking questions. Why do you believe that makes me a troll?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Please ignore the trolls.

For people who want the current data:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[PlsNoBan]

Please ignore the DSM.

For all the hundreds of interested people still reading this thread that want the data:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Please ignore the trolls. Big yikes at the people using autism as an insult.

For people who want the current data:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[PlsNoBan]

https://i.imgur.com/AWSB6Pl.png

Holy shit there's even a section on the Autism wiki labeled "DSM"

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Please ignore the trolls.

For people who want the current data:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[cyxthryth]

Please ignore the trolls. Big yikes at the people using autism as an insult.

For people who want the current data:

I want the data of why you think I am a troll. Please provide the relevant/requested data since you are seemingly very concerned with providing data, as you continue to copy/paste it. This may also clear up some confusion from earlier in the thread: you believe you are providing the requested data - but you aren't. Please provide data of my trolling, or please provide data of your Shaman DPSing in a high level fast-paced killing DPS group, as you have yet to post either of these particular data points for we people who want the data.

Please provide the requested/relevant data.

[PlsNoBan]

https://i.imgur.com/ERPTXr2.png

Section 1.3 of the Autism wiki is dedicated to DSM. We've got a celebrity on our forums!

[Allishia]

What is going on here? Lol

[PlsNoBan]

What is going on here? Lol

Run away while you can

[DeathsSilkyMist]

What is going on here? Lol

Basically Troxx posted data that proved himself wrong, had a mental breakdown, and now him and a few other posters are just trolling because they can't admit they are wrong:) The post history is quite clear. I will keep the current data available for people who are interested. The trolls will tire.

For people who want the current data:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[PlsNoBan]

I wonder if DSM's autism will compel him to reply to this post either directly or indirectly by saying something like "ignore the trolls" and "heres my faulty data"

[cyxthryth]

Basically Troxx posted data that proved himself wrong, had a mental breakdown, and now him and a few other posters are just trolling because they can't admit they are wrong:) I will keep the current data available for people who are interested. The trolls will tire.

For people who want the current data:

I can admit I am wrong and am happy to do so if there is a reason, but in this thread you have labelled me a troll and accused me of things I have not done, and you can choose to ignore me but it won't change the fact that I have only stated facts (which you cannot refute) and asked questions (which you are refusing to, or are unable to, answer).

Please provide the requested/relevant evidence, or feel free to continue with your apparent copy/paste concession. :)

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Please ignore the trolls.

For people who want the current data:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[PlsNoBan]

I think we short circuited him boys

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Please ignore the trolls.

For people who want the current data:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[cyxthryth]

Basically Troxx posted data that proved himself wrong, had a mental breakdown, and now him and a few other posters are just trolling because they can't admit they are wrong:) The post history is quite clear. I will keep the current data available for people who are interested. The trolls will tire.

For people who want the current data:

I want the data of why you think I am a troll. Please provide the relevant/requested data since you are seemingly very concerned with providing data, as you continue to copy/paste it. This may also clear up some confusion from earlier in the thread: you believe you are providing the requested data - but you aren't. Please provide data of my trolling, or please provide data of your Shaman DPSing in a high level fast-paced killing DPS group, as you have yet to post either of these particular data points for we people who want the data.

[Allishia]

Ok...have fun..you goof balls lol :rolleyes:

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Ok...have fun..you goof balls lol :rolleyes:

We will:) I'll be happy to have a conversation with anybody who isn't going to just post memes, insults, and obvious trolling.

For people who want the current data:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[cyxthryth]

We will:) I'll be happy to have a conversation with anybody who isn't going to just post meme, insults, and obvious trolling.

For people who want the current data:

Why aren't you conversing with me? You have provided zero evidence of me posting memes, insults or trolling.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Please ignore the trolls. Anybody can look at the post history of people who think they aren't trolling. I wish they could be more clever about it, but they make it too easy.

For people who want the current data:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[PlsNoBan]

Please ignore the trolls.

For people who want the current data:

Does it cause you physical pain IRL to not have the most recent post in this thread?

[cyxthryth]

Please ignore the trolls. Anybody can look at the post history of people who think they aren't trolling. I wish they could be more clever about it, they just make it easy.

For people who want the current data:

I want the data of why you think I am a troll. Please provide the relevant/requested data since you are seemingly very concerned with providing data, as you continue to copy/paste it. This may also clear up some confusion from earlier in the thread: you believe you are providing the requested data - but you aren't. Please provide data of my trolling, or please provide data of your Shaman DPSing in a high level fast-paced killing DPS group, as you have yet to post either of these particular data points for we people who want the data.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Please ignore the trolls. Anybody can look at the post history of people who think they aren't trolling. I wish they could be more clever about it, but they make it too easy.

For people who want the current data:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[PlsNoBan]

Does it cause you physical pain IRL to not have the most recent post in this thread?

Seems like answer is yes

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Please ignore the trolls. Anybody can look at the post history of people who think they aren't trolling. I wish they could be more clever about it, but they make it too easy.

For people who want the current data:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[cyxthryth]

Please ignore the trolls. Anybody can look at the post history of people who think they aren't trolling. I wish they could be more clever about it, but they make it too easy.

For people who want the current data:

I want the data of why you think I am a troll. Please provide the relevant/requested data since you are seemingly very concerned with providing data, as you continue to copy/paste it. This may also clear up some confusion from earlier in the thread: you believe you are providing the requested data - but you aren't. Please provide data of my trolling, or please provide data of your Shaman DPSing in a high level fast-paced killing DPS group, as you have yet to post either of these particular data points for we people who want the data.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Please ignore the trolls. The evidence is in your post history, take a look.

For people who want the current data:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[cyxthryth]

Please ignore the trolls. The evidence is in your post history, take a look.

For people who want the current data:

I want the data of why you think I am a troll. Please provide the relevant/requested data since you are seemingly very concerned with providing data, as you continue to copy/paste it. This may also clear up some confusion from earlier in the thread: you believe you are providing the requested data - but you aren't. Please provide data of my trolling, or please provide data of your Shaman DPSing in a high level fast-paced killing DPS group, as you have yet to post either of these particular data points for we people who want the data.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Please ignore the trolls. Evidence of trolling is in their post history.

For people who want the current data:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[cyxthryth]

Please ignore the trolls. Evidence of trolling is in their post history.

For people who want the current data:

I want the data of why you think I am a troll. Please provide the relevant/requested data since you are seemingly very concerned with providing data, as you continue to copy/paste it. This may also clear up some confusion from earlier in the thread: you believe you are providing the requested data - but you aren't. Please provide data of my trolling, or please provide data of your Shaman DPSing in a high level fast-paced killing DPS group, as you have yet to post either of these particular data points for we people who want the data.

You can claim there is evidence of trolling in my post history, but that does not make it a fact. Please provide evidence?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Please ignore the trolls. Anybody can look at the post history of people who think they aren't trolling. I wish they could be more clever about it, but they make it too easy.

For people who want the current data:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[cyxthryth]

Please ignore the trolls. Anybody can look at the post history of people who think they aren't trolling. I wish they could be more clever about it, but they make it too easy.

For people who want the current data:

You can claim there is evidence of trolling in my post history, but that does not make it a fact. Please provide evidence?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Please ignore the trolls. Anybody can look at the post history of people who think they aren't trolling. I wish they could be more clever about it, but they make it too easy.

For people who want the current data:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[cyxthryth]

Please ignore the trolls. Anybody can look at the post history of people who think they aren't trolling. I wish they could be more clever about it, but they make it too easy.

For people who want the current data:

You can claim there is evidence of trolling in my post history, but that does not make it a fact. Please provide evidence?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Please ignore the trolls. Anybody can look at the post history of people who think they aren't trolling.

For people who want the current data:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[cyxthryth]

Please ignore the trolls. Anybody can look at the post history of people who think they aren't trolling.

For people who want the current data:

You can claim there is evidence of trolling in my post history, but that does not make it a fact. Please provide evidence?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Please ignore the trolls. Anybody can look at the post history of people who think they aren't trolling. I wish they could be more clever about it, but they make it too easy.

