NY GRAND JURY VOTES TO INDICT TRUMP

[Origen]

No, I say that like "I don't understand"

I also don't especially care, but I usually indicate that by not posting so please disregard this section of my post

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

I think the religious revival on the right is in response to the gender ideology being pushed on kids. The religiosity has always been there but segments of society are recoiling as school kids are taking field trips to drag shows and almost every media is promoting and celebrating it.

What's really sad is that the transgender movement went full retard. Instead of seeking acceptance they wanted social promotion and celebration, but now they will likely get nothing.

You sound like someone who thinks everything that is happening now revolves around now.

Error.

You have no idea, apparently, how traumatized fundamentalist forms of religion -- not just US Christianity's version -- have been by the rise of science and the modern world in general.

I am fairly sure what really let the fuse, especially among Southern Christians , was the insane idea that Blacks are just human beings, full stop. This goes against the teaching of what happened to Ham. He was black, and the mark of Cain, many churches would teach, is black skin.

That was the 19th century. Then, on top of that fuse, science introduced the theory of evolution. Which simply operated on the underlying *geographical fact* the earth is hundreds of millions of years old.

Most American fundamentalists were taught the Earth is about 10,000 years old, and began in a Garden of Eden with two people, then there was a flood that killed everyone, and then we styarted over because someone built a boat.

Trannies didn't start the fire. And fundamentalist Christianity has been saying they are going to "take back" this Country every since the Civil War.

Citing facts on this thread is boring. We got a squad of non demented people here, arguing with a nose whistler who is slowly discovering three syllable words.

Flames used to be so much fun. Now it's like remedial life classes for people who simply spent way too much time playing console games during the 2010's.

[Rager and Quitter]

No, I say that like "I don't understand"

I also don't especially care, but I usually indicate that by not posting so please disregard this section of my post

It's easy to get swept up in the current when you don't row at all. You, sir, are not rowing.

[Origen]

No, I am drilling holes in the boat, or attempting to do so from a distance because I am not in the boat

[aussenseiter]

Jesus was a Leftist.

https://i.imgur.com/gmNZQpm.png

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

D.H Lawrence said that the US is inherently a divided nation, because it was populated by two opposite-minded waves of colonists. The first were religious exiles. In England, the King did not want these groups setting up Geneva-like church states across the countryside.

These are the poeople we are told came here for religious freedom. The pilgrims. They came because England said they could not simply set up mini-theocracies.

So they came to the US. And the settled it in places.

The other wave are the European Enlightenment folks. The Founding Fathers et alia. They came over to build a nation. They did it.

Ever since, the Puritanical streak has been at war with the Enlightenment streak.

I am not gonna dumb down my game just cuz i'm on p99 honeys. Never fucking have. We're geeks! Act like it!

[aussenseiter]

These are the poeople we are told came here for religious freedom. The pilgrims. They came because England said they could not simply set up mini-theocracies.


England is a theocracy to this day.

[Rager and Quitter]

No, I am drilling holes in the boat, or attempting to do so from a distance because I am not in the boat

Which is even worse considering everyone else is in a boat. Some people just want to watch the world burn?

[Origen]

https://i.imgur.com/gmNZQpm.pngSorry, but I do consider myself a Christian and that's why I know Jesus is a Leftist, as is God at least since the New Covenant. And if he existed today, it would be conservatives crucifying him.

[aussenseiter]

Sorry, but I do consider myself a Christian and that's why I know Jesus is a Leftist, as is God at least since the New Covenant. And if he existed today, it would be conservatives crucifying him.

So what's a demon and what's a bigot?

[Origen]

Which is even worse considering everyone else is in a boat. Some people just want to watch the world burn?Burn? A boat on a river? I thought I was drilling the boat

Getting lost in your own metaphor, buddy?

[Origen]

So what's a demon and what's a bigot?1.) I dunno, but it's not a person
2.) a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.

[aussenseiter]

1.) I dunno, but it's not a person
2.) a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.

To dumb it down, a subhuman.

[Origen]

I don't think I would use that term. Being a conservative doesn't cause genetic or psychological changes, they are still human beings themselves even if they are bigots.

Not all conservatives are, obviously, but many that frequent this forum certainly are and I'd tattoo that on their foreheads if I had the power to do so.

