NY GRAND JURY VOTES TO INDICT TRUMP

[unsunghero]

I mean, arresting political rivals is bad optics and it’s the guy who is near guaranteed to not win the general election and was too old even if he did

So….woot?

[BigChief]

I would pull the lever to fry the POS traitor.

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a18ac7a7ca7f3e1468074417a16ea1c731017409755ac3abba af0cc3cdc42fa8.jpg?w=800&h=708

[Origen]

I mean, arresting political rivals is bad optics and it’s the guy who is near guaranteed to not win the general election and was too old even if he did

So….woot?Doing nothing about an attempt to overturn a democratic election is bad optics.

I still think he'll worm out of it, the legal system is built to protect people like Orange Man

[Landroval]

Doing nothing about an attempt to overturn a democratic election is bad optics.

I still think he'll worm out of it, the legal system is built to protect people like Orange Man

Well... It is jewish. Bread and circus. It helps to build the "the people's Rebel" schtick if he appears to be harangued by it to no avail, in case they want to use him again.

[aussenseiter]

You maybe assuming they don't just decline to protect him; well within their right. :)

Sounds reasonable.

[unsunghero]

Doing nothing about an attempt to overturn a democratic election is bad optics.

I still think he'll worm out of it, the legal system is built to protect people like Orange Man

Sure sure, it will be funny when whoever wins the primary also then immediately gets arrested

And Biden will say “well it’s because they’re all criminals” and it will come out that hundreds of lawsuits will have been filed against them like Alvin Bragg did with Trump in the hopes that one or two will stick

[Landroval]

No one is going to get arrested, it's all part of the show.

[unsunghero]

No one is going to get arrested, it's all part of the show.

I wouldn’t bank on that

“Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime”

Almost anyone, if you comb through their life with a fine tooth comb has broken some laws, and if you file hundreds of frivolous lawsuits without consequence against them, you can financially ruin them even if none stick. But some probably will

That’s my cynical viewpoint

[aussenseiter]

Don't try to rope a dope me.

What is the mechanism by which my thoughts are not mine? Before you answer, let me warn you, I am a technological determinist. I don't believe in free will.

I believe in the 7th Fleet
https://i.imgur.com/Em9rzpz.jpg

Who drives the boat?

[Landroval]

I wouldn’t bank on that

“Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime”

Almost anyone, if you comb through their life with a fine tooth comb has broken some laws, and if you file hundreds of frivolous lawsuits without consequence against them, you can financially ruin them even if none stick. But some probably will

That’s my cynical viewpoint

If they financially ruin Trump then he might have a modicum of relatability while pretending to be "one of us"

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

There's no power in stupidity just chaos and blood.

Look ya'll i'm willing to make the ultimate sacrifice if ya'll are needing to do the things to fix what is wrong with this country buttt i do not have high hopes that anyone can

just let the markets pick the next prez

(^^ southerner)

[Ooloo]

Doing nothing about an attempt to overturn a democratic election is bad optics.

I still think he'll worm out of it, the legal system is built to protect people like Orange Man

Trump thought the dems were trying to overturn the legitimate election result by cheating. In fact that's the entire trump legal defense; he didn't think he was overthrowing anything, he thought he was *upholding* democracy by rejecting a fraudulent result. They literally have no evidence that he didn't believe that, other than "some of his advisors told him he lost". Like, okay so? He didn't believe them, clearly.

And yeah dems maybe should stop talking about the sanctity of our elections after shrieking that 2016 was stolen and then trying to imprison their primary opposition this cycle. If you can't detect the obvious corruption here then spare me the lectures about government impropriety by republicans.

"To protect democracy, we must make sure that the guy half the country wants to vote for can't run!!".

You can't make this stuff up.

[Origen]

Ooloo is making up positions for his enemies and then arguing against those positions again. He can, and does, make this stuff up.

[aussenseiter]

Trump thought the dems were trying to overturn the legitimate election result by cheating. In fact that's the entire trump legal defense; he didn't think he was overthrowing anything, he thought he was *upholding* democracy by rejecting a fraudulent result. They literally have no evidence that he didn't believe that, other than "some of his advisors told him he lost". Like, okay so? He didn't believe them, clearly.

And yeah dems maybe should stop talking about the sanctity of our elections after shrieking that 2016 was stolen and then trying to imprison their primary opposition this cycle. If you can't detect the obvious corruption here then spare me the lectures about government impropriety by republicans.

"To protect democracy, we must make sure that the guy half the country wants to vote for can't run!!".

You can't make this stuff up.

RDS people are saying whining and false allegations are allowed everywhere except inside a courtroom.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

The fact is power exists. We ride on top of it or get crushed underneath it. The trick is to make sure you just stay on top, no?

And to be a good sport, help those getting crushed. People aren't power theorists.
https://i.imgur.com/v8kpKjX.jpg

That's true John, that's true, and that is not what I am contesting. Everone *does* know something, often a lot of things.

My claim is, no one knows everything, and very few know much, given how much there is to know.
https://i.imgur.com/hJLBv25.jpg

Some ask, "Tell me how such a confused people die."

I will tell you how they live.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Racketeering.

That's the big boy. No pardons. State trial. Georgia does not allow the governor to pardon RICO offenses.

5 year mandatory minimum.

30+ unnamed co-conspirators. Can I get me some Vegas odds on how many of those have already tried to flip, to get the best deal by being the early canary?

Five years. No chance of a pardon. And these are state-level actors. They have money but not this much money. This is where the Republican Party is going to hang Trump. A State has to do it.

Sherman has taught Georgia very well. Now butter my bread.

[Origen]

I suddenly wish that I didn't have Fulton county plates on my car.

[aussenseiter]

Racketeering.

That's the big boy. No pardons. State trial. Georgia does not allow the governor to pardon RICO offenses.

5 year mandatory minimum.

30+ unnamed co-conspirators. Can I get me some Vegas odds on how many of those have already tried to flip, to get the best deal by being the early canary?

Five years. No chance of a pardon. And these are state-level actors. They have money but not this much money. This is where the Republican Party is going to hang Trump. A State has to do it.

Sherman has taught Georgia very well. Now butter my bread.

Governor can't pardon at all in Georgia it says.

Weird that county prosecutors can now indict the President Emeritus. Gonna be a wild ride.

3,142

[Horza]

Well... It is jewish. Bread and circus. It helps to build the "the people's Rebel" schtick if he appears to be harangued by it to no avail, in case they want to use him again.

I'm generally avoiding these forums, but Teppler is going all out on the antisemitism since he realized staff is no longer enforcing the rules.

[Origen]

I'm generally avoiding these forums, but Teppler is going all out on the antisemitism since he realized staff is no longer enforcing the rules._Ec9yuBKcck

[Ooloo]

Ooloo is making up positions for his enemies and then arguing against those positions again. He can, and does, make this stuff up.

Other than the fact I didn't make anything up I guess I make stuff up, okie doke!

Oh wait, did you mean because the thing I put in quotes wasn't really a quote from somebody? Right, it's called a polemic. Dems use them all the time, what's the problem? I was just describing exactly what they're doing, not suggesting it was a literal quote or something you silly goose.

[Horza]

There's no power in stupidity just chaos and blood.

Look ya'll i'm willing to make the ultimate sacrifice if ya'll are needing to do the things to fix what is wrong with this country buttt i do not have high hopes that anyone can

just let the markets pick the next prez

Trump's polling like 4-7 points behind and he isn't even convicted yet, but GOP cultists aren't about to backpedal on labelling him their messiah or whatever they call the fat pedophile these days.

[Origen]

Other than the fact I didn't make anything up I guess I make stuff up, okie doke!

Oh wait, did you mean because the thing I put in quotes wasn't really a quote from somebody? Right, it's called a polemic. Dems use them all the time, what's the problem? I was just describing exactly what they're doing, not suggesting it was a literal quote or something you silly goose.You're gonna lose a fingernail if you keep scraping the bottom of the barrel like that.

[Ooloo]

You're gonna lose a fingernail if you keep scraping the bottom of the barrel like that.

Nuh uh more like that's what YOU do

See I can argue like a 6th grader also.

[aussenseiter]

Trump's polling like 4-7 points behind and he isn't even convicted yet, but GOP cultists aren't about to backpedal on labelling him their messiah or whatever they call the fat pedophile these days.

Putting him on TV everyday for the next year and a half will do wonders to tank his numbers.

[Horza]

Putting him on TV everyday for the next year and a half will do wonders to tank his numbers.

I'm sure there's a ton of undecideds out there who don't already think that he's a disgusting rapist :p

[aussenseiter]

I'm sure there's a ton of undecideds out there who don't already think that he's a disgusting rapist :p

The hubris of 2016 rides again. 😑

[Origen]

Nuh uh more like that's what YOU do

See I can argue like a 6th grader also.I bow to your experience.

[Toxigen]

https://i.imgur.com/pjqQBGi.gif

[PRogers]

Trump thought the dems were trying to overturn the legitimate election result by cheating. In fact that's the entire trump legal defense; he didn't think he was overthrowing anything, he thought he was *upholding* democracy by rejecting a fraudulent result. They literally have no evidence that he didn't believe that, other than "some of his advisors told him he lost". Like, okay so? He didn't believe them, clearly.

And yeah dems maybe should stop talking about the sanctity of our elections after shrieking that 2016 was stolen and then trying to imprison their primary opposition this cycle. If you can't detect the obvious corruption here then spare me the lectures about government impropriety by republicans.

"To protect democracy, we must make sure that the guy half the country wants to vote for can't run!!".

You can't make this stuff up.


Already proved that was a lie. He never believed it was stolen. We have the memos already. He knew it wasnt stolen. He knew he was lying. How do we know this? Again, we have the memo's from his white house. His staffers. His hand picked employees.

"[I]t it is important that the alternate slates of electors meet and vote on December 14 if we are to create a scenario under which Biden can be prevented from reaching 270 electoral votes, even if Trump has not managed by then to obtain court decisions (or state legislative resolutions) invalidating enough results to push Biden below 270"

Oooooooof.

You didnt read the memo, obviously.

[Origen]

It's ol' pudding finger's moment to shine. Pass the mic to the man with negative charisma.

[Origen]

Would any Trump supporters care to make a wager?

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4153153-trump-claims-report-will-result-in-complete-exoneration-in-georgia/amp/

“A Large, Complex, Detailed but Irrefutable REPORT on the Presidential Election Fraud which took place in Georgia is almost complete & will be presented by me at a major News Conference at 11:00 A.M. on Monday of next week in Bedminster, New Jersey,” he said.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Weird that county prosecutors can now indict the President Emeritus.

State capitol. Charges involve tampering with the ability of the State of Georgia to perform said former president's lost election.

Stop being a pussy. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Or maybe you can. Go for it.

But you're still being a pussy. This dude is dead, and for pretty good reason. The cult hates to hear they got ultra-gulled, but that happens in life. One can snort as much copain or copium as one wants, but when you lost a gamble you lost a gamble.

Hit the lights

But you know what? Let's play another hand.

[Horza]

https://i.imgur.com/pjqQBGi.gif

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/08/15/16/74342943-12409105-image-a-4_1692114305263.jpg

lmao

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

It's ol' pudding finger's moment to shine. Pass the mic to the man with negative charisma.

"I have not yet begun to eat my pudding" -- John Paul DeSantis, great great great uncle.

"Puddingfinger" sounds like a Butthole Surfers take on a Neil Young song.

"Look out mama there's a short man coming up the driveway!"

[aussenseiter]

State capitol. Charges involve tampering with the ability of the State of Georgia to perform said former president's lost election.

Stop being a pussy. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Or maybe you can. Go for it.

But you're still being a pussy. This dude is dead, and for pretty good reason. The cult hates to hear they got ultra-gulled, but that happens in life. One can snort as much copain or copium as one wants, but when you lost a gamble you lost a gamble.

Hit the lights

But you know what? Let's play another hand.