For people who want the current data:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[cyxthryth]

Please ignore the trolls. Anybody can look at the post history of people who think they aren't trolling. I wish they could be more clever about it, but they make it too easy.

For people who want the current data:

You can claim there is evidence of trolling in my post history, but that does not make it a fact. Please provide evidence?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Please ignore the trolls. Anybody can look at the post history of people who think they aren't trolling.

For people who want the current data:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[cyxthryth]

Please ignore the trolls. Anybody can look at the post history of people who think they aren't trolling.

For people who want the current data:

You can claim there is evidence of trolling in my post history, but that does not make it a fact. Please provide evidence?

[Troxx]

What is going on here? Lol

DSM is having a full cognitive/emotional meltdown.

It’s actually pretty funny

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Please ignore the trolls. Anybody can look at the post history of people who think they aren't trolling. I wish they could be more clever about it, but they make it too easy.

For people who want the current data:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[Troxx]

I think we short circuited him boys

https://c.tenor.com/F_i7PPRod2MAAAAC/mission-accomplished-success.gif

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Just keep racking up the silly posts. It just discredits you further:)

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[cyxthryth]

Just keep racking up the silly posts. It just discredits you further:)

Please ignore the trolls. Anybody can look at the post history of people who think they aren't trolling.

For people who want the current data:

You can claim there is evidence of trolling in my post history, but that does not make it a fact. Please provide evidence?

[Troxx]

Just keep racking up the silly posts. It just discredits you further:)

https://c.tenor.com/xyiflUWQvOEAAAAd/irony-the-irony.gif

We’re all still waiting for you to join a high dps group and show us what you’re capable of.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

We’re all still waiting for you to join a high dps group and show us what you’re capable of.

We are all still waiting for you to provide any data that you don't claim is inaccurate:) Your current data disproves your points. You should be able to prove your parser is underestimating all DPS by 30%, and not conveniently just the Monk who is pulling. I have hard evidence. You have data you claim isn't accurate. The burden of proof is on you.

For people who want the current data:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[Troxx]

11 pages to go

[cyxthryth]

For people who want the current data:

Please ignore the trolls. Anybody can look at the post history of people who think they aren't trolling.

You can claim there is evidence of trolling in my post history, but that does not make it a fact. Please provide evidence?

[plzrelax]

I think you need a vacation

[cyxthryth]

I think you need a vacation

Username checks out. :p

[Karanis]

Correct lol. I failed to prove it lol, and now I'm in full meltdown mode lol.

[Karanis]

Please ignore me. I am an absolute dumbfuck. I wish I could make coherent points, but unfortunately it's not possible to have a rational conversation with me.

[PlsNoBan]

Every second that passes where DSM isn't the most recent post in the thread you can almost hear his mental anguish over the internet

[Vexenu]

I actually took the time to examine DSM's videos (because it is charitable to entertain the whims of the less fortunate every now and then).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-g8Ywibztg

In this video we see his pet solo killing a seb golem (7500 hp) in approximately 7 minutes. That's 7500hp/420 sec = 17.9 DPS from the pet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XwiGKTuu2E

In this video we see DSM spamming a combination of Ice Strike, Canni and Torpor to kill the seb golem in approximately 3m38s. This is 7500hp/218 sec = 34.4 DPS. Note that this is roughly comparable to the DPS a Shaman can put out simply by spamming the JBB (32.9 DPS).

We combine the pet DPS + his nuke DPS to get a total sustined DPS of 52.3 (50.7 using JBB). It's very respectable for a priest, certainly better than what a Cleric or a non-charming Druid could do. But literally no one has ever argued otherwise. But it still falls far short of what a Mage is going to put out, not to mention the fact that DSM is already down to 40% mana after killing a single mob. What's going to happen to his mana bar when he's in a group chain pulling for two hours? He's not going to be able to keep up, and will be reduced to doing exactly what I said would be his best DPS option: clicking /pet attack and spamming his JBB. In other words, performing as a half-rate Mage doing about 50 sustained DPS.

If anyone wants to perform the Lord's work and make a video to shut DSM up: find a 55+ Paladin and a 60 Mage with focused water staff and Boots of Bladecalling. The Paladin equips a non-damage primary (no ripostes). The Mage casts DS on the Paladin and buffs pet. The Paladin pulls the seb golem and holds agro by spamming only blind and stun over and over (zero damage). The Mage attacks with backstabbing water pet and clickie nukes until the seb golem is dead (simulating his group DPS). The mob will be dead shockingly quickly and we'll all have a good laugh as DSM tries to find fault with the math.

[PlsNoBan]

https://i.imgur.com/c8gmt3M.png

Taking bets on who the 2 votes for me are? I'd say there's like a 99.99% chance it's DSM and DSM's phone.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I actually took the time to examine DSM's videos (because it is charitable to entertain the whims of the less fortunate every now and then).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-g8Ywibztg

In this video we see his pet solo killing a seb golem (7500 hp) in approximately 7 minutes. That's 7500hp/420 sec = 17.9 DPS from the pet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XwiGKTuu2E

In this video we see DSM spamming a combination of Ice Strike, Canni and Torpor to kill the seb golem in approximately 3m38s. This is 7500hp/218 sec = 34.4 DPS. Note that this is roughly comparable to the DPS a Shaman can put out simply by spamming the JBB (32.9 DPS).

We combine the pet DPS + his nuke DPS to get a total sustined DPS of 52.3 (50.7 using JBB). It's very respectable for a priest, certainly better than what a Cleric or a non-charming Druid could do. But literally no one has ever argued otherwise. But it still falls far short of what a Mage is going to put out, not to mention the fact that DSM is already down to 40% mana after killing a single mob. What's going to happen to his mana bar when he's in a group chain pulling for two hours? He's not going to be able to keep up, and will be reduced to doing exactly what I said would be his best DPS option: clicking /pet attack and spamming his JBB. In other words, performing as a half-rate Mage doing about 50 sustained DPS.

If anyone wants to perform the Lord's work and make a video to shut DSM up: find a 55+ Paladin and a 60 Mage with focused water staff and Boots of Bladecalling. The Paladin equips a non-damage primary (no ripostes). The Mage casts DS on the Paladin and buffs pet. The Paladin pulls the seb golem and holds agro by spamming only blind and stun over and over (zero damage). The Mage attacks with backstabbing water pet and clickie nukes until the seb golem is dead (simulating his group DPS). The mob will be dead shockingly quickly and we'll all have a good laugh as DSM tries to find fault with the math.

Thanks for responding instead of just trolling, backhanded comments aside.

The DPS is 35 for the nukes, because it is two casts every 36 seconds. You wouldn't count the entire video length in this specific scenario. You are correct a JBB could indeed output a similar DPS if you wanted to not spend mana. The request was for testing without clickies, so that is what we had to work with.

Mana-wise the Mage is far worse off, they will not be nuking at all after a few more mobs. Once the Mage has drained their mana pool, they can only nuke every 84 seconds because they can only regenerate 200 mana per minute. The test was not using C2. The Shaman can easily keep their mana up due to breaks in mobs, mobs that die a bit slower, etc. Remember I am testing under the assumption that the group is fighting a mob every 36 seconds without break, which is honestly unrealistic.

Also remember this is making the assumption your group is fighting mobs that die in only 36 seconds. A Shaman's DPS increases when a Mob takes longer to die, while a Mage is still bound by their mana.

I would love to see any new evidence! Currently a Mage is only 27ish DPS ahead of a Shaman, which isn't much if your group is killing a mob with 8000 HP every 36 seconds. That means your group has 222 DPS, and an increase of 30 DPS is only reducing kill time by 6 seconds. A Shaman's broader toolkit can help the group out in other ways, which means you are saving time elsewhere, instead of during the kill.

https://i.imgur.com/c8gmt3M.png

Taking bets on who the 2 votes for me are? I'd say there's like a 99.99% chance it's DSM and DSM's phone.

Oh I didn't even know you actually made a poll. Lol looks like someone got angry and voted 14 times with a VPN:) Thanks to the two votes, whoever you are.