[aussenseiter]

genetic or psychological changes

ENHANCE

[Rager and Quitter]

Burn? A boat on a river? I thought I was drilling the boat

Getting lost in your own metaphor, buddy?

Yeesh. I guess you just aren't following. Sinking the boats everyone is sitting in is akin to just wanting the watch it all be destroyed, the boat, the world, everyone. Keep up, friend.

[Origen]

Enhance what? I said it doesn't cause changes.

I have many theories as to what makes a person take conservative "thought" seriously in the first place, but it isn't wisdom and it isn't intelligence.

Yeesh. I guess you just aren't following. Sinking the boats everyone is sitting in is akin to just wanting the watch it all be destroyed, the boat, the world, everyone. Keep up, friend.It's your clumsy metaphor, don't get mad at me because you can't find the words

[aussenseiter]

Enhance what? I said it doesn't cause changes.

I have many theories as to what makes a person take conservative "thought" seriously in the first place, but it isn't wisdom and it isn't intelligence.



I'm old enough to remember when the gay was genetic.

[Origen]

I'm old enough to remember my dad stopping our family road trips to the beach because he saw two men holding hands walking down the boardwalk there.

He's since come around. It was the 80's and everyone was afraid of AIDS.

[Rager and Quitter]

Enhance what? I said it doesn't cause changes.

I have many theories as to what makes a person take conservative "thought" seriously in the first place, but it isn't wisdom and it isn't intelligence.

It's your clumsy metaphor, don't get mad at me because you can't find the words

That's alright. Reading comprehension isn't everyone's stronk suit.

[Origen]

Hehe it certainly isn't around here in this alt-right subforum, no. They never do the reading, that's why it's always a Youtube link

[Landroval]

ITT: Jesus navigated the Dao by exclusively making left hand turns.

The omphalos is on the left side.

[Origen]

That's cool, angry Reiwa

[Rager and Quitter]

Hehe it certainly isn't around here in this alt-right subforum, no. They never do the reading, that's why it's always a Youtube link

Lol! We can all agree there isn't a single useful thing on YouTube :)

[aussenseiter]

That's cool, angry Reiwa

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-hand_path_and_right-hand_path

[Origen]

I dunno about that, this specific video got me laid years ago

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[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Hehe it certainly isn't around here in this alt-right subforum, no. They never do the reading, that's why it's always a Youtube link

This is the worst alt-right subforum in the entire future universe of alt-right universe-centered fanfics, movies, game shows, and high school plays.

[Origen]

This is the worst alt-right subforum in the entire future universe of alt-right universe-centered fanfics, movies, game shows, and high school plays.I like it when they talk about how much they are alpha males, and they've been in all these fights, and they're the authorities on what is masculine and what is not

On an Everquest forum :D

Also, they have temper tantrums when they get banned

[Rager and Quitter]

[QUOTE=Origen;3623382]I dunno about that, this specific video got me laid years ago

Well that's great. I hope he appreciated you.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

I like it when they talk about how much they are alpha males, and they've been in all these fights, and they're the authorities on what is masculine and what is not

On an Everquest forum :D

Also, they have temper tantrums when they get banned

Yep.
https://i.imgur.com/nk8l7lQ.jpg

[Ooloo]

Hehe it certainly isn't around here in this alt-right subforum, no. They never do the reading, that's why it's always a Youtube link

You sure do love your appeal to authority fallacy.

Youtube is, for better or worse, a neutral platform. Categorically rejecting something only because it's a "youtube link" is nonsensical.

What kinds of sources do you consider credible, just out of curiosity?

[Rager and Quitter]

You sure do love your appeal to authority fallacy.

Youtube is, for better or worse, a neutral platform. Categorically rejecting something only because it's a "youtube link" is nonsensical.

What kinds of sources do you consider credible, just out of curiosity?

He trusts any source that confirms what he already believed.

[Origen]

You sure do love your appeal to authority fallacy.

Youtube is, for better or worse, a neutral platform. Categorically rejecting something only because it's a "youtube link" is nonsensical.

What kinds of sources do you consider credible, just out of curiosity?For a guy who was lavishing praise on the Supreme Court the other day, you've got a real hard-on for this "Appeal to Authority" fallacy that you commit all the time

I guess it's not children in sexual situations, though, so I consider this an improvement

Thank the Leftist Lord that we aren't in debate club. No, Matt Walsh videos are still just the other end of Jon Stewart videos

[Origen]

He trusts any source that confirms what he already believed.Nah, you have it backwards. I don't trust any source that Ooloo provides because he's Ooloo.

