2020 Election MEGAthread

[Pretzelle]

This is the first time I've heard Pence speak since the last VP debate. Why were they so afraid of letting him be president? He has a stronger voice than Trump.

[Woke Locc]

Kamala went antivaxx, switching to baseball

[douglas1999]

Kamala_smiles_and_shakes_head.mp4

[Pretzelle]

I actually like hearing Pence talk. I just hate what he says.

[douglas1999]

Oh man she is shucking and jiving so hard on this green new deal question.

"Do you believe this climate plan drawn up by a 17 year old sorority girl is a good idea?"

Response "Well, hurricanes are bad."

[douglas1999]

God she's evasive.

"How do you see china, are they an adversary, an enemy, a partner?" (extremely direct question)

"Well, trump is bad. And, other leaders of other countries say they like china, and they don't like trump. So I'm saying that china is bad *nudge nudge* but mainly saying trump is worse! Please buy my snake oil."

[Pretzelle]

God she's evasive.

"How do you see china, are they an adversary, an enemy, a partner?" (extremely direct question)

"Well, trump is bad. And, other leaders of other countries say they like china, and they don't like trump. So I'm saying that china is bad *nudge nudge* but mainly saying trump is worse! Please buy my snake oil."

I feel like we're watching different debates :confused:

[Patriam1066]

Kamala is really bad guys almost makes me want to vote Trump

[Patriam1066]

Also the moderator looks like shit earth to ABC this isn’t radio seek Christ

[douglas1999]

Hahaha.. good lord.

"Why did you lock so many people up for weed?"

Kamala you have thirty seconds to respond.

"Well, chokeholds are bad?"

Most of her responses have been completely incoherent or unrelated to the question she was asked. Pence is beyond generic, but he's at least formulating coherent responses to what he's asked.

[kaizersoze]

I actually like hearing Pence talk. I just hate what he says.

I like his hair. Thats about it.

[getsome]

I like his hair. Thats about it.

So did that fly.

[kaizersoze]

Hahaha.. good lord.

"Why did you lock so many people up for weed?"

Kamala you have thirty seconds to respond.

"Well, chokeholds are bad?"

Most of her responses have been completely incoherent or unrelated to the question she was asked. Pence is beyond generic, but he's at least formulating coherent responses to what he's asked.

They both dodged some pretty big questions too though. Like, say, when Pence made no comment about refusing to give up power.

[BarnabusCollins]

Guiliani knows who really did 9/11 and so does his client.

[Patriam1066]

Pence won that debate, California please stop fielding candidates y’all are gay

[White_knight]

Yah Harris is a joke.

She got ripped in the primaries by Tulsi - not even sure why Harris was picked as the running 'mate'.

[Fame]

Should have been Yang

[Castle2.0]

Caught the end - will followup for rest of it later when I got time. MSNBC calling a tie. This means Pence must have slaughtered.

[BarnabusCollins]

Like a blind man at an orgy, I was gonna have to feel my way around. Harris has the IQ of a lima bean and the heart of a monster. She has absolutely no conscience concerning right and wrong and good over evil, whatsoever. She locked up thousands of minorities for pot for long sentences and is now on the legalization platform for pot? REALLY?!?

[Fame]

Not sure if it was this thread but thanks for the China perspective. A lot in there that I had not thought about

[BarnabusCollins]

I don't know what the media insinuated by 'Trump hates troops' but I know he's saved more Troops than any President since Clinton and probably since Carter because I was young and dumb and don't know what Clinton the Mena drug kingpin did with the US soldiers all I cared about then was a pretty face.

[douglas1999]

They both dodged some pretty big questions too though. Like, say, when Pence made no comment about refusing to give up power.

That's such a leading question though. It's like asking "when did you stop beating your wife?".

They have never said they would refuse to give up power, they said they don't want massive voter fraud via totally unprecedented mass mail in balloting. And that should be a completely bipartisan point of agreement; republicans could ALSO exploit mass mail in balloting to their advantage. Why people can't understand this just makes me insane.

"Huh?? I don't beat my wife!" but the question has already been asked. It's sewing seeds of trepidation in the audience by even being asked.

[Topgunben]

Joe Biden is neither Hunter Biden nor is he Hillary Clinton. The only people dumb enough to conflate them all were already Trump voters (or non-voters) anyway.

Democratic Party is full of dump people.

Check Mate

[BarnabusCollins]

Not worried about 2020 but 2024 could be the Antichrist. Pence vs New Green Deal model Ocasio-Cortez in 2024? Or the Antichrist, but she lost in 2016, so not sure.

[Topgunben]

So the Chinese killed 1/3rd of Europe with the Black Plague, and now they are responsible for Covid.

Let’s punish these commy bastards once and for all.

[Swish]

So you got creepy Joe who might be dead before his first term is over, and Kamala Harris who probably shouldn't be a senator let alone running for VP.

Another Trump term might be unthinkable for some but the alternative seems equally bleak.

[charmcitysking]

Should have been Yang

This!

[Jauna]

After tonight I really want Trump/Pence to win. Kamala was giving off single mother soccer mom who just joined the PTA and now thinks the whole school is hers vibes. Biden already looks like hes on deaths door and wont survive the 4 years and thats legitimate amounts of fear and worry to just go with the lesser of two evils.

[Noselacri]

Why were they so afraid of letting him be president? He has a stronger voice than Trump.

The GOP is worried that deep down Pence might have some vestigial shred of conscience and moral compass. They needed someone utterly bereft of that in order to plunder the country unhindered. There was some small chance that Pence might have frowned slightly upon that.

[White_knight]

You know the media in the US is a joke when they say Kamala won that debate lol...she had about 2 good points.

It was 90/10 to Pence without a doubt.

[Toad1]

They both did well

I think penske is a great guy as well, kamala did ok but kept trying to rehash dead points and slam the covid response when they tried their best

My favorite is when penske said biden was a cheerleader for communist china

i watched all of it, both of them kept their composure well

[Toad1]

Covid is the fault of 1 girl, an intern at that

i wonder what china did to her

( covid was being studied at many labs in one form or another )

It reaked havok across china as well and they paid the price

[Toad1]

It's carried in water droplets, which are bigger. Breath is moist.

The biggest symptom and problem with covid is you get dry lungs, your breath is literally dry

so yea

goes right through, the soaring spread is more proof masks do nothing

[Evets]

I love how people can't accept actual facts and when they're backed into a corner they always revert to "RAAACCIIISTTT" or "ReD NeCk" it's really sad to see how well the media propaganda works at npc brainwashing.

Good job trying to explain things Castle or should I call you Morpheus?

[Pretzelle]

I love how people can't accept actual facts and when they're backed into a corner they always revert to "RAAACCIIISTTT" or "ReD NeCk" it's really sad to see how well the media propaganda works at npc brainwashing.

Good job trying to explain things Castle or should I call you Morpheus?

Guessing you don't get out much. Ever been to rural south Georgia? Or the backwoods of Florida? It's all rednecks with Trump regalia on their trucks and trailers. And they definitely use hard Rs when they're talking about black people.

[Danth]

So you got creepy Joe who might be dead before his first term is over, and Kamala Harris who probably shouldn't be a senator let alone running for VP.

Another Trump term might be unthinkable for some but the alternative seems equally bleak.

That's what's breaking this nation: The two-party system means we usually only get to pick between "bad" or "worse." In my entire adult life I have never had the opportunity to vote for a major presidential candidate whom I actually felt good about. Picking someone who's merely walking towards a cliff instead of running means we still go over the cliff eventually. Both the major parties are solely concerned about their own power and they're increasingly willing to burn everything down if it means they get to rule over the ashes. I feel as though I'm living in the western roman empire during the crisis of the third century, or the byzantine empire circa 1070--a great nation past its peak, still strong in the here-and-now, but stuck with a fundamentally broken government.

The wife watched the debate in its entirety and concluded that Harris is "vile" to use her word and that Pence is at least sane. Considering that both Presidential candidates are older than sand, the VP's in this election are perhaps more relevant than is usually the case.

Danth

[Jibartik]

Idk,I bet future generations will be like "a global virus like covid, or the spanish flu, happens around once every 100 years."

I havent put much thought into it, but I bet its a cyclical thing.

[Patriam1066]

That's what's breaking this nation: The two-party system means we usually only get to pick between "bad" or "worse." In my entire adult life I have never had the opportunity to vote for a major presidential candidate whom I actually felt good about. Picking someone who's merely walking towards a cliff instead of running means we still go over the cliff eventually. Both the major parties are solely concerned about their own power and they're increasingly willing to burn everything down if it means they get to rule over the ashes. I feel as though I'm living in the western roman empire during the crisis of the third century, or the byzantine empire circa 1070--a great nation past its peak, still strong in the here-and-now, but stuck with a fundamentally broken government.

The wife watched the debate in its entirety and concluded that Harris is "vile" to use her word and that Pence is at least sane. Considering that both Presidential candidates are older than sand, the VP's in this election are perhaps more relevant than is usually the case.

Danth

Harris smirking at the camera while pence was talking made her look supremely unlikeable. She’s clearly an intelligent person, but it’s amazing to me how some of our politicians are very bad at appearing human. Pence lies through his teeth throughout the debate and he still appeared more likeable

[strongNpretty]

After tonight I really want Trump/Pence to win. Kamala was giving off single mother soccer mom who just joined the PTA and now thinks the whole school is hers vibes. Biden already looks like hes on deaths door and wont survive the 4 years and thats legitimate amounts of fear and worry to just go with the lesser of two evils.

Trump and Biden both look like shit, however Trumps got that sourpuss face man.. The one mom always told you to stop making or it would get stuck like that..

Again- Biden for sure is aging.. But damn dude you can't just ignore that Trump is really really REALLY a fucked up lookin character dude...

[Castle2.0]

Telemundo deleted their twitter poll because Pence was winning 70-30.

You can only hide the truth until Nov 3.

[Castle2.0]

You can ignore Pritzel, people. He can't read compound sentences nor answer simple questions.

[Danth]

=Again- Biden for sure is aging.. But damn dude you can't just ignore that Trump is really really REALLY a fucked up lookin character dude...

I don't trust either of them to make it through a full term. Even if the person who wins doesn't outright die, we could easily be "Wilson'd" with an incapacitated POTUS while someone else behind-the-scenes takes over the job. Biden seems so sickly I suspect that'd potentially be the case with him from day 1. It's a pity too, Biden of 30 years ago seemed a pretty good congressman but nobody defeats father time.

