2020 Election MEGAthread

[Patriam1066]

What?

How many forum accounts you got here and why?

Are you liking your own post like a dog who licks his own ass or are you getting banned often here because you're not able to follow simple forum rules?

Just asking.

That’s Mario you dumb fuckin kraut

[Jibartik]

If you provide me with some evidence masks work I am happy to read and possibly update my position <shrug>

https://i.imgur.com/LNlDYpj.png

[Jibartik]

BTW what does this mean:

Following a site that cherry picks the dumbest members of a group is little more than mental masturbation. Rather than rejoicing that we are not at the absolute bottom of God's evolutionary scale, we should be looking upwards at the people who are doing things better than us in the hope we can take a step or two upwards.

and did you make that quote of me, or did I say that? Im super confused about all that hehe

[Raev]

There are three problems with this superficially reasonable graphic.

If something doesn't work, it doesn't work. Four plies of toilet paper will not stop an artillery shell any more than one.
If something reduces the chance of a negative event, but the event keeps happening, eventually it will occur anyway. In EQ terms, no matter how much CR you stack, you'll eventually roll 0 and eat a full damage Ice Comet, so you have to make sure to stack enough HP to survive the worst case. In COVID terms, it means that you will almost certainly be exposed unless you totally quarantine yourself, so you need to supplement vitamins c/d & zinc take basic measures to reduce stress and so on.
Interventions are not free! If you check the AAPS site (https://aapsonline.org/mask-facts/) near the end they list mask side effects. Unsurprisingly, you get less oxygen when wearing a mask. This means your entire body works worse. 37% of healthcare workers in Sweden reported headaches when wearing a mask. And apparently it also makes your teeth worse.

[Elrood]

There are three problems with this superficially reasonable graphic.

If something doesn't work, it doesn't work. Four plies of toilet paper will not stop an artillery shell any more than one.
If something reduces the chance of a negative event, but the event keeps happening, eventually it will occur anyway. In EQ terms, no matter how much CR you stack, you'll eventually roll 0 and eat a full damage Ice Comet, so you have to make sure to stack enough HP to survive the worst case. In COVID terms, it means that you will almost certainly be exposed unless you totally quarantine yourself, so you need to supplement vitamins c/d & zinc take basic measures to reduce stress and so on.
Interventions are not free! If you check the AAPS site (https://aapsonline.org/mask-facts/) near the end they list mask side effects. Unsurprisingly, you get less oxygen when wearing a mask. This means your entire body works worse. 37% of healthcare workers in Sweden reported headaches when wearing a mask. And apparently it also makes your teeth worse.


Good stuff. Regardless, wear your fucking mask.

[Jibartik]

There are three problems with this superficially reasonable graphic.

If something doesn't work, it doesn't work. Four plies of toilet paper will not stop an artillery shell any more than one.
If something reduces the chance of a negative event, but the event keeps happening, eventually it will occur anyway. In EQ terms, no matter how much CR you stack, you'll eventually roll 0 and eat a full damage Ice Comet, so you have to make sure to stack enough HP to survive the worst case. In COVID terms, it means that you will almost certainly be exposed unless you totally quarantine yourself, so you need to supplement vitamins c/d & zinc take basic measures to reduce stress and so on.
Interventions are not free! If you check the AAPS site (https://aapsonline.org/mask-facts/) near the end they list mask side effects. Unsurprisingly, you get less oxygen when wearing a mask. This means your entire body works worse.


So are you saying in EQ resists dont matter?

37% of healthcare workers in Sweden reported headaches when wearing a mask. And apparently it also makes your teeth worse

I got another study that says 100% of people who claim headaches from wearing masks are actually not suffering headaches at all and crying out for attention.

[Woke Locc]

If something reduces the chance of a negative event, but the event keeps happening, eventually it will occur anyway. In EQ terms, no matter how much CR you stack, you'll eventually roll 0 and eat a full damage Ice Comet, so you have to make sure to stack enough HP to survive the worst case.

not true, noob

[peterpal]

I admire Jibartik never giving up trying to teach forum neanderthals to use their small thinkies.

[FatherSioux]

Jib makes disingenuous claims to try and invite big brains like me.

[BlackBellamy]

https://imgur.com/PQgQtWA.png

[Patriam1066]

Yes! Patriam and Castle are saying some useful things as well. I feel like we are finally getting a few decent posts here in this thread now!



Just to be clear, I think there is absolutely nothing wrong with the world as it is right now. It is serving its intended purpose perfectly.



Your points regarding the financial bubble are well taken. But the US national debt is currently $27 trillion (https://usdebtclock.org/). 4% interest would require about $1 trillion in interest per year. Historically it has been impossible for countries to pay off over 100% debt/GDP in real terms. So we have to choose between a deflationary collapse (massive defaults) or inflationary collapse (Venezuela/Weimar Germany style wheelbarrows of printed cash).



Yes, I agree 100%, but how do you plan to accomplish this within a political system that is obviously designed NOT to work? The fact of the matter is that a substantial fraction of Americans prefer the status quo. You have the welfare leeches on the bottom, the people who like the moral superiority of lecturing their betters, and of course the psychopaths at the top who have no intention of letting go of their power.

Like I told Castle, the devil is in the details.

Well, destroying the institutions beyond repair, like not accepting election results, is absolutely the worst idea. What comes next would likely be worse

Reform is an uphill battle, notably because our population can’t seem to avoid bad food, drugs, and bad decision making. I’m not sure where we go from here, but bottom line, there will have to be much more serious consequences for corruption. Marginally higher taxes on certainly the wealthiest 1%, but probably the top 10%. Massive cuts to programs like disability, which is extremely abused, look at how many more people remarkably became disabled during the pandemic. It’s bull shit. The military budget has to be halved, public pensions disbursed only after an additional 10 years of service (a military career is 30 years instead of 20). In short, belt tightening across the board. Personally, I would cut all forms of welfare and replace them with a UBI. It’s more egalitarian and if you fuck up, boohoo

Frankly, we’re heading that way anyway. Housing prices have gone from 3-5 times the annual salary to 5-10x, depending where you live. People think that welfare benefits them, but the policies, like deficit spending, that enable this actually don’t benefit those at the bottom of the economic pyramid. This has been true for a while. I bought a house in Utah a while ago for a vacation home because there was literally nothing else to do wirh my money, in addition to putting it in trusts for grandchildren. If I were a real ass hole, I could buy 4-5 homes and rent them around the Houston area, which is exactly the result of our historically low interest rates. IF the american dream is predicated on owning a home (I’m not sure I buy that premise), the welfare state and low interest rates are antithetical to the interest of the working poor

As for political reform, that’s going to take a popular person who doesn’t get Gracchi’d. But the Republican and democratic parties are trash right now

[Patriam1066]

And to be clear, Trump has made worse, in a serious manner, every problem we face. We don’t even have credibility with our allies in the struggle against China. The economist released a horrifying account of what’s happening to the Uyghurs today. It’s out and out genocide, and somehow we no longer have the moral high ground to do anything about this.

SAD!!!!! YUUUUGE failure

[Morton Jr]

Trump made our trade issue worse? He corrected the spiral of our economy and 2019 and 2020 have been the biggest growth years america ever had

your post proves you have no money in real life at all.

[FatherSioux]

Economy literally the best in generations and fools believe Trump wasn’t an economic boon for America. Best numbers for poor, black you name it. Yet he’s racist and a fool.

[Patriam1066]

Trade deficit with China is up. I know when trump tells you guys you believe it hook line and sinker, but it isn’t reality.

The economy is horrible right now, and it cost an additional $7 trillion in debt. Parallel universes I guess. Did you address home prices? How about rent? Is life getting easier for Americans?

[Castle2.0]

Funny to see all these "China experts" in the thread, lol

[Castle2.0]

Is life getting easier for Americans?

Let's ask Americans. Yep.

[Patriam1066]

Do smart people look directly at eclipses? Just curious

[Jibartik]

Jib makes disingenuous claims to try and invite big brains like me.

I believe my posts are extremely sincere, I dont try to attack people. :(

[BlackBellamy]

And to be clear, Trump has made worse, in a serious manner, every problem we face. We don’t even have credibility with our allies in the struggle against China. The economist released a horrifying account of what’s happening to the Uyghurs today. It’s out and out genocide, and somehow we no longer have the moral high ground to do anything about this.

SAD!!!!! YUUUUGE failure

Yeah, so we should die for the Uyghurs today and Armenia tomorrow? A nice new row of American boys in the ground so we can save insurrectionists and ethnic cleansers.

Here's a list of our problems (internationally):

Nothing. Fuck all ya'll.

Here's a list of things we should solve (internationally):

Get bent. Fix your own samovar or rickshaw.

We used to have problems. Problems like too many wars. We had like three going at one time? I think we're down to half, maybe a quarter of a war now?

We used to have a problem with Iran, what happened to those guys? We only had to publicly assassinate one of them on Trump's whim? Damn I thought those monkeys were a bit tougher.

What happened to North Korea? Kim was all like look at me I have rockets look at me I'm blowing up fishing boats I'm a big big problem! And Trump went there and Kim spent all that time just sucking Trump's dick the entire time. He's still sucking it, remotely because of covid of course.

Remember with all those fucked up NATO EU people and how we had to shine them up to get anything done? Turns out we don't need them and they all suck. Trump went there and literally yelled at them and started giving them the sieg heil and all that obedience kicked right in and it was yes sir no sir right away.

Remember the Palestinian problem? It's gone! Do you know why no one gives a flying fuck about the Palestinians all of a sudden? Because Trump sent his meddling son-in-law to end run around their interests and now they're all crying why won't the Arabs support our stupid claims. Ha ha ha, I mean everyone saw the octopus cartoon; let's say you have an octopus - you're not just going to leave it around, that thing is smart and can open jars. So you put your octopus to work and problem solved. (Unless you have a problem with the octopus which I don't. They're cool. Everyone knows what happens when the octopuses get too smart. It's like the problem solutions itself. In modern-day speak.)

Anyway, aside from that weirdly not-really-but anti-octopic diatribe, problems solved.

Trump has indeed solved all the problems we had and at the same time made all new problems impossible. They can't form. Like thoughts in a leftists brain.

[Castle2.0]

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/10/20/exclusive-bevan-cooney-moved-from-prison-cell-after-providing-email-account-exposing-hunter-biden/

Hunter Biden's Former Business Partner Moved from Federal Cell, Concerned for His Life

Will he be epsteined by the left?

#BevanCooneyDidNotKillHimself

[Patriam1066]

You’re right. We should recede from the world and pretend it doesn’t effect us. Clever argument in the time of a global pandemic. Then again, you probably believe it’s a hoax

Peaceful transfers of power for two plus centuries, questioned for the first time by a Republican. Everyone right of center should be appalled at that challenge to fundamental precepts of western civ, but you simply do not care because this man has a hold over you. He’s bad, whether you accept that or not is a personal choice. But it’s pretty obvious

As for me being a leftist, lol. A couple posts ago I advocated cutting all forms of welfare. I’m definitely right of center

[FatherSioux]

Enjoy (https://youtu.be/jrjI2X9TIZA)

Tell me more about how the financial epicenter of the world is in trouble because they "owe" fake money to the Chinese. The Chinese who don't produce anything but junk and steal IP. You like to peacock around here like you're an authority on world affairs and you repeatedly cow-tow to the CCP.

If you believe we're in trouble because of our trade deficit I suggest you look into why it's nearly impossible for the country who's currency is the standard globally to not run a deficit.

Iran was great once, it's a dump now because of folks like you who likely flocked to America for more opportunity instead of lifting up your own people. Bed, meet Patriam1066 zZzzzZZzzz

[Jibartik]

We used to have problems. Problems like too many wars. We had like three going at one time? I think we're down to half, maybe a quarter of a war now?

We are gearing up for world war 3 if you dont know this cool, I hope you're older than 34.

We used to have a problem with Iran, what happened to those guys? We only had to publicly assassinate one of them on Trump's whim? Damn I thought those monkeys were a bit tougher.

Iran will be the (possible false flag) that starts ww3 with a terrorist attack in Isreal using Palistine as the cause. (actually Id like @Patraim to explain how ww3 in the ME will start, because I bet if he does Id be like, yep thats it!)

What happened to North Korea?

They just killed a south Korean soldier, a few months ago dude. They're just waiting for their chance to strike south Korea when America already lost face with enough allies (see below) it will happen once we are distracted fighting (Iran)Russia in the middle east.

Remember with all those fucked up NATO EU people and how we had to shine them up to get anything done?

You mean the allies that will suddenly turn their backs on us when we start a shooting war with Russia in the ME, because they hate Trump?

Remember the Palestinian problem? It's gone!

https://i.imgur.com/anLSKBS.png

See: "what happened to Iran"

Do you know why no one gives a flying fuck about the Palestinians all of a sudden?

https://twitter.com/RightWingWatch/status/1318585013944942593?s=20

And most importantly: Because (just like the USA will be too distracted in the ME as ww3 begins) The Bernie bro's that cared about Palestine are too distracted pretending they support trump to own the Dems right now, to notice Palestine has been a hard pass on the Abraham Accords :o

[Trump] made all new problems impossible. They can't form. Like thoughts in a leftists brain.

http://www.afsa.org/russias-return-middle-east

by 2027 I will either be proved totally right, or totally wrong. But Please: Remember this post. (because there wont be any electricity then to quote it :p )

Either way, whenever this post comes up years from now, I bet the economy is in shambles unless its 10 years after a collapse, we've rebuilt, and just turned the forums back on lol

[BlackBellamy]

You’re right. We should recede from the world and pretend it doesn’t effect us. Clever argument in the time of a global pandemic. Then again, you probably believe it’s a hoax

Peaceful transfers of power for two plus centuries, questioned for the first time by a Republican. Everyone right of center should be appalled at that challenge to fundamental precepts of western civ, but you simply do not care because this man has a hold over you. He’s bad, whether you accept that or not is a personal choice. But it’s pretty obvious

As for me being a leftist, lol. A couple posts ago I advocated cutting all forms of welfare. I’m definitely right of center

None of those are my arguments but you go beat that straw if you have to.

The most fundamental precept of western civilization, or at least the American one, and I dare anyone to challenge this, is to ensure the government serves the people and not the other way around. That is our creed (https://www.ushistory.org/documents//creed.htm) and is enshrined in all our foundational documents.

I can think of very few violations as severe as using the nearly-unstoppable machinery of the state to suppress your political opponent and ensure that the transfer of power is denied the will of the people and instead happens as one hand would give to another instead.

The smart people who think for themselves know that Obama and Hillary and their fucking imbecile spymasters did more damage to any precepts in six months than Trump running his mouth could in a lifetime.

[Woke Locc]

Funny to see all these "China experts" in the thread, lol

Got any China content to add besides asserting your own expertise?

(no)

[Jibartik]

All my life as a leftist I hated war and Americans influence around the globe. Conservatives bashed me about how it was absolutely necessary or the tyrants of the world would go around being tyrants.