Thankfully, I've never had to test this because he's never provided any sources for shit!

[aussenseiter]

Tromp calls special prosecutor a ‘crackhead’ (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-truth-social-4th-of-july-approval-rating-b2369557.html)

[Ooloo]

For a guy who was lavishing praise on the Supreme Court the other day, you've got a real hard-on for this "Appeal to Authority" fallacy that you commit all the time

I guess it's not children in sexual situations, though, so I consider this an improvement

Thank the Leftist Lord that we aren't in debate club. No, Matt Walsh videos are still just the other end of Jon Stewart videos

Haha debate club. Understanding logical fallacies is a great tool for not making terrible arguments. I'm just trying to help you out.

For instance it continues to be insanely illogical that you accuse me of being some kind of pedophile because I *oppose* children being exposed to blatantly sexual content. Do you see how that makes no sense at all?

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

You sure do love your appeal to authority fallacy.

Youtube is, for better or worse, a neutral platform. Categorically rejecting something only because it's a "youtube link" is nonsensical.

What kinds of sources do you consider credible, just out of curiosity?

clearly noncredible ones.

If you can keep track of a few sources, the disinfo / noise filters out. It's the same tech used in telecommunications in error correction. No two sources will have the same noise signature so you just subtract all noise.

No static at all

[Rager and Quitter]

The truth in all this is I don't think any productive conversations every happen on this forum, and I'm mostly trying to post to get my post count up.

For the longest time my post count was stuck at 11, even when I have hundreds of posts, and it legit made me sad, because how could I ever become a planar protector without my post count growing, but for whatever reason its going up now, so I need to get post happy and keep this rolling.

[Rager and Quitter]

46! Keep it rolling baby! You know what time it is!

[Rager and Quitter]

Is triple posting illegal if you're going for total post count?

[Origen]

Haha debate club. Understanding logical fallacies is a great tool for not making terrible arguments. I'm just trying to help you out.

For instance it continues to be insanely illogical that you accuse me of being some kind of pedophile because I *oppose* children being exposed to blatantly sexual content. Do you see how that makes no sense at all?I've never actually called you that, so, uh, interesting choice of words

Anyways, you enjoy pretending to be in debate club if and when it suits you

[Homesteaded]

I share my opinions on here but some of these leftists have to be kidding with the takes they claim.

[Origen]

That's how we all feel about that cross in your avatar, bruh

[Botten]

I share my opinions on here but some of these leftists have to be kidding with the takes they claim.

Yeah it is hard to believe a political party that doesn't have a voter base that primarily consists of a religion known for their priests who endanger minors. How does the right sleep knowing they don't condone this? Sounds like a good reason to get rid of the religion or restrict it to adults only.

[Trexller]

CDC gives guidance for trans people 'chestfeeding' kids (https://www.foxnews.com/media/cdc-gives-guidance-trans-people-chestfeeding-kids-accused-failing-consider-possible-health-risks)

In sections of the major health institute’s guidance on breastfeeding, it contained information for those who have had much of their breasts removed in gender-reassignment surgeries, or for biological men taking hormones to grow breasts, on how to feed their newborn children.

doctors criticized the guidance, not simply because CDC has appeared to guide biological men in how to breastfeed children, but because they claimed the CDC has failed to gauge the risks posed to children drinking milk produced by chemicals used in gender-reassignment medical operations.

[Ooloo]

The truth in all this is I don't think any productive conversations every happen on this forum, and I'm mostly trying to post to get my post count up.

I post for the lurkers not the posters (well except the cool ones who I like)

[Ooloo]

CDC gives guidance for trans people 'chestfeeding' kids (https://www.foxnews.com/media/cdc-gives-guidance-trans-people-chestfeeding-kids-accused-failing-consider-possible-health-risks)

Look there's *no evidence* that this thing that just started happening five seconds ago might be dangerous. Which is true; there's no evidence that it's dangerous and there's also no evidence that it's safe. Let's just roll the dice with totally innocent children's lives!

But remember; you only have a problem with it if you're a nazi.