I did not watch the entire debate--I saw enough to see it was about what I expected. A couple minutes ago I asked the wife her thoughts again and "hateful" was the only term she used with respect to Harris that's fit to be repeated in public. I don't know what that woman said but something seriously rubbed the wife the wrong way. I trust Pence like I trust a rattlesnake but he usually handles himself well enough in public.

Danth

[Pretzelle]

Trump and Biden both look like shit, however Trumps got that sourpuss face man.. The one mom always told you to stop making or it would get stuck like that..

Again- Biden for sure is aging.. But damn dude you can't just ignore that Trump is really really REALLY a fucked up lookin character dude...

And Trump has had a half dozen health scares over the last couple of years, is supremely obese, and will have lingering effects from Covid (supposing he survives). Biden on the other hand looks great for a nearly 80 year old. He looks good for your average 60 year old. I wouldn't suggest that he'll survive 4 years based on that, but he's got a better chance than Trump.

[Evets]

You know the media in the US is a joke when they say Kamala won that debate lol...she had about 2 good points.

It was 90/10 to Pence without a doubt.

It's gotta be getting embarrassing lol

[Patriam1066]

Telemundo deleted their twitter poll because Pence was winning 70-30.

You can only hide the truth until Nov 3.

Spoiler alert, Mexicans hate blacks

That poll would’ve been 70-30 if you put George Floyd against pence too

[strongNpretty]

And Trump has had a half dozen health scares over the last couple of years, is supremely obese, and will have lingering effects from Covid (supposing he survives). Biden on the other hand looks great for a nearly 80 year old. He looks good for your average 60 year old. I wouldn't suggest that he'll survive 4 years based on that, but he's got a better chance than Trump.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/01/trump-letter-food-aid-boxes-424230

I got one of these boxes from my neighbor who receives assistance, he said he had received 4 boxes which was too much.

So i opened it up and read that dumbass leader from Trump. In it were a few fresh things- potatos, apples, a block of cheese. But then there was some fucked up stuff.. Extremely strange filler lookin chicken meatballs? Some strange chicken square chunks? LIke ones you maybe put on a salad? And other things straight out of your childs elementary school purchased lunch.. I think the letter is unnecessary for sure, and the filler meats (which i get if you hungry, it's free, you'd be dumb to not consume it) Will ultimately have you looking like trump, as well as the random health issues that will follow.

[Gwaihir]

You know the media in the US is a joke when they say Kamala won that debate lol...she had about 2 good points.

It was 90/10 to Pence without a doubt.

That's because they have to keep up the pretentious narrative that the DNC is leading/competing so when they cheat the mail-in ballot box, it's believable.

[Evets]

Been seeing alot of propaganda looking for UN oversight or governance "during the election" lately.. how could anyone get behind that? Are they trying to insert plan b for if/when trump wins? Luckily I don't think there is much traction yet but this is how the ball gets rolling...

[Jibartik]

The biggest symptom and problem with covid is you get dry lungs, your breath is literally dry

so yea

goes right through, the soaring spread is more proof masks do nothing

https://www.businessinsider.com/56-got-coronavirus-south-korea-starbucks-mask-wearers-did-not-2020-8

:confused:

[Patriam1066]

Guessing you don't get out much. Ever been to rural south Georgia? Or the backwoods of Florida? It's all rednecks with Trump regalia on their trucks and trailers. And they definitely use hard Rs when they're talking about black people.

Everyone uses hard Rs when they talk about black people. Not even Nigerians like american blacks, grow a pair pussy

[Patriam1066]

Been seeing alot of propaganda looking for UN oversight or governance "during the election" lately.. how could anyone get behind that? Are they trying to insert plan b for if/when trump wins? Luckily I don't think there is much traction yet but this is how the ball gets rolling...

Not to worry, trump won’t get close to winning, and if he somehow does, those of us who love America will accept the results of the election. If the blacks and hippies in Portland riot again, who cares

[Evets]

Not to worry, trump won’t get close to winning, and if he somehow does, those of us who love America will accept the results of the election. If the blacks and hippies in Portland riot again, who cares

Don't be too sure last time it was 99% in favor of Hillary anything can happen.. if anything I think he has a better chance this time around with the dems being demented as they are

[Castle2.0]

Some members of our forum have trouble with reading so I am trying pictures to reach them :D

[Pretzelle]

https://i.imgur.com/5F6HNhL.png

[Pretzelle]

https://i.imgur.com/uzHuvqd.png

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/

Now, of course, this doesn't take into account Trump cheating to win by installing puppets as electors across the country and using the stolen Supreme Court seats to overrule the will of the voters.

[Patriam1066]

The polls in 2016 did not account for whites without college degrees (rednecks), this year’s polling does

Hope this help

[Gwaihir]

https://i.imgur.com/uzHuvqd.png

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/

Now, of course, this doesn't take into account Trump cheating to win by installing puppets as electors across the country and using the stolen Supreme Court seats to overrule the will of the voters.

[reznor_]

https://i.imgur.com/PpcNfUm.png

Why do you guys keep entertaining this jabroni? Take one look at his signature and head for the hills, lol -- it's so self indulgent it's sickening. I mean I know it's the internet, but come on.

[Jibartik]

Why do you guys keep entertaining this jabroni? Take one look at his signature and head for the hills, lol -- it's so self indulgent it's sickening. I mean I know it's the internet, but come on.

same reason I click on nsfl images on reddit even though I think "no no dont stop no"

[Pretzelle]

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-calls-ag-barr-indict-joe-biden-26-days-until-election-1537518

Rofl. He's so desperate.

[Patriam1066]

How much did he pay in payroll tax?

Payroll taxes stop at $135,000

[Pretzelle]

Six arrested in plot to kidnap Michigan governor
(https://www.reuters.com/article/us-michigan-whitmer/fbi-thwarts-plot-to-kidnap-michigan-governor-affidavit-idUSKBN26T2ZF?il=0)

April 17th - Trump tweets: "LIBERATE MICHIGAN" in reference to Whitmer's lockdown policies.

April 17th - Justin Amash tweet that could not be more relevant: "The president uses vague calls to action so he can avoid responsibility and later claim he meant something else."

May 1st - Armed protestors storm capitol

Also May 1st - Trump defends armed protestors: "These are very good people, but they are angry."

June-Present -

an undercover law enforcement source attended a meeting in Dublin, Ohio, where a group of Michigan-based militia members discussed overthrowing state governments "that they believed were violating the US Constitution".

"Several members talked about murdering 'tyrants' or 'taking' a sitting governor," the charging document states.

The group wished to gather about "200 men" to storm the capitol building and take hostages, including the governor. They hoped to enact their plan before the November presidential election. If that failed, they planned to attack the governor at her home, officials say.

The militia members held weapons training in several states, and at times attempted to create bombs that were faulty, the FBI says, adding that their training was captured on video.

"I don't see what this has to do with Trump."

-Trump supporters probably.

[Castle2.0]

Michigan Militia Protesting: People are freely exercising 2nd amendment right to bear arms and 1st amendment right to peaceably assemble.

BLM: Burn Loot Murder using all kinds of objects as weapons including firearms to commit crimes.

<3 Michelle Obama going on TV to say the BLM protests were peaceful, lol.

Whoever plotted to kidnap a duly elected Governor needs to get their due justice. Always gonna have crazies.

In other news

Biden v Clinton Polling in Battleground States in 1 Chart

[Patriam1066]

He’s gonna lose dude, get over it. It was a four year gamble and it didn’t pay off. Trump is obese, nothing else to say

[Castle2.0]

Why do you guys keep entertaining this jabroni? Take one look at his signature and head for the hills, lol -- it's so self indulgent it's sickening. I mean I know it's the internet, but come on.

What if I told you I took the "Which Disney Princess AM I?!" quiz on Facebook after logging in and giving my DOB and SSN and answering the questions you'll never guess who I got! Not even a princess! Just a strong, handsome, eloquent, beast of a man!

/ubernerdflex

Don't be mad my elf resume is bigger and more prestigious than yours!

P.S. Thanks for reminder. I gotta update my signature now that we are at 587 YES votes to Re-Opean Teal. I'm going to Tweet out "LIBERATE TEAL!" now. ttyl.

[Chortles Ban Appeal]

disappointing to learn elves politics

[Pretzelle]

Anthropomorphized diaper rash refuses to participate in debate because he won't comply with the rules his campaign agreed to. Probably much more sick than his staff is willing to admit. (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-debate-trump/trump-says-he-will-not-do-a-virtual-debate-idUSKBN26T24L)

[Toad1]

https://www.businessinsider.com/56-got-coronavirus-south-korea-starbucks-mask-wearers-did-not-2020-8

:confused:

its south korea, you think they would ever say the truth especially when its a business jesus your fucking dumb, remind me never to click anything you post

[Toad1]

trump is probably too out of breath to do a debate

[Woke Locc]

Payroll taxes stop at $135,000

Per business entity?

[Patriam1066]

I thought you meant individually

True. The trump organization probably pays a good amount in payroll taxes

I still support harvesting Jeff bezos organs and find it unconscionable that we’re looking at a future with trillionaires and starving people in the same country, idk, seems satanic to me

[Jibartik]

its south korea, you think they would ever say the truth especially when its a business jesus your fucking dumb, remind me never to click anything you post

:confused:

[Gwaihir]

I thought you meant individually

True. The trump organization probably pays a good amount in payroll taxes

I still support harvesting Jeff bezos organs and find it unconscionable that we’re looking at a future with trillionaires and starving people in the same country, idk, seems satanic to me


That's because worshipping money:

(time is money, frozen into a tangible, tradable form)

...is worshipping TIME.

Cronos is the God of Time; the prince of air; the God of this World as revealed in the Bible, and dually reinforced in the Names of God translation of the Bible.

Cronos is Saturn; Saturn is Satan; Satan is Set, and Sethians are the Serpent Seed.

Worshipping money is literally Saturn Worship.

God provides for his flock; being a covetous little shit implies you don't trust God to provide for you, while you do your part in being obedient and serving his will (aka Faith and Works)

If this offends you, maybe you should Seek Christ, and quit looking at those Cronos/Saturn/Satan/Set has chosen to bless with money/power in exchange for their service and eternal damnation.