I used to think "lets take a gamble and see if that's true!" But, now that Im older, I can see how maybe the conservatives are right.

Part of me wants to be isolationlist becuase I do believe the world wont fall into disrepare if we were more like New Zealand with our international policy.

But I really dont know, I really do think that if america just up and pulled itself out of these issues, that russia and china would replace us, and that would mean very bad things for people down the road. I could be wrong but, I do believe culturally that imposing democracy on people is probubly better than imposing communism, dont you think?

I do think it's a 1 or the other thing, there is no "both sides decide to let everyone keep their borders"

IDK

I just dont know about this one. But I do think allies is what really kept us out of ww3 in the 70sd and 80s and we're losing those fast.

[BlackBellamy]

https://imgur.com/fMMtAaR.jpg

[Danth]

All my life as a leftist I hated war and Americans influence around the globe. Conservatives bashed me about how it was absolutely necessary or the tyrants of the world would go around being tyrants.

I used to think "lets take a gamble and see if that's true!" But, now that Im older, I can see how maybe the conservatives are right.

Part of me wants to be isolationlist becuase I do believe the world wont fall into disrepare if we were more like New Zealand with our international policy.

But I really dont know, I really do think that if america just up and pulled itself out of these issues, that russia and china would replace us, and that would mean very bad things for people down the road. I could be wrong but, I do believe culturally that imposing democracy on people is probubly better than imposing communism, dont you think?

I do think it's a 1 or the other thing, there is no "both sides decide to let everyone keep their borders"

IDK

There's an ancient and ever-accurate saying, Jib: "All evil needs in order to flourish is for good men to do nothing."

[Jibartik]

yeah this is it exactly, like, waht if in 1930 if we were talking to germany with a UN, would ww2 never have happened?

Idk... doing something, maybe the conservatives were right.

I will say that, I thought the war on terror would have never been winnable, but man... I may be crazy, but it seems like we kinda won that after like 20 years... Although, I did just say that ww3 was going to come out of that same area, so maybe I'm dead wrong about that? lol

[Castle2.0]

Who are the people that thought Hunter Biden's laptop was Russian disinformation / fake?

Preztelboy and who else? Wow.

I only reserved one crow for Preztelboy to eat, Ozzie Ozbourne style. I just want to know if I need to order more.

P.S. +1 BlackBellamysMatter for Thomes Sowell tweet

[Jibartik]

https://imgur.com/fMMtAaR.jpg

I want to be 100% clear.

This has to do with conservativism, and supporting trump is less conservative than being a democrat.

He is about as "shake it up and change the way we do things" as I have seen since Bernie Sanders.

[Castle2.0]

Sowell is more libertarian. Great thinker. Trump himself is not your typical conservative, but he is fulfilling the conservative agenda more than almost any 'conservative' president in modern history.

I'm not voting for Trump because I like him. I'm not looking for a guy to go grab a beer with. I am looking for a guy to get the job done.

[Jibartik]

Sowell is more libertarian. Trump himself is not your typical conservative, but he is fulfilling the conservative agenda more than almost any 'conservative' president in modern history.

If libertarianism is burn everything and ignore anyone who tells you otherwise then sure.

You seem to me more like an anarchist than a libertarian.

Your version of libertarianism is high patriot acts and anti science driving federal mandates.

Mine is the president stops writing executive orders.

[Castle2.0]

Nope, I would say, politically, I am a mix conservative/libertarian.

I wonder if Mr.Priss is gonna run away from the Hunter laptop story like he ran away from my simple COVID question, lol.

Looking forward to it. Maybe he'll chime in now one last time before the deeper, darker stuff off that laptop drops, like the pedo stuff, yuck. I mean, it's already starting to leak out, but someone who only watches CNN will be on a 1-week delay.

[Jibartik]

Nope, I would say, politically, I am a mix conservative/libertarian.

So you're a conservative that supports the biggest inflation of our national debt in history, and a libertarian who thinks a president writing the highest number of executive orders in history (based on time in office), is small goverment?

[Danth]

You seem to me more like an anarchist than a libertarian.

The two are cut from the same cloth. In much common usage "libertarian" is simply a polite word for anarchist. It stems from the era where openly calling yourself an anarchist would get you the old-timey equivalent of deplatformed. Some self-described libertarians regard themselves as more minarchists than anarchists in that they have enough sense to accept that some governance is necessary.

Danth

[Jibartik]

The two are cut from the same cloth. In much common usage "libertarian" is simply a polite word for anarchist. It stems from the era where openly calling yourself an anarchist would get you the old-timey equivalent of deplatformed. Some self-described libertarians regard themselves as more minarchists than anarchists in that they have enough sense to accept that some governance is necessary.

Danth

A lot of libertarians I meet believe in the bill of rights, and they kind of stop there. So would every single anarchist.

But I saw that amazing rant by Anton Scalia, where he was like, "every banana republic in the world has a bill of rights, what sets America apart is our judicial, executive, and legislative branches being separate and that is protected in the constitution."

The, "gridlock of big goverment" is what the founding fathers wanted, the bill of rights wasn't necessary because of this, but it was added to appease the federalists: It is the constitution that would "protect the bill of rights" and that's what sets us apart. (And it's why the "living document" aspect works too.)

He quoted the soviet unions bill of rights, and it was ours, + an anti corruption right, and that was the country that made the KGB lol... Because they didnt have the 3 branches of goverment the way we do and a constitution that protects them.

So I believe you're right, but, I disagree that they have enough sense to accept that some governance is necessary, I would argue, most think that that governance comes from the bill of rights simply existing and the rest of our goverment just follows it, and that we should get rid of the senators and legislative beurocracy, that is "big goverment", that turns out is the only reason we follow the bill of rights in the first place.

I think a true libertarian/conservative, likes big goverment, because it means no changes. An an anarchist says "get off my property its mine! Says so in the bill of rights!"

:o Idk if you watch those I dont talk to cops videos on youtube, but those are always, libertarians.

[Castle2.0]

So you're a conservative that supports the biggest inflation of our national debt in history, and a libertarian who thinks a president writing the highest number of executive orders in history (based on time in office), is small goverment? Nope.

I don't agree with Trump on some things. These would be 2 of them. Executive order overreach. Every executive has done this and it gets worse with each new president. It's a problem. I don't think the means justify the ends - but I do appreciate the policy ends.

I also supported Ron Paul's idea to audit the fed and I would have preferred his son Rand Paul as the nominee instead of Trump in 2016. I didn't vote for Trump or Clinton in 2016.

Seeing how Trump has performed in the past 3 years, he has my vote this go.

[Danth]

I might have worded my post badly: A "minarchist" believes some (albeit limited) active governance is necessary. That is the distinguishing characteristic between such a person and a true anarchist/libertarian.

[BlackBellamy]

So you're a conservative that supports the biggest inflation of our national debt in history,

Maybe he supports some things but not others? Like maybe he supports this:

Donald Trump radically cut regulation. This was proven because for the first time in human history there was an actual reduction in man-hours dedicated to dealing with regulatory issues.

Appointed dozens of originalist judges filling the judiciary with people who actually care about the Constitution.

Cut taxes resulting in the biggest jump in the economy in 50 years and lowest unemployement ever.

Pursued a pro-life policy and appointed pro-life people to executive positions.

Resisted expanding federal power using covid as an excuse.

but doesn't support

some disingenuous example

do you think people just support everything 100% about everything?

[Jibartik]

Explain my disingenuous example?

[Jibartik]

I didn't vote for Trump or Clinton in 2016.

By not voting for trump or clinton in 2016 you're only affirming my views that you are an ex Bernie bro, like I also suspect BB is :o

Your hate of social democracy, is exactly why democrat's hated Bernie bro's and why people like Tim Pool, became "liberal trump supporters"

[FatherSioux]

Jib doesn't know it but he's inching closer to a Trump voter.

[BlackBellamy]

Explain my disingenuous example?

It's an appeal to purity. Like when someone says 'oh I support something' or' I support this political party or ideology' - it's disingenuous to go 'oh how can you do that when here is this example' when you know that people are able to be flexible in their support of policy positions. Because you know this and still ask that way, that is the disingenuous part.

[Jibartik]

It's an appeal to purity. Like when someone says 'oh I support something' or' I support this political party or ideology' - it's disingenuous to go 'oh how can you do that when here is this example' when you know that people are able to be flexible in their support of policy positions. Because you know this and still ask that way, that is the disingenuous part.

Wait what?

I am saying that TRUMP is not conservative, and if you think you are conservative and support trump, then it is not disingenuous for me to call you out as an anarchist. Anymore than it is you to call me a communist because I admit to liking social programs and masks.

Inflating the national budget is NOT conservatism, and its not disingenuous for me to say that you're stretching the truth when you say you support that, but call yourself a conservative.

Me calling you out for being disingenuous is not me being disingeous holy crap, nice try. That was some serious internet arguing you tried to just pull.

[Jibartik]

Jib doesn't know it but he's inching closer to a Trump voter.

I vocally supported him among my friends, (I believe in America and we lost and resisting wasn't going to help anyone!) to my own social detriment, for 3 years! It was the mask lies and anti vaccination science that made me withdraw my support, and then the doubling down on it, that made me vocalize my anti support.

Im not trying to get us to change the results of the election, but I do wish we could call a spade a spade, and trump is a bad president, he could do 8 years as a bad president bush did, Clinton did, pretty much all bad presidents do, but at least call him what he is.

[FatherSioux]

I vocally supported him among my friends, (I believe in America and we lost and resisting wasn't going to help anyone!) to my own social detriment, for 3 years! It was the mask lies and anti vaccination science that made me withdraw my support, and then the doubling down on it, that made me vocalize my anti support.

I've lost friends because I wasn't grabbing my pitchfork during the impeachment/collusion debacle.

What do you mean anti-vaccine science?

[Jibartik]

The position I've heard from trump, and I find ITT about masks, covid, and basically the entire medical industry, is far too parallel to the anti vax position on all of that.

[BlackBellamy]

ex Bernie bro, like I also suspect BB is :o

Age 1: What a beautiful baby.

Age 2-6: My handsome boy.

Age 7-10: Anti-Communist Ethno-Nationalist. Not even budding but for real.

Age 11-20: Reagan Republican. So same as above except now in America.

Age 21-30: Centrist Republican. Bush, like his son later about The Towers, lied to me.

Age 31-35: Paleolibertarian. Freshly flush with cash. Stay out of my business!

Age 36-45: Conservative Republican. I figured out how to evade taxes. The pendulum swings back.

Age 45+: Looking for someone more hardcore, yet also who can give me some lebensraum for my boys when I have them on the weekend. Swipe left if you don't goose-step or don't like long harangues about the Treaty of Versailles.


Haha just kidding about that last one. At my age I'll fuck anything, literally the first political ideology that comes at me with some pussy and a nice smile I'm down, I don't care.

[BlackBellamy]

I meant "avoid" taxes. Not evade.

[BlackBellamy]

It's not that I don't evade taxes, I do both. I evade and I avoid taxes. I come at them from both ends. It's just that I would never admit to evasion. So I wanted to make sure you guys knew I was just saying avoid so I wouldn't say evade which is what I did, not because I was lying to you.

[Jibartik]

Out of curiosity, what type of business are you in where you've figured out how to successfully "avoid" taxes? In my experience, the whole "once you start making money you can get out of paying taxes" was well above my ceiling.

So I guess what Im wondering, am I the only one not lying about his income to the IRS?

[Castle2.0]

If you got questions about Hunter Biden's emails this guy's recent tweets answers those questions

https://twitter.com/adamhousley

Delaware Police received laptop from Guiliani. They just announced they are handing it over to FBI to handle. Not looking good for Hunter, so it's not looking good for Joe.

[Jibartik]

If you got questions about Hunter Biden's emails this guy's recent tweets answers those questions

https://twitter.com/adamhousley

Delaware Police received laptop from Guiliani. They just announced they are handing it over to FBI to handle. Not looking good for Hunter, so it's not looking good for Joe.

serious q, i thought the FBI already had it? Last we were talking about it the timeline was, shopkeep gave a copy to FBI, he thought they weren't doing anything with it, so he decided to give to rudy... is that diffeent than the new timeline?

Was wondering while I brushed my teeth this morning, maybe the FBI were not doing anything with it, because they looked at it all and were like "there's nothing here"... I wonder if this will be the end of all this distraction?

[Jibartik]

Also anti tax pro trump libertarians are ex bernie bros because when they were bernie bro's they wanted less military spending, and therefore less taxes, but they are now angry so they want more military spending. :)

Tim Pool is tim pool!

But I will conceed, you guys are starting to convince me you're authentic libertarians, but for me to be absolute certain I would need for you to describe your personal last 3 experiences with the ATF. ;)

I am judging how you react to that question very scrutinently so be careful, BB = BERNIE BRO prove me wrong. :p

[BlackBellamy]

Wait what?

I am saying that TRUMP is not conservative, and if you think you are conservative and support trump, then it is not disingenuous for me to call you out as an anarchist. Anymore than it is you to call me a communist because I admit to liking social programs and masks.

Inflating the national budget is NOT conservatism, and its not disingenuous for me to say that you're stretching the truth when you say you support that, but call yourself a conservative.

Me calling you out for being disingenuous is not me being disingeous holy crap, nice try. That was some serious internet arguing you tried to just pull.

Aah ok, I see we don't agree on what disingenuous means. It's not merely insincere.

Like for example if you knew that Obama's deficits ran twice Trump's and yet argued that Trump was inflating the budget, then you would be disingenuous. Because you would be deceitful as to how much you knew and you cherry picked your argument.

Like for example: (https://www.thebalance.com/deficit-by-president-what-budget-deficits-hide-3306151)

Trump -$3.812 trillion in his first term, a 19% increase.

Obama -$6.781 trillion first term. That's a 58% increase.

So yes, Trump increased the deficit by almost 20%! Do you see where I'm going with this?

So if you were making an argument that Trump was increasing the deficit because of course he was, and thus he wasn't a conservative, and anyone who supported him couldn't be a conservative either and probably was a hypocrite anarchist, and you didn't know the specific numbers to compare, then you would be ignorant or perhaps more charitably naïve rather than disingenuous.

Trump is definitely definitely more conservative than Obama and Clinton and Carter of course. He's provably more conservative than either of the Bush liars. The jury is still out on Reagan. So the most conservative President of my lifetime. Wtf are you talking about?

[Jibartik]

No being disingenuous would be saying all that but leaving out that we rebuilt a financial crisis during that year under Obama, and during trump we still were riding that high, while he spent like he was buying golden toilets to inflate the stockmarket which promptly came tumbling down to where it was when obama left office, as soon as the pandemic hit, because everything was fake and trump wears invisible clothes.

[Jibartik]

Trump is definitely definitely more conservative than Obama and Clinton and Carter of course. He's provably more conservative than either of the Bush liars. The jury is still out on Reagan. So the most conservative President of my lifetime. Wtf are you talking about?

I definitely think that your definition of conservative is different than mine.