[PlsNoBan]

Oh I didn't even know you actually made a poll

I'll put odds of this statement being true at 0.0000001%

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I'll put odds of this statement being true at 0.0000001%

It is much more likely all of those votes are yourself with a VPN and all the people who are already trolling. You have no proof this data is legit lol. You don't need a poll to know how many people are trolling in this thread, they just keep posting to remind us.

[PlsNoBan]

It is much more likely all of those votes are yourself with a VPN and all the people who are already trolling. You have no proof this data is legit lol.

Oh what a surprise. Someone provides data against you and you claim it's illegitimate. Never seen that before :rolleyes:

I legit called it in my head lol. I knew I'd make a poll and it would go against you by a landslide and you'd claim I cheated lol. What a joke.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Oh what a surprise. Someone provides data against you and you claim it's illegitimate. Never seen that before :rolleyes:

Yes. My data on Shaman DPS is video proof with logs that can be cross referenced to the video. Pretty hard to fake.

Troxx's data is a screenshotted parse from a program he claims isn't working.

Your data is from a polling site that can be voted on multiple times with a VPN.

The data sets don't even compare:) But go on thinking your extremely weak data has any merit.

[PlsNoBan]

Yes. My data on Shaman DPS is video proof with logs that can be cross referenced to the video. Pretty hard to fake.

Troxx's data is a screenshotted parse from a program he claims isn't working.

Your data is from a polling site that can be voted on multiple times with a VPN.

The data sets don't even compare:) But go on thinking your extremely weak data has any merit.

Brad McQuaid could resurrect from the dead and conduct the experiment himself with video proof logs and a code dump of all relevant mechanics and you'd find some retarded excuse for why it's not valid cause it disagrees with your point of view. You are legitimately fucked in the head my guy.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Brad McQuaid could resurrect from the dead and conduct the experiment himself with video proof logs and a code dump of all relevant mechanics and you'd find some retarded excuse for why it's not valid cause it disagrees with your point of view. You are legitimately fucked in the head my guy.

Sorry you don't know how data legitimacy works. I can just see you now frantically finding all the VPN's you can to vote:)

[cyxthryth]

I want the data of why you think I am a troll. Please provide the relevant/requested data since you are seemingly very concerned with providing data, as you continue to copy/paste it. This may also clear up some confusion from earlier in the thread: you believe you are providing the requested data - but you aren't. Please provide data of my trolling, or please provide data of your Shaman DPSing in a high level fast-paced killing DPS group, as you have yet to post either of these particular data points for we people who want the data.

[PlsNoBan]

All data that disagrees with me is fake news

[DeathsSilkyMist]

All data that disagrees with me is fake news

At least you finally admit it! Thanks for being honest.

[cyxthryth]

At least you finally admit it! Thanks for being honest.

Neither of which you can do, apparently. :)

I want the data of why you think I am a troll. Please provide the relevant/requested data since you are seemingly very concerned with providing data, as you continue to copy/paste it. This may also clear up some confusion from earlier in the thread: you believe you are providing the requested data - but you aren't. Please provide data of my trolling, or please provide data of your Shaman DPSing in a high level fast-paced killing DPS group, as you have yet to post either of these particular data points for we people who want the data.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Neither of which you can do, apparently. :)

I'll happily admit I am wrong if people bring data instead of trolling. You could do that at any time.

[cyxthryth]

I'll happily admit I am wrong if people bring data instead of trolling. You could do that at any time.

No. You are wrong about me trolling. I am only stating facts and asking questions, as has been stated to you multiple times. I cannot help how you feel about it.

You can provide the requested data/evidence at any time. :)

I want the data of why you think I am a troll. Please provide the relevant/requested data since you are seemingly very concerned with providing data, as you continue to copy/paste it. This may also clear up some confusion from earlier in the thread: you believe you are providing the requested data - but you aren't. Please provide data of my trolling, or please provide data of your Shaman DPSing in a high level fast-paced killing DPS group, as you have yet to post either of these particular data points for we people who want the data.

[Vexenu]

Mana-wise the Mage is far worse off, they will not be nuking at all after a few more mobs. Once the Mage has drained their mana pool, they can only nuke every 84 seconds because they can only regenerate 200 mana per minute. The test was not using C2. The Shaman can easily keep their mana up due to breaks in mobs, mobs that die a bit slower, etc. Remember I am testing under the assumption that the group is fighting a mob every 36 seconds without break, which is honestly unrealistic.

Also remember this is making the assumption your group is fighting mobs that die in only 36 seconds. A Shaman's DPS increases when a Mob takes longer to die, while a Mage is still bound by their mana.


Why do you keep saying that the Mage DPS bound by mana? I've pointed out repeatedly in this thread that the Mage can output enormous DPS indefinitely with just the pet and clickies. With Velious quest armor pants and robe the Mage doesn't even have to expend mana on pet haste and DS. Boots of Bladecalling alone are 35 DPS, and are a fair gear assumption when comparing against a raid-geared Torpor Shaman.

You're also terribly underestimating just how much stronger the Mage pet is compared to the dinky Shaman pet. Shaman pet is level 39, can't backstab and can't quad. Mage pet is level 49 (with water staff), quads, backstabs for 200 and procs a nuke for over 100. A reliably backstabbing, focused 60 water pet by itself is a DPS chainsaw exceeded only by high-end Velious-geared Rogues and Monks. The Shaman pet will also only be hasted to 50% with Celerity, vs. the Mage pet hasted to 65% with Burnout IV and an additional 11% from Muzzle. The DPS difference between the two pets is night and day, which is to be expected considering the class is built entirely around the pet.

Finally, the Mage does not care how long or short the fight is. As long the fight is sufficient duration to get off a single clickie nuke (17 sec for boots) then the DPS is the same, whether the fight is 17 seconds long or 17,000.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Why do you keep saying that the Mage DPS bound by mana? I've pointed out repeatedly in this thread that the Mage can output enormous DPS indefinitely with just the pet and clickies. With Velious quest armor pants and robe the Mage doesn't even have to expend mana on pet haste and DS. Boots of Bladecalling alone are 35 DPS, and are a fair gear assumption when comparing against a raid-geared Torpor Shaman.

You're also terribly underestimating just how much stronger the Mage pet is compared to the dinky Shaman pet. Shaman pet is level 39, can't backstab and can't quad. Mage pet is level 49 (with water staff), quads, backstabs for 200 and procs a nuke for over 100. A reliably backstabbing, focused 60 water pet by itself is a DPS chainsaw exceeded only by high-end Velious-geared Rogues and Monks. The Shaman pet will also only be hasted to 50% with Celerity, vs. the Mage pet hasted to 65% with Burnout IV and an additional 11% from Muzzle. The DPS difference between the two pets is night and day, which is to be expected considering the class is built entirely around the pet.

Finally, the Mage does not care how long or short the fight is. As long the fight is sufficient duration to get off a single clickie nuke (17 sec for boots) then the DPS is the same, whether the fight is 17 seconds long or 17,000.

"Why do you keep saying that the Mage DPS bound by mana?" The reason is simple. Troxx asked for a parse without clickies lol.

The mage does care about fight length, because that depends how often they can nuke, both with and without clickies.

Let's talk about clickies:

Boots of the Bladecaller can only be clicked once if the mob is dying in less than 34 seconds. If the mobs are dying in 30 seconds, JBB has a DPS of 26, while Boots of the Bladecaller only has 20 DPS. If you want to use Burnt Wood Staff, that is 22 DPS. So a Shaman can out-clickie a Mage in a shorter fight.

A mage is doing 56 (Pet) + 22 (Burnt Wood Staff) + 4 (DS) = 82 DPS on a single target if all they do is spam clickies in 30 second fights.

A Shaman is doing 26 (JBB) + 18 (Pet) = 44 DPS on a single target if all they do is spam clickies in 30 second fights.

If a Shaman needs to increase DPS more, they could do a single cast of Winters Roar after the clickies (JBB is 24 seconds, Winters roar is 4 seconds for a total of 28) to increase their DPS by 9, so it would go back to roughly 52 DPS. The gap is still around 30 DPS, and the group would need to chain pull 20 mobs back to back for the Shaman to run out of mana. That is not really possible in Crypt or a lot of other higher level areas.