[Patriam1066]

I do not covet Jeff bezos. He is cross eyed, hence god made him ugly to gaze upon at birth. He will be in hell. God already passed his judgment. He also dumped his somewhat attractive wife for a grotesque chunk of flesh that looks like a housekeeper

That doesn’t change the fact that as life expectancy has declined for the white interior of this country, it becomes harder and harder to own property for most, that Jeff bezos has built an empire that utilizes the internet and the american highway system. Every cent he’s made in his life is made possible by the US dollar, the roads, the electric grid, and all of the other things we pay taxes for. That you guys think billionaires should avoid contributing to this doesn’t make sense at all.

You’ve got it wrong my friend. I’m not the “covetous little shit.” I won’t benefit from increased taxes. Jeff Bezos is the one with greed in his tiny heart

[Toad1]

Funny thing is everyone projected real estate drops yet i dont see them, here in boca raton fl all the nicer houses are selling for 40% more because people are coming down from NYC or other places with money and paying asking price

Blows my mind

Every year ( Most people ) Make less money, pay more taxes

real estate and cost of living keeps going up

[strongNpretty]

"Will you shutup, man"? I need a shirt or a hat or something with this on it.. It's so good.

[Patriam1066]

"Will you shutup, man"? I need a shirt or a hat or something with this on it.. It's so good.

I was hoping he’d say malarkey more but yeah that was the best line from the debate. What a difference four year makes. Trump wasn’t funny, he seems bitter rather than jovial like last time

[strongNpretty]

I was hoping he’d say malarkey more but yeah that was the best line from the debate. What a difference four year makes. Trump wasn’t funny, he seems bitter rather than jovial like last time

China ate your lunch joe. Billions of dollars joe, billions of dollars joe. Hey joe, billions joe.. Joe, joe, joe, hey joe, listen to me joe, im over here joe, hey joe..

That fucking obnoxious friend that always wants you to watch him do something..

He joe, joe, joe, hey joe, hey joe, joe, joe, look at me, loook at me joe, look at this.. Boom, popped a wheelie joe. Joe did you see? Joe? Did you see it?

[Gwaihir]

I do not covet Jeff bezos. He is cross eyed, hence god made him ugly to gaze upon at birth. He will be in hell. God already passed his judgment. He also dumped his somewhat attractive wife for a grotesque chunk of flesh that looks like a housekeeper

That doesn’t change the fact that as life expectancy has declined for the white interior of this country, it becomes harder and harder to own property for most, that Jeff bezos has built an empire that utilizes the internet and the american highway system. Every cent he’s made in his life is made possible by the US dollar, the roads, the electric grid, and all of the other things we pay taxes for. That you guys think billionaires should avoid contributing to this doesn’t make sense at all.

You’ve got it wrong my friend. I’m not the “covetous little shit.” I won’t benefit from increased taxes. Jeff Bezos is the one with greed in his tiny heart

Are you trying to say Amazon doesnt have to pay for registration on their vehicles, or an electric bill, or ISPs? Pretty sure these items are detailed on their P & L.

It seems to me your gripes are with the framework that allows the farce to perpetuate. So, how does supportibg lifetime politicians who (intentionally) built the framework which advantageously rewards such exploitation remedy this?

Who is running on a platform of taxing gross profit before expenses, eliminating stock buybacks, and repealing Citizens United?

Literally, no swamp things give a shit about this, Trump included

[Castle2.0]

Combining a number of threads on politics/election into one is a bad idea. Even more a of a hodgepodge mess of ideas.

Feels censorship man...

Now Preztel-man has even more cover to run and hide from simple questions. He can not only pretend he can't read, he can pretend the post got buried in this behemoth thread.

#EndElfCensorship
#ChillModerators

[Woke Locc]

List of people who should lurk more:


Castle2.0

[Castle2.0]

Six arrested in plot to kidnap Michigan governor
(https://www.reuters.com/article/us-michigan-whitmer/fbi-thwarts-plot-to-kidnap-michigan-governor-affidavit-idUSKBN26T2ZF?il=0)

April 17th - Trump tweets: "LIBERATE MICHIGAN" in reference to Whitmer's lockdown policies.

April 17th - Justin Amash tweet that could not be more relevant: "The president uses vague calls to action so he can avoid responsibility and later claim he meant something else."

May 1st - Armed protestors storm capitol

Also May 1st - Trump defends armed protestors: "These are very good people, but they are angry."

June-Present -



"I don't see what this has to do with Trump."

-Trump supporters probably.

OOF this didn't age well. Most hot takes don't age well in a few hours. This is one of those.

Listen to Brandon Caserta, one of those six men arrested, in his own words calling President Donald J Trump "enemy" and "tyrant." You will notice his Anarchist A in the background - this dude belongs in ANTIFA, not a right-wing militia lol.

Ready to eat some crow now Pritzey? Nom nom nom.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/gov-whitmer-media-caught-another-lie-anarchist-arrested-plot-kidnap-kill-whitmer-hates-president-trump-trump-tyrant-video/

Same idiots that hear a black man was shot by police and within minutes of reading a media headline (and without any evidence of police misconduct) are screaming "SYSTEMIC RACISM! COPS = GUILTY!" all over social media.

[Toad1]

China ate your lunch joe

[Tunabros]

Just don't pay them.

[Nocht]

All the political threads went Voltron!

[Trexller]

"Will you shutup, man"? I need a shirt or a hat or something with this on it.. It's so good.

Biden's campaign started selling those shirts the day after the debate

I'd provide the link but i don't want to.

[Castle2.0]

boom

[Trexller]

I'm better off now than 4 years ago. Better job, bought a house, 1.5 girlfriends.

Thanks Orange Man!

[Castle2.0]

In January 2020 pre-COVID it was 61%

5% dip due to COVID aint bad at all.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/285593/say-better-off-past-elections.aspx

[Swish]

There's some missing 4-year blocks in there, where's the rest of the data?

[Pretzelle]

There's some missing 4-year blocks in there, where's the rest of the data?

cherry picking "data" to "prove" a "point"

[douglas1999]

Why didn't donald trump do the things I would have done as literal president of the united states?? Put me in charge. Make me a cop. Put me in congress. I'll show 'em how it's properly done!

[BarnabusCollins]

I did not have sexual relations with that woman

[BarnabusCollins]

I did not sell off all my stock with 4 weeks advanced notice of COVID coming

[Viscere]

To the GM Angel that perfected my post, thank you

[Woke Locc]

cherry picking "data" to "prove" a "point"

1984 was the biggest electoral victory and the lowest positive response. ;)

[Castle2.0]

cherry picking "data" to "prove" a "point" Took it straight from Gallup. "We believe science." "Trust the experts." Remember?

Only one cherry picking is you ;) Cherry picking which simple questions you will answer about COVID so you don't blow up your own self-defeating view. Still hiding from that simple question I asked? I'll take your silence as yes :cool:

1984 was the biggest electoral victory and the lowest positive response. Walter Mondale was a terrible candidate and was VP to one of the worst Presidents in American history.

The chart doesn't 100% determine the election. Nonetheless, it's a fact and Americans feel better off now than the previous 4 years for any other time recorded.

if you got data from a survey asking the same question for the years missing, feel free to share.

If not, believe science, trust the experts, and eat crow for thinking the 6 men arrested for the Whitmer kidnap plot we're pro-Trump when we have heard in their own words they are anti-Trump Anarchists.

Winning so much it hurts. Too much winning. I cant handle it, Mr President. Another campaign promise delivered.

[Woke Locc]

Took it straight from Gallup. "We believe science." "Trust the experts." Remember?

Only one cherry picking is you ;) Cherry picking which simple questions you will answer about COVID so you don't blow up your own self-defeating view. Still hiding from that simple question I asked? I'll take your silence as yes :cool:

Walter Mondale was a terrible candidate and was VP to one of the worst Presidents in American history.

The chart doesn't 100% determine the election. Nonetheless, it's a fact and Americans feel better off now than the previous 4 years for any other time recorded.

if you got data from a survey asking the same question for the years missing, feel free to share.

If not, believe science, trust the experts, and eat crow for thinking the 6 men arrested for the Whitmer kidnap plot we're pro-Trump when we have heard in their own words they are anti-Trump Anarchists.

Winning so much it hurts. Too much winning. I cant handle it, Mr President. Another campaign promise delivered.

The data doesn't bear out your conclusion, you idiot. 🐻

[hobart]

If not, believe science, trust the experts, and eat crow for thinking the 6 men arrested for the Whitmer kidnap plot we're pro-Trump when we have heard in their own words they are anti-Trump Anarchists.

They're not Trump sycophants just like you and Douglas1999 aren't.

And I think the real story was the President's response to the event and not who the misguided idiots were planning on voting for.

[Castle2.0]

the real story was the President's response Wrong, that's what the story is now.

The story was they were pro-Trump right-wring militia... until the truth came at least one of them is an anti-Trump anarchist, more ideologically aligned with ANTIFA.

The story changed to continue to fit the left narrative once the facts came out. Typical.

I'm no Trump sycophant. Never liked him as a person - still don't like him as a person, and I didn't vote for him in 2016. Nice faceplant.

Can winning get old? I don't know, but it looks like I'm going to find out.

The data doesn't bear out your conclusion, you idiot. �� You saying so, doesn't make it so. Facts don't care about your feelings *points to chart* Believe science. Trust the experts.

[Pretzelle]

Wrong, that's what the story is now.

The story was they were pro-Trump right-wring militia... until the truth came at least one of them is an anti-Trump anarchist, more ideologically aligned with ANTIFA.

The story changed to continue to fit the left narrative once the facts came out. Typical.

I'm no Trump sycophant. Never liked him as a person - still don't like him as a person, and I didn't vote for him in 2016. Nice faceplant.

Can winning get old? I don't know, but it looks like I'm going to find out.

You saying so, doesn't make it so. Facts don't care about your feelings *points to chart* Believe science. Trust the experts.
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[Danth]

Walter Mondale was a terrible candidate and was VP to one of the worst Presidents in American history.

Carter was an interesting one because he was undoubtedly both honest and intelligent. He probably had the highest personal integrity of any POTUS during my lifetime. He was also totally, woefully ineffective as chief executive. Smart and honest he was, but he lacked the necessary strength of spirit to stand up to difficult problems--a highly effective follower or adviser, but not a leader, and unsuited to the job.

That being said I rate Carter higher than "corrupt bargain" Ford. Ford deserved to be hanged.

---------------------------

I don't feel we've had a truly good POTUS since Eisenhower, and that was before I was born. Looking at history it's tempting to draw a parallel to the long string of mediocre-to-bad presidents the U.S. suffered through during the lead up to the civil war.