Can you define for me? And give me example(s) of how trump does it better than those people? Because I dont see it.

I see him as a very radical president.

[FatherSioux]

So the global economy collapsed due to a pandemic, thats Trumps fault? So we would have seen the collapse without C19? Bold thing to claim in the middle of a great economy. Or was the booming economy because of work Obama did?

[Jibartik]

So the global economy collapsed due to a pandemic, thats Trumps fault? So we would have seen the collapse without C19? Bold thing to claim in the middle of a great economy. Or was the booming economy because of work Obama did?

No I'm saying that trumps spending compared to Obama's first year, show that trump had no reason to spend as much as he did and he almost matched the guy that had every reason to spend as much as he did because we were rebuilding during painful economic collapse.

I also grantee that if trump loses the Dow Jones will go down and stay down to around 24 or 26, because the economy around it during the Trump presidency is based on the contingent that he will continue to remain invulnerable while he does his radical swamp draining that is anything but conservative, and raking in huge amounts of money for the already wealthy in deregulation.

Its all a scam. It's emperors new clothes. Its temporary. And when it all comes crashing down, like it did at the end of Bush, and it will at the end of Trump, you'll blame the democrat who won the election.

[Jibartik]

lol I guess I just said "so lets just keep voting for trump forever or were doomed for a collapse" so I guess do that lol I dont care.

Just can we just call him out when he bold face lies and stop pretending hes right when he does? That's all I ask. Please dont try to convince me that he didn't suggest injecting disinfectant, and try to site all these examples about how maybe it could, when while you're aruging with people about that he comes out and said he was just joking.

plzzzzz can we just call him out instead of pretending he isnt full of shit, that's all I need to maintain sanity during all this.

Oh yeah and also with his antagonistic behavior, can he please stop it with that? I'm sick of thinking I am going to have to be in a civil war over this stupid crap.

[Jibartik]

(also bushes crash happened during bush so maybe perpetual motion(economy) isn't real after all)

[BarnabusCollins]

Verily, verily, I say unto you. The dead are not alive. And the Living One will never die.

[Patriam1066]

Enjoy (https://youtu.be/jrjI2X9TIZA)

Tell me more about how the financial epicenter of the world is in trouble because they "owe" fake money to the Chinese. The Chinese who don't produce anything but junk and steal IP. You like to peacock around here like you're an authority on world affairs and you repeatedly cow-tow to the CCP.

If you believe we're in trouble because of our trade deficit I suggest you look into why it's nearly impossible for the country who's currency is the standard globally to not run a deficit.

Iran was great once, it's a dump now because of folks like you who likely flocked to America for more opportunity instead of lifting up your own people. Bed, meet Patriam1066 zZzzzZZzzz

It had nothing to do with the United States toppling a duly elected prime minister in 1953. Give me a break. As for leaving, I was taken out of Iran by my parents to Pakistan, then the UAE, at age 9, because it wasn’t safe for bahais.

As for the trade deficit, that was a comment in response to “Trump is holding China accountable.” He is not. As for why we must run deficits, the “supply of currency” argument is one promoted by economists. The same group who explain why 0% interest is good. As ive posited, I do not believe housing prices being 10x the average wage (where we’re headed) is a good thing, that course being the consequence of 0% interest rates

Bottom line: Trump fixed zero of our long term issues, but he did introduce new violations of norms, like challenging elections. Interesting, since he was elected and had the house and senate for half of his first term. Those things are the first steps towards collapse of the system, as happened in Rome following the second Punic war.

If you were smarter, you’d realize people who believe the things you do destroyed Iran and will destroy America, and that someone like myself, who has witnessed one country collapse due to the stupidity and shortsightedness of Americans, doesn’t want to see another country fall. The institutions are absolutely critical. A president challenging the elections needs to be repudiated BIGLY

It’s immaterial. If the senate is lost, you’re going to either double down on Trumpism or realize how deeply unpopular it is. Then you have to decide whether you become a principled conservative or a dumb ass, who talks to an iranian about how Iran collapsed while conveniently ignoring a century of British and American policy designed to subjugate a people

Sima 2020

[Woke Locc]

Most of the Trump Deficit is from revenue cuts.

[BlackBellamy]

Can you define for me? And give me example(s) of how trump does it better than those people? Because I dont see it.

Lol no that's cool.

Or wait...

"Conservatism is what Trump does."

I think a circular definition a most useful tool against cherry-picking don't you think? It eliminates any "but what about this?" arguments gracefully. Like if I go 'here are six reasons why Trump is conservative' and you come back with 'here's one why he's not!', I can go 'see my definition' instead of spending tons of time arguing why those six things are way more important than your specific one example.

[Woke Locc]

Conservatism is when Trump does the things the GOP claims to want but really doesn't.

The base doesn't know any better.

[BlackBellamy]

Bottom line: Trump fixed zero of our long term issues,

Obama creating a long-term issue:

https://www.cnn.com/2016/08/03/politics/us-sends-plane-iran-400-million-cash/index.html

The money was flown into Iran on wooden pallets stacked with Swiss francs, euros and other currencies as the first installment of a $1.7 billion settlement resolving claims at an international tribunal at The Hague over a failed arms deal under the time of the Shah.

Trump fixing a long-term issue:

https://strategypage.com/on_point/20201020214731.aspx

In 2017, the Trump administration re-imposed economic sanctions with the goals of stopping Iran's nuclear weapons program and penalizing the regime's malign behavior, such as its vicious oppression of its own people, its waging of proxy wars, its engaging in transnational crime and its seeding violence globally.

U.S. sanctions have the devalued Iran's currency. StrategyPage.com recently reported that in 2015, one U.S. dollar bought 32,000 Iranian rials (open market rate). In September 2020, 260,000 rials bought a buck. Now it takes 315,000. Note Iranian companies importing food and medicine have a subsidized official exchange rate: 42,000 rials to the dollar.

The regime survived the arms embargo, but 2020 rials don't buy the guns they did in 2015. Sanctions have slashed the rial's war-making ability. Weapons aren't food and medicine. Russian and Chinese weapons suppliers expect hard cash or oil.

Analysts estimate Iran's GDP will shrink 8% this year.

Obama creating a long-term issue:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/17/world/asia/trump-north-korea-threat.html

Rather than negotiate, Mr. Obama imposed a policy of “strategic patience,” hoping that through sanctions and espionage, the United States could wait out the isolated state.

Mr. Obama hoped that the North would eventually feel it had reason to negotiate and make a good-faith effort at talks. Instead the North pursued its weapons program and launched a series of cyberattacks on American businesses, including Sony Pictures.

Trump fixing a long-term issue:

“Comrade Kim Jong Un, the State Affairs Commission chairman, feels very sorry to give big disappointment to President Moon Jae-in and South Korean citizens because an unexpected, unfortunate incident happened” Suh Hoon, adviser to South Korean President Moon Jae-in said, citing the North Korean apology.

It is highly uncommon for North Korea to apologize over any of its actions regarding South Korea, the wire service noted.


I just want to note for anyone not observant is that Obama capitulated on US sovereignty when dealing with a terrorist regime. Literally. Some court in the fucking Hague told him he should pay the Iranians because we kept their money after some pre-revolutionary Iran arms deal. And he was like yes sir! Here is a pallet of swiss franks on your tarmac. That fucking imbecile! He should have printed out this picture https://cdn.britannica.com/92/158492-050-276D9E70/hostage-American-captors-embassy-Iranian-Tehran-November-9-1979.jpg wrote FUCK YOU on it and sent that instead.

Trump did say fuck you and also assassinated their main asshole in public. Better? Worse? History will judge later, but I think I'm good.

[FatherSioux]

It had nothing to do with the United States toppling a duly elected prime minister in 1953. Give me a break. As for leaving, I was taken out of Iran by my parents to Pakistan, then the UAE, at age 9, because it wasn’t safe for bahais.

Please tell me how this example alone doesn't eliminate your comparisons to America, this isn't something that has happened to anyone living in the USA for over 100 Years. America is the greatest country to be born into or move to as any combination of gender/race/religion the world has ever known. Iran doesn't have a claim on that title in it's entire lengthy existence and quite likely has the claim on it's inverse for segments of it's existence.


As for the trade deficit, that was a comment in response to “Trump is holding China accountable.” He is not. As for why we must run deficits, the “supply of currency” argument is one promoted by economists. The same group who explain why 0% interest is good. As ive posited, I do not believe housing prices being 10x the average wage (where we’re headed) is a good thing, that course being the consequence of 0% interest rates

Is he doing everything right when it comes to China? Certainly not. Is he doing more than any other president in my lifetime? Yes, by far.

No one wants 0% interest rates, nice strawman.

Housing prices are not great globally but again, the US is not anything to get worried about on this front. Quit spreading lies or quit reading crap news.
Housing Market Facts across the globe (https://www.numbeo.com/property-investment/rankings_by_country.jsp?title=2020-mid&displayColumn=6)


Bottom line: Trump fixed zero of our long term issues,

We would have to agree on long-term issues before you start to throw this claim around.

But he did introduce new violations of norms, like challenging elections. Interesting, since he was elected and had the house and senate for half of his first term. Those things are the first steps towards collapse of the system, as happened in Rome following the second Punic war.

He has not challenged elections, this is yet another white supremacy line of faux news you eat up because you are just out here confirming your bias. Trump isn't the boogeyman. Do you think introducing an untested voting format in THIS election is a wise idea when there is no reason we can't hold mostly normal voting processes? If you are going to pretend mail in voting isn't ripe with opportunity to be exploited then you aren't to be taken seriously.

What about the left challenging norms? You know like men are men, women are women and 8 year olds shouldn't be allowed to change gender? You don't think that crap has far reach? Please.

If you were smarter, you’d realize people who believe the things you do destroyed Iran and will destroy America, and that someone like myself, who has witnessed one country collapse due to the stupidity and shortsightedness of Americans, doesn’t want to see another country fall. The institutions are absolutely critical. A president challenging the elections needs to be repudiated BIGLY

You speak of institutions, yet you aren't saying much about the left wanting to pack the court, expand the senate by adding states, removing the filibuster, using impeachment as a political tool. THOSE are institutions that if compromised could cause serious long-term issues. But sure, our President using crass language is going to destroy us. Makes sense.


It’s immaterial. If the senate is lost, you’re going to either double down on Trumpism or realize how deeply unpopular it is. Then you have to decide whether you become a principled conservative or a dumb ass, who talks to an iranian about how Iran collapsed while conveniently ignoring a century of British and American policy designed to subjugate a people

No you see that's not how politics work here. We don't end up falling apart because of our system in place. If your side loses you don't throw a fit, you accept it and move on because politics at the Federal level here has very little impact locally. This system has brought the globe out of poverty. World Hunger is essentially a non-issue now due to the West, primarily America. Sorry your state couldn't stand up to the changing times and refused to adapt. No one cares about Iran because they are a terrorist state lead by warlords. I suggest you hold onto your fond memories of the way it once was, but quit trying to draw parallels across the globe to why your home country got rolled over by violence.

[BlackBellamy]

Conservatism is when Trump does the things the GOP claims to want but really doesn't.

The base doesn't know any better.

The definition of whether one aligns with or practices conservatism, or any ideology really, is by preponderance of the evidence, not beyond reasonable doubt.

Could you be a Nazi and still love the Jews? Of course you can if you just do all the other Nazi things except for that...one thing. You won't be a perfect Nazi but you can still come to the rally.

As a matter of fact that's what happened. Hitler gave out special dispensation to mischlinge (hybrids) so they could continue to be Nazis in good standing. Ask Field Marshal Erhard Milch and General der Flieger Helmuth Wilberg about their Jewish blood, magically wiped away.

If you could be a Jewish Nazi surely you can be a Deficit Conservative.

You're just not perfect. But that's ok because conservatives are inclusive like that.

Here's inclusivity ranked:

1) Conservative Republicans.
2) Other Republicans.
3) The Nazis.
...
17) The Democrat Party and other Communists.

[Raev]

Tell me more about how the financial epicenter of the world is in trouble because they "owe" fake money to the Chinese. The Chinese who don't produce anything but junk and steal IP. You like to peacock around here like you're an authority on world affairs and you repeatedly cow-tow to the CCP.

JP is great and I wish everyone was watching him. However, the idea that we "owe" fake money to China is very seriously wrong. Imagine you got paid $20 trillion. Do you let that money sit in a non-interest bearing checking account? Of course not. You buy stocks and bonds. For comparison, the total value of the S&P is $27 trillion. So what we "owe" China (actually only the CCP crooks at the top) is probably some half of our stock and bond market.

If you believe we're in trouble because of our trade deficit I suggest you look into why it's nearly impossible for the country who's currency is the standard globally to not run a deficit.

Triffin's Paradox! You are on the right track here! But if this is a game that we are guaranteed to lose, why should we play when we have the clear alternative of the gold standard? Patriam is 100% right when he talks about the financial problems Trump is deliberately making worse. This is the planned destruction of the USD, and when it finishes the US becomes Brazil economically.

Unfortunately, the actions of the banking cartel are just very difficult to understand.

[FatherSioux]

Let me ask, Raev and Patriam do you subscribe to the Jewish eschatology force being the most influential force globally?

[Woke Locc]

Obama creating a long-term issue:

https://www.cnn.com/2016/08/03/politics/us-sends-plane-iran-400-million-cash/index.html

I just want to note for anyone not observant is that Obama capitulated on US sovereignty when dealing with a terrorist regime. Literally. Some court in the fucking Hague told him he should pay the Iranians because we kept their money after some pre-revolutionary Iran arms deal. And he was like yes sir! Here is a pallet of swiss franks on your tarmac. That fucking imbecile! He should have printed out this picture https://cdn.britannica.com/92/158492-050-276D9E70/hostage-American-captors-embassy-Iranian-Tehran-November-9-1979.jpg wrote FUCK YOU on it and sent that instead.

Trump did say fuck you and also assassinated their main asshole in public. Better? Worse? History will judge later, but I think I'm good.

Obama was fostering the institutions of the Western order for stewardship. Like Batman, we don't want to police the world forever, so we have apprentices.

Dems sure love grooming tho

[BlackBellamy]

But I saw that amazing rant by Anton Scalia, where he was like, "every banana republic in the world has a bill of rights, what sets America apart is our judicial, executive, and legislative branches being separate and that is protected in the constitution."

...It is the constitution that would "protect the bill of rights" and that's what sets us apart. (And it's why the "living document" aspect works too.)...

...Because they didnt have the 3 branches of goverment the way we do and a constitution that protects them.


Sorry, I was going to get back to this earlier but it's tough to beat up an icon like Scalia so I had to compose myself.

Scalia was dead wrong.

His main thesis comes midway through his speech -- "So, the real key to the distinctiveness of America is the structure of our government." Then he goes on to describe the branches and so forth.

Here is the real key:

The only reason America exists is because the people believe. A structure means nothing without a culture that cherishes it. Written promises, however numerous and complicated, are made worthless without a core belief that it is the nature of government to serve it's citizens.