Georgia Attorney General Carr warns of imposters posing as law enforcement officials (https://ocgnews.com/georgia-attorney-general-carr-warns-of-imposters-posing-as-law-enforcement-officials/)

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Georgia Attorney General Carr warns of imposters posing as law enforcement officials (https://ocgnews.com/georgia-attorney-general-carr-warns-of-imposters-posing-as-law-enforcement-officials/)

If you are referring to the "mix up" back in 2019, that was just bullshit. They replaced all the staff at the DA's office for good reason, and the officers were plainclothes, duh.

[Homesteaded]

Already proved that was a lie. He never believed it was stolen. We have the memos already. He knew it wasnt stolen. He knew he was lying. How do we know this? Again, we have the memo's from his white house. His staffers. His hand picked employees.

"[I]t it is important that the alternate slates of electors meet and vote on December 14 if we are to create a scenario under which Biden can be prevented from reaching 270 electoral votes, even if Trump has not managed by then to obtain court decisions (or state legislative resolutions) invalidating enough results to push Biden below 270"

Oooooooof.

You didnt read the memo, obviously.

This doesn’t mean what you think it does. This half baked theory hinges on proving Trump didn’t think the election was stolen. He’s been saying it was stolen loudly and publicly for years.

The documents case is stronger but it’s also a crime that has been ignored in the past. You decide why it’s now such a pressing issue. It’s corruption. It’s also a “crime” no one gives a shit about.

Why aren’t they charging him with charges relating to Jan 6 INSURRECTION!!! because they don’t have anything to go on.

After Russia hoax, pee tape, Ukraine, allllll of these were jokes and political moves. It’s astonishing to see so many still buying this narrative. All because you don’t like the heel, or can’t appreciate it.

SCOTUS will overturn this pony show.

Jack Smith is not a winner.

Jack Smith had case unanimously overturned (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/supreme-court-rules-unanimously-in-favor-of-former-va-robert-f-mcdonnell-in-corruption-case/2016/06/27/38526a94-3c75-11e6-a66f-aa6c1883b6b1_story.html)

[Ooloo]

It was PROVED what was going on in donald trump's head because memo!

The memo is referencing the actual procedure for contesting an election, which is not some kind of crime. They just desperately want it to be one.

Where did trump ever say anything even remotely like "Guys I know I lost, but let's just take over anyway!". That is essentially what they're alleging and need to prove. Considering literally every other attempt to get the dastardly donald trump has failed, I'm sure this one will work.

Meanwhile the bidens are like a billion times more corrupt but hey whateverrrrr, they're the good guy team, derp! It's a total joke- no principles, no standards, just get that bad orange man because we're children.

[unsunghero]

get that bad orange man because we're children.

*get whoever is going to be running against Biden. If not Trump, I guarantee the lawsuits and investigations will happen to whoever replaces him as well

[Ooloo]

*get whoever is going to be running against Biden. If not Trump, I guarantee the lawsuits and investigations will happen to whoever replaces him as well

Very true. If he wasn't running again there's a 1000% chance none of this would be happening and they'd be bringing a similar ridiculous litany of bullshit charges against desantis or whoever.

For some reason people think I'm some big trump guy but I'd rather him just bow out. I kinda like Vivek the most honestly.

[unsunghero]

I kinda like Vivek the most honestly.

I played too much Elder Scrolls Morrowind, so every time I hear that name I can’t help but think about

[Origen]

This doesn’t mean what you think it does. This half baked theory hinges on proving Trump didn’t think the election was stolen. He’s been saying it was stolen loudly and publicly for years.

The documents case is stronger but it’s also a crime that has been ignored in the past. You decide why it’s now such a pressing issue. It’s corruption. It’s also a “crime” no one gives a shit about.

Why aren’t they charging him with charges relating to Jan 6 INSURRECTION!!! because they don’t have anything to go on.

After Russia hoax, pee tape, Ukraine, allllll of these were jokes and political moves. It’s astonishing to see so many still buying this narrative. All because you don’t like the heel, or can’t appreciate it.

SCOTUS will overturn this pony show.

Jack Smith is not a winner.

Jack Smith had case unanimously overturned (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/supreme-court-rules-unanimously-in-favor-of-former-va-robert-f-mcdonnell-in-corruption-case/2016/06/27/38526a94-3c75-11e6-a66f-aa6c1883b6b1_story.html)Ooloo check it out its a literal appeal to authority

Debate club rules togglee on or off for this post?

[Origen]

Yeah I meant to type togglee

[Origen]

Very true. If he wasn't running again there's a 1000% chance none of this would be happening and they'd be bringing a similar ridiculous litany of bullshit charges against desantis or whoever.

For some reason people think I'm some big trump guy but I'd rather him just bow out. I kinda like Vivek the most honestly.Also we all know you fellas would support this wholeheartedly if it was the Bidens facing eight thousand felonies, but I do enjoy this feeble stuff you fellas are spitting today. I am sure they will cite your posts in the trials to come

I'm going bowling now, go team antifa

[aussenseiter]

I kinda like Vivek the most honestly.

https://i.imgur.com/QPLJsfl.png

[Ooloo]

Ooloo check it out its a literal appeal to authority

Debate club rules togglee on or off for this post?

Haha that's not an appeal to authority.

You must first actually learn the rules of debate club before you go about bending them.

[mcoy]

https://i.imgur.com/Em9rzpz.jpg

Does anyone remember the game this image is from? Every time someone posts it I forget to ask... MoO?

-Mcoy

[unsunghero]

I'm going bowling now, go team antifa

Is it embarrassing when you ask them to put the bumpers up in the lane? ;)

[Homesteaded]

Also we all know you fellas would support this wholeheartedly if it was the Bidens facing eight thousand felonies, but I do enjoy this feeble stuff you fellas are spitting today. I am sure they will cite your posts in the trials to come

I'm going bowling now, go team antifa

“It’s fine, these guys would totally act like this if they were me.”
-delusional zealot

[aussenseiter]

“It’s fine, these guys would totally act like this if they were me.”
-delusional zealot

Lock her up!

JlXPtw9Bxvc

[Ekco]

Does anyone remember the game this image is from? Every time someone posts it I forget to ask... MoO?

-Mcoy

MoO 2

Ailis the Gifted

Environmentalist -10% (-10% per level)
Medicine +15% (+5% per level)
Spiritual Leader +10% (+10% per level)

[Ooloo]

Lock her up!


I have no idea what this is but the dude is clearly not dumb enough to not understand such a simple irony.

I like parliamentary dramas though

[aussenseiter]

I have no idea what this is but the dude is clearly not dumb enough to not understand such a simple irony.

I like parliamentary dramas though

Speaker is right, the pink ladies are MLs, it's in South Africa.

"Lock her up!"

[Origen]

“It’s fine, these guys would totally act like this if they were me.”
-delusional zealotOh there wouldn't be a legal case for Orange Man because I would have launched him into the sun back in 2016 if I was in charge.

Is it embarrassing when you ask them to put the bumpers up in the lane? ;)One dude we played against got a 298 :eek:

[mcoy]

MoO 2

Ailis the Gifted

Environmentalist -10% (-10% per level)
Medicine +15% (+5% per level)
Spiritual Leader +10% (+10% per level)

Ah, thank you. I knew it looked familiar!

-Mcoy

[Origen]

Haha that's not an appeal to authority.

You must first actually learn the rules of debate club before you go about bending them.The rules of debate club only apply when you are losing an argument, and thus, not in this case. Understood!

[Crepido]

Does anyone remember the game this image is from? Every time someone posts it I forget to ask... MoO?

-Mcoy

master of orion 2, that picture is of a planetary hero you can indtall into one of your solar systems. eco, crowth friendly, there's much better heroes tbh.

[PRogers]

It was PROVED what was going on in donald trump's head because memo!

The memo is referencing the actual procedure for contesting an election, which is not some kind of crime. They just desperately want it to be one.

Where did trump ever say anything even remotely like "Guys I know I lost, but let's just take over anyway!". That is essentially what they're alleging and need to prove. Considering literally every other attempt to get the dastardly donald trump has failed, I'm sure this one will work.

Meanwhile the bidens are like a billion times more corrupt but hey whateverrrrr, they're the good guy team, derp! It's a total joke- no principles, no standards, just get that bad orange man because we're children.

snort that cope. Mmmf. slut

[PRogers]

This doesn’t mean what you think it does. This half baked theory hinges on proving Trump didn’t think the election was stolen. He’s been saying it was stolen loudly and publicly for years.

The documents case is stronger but it’s also a crime that has been ignored in the past. You decide why it’s now such a pressing issue. It’s corruption. It’s also a “crime” no one gives a shit about.

Why aren’t they charging him with charges relating to Jan 6 INSURRECTION!!! because they don’t have anything to go on.

After Russia hoax, pee tape, Ukraine, allllll of these were jokes and political moves. It’s astonishing to see so many still buying this narrative. All because you don’t like the heel, or can’t appreciate it.

SCOTUS will overturn this pony show.

Jack Smith is not a winner.

Jack Smith had case unanimously overturned (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/supreme-court-rules-unanimously-in-favor-of-former-va-robert-f-mcdonnell-in-corruption-case/2016/06/27/38526a94-3c75-11e6-a66f-aa6c1883b6b1_story.html)


Fraud cannot be proven. Lying cannot be proven. After all, we simply cant know what anyone was thinking so all fraud is now legal. "I didnt know I was lying about stealing all your money when I promised to give you a 10% return on investment".

Thats dumb. "There is just no way to know anything, really." - right wingers.

[Origen]

Remember when Bill Clinton said “It depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is.”?

That's basically the sort of fraternity bro defense the online right is adopting. They just happen to be defending a pedophile/rapist, just like Bill Clinton was.

It's gratifying to watch them cope and seethe.

[Evia]

It's not as gratifying as watching you have a full come apart on elf forum over orange man, I promise.

[aussenseiter]

Fraud cannot be proven. Lying cannot be proven. After all, we simply cant know what anyone was thinking so all fraud is now legal. "I didnt know I was lying about stealing all your money when I promised to give you a 10% return on investment".

Thats dumb. "There is just no way to know anything, really." - right wingers.

It doesn't matter what Tromp thinks, unreasonable people go to jail all the time.

[Elizondo]

someone was logged into their alt account

lawl ...

[arvidez]

Don't try to rope a dope me.

What is the mechanism by which my thoughts are not mine? Before you answer, let me warn you, I am a technological determinist. I don't believe in free will.

I believe in the 7th Fleet
https://i.imgur.com/Em9rzpz.jpg

if you have ears to hear. or without free will, ears that will hear for you...

orange man has been designed to evoke emotions. these emotions come "imbued with thoughts".

i sometimes image tech being the flower to the stem of humanity..but mostly not

[Homesteaded]

Fraud cannot be proven. Lying cannot be proven. After all, we simply cant know what anyone was thinking so all fraud is now legal. "I didnt know I was lying about stealing all your money when I promised to give you a 10% return on investment".

Thats dumb. "There is just no way to know anything, really." - right wingers.

No see you don’t get it. The rule of law says you need to prove that the defendant knew the election was lost and was trying to steal/overturn an election he knew he lost. That is not the same as someone who thinks the election was stolen.

Ask yourself this, what action is too far if a US election was stolen?

[Origen]

someone was logged into their alt account

lawl ...Cope and seethe, buckaroo, I'm lovin' it

[aussenseiter]

The rule of law says you need to prove that the defendant knew the election was lost and was trying to steal/overturn an election he knew he lost.

Polly want a cracker? :rolleyes:

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

This doesn’t mean what you think it does. This half baked theory hinges on proving Trump didn’t think the election was stolen. He’s been saying it was stolen loudly and publicly for years.

The documents case is stronger but it’s also a crime that has been ignored in the past. You decide why it’s now such a pressing issue. It’s corruption. It’s also a “crime” no one gives a shit about.

Why aren’t they charging him with charges relating to Jan 6 INSURRECTION!!! because they don’t have anything to go on.

After Russia hoax, pee tape, Ukraine, allllll of these were jokes and political moves. It’s astonishing to see so many still buying this narrative. All because you don’t like the heel, or can’t appreciate it.



There is a sick part of me which would love to see how your mind calculates likelihoods, but then I realize, I know how it's done already. You begin with the preferred conclusion, then backplow the reasoning to get there.