And remember, if your group is able to chain pull and kill mobs in Sebilis, the Shaman can also root/rot with Epic. A Shaman can Single Bane + Epic DoT 2 mobs for 68 DPS while the group is churning through other mobs. With pet that puts them up to 84 DPS. If a group can chain pull that many mobs back to back, there are plenty to root/rot hehe. The mana cost for that would be 1050 mana, and a Shaman can get that back in roughly 70 seconds. The group can then finish the rooted mobs off as they get around to it, or let the Shaman continue to DPS independently and kill them that way. If you really wanted efficiency in a group, you wouldn't simply chain pull single mobs. You could kill multiple mobs at the same time instead, but a Mage can't really do that since they are basically a single target damage class.

[PlsNoBan]

"Why do you keep saying that the Mage DPS bound by mana?" The reason is simple. Troxx asked for a parse without clickies lol.

The mage does care about fight length, because that depends how often they can nuke, both with and without clickies.

Let's talk about clickies:

Boots of the Bladecaller can only be clicked once if the mob is dying in less than 34 seconds. If the mobs are dying in 30 seconds, JBB has a DPS of 26, while Boots of the Bladecaller only has 20 DPS. If you want to use Burnt Wood Staff, that is 22 DPS. So a Shaman can out-clickie a Mage in a shorter fight.

A mage is doing 56 (Pet) + 22 (Burnt Wood Staff) + 4 (DS) = 82 DPS on a single target if all they do is spam clickies in 30 second fights.

A Shaman is doing 26 (JBB) + 18 (Pet) = 44 DPS on a single target if all they do is spam clickies in 30 second fights.

If a Shaman needs to increase DPS more, they could do a single cast of Winters Roar after the clickies (JBB is 24 seconds, Winters roar is 4 seconds for a total of 28) to increase their DPS by 9, so it would go back to roughly 52 DPS. The gap is still around 30 DPS, and the group would need to chain pull 20 mobs back to back for the Shaman to run out of mana. That is not really possible in Crypt or a lot of other higher level areas.

And remember, if your group is able to chain pull and kill mobs in Sebilis, the Shaman can also root/rot with Epic. A Shaman can Single Bane + Epic DoT 2 mobs for 68 DPS while the group is churning through other mobs. With pet that puts them up to 84 DPS. If a group can chain pull that many mobs back to back, there are plenty to root/rot hehe. The mana cost for that would be 1050 mana, and a Shaman can get that back in roughly 70 seconds. The group can then finish the rooted mobs off as they get around to it, or let the Shaman continue to DPS independently and kill them that way. If you really wanted efficiency in a group, you wouldn't simply chain pull single mobs. You could kill multiple mobs at the same time instead, but a Mage can't really do that since they are basically a single target damage class.

I think ur erection for the shaman class has persisted for more than 4 hours. Time to call a doctor.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I think ur erection for the shaman class has persisted for more than 4 hours. Time to call a doctor.

It's just facts. Sorry you haven't brought any.

[Vexenu]

A mage is doing 56 (Pet) + 22 (Burnt Wood Staff) + 4 (DS) = 82 DPS on a single target if all they do is spam clickies in 30 second fights.

A Shaman is doing 26 (JBB) + 18 (Pet) = 44 DPS on a single target if all they do is spam clickies in 30 second fights.



I think you're heavily underestimating the damage of both the Mage pet and DS here, and the Mage is still nearly double the Shaman DPS. That really says it all, IMO.

If someone is able to perform the test I suggested in this post (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497823&postcount=892), I think it will be very apparent how much more DPS the Mage is actually doing.

Proposed test:
If anyone wants to perform the Lord's work and make a video to shut DSM up: find a 55+ Paladin and a 60 Mage with focused water staff and Boots of Bladecalling. The Paladin equips a non-damage primary (no ripostes). The Mage casts DS on the Paladin and buffs pet. The Paladin pulls the seb golem and holds agro by spamming only blind and stun over and over (zero damage). The Mage attacks with backstabbing water pet and clickie nukes until the seb golem is dead (simulating his group DPS). The mob will be dead shockingly quickly and we'll all have a good laugh as DSM tries to find fault with the math.

[Karanis]

Lol looks like someone got angry and voted 14 times with a VPN:)

Riiiight. That's what happened.



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[DeathsSilkyMist]

I think you're heavily underestimating the damage of both the Mage pet and DS here, and the Mage is still nearly double the Shaman DPS. That really says it all, IMO.

If someone is able to perform the test I suggested in this post (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497823&postcount=892), I think it will be very apparent how much more DPS the Mage is actually doing.

Proposed test:

In the videos I posted I showed the average hits that got through, unslowed. The problem with DS is it loses a LOT of DPS if you want to talk about mobs dying in 30 seconds. The mobs just don't get a lot of hits off hehe. A Mage would have only gotten 3.7 DPS from my video.

If you want to say I am underestimating Mage pet DPS, you need to bring logs. Troxx's logs show a level 60 Water pet unfocused with Enchanter haste doing 56 DPS on average. I would love to see more Mage data, but people are trolling instead of spending time gathering it.

His extended grouping parse only showed 40 DPS for his pet, which probably includes pet control time, but I will be generous and keep the 56 DPS number. The other Mage who posted said her Epic Pet was doing 47 DPS on Stanos, and 45-50 on Vindi (not sure if this was an Epic pet or not). From all the data given, Mage Pet average DPS is realistically somewhere around 45-55 DPS. We would need more data to solidify the exact number.

As I keep saying, the difference in DPS matters. Saying "double" sounds nice, but it's only a difference of 30. That is saving you 6 seconds per kill hehe. If you are killing a mob with 8000 HP in 36 seconds, your group has a DPS of 222. Changing that to 192 increases the time to 42 seconds. However, a Shaman can do other things to help the group, so they can help save time in other ways.

[Chortles Snortles]

(lol)

[Bardp1999]

Stop being a sore loser.

Honestly it depends on the camp, which is why 3x Enchanters isn't always best.

Shaman/Necro/Enchanter/Cleric would be better at Fungi King.

Mage/Enchanter/Enchanter/Cleric would be better at Juggs due to CoTH.

Shaman/Enchanter/Enchanter/Cleric would be better at Ixiblat Fer since you need Malo to get him slowed.

Enchanter/Enchanter/Enchanter/Cleric would be better in Chardok, and could swap an Enchanter for a Necro since there are plenty of undead. Mage if you were doing Royals for CoTH.

3x enchanter and cleric would still be better at every camp you just listed, and probaly not by a little bit. Shaman slow is 75% and enchanter slow is 70%

[Chortles Snortles]

probaly

[PlsNoBan]

This is the longest DSM hasn't posted in days. I hope he's okay.

[Troxx]

If you want to say I am underestimating Mage pet DPS, you need to bring logs. Troxx's logs show a level 60 Water pet unfocused with Enchanter haste doing...

Whoever said I was using enchanter haste?? Why would I use enchanter haste when I can give my own pet 60str/65% haste in a single buff?

Please stop making stuff up or putting words in other people’s mouths.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Burnout_IV

Spell cast

https://wiki.project1999.com/Muzzle_of_Mardu

Worn

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Whoever said I was using enchanter haste?? Why would I use enchanter haste when I can give my own pet 60str/65% haste in a single buff?

Please stop making stuff up or putting words in other people’s mouths.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Burnout_IV

Spell cast

https://wiki.project1999.com/Muzzle_of_Mardu

Worn

Lol stop being so defensive. I am not putting words in your mouth or making stuff up, I just made a simple mistake. At the end of the day the haste percentage was the best it can be for your pet. My point was simply that your pet was already buffed with haste, so you aren't going to find more pet DPS somewhere. It would have actually been better if your pet was Enchanter hasted, because then you could get more DPS on future parses if you used Burnout IV instead.

3x enchanter and cleric would still be better at every camp you just listed, and probaly not by a little bit. Shaman slow is 75% and enchanter slow is 70%

The reason why you bring a Shaman to Ixiblat and Fungi King is because the mobs have high resists. You want the Malo -> Malosini to get the slow landed. This is especially true on Ixiblat. It is quite tough to land slow. Could you do it with 3x Enchanters? I am sure. But you are increasing the time the mob is unslowed, which increases the risk of something bad happening like your pet getting chewed up, or an Enchanter gaining agro due to slowing too much.