Danth

[Jibartik]

I'm pretty sure a lot of trumps most adamant supporters (*cough castle cough*) are ex bernie bro's that went full joker :o

[Toad1]

bernie supporters were full joker imo


the grand scheme of things

bernie biden trump 3 old guys that are ready for prime golf slots in boca raton fl

[Pretzelle]

I'm pretty sure a lot of trumps most adamant supporters (*cough castle cough*) are ex bernie bro's that went full joker :o

I don't see how anyone could go from supporting Bernie to supporting Trump based on their politics. If I had to guess, Castle has had a rough time socially and needs someone to lash out at and Trump helps him focus his rage toward democrats, minorities, and people socioeconomically worse off than he is.

[Danth]

I don't see how anyone could go from supporting Bernie to supporting Trump based on their politics.

Not based strictly on politics to be sure, but that jump is as simple as despising the Clintons. Granted such a jump is unlikely to convert someone to anything beyond a reluctant Trump voter.

[Jibartik]

I don't see how anyone could go from supporting Bernie to supporting Trump based on their politics. If I had to guess, Castle has had a rough time socially and needs someone to lash out at and Trump helps him focus his rage toward democrats, minorities, and people socioeconomically worse off than he is.

Its the ultimate protest vote.

Its actually the plot to American Horror Story Season 7 :p

https://i.imgur.com/bagNvRH.png

[Castle2.0]

I'm pretty sure a lot of trumps most adamant supporters (*cough castle cough*) are ex bernie bro's that went full joker

No, I wanted Rand Paul to win the primary. I lean more Libertarian. Socialism is a disease.

I don't see how anyone could go from supporting Bernie to supporting Trump based on their politics.
Anyone who doesn't have a coherent worldview but is sick of "career politicians", "the establishment", yada yada.

If I had to guess, Castle has had a rough time socially and needs someone to lash out at and Trump helps him focus his rage toward democrats, minorities, and people socioeconomically worse off than he is.

Nice projection. I'd tell you my social accolades from high school and beyond, but that might push the envelope too much on my Gaston forum roleplay. I prefer to banter about more important and more serious elf accolades any way.

I just don't put up with hypocrites and cowards well. If you're inconsistent and run from questions in a debate - you're not high up on my friend list, ya know?

I seem to get along really well with well-intentioned, sensible people.

[Pretzelle]

Your forum signature is a cry for help.

[Castle2.0]

Help me then. Go vote YES. Let's re-open Teal and Make Norrath Great Again!

I appreciate the help.

[Jibartik]

I assure you you will never convince me you were not a socialist 4 years ago :)

[Castle2.0]

I used to somewhat regularly visit mises.org

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTQnarzmTOc is one of the best music videos ever.

Convinced? If not, that's okay =)

[Patriam1066]

What the fuck are y’all talking about

[Jibartik]

What the fuck are y’all talking about

I think castle is falling down. :p

[Castle2.0]

You held onto that one for so long, then go and use that dunk on a child's hoop. Save the dunks for the right opportunity.

C'mon man.

[Jibartik]

huh? :confused:

[Topgunben]

Trump will absolutely destroy Harris/Biden in November. You limp wristed liberals will be screaming in the streets again. You have no idea how sick America is of your Marxist BS. The best part about this is that it will come as a complete surprise to you, just like 4 years ago.

Save this thread so you can come back to vent your misery in November.

[branamil]

Liberalism ended when a Level 42 conservative magician unleashed a manifesto on a 1990 elf museum enthusiast message board.

[Albanwr]

and what will this do for you? Why are you so invested in such a thing? Your life won't change if he wins or loses. You will still be the same old you, doing the same old things. Why waste your time on such nonsense.

[Patriam1066]

Castle are you on drugs my man

[Woke Locc]

https://i.imgur.com/uXx4wCY.jpg

[Jibartik]

The question I have is how long until martial law after? :o

I'm predicting within 2-3 months.

Just want that on the calendar :p

[Toad1]

Honestly there has been a historic amount of black voters that registered to vote against trump

i love the fact that people who waited most of their lives are registering to vote

i dont agree with their candidate choice but after what pelosi said today how the dems are preparing to push biden aside for "Health Reasons" Immediately is just more of an example of the democratic coup they are planning

[Castle2.0]

Castle are you on drugs my man Never done drugs in my life, and that includes marijuana.

Too easy.

Woot. Getting questions like Biden at an MSNBC town hall.

Patriam, do you read?

[Toad1]

Its the ultimate protest vote.

Its actually the plot to American Horror Story Season 7 :p

https://i.imgur.com/bagNvRH.png

ive watched the whole series ( all seasons ) at least 3 times

Such a great show, with election night being one of the best episodes of all seasons

[Bbeta]

The question I have is how long until martial law after? :o

I'm predicting within 2-3 months.

Just want that on the calendar :p

Martial law wont happen. It won't be necessary and more importantly Sonic 2 is free on steam right now

[Pretzelle]

https://i.imgur.com/5F6HNhL.png

[Jibartik]

https://i.imgur.com/s9lO4ch.gifhttps://i.imgur.com/pxqkIKc.gif

This is unrelated but your sig reminds me of this minus the crying.

[Pretzelle]

Biden polling lead is stronger than Obama’s 2008 landslide (https://fortune.com/2020/10/09/trump-biden-polls-2020-landslide-obama-2008-florida-ohio-pennsylvania-michigan-wisconsin-arizona-iowa-north-carolina-georgia/)

The Economist - Right now, our model thinks Joe Biden is very likely to beat Donald Trump in the electoral college. (https://projects.economist.com/us-2020-forecast/president?gclsrc=aw.ds&gclid=Cj0KCQjwhvf6BRCkARIsAGl1GGgzkXF7Lhiw0zuFLCVd p9rdThFHF8OEdcGYZoJMjn0wcETnAFk36H0aAlbWEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds)

[bubur]

krono prices on firiona vie have not risen in the last 4 years, indicating stagnant growth potential and failing futures due to complete mismanagement of the elf economy

it was a republican 4 years. coincidence? i think not

update: i just looked it up. krono prices have inflated 50% since 2016, indicating a completely unstable growth and horrible mismanagement of the elf economy

it was a republican 4 years. coincidence? i think not

[kaizersoze]

You have to admit it's objectively ironic that the man and his staff who said it was a hoax caught the virus and then flew him to the best hospital there is to receive experimental treatment that normal americans couldn't afford to have him write it off as no big deal.

[douglas1999]

You have to admit it's objectively ironic that the man and his staff who said it was a hoax caught the virus and then flew him to the best hospital there is to receive experimental treatment that normal americans couldn't afford to have him write it off as no big deal.

I mean yeah, it would be, if your premise was true. He never said it was a hoax though, that's retarded. He wanted to close incoming travel from china based on initial reports pretty much immediately, which democrats at the time called racist and very very bad. How does such a drastic measure map onto him thinking it's a "hoax"? The word hoax was used in some way that you misunderstood, that's what happened.

[jwaltz]

About those models... I guess Biden's chances aren't as good as Clinton's were.

[douglas1999]

He's literally the president, he gets incredibly good medical treatment because he's the president. They were taking extreme precautions because he's the president. He received treatment other people don't have immediate access to because he's the president. Good lord, why is any of that surprising? They'd do the exact same thing if a democrat happened to be president during this pandemic. Gotta confirm that orange man is bad though, he's so so bad!

[Toad1]

Biden polling lead is stronger than Obama’s 2008 landslide (https://fortune.com/2020/10/09/trump-biden-polls-2020-landslide-obama-2008-florida-ohio-pennsylvania-michigan-wisconsin-arizona-iowa-north-carolina-georgia/)

The Economist - Right now, our model thinks Joe Biden is very likely to beat Donald Trump in the electoral college. (https://projects.economist.com/us-2020-forecast/president?gclsrc=aw.ds&gclid=Cj0KCQjwhvf6BRCkARIsAGl1GGgzkXF7Lhiw0zuFLCVd p9rdThFHF8OEdcGYZoJMjn0wcETnAFk36H0aAlbWEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds)

jesus christ anything you click online is all ads popups and cookie warnings

nets going to shit again

[Toad1]

He definitley said "This is the new hoax"

and they air it on tv 20 times a day in a biden ad

He got regeneron cocktails

[Jibartik]

regeneron

https://twitter.com/i/status/1314412375831834629

regeneron

In a short 24 hours later I was feelin great!

regeneron

If you're in the hospital, and you're feelin bad?

regeneron

I feel great, I feel like. Perfect!

regeneron

I wana get for you, what I got!

regeneron

[Woke Locc]

regeron is made from abortions

https://i.imgur.com/SgkmSPl.jpg

[Castle2.0]

When the experts have Biden up to "92 in 100," we can put him on even footing as Hillary.

Biden is on the cusp of only getting beat 304-227 like Clinton.

But don't celebrate too early.

[Jibartik]

How could a person think science is wrong about covid but polls could possibly be right about anything?

[Jibartik]

Wait. Scratch that! Since polls are made up of random people and how they answer a question off the top of their head during an unprecedented time in any of our lives, it makes sense to me why polls would be sound data to the anti-masxer.

[kaizersoze]

He's literally the president, he gets incredibly good medical treatment because he's the president. They were taking extreme precautions because he's the president. He received treatment other people don't have immediate access to because he's the president. Good lord, why is any of that surprising? They'd do the exact same thing if a democrat happened to be president during this pandemic. Gotta confirm that orange man is bad though, he's so so bad!

the guy who also said regeneron, the estimated cost of his treatment being 100k, was going to be free to everyone while he's hopped up on dexamethasone.

[Pretzelle]

When the experts have Biden up to "92 in 100," we can put him on even footing as Hillary.

Biden is on the cusp of only getting beat 304-227 like Clinton.

But don't celebrate too early.

do you have trouble reading? the links to Fortune and The Economist have pretty pictures for you.

[bubur]

Wait. Scratch that! Since polls are made up of random people and how they answer a question off the top of their head during an unprecedented time in any of our lives, it makes sense to me why polls would be sound data to the anti-masxer.

not sayin you're wrong and i love you and all but i'd like to kindly direct you to the poll results of this very thread

[Castle2.0]

do you have trouble reading? the links to Fortune and The Economist have pretty pictures for you.

^^ Says the guy who complains about compound sentences and can't answer questions posed in simple English.

Maybe you slept through 2016 and missed NYTimes and every other 'prediction expert' saying the same stupid crap you're saying now.

Nov 2016:
Clinton 85%, Trump 15%
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/upshot/presidential-polls-forecast.html#trend

Oct 2020:
Biden 85%, Trump 15%

You read, bro?