Trumpers always say it is the people trying to hold him accountable who are "obsessed" but that's something I wish you could understand. I'm no more obsessed about him than I am any other predator. I like to see them held accountable, yes.

There are a lot of predators in the world. The secret to sanity is to be cool, calm, and collected about trying to bring justice.

Consider who is obsessed here very carefully, He-Who-Speaks-With-God.
https://i.imgur.com/N0JO5Ud.jpg

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

*get whoever is going to be running against Biden. If not Trump, I guarantee the lawsuits and investigations will happen to whoever replaces him as well

Who is running this design? Seriously. What is the racket? Because you are claiming, the full force of our government is arbitrarily being brought against Trump, and if he were to go away this full force would simply be "conjured" against whoever takes his place as Biden's opponent.

Who or what is the conjurer, and what is their or its goal?

Amazingly simple question.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

if you have ears to hear. or without free will, ears that will hear for you...

orange man has been designed to evoke emotions. these emotions come "imbued with thoughts".

i sometimes image tech being the flower to the stem of humanity..but mostly not

Who or what is the designer?

[aussenseiter]

There is a sick part of me which would love to see how your mind calculates likelihoods, but then I realize, I know how it's done already. You begin with the preferred conclusion, then backplow the reasoning to get there.

Trumpers always say it is the people trying to hold him accountable who are "obsessed" but that's something I wish you could understand. I'm no more obsessed about him than I am any other predator. I like to see them held accountable, yes.

There are a lot of predators in the world. The secret to sanity is to be cool, calm, and collected about trying to bring justice.

Consider who is obsessed here very carefully, He-Who-Speaks-With-God.
https://i.imgur.com/N0JO5Ud.jpg

My belief that I am heir to the Hawthorne Crown doesn't make me heir to the Hawthorne Crown, my fancy wand does.

[Origen]

Who is running this design? Seriously. What is the racket? Because you are claiming, the full force of our government is arbitrarily being brought against Trump, and if he were to go away this full force would simply be "conjured" against whoever takes his place as Biden's opponent.

Who or what is the conjurer, and what is their or its goal?

Amazingly simple question.Orange Man Fans will tell you the "Deep State" is doing all these things to prevent conservatives from gaining yet more power in addition to the titanic amount they already have, but the "Deep State" they believe they oppose is just the other conservatives they have previously elected and the billionaires that back them.

[aussenseiter]

Orange Man Fans will tell you the "Deep State" is doing all these things to prevent conservatives from gaining yet more power in addition to the titanic amount they already have, but the "Deep State" they believe they oppose is just the other conservatives they have previously elected and the billionaires that back them.

Deep State isn't elected.

[Homesteaded]

You all believe anyone who mildly defends Trump is the 1% Trump fan who paints the side of his barn with FJB. You paint a picture of understanding those who defend Trump as blindly following. You really miss the point by doing this, it’s easy to deal with an opposing view if you can just throw them in a bucket of “deplorables”. Often, I have no idea how people can defend some of the beliefs held by people. It’s like we’re living in different worlds. Watching the same movie and coming to polar opposite conclusions. I don’t pretend to understand the lefts motive for pushing pro-trans agenda. For flip flopping on election meddling. For swallowing the cock of big pharma. For now being all-in on a quagmire conflict in Ukraine.

Career Politicians are corrupt. Trump was not a career politician. Trump isn’t a guy I would want to hang out with, but the system is broken and we used to all agree on that. Sometimes you need an outsider to disrupt a system with layers of rot.

As it stands now I would probably vote for RFK.

[Origen]

That's the stickiness of such a poor term for a shortsighted concept. Is Joe Brandon part of the "Deep State"? What about someone appointed by an elected official, like a judge?

It's silly. It's a poor understanding of power.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Lock her up!

JlXPtw9Bxvc

lol this was worth the watch. That gal is not gonna be rope a doped!

[Homesteaded]

That's the stickiness of such a poor term for a shortsighted concept. Is Joe Brandon part of the "Deep State"? What about someone appointed by an elected official, like a judge?

It's silly. It's a poor understanding of power.

You don’t think the Deep state exists?

[Ripp]

You all believe anyone who mildly defends Trump is the 1% Trump fan who paints the side of his barn with FJB. You paint a picture of understanding those who defend Trump as blindly following. You really miss the point by doing this, it’s easy to deal with an opposing view if you can just throw them in a bucket of “deplorables”. Often, I have no idea how people can defend some of the beliefs held by people. It’s like we’re living in different worlds. Watching the same movie and coming to polar opposite conclusions. I don’t pretend to understand the lefts motive for pushing pro-trans agenda. For flip flopping on election meddling. For swallowing the cock of big pharma. For now being all-in on a quagmire conflict in Ukraine.

Career Politicians are corrupt. Trump was not a career politician. Trump isn’t a guy I would want to hang out with, but the system is broken and we used to all agree on that. Sometimes you need an outsider to disrupt a system with layers of rot.

As it stands now I would probably vote for RFK.

But... muh CNN said orange man bad. Muh CNNs!

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.altcancer.com%2Fimages%2Fdees_ brainwash.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=5fc712ff31d9627048718fb3a4ac49cde5c280443318ec a2ed26f61c239842c4&ipo=images

[Origen]

You don’t think the Deep state exists?I do. I just refer to it as capital.

Nice to see them going after Orange Man instead of crushing the poor like they usually do.

[Ripp]

You don’t think the Deep state exists?

They "researched" it on Snopes and Wiki. :D

[aussenseiter]

lol this was worth the watch. That gal is not gonna be rope a doped!

https://i.imgur.com/AVZbh1D.png

[unsunghero]

You all believe anyone who mildly defends Trump is the 1% Trump fan who paints the side of his barn with FJB. You paint a picture of understanding those who defend Trump as blindly following. You really miss the point by doing this, it’s easy to deal with an opposing view if you can just throw them in a bucket of “deplorables”. Often, I have no idea how people can defend some of the beliefs held by people. It’s like we’re living in different worlds. Watching the same movie and coming to polar opposite conclusions. I don’t pretend to understand the lefts motive for pushing pro-trans agenda. For flip flopping on election meddling. For swallowing the cock of big pharma. For now being all-in on a quagmire conflict in Ukraine.

Career Politicians are corrupt. Trump was not a career politician. Trump isn’t a guy I would want to hang out with, but the system is broken and we used to all agree on that. Sometimes you need an outsider to disrupt a system with layers of rot.

As it stands now I would probably vote for RFK.

There’s clips on YouTube of strings of democrat media saying Trump is going to “weaponize” the DA and the Justice Department on his political enemies

It’s just the pot calling the kettle black. I have no deep love for Trump and it’s probably better for everyone if he doesn’t run, especially considering his age

But hypocrisy is is easy to spot and call out

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

...the system is broken and we used to all agree on that.


It isn't tho. Check 7th Fleet status. Operational? Rest easy citizen.
No we didn't. Some of us ID this kind of negativity as standard anti-democracy propaganda. Used to target the left, now targeting the right.


Never in the history of this nation have the people most convinced they are the true patriots been so down on this country they claim is the greatest.

Sad sack conservatives. And such victims too! Everyone trying to cancel them and make them feel guilty about history or not wanting to bake a cake!

Go listen to The Cure

[Homesteaded]

You can have a deep love for something you see struggling. Those two beliefs are not mutually exclusive.

Conservatives by nature love the thing they are fighting to conserve. Progressives by definition think the thing they want to progress is flawed or broken.

[aussenseiter]

not wanting to bake a cake!

https://www.printway.co.uk/image/resize/new-subway-logo-sandwich-artist-badge-2928.jpg

"Eat Fresh"

[Origen]

https://i.imgur.com/hD0txuI.png

[Lune]

https://i.imgur.com/hD0txuI.png

lol

[arvidez]

Who or what is the designer?

same types that designed lizzo.

you know how the hearts and minds are grabbed and you know that they are...

so what are you asking? i think you know what i think you are doing. its my favorite thing.

[unsunghero]

You can have a deep love for something you see struggling. Those two beliefs are not mutually exclusive.

Conservatives by nature love the thing they are fighting to conserve. Progressives by definition think the thing they want to progress is flawed or broken.

Trump to me though doesn’t embody conservatism as a person, other GOP politicians can have it as well

He’s very old, and already having lost to Biden once does not give me a lot of confidence if they ran it back

Which is why I personally won’t be too bummed if he can’t run. If I thought he had a great chance of winning I would

[Ooloo]

lol

That graph is much more an indictment of the psychos trying to throw him in prison for like a billion years than it is of him. All of the attempts so far have failed.

It's like when people call him "twice impeached" like yeah, and both attempts failed cause they had nothing and it was totally theatrical. Just like this.

TDS is a term for a reason, it indicates that somebody's rational faculties have evaporated because they don't like trump's irritating personality. It's how 7th graders gossip and attack eachother.

[aussenseiter]

That graph is much more an indictment of the psychos trying to throw him in prison for like a billion years than it is of him. All of the attempts so far have failed.

It's like when people call him "twice impeached" like yeah, and both attempts failed cause they had nothing and it was totally theatrical. Just like this.

TDS is a term for a reason, it indicates that somebody's rational faculties have evaporated because they don't like trump's irritating personality. It's how 7th graders gossip and attack eachother.

He was impeached twice though, that's a fact. Senate is a different word.

It might not be a very helpful fact.

[Origen]

https://www.theonion.com/christians-explain-why-jesus-was-too-liberal-1850736483/slides/2

[Ooloo]

He was impeached twice though, that's a fact. Senate is a different word.

It might not be a very helpful fact.

The impeachments aren't really that significant because he wasn't actually found guilty of anything. Bill Clinton got impeached too, and that was for pretty undeniable perjury wrt: lewinsky.

People just hate the guy's guts and they're acting like teenagers, it's retarded. It's also horrifying because they're not only adults but they're people who have been elected to lead us. It's basically mean girls level of stupid at the highest levels of power.

[aussenseiter]

https://www.theonion.com/christians-explain-why-jesus-was-too-liberal-1850736483/slides/2

https://www.theonion.com/christians-explain-why-jesus-was-too-liberal-1850736483/slides/9

[Origen]

Stop trying to make MAGA happen, Gretchen.

[unsunghero]

Does an atheist have to do their own version of a confession later after they reference The Bible as a gotcha towards Christians?

“Dear Science, forgive me, for I have sinned. I referenced a book I hate and already claimed it’s teachings don’t matter as if they do matter”

[Ripp]

The impeachments aren't really that significant because he wasn't actually found guilty of anything. Bill Clinton got impeached too, and that was for pretty undeniable perjury wrt: lewinsky.

People just hate the guy's guts and they're acting like teenagers, it's retarded. It's also horrifying because they're not only adults but they're people who have been elected to lead us. It's basically mean girls level of stupid at the highest levels of power.

These are the same sheeple who think it's a good idea to defund the police and let criminals run free. They're so brainwashed that they're beyond help.

https://www.activistpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/DEES-Dumbed-Down1.jpg

[Ripp]

Derp derp sheeple.

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP. 7ARWk6jbUZ3Iren_XmKgIgHaEI%26pid%3DApi&f=1&ipt=4d59508da0fbadd57d6daae1481e6512291724e7bbab21 33da8104e37691edc2&ipo=images

[Origen]

Hey is that kid's head smoking because that's a 5g phone?

[Ripp]

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgflip.com%2F4h4meb.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=94feb180656fd4b6eb02c197efa7f3dbb5b8884ffb0ddc ce81e26da43e4bfc46&ipo=images

[Landroval]

You all believe anyone who mildly defends Trump is the 1% Trump fan who paints the side of his barn with FJB. You paint a picture of understanding those who defend Trump as blindly following. You really miss the point by doing this, it’s easy to deal with an opposing view if you can just throw them in a bucket of “deplorables”. Often, I have no idea how people can defend some of the beliefs held by people. It’s like we’re living in different worlds. Watching the same movie and coming to polar opposite conclusions. I don’t pretend to understand the lefts motive for pushing pro-trans agenda. For flip flopping on election meddling. For swallowing the cock of big pharma. For now being all-in on a quagmire conflict in Ukraine.