[Ripqozko]

Lol stop being so defensive. I am not putting words in your mouth or making stuff up, I just made a simple mistake. At the end of the day the haste percentage was the best it can be for your pet. My point was simply that your pet was already buffed with haste, so you aren't going to find more pet DPS somewhere. It would have actually been better if your pet was Enchanter hasted, because then you could get more DPS on future parses if you used Burnout IV instead.



The reason why you bring a Shaman to Ixiblat and Fungi King is because the mobs have high resists. You want the Malo -> Malosini to get the slow landed. This is especially true on Ixiblat. It is quite tough to land slow. Could you do it with 3x Enchanters? I am sure. But you are increasing the time the mob is unslowed, which increases the risk of something bad happening like your pet getting chewed up, or an Enchanter gaining agro due to slowing too much.

Mage’s have mala/sini
Edit: there Pets can use swarmcaller, we use to slow vulak that way, yours can’t.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Mage’s have mala/sini
Edit: there Pets can use swarmcaller, we use to slow vulak that way, yours can’t.

Shaman Malo is better than Mala, and they can Slow way more often than swarmcaller proc. No need to waste a swarmcaller on Ixi.

That strategy is much better for raid bosses because you have multiple pets with swarmcaller.

And a Shaman can also use https://wiki.project1999.com/Di%60zok_Oracle_Shillelagh , so they can attempt to proc slow in-between slow casts (you also do this on Vulak hehe).

The Shaman is debuffing better and slowing more since they can proc AND cast.

[PlsNoBan]

Who the fuck cares about Ixi? Also with 3 charm pets slow almost doesn't even matter. Charm pets are tanky AF at higher levels and everything is gonna die so fast it's barely worth the mana to cast. Just another grasp at straws attempt to over value shaman utility.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Who the fuck cares about Ixi? Also with 3 charm pets slow almost doesn't even matter. Charm pets are tanky AF at higher levels and everything is gonna die so fast it's barely worth the mana to cast. Just another grasp at straws attempt to over value shaman utility.

Someones still mad:) What mobs are your Enchanters going to Charm for Ixi?

[Troxx]

7 more pages!

[PlsNoBan]

What mobs are your Enchanters going to Charm for Ixi?

Who the fuck cares about Ixi?

[PatChapp]

Slowing is very important with charm pets,as the enchanter will get summoned on breaks. Getting summoned puts you into the melee range of the monster. That said enchanter slow is more than adequate, even though shaman slow is much better.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Yup, no one cares about Ixi or Fungi King. They drop poop items obviously. /sarcasm :)

PlsNoBan prefers to chain Mistmoore pond mobs with his Mage. Much better!

[PlsNoBan]

Slowing is very important with charm pets,as the enchanter will get summoned on breaks. Getting summoned puts you into the melee range of the monster. That said enchanter slow is more than adequate, even though shaman slow is much better.

1: Enchanter doesn't get summoned when there's 2 other charm pets significantly higher on the threat table. Unless all 3 break at exactly the same time which is extremely unlikely but in that event shaman slow probably isn't the make or break that saves you anyway

2: Shaman slow is only 5% better than enc. Don't know if that qualifies as "much better" but that's a matter of opinion I suppose.

[PatChapp]

5% is much better. Depending where you are hunting,the pet will be summoning the enchanter.

[PlsNoBan]

5% is much better. Depending where you are hunting,the pet will be summoning the enchanter.

The pet may summon sure. But I assume you aren't slowing your pet so not sure how that's relevant?

I wouldn't classify 5% as much better but I respect your opinion

[Troxx]

Until I had unlimited torpor mana I frequently chose to use Togors insects (caps at 70%) to save 75 mana per cast. The cast time was slower (annoying), but it was perfectly good.

70% vs 75% isn’t that big a deal for most content. More important is the duration of turgid vs Togors

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Until I had unlimited torpor mana I frequently chose to use Togors insects (caps at 70%) to save 75 mana per cast. The cast time was slower (annoying), but it was perfectly good.

70% vs 75% isn’t that big a deal for most content. More important is the duration of turgid vs Togors

Exactly. Having an extra 3 minutes on your slow is huge. The 5% still helps when your Enchanter is getting summoned and they are in paper armor, and on tough mobs that hit hard.

The pet may summon sure. But I assume you aren't slowing your pet so not sure how that's relevant?

I wouldn't classify 5% as much better but I respect your opinion

You would slow the pet in an emergency during a charm break. Better to have a gimped pet for a few minutes than die. That is another nice thing about a Shaman, we get an AoE slow. As an example, if you are using Dictate to charm a pet, you won't be able to mez/stun the mob if it is level 56-58.

[PatChapp]

When the pet summons you,you get into melee range of the mob being killed. Instant agro from it since pets can't hold agro vs a player on p99

[DeathsSilkyMist]

When the pet summons you,you get into melee range of the mob being killed. Instant agro from it since pets can't hold agro vs a player on p99

Very good point. Mobs always prefer players over pets, even if the mob is rooted and the pet is closer.

[Troxx]

Exactly. Having an extra 3 minutes on your slow is huge. The 5% still helps when your Enchanter is getting summoned and they are in paper armor, and on tough mobs that hit hard.

3 minutes is huge when this theoretical group already has 2 hasted charm pets?

I think not. Would be happy for you to provide me the “math” behind anything a group will be doing that takes longer than 3 minutes for a single mob to die with 2 hasted charm pets.

I am patiently waiting.

TLDR: 5% more slow is important but doing 40-60% (actually more) less personal dps and not being able to give the charmed pets 11% more haste is not.

Any competent cleric paying attention can keep the enchanter alive. I’ve done it about a thousand times or more on my 59 cleric with a single charm class. Having extra pets means the charming class can just back up 2 steps and only eat the dmg from their own pet without aggro on the main mob. And IF the cleric can’t keep a charm class alive through a single break … then what the F are we even talking about? Better to have no charms?

This isn’t rocket surgery.

[Troxx]

From page 3 of this worthless thread. It still holds true

Cleric and ench duo are already wickedly OP. Add a second ench for 2nd pet and backup cc and it’s that much easier. So yeah 3/4 are spoken for.

Remaining options:

-druid (lol no)

-wizard (lol even more no)

-shaman: gives you redundant slows you don’t need, heals you won’t need, buffs you won’t need, a pet that sucks and malo (value added). Dots will not add much as with 2 ench pets nothing is alive long. Malo is good but shamans don’t have a monopoly on this line. Shaman isn’t a terrible choice, but you’re bringing along a class that can’t contribute as much as other options

-mage: strong pet for additional dps and backup tanking (value added), malo (value added), mod rods (value added), coth (value added for both mobility and aggro wipe mechanics), pet haste masks (value added as pets are literally all your dps) … and when all else is covered and nothing else needed, nifty nuke burn potential.

-necro: decent pet choices for additional dps and backup tanking (value added), twitches (value added), additional cc (value added root and screaming), backup heals (probably not needed but value added), FD (value added and opens up some content), snare (meh but value added?), backup rez (value added) … and when all else is covered they can burn extra mana nuking stuff down or just twitching.


So yeah in this theoretical best of the best it’s either
-clr/ench/ench/mage if you don’t need a FD split
-clr/ench/ench/nec if FD split would be useful or at a tougher camp that may benefit from the expanded necro tool kit (but you lose malo)

Shaman are a top notch class but compared to mage or necro … relative dead weight only contributing redundant bs you don’t really need. A competent cleric can easily manage 2 charming enchanters cross covering cc … and healing a charm pet is so laughably easy you don’t need slow … and when you do enchanters can do that too last I checked.


I fully expect a literal tidal wave of dissenting responses from DSM but I call em like I see em.

[PlsNoBan]

From page 3 of this worthless thread. It still holds true

Yeah it's been fairly obvious what the correct answer was since the first page or two. It's pretty much been 5-6 people arguing with 1 moron about a dumb viewpoint of which he's the only person on the planet to hold for 90+ pages. My only disagreement (and you may agree but it's not clear from your post) is I still hold that a 3rd enchanter beats out any other option for the 4th slot. Outside of a 3rd enc I agree with you completely.