[Elizondo]

Look there's *no evidence* that this thing that just started happening five seconds ago might be dangerous. Which is true; there's no evidence that it's dangerous and there's also no evidence that it's safe. Let's just roll the dice with totally innocent children's lives!

But remember; you only have a problem with it if you're a nazi.

It's just child abuse / child mutilation trying to be obfuscated by the most insane ideology in human history

hth

[Origen]

What ideology is that and can you summarize it in one hundred words?

[Trexller]

What ideology is that and can you summarize it in one hundred words?

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s official website published advice for trans and non-binary individuals on seeking guidance on how to "chestfeed" their infants.

what part of this statement is not a new-age cult religion ideology?

[Origen]

Tell me why it's wrong using science and evidence and I'll answer your question

[aussenseiter]

what part of this statement is not a new-age cult religion ideology?

I think if it was substitute milk that would be kosher. Emotional bonding and stuff.

[aussenseiter]

Like a fake tits vest or similar that dispenses milk.

Swear some husbands are made to do that.

[Origen]

QCb0m3CAeos

[Rager and Quitter]

How about people who say some women have penises or some men can get pregnant. Lol.

[Trexller]

I think if it was substitute milk that would be kosher. Emotional bonding and stuff.


https://www.mother.ly/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/origin-4734.jpg

[aussenseiter]

https://www.mother.ly/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/origin-4734.jpg

Lol I didn't say I liked the idea. Hahaha.

[Origen]

Not seeing any facts or logic

Curious

[Trexller]

Not seeing any facts or logic

Curious

The answers you seek:

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[Ekco]

https://www.mother.ly/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/origin-4734.jpg

everyday we stray further from god's light.

[aussenseiter]

everyday we stray further from god's light.

Hugs are important to little monkeys.

Rhesii raised in a cage are universally psychopaths.

[Origen]

Once again I ask for evidence from the people who insist they are the masters of "facts & logic" and the result is a Youtube video that I am definitely not watching

[Rager and Quitter]

Once again I ask for evidence from the people who insist they are the masters of "facts & logic" and the result is a Youtube video that I am definitely not watching

It turns out there are quite a few experts that provide content on YouTube. I highly doubt anyone cares enough about your worldview to digest the material so that it can be spoon fed to you later. Good argument can be made that you'd be better off listening to their direct words than having someone else filter it before it gets to you. You've already suggested you're okay experimenting on kids, so it's not like anyone is going to present anything to you that's going to make you change your mind lol.

[Rager and Quitter]

Post #50, yeah boyyyyyyy!

[Origen]

There sure are, there's nothing inherent to a video that makes it anti-factual

But those aren't the videos the right links on the rare occasion I sealion one into actually providing evidence for their dubious claims

Unfortunately, lawmakers don't have my standards so our society is slowly being dismantled by low-information reactionaries

[Homesteaded]

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[Homesteaded]

Yeah it is hard to believe a political party that doesn't have a voter base that primarily consists of a religion known for their priests who endanger minors. How does the right sleep knowing they don't condone this? Sounds like a good reason to get rid of the religion or restrict it to adults only.

Do you think this line of argument actually lands? A Religion primarily known for priests endangering minors?

Christianity is a religious belief system that separates itself from ALL other major religions in the fact that it actually pushed a supernatural process. Christianity teaches love, forgiveness and acceptance. In Christianity the answer to sin is not condemnation as is the case in all other major religions. Jesus taught us to forgive, to find love in the world. This makes it supernatural. If you sin and make a mistake, the response isn't to shame and guilt people. It is to forgive, to love your brothers and sisters. Find me anything remotely like that in Islam.

You show me in The Bible where it says it's okay to molest children and we can have a discussion about that. The sins of student are not laid at the feet of it's teachers. No one buys this line of argument if they have a sliver of honesty.

I hold no ill will toward any of the people you claim I hold hate toward, I feel empathy and pain for those who are living a life that is dealing with heavy burdens.

Love ya

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

what part of this statement is not a new-age cult religion ideology?

But why do you say that in such a negative way?

Ever been to Utah? That's steam engine age cult religion ideology. They originally wanted tons o' wives and I doubt age of consent mattered much.

Hold it a second.

Are you actually dissing the Mormons?

Fuck. Dude. They find you.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Hugs are important to little monkeys.

Rhesii raised in a cage are universally psychopaths.