Career Politicians are corrupt. Trump was not a career politician. Trump isn’t a guy I would want to hang out with, but the system is broken and we used to all agree on that. Sometimes you need an outsider to disrupt a system with layers of rot.

As it stands now I would probably vote for RFK.

The standard procedure for subverting a powerful nation that cannot be assailed because of the might of its solidarity, is to amass the dissidents and outsiders of that otherwise unassailable system and champion them to your cause by whatever persuasive rhetoric is necessary, so as to unravel their solidarity from the disenfranchised outliers within their ranks, while ideally securing that power for yourself.

[Landroval]

I do. I just refer to it as capital.

Nice to see them going after Orange Man instead of crushing the poor like they usually do.

Capital = non-jewish Capital, because the fact that the majority of the Capital is Jewish Capital is fine.

[Origen]

Anti-semites don't gatekeep those critical of capital.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Anti-semites don't gatekeep those critical of capital.

TIL

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

The standard procedure for subverting a powerful nation that cannot be assailed because of the might of its solidarity, is to amass the dissidents and outsiders of that otherwise unassailable system and champion them to your cause by whatever persuasive rhetoric is necessary, so as to unravel their solidarity from the disenfranchised outliers within their ranks, while ideally securing that power for yourself.

In the "18th Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte," a brief 1851 essay on the nature of revolution, Marx explained how what you call "disenfranchised outliers" -- for him, his term is "lumpen proletariat" -- were pitted against aspiring petit bourgeoisie -- what we would call the middle class -- in order to stage a restoration of the French monarchy that was otherwise completely laughable.

The essay was intended to prove how class conflict can be used to put a fool -- "a grotesque and average personality" to use Marx's words -- in power.

Class conflict is multi-valent. Both the "outliers" and the petite bourgeoisie got taken for a shitty ride.

Starting to click yet?

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

And yes, that is stuff in my head. I had to look up the date.

Deal.

[aussenseiter]

TIL

What is to be done? (https://www.philosophersmag.com/opinion/30-karl-marx-s-radical-antisemitism)

-Michael Scott - Vladimir Lenin - Karl Marx

[unsunghero]

Using prosthetics to look more like character you are portraying is now called “Jew face”?

I swear Libs project their own racism and antisemitism on others. Remember when shitlibs claimed orcs in LOTR represented black people? Overcompensate much?

[unsunghero]

Really, of all the mythical creatures you pick Minotaur? Not dragon or Pegasus or something that can fly?

If my kid told me he was now a Minotaur I’d feel duty bound to abandon him in a hedge maze somewhere. “Sorry Tommy, you have to guard this place forever now”

[Landroval]

Anti-semites don't gatekeep those critical of capital.

That's because semites gatekeep the capital from criticism

[Ooloo]

Jimmy dore killing again, live! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LIxOZH5pn0

And by killing I mean simply playing clips of dems saying things that have been memory holed, thus demonstrating the absurdity of the present moment

[Botten]

Jimmy dore killing again, live! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LIxOZH5pn0

And by killing I mean simply playing clips of dems saying things that have been memory holed, thus demonstrating the absurdity of the present moment

And guess who makes a fool of himself. It isn't too often your video is such garbage that you know it is going to be taken down... forcing you to flag it as private.

How does this continue to happen to you?

Oh that's right you aren't on the side of just cause you are on the side of hate.

[Botten]

Really, of all the mythical creatures you pick Minotaur? Not dragon or Pegasus or something that can fly?

If my kid told me he was now a Minotaur I’d feel duty bound to abandon him in a hedge maze somewhere. “Sorry Tommy, you have to guard this place forever now”

https://twitter.com/HallerMichael/status/1555830974046474241


Michael Haller, M.D.
@HallerMichael
Chloe, I gave you the benefit of the doubt / repeatedly offered to have conversations to better learn about your experiences / perspective. You’ve your real purpose abundantly clear when you tag press secs who spread hate and lies rather than engaging with doctors
4:19 AM · Aug 6, 2022

Chloe also goes after John Oliver and others.
She has her mission not to end her gender dysphoria but to sensationalize it.

GCvegqs7bfg


Get the eBook today - Conned by Chloe Cole (https://www.scribd.com/book/182537126/Conned) meme

[Lune]

That's because semites gatekeep the capital from criticism

Semites: "Guys-- guys, guys.... guys listen-- it's a... Guys

it's an entire economy based... on money-lending."

Conned by Chloe Cole

I don't know who that is and I don't think I want to... she has the same troll-doll face as MTG

[Origen]

Jimmy dore killing again, live! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LIxOZH5pn0

And by killing I mean simply playing clips of dems saying things that have been memory holed, thus demonstrating the absurdity of the present momentPretty boring video of a millionaire showing clips of other millionaires being full of shit.

[unsunghero]

https://twitter.com/HallerMichael/status/1555830974046474241



Chloe also goes after John Oliver and others.
She has her mission not to end her gender dysphoria but to sensationalize it.


Get the eBook today - Conned by Chloe Cole (https://www.scribd.com/book/182537126/Conned) meme

I watched her video, she has some points that seem solid:

“The risk of being wrong about being a homosexual is far less than the risk of cutting off a healthy body part”

- This is undeniably true

“Being against gender transitioning kids is a bi-partisan issue”

- At first I was like Ehhhh bi-partisan? But then apparently some democrat “terfs” like JK Rowling are against it so I guess this could also be seen as somewhat correct. We’ll say somewhat because there is definitely more people on the right against it than on the left

“drag shows are sexual”

- Not necessarily, I wouldn’t consider something like drag queen story hour sexual. Unless the book they are reading is naughty. But burlesque dancing, yea that’s kinda sexual

“puberty blockers are NOT reversible”

- I don’t know enough on them to comment. I think that based on how wide a range of body responses to something like TRT can happen based on the individual’s physiology, then it’s possible they might not be reversible for some people. But again I dunno

[unsunghero]

Who is running this design? Seriously. What is the racket? Because you are claiming, the full force of our government is arbitrarily being brought against Trump, and if he were to go away this full force would simply be "conjured" against whoever takes his place as Biden's opponent.

Who or what is the conjurer, and what is their or its goal?

Amazingly simple question.

Oh sorry I missed this. No, I don’t think it is ever completely the “full force of our government” because due to checks and balances doing their work (somewhat), I don’t think all departments of our government are the same political party

But if certain areas were partisan, they could make trouble for their political opposition. Now would they? Yea, I think both parties would. How much or how often is the debatable part IMO

[PRogers]

No see you don’t get it. The rule of law says you need to prove that the defendant knew the election was lost and was trying to steal/overturn an election he knew he lost. That is not the same as someone who thinks the election was stolen.

Ask yourself this, what action is too far if a US election was stolen?

It wasnt though.

They know it was not stolen. All of em did.

Why is it so hard to believe that a politician lied?

[Origen]

He probably doesn't realize it but he's justifying authoritarian moves in the future.

David Frum saw it coming, as much as I might dislike some stuff about the guy, he was right on the money: "If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy. The main benefit of controlling a modern bureaucratic state is not the power to persecute the innocent. It is the power to protect the guilty."

[aussenseiter]

He probably doesn't realize it but he's justifying authoritarian moves in the future.

David Frum saw it coming, as much as I might dislike some stuff about the guy, he was right on the money: "If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy. The main benefit of controlling a modern bureaucratic state is not the power to persecute the innocent. It is the power to protect the guilty."

Is the definition of 'the guilty' static? :eek:

[Botten]

He probably doesn't realize it but he's justifying authoritarian moves in the future.

David Frum saw it coming, as much as I might dislike some stuff about the guy, he was right on the money: "If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy. The main benefit of controlling a modern bureaucratic state is not the power to persecute the innocent. It is the power to protect the guilty."

Even Trump's lawyer expressed concern.

Cohen: fears no 'peaceful transition' if Trump loses in 2020 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-2020-idUSKCN1QG2ZR)

[Origen]

Is the definition of 'the guilty' static? :eek:Ask Frum

[arvidez]

accuse the otherside of doing what you are doing.

this happens not intentionally, but because you are the same.

[aussenseiter]

Ask Frum

I'm boosted against that disease. (https://twitter.com/search?q=David%20Frum%20(from%3Avaradmehta)&src=typed_query)

[Origen]

Not helpful and pretty cynical, arvidez, but thanks for chiming in

[Origen]

I'm boosted against that disease. (https://twitter.com/search?q=David%20Frum%20(from%3Avaradmehta)&src=typed_query)I don't have a x account so I can't view this, uh, x

[Duik]

There is a reason they are the "x".

[Elizondo]

"Inflation Reduction Act"

lawl ....

[Botten]

EZ mad because Republicans are struggling to make up issues they have with Biden compared to the train wreck that was last administration.

Inflation going down.
22721

And good morning…Brought to you by the cult that supports MAGA.

Woman charged with threatening to kill judge overseeing Donald Trump's election case (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/08/17/trump-supporter-threatened-kill-judge-tanya-chutkan-texas/)

I know out of all the news sites including those you post yourself, you are just going to call this one fakenews too, because everything is fakenews to EZ when he can’t admit facts. :rolleyes:

[Duik]

"Inflation Reduction Act"

lawl ....

Pre-teen reactionary post.
3/10.

Bad blue man does it. Must be bad.

Maga king does it better. No, the best.
So nerr nerr nee nerr nerr.

Also, it's just an act.

[aussenseiter]

EZ mad because Republicans are struggling to make up issues they have with Biden compared to the train wreck that was last administration.

Inflation going down.
https://www.project1999.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22721&d=1692281611



I am sure am glad the rate of price increases is slowing!! 😎🍦

[Origen]

"Law and order" supporters: [url]https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/17/politics/fulton-county-grand-jurors-far-right-internet/index.html (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/08/17/trump-supporter-threatened-kill-judge-tanya-chutkan-texas/)

Hell, I hope it's fake news as some might claim

[Botten]

There is a reason they are the "x".

Musk had a failed idea to have a credit card like company called X. It never really took off. He is again trying to apply it. Now he is crossing off his chances of ever getting a profit out of his X blue bird forum.

The underdog post was just a comment on a comment David Frum made. Attaching the only relevant part.

22722

Underdog (evil Reiwa) be taking too many red super pills.

[Botten]

I am sure am glad the rate of price increases is slowing!! 😎🍦

Defining inflation right

[aussenseiter]

Musk had a failed idea to have a credit card like company called X. It never really took off. He is again trying to apply it. Now he is crossing off his chances of ever getting a profit out of his X blue bird forum.

The underdog post was just a comment on a comment David Frum made. Attaching the only relevant part.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22722&thumb=1&d=1692282907

Underdog (evil Reiwa) be taking too many red super pills.

I wouldn't have linked it at all if Frum had not been introduced as the "reasonable Conservative" de jour.

[Homesteaded]

Walls closing in, final domino…yadda yadda yadda

[Origen]

Our new DoR referred to Elon Musk as a "genius" the other day in a meeting and I had to suppress the urge to roll my eyes.

[Homesteaded]

Our new DoR referred to Elon Musk as a "genius" the other day in a meeting and I had to suppress the urge to roll my eyes.

He is a genius, it’s your issue that you can’t accept it.

[Origen]

He is a genius, it’s your issue that you can’t accept it.You're not qualified to make this assessment.

[arvidez]

Not helpful and pretty cynical, arvidez, but thanks for chiming in

Button sensationalizing a story about chloe. he accuses her of sensationalizing her own story.

maybe cynical

not helpful to people who enjoy feeling right.

[Homesteaded]

You're not qualified to make this assessment.

The musk haters tend to be some of saddest sacks of bitterness. He’s the champion of multi planetary human existence, electric cars, renewable energy. All universally good things. Yet you hate him because…

[Origen]

Avarice isn't intelligence. The alt-right always fails to understand this.

If he was intelligent, none of us would have ever heard of him. For a person supposedly critical of media, you're awfully vulnerable to billionare propaganda.

[Botten]

Button sensationalizing a story about chloe. he accuses her of sensationalizing her own story.

maybe cynical

not helpful to people who enjoy feeling right.

I simply passed on a doctor’s mention looking out for her but her knee jerk reaction was to include press.