Maybe you missed the result: TRUMP WON

[Jibartik]

i'd like to kindly direct you to the poll results of this very thread

lol fair enough but even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then :p

[Jibartik]

Anyone watching this tucker trump regeneron? I mean interview?

As an aside, if you haven't watched this amazon tv series its super fun with all this regenerome news going around right now! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFSKBllxRIw I liked this show a lot.

[Patriam1066]

^^ Says the guy who complains about compound sentences and can't answer questions posed in simple English.

Maybe you slept through 2016 and missed NYTimes and every other 'prediction expert' saying the same stupid crap you're saying now.

Nov 2016:
Clinton 85%, Trump 15%
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/upshot/presidential-polls-forecast.html#trend

Oct 2020:
Biden 85%, Trump 15%

You read, bro?

Maybe you missed the result: TRUMP WON

Yes but now rednecks are being polled and turnout is higher among democrats

Republicans lost Kentucky in 2018, such is the disgust with mr. trump

Hope this helps

[Jibartik]

Sometimes I wonder if the majority of people planning on voting for Biden, already voted by mail. And those that havent are all used to WFH and social distancing and are gonna just binge more netflix that day. I'm basically agoraphobic at this point.

And since Trumps voters are totally not afraid of going outside

regeneron

That will totally lock it down

regeneron

for a Trump win.

regeneron

[bubur]

are you high on meth right now?

its cool if you are i didnt get much sleep last night myself

[charmcitysking]

Yes but now rednecks are being polled and turnout is higher among democrats

Republicans lost Kentucky in 2018, such is the disgust with mr. trump

Hope this helps

That turned out to be a great move for Kentucky. I hear Louisville is wonderful this this time of year.

[White_knight]

Imagine voting Biden because you dislike Trump.

Might aswell shoot yourself in the foot.

[Jibartik]

are you high on meth right now?

its cool if you are i didnt get much sleep last night myself

I'm high on

regeneron

It feels great. I wish everyone had it!

regeneron

[Jibartik]

Imagine voting Biden because you dislike Trump.

Might aswell shoot yourself in the foot.

You want to talk about shooting yourself in the foot?

The trump administration under Mike Pompeo and Jerrid Kushner, are larping that they are in the first act of a rapture movie.

[Toad1]

ive always wondered who they ask during these polls, and like someone posted hilary was in the lead by a retarded amount then the actual election happened and she lost

she then went home and got drunk on chardonnay immediatly

poor bitch probably never even got a hug

[Castle2.0]

Thread went to crap because forum mod tossed every thread somewhat political into a "election megathread."

No focused discussion. No nuanced discussion. If they wanted Twitter in one thread of factless dunking on each other, they got it. Dumb move.

RIP political discussion. Thank you censorship overlords ;)

[Jibartik]

Thread went to crap because forum mod tossed every thread somewhat political into a "election megathread."

No focused discussion. No nuanced discussion. If they wanted Twitter in one thread of factless dunking on each other, they got it. Dumb move.

RIP political discussion. Thank you censorship overlords ;)

When I asked you if you knew the difference between an influenza virus and a corona virus you called me a draconian Marxist.

[Castle2.0]

When I asked you if you knew the difference between an influenza virus and a corona virus you called me a draconian Marxist. Must have missed that one. Feel free to link or provide full quotes of me saying "Jibartik you are a draconian Marxist."

I already posted IFR rates of both and what would happen if 1 million or all schoolkids got it, and if 1 million or all prime age working people got it. It's pretty weak for the young and healthy. Open up. /thread

[Jibartik]

:o you are like an AI and machine learning bot version of that character from the American horror story show I accused you of imitating everything you say is exactly what his dialogue is.

[douglas1999]

When I asked you if you knew the difference between an influenza virus and a corona virus you called me a draconian Marxist.

You're right that they are different categories of virus, but corona viruses are not uniquely dangerous just by virtue of being corona viruses. The reason people are comparing this to the flu is because we do not take such drastic measures to prevent the spread of the flu. The current virus at issue almost never kills young people, whereas influenza frequently does. There is certainly a lot more to be learned about it, but the scientific method reveals new information every day about any given disease. We certainly understand it better now than we did in January or February, and the fundamental question continues to be: is it worth the collateral impacts of locking down state and local economies indefinitely to control the spread of sars-cov-2 given it's apparent danger profile? It really should not be a partisan question, the fact that the answer breaks almost perfectly upon partisan political lines is alarming.

[Jibartik]

You're right that they are different categories of virus, but corona viruses are not uniquely dangerous just by virtue of being corona viruses. The reason people are comparing this to the flu is because we do not take such drastic measures to prevent the spread of the flu. The current virus at issue almost never kills young people, whereas influenza frequently does. There is certainly a lot more to be learned about it, but the scientific method reveals new information every day about any given disease. We certainly understand it better now than we did in January or February, and the fundamental question continues to be: is it worth the collateral impacts of locking down state and local economies indefinitely to control the spread of sars-cov-2 given it's apparent danger profile? It really should not be a partisan question, the fact that the answer breaks almost perfectly upon partisan political lines is alarming.

But yes though, it is worth it. Had we not the estimates are around 2 million americans, by trumps and the CDC count.

Also, the important thing about drastic measures for flu and why we dont do them is known: coronaviruses rarely infect humans and mutate slowly, so when they do you can quarantine them and they will die. Influenza you cannot do that, because of the way they mutates very quickly.

Covid: 1-2 years of hard work, save a lot of lives.
Flu: you would have to live like this forever to save lives every year, and that's asking too much.

It's not like I want to outlaw going outside because muggings happen, you know?

And as for the economy, trumps portion of the job was to make that work while the medical pro's do the medicine, but he got it backwards.

[Toad1]

You're right that they are different categories of virus, but corona viruses are not uniquely dangerous just by virtue of being corona viruses. The reason people are comparing this to the flu is because we do not take such drastic measures to prevent the spread of the flu. The current virus at issue almost never kills young people, whereas influenza frequently does. There is certainly a lot more to be learned about it, but the scientific method reveals new information every day about any given disease. We certainly understand it better now than we did in January or February, and the fundamental question continues to be: is it worth the collateral impacts of locking down state and local economies indefinitely to control the spread of sars-cov-2 given it's apparent danger profile? It really should not be a partisan question, the fact that the answer breaks almost perfectly upon partisan political lines is alarming.

There are over 500 million different corona viruses

Covid19 is a bacteria that severely inhibits oxygen absorption in the lungs killing unhealthy people and making even healthy ones VERY SICK if they are genetically prone to it.

Flu kills everyone equally

the difference?

Flu is short term, covid is long term, i had symptoms for 4 months and there were periods where i was getting worse for a long time, this wears you down and kills people.

[douglas1999]

But yes though, it is worth it. Had we not the estimates are around 2 million americans, by trumps and the CDC count.

Also, the important thing about drastic measures for flu and why we dont do them is known: coronaviruses rarely infect humans and mutate slowly, so when they do you can quarantine them and they will die. Influenza you cannot do that, because of the way they mutates very quickly.

Covid: 1-2 years of hard work, save a lot of lives.
Flu: you would have to live like this forever to save lives every year, and that's asking too much.

It's not like I want to outlaw going outside because muggings happen, you know?

And as for the economy, trumps portion of the job was to make that work while the medical pro's do the medicine, but he got it backwards.

Well that seems at odds with what happened; it *did* infect the population of wuhan rapidly and it also mutated within a couple months. The sars-cov-2 infecting america and elsewhere has been identified as a european variant; it's much more transmissible than what took place in wuhan but also much less lethal. Viruses don't survive by killing their hosts.

And you still haven't really answered the economic question. If the goal is the preservation of human life, it's not at all clear that more human life has been saved by these measures compared to the effects of a disease with an overwhelmingly high survival rate. If this had occured under obama, I absolutely guarantee the left would not be saying "obama totally botched this!!". They'd be saying "he did everything he could, he's not a fortune teller, he can't see the future" which again brings up my main point; why is this so drastically politicized?? How can we change things so that in the future if a totally unforseen huge emergency happens, we don't all start blaming one another for what is basically an act of nature?

[Woke Locc]

why is it okay to murder grampa through negligence

[Patriam1066]

It’s not, had Trump said “we must defeat the China virus, mask up,” they’d all be in hazmat suits

[Mead]

ive always wondered who they ask during these polls, and like someone posted hilary was in the lead by a retarded amount then the actual election happened and she lost

she then went home and got drunk on chardonnay immediatly

poor bitch probably never even got a hug

Do you remember how she lost? I'm going to say yes and you just hoped other people didn't remember

[Jibartik]

Well that seems at odds with what happened; it *did* infect the population of wuhan rapidly and it also mutated within a couple months. The sars-cov-2 infecting america and elsewhere has been identified as a european variant; it's much more transmissible than what took place in wuhan but also much less lethal. Viruses don't survive by killing their hosts.

The idea that covid mutated is a misunderstanding. not in the sense that you are using the word mutation. Youre looking at variations in hair color in humans and calling it mutations. Think of it that way. Changes in the genome, and these changes are subtle, and slow. So a new species is far far away. Unlike influenza which would have a elephant trunk by now and 6 legs.

And you still haven't really answered the economic question. If the goal is the preservation of human life, it's not at all clear that more human life has been saved by these measures compared to the effects of a disease with an overwhelmingly high survival rate.

Every source including donald trump says millions of american people would be dead now if we did not do what we did.

If this had occured under obama, I absolutely guarantee the left would not be saying "obama totally botched this!!".

Correct, because he had a plan in place that trump defunded. And we would be at 30-64k Deaths and the economy would be 60-80% more open than it is right now and there would'nt have been 100 days of national riots. (if we're predicting mine is as valid as yours so dont say im wrong! and in both of our predictions people are commending obama on a job well done so you know I'm right! Now that's science!)

I would be not saying obama did a great job if we were looking exactly like we are today, so screw those people that would, lets not live by what "they" would have said so "lets say it now"

How can we change things so that in the future if a totally unforseen huge emergency happens, we don't all start blaming one another for what is basically an act of nature?

Lets call a spade a spade, this was not unforseen, its all over the internet, for 10 years people been taking about this. imo trump screwed up when the ball was passed to him. Instead of being the running back he should have been, he stepped to the sideline and started playing coach. His job was to maintain our economy and prevent the nation from losing their minds rioting and he failed. He himself says his job was to protect us from panicking and that's why he lied to us, libertarians still think he's the better man for libertarian values just because capitalism is more in line with libertarianism than socialism? But he lies to everyone and antagonizes the other political half of the country.