I don't know what happened to Scalia there, perhaps he was microing and the speech was out of context, or maybe he was addressing third-graders with the basics, because he surely knows that. No amount of rights and branches and structure and will protect the Republic if the people become weak and start to worship idols. It doesn't matter if your legislature is bi-cameral or tri-camelot; it can delay the decay but the end result is the same.

Everything flows from the belief that we have created the most just and progressive society on earth in order to serve the people to achieve happiness (which by the way we specifically included as a written action item just to make sure everyone knew). Protecting that belief is so much more important than any mechanical issues.

I'm not being ideological. This just flows from the foundation. If we all got together in the beginning and said 'ok all these governments are bad let's make a new one and this one will be better, so let's have a roundtable and throw around some suggestions' and then we came up with some models and decided which one was logically better for the people and we settled on that, then the structure would be very important and would serve as the primary basis for the existence of the nation.

But that's not what happened. I mean yes, that conversation did take place, but that was after all the impassioned feelings. It wasn't the basis. The basis was "we don't need no King" and "aargh!". It was feelings. It was idealism. Irrational exuberant idealism. They hammered out the structure later. That's why protecting the belief in American Exceptionalism is so important, more than anything toward preserving this nation. Because it really is all we got. The structure is smoke and mirrors, designed to make us think there's something more so we don't panic.

[kaizersoze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGz3QgsCisY

[FatherSioux]

The basis was "we don't need no King" and "aargh!". It was feelings. It was idealism. Irrational exuberant idealism. They hammered out the structure later. That's why protecting the belief in American Exceptionalism is so important, more than anything toward preserving this nation. Because it really is all we got. The structure is smoke and mirrors, designed to make us think there's something more so we don't panic.

Beautiful

[FatherSioux]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGz3QgsCisY

Replace Trump with media and this is spot on.

What a terrible video, honestly.

[Raev]

Let me ask, Raev and Patriam do you subscribe to the Jewish eschatology force being the most influential force globally?

Most? No. However, the Jews punch far above their weight because they are so unified and their religion is so focused on material success (however, one must be careful here, because most of the people who call themselves Jews aren't actually the descendants of the biblical Jews, who are mostly Orthodox). At any rate, although Jews compose just 2% of the population, 50% of the most recent Fed chairmen were Jewish (Bernanke, Greenspan, Burns). Until one month ago, 33% of the Supreme Court was Jewish (Kagan, Breyer, Ginsburg). Hollywood was literally created by Jews (https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/jews-in-hollywood-1930-1950/) including Goldwyn-Mayer and the Warner Brothers.

Put simply, I believe that the mostly Satanic European elites invited the Jews into their nominally Christian countries (Agobard of Lyons story is quite revealing) to oppress their peasants. It's always easier to oppress someone of a different race and religion, and the Jews could be periodically be expelled/exterminated/persecuted when the peasants got tired of things. However, owing to their aforementioned unity the Jews have been gradually taking over the Satanic institutions (e.g. the Jesuits are crypto-Jews, and now control the Catholic Church). My guess is that Trump vs the Democrats conflict is really the Jewish vs the Satanic crime families under the surface.

However, in the end I don't think it matters much. The world has always been run by Satanists of one flavor or another simply because they (foolishly) think it will make them happy.

[Castle2.0]

Joe is done :cool: Corruption in plain sight.

Pretzealot hiding in his bunker like his great leader?

[Jibartik]

Like if I go 'here are six reasons why Trump is conservative' and you come back with 'here's one why he's not!',

I promise I wont do that, if you can honestly list 6 surefire examples of his actions being conservative and why they are.

The only reason America exists is because the people believe. A structure means nothing without a culture that cherishes it. Written promises, however numerous and complicated, are made worthless without a core belief that it is the nature of government to serve it's citizens.

Communists believed in their system.

Our constitution and branches of our goverment protect our beliefs.

If it was beliefs what kept the bill of rights intact we would have gotten rid of the 2a a long time ago.

The idea that you think a socialist doesn't want a goverment that's core belief is to serve its citizens is almost insane to me.

[BarnabusCollins]

...'nature of government to serve' itself from 'it's citizens' dinnerplates.

[FatherSioux]

I promise I wont do that, if you can honestly list 6 surefire examples of his actions being conservative and why they are.

I'll get BB started with a few, Gorsuch,Kavanaugh and Barrett. That gets him to three, I think he can come up with three.

[Patriam1066]

So let the Armenians die AND starve iranians into submission. Great foreign policy guys

You created an undemocratic Iran. You might as well bomb it and get it over with. They’ll never submit

As for it being “the worst place to move to,” Iran has taken 100,000 Christian refugees from Syria, Armenia, and Iraq. It’s easily a more tolerant country than our current Muslim allies. But whatever, that has little and less to do with Trump being a dumb ass who is about to tank the GOP and usher in the most liberal congress since FDR. Maybe you guys will learn when you see actual liberal policies enacted, instead of the milquetoast centrism under Obama

[BarnabusCollins]

Biden is gonna win. Taxes are gonna incr. 4 trillion. Glad im a illegal.

[Patriam1066]

Donald trump: ducked military service, doesn’t pay taxes, and delegitimizes the elections

The cock sucker trifecta!!! SAD!

[Patriam1066]

Fathersioux and Bellamy, what size ball can you suck through a garden hose? Golf? Tennis?

[Jibartik]

It seems that there is a faction of "American exceptionalists" ITT, that think that people like me, hate America and are hindering its exceptionality. And the only thing stopping us from destroying this country, isn't our branches of goverment, it's us spreading our "ideas"....

And you wonder why Trump supporters get called nazis? lol

[FatherSioux]

As for it being “the worst place to move to,”

Things I never said for $500 Alex.

[Jibartik]

By the way good morning ya'll. :o

[Jibartik]

This will really piss some of you off hehe https://youtu.be/eK_l_eVGByk

[FatherSioux]

It seems that there is a faction of "American exceptionalists" ITT, that think that people like me, hate America and are hindering its exceptionality. And the only thing stopping us from destroying this country, isn't our branches of goverment, it's us spreading our "ideas"....

And you wonder why Trump supporters get called nazis? lol

You don’t seem to be apart of the problem directly. But you do have some stake it supporting the ideas those of us who want America to continue claim are eroding America. Your example of Trump supporters being nazis is a good point to bring up. Deteriorating vocabulary so that 50% of America thinks the other 50 are nazis? That’s a bogus tactic and a low level attack.

Racism now means you have to actively fight against racism in prescribed actions, otherwise you’re racist. Court packing now means appointing judges in the same way all other presidents have? This is all very damaging and is absolutely a tactic of oppressive and controlling governments.

[Jibartik]

You don’t seem to be apart of the problem directly. But you do have some stake it supporting the ideas those of us who want America to continue claim are eroding America. Your example of Trump supporters being nazis is a good point to bring up. Deteriorating vocabulary so that 50% of America thinks the other 50 are nazis? That’s a bogus tactic and a low level attack.

I agree, but I dont actively support people that also engage in that. If you'll notice Ive made no claims as to who is better than trump, I am just calling him out for the same things I call out those idiots on CNN and Racheal Maddow and the View for.

I think that trump supporters give him a pass but then call out the left for it. That's what irks me. I go back to my spade a spade stance. Trump did not handle the pandemic well, I dont think you have to say he did to still support him either. He's also radical, and I think that's objective.

[kjs86z]

Everything is racist if you're a lefty loon.

Are facts racist? You tell me.

https://i.imgur.com/FkQncV6.jpg

[Jibartik]

Can we avoid this topic full stop please, we do not need to turn every discussion about trump into "_____ race does better than ______ race." ...while you sit there and not see that you're just proving the liberals right.

[FatherSioux]

Trump did not handle the pandemic well, I dont think you have to say he did to still support him either. He's also radical, and I think that's objective.

How you claim to be objective and judge him from an unbias position doesn't balance. I'm not claiming he did everything perfect but you need to keep this in mind. We're still in this pandemic right? How anyone can pretend to have done better is beyond me. This is like a coach being judged by his first half, or first quarter, or first 5 minutes. We likely won't know for year how each country and more importantly which approaches to this pandemic were effective. The data changes because we're still playing the game.

The objective and reasonable stance to take on Covid is that this is unprecedented and I wouldn't want to be in a position of power during this time. But to pretend that there is some magic solution that Trump ignored is just false. Globally we are learning how to handle something like this in the modern world.

[Jibartik]

You're telling me you think he's doing a great job rn? Economy is strong as ever, unemployment is just on lock, as soon as we lift the social distancing restrictions everything will just fire on all cylinders? Nobody who has any problems with their situation with the economy right now has anyone to blame but themselves?

The reason I ask you this is because that's been trumps solution to the pandemic, he has fought against every single thing that could be done about it, because he thinks that it's all bullshit. And here I am surrounded by people struggling and everyone upset and no end in sight and no one even knows if masks work, and you think that's handling it well?

You want me to list the 500 things he's done and said over the last year? That's so unfair. This is my entire argument, there are like countless examples of him being a huge idiot about this whole thing, and you cant even admit it and that's my whole argument.

[Jibartik]

But to pretend that there is some magic solution that Trump ignored is just false.

Completely ignores pandemic response https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-admin-ignored-obama-era-nsc-pandemic-prep-document-politico-2020-3

“when we get into April, in the warmer weather—that has a very negative effect on that, and that type of a virus.” ...nobody believed this but him. But he said it in defiance of early lockdown restrictions.

Trump says it will just disappear, people demand to remove pandemic response restrictions, infection rates in states where they did rises: https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/28/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-miracle-stock-markets/index.html

Trump creates a theory that there will be more suicides than covid deaths this is again something he made up. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-vice-president-pence-members-coronavirus-task-force-press-briefing-9/

Canceling stimulus talks to use it as a tool for the election.

Canceling stimulus talks to push supreme court nomination through.

I mean I could go on and on here, there are countless mistakes this man has made that increased our infection rates and made lock downs longer and more uncertain and created a more turbulent economy.

If you cant call a spade a spade here, then you're following a prophet, not a politician.

[Castle2.0]

There is a well-established correlation to GDP and suicide. Google it.

Also, Pelosi refuses stimulus without all the extra BS they want. They won't do a pared down version. Trump negotiates to get stimulus done, Nancy negotiates to get her lefty loony wishlist. Hope you have the objectivity to see the difference.

[FatherSioux]

Again, I’m not saying it’s been perfect and without issues. Trump saying dumb shit isn’t news anymore. Show me things he could have done. Show me the magic fix we’re not doing. Waiving your arms around like a child whenever he says something that you can disagree with isn’t productive.

Him NOT using this to expand the executive branch’s power. Him shutting down travel early. Him not nationalizing the response effort is good. His ability to aid and supplement the states with PPE and ventilators were all great. Him sending navy boats and aiding the construction of temporary hospitals was good.

Him getting into spats with Fauci isn’t a good look. Him not wearing a mask more than he did early was bad. Him speaking on things he doesn’t understand isn’t good(UV Light). But none of that in my view has had any real impact on actual deaths.

You simply cannot place the delay of the stimulus on him. That has been Pelosi and the Democrats through and through. Which is typical of them, tell us they are for the working man and then delay aid because the deal isn’t exactly what Pelosi wanted.


Another thing, you can’t pretend the relentless accusations about him, the fraudulent investigations aren’t to blame in part for how he acts toward the media and the left.

[Jibartik]

Show me things he could have done. Show me the magic fix we’re not doing.

https://i.imgur.com/LNlDYpj.png

Another thing, you can’t pretend the relentless accusations about him, the fraudulent investigations aren’t to blame in part for how he acts toward the media and the left.

I don't, but why he got his unleaderlike quality, isn't why I care that it's unleaderlike.

When russiagate was a thing I said "this is just leftist obamamuslimgate" now huntergate is a thing and Im like "this is just rightist russiagate"

My best advice is to stay away from these "gates".

[FatherSioux]

How should the President force social distancing?
He should force ventilation? How? To whom? Who pays?
State issue, good he didn't force a national mandate.
Yes, lets have the Government remind people to wash their hands. Right.
Our testing has and continues to be well above average.
Contact tracing lol...this is a fairy tale
State issue, but again, why are you looking to the president to do these things?

[Jibartik]

You simply cannot place the delay of the stimulus on him. That has been Pelosi and the Democrats through and through. Which is typical of them, tell us they are for the working man and then delay aid because the deal isn’t exactly what Pelosi wanted

but: https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackfriedman/2020/09/20/stimulus-bill-supreme-court-vote/#3e819ebf3930

[douglas1999]

I don't, but why he got his unleaderlike quality, isn't why I care that it's unleaderlike.

When russiagate was a thing I said "this is just leftist obamamuslimgate" now huntergate is a thing and Im like "this is just rightist russiagate"

My best advice is to stay away from these "gates".

Russiagate was investigated for literally his entire first term and failed every time to turn up any concrete evidence, as was admitted by people who don't even like him doing the investigations.

The hunter biden thing has more and more concrete evidence to support it every day, it is not conspiratorial, and is extremely germain to the election. I'd like to know if one of the candidates is an extremely corrupt establishment politician who speaks almost entirely in platitudes. Now you can argue it's transparently obvious that they are strategically deploying the evidence *now* when the election is right around the corner, and that's kinda slimy, and I agree with that.

Also with that swiss cheese example, surely forcibly locking people in their houses for a year would be the best measure? But he can't do that, because it's unconstitutional. He also can't necessarily do all of those things, because he can't just decree things like a magic king. As much as people like to call him a "fascist", the architecture of our political system literally prevents the president from becoming that. That was the whole idea with three branches of government and state sovereignty.

[Jibartik]

How should the President force social distancing?

By not telling people it's not helpful and the virus is fake and will go away


He should force ventilation? How? To whom? Who pays?

I wasnt being 100% literal but a little humorous, but if you insist, sure he should supply all small buisnesses with a special tax write off for Hvac upgrades to their buisnesses during pandemic, why NOT?? create jobs anyone?


State issue, good he didn't force a national mandate.

Trump should have told people to calm down and act ratoinal not pretend this was communsim. Im just saying that is leadership.


Yes, lets have the Government remind people to wash their hands. Right.

We had them telling them to drink bleech and masks dont work bruh yes, lets have the goverment tell us to not freak out about being asked to wash your hands because clearly lying to us is important enough to prevent us from panicking but telling us to argue and fight with each other will keep us calm and things certain :rolleyes:


Our testing has and continues to be well above average.

This is false. Here is a link: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/international-comparison

Thing is, I don't need one, I have eyes and was here, and we did a crap job of testing and if you disagree thats because you don't care about testing and think what we did was fine.


Contact tracing lol...this is a fairy tale

your imagined image of it is. But contract tracing is litreally what we're doing anyway despite trump making you think that it's communsim.


State issue, but again, why are you looking to the president to do these things?

idk Im not looking at the meme while I waste my time arguing about the same thing you and I were arguing about on page 50 ITT so what is the point?