Michael Haller, M.D.
@HallerMichael
Chloe, I gave you the benefit of the doubt / repeatedly offered to have conversations to better learn about your experiences / perspective. You’ve your real purpose abundantly clear when you tag press secs who spread hate and lies rather than engaging with doctors
4:19 AM· Aug 6, 2022

-It is interesting how Chloe Cole said:“I condemn any/all violence,” But in her next sentence she echoed what LIbsofTikTok, The Proud Boys, Gov. Ron DeSantis state.

-Chloe Cole frequently tweets at and is retweeted by staffers in Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’ office.

-She tags Democratic opponents of their Republican boss and denounces Medicaid coverage for gender-affirming care, which the DeSantis administration has banned. Which is interesting, since her Kaiser medical coverage reportedly paid for her own medical transition, including her surgery.

[Lune]

The musk haters tend to be some of saddest sacks of bitterness. He’s the champion of multi planetary human existence, electric cars, renewable energy. All universally good things. Yet you hate him because…

No he isn't. His employees are. He was a good entrepreneur though. Or at least one of the small subset of pathological risk-takers who made it far enough to mostly be insulated from being completely destroyed by his own decisions.

[Landroval]

No he isn't. His employees are. He was a good entrepreneur though.

Not a fan of Elon, but his degrees were in physics and mathematics, two of the hardest majors, and he was heavily involved in both the design and management of his engineering teams at both SpaceX and Tesla. He also knows several programming languages even though coding isn't his job.

[Homesteaded]

No he isn't. His employees are. He was a good entrepreneur though. Or at least one of the small subset of pathological risk-takers who made it far enough to mostly be insulated from being completely destroyed by his own decisions.

Pure delusion and cope.

It’s okay to give credit to others, this world isn’t a zero sum game.

He’s a genius, you’re inability to see this highlights your world view of spite and envy.

[Ooloo]

No he isn't. His employees are. He was a good entrepreneur though. Or at least one of the small subset of pathological risk-takers who made it far enough to mostly be insulated from being completely destroyed by his own decisions.

If his employees posses better knowledge of how to actually do the things he does, they'd be him. Yes elon doesn't personally build every single rocket engine he ends up using, because that would be completely impossible. He understands the principles that make the entire enterprise function, and he has about a billion times more specific technical knowledge about his own products than most ceo's will ever have about theirs.

Also nobody had any problem with elon and would frequently venerate him until he said like one slightly off-script thing about some dumb leftist sacred cow, because the left is nothing if not myopically tribal.

[Lune]

Not a fan of Elon, but his degrees were in physics and mathematics, two of the hardest majors, and he was heavily involved in both the design and management of his engineering teams at both SpaceX and Tesla. He also knows several programming languages even though coding isn't his job.

Undergrad degrees in physics and mathematics are not something special. They are undergrad. His involvement in the production side was primarily with personnel and process improvement; the design part was "make it look like this", "make it open like this".

I'm not disputing that he is very bright, I'm sure he is. But he is not "the champion of multi planetary human existence, electric cars, renewable energy." lol. Somehow he's the champion of multi planetary human existence when we're no closer to a human going to Mars. Talking about something doesn't make you the champion of it.

Comical that evangelicals seem to be Musk-bros now. I guess something about being a loud-mouthed serial philanderer is appealing to the Christian crowd. In spite of the guy being an atheist and "99% sure we live in a simulation".

[Lune]

Look at this Champion of Multi Planetary Human Existence living a monumentally cringe-worthy life with a gold-digger to despises him. The whole thing is gold but the bit at 1:12 is maximum cringe. Not even the champion of his own relationships. When is living an ethical life going to matter to Christians?

B2wRvhbJIQQ

[aussenseiter]

Look at this Champion of Multi Planetary Human Existence living a monumentally cringe-worthy life with a gold-digger to despises him. The whole thing is gold but the bit at 1:12 is maximum cringe. Not even the champion of his own relationships. When is living an ethical life going to matter to Christians?

B2wRvhbJIQQ

She still riding for him.

During Elon Musk's acquisition of Twitter in October 2022, text exchanges between Musk and Riley were released where she pleaded with him to buy Twitter, asking "Please do something to fight woke-ism. I will do anything to help! xx".

[Lune]

She still riding for him.

Yes, truly, it is him she's riding for

[Lune]

If his employees posses better knowledge of how to actually do the things he does, they'd be him. Yes elon doesn't personally build every single rocket engine he ends up using, because that would be completely impossible. He understands the principles that make the entire enterprise function, and he has about a billion times more specific technical knowledge about his own products than most ceo's will ever have about theirs.

Also nobody had any problem with elon and would frequently venerate him until he said like one slightly off-script thing about some dumb leftist sacred cow, because the left is nothing if not myopically tribal.

The skillset behind analyzing the market and finding then leveraging talent to exploit it is entirely different than science and engineering at the level his employees are operating at. Again, he's a very bright guy but at the end of the day just a capitalist and a piece of shit (excuse my redundancy), just like Bill Gates.

[aussenseiter]

Yes, truly, it is him she's riding for

You're just jealous your 2x-ex-wife never told YOU to buy twitter.

[Homesteaded]

We’re no closer to Mars? SpaceX has reduced the cost to get things into space by something like 75%. His electric cars are the only decent option out there.

What does morality have to do with being a genius? No one claimed he was a beacon of morality. He’s a genius.

I suspect you’re the type who finds it very hard to define a good quality in someone you personally dislike.

Dumping on a guy with “only two Bachelor degrees” for being involved in or founding some of the most successful tech companies out there. It’s laughable.

[Lune]

Pro-tip: If your response to grounding of billionaire-worship is "you're just jealous of x", you might just be a fanboy.

We’re no closer to Mars? SpaceX has reduced the cost to get things into space by something like 75%. His electric cars are the only decent option out there.

What does morality have to do with being a genius? No one claimed he was a beacon of morality. He’s a genius.

I suspect you’re the type who finds it very hard to define a good quality in someone you personally dislike.

Dumping on a guy with “only two Bachelor degrees” for being involved in or founding some of the most successful tech companies out there. It’s laughable.

1. They are not the only decent electric cars out there, in fact they are now among the worst. Other major auto retailers have caught up.

2. I've said good things about Elon Musk.

3. You know, right, that it's pointless for humans to try to live on Mars? There is no way for it to be permanently and independently inhabited due to the obscene radiation levels. You would have to live underground, and at that point, why be on Mars? Just be on the moon. There are many other better candidates in the solar system for habitation. Somehow your 'genius' didn't catch that one, or maybe he finally did, because he never fuckin talks about it anymore. More than likely he was just talking up SpaceX back when Mars was really big in the early 00's

[Homesteaded]

Pro-tip: If your response to grounding of billionaire-worship is "you're just jealous of x", you might just be a fanboy.

You notice how you label him as a billionaire? As if that has some merit in a persons ability. I’m judging him based on things he’s produced and accomplished.

Your crowd loves to lionize poor people and demonize success. You don’t believe in anyone accomplishing more than you due to effort or merit. You also don’t blame the dredges of society for the choices they have made. We’re all a product of our surroundings and youth.

Free-will is real and we all have choices that define us over time.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Using prosthetics to look more like character you are portraying is now called “Jew face”?

I swear Libs project their own racism and antisemitism on others. Remember when shitlibs claimed orcs in LOTR represented black people? Overcompensate much?

This is as good a point as any to point out what Fox does. This "controversy" is coming from insider characters because it is a supper-easy attack on the much-anticipated Lenny biopic.

Bernstein was a god. I do not care if you don't have a taste for classical music. Listen to his "West Side Story" suites. He wrote the tunes, the big musical themes, and West Side Story is essentially Lenny's gift to the 20th century: an opera, but written to be turned into Broadway and a movie. (yes, thanks to Sondheim for lyrics and likely melodic input -- he's a genius too!)

So Jets vs Sharks fight song. It's very modernist, all angular, but it flows and its a choreography of a knife fight!! (Mr. Robbins takes the wreath for that of course).

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This is going to get too long. Classical music is one of my other hobbies. Bernstein, before my time ahem, is probably the greatest American conductor of the 20th century, if you take total energy, contribution, and "vitality" into account. He **almost** attained his goal: which was to just merge classical and pop, via the musical opera.

The jew nose thing is appalling the studios, pretty much every Jewish actor and director, and the entire biopic team.

Wait! The real story is, but you will not hear this on Fox, nor any other "libs are so dumb" themed "news" outlet, that whoever did this just insulted Bernstein, the people who have been toiling on this project, and many, many people who adore Lenny's classic nose.

I'm sorry that was a lot to read but geniuses (Bernstein, Sondheim, and Robbins in this case) are to be respected. You see my point I hope. In reality, the "libs" in question here, are insulted some group of people sank to this level of weak tea BS.

[Lune]

You notice how you label him as a billionaire? As if that has some merit in a persons ability. I’m judging him based on things he’s produced and accomplished.

Your crowd loves to lionize poor people and demonize success. You don’t believe in anyone accomplishing more than you due to effort or merit. You also don’t blame the dredges of society for the choices they have made. We’re all a product of our surroundings and youth.

Free-will is real and we all have choices that define us over time.

Don't attribute qualities to me based on a 'crowd' you think I belong to. I absolutely believe in economic determinism. I just have far, far more respect for the actual scientists and engineers than the capitalist who brought them together, and has half the talent as well as began life with a fortune. That's a coincidence, isn't it?

Your argument is literally "you don't like him because u jelly" when I've been calling the guy a huckster since I knew about him, back when liberals were the gullible fanboys. I also think simply being a billionaire is unethical, so you're not going to find a billionaire I like. You shouldn't laud someone for being a genius when they are also a huge piece of shit. Ethics matter. Even his own father thinks he's a piece of shit. Any woman he's ever been with thinks he's a piece of shit. He might just be a piece of shit who is really good at capitalism.

Also lol at this:

Your crowd loves to lionize poor people

looks at crosses in avatar

[Homesteaded]

I judge people on actions, not net worth.

It does not balance how you claim to believe in economic determinism and shit on Musk.

You seem to have a VERY narrow definition of what a genius can be. You can be a genius who uses that gift for good, or for evil. The genius tag doesn't equate to an expected moral outcome.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Have some damn culture. This is a classic outtake of a practice session. Leonard Bernstein arguing with Christa Ludwig. During this period, she was not some lightweight singer. She was like the Kesha of her day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f32bhICi-zI
f32bhICi-zI

Best way to understand a form of music is to observe how it's made.

The bonus of classical music is, if your goal is to salvage what's left of your hearing after a couple decades of clubs, bars, concerts, and just the nature of the loud music itself, classical is conversation-level music, most of it, and really prevents future hearing damage. I seldom listen to the "huge" symphonic stuff that indeed gets very loud (especially if you sit in the first 10 rows! Not kidding!)

But that's my issue. My hearing is still fine. Tinnitus but not as bad as some of my peers. But I really, really want to be able to go hear some Beethoven when I'm 70. Life goals lol.

[Origen]

Carrying water for a billionaire who would personally throw you and your grandma in a woodchipper for an extra fifty bucks is a sign of a servile, conditioned mind.

No wonder all you alt-right fellas bow at the feet of the rich. No backbones. No ideas. Just "great man" worship.

[Lune]

I judge people on actions, not net worth.

It does not balance how you claim to believe in economic determinism and shit on Musk.

You seem to have a VERY narrow definition of what a genius can be. You can be a genius who uses that gift for good, or for evil. The genius tag doesn't equate to an expected moral outcome.

Having a net worth that high is an act of evil. It:

1. Is pathological hoarding of wealth

2. Is only ever concentrated that highly through the aggregate suffering of millions

3. Provides too much power for one person in a system where you can so easily buy votes and subvert the democratic process

I'm getting so tired of narcissistic, ambitious psychopaths rampaging around the world fucking everyone and everything up. Most people all over the world just want to live their fucking lives without having their impressionable friends and neighbors radicalized by angry lies that drive engagement, or having our government lobbied to depress the value of our labor, among other things.