[Vivitron]

What mobs are your Enchanters going to Charm for Ixi?

Slixin Klex is a fine pet (standard level 50 mob). Unfortunately the other two enchanters will probably getting relatively weak level 45ish mobs.

[Troxx]

Yeah it's been fairly obvious what the correct answer was since the first page or two. It's pretty much been 5-6 people arguing with 1 moron about a dumb viewpoint of which he's the only person on the planet to hold for 90+ pages. My only disagreement (and you may agree but it's not clear from your post) is I still hold that a 3rd enchanter beats out any other option for the 4th slot. Outside of a 3rd enc I agree with you completely.

Agreed. I was right then and now.

Shamans are an OP class. Stellar at solo duo and trio … but this was a thought experiment. In any situation outside of this thread shaman is always an obvious choice. They are that good!!

But for this specific thing thought experiment … necro or mage wins.

My personal preference is necro cause damn they are OP when well played and now their pets are so much closer to mage.

But it is:
Cleric
Ench
Ench


For final spots it is
Another ench
A mage
A necro

Mediocre choice:
Shaman

Bad is bad:
Druid or wiz

[Troxx]

6 more pages to go!

[Toxigen]

I'd take a druid over shaman if you were doing a dungeon w/ animals to charm.

[Ripqozko]

I'd take a druid over shaman if you were doing a dungeon w/ animals to charm.

id take pretty much any char that can get exp in the team 40+ vs DSM, can you imagine grinding for hours with him, yikes.

[Toxigen]

id take pretty much any char that can get exp in the team 40+ vs DSM, can you imagine grinding for hours with him, yikes.

sorry you dont got 90+ pages of insanity, hope this helps

[Troxx]

5 pages to go!

[Chortles Snortles]

so, not shaman - got it
(lol)

[DeathsSilkyMist]

so, not shaman - got it
(lol)

OP picked Shaman over Mage, got it:)

id take pretty much any char that can get exp in the team 40+ vs DSM, can you imagine grinding for hours with him, yikes.

I think people would have more reservation playing with the trolls who made the thread 90+ pages because they throw temper tantrums when they lose instead of just accepting it. Imagine listening to Ripqozko linking his bad warder loot for hours, yelling that his loot is superior because it is a participation trophy:)

As for the other trolls, imagine you are having a normal conversation in a group, and when they disagree with something you say they just start yelling you are autistic. That sounds pleasant for sure. People can check the post history to see who those creative people are. The only insults from me are in response to such nonsense. I never started it, and the trolls can't hide those facts.

[PlsNoBan]

Autism lol

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Autism lol

Thanks for proving my point.

Here is the worst part. Let's say you are correct as a hypothetical. That means at least 5 grown men grouped up to insult and troll an autistic person, and they still lost the debate. OP's group didn't pick a Mage, and you still haven't provided evidence showing higher Mage DPS. Someone looks pretty silly right now:)

[PlsNoBan]

Thanks for proving my point.

Here is the worst part. Let's say you are correct as a hypothetical. That means at least 5 grown men grouped up to insult and troll an autistic person, and they still lost the debate. OP's group didn't pick a Mage, and you still haven't provided evidence showing higher Mage DPS. Someone looks pretty silly right now:)

Here's some math for ya

What OP picked =/= The best min/max choice

You keep pointing out what OP picked as evidence for your trash argument. What he/she picked is irrelevant to what the best choice is from a min/max perspective. You realize that right?

[PlsNoBan]

It's like someone asking what the fastest car is and we all argue about it for 95 pages and you say it's a Toyota Corolla in spite of common sense and OP buys a Toyota Corolla. Does that make a Toyota Corolla the fastest car?

Don't think that's how reality works fella

[DeathsSilkyMist]

It's like someone asking what the fastest car is and we all argue about it for 95 pages and you say it's a Toyota Corolla in spite of common sense and OP buys a Toyota Corolla. Does that make a Toyota Corolla the fastest car?

Don't think that's how reality works fella

It's up to you to prove what you think is the Min/Max group comp is. So far your post history is just bad trolling against someone you think is autistic. Yikes.

You're argument is basically "I think this car is faster because you are autistic".

Come back with proof that Mage would be slotted in to any Min/Max comp that doesn't need CoTH:)

[PlsNoBan]

It's up to you to prove what you think is the Min/Max group comp is. So far your post history is just bad trolling against someone you think is autistic. Yikes.

You're argument is basically "I think this car is faster because you are autistic".

Come back with proof that Mage would be slotted in to any Min/Max comp that doesn't need CoTH:)

You realize the absurdity of making the claim that a Toyota Corolla is the fastest car then demanding people provide evidence otherwise right? Sometimes things are just obvious and don't require extended testing and data to prove otherwise. Especially when you're asking people that don't own a Corolla or any of the alternative cars to test them?

I feel comfortable claiming that a stock Bugatti Veyron is faster than a stock Toyota Corolla and dismissing any idiot that demands data to prove it.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

OP picked Shaman over Mage, got it:)



I think people would have more reservation playing with the trolls who made the thread 90+ pages because they throw temper tantrums when they lose instead of just accepting it. Imagine listening to Ripqozko linking his bad warder loot for hours, yelling that his loot is superior because it is a participation trophy:)

As for the other trolls, imagine you are having a normal conversation in a group, and when they disagree with something you say they just start yelling you are autistic. That sounds pleasant for sure. People can check the post history to see who those creative people are. The only insults from me are in response to such nonsense. I never started it, and the trolls can't hide those facts.

It's up to you to prove what you think is the Min/Max group comp is. So far your post history is just bad trolling against someone you think is autistic. Yikes.

You're argument is basically "I think this car is faster because you are autistic".

Come back with proof that Mage would be slotted in to any Min/Max comp that doesn't need CoTH:)

[PlsNoBan]

That's what I thought :rolleyes:

[Raj]

From much earlier this month... :cool:

66 pages of Ca. 1999-2001 arguments still waging on with the greatest of passions!

Cool and normal stuff my friends! Let's see if we can get to 100+ pages by the end of the month. :cool:

[Karanis]

the trolls who made the thread 90+ pages

https://i.imgur.com/XvlK9yn.png

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[DeathsSilkyMist]

It's sad, I know. Just take a look at the post history of Troxx, PlsNoBan, Karanis, Toxigen, Cyxthryth, and Ripqozko. 80% or more if it is RnF insults and trolling. No genuine participation. Literally for the last 100 posts of PlsNoBan, he is averaging saying the word "autistic" or "autism" in 1 out of every 3 posts as a derogatory remark. I was simply keeping the current state of the conversation going by reposting it after the troll, so it wouldn't get lost.

The thread would be roughly 500 posts smaller without the need to have to deal with the 200+ troll posts.

[Chortles Snortles]

so not shaman, got it
(lol)

[DeathsSilkyMist]

so not shaman, got it
(lol)

OP picked Shaman, got it (lol).

[Ripqozko]

It's sad, I know. Just take a look at the post history of Troxx, PlsNoBan, Karanis, Toxigen, Cyxthryth, and Ripqozko. 80% or more if it is RnF insults and trolling. No genuine participation. Literally for the last 100 posts of PlsNoBan, he is averaging saying the word "autistic" or "autism" in 1 out of every 3 posts as a derogatory remark. I was simply keeping the current state of the conversation going by reposting it after the troll, so it wouldn't get lost.

The thread would be roughly 500 posts smaller without the need to have to deal with the 200+ troll posts.

Imagine saying this when ya spammed the same post for like 10 pages, you don't have to deal with trolls, you are a troll and triple everyone's post count

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Imagine saying this when ya spammed the same post for like 10 pages, you don't have to deal with trolls, you are a troll and triple everyone's post count

The only responses to my post were insults or memes. The conversation had not been progressed at all, and the trolls were simply trying to drown out information that proved them wrong. The post history is clear lol.

Reposting the information in response to the troll posts is the only way to prevent the conversation from getting derailed by trolls. It worked too, since Vexenu and others started the conversation up again in earnest, despite the trolls best efforts for shutting down the conversation completely (this includes yourself).