[Jibartik]

Also with that swiss cheese example, surely forcibly locking people in their houses for a year would be the best measure?

No. I dont believe in authoritarianism just because you do.

[BlackBellamy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGz3QgsCisY

These are hilarious, it's like hey guys this is what we think Republicans would say about Trump if they were dumb and badly lit like us.

Reason number 84:

ALMOST STARTED WW3

https://imgur.com/v5BLaH1.jpg

Do you know how close we came? Just take a look at the space between his fingers.

Jesus Christ! I didn't know it was that bad! I just need a couple of more reasons and I'm switching my vote for sure!

[Jibartik]

These are hilarious, it's like hey guys this is what we think Republicans would say about Trump if they were dumb and badly lit like us.

Reason number 84:

ALMOST STARTED WW3

https://imgur.com/v5BLaH1.jpg

Do you know how close we came? Just take a look at the space between his fingers.

Jesus Christ! I didn't know it was that bad! I just need a couple of more reasons and I'm switching my vote for sure!

Pat Robertson says that he has been told by God that Trump will win reelection ... and it will bring about the beginning of the End Times.

So there's still hope!

[BlackBellamy]

But he can't do that, because it's unconstitutional. He also can't necessarily do all of those things, because he can't just decree things like a magic king. As much as people like to call him a "fascist", the architecture of our political system literally prevents the president from becoming that. That was the whole idea with three branches of government and state sovereignty.

Paging Jibartnik: A conservative would resist the expansion of power during an emergency, fearing the powers would become permanent and reduce our federal republic to an executive state. You wanted an example here is one from someone else since I guess you missed a more complete list I produced earlier (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3196018&postcount=1474).

[Jibartik]

You just dont do that mr president, it isnt cool! (https://twitter.com/RightWingWatch/status/1267891912910012417?s=20)

Im glad pat finally found jesus.

btw to answer your page, the link is how a conservative acts.

[BlackBellamy]

Six Reasons To Vote For Trump:

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1318222044933206016

[douglas1999]

No. I dont believe in authoritarianism just because you do.

Nice zing, it was obviously a rhetorical question and you know that. It follows logically from the swiss cheese example. I'm saying many of those things *are* authoritarian, he legally cannot impose them by decree. Yet you're suggesting he is to blame for not imposing them? And then also saying you don't like authoritarianism? You've gotta the see the internal contradiction in that.

Also he never said it was "fake". There are like a billion statements of him acknowledging the danger. Please find me the clip where he said it was fake. Also people act like he just makes statements himself; he's the president, he's surrounded by medical advisers that relay relevant information about the pandemic to him, and then because he's not very articulate he botches them when answering press core questions off the cuff. Totally worth criticizing him for those type of things. It's not even remotely fair however to say that he's "responsible for 200k deaths". That's absurd and hyperbolic and partisan, and it's a central line to the democratic campaign rhetoric.

And, still, the extremely low mortality rate for this virus VS the economic impact is the central question. Now people are even trying to pass the buck on that to trump "well the lockdowns are necessary because you did such a bad job mister!" Like get real, every single state and local economy hardest hit by lockdowns is democratically governed. It's just like when they say the rioting is "on trumps watch". Like okay, that's a pretty easy game to play. Here watch: Everything bad that happened in the country during Obama's two terms is Obama's fault. See, it's a magic trick!

[Castle2.0]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8860133/US-drug-overdoses-appear-rise-amid-coronavirus-pandemic.html

US overdose deaths on track to hit an all-time high amid the 2020 pandemic: Drug fatalities have surged by at least 19% in Connecticut, 28% in Colorado and 30% in Kentucky, report finds

[Jibartik]

Nice zing, it was obviously a rhetorical question and you know that. It follows logically from the swiss cheese example. I'm saying many of those things *are* authoritarian, he legally cannot impose them by decree. Yet you're suggesting he is to blame for not imposing them? And then also saying you don't like authoritarianism? You've gotta the see the internal contradiction in that.

Also he never said it was "fake". There are like a billion statements of him acknowledging the danger. Please find me the clip where he said it was fake. Also people act like he just makes statements himself; he's the president, he's surrounded by medical advisers that relay relevant information about the pandemic to him, and then because he's not very articulate he botches them when answering press core questions off the cuff. Totally worth criticizing him for those type of things. It's not even remotely fair however to say that he's "responsible for 200k deaths". That's absurd and hyperbolic and partisan, and it's a central line to the democratic campaign rhetoric.

And, still, the extremely low mortality rate for this virus VS the economic impact is the central question. Now people are even trying to pass the buck on that to trump "well the lockdowns are necessary because you did such a bad job mister!" Like get real, every single state and local economy hardest hit by lockdowns is democratically governed. It's just like when they say the rioting is "on trumps watch". Like okay, that's a pretty easy game to play. Here watch: Everything bad that happened in the country during Obama's two terms is Obama's fault. See, it's a magic trick!



No no no, it is not logical to follow every example to its extreme.

Oh you want to clean your living room?? Whats next, you're going to quit your job and start sweeping the whole city, then start creating an enforcement mob that goes door to door and forces each person to clean and quit their jobs and take their kids to put them into cleaning camps??

NO

I just want to clean my friggin living room.

You never have listened to anything ive said ever.

[Woke Locc]

Small correction: Pelosi and Mnuchin(Trump) are very near to a stimulus deal, which McConnell has sworn to never bring to a vote.

This is all very Constitutional

[Jibartik]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8860133/US-drug-overdoses-appear-rise-amid-coronavirus-pandemic.html

US overdose deaths on track to hit an all-time high amid the 2020 pandemic: Drug fatalities have surged by at least 19% in Connecticut, 28% in Colorado and 30% in Kentucky, report finds

You dont care about any of that at all.

[douglas1999]

No no no, it is not logical to follow every example to its extreme.

Oh you want to clean your living room?? Whats next, you're going to quit your job and start sweeping the whole city, then start creating an enforcement mob that goes door to door and forces each person to clean and quit their jobs and take their kids to put them into cleaning camps??

NO

I just want to clean my friggin living room.

You never have listened to anything ive said ever.

It's a reductio ad absurdum, you take the apparent logic of something and point out the extreme example in order to point out an internal inconsistency of the original argument. I was not saying locking people in their homes is good, I was saying it would be illegal for the president to do, much like many of the things in the swiss cheese example. It therefore makes no sense to blame him for not doing them. If you are going to blame him for not doing them, *you* are the one arguing for authoritarianism.

And I do listen to everything you say, I like responding to your posts I'm not trying to be hostile to you.

[Jibartik]

But i have explained in very clear terms why to take covid restrictions and apply it to influenza is both irrational on both a medical/scientific level, but also on a political and rational level.

Like so many times, so it bums me out when you say the logical conclusion of me wanting masks is to take my argument to it's absurd, after we've gone through all that!

Again to be clear, what you are accusing me of being authoritarian is the president using this language. "Masks will really have the best impact on us controlling this outbreak, so we can open our economy up sooner, get the schools open, and get us out there continuing to build the greatest economy in the world! So stand back (6 feet) and stand by (with a mask on)!"

That is all I wanted the president to say during this friggen last year.

[FatherSioux]

It's a reductio ad absurdum, you take the apparent logic of something and point out the extreme example in order to point out an internal inconsistency of the original argument. I was not saying locking people in their homes is good, I was saying it would be illegal for the president to do, much like many of the things in the swiss cheese example. It therefore makes no sense to blame him for not doing them. If you are going to blame him for not doing them, *you* are the one arguing for authoritarianism.

And I do listen to everything you say, I like responding to your posts I'm not trying to be hostile to you.

Also better known as Nut-picking

[FatherSioux]

Covid stats from CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html#:~:text=The%20overall%20cumulative%20CO VID%2D19,was%20188.2%20per%20100%2C000%20populatio n.)

Starting in week 30 of 2020

17
17.1
16.7
15.7
14.5
13.6
12.6
12
11.3
11.1
9.7
7.2

% Death rate due to PIC(Pneumonia, Influenza or KungFlu)

Clearly on the decline, yet we don't hear this good news. It's almost like there is a narrative being pushed that isn't matching reality.

[douglas1999]

But i have explained in very clear terms why to take covid restrictions and apply it to influenza is both irrational on both a medical/scientific level, but also on a political and rational level.

Like so many times, so it bums me out when you say the logical conclusion of me wanting masks is to take my argument to it's absurd, after we've gone through all that!

Again to be clear, what you are accusing me of being authoritarian is the president using this language. "Masks will really have the best impact on us controlling this outbreak, so we can open our economy up sooner, get the schools open, and get us out there continuing to build the greatest economy in the world! So stand back (6 feet) and stand by (with a mask on)!"

That is all I wanted the president to say during this friggen last year.

Yeah and that is reasonable, but the effective of masks is not definitely shown. At first, even fauci was saying not to use them, that they only offer minor protection and that a mass rush on buying them by the general population would deplete the supply for essential workers, who arguably need them more. I think that this is true, because infection rates in other countries who *have* had hard imposed masking mandates, have still seen infections on par with the US and in many cases more. Masks don't seem to help very much at all, but I personally still wear one cause it takes two seconds and I don't want to get screamed at by the mask gestapo in public.

My main gripe is with lockdowns, and that's why I keep bringing up the flu comparison. Covid is, thankfully, proving to be less lethal as we understand more about it than the flu by many metrics. Economic lockdowns have already permanently shuttered tens of thousands of small businesses, and have only enriched major corporations like walmart and amazon even further. You can't support local businesses if they all close. So, even assuming covid is more dangerous than the flu, the question becomes how *much* more dangerous is it, and are the economic impacts of lockdowns somehow sensible collateral damage? On top of the increased suicides and drug overdoses and alcoholism, which further tax the medical system? I think those are extremely important questions, but the news cycle at the moment treats donald trump and literally anything he does as the work of the devil, and anything democrats do as the work of benevolence. The left is becoming a creepy, pseudo-religion and it's driving me further and further away. If trump cured cancer, rather than saying "Ya know I don't like him but... that was a pretty good achievement curing cancer and all" like a sane decent person, Pelosi would be on TV frothing at the mouth saying "Why didn't he do it sooner!! If Joe Biden had been in office, we would have cured cancer four years ago!!".

[Jibartik]

we already talked about fauci that was because the messaging from the white house was not to panic, hnnngggg

ckdowns have already permanently shuttered tens of thousands of small businesses, and have only enriched major corporations like walmart and amazon even further. You can't support local businesses if they all close. So, even assuming covid is more dangerous than the flu, the question becomes how *much* more dangerous is it, and are the economic impacts of lockdowns somehow sensible collateral damage? On top of the increased suicides and drug overdoses and alcoholism, which further tax the medical system? I think those are extremely important questions, but the news cycle at the moment treats donald trump and literally anything he does as the work of the devil, and anything democrats do as the work of benevolence. The left is becoming a creepy

dude, my argument this whole time was we have not been able to deal with any of that because the messaging from the white house was anyone who believed in this was a libtard!

All that stuff is "what happens when disaster strikes" and it is also "all of the stuff that is the presidents job to make sure we dont panic set in and we riot for 100 days"

if you want to go on about "the presidents job" no dont.

he is our leader, and he led us by saying "everyone panic because everything is a mirage, and I'm going to lie to you so you dont panic" all so the economy would not collapse, and it did anyway.

I have said that more than once to you ITT!

[BlackBellamy]

It's a reductio ad absurdum, you take the apparent logic of something and point out the extreme example in order to point out an internal inconsistency of the original argument.

I mentioned it before, it's an appeal to purity. He claims you took an extreme position and argues against that. You can tell people do that when they restate the claim in their opening, like when they say "so what you're saying..." and then they gaslight you about what you claimed.

It's similar to Patriam going "oh so we should withdraw from the world" when I said we didn't have any international problems to solve.

I don't think it's particularly insulting to say argument techniques like that are immature.

It's naive to think you can overcome the basis of someone's ideological argument by providing a 'gotcha' example. You're insulting the intelligence of your opponent because you're basically accusing them of having such a basic or incomplete understanding of their own position that they are now vulnerable to such a basic attack.

Like I've been a conservative for three decades and I'm going to listen as someone tries to explain the basic tenets to me and convince me I'm wrong about the thing I've really thought long and hard about.

[Jibartik]

So you're saying me asking you to defend yourself against a claim that I say you support, is me gas lighting you, but you telling me I am a draconian communist because I think masks during a pandemic should be widely encouraged isnt?

Im just being humorous, but I seriously dont think you are conservative, I think you are more radical than conservative, I don't think trump is conservative, I don't think he is even close to it, he's radical.

You may share opinions on the left, and society, and religion with various sects of conservatives, but to argue that trump is conservative is just changing what conservative means.

You cant give me 6 examples about why you think trump is conservative. And why the way he went about doing it followed conservative values.

Ive given like 100 examples as to why we should wear masks lol

[Morton Jr]

So let the Armenians die AND starve iranians into submission. Great foreign policy guys

You created an undemocratic Iran. You might as well bomb it and get it over with. They’ll never submit

As for it being “the worst place to move to,” Iran has taken 100,000 Christian refugees from Syria, Armenia, and Iraq. It’s easily a more tolerant country than our current Muslim allies. But whatever, that has little and less to do with Trump being a dumb ass who is about to tank the GOP and usher in the most liberal congress since FDR. Maybe you guys will learn when you see actual liberal policies enacted, instead of the milquetoast centrism under Obama

Not our business dude, none of that shit.

[Woke Locc]

I mentioned it before, it's an appeal to purity. He claims you took an extreme position and argues against that. You can tell people do that when they restate the claim in their opening, like when they say "so what you're saying..." and then they gaslight you about what you claimed.

It's similar to Patriam going "oh so we should withdraw from the world" when I said we didn't have any international problems to solve.

I don't think it's particularly insulting to say argument techniques like that are immature.

It's naive to think you can overcome the basis of someone's ideological argument by providing a 'gotcha' example. You're insulting the intelligence of your opponent because you're basically accusing them of having such a basic or incomplete understanding of their own position that they are now vulnerable to such a basic attack.

Like I've been a conservative for three decades and I'm going to listen as someone tries to explain the basic tenets to me and convince me I'm wrong about the thing I've really thought long and hard about.

Need to resurrect Bill Buttley to exile y'all Birchers again:cool:

DOVAHKIIIIIIN

[FatherSioux]

Jib have you defined what you believe is conservative? Can you give a few examples of past actions presidents have made that are conservative?

[Jibartik]

Here is six things I think make him radical

Trump has broken with some U.S. postwar traditions. - this is a very beat of a different drummer way to do things, and its a riskey move, its hardly something the conservatives would have ever fought for before trump. It's a new fresh take.

Burns through military leaders like they're yule logs - When maddog goes up, everyone cheers, when maddog goes down, everyone jeers.

He uses twitter - he is no holds bard (I have no idea how to use that phrase I just realied) he has no restraint with his public outreach, he'll say anything and walk it back wherever you ask him to, he has no filter.