Some form of billionaire tax or corporate reform would go such a long way toward minimizing the damage these people can do. Give em a plaque or something that says, 'Congratulations, you won capitalism!', then tax anything over $1 billion. Makes absolutely zero difference for their lives, except for depriving them of power nobody should ever have, to spend endlessly in order to fuck over other people.

"If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.

[aussenseiter]

Having a net worth that high is an act of evil. It:

1. Is pathological hoarding of wealth

2. Is only ever concentrated that highly through the aggregate suffering of millions

3. Provides too much power for one person in a system where you can so easily buy votes and subvert the democratic process

I'm getting so tired of narcissistic, ambitious psychopaths rampaging around the world fucking everyone and everything up. Most people all over the world just want to live their fucking lives without having their impressionable friends and neighbors radicalized by angry lies that drive engagement, or having our government lobbied to depress the value of our labor, among other things.

Some form of billionaire tax or corporate reform would go such a long way toward minimizing the damage these people can do. Give em a plaque or something that says, 'Congratulations, you won capitalism!', then tax anything over $1 billion. Makes absolutely zero difference for their lives, except for depriving them of power nobody should ever have, to spend endlessly in order to fuck over other people.

Wealth taxes are stealing. Bad things happen to nations when their governments start stealing.

[aussenseiter]

Carrying water for a billionaire who would personally throw you and your grandma in a woodchipper for an extra fifty bucks is a sign of a servile, conditioned mind.

No wonder all you alt-right fellas bow at the feet of the rich. No backbones. No ideas. Just "great man" worship.

Why did Thatcher have to heal the sick man?

[Lune]

Wealth taxes are stealing. Bad things happen to nations when their governments start stealing.

Taxation is never theft, it's part of the social contract. Wealth is confiscated all the time, for many different reasons. And I didn't specify taxing wealth over $1 billion, tax any further income after $1 billion in wealth or net worth at something like 50-90%.

Unfortunately you have to have some baseline understanding of economics and history to know why this is necessary. Wealth tends to aggregate, as wealth begets more wealth. Your opportunities for enterprise become orders of magnitude more lucrative the more capital you have available. That's kind of the whole point of the system.

Pro-tip: taxes similar to this existed for much of the 20th century, and society not only didn't implode, but was far healthier.

[Origen]

The vast majority of theft is wage theft of all types, but, noo, that's corporate and not government, as if there's really a difference anymore

[aussenseiter]

Taxation is never theft, it's part of the social contract. Wealth is confiscated all the time, for many different reasons. And I didn't specify taxing wealth over $1 billion, tax any further income after $1 billion in wealth or net worth at something like 50-90%.

Unfortunately you have to have some baseline understanding of economics and history to know why this is necessary. Wealth tends to aggregate, as wealth begets more wealth. Your opportunities for enterprise become orders of magnitude more lucrative the more capital you have available. That's kind of the whole point of the system.

Pro-tip: taxes similar to this existed for much of the 20th century, and society not only didn't implode, but was far healthier.

You're switching topics mid sentence. Either talk about an income tax or talk about a wealth tax, not say you're talking about one while making argument for the other.

Income taxes are fine but can be misguided and counterproductive in rate.

[Lune]

You're switching topics mid sentence. Either talk about an income tax or talk about a wealth tax, not say you're talking about one while making argument for the other.

Income taxes are fine but can be misguided and counterproductive in rate.

I'm not switching topics I'm talking about both. Tax income after a breakpoint of wealth

[aussenseiter]

The vast majority of theft is wage theft of all types, but, noo, that's corporate and not government, as if there's really a difference anymore

I hear Florida has made some progress in that divorce.

[aussenseiter]

I'm not switching topics I'm talking about both. Tax income after a breakpoint of wealth

Okay. I have $1bn in the bank and you're taxing all of my income at 90%. Violates equal protection but whatever.

Does it make sense for me to make any risk investments with my wealth?

[Lune]

Okay. I have $1bn in the bank and you're taxing all of my income at 90%

Does it make sense for me to make any risk investments with my wealth?

If you want to keep your billion dollars without having it destroyed by inflation or otherwise spending it, it does.

Also it's hilarious that you think (actually competent) billionaires are making risk investments that aren't hedged 10:1 by safe ones.

Okay. I have $1bn in the bank and you're taxing all of my income at 90%. Violates equal protection but whatever.

Does it make sense for me to make any risk investments with my wealth?

Progressive taxation doesn't violate equal protection because wealth/income isn't a protected class. The notion that wealth/income be a protected class is absolutely comical. Imagine if you had to provide the same protection to the poor as the rich. Socialism by SCOTUS.

[aussenseiter]

If you want to keep your billion dollars without having it destroyed by inflation or otherwise spending it, it does.

Also it's hilarious that you think (actually competent) billionaires are making risk investments that aren't hedged 10:1 by safe ones.

What rate would you tax the safe ones at?

[PRogers]

The musk haters tend to be some of saddest sacks of bitterness. He’s the champion of multi planetary human existence, electric cars, renewable energy. All universally good things. Yet you hate him because…

Just say it.

Say "I cannot be fooled, lied to, or made to believe anything that isnt factually accurate. I have never been wrong, every single person I listen to is right 100% of the time. Forever."

You might as well just say that humans NEVER lie. Cause thats how you look.


You got played. Its ok to admit you got played by the worlds most successful conman. The guy is good. Like losing to a professional basketball star, you didnt stand a chance. Its almost not even your fault, then. Now though, you really dont have any excuse.

[PRogers]

Carrying water for a billionaire who would personally throw you and your grandma in a woodchipper for an extra fifty bucks is a sign of a servile, conditioned mind.

No wonder all you alt-right fellas bow at the feet of the rich. No backbones. No ideas. Just "great man" worship.

Its engrained in them from childhood. There is a reason churches really really harp on authority. The highest authority! You are not to question authority!

With that being pounded in their brains for the first few years of their lives or maybe their entire lives.. Its almost a disability. They are not allowed to question authority. Its as good as god speaking to them.

[aussenseiter]

Progressive taxation doesn't violate equal protection because wealth/income isn't a protected class. The notion that wealth/income be a protected class is absolutely comical. Imagine if you had to provide the same protection to the poor as the rich. Socialism by SCOTUS.

$1bn in the bank, I decide to go work at Burger King or something stupid just to spite you. You are taxing my income at a different rate than anyone else in my income tax bracket.

Ba-da boom.

[Lune]

$1bn in the bank, I decide to go work at Burger King or something stupid just to spite you. You are taxing my income at a different rate than anyone else in my income tax bracket.

Ba-da boom.

So taxing people with children less than people without children violates the equal protection clause? What about people who gave to charity?

I know you're desperate for flat tax but that's not how equal protection works. It has to be a protected class and income isn't (if anything, only poverty is occasionally protected, see below). Otherwise you could sue for anything that manifested as differential treatment.

United States Library of Congress, The Constitution of the United States of America: Analysis and Interpretation
Wealth is not always considered a suspect classification requiring Fourteenth Amendment protection.​1 However, there is no doubt that when the classification affects some area characterized as or considered to be fundamental in nature in the structure of our polity—the ability of criminal defendants to obtain fair treatment throughout the system, the right to vote, to name two examples—then the classifying body bears a substantial burden in justifying what it has done.

The cases begin with Griffin v. Illinois,2 one of the most seminal cases in modern constitutional law. There, the state conditioned full direct appellate review—review to which all convicted defendants were entitled—on the furnishing of a bill of exceptions or report of the trial proceedings, which usually required a stenographic transcript of the trial. Only indigent defendants sentenced to death were furnished free transcripts; all other convicted defendants had to pay a fee to obtain them.

"In criminal trials," Justice Black wrote in the plurality opinion, "a State can no more discriminate on account of poverty than on account of religion, race, or color." Although the state was not obligated to provide an appeal at all when it does so it may not structure its system "in a way that discriminates against some convicted defendants on account of their poverty." The system's fault was that it treated defendants with money differently from defendants without money. "There can be no equal justice where the kind of trial a man gets depends on the amount of money he has."3

The principle of Griffin was extended in Douglas v. California,4 in which the court held to be a denial of due process and equal protection a system whereby in the first appeal as of right from a conviction counsel was appointed to represent indigents only if the appellate court first examined the record and determined that counsel would be of advantage to the appellant:

"There is lacking that equality demanded by the Fourteenth Amendment where the rich man, who appeals as of right, enjoys the benefit of counsel's examination into the record, research of the law, and marshaling of arguments on his behalf, while the indigent, already burdened by a preliminary determination that his case is without merit, is forced to shift for himself."5

[aussenseiter]

So taxing people with children less than people without children violates the equal protection clause? What about people who gave to charity?

I know you're desperate for flat tax but that's not how equal protection works. It has to be a protected class and income isn't (if anything, only poverty is occasionally protected, see below). Otherwise you could sue for anything that manifested as differential treatment.

Don't recall saying any of that, why are trying to put words in my mouth?

Like, hello? Brother, you've got a dick you know?

[Origen]

Its engrained in them from childhood. There is a reason churches really really harp on authority. The highest authority! You are not to question authority!

With that being pounded in their brains for the first few years of their lives or maybe their entire lives.. Its almost a disability. They are not allowed to question authority. Its as good as god speaking to them.I was raised in the church. I believe in something resembling God, but the idea of using one's faith to spread right-wing reactionary hate and misanthropy is just repulsive.

Even idiot reactionaries question authority, though. All of those "obey your rulers" quotes they bandied about when Trump was in charge are quickly forgotten when Biden is in charge. But that's just human nature.

[Lune]

Don't recall saying any of that, why are trying to put words in my mouth?

Like, hello? Brother, you've got a dick you know?

If taxing the burger king billionaire more than others in his tax bracket violated equal protection, my examples would too... and truly anything would violate it. Equal protection applies only to protected classes as specified in the 14th amendment. Property is listed in the 14th amendment but tax is not interpreted as confiscation of property because taxation is specifically enumerated elsewhere in the constitution without amendment.

[aussenseiter]

If taxing the burger king billionaire more than others in his tax bracket violated equal protection, my examples would too... and truly anything would violate it. Equal protection applies only to protected classes as specified in the 14th amendment. Property is listed in the 14th amendment but tax is not interpreted as confiscation of property because taxation is specifically enumerated elsewhere in the constitution without amendment.

The fact that you think there's any goddamn thing about protected classes in there is a huge tell.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

[aussenseiter]

Go ahead and get rid of it so you can do your stupid wealth tax though.

The outer demons will like that very much.

[Origen]

Do you stand to inherit millions, or are you already worth millions?

[aussenseiter]

Do you stand to inherit millions, or are you already worth millions?

I am in line for the Hawthorn Crown.

[Origen]

I'm not googling your goose-chase answers to things anymore, slippery one. Be direct or ignore me.

[Ripp]

Businesses Are Fleeing California Along With Its Residents, And President Biden Should Pay Attention (https://www.forbes.com/sites/adammillsap/2021/08/27/businesses-are-fleeing-california-along-with-its-residents-and-president-biden-should-pay-attention/?sh=3ca627512327)

The authors provide a variety of reasons for why companies move their headquarters out of California.

First, California has some of the highest taxes in the country. The Tax Foundation ranks California 49th on its state business tax climate rankings. Only New Jersey has a worse tax climate.


Yeah, keep raising taxes, seems to be working out great for Liberal states. :D

https://media.giphy.com/media/lszAB3TzFtRaU/giphy.gif

[Lune]

Businesses Are Fleeing California Along With Its Residents, And President Biden Should Pay Attention (https://www.forbes.com/sites/adammillsap/2021/08/27/businesses-are-fleeing-california-along-with-its-residents-and-president-biden-should-pay-attention/?sh=3ca627512327)

The authors provide a variety of reasons for why companies move their headquarters out of California.

First, California has some of the highest taxes in the country. The Tax Foundation ranks California 49th on its state business tax climate rankings. Only New Jersey has a worse tax climate.


Yeah, keep raising taxes, seems to be working out great for Liberal states. :D

A clickbaity, politics-baiting article from Forbes? You don't say! They've been "fleeing" California for 15 years, and we just keep making more :)

Bye Tesla, hello OpenAI. The rest of the country is where businesses go to die.

https://i.imgur.com/UQNmMRU.jpg

It's almost like California is an economic powerhouse where everyone goes to make new and revolutionary shit, and when you lose your access to that energy, the intellectual capital of your company suffers.