Sorry you got bad data, bad strategies at suppressing information, and bad warder loot.

[Karanis]

Copy pastes the same math for 20 pages.

The post history is clear lol.

True.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Copy pastes the same math for 20 pages.

True.

Only necessary due to the copy/pasting the same insult of "autism", random trolls, or random gifs. The post history is indeed clear. I did not start it, and the trolls are quite obvious lol (including yourself). PlsNoBan alone is currently averaging saying the word "autistic" or "autism" in 1 out of every 3 posts as a derogatory remark for his last 100 posts. Basically half of all the posts he has ever done here.

If you wanted to try and save face, you could have been clever. But now Troxx, PlsNoBan, Karanis, Toxigen, Cyxthryth, and Ripqozko have post histories full of nonsense. Anybody who wants to know who the trolls are can easily find out.

[Chortles Snortles]

so anything but shaman
got it (lol)

[DeathsSilkyMist]

so anything but shaman
got it (lol)

Still no Mages in OPs party. They picked a Shaman. This is such a bad troll lol.

[PlsNoBan]

My Toyota is faster than ur Bugatti. Let me post about it 300+ times and post irrelevant data to prove my point and demand other people post data that they have no way to obtain to prove something that's completely obvious to literally everyone

(Autism lol)

[Gloomlord]

Why are we still here? Just to suffer?

[Dogz_SS]

Imagine thinking Shaman is a better damage dealing class than magician.

[Toxigen]

Imagine thinking Shaman is a better damage dealing class than magician.

[Troxx]

3 more pages!

[Troxx]

Imagine thinking Shaman is a better damage dealing class than magician.

You’d be shocked and appalled what some people think. The shaman would have to work fairly hard to keep up with the mage pet over time by itself fight after fight after fight.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Imagine thinking Shaman is a better damage dealing class than magician.

Imagine looking at DPS data on a video game, then flying into a rage and posting insults/memes for 200+ posts:) That isn't directed at you specifically, but others such as Troxx.

As I have always said, from levels 1-59 Mage will deal more damage than a Shaman consistently due to the Shaman not having Torpor.

Current data shows a level 60 Mage's average DPS is around 80.

A Torpor Shaman can output 55 DPS during chain pulls, and 84 DPS anytime they can root/rot 2 mobs with Epic DoT and Bane. They could do this with summoning mobs too, you just have the pet and yourself tank the mobs with slow.

So yes, Shaman can indeed keep up with mage DPS depending on the situation, and Mage DPS is about 28 DPS higher than a Shaman in situations without root/rot. At level 60, 28 DPS is basically never worth it. If you are chain pulling mobs in Sebilis at 60 for XP, the Shaman can root/rot, so you aren't losing any DPS there. If you are killing Ixiblat Fer for a chance at Cloak of Flames, the 30 second faster kill speed doesn't matter. You want the better Slow/Malo from the Shaman to guarantee you win the fight.

EDIT: At 55+ a Shaman can do 45 DPS with JBB and Spirit of the Howler hehe, no mana spent, no Torpor needed. This level 56 Mage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhm9K-ePJAk is doing around 50 DPS with damage shield. So actually even before Torpor a Shaman can give Mages a run for their money.

[Chortles Snortles]

g-g-g-g-guys just get your shm to 60 and torpor
(lol)

[DeathsSilkyMist]

g-g-g-g-guys just get your shm to 60 and torpor
(lol)

g-g-g-g-guys just get your Mage their Epic so your pet can deal more DPS (lol). Torpor is not difficult to get for anyone who has the time/dedication to get any character to 60. You can get a large portion of the platinum for it if you just kill guards while xping from levels 25-55 hehe. GL farming 800k or more for the Mage Epic.

OP never specified the level range, so you need to include level 60 farming with the group. If all you want to do is play a static group to level 50 and stop, then class combination doesn't matter. Just having 4 players will make that experience fly by. You simply need to decide whether you want a Mage to help you level a bit faster in the low levels, at the cost of them being unnecessary in the end hehe.

[PlsNoBan]

My Toyota is faster than ur Bugatti. Let me post about it 300+ times and post irrelevant data to prove my point and demand other people post data that they have no way to obtain to prove something that's completely obvious to literally everyone

(Autism lol)

[DeathsSilkyMist]

PlsNoBan is still averaging the word "autism" or "autistic" in 1 of every 3 posts for the last 100 as a derogatory remark. He is also averaging 0 posts per 233 (his current post count) for actual data to back up any of his claims:)

[Gloomlord]

Whatever your affliction is, DSM: you are worthy of no respect.

The only reason people are posting here anymore is because they know you'll have the nerve to claim a "victory" in your mind when people eventually get exhausted with your pathetic self.

I mean, I don't really agree with teaming up on someone for holding a dissenting view, but when you're this obstinate and arrogant in your views, and people are even asking you to provide objective data and you refuse, then you really deserve no sympathy whatsoever.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Whatever your affliction is, DSM: you are worthy of no respect.

The only reason people are posting here anymore is because they know you'll have the nerve to claim a "victory" in your mind when people eventually get exhausted with your pathetic self.

I mean, I don't really agree with teaming up on someone for holding a dissenting view, but when you're this obstinate and arrogant in your views, and people are even asking you to provide objective data and you refuse, then you really deserve no sympathy whatsoever.

Why am I the arrogant one? I posted plenty of objective evidence to support my claims. It just keeps getting lost in the trolling, which is what the trolls want hehe. I would happily accept I am wrong if people can provide counter-evidence. I have done so in the past.

The only arrogance here are the people claiming "I am right and you are wrong because I don't like your objective evidence". That is an astounding level of arrogance. You assume you know better than everyone else, even when actual data proves you wrong:) Somehow your "experience" is just better, so there is need to provide any evidence other than insults and memes.

[Chortles Snortles]

ok so not shaman, got it
(LOL)

[Gloomlord]

Why am I the arrogant one? I post plenty of evidence to support my claims. The only arrogance here are the people claiming "I am right and you are wrong because I don't like your data". That is an astounding level of arrogance. You assume you know better than everyone else, even when actual data proves you wrong:)

Okay then, so do what Troxx asked of you. Parse yourself for an hour as shaman to see how much DPS you can do. Then ask a mage to give a parse in the same scenario. Someone even offered to provide you their classes to test your theory.

You won't test that theory, though, because we all know you're a duplicitous child unable to admit you're wrong.

This isn't a conspiracy against you -- you're just a fool.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Okay then, so do what Troxx asked of you. Parse yourself for an hour as shaman to see how much DPS you can do. Then ask a mage to give a parse in the same scenario. Someone even offered to provide you their classes to test your theory.

You won't test that theory, though, because we all know you're a duplicitous child unable to admit you're wrong.

This isn't a conspiracy against you -- you're just a fool.

I do not need to. The data I have provided would be the same in a group. It is exactly the same as the "napkin" math I provided earlier, because it really isn't difficult to math out average DPS in a video game.

It is up to Troxx (or someone else) to provide evidence that the DPS would change in a group setting. That is the current claim to try and invalidate my data, with no proof whatsoever.

It is also up to Troxx to provide evidence that he actually admits is accurate. Currently he claims all of his data is off due to parser error.

I have provided solid evidence that cannot be faked. The ball is in the court of the opposing side to prove my evidence is not accurate in a group setting, and/or Mage DPS is actually higher that what Troxx has provided.

[PlsNoBan]

I do not need to. The data I have provided would be the same in a group.

It is up to Troxx (or someone else) to provide evidence that the DPS would change in a group setting. That is the current claim to try and invalidate my data, with no proof whatsoever.

It is also up to Troxx to provide evidence that he actually admits is accurate. Currently he claims all of his data is off due to parser error.

1: The parser isn't broken. Everyone knows when you combine fights your overall DPS numbers get skewed. Enough of this nonsense. There isn't a bug in the parser it's working just fine.

2: Your data is extremely flawed. Soloing a mob then pretending you'd do the same numbers in a fast killing chain pulling group is fucking absurd and that's why everyone is dismissing your "data". If you want to test something in a specific scenario you can't test a different scenario and claim it's the same thing. I know you aren't the sharpest crayon in the box but I think even you can understand that's not how you test things if you want real results.