He drone striked an iranian general despite being told not to - I mean come on that is as radical as it gets sans a skateboard.

Abraham accords - this is like, so left field the world is scrambling to keep up with it.

Draining the swamp - this is about as radical as it gets!

[Jibartik]

Jib have you defined what you believe is conservative? Can you give a few examples of past actions presidents have made that are conservative?

Yeah conservatism is about holding traditional values, not embracing new ones. Trump is all about new ideas, new ways to do things, they just are branded as traditional. He wants to do business with leaders around the world in whole new ways, and turn us into isolationists, that's not unique to conservativism too, sanders wanted us to be isolationists too!

Conservativism takes every day realism and applies it to politics.

It's not like some cross you burn into your chest, that's what people seem to mix up.

You're like progressive libertarians, you want libertarian values, on a progressive's scale. Which is why I conced you guys are maybe actually libertarians, but id call you radical libertarians.

Edit: As for traditional values as examples from former presidents: Idk maybe I am wrong.. every republican since Nixon pretty much was radial.

I guess I consider democrats to be conservative.

So yeah, ok here's my ruling: Trump is a radical libertarian, democrats are conservatives, and everyone else has had it with you two lol

[BlackBellamy]

For everyone discussing Covid myself included please note that we all have the benefit of hindsight that almost no one who was making any decisions had in February or March.

I want to remind everyone that in the early part of the year almost no one had any idea what was going on and if you remember the general media and political sentiment varied wildly from one day to the next as people seized upon founded and unfounded fears and hopes.

Having said that, this is what happened:

Chinese virologist Yan Li-meng found proof of human-to-human transmission, how virulent it was, and that her own government was suppressing the information. Horrified, she tried to raise awareness but was threatened with death. She fled to the US in April.

But...before that, she contacted a Chinese blogger trying to get the word out (he's the one that advised her to flee to the US) and the Chinese blogger contacted Steve Bannon because they shared some friends. Bannon passed the Yan Li-meng information to Trump so Trump could decide for himself. Trump gathered his top men and everyone decided that while they couldn't be sure if the Yan Li-meng documents were real, many of the claims were being rapidly confirmed by independent observation. Appraised of the waning stock of PPE and the general unreadiness of the US healthcare system to deal with what could be a very virulent episode, Trump decided not to disseminate the Yan Li-meng information at that time and play the virus down to prevent any panic should the documents become public anyway. Immediately after, he began to restrict Chinese travel and started to get the PPE/ventilator industry going as hard as it could because he understood the chokepoint, to use an ungraceful analogy, was the hardware and the hospitals, not whether people went out or washed their hands because if the virulence was what was being claimed, that would not matter much.

But the virus was not that virulent after all. I mean yeah somewhat contagious, but lets all admit it - the death rate is a fraction of what we thought it was, and also importantly a fraction of what it was in the beginning.

Was Yan Li-meng a CCP plant after all? Did she and her documents arrive to panic us all when the CCP knew it wasn't that bad? Those are valid questions to ask, but now we know China was completely freaked out by this too at the time and we know for a fact they had a much higher death rate than they admit. So maybe she was just a humanitarian trying to do the right thing.

Steve Bannon told me all this. We hang out.

[Woke Locc]

For everyone discussing Covid myself included please note that we all have the benefit of hindsight that almost no one who was making any decisions had in February or March.

I want to remind everyone that in the early part of the year almost no one had any idea what was going on and if you remember the general media and political sentiment varied wildly from one day to the next as people seized upon founded and unfounded fears and hopes.

Having said that, this is what happened:

Chinese virologist Yan Li-meng found proof of human-to-human transmission, how virulent it was, and that her own government was suppressing the information. Horrified, she tried to raise awareness but was threatened with death. She fled to the US in April.

But...before that, she contacted a Chinese blogger trying to get the word out (he's the one that advised her to flee to the US) and the Chinese blogger contacted Steve Bannon because they shared some friends. Bannon passed the Yan Li-meng information to Trump so Trump could decide for himself. Trump gathered his top men and everyone decided that while they couldn't be sure if the Yan Li-meng documents were real, many of the claims were being rapidly confirmed by independent observation. Appraised of the waning stock of PPE and the general unreadiness of the US healthcare system to deal with what could be a very virulent episode, Trump decided not to disseminate the Yan Li-meng information at that time and play the virus down to prevent any panic should the documents become public anyway. Immediately after, he began to restrict Chinese travel and started to get the PPE/ventilator industry going as hard as it could because he understood the chokepoint, to use an ungraceful analogy, was the hardware and the hospitals, not whether people went out or washed their hands because if the virulence was what was being claimed, that would not matter much.

But the virus was not that virulent after all. I mean yeah somewhat contagious, but lets all admit it - the death rate is a fraction of what we thought it was, and also importantly a fraction of what it was in the beginning.

Was Yan Li-meng a CCP plant after all? Did she and her documents arrive to panic us all when the CCP knew it wasn't that bad? Those are valid questions to ask, but now we know China was completely freaked out by this too at the time and we know for a fact they had a much higher death rate than they admit. So maybe she was just a humanitarian trying to do the right thing.

Steve Bannon told me all this. We hang out.

And then JFK Jr stood up and clapped

[Jibartik]

I want to be clear, I agree with you about everting except 9 months ago I said worst case scenario was 300k deaths and a country too apathetic to care about it.

So I was basically right. I mean I didnt think we'd come close to my worse case scenario, but I was right about how virulent it would be. And I was pro social distance/masks from the start! (I just expected with how virulent it would be, with rational acceptance of reality, modern conveniences and medicine, it would only last 6-9 months, but we stretched it out to a year or 2 by making it an election issue :smacksforeahd: )

I also remember trump being reluctant on ventliators but the china thing I do remember saying "oh here we go the dems are saying he's being xenaphobe, lets remember that when they say they were all trying to stop the spread of the virus when everyone eventaully realizes what is about to happen"

This is just inexcusable to me (even with your color) at no point would letting (what would be aroud 300k I assumed) people die to save face at the expense of risking my life would I ever think that would be ok:

Trump gathered his top men and everyone decided that while they couldn't be sure if the Yan Li-meng documents were real, many of the claims were being rapidly confirmed by independent observation. Appraised of the waning stock of PPE and the general unreadiness of the US healthcare system to deal with what could be a very virulent episode, Trump decided not to disseminate the Yan Li-meng information at that time and play the virus down to prevent any panic should the documents become public anyway.

It makes me think that asteroid they say is gonna be small and miss us is actually gonna be the size of Kentucky and land on Kentucky.

[Jibartik]

I will not lie I did think there was a slim chance we'd all be fighting to get stuffed onto container ships evacuating with dramatic overhead camera angles in my minds eye like it was a zack snider end of days containment movie. But that I kept to myself lol

[BlackBellamy]

Yeah conservatism is about holding traditional values, not embracing new ones.

Try this one to start:

Conservatism is about making sure societal change progresses slowly and deliberately.

Literally that. I mean yeah, it's more complicated if you want to start discussing Locke and Hamilton and Burke and even go back to Cato the Elder and Confucius, but just start with prudence to try to understand the conservative mind.

The bargain we have made is this; it is better to retard human progress slightly over time than be subject to novel solutions which are essentially experiments on humanity. We can always do better, but to fix that which is haughtily destroyed is impossible. We walk on the shoulders of giants and we should not toss their customs or conventions aside without prudent and deliberate reasoning, no matter the allure.

We don't fear change. We don't fear progress. We love rocket ships and hate cancer just like everyone!

The great Edmund Burke, the philosophical founder of modern conservatism said:

“We must all obey the great law of change. It is the most powerful law of nature, and the means perhaps of its conservation. All we can do, and that human wisdom can do, is to provide that the change shall proceed by insensible degrees. This has all the benefits which may be in change, without any of the inconveniences of mutation.”

So yeah, what he said. So much more eloquently than me.

[Jibartik]

Yeah that's what I'm saying trump is anything but slow and deliberate, am I wrong about that? That's what my argument about the SC packing was all about. That's what my list of 6 reasons trump is radical up there was all about.

Just accept the fact that you're a radical libertarian :p

[BlackBellamy]

And then JFK Jr stood up and clapped

Wait? You're questioning my source? I confirmed this Chinese guy on the right made this video and said all this stuff I paraphrased! That's crazy you would call that guy a liar, he's wearing glasses and has lips!

You should scan that QAnon...errr....QR code in the corner, there's truth in there!

https://imgur.com/10zE9aK.jpg

I sent this link to the FBI and haven't heard back which means they're investigating for sure!

[Morton Jr]

Most people are just too god dam stupid to get it. Trump knew how bad and contageous it was.

He acted like it wasnt bad to calm people down because THERE IS NOTHING ANYONE CAN DO TO STOP THE SPREAD

Fact 1 Our planet is too overpopulated, transmission is inevitable

Fact 2 Our humans produce no food, they get it at the store(Where they get infected)

I used to post gardening pics on this forum 8 years ago and posters like jibekn made fun of me for doing it, then 2 years later he was posting pictures of his digital plants he was growing on the internet, then went to college for botany

Fact 3 We cant quarantine to slow or stop the spread ( See fact 2 )

Fact 4 You are contageous for weeks without knowing it and you continue to infect people even tho you "Feel Fine"

Fact 5 Most of you are really dumb

[Morton Jr]

Fact 6 Masks dont do anything

( See the increasing numbers and continued spread despite everyone wearing one )

[Jibartik]

Damn I take it all back these facts are amazing!

[BlackBellamy]

Yeah that's what I'm saying trump is anything but slow and deliberate, am I wrong about that?

Yes.

We think long term. We're like the Bene Gesserit, without all that hot lesbian sex.

If we have to move fast on policy in the short term to ensure long term stability, it is what it is.

"It is what it is" - Gaius Helen Mohiam

[BlackBellamy]

Fact 7: My Tinder profile rocks so hard but I ignore those thots.

Please post a FUN FACT about yourself!!!

[Morton Jr]

im addicted to chicken nuggets from aldi and i cant stop

[Jibartik]

Yes.

We think long term. We're like the Bene Gesserit, without all that hot lesbian sex.

If we have to move fast on policy in the short term to ensure long term stability, it is what it is.

lol Fact: I refuse to let your answer to "I'm not radical" be because your radical changes are for "long term" benefits!

[Jimjam]

8 Covid is a hoax to cover up the damage done in Europe by brezit.

[Jibartik]

https://i.imgur.com/AwLV61k.png

[FatherSioux]

Fun Fact: I have more Native American blood than Pocahontas.

[BlackBellamy]

lol Fact: I refuse to let your answer to "I'm not radical" be because your radical changes are for "long term" benefits!

Loller fact: No me importa que la gente me diga que estoy en lo correcto!

You know what is mas importante though? Having tons of fun!

We have the best Hispanics, don't we? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTiNRYHlIkI

https://imgur.com/jhth7rG.jpg

Ay ay ay!!!

[BlackBellamy]

Fun Fact: I have more Native American blood than Pocahontas.

That statement and your avatar are good enough to convince me.

Take us all on a mystical journey Chief!

[BiG SiP]

pass the peace pipe

[FatherSioux]

I've stopped taking my herbal supplements via inhalation. I only consume the medicine through homemade butter. I'll pass the butter dish though, certainly.

[bubur]

mfw watching this thread drift into memes as we all realize that everyone that's gonna vote has made their minds up and isnt gonna be convinced by a p99 thread

2 weeks to go my dudes. who got dem frogs

[FatherSioux]

Nonsense we’re so close to Jib buying 7 MAGA hats, one for each day.

[Jibartik]

This is me after the last 3 or so days ITT lol

https://i.imgur.com/02PBEj2.png

Lets jsut get this overwith and I hope pat robertson is right lol

[Castle2.0]

Biden is done.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/10/21/bombshell-statement-biden-insider-claims-he-was-recipient-of-the-email-says-he-witnessed-joe-hunter-discussing-deals/

My name is Tony Bobulinski. The facts set forth below are true and accurate; they are not any form of domestic or foreign disinformation. Any suggestion to the contrary is false and offensive. I am the recipient of the email published seven days ago by the New York Post which showed a copy to Hunter Biden and Rob Walker. That email is genuine.

The email includes a note that “Hunter has some office expectations he will elaborate.” A proposed equity split references “20” for “H” and “10 held by H for the big guy?” with no further details.

What I am outlining is fact. I know it is fact because I lived it. I am the CEO of Sinohawk Holdings which was a partnership between the Chinese operating through CEFC/Chairman Ye and the Biden family. I was brought into the company to be the CEO by James Gilliar and Hunter Biden. The reference to ‘the Big Guy’ in the much publicized May 13, 2017 email is in fact a reference to Joe Biden. The other ‘JB’ referenced in that email is Jim Biden, Joe’s brother.


Read the full thing @ link. WOW!

[FatherSioux]

The Johnson Report connected some dots in a way that shocked me — it made me realize the Bidens had gone behind my back and gotten paid millions of dollars by the Chinese, even though they told me they hadn’t and wouldn’t do that to their partners.

I would ask the Biden family to address the American people and outline the facts so I can go back to being irrelevant — and so I am not put in a position to have to answer those questions for them.

I don’t have a political ax to grind; I just saw behind the Biden curtain and I grew concerned with what I saw. The Biden family aggressively leveraged the Biden family name to make millions of dollars from foreign entities even though some were from communist controlled China.

[Castle2.0]

Pretzel's last post. Notice date. I don't know if he'll be too embarrassed to show his face in this thread again with these emails coming out showing everything he said.... it was the opposite.

Trump corruption in Ukraine? Nope, Biden corruption.
Trump corruption in China? Nope, Biden corruption.

:D

[Castle2.0]

To know if a theory is correct, you look at evidence over time to see if there is increasing evidence a theory is true or increasing evidence a theory is false.

#HunterEmails #BidenIsDone

[douglas1999]

To know if a theory is correct, you look at evidence over time to see if there is increasing evidence a theory is true or increasing evidence a theory is false.

#HunterEmails #BidenIsDone

Don't count him out yet. Many americans are insanely dumb and gullible, and biden has 95% of media establishment and big tech actively trying to play defense for him. I don't think they're going to start saying "Ya know what? We were wrong" now. I hope they do though!

[hobart]

Biden is done.

The polls suggest he's done not being President.

[Castle2.0]

The polls
+ media + academia + public schools + Hollywood... and yet you are the "resistance" lolol

Don't worry, I trust the polls.... as much as I trust gender studies profs and Hollywood actors.

If this story gets sunlight, Joe's done. Period. Big drop tomorrow. Stay tuned :cool:

[douglas1999]

The polls suggest he's done not being President.

Well I certainly hope he wins. His riveting platform of:

"We gotta help the american people, jack. Cmon man. Donald Trump is, bad. And, we need change man. Cmon man. We need healthcare man, cmon jack."

Is inspiring, as well as very clear and precise.

[hobart]

+ media + academia + public schools + Hollywood... and yet you are the "resistance" lolol

Don't worry, I trust the polls.... as much as I trust gender studies profs and Hollywood actors.