[Ripp]

Americans Moved to Low-Tax States in 2022 (https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/state/state-population-change-2022/)

This population shift paints a clear picture: people left high-tax, high-cost states for lower-tax, lower-cost alternatives.


Oops. I guess they'll have to keep raising taxes to make up for the shortfall. But of course then more people will move. But just raise taxes again. I'm sure that'll work out just fine.

Idiots hahaha.

[Landroval]

"Here's what we're going to do with your money...."
"Ok, ok, I concede, you won! So, here's how it's gonna go down...."
t. Retard

[aussenseiter]

Americans Moved to Low-Tax States in 2022 (https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/state/state-population-change-2022/)

This population shift paints a clear picture: people left high-tax, high-cost states for lower-tax, lower-cost alternatives.


Oops. I guess they'll have to keep raising taxes to make up for the shortfall. But of course then more people will move. But just raise taxes again. I'm sure that'll work out just fine.

Idiots hahaha.

3rd part is wrong, they want very badly to bring back the tax break Republicans got rid of in TCJA.

[Lune]

Americans Moved to Low-Tax States in 2022 (https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/state/state-population-change-2022/)

This population shift paints a clear picture: people left high-tax, high-cost states for lower-tax, lower-cost alternatives.


Oops. I guess they'll have to keep raising taxes to make up for the shortfall. But of course then more people will move. But just raise taxes again. I'm sure that'll work out just fine.

Idiots hahaha.

People who can't hack it in expensive, competitive places where go-getters congregate have to move to cheap shitholes? You don't say.

That said, California has a cost of living crisis, driven by NIMBYism, high taxes, and waste (it's more NIMBYism and red tape than taxes, but acknowledging this would require nuanced and non-tribal thinking on your part). But you're so desperate to view California as a shithole and taxes as bad that you come to the wrong conclusion. People aren't moving to these places because they are better, they are moving there because California isn't offering them enough, them specifically.

When the pole of economic dynamism shifts outside California, then you can say it's irredeemable. Europe got by just fine after dumping all its poor people in the New World.

[Ooloo]

Nobody is "desperate" to view california as a shithole. Most of the state is uninhabited wilderness which is some of the most beautiful geography in the world. The big cities which command all the economic and political capital are shitholes though, yes. All it takes is a cursory glance.

One might say you seem desperate to view california as totally good and dems as totally not responsible for it's impressive failures.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

I am very pleased to have discovered Aussenseiter's trigger. His cunning has let him down. I now know his price. It takes the form of a tax.

Lune, excellent forum work. Now that's soldiering.
https://i.imgur.com/nrW2ceL.jpg

[Lune]

Nobody is "desperate" to view california as a shithole. Most of the state is uninhabited wilderness which is some of the most beautiful geography in the world. The big cities which command all the economic and political capital are shitholes though, yes. All it takes is a cursory glance.

One might say you seem desperate to view california as totally good and dems as totally not responsible for it's impressive failures.

Trust me, as someone who grew up in a rich area of California that wasn't LA or SF, you're wrong.

You don't seem to realize how fucking huge the bay area and the LA metro are. Yes, they have shitholes. They have since long before it was popular to share GIFs of black people looting stores, and they will long after.

[Botten]

Americans Moved to Low-Tax States in 2022 (https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/state/state-population-change-2022/)

This population shift paints a clear picture: people left high-tax, high-cost states for lower-tax, lower-cost alternatives.


Oops. I guess they'll have to keep raising taxes to make up for the shortfall. But of course then more people will move. But just raise taxes again. I'm sure that'll work out just fine.

Idiots hahaha.

In total, California contributes the most individual taxes to the federal budget. As of the most recent tax year for which figures were available, Californians paid over $234 billion in federal income taxes. That's about 15% of the national total.

California is literally paying welfare for most red states.

Higher Education
Healthcare Quality
Low industrial toxin - low pollution in general
Number one in Venture Capital
Number one in Patent Creation Rate
Number two in Business Environment
etc

And due to DeSantis making FL hellish it feels Disney in California is that much less stressful and much more fun to visit.

Only Red (I should really say purple) state that compares is TX.
And Texas tops the list of worst places to live and work in America (https://www.statesman.com/story/news/local/2023/07/18/texas-worst-places-states-to-live-work-in-america-cnbc-business/70421581007/)

[Ooloo]

Trust me, as someone who grew up in a rich area of California that wasn't LA or SF, you're wrong.

You don't seem to realize how fucking huge the bay area and the LA metro are. Yes, they have shitholes. They have since long before it was popular to share GIFs of black people looting stores, and they will long after.

I lived in LA in 2011-12. Of course there were discreet shithole areas, like there are in any city, but there were not block after block of homeless encampments, rampant unpunished crime and blatant open-air drug abuse.

Why are there "gifs of black people looting stores" in LA, Sanfran, NYC and Chicago but none from Houston or Dallas?

It's not a dick measuring contest, nobody is in favor of these things happening and everyone wants it to be curtailed, but the first step toward recovery is admitting you have a problem ya know?

[Lune]

I lived in LA in 2011-12. Of course there were discreet shithole areas, like there are in any city, but there were not block after block of homeless encampments, rampant unpunished crime and blatant open-air drug abuse.

Why are there "gifs of black people looting stores" in LA, Sanfran, NYC and Chicago but none from Houston or Dallas?

It's not a dick measuring contest, nobody is in favor of these things happening and everyone wants it to be curtailed, but the first step toward recovery is admitting you have a problem ya know?

Because the people who distribute these gifs have an agenda. Taxes bad! California bad!

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[Lune]

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[Lune]

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[Origen]

In before the white supremacist talking points come up yet again. Reactionaries and their 30,000 foot view on every issue :rolleyes:

[Landroval]

People who can't hack it in expensive, competitive places where go-getters congregate have to move to cheap shitholes? You don't say.

That said, California has a cost of living crisis, driven by NIMBYism, high taxes, and waste (it's more NIMBYism and red tape than taxes, but acknowledging this would require nuanced and non-tribal thinking on your part). But you're so desperate to view California as a shithole and taxes as bad that you come to the wrong conclusion. People aren't moving to these places because they are better, they are moving there because California isn't offering them enough, them specifically.

When the pole of economic dynamism shifts outside California, then you can say it's irredeemable. Europe got by just fine after dumping all its poor people in the New World.


Are you talking about the NIMBY jews in Atherton again? Andreesen and the other silicon valley jewish executives fighting against affordable housing in their enclave?

[aussenseiter]

In total, California contributes the most individual taxes to the federal budget. As of the most recent tax year for which figures were available, Californians paid over $234 billion in federal income taxes. That's about 15% of the national total.

How much did California pay prior to Tromp's tax plan passing?

I bet it was a lot less!!

[Lune]

How much did California pay prior to Tromp's tax plan passing?

I bet it was a lot less!!

It increased by quite a bit. Trump's tax plan specifically targeted homeowners in rich liberal states by removing mortgage interest deductions. And you blame California for this?

https://i.imgur.com/ApI6nUt.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Qkfh0wg.jpg

Strong showing there, Texas and Florida, with $22 and $40 billion respectively. Oops, California saw about double that.

[Botten]

How much did California pay prior to Tromp's tax plan passing?

I bet it was a lot less!!

You may find your thirst for reactionary posting from others more fun ;)

https://calmatters.org/economy/2019/04/trump-tax-california-salt-deduction-property-april/

[aussenseiter]

It increased by quite a bit. Trump's tax plan specifically targeted homeowners in rich liberal states by removing mortgage interest deductions. And you blame California for this?

https://i.imgur.com/ApI6nUt.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Qkfh0wg.jpg

Strong showing there, Texas and Florida, with $22 and $40 billion respectively. Oops, California saw about double that.

Texas and Florida don't have state income tax.

https://media.tenor.com/S32AOs53m78AAAAC/l-lawliet-death-note.gif

You may find your thirst for reactionary posting from others more fun ;)

https://calmatters.org/economy/2019/04/trump-tax-california-salt-deduction-property-april/

Under TCJA, Tax Revenue Increases Highest Since 1977 (https://waysandmeans.house.gov/report-under-tcja-tax-revenue-increases-highest-since-1977/)

Large corporations and the wealthiest individuals paid the most, too. Individual income taxes increased by 27.5 percent, with 80 percent coming from the top 10 percent of earners.

[Lune]

Texas and Florida don't have state income tax.



This is federal income tax, which is what Botten was talking about, and what you replied to him about. Citizens of all states pay federal income tax

[aussenseiter]

This is federal income tax, which is what Botten was talking about, and what you replied to him about. Citizens of all states pay federal income tax

Unidentical figures. Part of California's federal remittances increasing by more than other states is they lost their tax break boohoo. :)

[Lune]

Unidentical figures. Part of California's federal remittances increasing by more than other states is they lost their tax break boohoo. :)

What lol. You are losing track of your own point. I acknowledged this. How is that California's fault? Trump increased the tax burden in California specifically, and yet you're blaming California for taxing the fuck out of its citizens. Pick one. California already paid disproportionately into the federal government before this bullshit.

boohoo. :)

Malice for a state full of Americans. Who is the patriot between us? Liberals don't spend all day bitching about the South being useless as anything other than a repository for CoL refugees.

Texas and Florida don't have state income tax.

And no, really, how is this relevant to anything?

[Landroval]

What lol. You are losing track of your own point. I acknowledged this. How is that California's fault? Trump increased the tax burden in California specifically, and yet you're blaming California for taxing the fuck out of its citizens. Pick one. California already paid disproportionately into the federal government before this bullshit.



Malice for a state full of Americans. Who is the patriot between us? Liberals don't spend all day bitching about the South being useless as anything other than a repository for CoL refugees.
Now you know why (((they))) rallied against Trump

[aussenseiter]

What lol. You are losing track of your own point. I acknowledged this. How is that California's fault? Trump increased the tax burden in California specifically, and yet you're blaming California for taxing the fuck out of its citizens. Pick one. California already paid disproportionately into the federal government before this bullshit.



Malice for a state full of Americans. Who is the patriot between us? Liberals don't spend all day bitching about the South being useless as anything other than a repository for CoL refugees.



And no, really, how is this relevant to anything?

It's relevant because other states are no longer footing the bill for California's state tax rate. I think that's neat!

Also, false:

California already paid disproportionately into the federal government before this bullshit.

[aussenseiter]

California bad (https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/editorials/story/2023-05-18/california-water-rights-colorado-river-nevada-arizona-feds)

California objected to a plan backed by the other states — Arizona, Nevada, Colorado, Wyoming, New Mexico and Utah — on the grounds it should not have to bear an equal share of the federal government’s call for an annual reduction in Colorado River water

[Ripp]

Spree of robberies, car thefts drive Chicago crime to new highs – Wirepoints (https://wirepoints.org/chicagos-crime-wave-continues-major-crimes-up-34-this-year-after-33-increase-last-year-wirepoints/)

Chicago’s crime wave is still on the move nearly two-thirds of the way through 2023. The number of total major crimes committed in the city through July is 34 percent higher than the same period in 2022, which in turn was 33 percent higher than in 2021, according to the city’s crime data portal.


Lol. Liberal anti-law polices seem to be working well there too. :D

You just can't make this stuff up. Sure, let's defund the police and let criminals run free. Sounds like a great idea.

https://media.giphy.com/media/t7zOZJb44BtHF41Vbo/giphy.gif

[Lune]

It's relevant because other states are no longer footing the bill for California's state tax rate. I think that's neat!

How were other states footing the bill for California's state tax rate?

Federal tax dollars go to the federal government, for federal expenses. California was already paying more than it received.

How were other states footing the bill?

[Duik]

The mars billionaire geniuses have already fucked mars for martians.
Elon and co want their sloppy seconds.