Makes no sense to me!

[Toad1]

Do you remember how she lost? I'm going to say yes and you just hoped other people didn't remember

Bad ratio of votes to electorals, was very close and i think she conceded too early honestly

I dont see why we cant vote on our smartphones with a picture of us and a fingerprint that way we get 90% of our population voting instead of 40% ( well now this year it will be 60% )

not including illegals or dead people

[hobart]

I dont see why we cant vote on our smartphones with a picture of us and a fingerprint that way we get 90% of our population voting instead of 40% ( well now this year it will be 60% )

not including illegals or dead people

Because there would never be a Republican President for the foreseeable future. Very few governors and Senators. And the house would be 66% or more Democratic once districts were fixed.

The dynamic in this country is such that one party benefits from voter suppression and low turnout and the other benefits from high turnout of anyone with a pulse regardless of citizenship.

[Topgunben]

Because there would never be a Republican President for the foreseeable future. Very few governors and Senators. And the house would be 66% or more Democratic once districts were fixed.

The dynamic in this country is such that one party benefits from voter suppression and low turnout and the other benefits from high turnout of anyone with a pulse regardless of citizenship.

Your piddly excuses will again lead you to endless screaming come November 4th.

Try a blue jacket this year, it fits the mood better.

https://imgur.com/hxMRMmo

[hobart]

Your piddly excuses will again lead you to endless screaming come November 4th.

Try a blue jacket this year, it fits the mood better.

https://imgur.com/gallery/D5e7uwB

That reply literally makes no sense in the context of my answer as to why we don't vote by phone.

Democrats would love it. Republicans would never allow it. If you take exception with my answer and see something partisan in it, you're stupid enough to vote for Trump -- who might win.

[Topgunben]

That reply literally makes no sense in the context of my answer as to why we don't vote by phone.

Democrats would love it. Republicans would never allow it. If you take exception with my answer and see something partisan in it, you're stupid enough to vote for Trump -- who might win.

You can’t change the rules of the game last minute.

If popular vote via twitter poll were the new method of voting, Republicans would change their strategy to be competitive.

Sorry you’re losing. Try the blue wind breaker this year.

[hobart]

You can’t change the rules of the game last minute.

If popular vote via twitter poll were the new method of voting, Republicans would change their strategy to be competitive.

Sorry you’re losing. Try the blue wind breaker this year.

I'm not the one who proposed the idea. I'm also not running. Ur Dum

[Woke Locc]

https://i.imgur.com/QUOmc6e.png

[White_knight]

^LOL

Imagine voting for Biden

[Toad1]

what topgunben is trying to say most democrats dont vote because showing up at a poll is too hard when you are a gigantic fucking loser

making it easy ( phone or mail in ) makes more democrats vote and as such will win every election

i believe in fairness, and i want everyone to participate ( This is america )

even tho 90% of people in the US Are confused about their lives and their future

[Gwaihir]

If Biden was a campaigning genious, he wouldve made a series of ads with people stating, "Im ridin' with Biden": ""Stop the Madness -Biden 2020""with the double quotations encapsulating his campaign slogan, but hes a lkmp dick geriatric.

[Toad1]

All part of pelosis plan to make it look like her 25th amendment scam targets trump and as soon as biden wins he steps down for kamala

[Castle2.0]

I think our left friends didn't see the obvious connections between 2016 and 2020 polls. Here, let's try that again =)

"Oof them dern facts again."

[Topgunben]

I think our left friends didn't see the obvious connections between 2016 and 2020 polls. Here, let's try that again =)

"Oof them dern facts again."

This is part of why they have been raging so hard lately. That and the fact that hormone pills are becoming easier to access.

For all the accusations of Trump being the king of all racists, I wouldnt be surprised if he picks up a higher percentage of black and Hispanic votes compared to 4 years ago. Funny enough, I have still yet to hear him say anything racist.

[Woke Locc]

I think our left friends didn't see the obvious connections between 2016 and 2020 polls. Here, let's try that again =)

"Oof them dern facts again."

https://i.imgur.com/Oznftl5.png

[Danth]

The coastal city "elite" thinking Clinton had even a ghost of a chance here in Ohio shows how out of touch the coastal city folks were in their selfmade echo chambers. Driving around in '16 I might've seen one Clinton campaign sign for every 100 Trump signs. Clinton is utterly despised around here due to NAFTA essentially selling out the region and ruining the economy. It still hasn't truly recovered. In no world would she ever have won here. The state would've voted for Beelzebub before it voted for Clinton. The poll with Biden is more accurate, I think. He isn't hated here the way Clinton was. As of today I'd say the state feels like it could swing either way.

Danth

[Mota]

https://i.imgur.com/Oznftl5.png

I got an FBSS on my first frenzy kill, 10% drop rate is clearly incorrect. Lol at "polls are wrong" crowd.

[Pretzelle]

itt: people who don't understand polling, statistics, and probability.

Trump '16 was an anomaly. Do you think the people that forecast these things haven't updated their algorithms? That they're just hoping 2016 was a fluke and their numbers and formulas are fixed?

Keep telling yourself that Trump is in a safe space. The only way he wins this is by election fraud and theft through the Supreme Court that he stole.

Biden 2020 - Pack the courts, baby.

[Danth]

iTrump '16 was an anomaly. Do you think the people that forecast these things haven't updated their algorithms? That they're just hoping 2016 was a fluke and their numbers and formulas are fixed?

This depends on your opinion of the purpose of the published polls. If you feel they're as accurate as the pollsters can make them, then you have the correct assessment. On the other hand, a person who believes the polls are nothing more than pro-leftist propaganda designed to discourage and demoralize right-leaning voters in effort to reduce their turnout would not likely see it as any different than '16.

I tend to take your side of it. Biden himself is not despised across middle america the same way the Clintons are. I do not know that he necessarily WILL win in this state, but he at least CAN. Clinton had no chance at all--anyone who actually lives here knew as much--and the polling saying otherwise illustrated that something was broken in the system. The present poll linked above calls it more or less a toss-up here in OH right now, and that's about how it feels "on the ground" as well.

Danth

[BarnabusCollins]

If you still riding the democrat vs republican train, you're the sucker. They got you.

[Castle2.0]

This is hilarious. You miss the point.

The 85-15 odds would have made sense if:


If it was a CLOSE victory. It wasn't. 304-227 electoral votes.
If there were only a FEW polls that were wrong. They were wrong on Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio, North Carolina, and those were just the ones I looked at.
The polls were SLIGHTLY off. They weren't. Wisconsin 7.6 points, Wisconsin 9.3 points, Pennsylvania 7.9 points, Ohio 10.7 points, North Carolina 6.1 points.


Key Point
The media wasn't just wrong on their 85-15 odds. The reason they had 85-15 was because their polling was hugely inaccurate. See point #3. If they haven't fixed how they poll, they will get the same inaccurate polling data and inaccurate odds they did last time.

Key Question
What significant changes have been made to their polling methods to get more accurate results? Please provide evidence of before and after.

/thread

P.S. I've taken a masters level stats class. I know how stats work. We all know an unlikely even can occur. That's not the issue. The issue is their polling was hugely off in multiple polls, and there was been no improvement to their polling methods since. Adding more data ain't gonna help a bad model or bad methodology.

[Mota]

100k votes across three states to flip the election isn't a close election because electoral college scoreboard... sure buddy.

[Castle2.0]

You musta forgot to read.

Wrong on the following states by the following percentage points:

Wisconsin 7.6 points
Wisconsin 9.3 points
Pennsylvania 7.9 points
Ohio 10.7 points
North Carolina 6.1 points

Slice n dice how you like, but being off by 6-10 percentage points across multiple polls/states, means those polls are useless as a predictor. They claim 3% margin of error, lol. Throwing darts mighta been more accurate.

Which comes back to the key question.

What significant changes have been made to their polling methods (from 2016 to 2020) to get more accurate results? Please provide evidence of before and after.

[Pretzelle]

I'm not doing your homework for you.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-fivethirtyeight-gave-trump-a-better-chance-than-almost-anyone-else/

https://fivethirtyeight.com/tag/methodology/

[Mota]

Maybe just state what was wrong with the methodology instead of demanding evidence from others? What about the other vast majority of states where polling was accurate?
Why did states who were running modern voting systems like mail in voting align almost perfectly with the polls? Are there no barriers to voting with some states being worse than others? Voter suppression isn't real?

Come on masters stats man, show that education don't tell.

[Pretzelle]

Maybe just state what was wrong with the methodology instead of demanding evidence from others? What about the other vast majority of states where polling was accurate?
Why did states who were running modern voting systems like mail in voting align almost perfectly with the polls? Are there no barriers to voting with some states being worse than others? Voter suppression isn't real?

Come on masters stats man, show that education don't tell.

He can't and he'll continue to act in bad faith.

[Castle2.0]

Me: "What has changed with their methodology to provide meaningful polling data?"
You: Here is every article hast-tagged #methodology

I'm not asking you to do my homework - I am asking you to do yours ;) I am not trying to prove this polling is meaningful. I already showed how it isn't. If you want to prove otherwise, feel free.

"Here's a bunch of random articles with the hastag #methodology is not a sufficient answer."

On average, the polls have been off by 2 percentage points. Guess 2016 wasn't one of those years.

You are both asking me to do your homework. The polls failed. I proved that. You say they didn't. Glad to hear how in detail.

"I am right, and you must now show me how!" <-- Not a good argument from you ;)

[Pretzelle]

[Bullshit]

Nobody cares.

[Pretzelle]

'Near extinction' of influenza in NZ as numbers drop due to lockdown (https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/sunday/audio/2018767843/near-extinction-of-influenza-in-nz-as-numbers-drop-due-to-lockdown)

[Topgunben]

and to think we could have had Tulsi. Even if Trump lost, we would have all won.

[Castle2.0]

Prissy, still on the run from a simple question about Flu-COVID. Still hasn't answered. His best defense has been complaining about compound sentences and "nobody cares."

You got dominated on flu-covid, hoping to regain some semblance dignity here with your weak arguments. No thanks. You're not worth the effort ;)

I guess we'll have to revisit this topic when Trump wins by similar margins and then magically the media wanes on their COVID fear-mongering.

Talk then, mate, been fun owning you in debate.

[Pretzelle]

Prissy, still on the run from a simple question about Flu-COVID. Still hasn't answered. His best defense has been complaining about compound sentences and "nobody cares."