If this story gets sunlight, Joe's done. Period. Big drop tomorrow. Stay tuned :cool:

So this story may not get sunlight, but there's definitely a big drop tomorrow? As in, the drop relates to something different? Because if the drop is part of the story that may not even get sunlight, is it really that big?

How did you know about the big drop? Do you have Q clearance?

Right now the polls have Biden picking up 345 electoral votes. If that turns out to be somewhat accurate, which gender studies profs will you be turning to for information going forward?

[BarnabusCollins]

The snowflake Marxist polls are inaccurate

[Mblake81]

This is just inexcusable to me (even with your color) at no point would letting (what would be aroud 300k I assumed) people die to save face at the expense of risking my life would I ever think that would be ok.

Not accustomed to dealing with Asia then. Saving face is important. Consider you are dealing with a communist country that will happily play hot ditch action. Numbers, faces.. what do they matter? The party must look strong and clean. Looks are important. Having a good, smiling and triumphant face is important.

Sadly, you would end up killing far more.

"Don't you put that evil on me, Ricky Bobby!" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFEzW1Z6TRM)

[Raev]

The polls suggest he's done not being President.

The latest Hunter Biden email (https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1319023876874055685) is fairly interesting there.

Wikipedia claims Frank Luntz "is an American political and communications consultant, pollster and pundit" (and yes, he is Jewish). Luntz describes his specialty as "testing language and finding words that will help his clients sell their product or turn public opinion on an issue or a candidate. Does it also include fabricating polls if necessary, or 'filtering' them if they have the 'wrong' results? I'd say with near 100% chance it does. These are the kind of people who pull your emotional strings for a living.

And while I'm not a huge fan of Trump, the one big thing his side seems to be willing to do is expose this machinery in a way the Democrats aren't.

[Topgunben]

The polls suggest he's done not being President.

Lol the polls.

[BlackBellamy]

Consider you are dealing with a communist country that will happily play hot ditch action. Numbers, faces.. what do they matter?

I've been playing a lot of Total War: THREE KINGDOMS so like you I'm an expert and I concur. He's so naive to think life means anything. That's a new concept, conveniently brought to you by white people from Europe. Unfortunately Asia has been hard to penetrate so the sense of people being individuals and having free will never really reached that far.

Jibartik:

The Great Leap Forward was a five-year plan of forced agricultural collectivization and rural industrialization that was instituted by the Chinese Communist Party in 1958, which resulted in a sharp contraction in the Chinese economy and between 30 to 55 million deaths (https://www.investopedia.com/terms/g/great-leap-forward.asp) by starvation, execution, torture, forced labor, and suicide out of desperation. It was the largest single, non-wartime campaign of mass killing in human history.

Sixty years ago the Chinese leadership just outright killed 50 million of their own people and then went to bed at night and slept just fine.

Did you know that? Did you know they got schoolchildren to kill all their teachers and then they machinegunned the children later as a reward, job well done? Now they have new teachers and new students and pictures of the people responsible are hung in Chinese schoolrooms to this day.

Think about that next time anyone presents any information coming out of China and says oh yeah, this forms some kind of basis for an argument I'm about to make.

[BlackBellamy]

Former Chinese Red Guard regrets the role he played in his mother's execution.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKfe3NanRxU

He handed his superiors a note that said my mother is a traitor and should be executed and she was. Lucky for him there was no note with his name on it later. Very fortunate.

[FatherSioux]

The kill count at the feet of feet of left ideas is entirely glossed over in most history lessons.

[FatherSioux]

Former Chinese Red Guard regrets the role he played in his mother's execution.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKfe3NanRxU

He handed his superiors a note that said my mother is a traitor and should be executed and she was. Lucky for him there was no note with his name on it later. Very fortunate.

Literally straight out of 1984, like exactly.

[Topgunben]

I've been playing a lot of Total War: THREE KINGDOMS so like you I'm an expert and I concur. He's so naive to think life means anything. That's a new concept, conveniently brought to you by white people from Europe. Unfortunately Asia has been hard to penetrate so the sense of people being individuals and having free will never really reached that far.

Jibartik:



Sixty years ago the Chinese leadership just outright killed 50 million of their own people and then went to bed at night and slept just fine.

Did you know that? Did you know they got schoolchildren to kill all their teachers and then they machinegunned the children later as a reward, job well done? Now they have new teachers and new students and pictures of the people responsible are hung in Chinese schoolrooms to this day.

Think about that next time anyone presents any information coming out of China and says oh yeah, this forms some kind of basis for an argument I'm about to make.

If the US has truely lost 250k people from Covid, how many has China really lost?

[FatherSioux]

If the US has truely lost 250k people from Covid, how many has China really lost?

The stats from China are hilarious. They claim under 100k cases. Under 6k deaths. But Jib here will tell you how poorly we’re doing on testing.

[BlackBellamy]

Here is a site called Donald Trump Watch https://donaldtrump.watch/

...where you can see who donated for Trump and then denounce them and get them executed, either socially or professionally or for real.

It gives your name and your address and how much and when. It also features social media buttons so you can share that page.

Notice the search result background is a map. It's not functional, it's just the same background. It's just there so there is an implied threat that someone might need those directions.

https://imgur.com/feARM3j.jpg

What were we talking about? Oh yeah Red China and denunciations and stuff.

[BlackBellamy]

I think at one time we also discussed Democrat voting suppression.

LOL jk no one ever talks about that.

[BlackBellamy]

Oh lol this is awesome! They DO have a map search!

https://imgur.com/PNjI2xg.jpg

Check out all these evil Trump supporters right in the theater district! These guys are right on my commute it's all very convenient.

I am so pumped by that atrocity quote too.

[BiG SiP]

triple post

[BarnabusCollins]

Polls show Hillary in a landslide

[Mblake81]

I've been playing a lot of Total War: THREE KINGDOMS so like you I'm an expert and I concur. He's so naive to think life means anything. That's a new concept, conveniently brought to you by white people from Europe. Unfortunately Asia has been hard to penetrate so the sense of people being individuals and having free will never really reached that far.

Word. The Bible is one of the testaments to the value of life iirc. I think of Stalin when Athiests in America shit on everything while taking full advantage of its safeties.

https://i.imgur.com/r8TfsYF.jpeg

We can be moral and hold things together without the need for a spooky man in the sky watching over everything. I have a brain.

Cool, use it in a place where your diaper isn't changed for you.

[BlackBellamy]

triple post

The world is surely lucky I didn't have more thoughts, we could run out of forum pages :D

[hobart]

Here is a site called Donald Trump Watch https://donaldtrump.watch/

...where you can see who donated for Trump and then denounce them and get them executed, either socially or professionally or for real.

It gives your name and your address and how much and when. It also features social media buttons so you can share that page.

Notice the search result background is a map. It's not functional, it's just the same background. It's just there so there is an implied threat that someone might need those directions.

https://imgur.com/feARM3j.jpg

What were we talking about? Oh yeah Red China and denunciations and stuff.

Trump supporters are such snowflakes.

Think of this as a digital MAGA hat -- the self-imposed Scarlet Letter for hillbilly retards and conspiracy nuts.

Part of me wants to use this site to weed out people of low intelligence and character before interviews, but I'll stick with my "no overalls" policy which serves the same function.

[feniin]

Polls show Hillary in a landslide

What happens when he loses? Do you guys all distance yourselves from ever supporting him? Do you change your names? Move to a new state?

[Jimjam]

I’m not sure if we can include mismanagement of pandemics and famines as killings.

If we can, the East India Company killed 60 million. Not even through negligent planning. Famine hit. India had silos and produce to feed it’s workers but the EIC didn’t want share holders to suffer so what little was produced and what was stored was used for export instead of feeding the workers. Workers that refused to sell what they had to EIC so they could feed themselves got murdered directly for not starving.

[Castle2.0]

So this story may not get sunlight, but there's definitely a big drop tomorrow? As in, the drop relates to something different? Because if the drop is part of the story that may not even get sunlight, is it really that big?

How did you know about the big drop? Do you have Q clearance?

Right now the polls have Biden picking up 345 electoral votes. If that turns out to be somewhat accurate, which gender studies profs will you be turning to for information going forward?

Get sunlight = get mass exposure via MSM like CNN, ABC, MSNBC etc. It will.

Yep, big drop today, and I know because I follow people on Twitter that are on the frontlines doing ACTUAL journalism. They are always 24 hours ahead of news cycle because they are making it by doing real work - not some BS puff piece or BS opinion commentary on yesterday's "news."

"Harris, prominent Democrats listed as 'key contacts' for Biden family business venture projects"

"The list, included Harris, D-Calif.; Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y.; Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minn.; Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif.; Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y.; New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo; New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio; former Virginia Gov. Terry McCauliffe, among others."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jim-hunter-biden-china-joint-venture-key-contacts

More to come.

P.S. Your polls are wrong. Just like 2016. Stay tuned.

On Gender Studies: https://babylonbee.com/news/on-gender-left-steps-up-effort-against-notorious-hate-group-reality

[Woke Locc]

I think at one time we also discussed Democrat voting suppression.

LOL jk no one ever talks about that.

Court up here just suppressed the many fine voters on both sides by declaring i976 unconstitutional

But isn't that yall plan federally? lol

[Castle2.0]

Oh and here's the kicker....

Fact: when Trump was impeached for asking about Hunter Biden's corruption, Hunter Biden was under investigation by the FBI for corruption.

[galach]

Looking forward to watching Borat 2 tomorrow. Haven't really read into what Guliani was caught doing, but twitter seems to be freaking out about it.

[Castle2.0]

Hunter Biden's biz partner James Gilliar admonished Tony Bobulinski on May 20, 2017: "Don't mention Joe being involved, it's only when you are face to face[.]"

[kjs86z]

Looking forward to watching Borat 2 tomorrow. Haven't really read into what Guliani was caught doing, but twitter seems to be freaking out about it.

This is the 24 year-old woman that Sacha Baron Cohen tried to get Rudy Giuliani to have sex with:

https://i.imgur.com/PkLHOP4.jpg

Big nothing just typical leftists retards on Twitter frothing at the mouth.

PS - id suck the farts right out of her bootyhole

[FatherSioux]

I don't think most women understand the true power they wield.

[Castle2.0]

"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

[kjs86z]

I don't think most women understand the true power they wield.

I think any woman above a 7.75 does.

[FatherSioux]

I think any woman above a 7.75 does.

Most could get to those marks with some work though.

[kjs86z]

Most could get to those marks with some work though.

The same women that aren't working towards that are the ones who do not realize their power potential.

[Castle2.0]

An actual China expert I follow on Twitter who spent 9 years in China (1 less than me :D) uses publicly available info on Joe to come to same conclusion he is corrupt.

https://www.baldingsworld.com/2020/10/22/report-on-biden-activities-with-china/

Most worrying is the financial leverage this gives the Chinese state over a direct member of the Biden family. Despite the widely reported $1-1.5 billion of investment the reality is likely much higher. A co-founder of the investment firm reports the total assets under management as $6.5 billion. While this number cannot be completely replicated, given that two deal alone were worth in excess of $1.6 billion this number is not unrealistic at all. A 2% annual fee on assets under management would generate $130 million annually. Add in the 20% fee on capital gains the firm would recognize and it is not difficult to see Hunter’s stake being worth in excess of $50 million.

According to Hunter’s attorney, he did not invest his $400,000 in the company until 2017. Even assuming the veracity of this statement, this raises a major problem. Founded in 2013, the firm had large amounts of revenue and assets under management by 2017. In other words, his $400,000 stake would have already been worth far more than what he paid for it. This paltry $400,000 investment worth more than $50 million now would have realized a gain of more than 12,400% in three years.

If you want a VERY well cited source with the full details you can read the full report here: https://www.baldingsworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/KVBJHB.pdf

[Woke Locc]

An actual China expert I follow on Twitter who spent 9 years in China (1 less than me :D) uses publicly available info on Joe to come to same conclusion he is corrupt.

https://www.baldingsworld.com/2020/10/22/report-on-biden-activities-with-china/



If you want a VERY well cited source with the full details you can read the full report here: https://www.baldingsworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/KVBJHB.pdf

Huge stuff from Twitter user "GOP Gangsta Rap Coalition Chair Balding"

Huge.

[douglas1999]

Huge stuff from Twitter user "GOP Gangsta Rap Coalition Chair Balding"

Huge.

As opposed to what? Which source of news do *you* think is actually dependable at this point? Every single mainstream outlet is a hyper-cherry picked, context-free, perfectly curated stream of shit you already agree with.

"Anonymous sources" claimed trump called veterans "losers", and people actually buy that shit, despite like ten NON-anonymous sources who were actually directly involved in that alleged incident claiming it was totally untrue.

Boy those "anonymous sources" sure are trustworthy, I can't imagine how the term "anonymous sources" could be weaponized to make credulous idiots believe almost anything.

[douglas1999]

*Turns on msnbc* "Anonymous sources claim: bad thing about trump"

GRRR I hate that guy!! *shakes fist at god*

[Woke Locc]

I guess I have no choice but to take the GOP Gangsta Rap guy seriously

Thanks Doug 👍

[Castle2.0]

Huge stuff from Twitter user "GOP Gangsta Rap Coalition Chair Balding"

Huge. The irony of Mr. GetWokeGoBroke ignoring a report because a guy randomly changes his twitter to handle funny newsworthy items. Oh that's right, you only watch CNN so you missed the stories on 50-cent and Ice Cube.

The most non-expert "China expert" WokeLocc attacking a professor and true China expert, Christopher Balding.

You can read his articles at Bloomberg here: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/authors/ASlOEsJOMrg/christopher-balding

Wave of incriminating emails, texts, photos, contracts, dates, times, etc. and THIS is your response.

It's like when the media asks Biden his favorite icecream flavor. Your defeat will be delicious. Your ilk in the media will be forced to report on it and then you will listen to your masters @ CNN to believe it ,lol

GetWokeGoBroke gonna make like a Pretzel and run - maybe Pretzel reads more broadly than GetWokeGoBroke so he peaced out sooner.

Conclusion: Your lack of addressing the facts = you lost this argument before it began.

[douglas1999]

I guess I have no choice but to take the GOP Gangsta Rap guy seriously

Thanks Doug 👍

Man you're a master of not actually answering the questions posed to you.

[Woke Locc]

What did 50 cent do

[Trexller]

What did 50 cent do

Fiddy came out and said that under Biden's tax plan, he would have to change his name from 50 Cent to 20 Cent.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/50-cent-doubles-down-opposition-joe-biden-tax-plan

:D:D:D

[Woke Locc]

Fiddy came out and said that under Biden's tax plan, he would have to change his name from 50 Cent to 20 Cent.

:D:D:D

Why does that matter?

[Trexller]

Why does that matter?

Because he is correct, obviously.

[Woke Locc]

Because he is correct, obviously.

Rich man wants to stay rich.

And?

[Castle2.0]

And Ice Cube met with Trump team. Biden team punted til after election.