Damn. No need to even go monkey hunting. Go down to the pound.

If you don't get "what's missing?" for those doggos, you are the sociopath. Pack. Belonging. Belonging.

Did I mention belonging?

We is like them.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Belonging is a curious word, etymologically. Deep runes.

There is no word for "belonging" in the tongue of Mordor.

[Origen]

Once again I ask for evidence from the people who insist they are the masters of "facts & logic" and the result is a Youtube video that I am definitely not watching

[Botten]

Do you think this line of argument actually lands? A Religion primarily known for priests endangering minors?

Christianity is a religious belief system that separates itself from ALL other major religions in the fact that it actually pushed a supernatural process. Christianity teaches love, forgiveness and acceptance. In Christianity the answer to sin is not condemnation as is the case in all other major religions. Jesus taught us to forgive, to find love in the world. This makes it supernatural. If you sin and make a mistake, the response isn't to shame and guilt people. It is to forgive, to love your brothers and sisters. Find me anything remotely like that in Islam.

You show me in The Bible where it says it's okay to molest children and we can have a discussion about that. The sins of student are not laid at the feet of it's teachers. No one buys this line of argument if they have a sliver of honesty.

I hold no ill will toward any of the people you claim I hold hate toward, I feel empathy and pain for those who are living a life that is dealing with heavy burdens.

Love ya

Oh they love... just not the love you are not thinking of.
Bible has some of the oldest sexual filth in it.

With extremes in which daughters are getting pregnant by there own father in a dirty cave - you really have no ground to stand on.

Nothing supernatural about it. Besides...

Much of Christianity was copied from other ancient religions, especially Zoroastrianism. From Zoroastrianism, it gets monotheism, a devil, heaven and hell, reward and punishment, good works, angels and archangels, holy scriptures, end times, and more.

From other pagan religions, it copies virgin birth, a savior man/god, resurrection stories, creation stories, flood stories, miracles, etc. And, of course, the christian god is borrowed directly from Judaism.

Christianity is hardly unique in its concepts. Plagiarism was rampant at the time “new religions” were being devised.

BTW - In general, pushing another religion on others (as Christianity) does isn't teaching love.

[Homesteaded]

Pro Tip: Don't read The Bible as if it's a Harry Potter book

In that story it is the daughters who seduce their father. It's a lesson in the dangers of lust, deception and alcohol. Just because a book has a theme in it doesn't mean it supports it.

It's not surprising that you think this though, your ilk love to censor things you don't like without any context. Unless of course it's exposing young children to sexual material, in that case it's actually compassionate.

[Origen]

"No, I actually love the trans kids and all the other people I call demons. That's why I want the state to interfere in a decision that is best left to medical experts and families. Plus, this way, children will suffer because I am easily grossed out.

Sin? Don't worry about it, I get a clean slate every Sunday."

[Homesteaded]

Sin? Don't worry about it, I get a clean slate every Sunday."

If you accept the Lord into your life. Minor detail.

[Homesteaded]

Have you ever wondered why The Bible and it's stories have survived and thrived to the extent they have? Why aren't we all pagans? Maybe because it doesn't hold up under scrutiny. Maybe Jesus was sent to us to correct our incorrect beliefs. Which doesn't mean ALL beliefs were incorrect.

Just like when a kid learns a lesson, it's important they learn the right lesson. In which case you try and correct them and point them to the truth that they might be close to but just not quite getting it right.

[Origen]

It's very easy to ignore bad advice from a hateful hypocrite.

[Ooloo]

Origen\rob still going to bat for sterilizing totally healthy kids because it's "best left to doctors". Yes, the magic doctors definitely don't have a perverse monetary incentive to do these things. Suddenly the opposition to the evil greedy capitalists goes out the window, because it's a tribe-sanctioned issue.

Oh btw Ana Kasparian getting based; I can finally think she's hot again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlGLMUbeuvs
(WARNING: Youtube link)

[Origen]

Due to the fact that I am not a hyper-arrogant reactionary, I defer to experts when it comes to medical issues. Sorry you can't wrap ypur head around that.