3: I didn't even say autism in this one

[Gloomlord]

By all means, keep telling yourself that. Neither you, nor I, nor anyone is believing this now.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

1: The parser isn't broken. Everyone knows when you combine fights your overall DPS numbers get skewed. Enough of this nonsense. There isn't a bug in the parser it's working just fine.

2: Your data is extremely flawed. Soloing a mob then pretending you'd do the same numbers in a fast killing chain pulling group is fucking absurd and that's why everyone is dismissing your "data". If you want to test something in a specific scenario you can't test a different scenario and claim it's the same thing. I know you aren't the sharpest crayon in the box but I think even you can understand that's not how you test things if you want real results.

"Everybody knows" isn't an argument, it is a fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum . If you claim there isn't a bug in the parser, then the numbers are accurate lol, no skewing involved. By your own admission, Mage average DPS is 80, and it matches the average DPS you get when you simply math it out.

Please prove my data is "extremely flawed". Being in a group doesn't change a Mobs stats. A Mage could even do the same test that I provided if they want. We have no way to know how Troxx even got his parse data, due to it just being a screenshot.

The ball is still in your court lol.

By all means, keep telling yourself that. Neither you, nor I, nor anyone is believing this now.

Your beliefs are irrelevant to the truth. The truth is you have no evidence to counter mine, or back up your propositions.

[Gloomlord]

Says the man completely skewing a scenario in his favour, then arrogantly bathing in it to blot out everything else that contradicts the veracity of that scenario.

Forget autism. This is solipsism.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Says the man completely skewing a scenario in his favour, then arrogantly bathing in it to blot out everything else that contradicts the veracity of that scenario.

Forget autism. This is solipsism.

It is neither, and you haven't provided anything to back up your trolling.

[Gloomlord]

Remember when I said "solipsism"?

Case in point. Of course a troll calls others trolls when they're onto him.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Remember when I said "solipsism"?

Case in point. Of course a troll calls others trolls when they're onto him.

The troll is the person who says "I am right and you are wrong, and I don't need to provide evidence".

That is you, and your post history proves it:) 0 posts showing any data to counter mine. But keep telling yourself that calling other people autistic or a solipsist is "evidence":)


I didn't even say autism in this one

Making progress! You still average saying "autistic" or "autism" for 1 of every 3 posts for the last 100. Please keep working at it, and start providing evidence for your claims too. I fully believe in your ability to recover. That isn't sarcasm. Everybody can change if they want to.

[Gloomlord]

But that's what you're doing....?

Come on, guys! He's barely disguising it now!

[PlsNoBan]

"Everybody knows" isn't an argument, it is a fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum . If you claim there isn't a bug in the parser, then the numbers are accurate lol, no skewing involved. By your own admission, Mage average DPS is 80.

Please prove my data is "extremely flawed". Being in a group doesn't change a Mobs stats. A Mage could even do the same test that I provided if they want. We have no way to know how Troxx even got his parse data, due to it just being a screenshot.

The ball is still in your court lol.



Your beliefs are irrelevant to the truth, which is you have no evidence to counter mine, or back up your propositions.

A group with 2 or more charm pets the mobs are dying in like less than 30 seconds. Obviously 5% more slow is a HUGE DEAL so you're obviously slowing every mob right? Once mob comes in and you cast malo + slow and get your first dot applied (assuming no resists) you're gonna get like 2 ticks before it dies. Best case scenario you get 2 dots up and get like 2 ticks each. This is EXTREMELY inefficient from a DPM perspective. No amount of canni/torpor makes this efficient or sustainable in a fast moving chain pulling group. Contrary to what you seem to believe you can't cast canni and torpor WHILE casting dots and malo/slow. You can only cast 1 spell at a time in the game of EverQuest and they tend to have long-ish cast times and multiple charms make mobs die very quickly.

Mage pet does its full DPS from the literal second the mob comes into camp and all their DPS is frontload-able via nukes which are OBVIOUSLY superior to dots when fighting stuff that dies quickly. Would you rather spend 7 seconds and 320 mana to do 1024 damage from a mage nuke on a mob thats gonna die in 30 sec or spend 5 seconds and 430 mana to apply a dot that will do 111 a tick and if you're lucky will tick 3 times? The only way your stupid ass theory works is if the shaman is root rotting adds off to the side which fucking nobody ever does or wants to do besides you.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

But that's what you're doing....?

Come on, guys! He's barely disguising it now!

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638

Video and log evidence, where the log evidence can be cross referenced to the videos to prove it hasn't been tampered with.

Troxx has a screenshot of parser data he claims is broken, and we can't prove the screenshot is even real.

You have literally nothing.

Ball is in your court:)

[PlsNoBan]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3497117&postcount=638

Video and log evidence, where the log evidence can be cross referenced to the videos to prove it hasn't been tampered with.

Troxx has a screenshot of a parser he claims is broken, and we can't prove the screenshot is even real.

You have literally nothing.

Ball is in your court:)

Gratz on 100 pages you beautiful clown

[Gloomlord]

He's not a clown -- he's the entire circus.

[Toxigen]

well its monday and you boys got it done, bravo

100 pages of useless bullshit

[Troxx]

Page 100!

https://c.tenor.com/9im1YQbtaw4AAAAC/we-did-a-thing-worth.gif

[Ripqozko]

Congrats on 100

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Congrats to all the trolls who have yet to provide evidence for their claims, and are the real reason this thread has 100 pages.

These trolls are Troxx, PlsNoBan, Karanis, Toxigen, Cyxthryth, Gloomlord, Chortles Snortles, and Ripqozko. Their post histories are pretty sad right now.

PlsNoBan alone is using the word "autism" or "autistic" in 1 of every 3 posts from his last 100 as a derogatory remark.

Big yikes. But when they can't win with evidence or logic, they just turn any forum into RnF. It's much easier to try and silence people than actually have a civil conversation.

[Ripqozko]

Congrats to all the trolls who have yet to provide evidence for their claims, and are the real reason this thread has 100 pages.

These trolls are Troxx, PlsNoBan, Karanis, Toxigen, Cyxthryth, Gloomlord, Chortles Snortles, and Ripqozko. Their post histories are pretty sad right now.

PlsNoBan alone is using the word "autism" or "autistic" in 1 of every 3 posts from his last 100.

Big yikes. But when they can't win with evidence or logic, they just turn any forum into RnF. It's much easier to try and silence people than actually have a civil conversation.

Congrats on your nearly 400 posts in 1 thread

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Congrats on your nearly 400 posts in 1 thread

Just take a look at the aggregate posts of the trolls I mentioned in this thread. It's basically the same count. The difference is it has been 8 vs. 1, and you guys still lost lol.

[PlsNoBan]

provide evidence for their claims ... can't win with evidence or logic

A group with 2 or more charm pets the mobs are dying in like less than 30 seconds. Obviously 5% more slow is a HUGE DEAL so you're obviously slowing every mob right? Once mob comes in and you cast malo + slow and get your first dot applied (assuming no resists) you're gonna get like 2 ticks before it dies. Best case scenario you get 2 dots up and get like 2 ticks each. This is EXTREMELY inefficient from a DPM perspective. No amount of canni/torpor makes this efficient or sustainable in a fast moving chain pulling group. Contrary to what you seem to believe you can't cast canni and torpor WHILE casting dots and malo/slow. You can only cast 1 spell at a time in the game of EverQuest and they tend to have long-ish cast times and multiple charms make mobs die very quickly.

Mage pet does its full DPS from the literal second the mob comes into camp and all their DPS is frontload-able via nukes which are OBVIOUSLY superior to dots when fighting stuff that dies quickly. Would you rather spend 7 seconds and 320 mana to do 1024 damage from a mage nuke on a mob thats gonna die in 30 sec or spend 5 seconds and 430 mana to apply a dot that will do 111 a tick and if you're lucky will tick 3 times? The only way your stupid ass theory works is if the shaman is root rotting adds off to the side which fucking nobody ever does or wants to do besides you.


Waaaaaaah people called me names. Here's some irrelevant data to prove why I'm right and they're wrong.