You got dominated on flu-covid, hoping to regain some semblance dignity here with your weak arguments. No thanks. You're not worth the effort ;)

I guess we'll have to revisit this topic when Trump wins by similar margins and then magically the media wanes on their COVID fear-mongering.

Talk then, mate, been fun owning you in debate.

the fuck are you even talking about? I feel like you're playing a different game and claiming you're winning while everyone else is playing something else entirely. You're having conversations with yourself and thinking you're winning some grand debate.

[hobart]

Driving around in '16 I might've seen one Clinton campaign sign for every 100 Trump signs.

You should move. For your own personal wealth if nothing else.

Look at the most desirable cities in the US and see how they vote. Other than New Albany or Worthington, I can't think of any place I would want to live in OH. In fairness though, I haven't been everywhere there.

Nothing wrong with being a Republican -- not a Trumptard, but an actual Republican. Sadly, there aren't many of us left anymore. And the more the Republican party gets hijacked by crazies that court rednecks and uneducated scumbags, the more you're going to see affluent suburbs move Democratic.

[Toad1]

'Near extinction' of influenza in NZ as numbers drop due to lockdown (https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/sunday/audio/2018767843/near-extinction-of-influenza-in-nz-as-numbers-drop-due-to-lockdown)

this is cute, but dont forget that travel to new zealand is probably down 98% which is how stuff spreads anyways

i bet their hormone pill usage is through the roof !

[Pretzelle]

this is cute, but dont forget that travel to new zealand is probably down 98% which is how stuff spreads anyways

i bet their hormone pill usage is through the roof !

You seem very obsessed about transgendered people. Maybe you should seek help?

[Jibartik]

I cant believe castle said he took a masters level stats class and posted a bunch expert information for 3 pages.

Polls = science

viral studies = libreal politics

lol you guys are really excited.

[Woke Locc]

https://i.imgur.com/yUYAUT0_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

[Pretzelle]

All hail our demon fox overlord

[Patriam1066]

100k votes across three states to flip the election isn't a close election because electoral college scoreboard... sure buddy.

Bush almost lost Ohio and the election in 2004 like that.... despite winning an outright majority in the popular vote

Honestly, the electoral college isn’t a probably. Civic and personality responsibility being at all time lows, however ...

[BlackBellamy]

Biden 2020 - Pack the courts, baby.

I just had a conversation with my friends over the weekend about this. We were over at Glen's garage making fun of his 1971 Dodge Challenger which he finally decided to start work on. That thing is so rusted out it's unbelievable. We're trying to tell him it's the fucking straight-six not the V8, just sell it! Even if you fix it up it's still not the V8 everyone wants. No, he loves it because he had a used one in high school. Sigh.

So anyway, between all the Coors Lite and the welding sparks going on, we're discussing court packing.

This is how the conversation went more or less:

Ed: We'll double the number of justices to 18 and appoint liberals to overwhelm the conservative majority.

Glen: When we get power back, we will expand the court to 90,000 justices, and every one will be a Scalia clone.

Ed: ...yeah well then we'll appoint a MILLION JUSTICES RIGHT BACK!!!

Glen: SIX MILLION!!!

Me: Is this because of the Holocaust?

Glen: Yup.

Me: Ha ha you're Jewish!

Glen: Get out of my garage!

[Toad1]

my neighbor has a camaro from the 70s he loves the same way, been in his garage 20 years

he smokes joints in it and says one day ill fix it up

thing reaks of weed so bad he would have to pull the interior and replace just to be able to drive the fucking thing

[Jibartik]

i play a video game from 1999

[Topgunben]

i play a video game from 1999

Ya but at least it’s an original restoration.

[Woke Locc]

Packing the courts is a terrible idea

[Jibartik]

Ya but at least it’s an original restoration.

its the fricken v50,000 of games so yeah ur right bout that lol

[Jibartik]

Packing the courts is a terrible idea

I like when John Adams the federalist knocked it down to 5.

They'd have to fire them, and at least 2 judges to do that to make it fair so my point is mute. But personally I really dont see adding 2 new judges as a bad thing (to maintain the odd number, since instead of putting federalists up there both sides are putting party ideologists now).

What's the difference between 11 judges and 9? I guess if you think trumps pics were federalists and the democrat pics would be draconian marxists that makes sense that you'd be against it.

But in the case that there were 11 federalists or 9, what would be the difference?

[Toad1]

Nothing close to original about p99 everything is either nerfed or op

[Patriam1066]

I like when John Adams the federalist knocked it down to 5.

They'd have to fire them, and at least 2 judges to do that to make it fair so my point is mute. But personally I really dont see adding 2 new judges as a bad thing (to maintain the odd number, since instead of putting federalists up there both sides are putting party ideologists now).

What's the difference between 11 judges and 9? I guess if you think trumps pics were federalists and the democrat pics would be draconian marxists that makes sense that you'd be against it.

But in the case that there were 11 federalists or 9, what would be the difference?

Once you start throwing away the norms, slippery slope

Trump started it, that’s not an excuse to accelerate the delegitimization of our institutions. Also, Roberts and Gorsuch have already proven they’re not conservative votes on every issue. Wait and see

[Woke Locc]

There Will Be No Trump Coup (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/10/opinion/sunday/trump-election-authoritarianism.html)

Our weak, ranting, infected-by-Covid chief executive is not plotting a coup, because a term like “plotting” implies capabilities that he conspicuously lacks.

[Jibartik]

Once you start throwing away the norms, slippery slope

Trump started it, that’s not an excuse to accelerate the delegitimization of our institutions. Also, Roberts and Gorsuch have already proven they’re not conservative votes on every issue. Wait and see

Serious question tho, why is 11 judges instead of 9 bad or different? I mean as far as I know Theodore Roosevelt started it. So I don’t see it as like a slimy tactic... especially when the goal is to balance the two political parties ideology and the Supreme Court, is that not a good thing?

[Patriam1066]

Serious question tho, why is 11 judges instead of 9 bad or different? I mean as far as I know Theodore Roosevelt started it. So I don’t see it as like a slimy tactic... especially when the goal is to balance the two political parties ideology and the Supreme Court, is that not a good thing?

Because the holy bible and the norms of this country matter. Challenge either and I will show you how dad did it, and how America does it

[Jimjam]

I’m confused. How did your dad influence the courts in America?

[Jibartik]

Because the holy bible and the norms of this country matter. Challenge either and I will show you how dad did it, and how America does it

Some would argue the bible says to be socialist. :o

edit: But still I don't know why 11 is bad but 9 is good, anyone? Or does everyone know this is a red herring but we still argue about it anyway? That would make the most sense lol

[FatherSioux]

Some would argue the bible says to be socialist. :o

edit: But still I don't know why 11 is bad but 9 is good, anyone? Or does everyone know this is a red herring but we still argue about it anyway? That would make the most sense lol

The burden of that argument isn’t why it’s bad, it’s why it’s good. It’s an obvious move to pack the courts with legislate from the bench liberal judges. The Right does not legislate from the bench the same way the left does. The left sees the SCOTUS, as another branch to legislate from. The right sees it as a way to protect the tenants of the constitution. The left wants to turn this country into another dump like Europe and doesn’t understand the beauty that is the freedom loving American Dream.

PS: RBG was a mediocre judge and the left pretending like she was special proves my points.

[Jibartik]

Hmm if that's true, can you explain why the Right that wants to overturn Roe v Wade (for the evangelical vote) -- while the Democrats and their appointed judges are the ones that protect these libertarian values: "we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration"

Edit: The argument I have as to why it's good is: any persons opinion that the right or the left is nazi or marxist or (legislate/don't legislate, good/evil) should be mute, we should not let either of those "sides" have complete/majority control of the SCOTUS... Therefore if one side packs the court with judges that are in line with their ideology so the voters are happy, we need to make sure the other side that is trying to protect other voter's ideologies have an equal voice, (as this is a representational democracy).

[Patriam1066]

I’d bet $88 trump would get his ass kicked in a fist fight with Biden

[BlackBellamy]

I’d bet $88 trump would get his ass kicked in a fist fight with Biden

I'll raise you to $1488. My guy has 3" height advantage, way longer reach, an extra eighty pounds and is four years younger. Watch him seize power, establish breathing room, then push Biden as far east as he can with his armored gloves.

[FatherSioux]

Hmm if that's true, can you explain why the Right that wants to overturn Roe v Wade (for the evangelical vote) -- while the Democrats and their appointed judges are the ones that protect these libertarian values: "we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration"

Edit: The argument I have as to why it's good is: any persons opinion that the right or the left is nazi or marxist or (legislate/don't legislate, good/evil) should be mute, we should not let either of those "sides" have complete/majority control of the SCOTUS... Therefore if one side packs the court with judges that are in line with their ideology so the voters are happy, we need to make sure the other side that is trying to protect other voter's ideologies have an equal voice, (as this is a representational democracy).

They don’t want to overturn Roe. This is a false narrative. Primarily due to stare decisis.. As it stands today only one justice would overturn Roe vs Wade. This is the Lefts worst nightmare, Clarence Thomas. Even if it was over turned though it would then become
a states right, which is how this should be handled. Which is a great segue, the Left routinely oversteps via the court by not letting states make
These decisions. Gay marriage and likely soon legalization of weed. You can argue merits on either side but these should be states rights.

[Pretzelle]

They don’t want to overturn Roe. This is a false narrative. Primarily due to stare decisis.. As it stands today only one justice would overturn Roe vs Wade. This is the Lefts worst nightmare, Clarence Thomas. Even if it was over turned though it would then become
a states right, which is how this should be handled. Which is a great segue, the Left routinely oversteps via the court by not letting states make
These decisions. Gay marriage and likely soon legalization of weed. You can argue merits on either side but these should be states rights.

Why should individual states control constitutional freedoms?

[FatherSioux]

Why should individual states control constitutional freedoms?

Need to use more words friend. What freedoms do you speak of?

[BlackBellamy]

Hmm if that's true, can you explain why the Right that wants to overturn Roe v Wade (for the evangelical vote) -- while the Democrats and their appointed judges are the ones that protect these libertarian values: "we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration"


I'm going to turn this around on you. The Republicans are trying to appoint judges that respect the sanctity of human life and also very importantly follow the intent and the words of the Constitution, whereas the Democrats like to appoint judges that allow people to murder other human beings in the name of 'privacy' and they do this not because they are idealistic but because they are venal.

Here's a intellectual exercise for you. You really want to kill your neighbor. Really really. So one day you pop him in the head and the police come and you're like sorry, this is a private matter and the government shouldn't get into it.