Tell me why, using evidence, that I should believe you over these organizations:

American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry
American Academy of Dermatology
American Academy of Family Physicians
American Academy of Nursing
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Academy of Physician Assistants
American College Health Association
American College of Nurse-Midwives
American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists
American College of Physicians
American Counseling Association
American Heart Association
American Medical Association
American Medical Student Association
American Nurses Association
American Osteopathic Association
American Psychiatric Association
American Psychological Association
American Public Health Association
American Society of Plastic Surgeons
Endocrine Society
Federation of Pediatric Organizations
GLMA: Health Professionals Advancing LGBTQ Equality
National Association of Nurse Practitioners in Women's Health
National Association of Social Workers
National Commission on Correctional Health Care
Pediatric Endocrine Society
Society for Adolescent Health and Medicine
World Medical Association
World Professional Association for Transgender Health

[Homesteaded]

So as long as some invisible group of people tell you it’s safe, then you’re on board.

[Origen]

Buddy those organizations aren't perfect, nothing ever is. Don't even get me started on how much the AMA has screwed Americans over and over.

However, you're claiming you know medical stuff better than, like, literally thousands of doctors. Okay, show us the proof.

[Ooloo]

Due to the fact that I am not a hyper-arrogant reactionary, I defer to experts when it comes to medical issues. Sorry you can't wrap ypur head around that.

Tell me why, using evidence, that I should believe you over these organizations:

American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry
American Academy of Dermatology
American Academy of Family Physicians
American Academy of Nursing
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Academy of Physician Assistants
American College Health Association
American College of Nurse-Midwives
American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists
American College of Physicians
American Counseling Association
American Heart Association
American Medical Association
American Medical Student Association
American Nurses Association
American Osteopathic Association
American Psychiatric Association
American Psychological Association
American Public Health Association
American Society of Plastic Surgeons
Endocrine Society
Federation of Pediatric Organizations
GLMA: Health Professionals Advancing LGBTQ Equality
National Association of Nurse Practitioners in Women's Health
National Association of Social Workers
National Commission on Correctional Health Care
Pediatric Endocrine Society
Society for Adolescent Health and Medicine
World Medical Association
World Professional Association for Transgender Health

Ah the list of magic experts again. Look I just personally think it's wrong to sterilize totally healthy kids who can't possibly understand long-term, permanent decisions, even if the.... *squints* National Association of Social Workers think it's a great idea. They can actually be wrong sometimes, ya know?

Like seriously, do you think doctors can *ever* do anything unethical? What, in your opinion, would be an unethical medical procedure for a doctor to perform?

[Homesteaded]

Why don't I trust institutions?

I'm 37 years old and I've lived my own life, observed the world. I lived through Covid. If you don't have a budding mistrust of institutions then I don't know what world you're living in.

Institutions are made up of people. People are imperfect.

[Ooloo]

Also I'm really not crazy about this completely inverted burden of proof rob keeps invoking.

You're asking why it's NOT okay to do this, rather than affirmatively explaining why it IS okay to do in the first place. "Show me EVIDENCE that it's not okay to cut my arms and legs off!". Um?

I can *kind of* get on board with legal adults choosing to do these things, even if I still think it's a terrible idea. The whole consent issue regarding kids is what I find so appalling.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Bunch a theologians up in this shit now. Damn.

Stephen Hawkings vs Ken Hamm.

Who ya got?

[druidbob]

So as long as some invisible group of people tell you it’s safe, then you’re on board.

I'm sorry but saying this right after arguing the merits of Christianity which is all about an invisible entity telling you what to do made me lol

[Origen]

Way to dance around the question, fellas. Elegant attempts to change the subject.

That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without consideration, yadda yadda.

[Botten]

So as long as some invisible group of people tell you it’s safe, then you’re on board.

The irony- Christianity

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Why don't I trust institutions?

I'm 37 years old and I've lived my own life, observed the world. I lived through Covid. If you don't have a budding mistrust of institutions then I don't know what world you're living in.

Institutions are made up of people. People are imperfect.

Why does imperfection imply not worthy of trust? If you apply that standard, you also cannot trust even yourself.

And so why are you giving advice? Shouldn't you be doubting yourself?

I live in an imperefect world that also includes things worth having faith in. Among them, basic institutions, basic values or ideals, norms. Ours are pretty durable.

They are not perfect, as you note. But river deep, mountain high. No?

It's so stupid being gloomy or thinking the world is ending. One's personal life might suck, but any rational consideration of long term trends have *not* turned up insurmountable negatives. Gonna be a ton o' refugee challenges mid-century. But challenges, that's supposed to be our wheelhouse.