"GOP Gangsta Rap Coalition Chair Balding"

Balding being Christopher Balding's surname.

Now that your oh-so-important concern has been addressed, I am sure you will now focus on the facts and respond to thsoe :D *rolls eyes*

[Woke Locc]

And Ice Cube met with Trump team. Biden team punted til after election.

"GOP Gangsta Rap Coalition Chair Balding"

Balding being Christopher Balding's surname.

Now that your oh-so-important concern has been addressed, I am sure you will now focus on the facts and respond to thsoe :D *rolls eyes*

Fascinating.

What does it do?

[Castle2.0]

GetWokeGoBroke is down and out for the count. Thank you for playing. Grow a brain and please try again.

In other news,

https://www.wsj.com/articles/now-corruption-story-is-about-joe-not-hunter-11603392288

WSJ reporting on it now too

[Woke Locc]

GetWokeGoBroke is down and out for the count. Thank you for playing. Grow a brain and please try again.

In other news,

https://www.wsj.com/articles/now-corruption-story-is-about-joe-not-hunter-11603392288

WSJ reporting on it now too

Opinion (https://www.wsj.com/news/author/james-freeman)

[Castle2.0]

Since you run from facts, I figured if I shared an opinion piece you might read it.

CNN and the rest will lose even more credibility if they reported on it and tried to refute it. This is why they stay silent... for now.

You can go back to the wave of facts presented and address them any time. Until then, not much else to say. Enjoy my twitter feed here though, I'll share more later ;)

[Woke Locc]

Since you run from facts, I figured if I shared an opinion piece you might read it.

CNN and the rest will lose even more credibility if they reported on it and tried to refute it. This is why they stay silent... for now.

You can go back to the wave of facts presented and address them any time. Until then, not much else to say. Enjoy my twitter feed here though, I'll share more later ;)

Opinions aren't reporting

Hth

[FatherSioux]

The debates better not disappoint tonight.

[Castle2.0]

Biden’s Former Business Partner in China Scheme, Tony Bobulinski, Will Be Trump’s Special Guest at Final Debate
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/breaking-bidens-former-business-partner-china-scheme-tony-bobulinski-will-trumps-special-guest-final-debate/

OOOOOF!

[hobart]

An actual China expert I follow on Twitter who spent 9 years in China (1 less than me :D) uses publicly available info on Joe to come to same conclusion he is corrupt.

So he became an "expert" in China in 9 years and you couldn't accomplish it in 10? Sad.

Since you're a Trumptard, I feel free to engage in a little whataboutism. What about Tom Nichols, an actual Russia expert who taught at the Naval Academy saying that Trump absolutely was involved in Russian interference into the 2016 elections?

I bring this up because it seems like the only experts are the ones who say/report/conclude things that match your world view.

[Morton Jr]

If this came out a month ago maybe, but most have already voted, I still believe biden will win because too many people are mad at trump

Also we have had historic levels of blacks register to vote ( This is a good thing )

Unfortunately they are voting for the wrong candidate.

[feniin]

So he became an "expert" in China in 9 years and you couldn't accomplish it in 10? Sad.

Since you're a Trumptard, I feel free to engage in a little whataboutism. What about Tom Nichols, an actual Russia expert who taught at the Naval Academy saying that Trump absolutely was involved in Russian interference into the 2016 elections?

I bring this up because it seems like the only experts are the ones who say/report/conclude things that match your world view.

Just about every single person with any knowledge about Russian politics and business knows that Trump is beholden to Russia financially and politically.

[Jibartik]

Opinions aren't reporting

Hth

I once met someone at a party, they told me they were a journalist, I was like wow cool, what's that like? And he goes I write Op Ed, and I was like, what's That?

And he goes, opinion editorial.

I was like, what's that?

He goes, uh its like opinions about politics and news and stuff.

I was like, Like gossip?

He was like, no its like, how you get to understand the truth behind the news.

I was like, by listening to gossip?

He was not happy with me lol

[FatherSioux]

Just about every single person with any knowledge about Russian politics and business knows that Trump is beholden to Russia financially and politically.

Amazing that people like you are able to exist and function in the real world. Maybe I'm assuming too much about your current state of affairs.

Thanks for your input Mr. RussiaPoliticsPlusBusinessExpert surely you're who you say you are because you're posting on the p99 forum.

[douglas1999]

Expert on Russian politics and business detected. Every attempt by, ya know, US intelligence to investigate this notion hasn't been able to turn up anything more than hot "anonymous source rumor", but nahhhh it's true!! It's true! Rachael told me so!!

[feniin]

You guys are wayyyyy too aggressive in defending a "billionaire" conman cult leader. Dude wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire. Yikes. He's just a fat old man who stirs the pot to make poor people fight each other so he and his friends can get richer. No idea why that's appealing to you.

[Raev]

Just about every single person with any knowledge about Russian politics and business knows that Trump is beholden to Russia financially and politically.

Fact Check: false (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmKPbYbAnKE)

By the way, feniin is Pretzelle. I guess he felt the need to switch back to his main troll account.

[feniin]

Fact Check: false (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmKPbYbAnKE)

By the way, feniin is Pretzelle. I guess he felt the need to switch back to his main troll account.

cleared my browser cache and couldn't remember the password!

[hobart]

Expert on Russian politics and business detected. Every attempt by, ya know, US intelligence to investigate this notion hasn't been able to turn up anything more than hot "anonymous source rumor", but nahhhh it's true!! It's true! Rachael told me so!!

It's true! Tom Nichols told me so.

It doesn't match your world view, so I assume you now have a problem with someone who has been paid to teach about Russia, specifically Russian ops, at the naval academy.

The difference between you Qanon/Trumptard types and normal people is that most of us don't live in a perpetually inflating narrative. For most of us, when a nail punctures the tire it starts to leak. For some of you, it both punctures and seals the hole.

Do your own research.

[BlackBellamy]

I once met someone at a party, they told me they were a journalist, I was like wow cool, what's that like? And he goes I write Op Ed, and I was like, what's That?


I was at a big fancy party full of journalists and other media types and I recognized this editor and walked over and a woman was telling a story about how she went out on a date with a guy and on the first date he told her it was important that the woman he was with didn't have any vaginal odor. Her boss, who was listening, said well you should have stuck your fingers in your pussy and waved your hand in his face and asked him if that passed the test.

Which I personally found absolutely hilarious but it indirectly led to his firing several years later. I never had a chance to ask anyone why the news media credibility rating has fallen so much.

I had this chart printed out..

https://imgur.com/LTuUVWN.jpg

...but then I realized facts were useless because well, I was talking to journalists, and by 2012 the definition of journalist was synonymous with activist.

[Jibartik]

Im pretty sure its been cleared up the invention of basic cable is why. Throw in the erosion of the education system and here we are 40 years later and voila :o

[BlackBellamy]

Democrats report much higher levels of trust in a number of news sources than Republicans (https://www.journalism.org/2020/01/24/democrats-report-much-higher-levels-of-trust-in-a-number-of-news-sources-than-republicans)

Both Republicans and Democrats trust their sources more and distrust the others sources. That would be obvious.

https://imgur.com/TmDh9kH.jpg

https://imgur.com/HgJYOWp.jpg

1) Republicans have a much broader "trust" distribution. For example a Republican will trust Fox and other right-wing outlets moderately AND they will also lightly trust left-wing outlets. But Democrats will highly trust left-wing outlets and do not trust right-wing outlets at all.

2) Democrats trust 'their' sources very highly. Republicans have light to moderate levels of distrust for 'their' sources.

So according to Pew, Democrats are gullible and only listen to demagogues, while Republicans are skeptical yet broad-minded.

I'm trying to read this some other way. I'm trying to be broad-minded.

[BlackBellamy]

Im pretty sure its been cleared up the invention of basic cable is why. Throw in the erosion of the education system and here we are 40 years later and voila :o

Ted Turner conspiring with Marxists to infiltrate our educational system so his budding network could seize the populace right by the amygdala?

Sounds far-fetched, but I am a Republican and therefore open to whatever conspiracy is thrown my way.


He did marry that fucking Commie witch...

[bubur]

media reporting on media research that cites media surveys of media watchers

muh brain

[FatherSioux]

Democrats report much higher levels of trust in a number of news sources than Republicans (https://www.journalism.org/2020/01/24/democrats-report-much-higher-levels-of-trust-in-a-number-of-news-sources-than-republicans)

Both Republicans and Democrats trust their sources more and distrust the others sources. That would be obvious.

https://imgur.com/TmDh9kH.jpg

https://imgur.com/HgJYOWp.jpg

1) Republicans have a much broader "trust" distribution. For example a Republican will trust Fox and other right-wing outlets moderately AND they will also lightly trust left-wing outlets. But Democrats will highly trust left-wing outlets and do not trust right-wing outlets at all.

2) Democrats trust 'their' sources very highly. Republicans have light to moderate levels of distrust for 'their' sources.

So according to Pew, Democrats are gullible and only listen to demagogues, while Republicans are skeptical yet broad-minded.

I'm trying to read this some other way. I'm trying to be broad-minded.

BB, have you read The Righteous Mind by Jonathan Haidt? It fleshes out your idea and expands on it in great detail. You're essentially right about Lefties being much more focused on a list of narrow things and righties having a much broader approach to life.

It's a great read for anyone, it's a lib righting about why righties win elections more and more. Righties appeal to more values.

[Danth]

Im pretty sure its been cleared up the invention of basic cable is why. Throw in the erosion of the education system and here we are 40 years later and voila :o

It's the natural state of commercial media. Look at media circa 1900, where the U.S. went to war with Spain for no particular reason other than Hearst wanted it and controlled a lot of media. Those who forget their history are doomed to repeat it, and humans have short memories, so the regulations which govern the actions of media have gradually been softened or repealed.

Danth

[Jibartik]

I remember on fox news rand paul said the protesters that were yelling at him that one time "they were going to kill me!" lol

yep that month was particularly bad with politicians hanging from cranes all throughout America. Glad he made it through to the interview unscathed lmao

[BlackBellamy]

https://imgur.com/GPI6elV.jpg

Attention all you low-life forum-squatters!

If Biden wins the FORUM RENT WILL DOUBLE!!!

VOTE 2@2@

[Woke Locc]

1) Republicans have a much broader "trust" distribution. For example a Republican will trust Fox and other right-wing outlets moderately AND they will also lightly trust left-wing outlets. But Democrats will highly trust left-wing outlets and do not trust right-wing outlets at all.

2) Democrats trust 'their' sources very highly. Republicans have light to moderate levels of distrust for 'their' sources.

So according to Pew, Democrats are gullible and only listen to demagogues, while Republicans are skeptical yet broad-minded.

I'm trying to read this some other way. I'm trying to be broad-minded.

I knew a man broad-minded, his name was John.
That fella really got around.

[BlackBellamy]

The Righteous Mind by Jonathan Haidt?

No, I went to see a talk he did at NYU and he was doing a slideshow and one image that suddenly came up, it was a very detailed image of when one of the towers began to fall. I felt sick like Obi Wan in the Falcon then and had to leave. I thought about his presentation and couldn't find any justification of why he would pick that image to illustrate the point rather than another shocking historical image. Why that one shot of the tower falling when the wound was so fresh and the point he was making merely maudlin? Color me petty but I could never get that out of my mind and since that was before I had a chance to read his book I never thought of him again. That's how I deal with people who stir up my ghosts.

[BiG SiP]

two elderly men argue during prime time
fun

[White_knight]

lol Trump smoothing Biden with this debate.

70-30 atm to Trump atleast.

Biden's scripted responses really showing, and frankly are poor.

[Morton Jr]

Honestly they are asking the same questions and its pretty god dam boring

[Castle2.0]

https://www.c-span.org/video/?477307-1/tony-bobulinski-statement-hunter-biden

Tony Bobulinski Statement on Hunter Biden
Tony Bobulinski, a former business associate of Hunter Biden, makes a statement about his business dealings in China. He said he would turn over electronic evidence of the Biden family involvement.

BOOM

[Bardp1999]

Trump killing Biden IMO

[Topgunben]

Trump did extremely well. Biden kind of did ok, his biggest issue is that he always seems like he is searching for words.

[White_knight]

Yeah, and he is so scripted. Like every time he wants to say something impactful it isn't off the cusp it's some pre-made statement that requires him to look into the camera and plead with the "sitting around the dinner table people".

Trump is right, Biden has had 47 years including 8 years as VP to get things done, and in that he's just another career politician.

[White_knight]

My family in the USA including their partners are all voting Trump.

[douglas1999]

I've got a plan jack, and it's, the jobs. Green jobs for, the energy man! And we're gonna, get things done, for the american people. Cmon man. Donald trump, he doesn't know what to do! Cmon jack! I've got the.. the.. th.. the plan! Cmon man!

Once again the moderator didn't ask biden like a single hard follow up question although I thought she was way better than chris wallace.

[Castle2.0]

Moderator asked some biased questions / questions from her liberal perspective, but she tried to be fair. Her bias showed through at times, bringing up Trump gaffes/tweets, but not Biden's "if you dont vote me for me you aint black."

Overall not bad. Much better than Wallace.

Trump was much stronger and even-keeled than last time. Biden was noticeably weaker than last time. He really faded towards end. Guy has no stamina.

Trump should have pressed more on the laptop and cited specific quotes from his business partner. He didn't bring in the context needed to make sense to people who aren't following that news - which is a lot of people.

Good journos can make up for it in the coming week though by continuing to expose the story.

Overall, Trump win.

[Castle2.0]

Oh, and let's not forget Biden's closing statement to crush the oil industry and his lie about fracking which was blown up with video on Trump's twitter within a minute or two of when Joe said "show the video." What a pitiful end.

Trump should have created hashtag to promote at the end. "If you want to know how Joe has been corruptly receiving payments and his son and him are under investigation by the FBI for international money laundering, go check out hashtag HunterEmails." Something like would have left the truly curious, the truly undecided to find that info which would bring in more voters.

[Nuggie]

I didn't watch it, but Biden has been in this game for decades. Trump has been in it for a few years is all(if you can really consider him "in it" ). If Joe didn't beat him soundly then Joe lost.

Disclaimer: I voted for Jo(not to be confused with Joe).

[White_knight]

Lol I got banned on the Dem's main reddit account just for saying:

"Imagine voting for Biden just because you hate Trump."

My first and only comment on that subreddit, and first time I ever went to it.

[BiG SiP]

bye bye oil industry
😐

[douglas1999]

"You didn't do enough!"

"I shut down travel from china very early, and your entire party called me a racist for doing so"

*malfunction, malfunction*

Like he absolutely could not answer that question. Nor trump's point about how the cages of the "kids in cages" talking point were constructed under obama, and that obama deported more people. It just doesn't matter; trump's the badguy team, biden is the goodguy team. Just turn your brain off.

[feniin]

The healthiest man ever. Won't release his medical records.

A stable genius. Won't release his college transcripts.

Rich and totally not corrupt. Won't release his tax returns.

Anyone who believes this man is a fucking moron.