But the police are like no, this is a murder scene. And you're like listen; this guy was affecting our quality of life. He kept playing loud music for nine months. And then on the tenth month he turned it up louder, so we couldn't sleep at all. When we confronted him, he said he was going to keep doing it for the next eighteen years, maybe twenty. How can we enjoy our lives? How can we make all that money we planned, how can we buy stuff and go on vacations with all this? Thank you for staying out of this private matter, we have given this our conscientious consideration and decided it was all good.

You have just aborted your loathsome neighbor for convenience.

Keep in mind that the vast vast majority of abortions are performed for convenience. So the career doesn't go off track. So daddy doesn't get mad. So you can still party.

This is why I and other Republicans object to Roe v. Wade. Not because it legalized abortion. No one in their right mind understands abortion can be completely banned. It's because it legalized abortion for convenience as a matter of privacy and said yes this is Constitutional and proper. We disagree. If you want to have your abortions you need to come up with a better reason than it's my business.

Roe v. Wade is an abomination as jurisprudence because it invents new "rights" from whole cloth. Literally the only mention of "privacy" in the Constitution is the 4th Amendment:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,[a] against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated,

Think long and hard, take all the time you need, and try to come up how that one sentence allows you to kill the baby in your womb.

[BlackBellamy]

protect these libertarian values: [

I would also caution against using the word "libertarian" to mean free as in "freedom" and positing it as something desirable. I would suggest it means something closer to "selfish" and "irresponsible".

Some theorists, such as Hayek (1960), argue that it can be permissible for people to be forced to pay for basic police services. But this argument seems problematic within libertarian theory. If people do not agree to their legitimate possessions being used for these purposes, it would be unjust to force them to pay for these services, even if they clearly benefit a benefit as a result. After all, libertarians generally deny that merely receiving a benefit suffices to justify enforceable requirements to pay

I think people should think hard about supporting a philosophy which posits that forcing people to pay for police protection is unjustifiable coercion.

I gotta tell you, I wouldn't want to live next door to a libertarian.

Would you?

[FatherSioux]

BlackBellamy gets it.

[Toad1]

There Will Be No Trump Coup (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/10/opinion/sunday/trump-election-authoritarianism.html)


By Ross Douthat
Opinion Columnist

What is this pussy going to do when trump wins shit himself?

10$ he got his tater tots stolen every monday in elementary school, id squish his burger too

[Woke Locc]

Think long and hard, take all the time you need, and try to come up how that one sentence allows you to kill the baby in your womb.

The womb is generally regarded as a private area, as settled in Birds v. Bees

[Donkey Hotay]

libertarians generally deny that merely receiving a benefit suffices to justify enforceable requirements to pay

I think people should think hard about supporting a philosophy which posits that forcing people to pay for police protection is unjustifiable coercion.

Replace police with say, the BBC license fee and that position takes on a favorable aspect.
I'm not advocating libertarianism--my simplistic gut take is that it requires a higher IQ parity than humanity demonstrates and is therefore political philosophic wankery. I prefer my governing systems to pay at least lip service to protecting the stupid from the amoral.

[Pretzelle]

Republicans and Evangelicals don't care about human life. They just want other people to have sex by their rules. Abortion should be a conversation between the woman and her doctor. Anyone else is just invading her private decisions and forcing their morality and religion on her.

[FatherSioux]

Anyone else is just invading her private decisions and forcing their morality and religion on her.

The irony here is amazing. Her decisions affect the living creature in her womb, the father and herself.

Also you’re advocating killing tiny humans and waving the morality flag, it’s astounding the leap of ignorance that takes. The left is the one forcing its ideas on the country. Redefining terms at breakneck speeds. Racism, marriage these no longer means what they truly mean. Men and women are social constructs, it’s pure lunacy. Now packing the court is being defined as appointing judges just like all other presidents have done in the past.

The left continues to not like what America was founded on. They champion ideas that have failed across the globe for ages. They carry with them a childish view of humanity and fail to apply common sense to their policies.

Make no mistake the Left is trying to rip the heart and soul out of the greatest force of global well-being in our species history. Vote R

[Woke Locc]

Republicans and Evangelicals don't care about human life. They just want other people to have sex by their rules. Abortion should be a conversation between the woman and her doctor. Anyone else is just invading her private decisions and forcing their morality and religion on her.

If a fetus is a person, they can be found in unlawful detainer and be given the ol' bums rush.

Such is Libertarianism.

[Jibartik]

Wait a minute let me get this straight you say that the Democrats are trying to use the Scotus to legislate and now we're all posting about how abortion is wrong implying you want the Scotus to make it so it can’t be done?

So as someone who doesn’t like either political party I feel like the right is packing the court to legislate. The court will need 11 judges so america doesn’t legislate with the Scotus.

The question isn’t do you like abortion the question is do you want legislation coming from the Scotus because you made it clear that the left does that, but using the Scotus to repeal row versus Wade is literately that.

Can you find me an example where the Scotus is used to create legislation that is pro liberal or leftist? I’m just curious because I really don’t know do you do you guys have any examples of that?

Row versus Wade is not leftist, it’s Anti-federalist.

It seems the only one trying to create legislation’s are the ones that are trying to use Scotus to encourage evangelicals that desperately want that, to vote for them.

For the record I’m pro life I think that life begins the moment a child would be born if you were to live your life normally and do nothing to stop it.

If a mother eats and sleeps for nine months a baby comes out of them the only way a baby won’t come out of them is if they actively do something to kill the baby.

But that’s totally my opinion that I only tell my friends I don’t think that that’s an opinion that I should force on anyone!

I get that it seems similar to me allowing murder but I’m sorry if you think those two things are the same then we might as well force masks because that also saves lives.

So I don’t see how you could be pro protecting a fetus but not pro protecting people that are vulnerable to Covid.

[Jibartik]

It’s an obvious move to pack the courts with legislate from the bench liberal judges. The Right does not legislate from the bench the same way the left does. The left sees the SCOTUS, as another branch to legislate from. The right sees it as a way to protect the tenants of the constitution.

The Republicans are trying to appoint judges that respect the sanctity of human life and also very importantly follow the intent and the words of the Constitution, whereas the Democrats like to appoint judges that allow people to murder other human beings in the name of 'privacy' [the constitutional right to privacy]

Like this post 100% contradicts your post FS, but you said, that BB "gets it"

This is why I dont get it.

Again, im pro life, just pro constitution as well, and in this instance the democrats are the ones protecting it. The conversation isnt about your moral stance on abortion, its about if you think the scotus should legislate or not.

This proves that you need democrats and republicans to fight for the constitution, it proves that we need a balanced number of judges, not a court packed with one ideology that thinks it's protecting the sanctity of life.

If one political party, packs the court with their ideology, we need balance, we need the other side. Otherwise, legislating is exactly what you're trying to do.

[FatherSioux]

Righties appoint to uphold the Constitution. Lefties appoint to make laws they can’t get passed via legislation.

The 14th amendment states ”... nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

The right to life is in the constitution. As Bellamy said, privacy isn’t in the constitution, which is the backbone of RvW.

The left is eroding the constitution, along with the executive branch power creep.

[Jibartik]

Righties appoint to uphold the Constitution. Lefties appoint to make laws they can’t get passed via legislation.

The Republicans are trying to appoint judges that respect the sanctity of human life

BlackBellamy gets it.

[FatherSioux]

The sanctity of life is in the 14th amendment. Meaning it was already a thing, changing that is legislating against the Constitution. So there or the judges who vow to uphold that are not changing laws they are upholding existing virtues that this country was founded on.

[Toad1]

Abortions should be mandatory in the US due to overpopulation unless you have a net worth of at least 2m

anyone pro life is pro poverty and has nothing in the bank

Hope this helps ( it probably wont )

[Jibartik]

The sanctity of life is in the 14th amendment.

14th amendment is how they passed roe v wade 7-2.

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States

RE the 14th amendment defining life:

nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

On jurisdiction: All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof

Haha ok well, I'm gonna just have to agree to disagree on this one.

Tough thing for me is 50 million people wont. :(

[Toad1]

Lets just have babies as fast as we can on a ridiculously overpopulated planet

we surely need more pollution, carbon footprint and theres plenty of genetically modified food for the baby right?

we have perfected roundup ready carbs and our meats have a 20% hormone and antibiotic feed ratio so those are super healthy, yea they dont exercise either

if your lucky the little terd will grow up autistic or become a transgender and you will probably have to call the cops on it to get it to move out of your house at age 45

[White_knight]

Righties appoint to uphold the Constitution. Lefties appoint to make laws they can’t get passed via legislation.

The 14th amendment states ”... nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

The right to life is in the constitution. As Bellamy said, privacy isn’t in the constitution, which is the backbone of RvW.

The left is eroding the constitution, along with the executive branch power creep.

This guy gets it.

The Youth of today are brain dead social media zombies who can't see beyond the 'feelings' of things.









Also...imagine voting for Biden lol

[Jibartik]

As someone who appreciates justice, I'm just glad the people fighting to protect the constitution argue that the 4th amendment doesn't protect our right to privacy.

Gotta get into those DMs so we can catch the decenters!

It will be fun laughing about how you wanted this while we're both running from the dogs of war.

[FatherSioux]

So you’re stance is unborn babies aren’t afforded any rights until they are born. Yikes

[Jibartik]

So you’re stance is unborn babies aren’t afforded any rights until they are born. Yikes

My stance is irrelevant.

What matters is the language in the constitution, citizenship is and was (when the constitution was written) granted at birth.

If a child is conceived in America, does that make it an American citizen? No. But if it's born here, that's another story.

[FatherSioux]

Once your opponent sinks to semantics, you know you’ve reached the depth of their ability. Take note kids.

[Jibartik]

lol I'm speaking of legal definitions, you're speaking of semantics! I already said I can live with agreeing to disagree, you cant even do that. See what I mean, you guys are going to round me and everyone like me up and put me in guillotines I just know it! :(

[peterpal]

Late abortions are extremely rare. And in most cases those stats only show up where no abortion would be fatal for the mother and the child having no chance to live anyway.
No mother waits 9 months and then says pls remove lol.
A full term pregnancy is 40 weeks and late term abortions (1% of all abortions) are within 20 weeks.

I remember the 2016 debate where Trump said "democrats want to allow a baby to be ripped from the mother’s womb moments from birth".
Which is wrong and also ironical how he profited from fetal stem cell research in his recovery with Regeneron.