Why so sad? The emo battalions of the formerly fuck your feelings Trump-on-a-Tank crowd is so grim. Literally, stop waving US flags. You think we are Kaiju fucked. Why do you want a damn thing to do with this country?

GO AMISH ALREADY

[Botten]

Institutions are made up of people. People are imperfect.

Everything God makes is perfect. I have been made by God in his image therefore I am perfect.

Only way to believe people are imperfect is to denounce God.

Might have broke you. Sorry.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2hLL_UNUSo
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[Homesteaded]

I'm sorry but saying this right after arguing the merits of Christianity which is all about an invisible entity telling you what to do made me lol

I believe because I have experienced it. The teachings match what I’ve witnessed working in the real world. Non-Christians love to believe only low IQ people could possibly believe.

[Homesteaded]

I'm not doom and gloom. Just concerned with trends.

Speaking of the Amish, they don't get vaccinated. Guess what else they don't get, Autism, auto-immune disease.

[Origen]

No, no, rob, that's too easy. Resist the low-hanging fruit

[Elizondo]

Some cringe coffee shop atheism posts the last few pages

[Origen]

I'm a person who believes and I'll take an ethical atheist over a hateful Christian, any day

https://transhealthproject.org/

[Botten]

I'm not doom and gloom. Just concerned with trends.

Speaking of the Amish, they don't get vaccinated. Guess what else they don't get, Autism, auto-immune disease.

This is why I feel bad for the misinformation fed by right consulting echo chambers.
“This concept gained traction in 2005, when reporter Dan Olmstead conducted a a non-scientific survey in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania (which boasts one of the largest populations of Amish people) to find cases of autism. Controversially, he claimed he could find only three.”


But, a majority of them do vaccinate to some degree.

Furthermore, researchers have documented many cases of autism amongst the Amish populations. Researchers from the University of Miami and Vanderbilt University interviewed 1,899 Amish children from two prominent Amish communities in Holmes County, Ohio and Elkhart-Lagrange County, Indiana.

Additionally, there is an actual clinic (The Clinic for Special Children) devoted to researching developmental diseases in Amish children and this clinic (among many other things) actively researches the occurrence of autism in Amish (and Mennonite) communities. This center is located in Lancaster, PA - the same place that Dan Olmstead searched for cases of Autism in 2005.

[aussenseiter]

I'm a person who believes and I'll take an ethical atheist over a hateful Christian, any day

https://transhealthproject.org/

What are you wearing? 🐺🐑👕👖

[Origen]

I don't get that question, but I'll answer it. Black khakis, a red polo shirt, and glasses. The glasses are a recent change.

To further change the subject to something less argumentative, Indiana Jones Dial of Destiny was okay. Better than Crystal Skull but still worse than any of the original trio. The digital de-aging still looks janky, especially on their hair line. I also don't remember his hat being plot-glued to his head.

[Rager and Quitter]

Due to the fact that I am not a hyper-arrogant reactionary, I defer to experts when it comes to medical issues. Sorry you can't wrap ypur head around that.

Tell me why, using evidence, that I should believe you over these organizations:

American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry
American Academy of Dermatology
American Academy of Family Physicians
American Academy of Nursing
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Academy of Physician Assistants
American College Health Association
American College of Nurse-Midwives
American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists
American College of Physicians
American Counseling Association
American Heart Association
American Medical Association
American Medical Student Association
American Nurses Association
American Osteopathic Association
American Psychiatric Association
American Psychological Association
American Public Health Association
American Society of Plastic Surgeons
Endocrine Society
Federation of Pediatric Organizations
GLMA: Health Professionals Advancing LGBTQ Equality
National Association of Nurse Practitioners in Women's Health
National Association of Social Workers
National Commission on Correctional Health Care
Pediatric Endocrine Society
Society for Adolescent Health and Medicine
World Medical Association
World Professional Association for Transgender Health

I'd love to hear what the nurse mid-wives or medical students or the correctional health care system thinks, lol!