[unsunghero]

The site linked showing Texas had worst quality of life had “inclusivity” as a major metric, which is LGBTQIFHSVEFH+&$@$ rights, abortion access, etc

So that negative would be seen as a positive to most of the GOP TBH

[Lune]

Also, false:

Forgot how you guys just lie and lie and lie, never anything in good faith. Next time you wonder why Origen just straight up has contempt for reactionaries and isn't ginger with you, this is why. I'll take yall seriously when you can deal in facts.

https://i.imgur.com/H4seLtV.jpg

[aussenseiter]

How were other states footing the bill for California's state tax rate?

Federal tax dollars go to the federal government, for federal expenses. California was already paying more than it received.

How were other states footing the bill?

Somehow the state with the most people was the 9th place taxpayer. (https://lao.ca.gov/Publications/Report/3531/2)

For example, according to the Tax Foundation study, California paid $8,028 per person in federal taxes, ranking the state 9th on this measure.

[aussenseiter]

Forgot how you guys just lie and lie and lie, never anything in good faith. Next time you wonder why Origen just straight up has contempt for reactionaries and isn't ginger with you, this is why. I'll take yall seriously when you can deal in facts.

https://i.imgur.com/H4seLtV.jpg

No, ‘blue states’ do not bail out ‘red states’ (https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/502321-no-blue-states-do-not-bailout-red-states/)

Just the facts, maam.

[Landroval]

Isn't it the California liberals that coined the phrase, "I don't mind paying a little more in taxes, if it means blahblahblah. Now we(libs) crying about it?

[Origen]

The red state I live in cranks out Marvel Cinematic Universe schlock. You're welcome.

[Lune]

Somehow the state with the most people was the 9th place taxpayer. (https://lao.ca.gov/Publications/Report/3531/2)

Somehow the state with the most people was 9th in per capita taxes paid

Are you being serious right now?

If you read the actual page you are linking the data and conclusions are the same as mine lol, you're just drawing the complete opposite (and erroneous) conclusion from it. California has a lower per capita tax expenditure relative to other states, while still paying more in taxes, because lots of rich people (and even more poor people)

Isn't it the California liberals that coined the phrase, "I don't mind paying a little more in taxes, if it means blahblahblah. Now we(libs) crying about it?

The origin of this discussion wasn't me crying about taxes, but people claiming everyone else was footing the bill for California. My only grievance is the Trump era tax reform specifically targeting high CoL states (and the middle class as a whole) through mortgage interest deduction elimination

[unsunghero]

San Diego is still nice, and conservative majority, I believe

[aussenseiter]

Isn't it the California liberals that coined the phrase, "I don't mind paying a little more in taxes, if it means blahblahblah. Now we(libs) crying about it?

A progressive tax system where the richest state doesn't pay the most taxes isn't progressive.

[unsunghero]

A progressive tax system where the richest state doesn't pay the most taxes isn't progressive.

Your site also mentioned:

“It is hypocritical to decry the tax code for taxing high-income states more than low income states while intentionally designing tax policies with that effect”

[Lune]

A progressive tax system where the richest state doesn't pay the most taxes isn't progressive.

You'd be right about that. Except California does pay the most taxes, just not per capita. California is not the richest state per capita, so it shouldn't pay the most per capita.

[aussenseiter]

Somehow the state with the most people was 9th in per capita taxes paid

Are you being serious right now?

If you read the actual page you are linking the data and conclusions are the same as mine lol, you're just drawing the complete opposite (and erroneous) conclusion from it. California has a lower per capita tax expenditure relative to other states, while still paying more in taxes, because lots of rich people (and even more poor people)

California already paid disproportionately into the federal government before this bullshit.

[Origen]

San Diego is still nice, and conservative majority, I believeI interpret a lot of the "parachute journalism" kind of stuff the chuds do regarding California as envy.

It's like the polar opposite of how liberal media treats southern red states. Or "flyover" states.

No war but the class war, baby.

[Lune]

non-sequitur quoting

^ You're trying to make two contradictory points at once and are confused.

California pays the most gross federal taxes. It was 9th in per capita taxes. It receives far, far less compared to what it pays than any of the other major states you're talking about, such as Texas and Florida, not to mention the stroke belt. That's what disproportionately means.

California pays far more than it receives, and this gap is wider than other states

[aussenseiter]

^ You're trying to make two contradictory points at once and are confused.

California pays the most gross federal taxes. It was 9th in per capita taxes. It receives far, far less compared to what it pays than any of the other major states you're talking about, such as Texas and Florida, not to mention the stroke belt. That's what disproportionately means.

California pays far more than it receives, and this gap is wider than other states

Non sequitur quoting is where Lune says one thing and goes on to prove himself wrong.

[unsunghero]

I interpret a lot of the "parachute journalism" kind of stuff the chuds do regarding California as envy.

It's like the polar opposite of how liberal media treats southern red states. Or "flyover" states.

No war but the class war, baby.

Hmmm yea I guess I would rather live in SD than here if I could afford it. But that’s partly because my only experience in San Diego has been 12 yearly-consecutive trips to a multi-million dollar beach house right on the boardwalk facing the ocean in Mission Beach. Which is just about the best possible setup you could have (although there are beaches considered “nicer”, I just meant a beach house right on the boardwalk)

Traffic is nuts, cost of living is nuts, but I guess if we are assuming infinite money then that wouldn’t be a problem. They don’t have lots of homeless that I see anymore

So, ultimately, my perception is skewed

[Lune]

Orange County was the same way, was Republican at least until Trump now it's purple. Very nice place.

People sometimes forget that 1 in 8 Americans live in California, and 40+% of them are Republican. This is one reason why the senate and electoral college blow. All of them are disenfranchised with respect to the senate and presidency.

[Ripp]

"Everyone wants to live here." :D

https://i.imgflip.com/4olkzj.jpg

[Lune]

Sorry you cant afford California hope this helps

[Botten]

Under TCJA, Tax Revenue Increases Highest Since 1977 (https://waysandmeans.house.gov/report-under-tcja-tax-revenue-increases-highest-since-1977/)

We tangenting so soon to 1977 from 2019.

[Ripp]

Every Company Leaving California: 2020-2023 (https://buildremote.co/companies/companies-leaving-california/)

Oof lol. Oof.

https://media.giphy.com/media/xUStFKHmuFPYk/giphy.gif

[Ripp]

ROFL.

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[aussenseiter]

Sorry you cant afford California hope this helps

Gonna catch a rightful beating stanning California up here man.

[Elizondo]

EZ mad because Republicans are struggling to make up issues they have with Biden compared to the train wreck that was last administration.

Inflation going down.
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https://apnews.com/article/biden-inflation-reduction-climate-anniversary-9950f7e814ac71e89eee3f452ab17f71

Yes, inflation is down. No, the Inflation Reduction Act doesn’t deserve the credit

WASHINGTON (AP) — Even President Joe Biden has some regrets about the name of the Inflation Reduction Act: As the giant law turns 1 on Wednesday, it’s increasingly clear that immediately curbing prices wasn’t the point.

While price increases have cooled over the past year — the inflation rate has dropped from 9% to 3.2% — most economists say little to none of the drop came from the law.

Alex Arnon, an economic and budget analyst for the University of Pennsylvania’s Penn Wharton Budget Model, offers a similar assessment.

“We can say with pretty strong confidence that it was mostly other factors that have brought inflation down,’’ he said. “The IRA has just not been a significant factor.’’

Economy under Trump was awesome

Everything under Biden sucks. He's a massive failure.

Cope and seethe

[Botten]

Every Company Leaving California: 2020-2023 (https://buildremote.co/companies/companies-leaving-california/)

Oof lol. Oof.


Just from glancing at your list.

Oof indeed some of those companies will still be paying California taxes.

for example...

Chevron did say its plan would be to "remain headquartered in California, where the company has a 140-year history and operations and partnerships throughout the state."

[Elizondo]

lawl some real big time losers posting on multiple accounts the last few pages

[Ripp]

https://media.giphy.com/media/kzrJW3NLmWJikQCNTf/giphy.gif

[Origen]

lawl some real big time losers posting on multiple accounts the last few pagesNice to see the brainworms I gave Elizondo are still finding a little sustenance

[Elizondo]

https://media.giphy.com/media/kzrJW3NLmWJikQCNTf/giphy.gif

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[Origen]

Gonna catch a rightful beating stanning California up here man.California rules, except for all of that fire. All these nerds are just jealous.

No, I can't afford to live there either but most of these losers don't have the balls to live where I live.

[Botten]

https://apnews.com/article/biden-inflation-reduction-climate-anniversary-9950f7e814ac71e89eee3f452ab17f71

Your own article:

Biden administration officials have said that their actions contributed to lower inflation. By releasing oil from the U.S. strategic reserve, they say, they reduced the financial pain at the gas pump. The administration also created a task force to improve U.S. port activity and supply chains. The White House also stayed quiet on Fed rate hikes, giving the central bank the independence to work without political pressure.

Biden has been careful not to declare an outright victory against inflation, as it’s still higher than the Fed’s 2% target. But the White House says the cost savings from the Inflation Reduction Act are coming as the law is getting enacted.

Tax credits will reduce the cost of installing rooftop solar panels by 30%, which will in turn lower monthly electricity bills. Tax credits also make it more affordable to install a heat pump to control a home’s central air, possibly trimming energy bills by $1,000 annually. There are other tax credits for energy efficient doors and windows as well as new insulation.

Electric utilities using the tax credits for renewable energy will pass roughly $8.2 billion in savings to their customers. People can defray the costs of buying a new electric vehicle with a $7,500 tax credit.

The law also has measures related to health care. Biden has often said in speeches that Medicare recipients will have the monthly cost of their insulin capped at $35. Starting in 2025, there will be a $2,000 limit on out-of-pocket prescription drugs that will save 19 million people on Medicare an average of $400 annually. The CBO estimated that people enrolled in Medicare Part D, which involves prescription drugs, will have their personal costs lowered by $25 billion in 2031.

Taken together, the law could help protect the U.S. economy against the rising oil costs and broken supply chains that triggered the most recent bout of high inflation.

“The IRA will be a big plus for the economy in the long-run as it reduces the economy’s reliance on fossil fuels,” said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Analytics. “It will make the economy less vulnerable to spiking oil prices, which have contributed to nearly every recession since World War II.’’

Biden administration increase the economy and lowered inflation. You got nothing EZ.


Economy under Trump was awesome

Everything under Biden sucks. He's a massive failure.

Cope and seethe

Yeah the 16 Trillion lost in the economy from the mismanagement of Covid by the Trump Administration was awesome.

Trump was handed an economic up ticket from the previous administration and he couldn't even hold on to that.

Ha Ha Ha at one point Trump had the DOW lower than what the previous administration left him.

EZ you have literally nothing and guess what....

The Democrats are going to win again in 2024.

Republicans have next to no motivation to even get out and vote. The Republican candidates are shadowed in scandal, turmoil and disarray. Even from the midterms Chris Christie said it best - Trump picks in battle ground states lost and you can't expect him to win the presidency with these loses.

The only question now is how bad will the republicans lose?

[Lune]

California is a deeply flawed place, and I wish it was better governed. But the complete lack of perspective is ridiculous. Contrary to what you might thing, shit-filled streets and retail mobs are rare and highly localized.

[Ripp]

https://i.imgflip.com/7w45j2.jpg

[Origen]

California is a deeply flawed place, and I wish it was better governed. But the complete lack of perspective is ridiculous. Contrary to what you might thing, shit-filled streets and retail mobs are rare and highly localized.My city has a population of maybe 50k people and has always been run by conservatives. Guess what you can find downtown? Shit in the street. And our very own camp of homeless folks the city council is always hemming and hawing about because of whining nimbys.

These problems will only get worse with austerity, they know that, they just always seem to think they're right around the corner from being millionaires themselves. So they proof themselves against empathy and call themselves good Christians.

[Ripp]

https://i.imgflip.com/7w463o.jpg

[Lune]

Gonna catch a rightful beating stanning California up here man.

Nevermind the problems the stroke belt and midwest have that California doesn't, such as high suicide rates. Why people in Montana kill themselves at 3x the rate of Californians is anyone's guess, though I suspect it has something to do with living in Montana. All people deserve to be healthy and happy, and I wouldn't wish that on anyone. That's why colonists from California will be coming soon on a mission to civilize.