If you listen to actual professionals, those professional medical societies are rife with political pressures and leanings. Dr Miriam Grossman has lots of videos (one of which I linked, but you didn't watch because boo boo it was YouTube). There are a lot of very dedicated clinical and psychiatric professionals absolutely opposes to this social experiment on children. You'll never look it up, but I won't waste my thumb strength plucking out all of the points that she and many others make. You simply don't give a shit what happens to perfectly healthy children swept up in ideological confusion as long as their *not totally fucking insane* parents and infallible physicians who don't care at all about the insane amount of money they and hospitals make on expensive surgeries, are calling the shots. I say we don't experiment on them and wait until these therapies and treatments have long-term studies to make sure we aren't fucking a massive group of the next generation who probably just needed psychotherapy and time to develop.

[Origen]

Sorry, not reading a post that long

[Rager and Quitter]

That's okay, I'm mostly just trying to get my post count up anyway. Planar Protector, here I come!

[Rager and Quitter]

Lol, it says Aviak now and my profile pick is H.B. Awesome!

[Homesteaded]

The gist of the video I shared is basically these kids who experience gender confusion are all but gone if left alone and given therapy end up much better off.

[Origen]

Yeah, I googled that person since they actually are a doctor and that position is not at all the majority. Thank you for actually providing something that resembles testimony from a professional.

I think you're drawing a conclusion and then seeking out evidence that supports it, but that's human nature.

[Lune]

The gist of the video I shared is basically these kids who experience gender confusion are all but gone if left alone and given therapy end up much better off.

Creepy as fuck that you people are this obsessed with child and adolescent sexual health. It's between them and their doctors, just like abortion is in civilized states.

[Homesteaded]

Creepy as fuck that you people are this obsessed with child and adolescent health. It's between them and their doctors.

Fixed.

Also, sorry you can’t kill babies anymore.

What’s really creepy is people who want to sexualize and kill kids.

[Origen]

You know who kills kids all the time? God

[Lune]

Fixed.

Also, sorry you can’t kill babies anymore.

What’s really creepy is people who want to sexualize and kill kids.

My wife actually can kill all the fetuses she wants because we live in a civilized state. (or at least we will again in 2 days)

You however better hope your wife doesn't end up with an ectopic pregnancy. Oh wait nm I forgot most of you are perfectly okay with abortion when it's your own wife or daughter, it's other peoples' abortions you are mainly against.

[Botten]

I'd love to hear what the nurse mid-wives or medical students or the correctional health care system thinks, lol!

If you listen to actual professionals, those professional medical societies are rife with political pressures and leanings. Dr Miriam Grossman has lots of videos (one of which I linked, but you didn't watch because boo boo it was YouTube). There are a lot of very dedicated clinical and psychiatric professionals absolutely opposes to this social experiment on children. You'll never look it up, but I won't waste my thumb strength plucking out all of the points that she and many others make. You simply don't give a shit what happens to perfectly healthy children swept up in ideological confusion as long as their *not totally fucking insane* parents and infallible physicians who don't care at all about the insane amount of money they and hospitals make on expensive surgeries, are calling the shots. I say we don't experiment on them and wait until these therapies and treatments have long-term studies to make sure we aren't fucking a massive group of the next generation who probably just needed psychotherapy and time to develop.

-Hormone blockers have been around since the early 80 & since the 60 for the surgery
-Minor don't get sex change surgery in America
-Teen girls were receiving breast implants due to self esteem. No one cared
-Gender Dysphoria has been treat for a while now.
-Parents, child, child's doctor and psychologist provide a more educated decision compared these right voters with a problem
-Gender care is needed for the right to work on some Ambiguous Genitalia situations at birth.

Finally, with the history of the medication & surgery, Rules, past procedures, specialist and need for care why are the right voters all stirred up after all this time?

Some right politician saw that the conservative party running into 2024 is unmotivated. The political parties base are Christians. Time to re-energize the party by claim something outlandish and never before thing is now occurring - get out there and vote to stop the evil democrats.

It is so sad. Consulting Echo Chamber alt right entertainers pass on the message to the sheep for money while grifting their sheep-like audience further.

[Homesteaded]

Nope you’re wrong. Wife’s life endanger? Go ahead.

Rape, up to the mother but I think adoption is a better option for the wife and the kid(obviously living is better than death).

[Lune]

By the way I have nothing against religion in general, except American evangelicals, which have become one big, hateful death cult

Nope you’re wrong. Wife’s life endanger? Go ahead.

Rape, up to the mother but I think adoption is a better option for the wife and the kid(obviously living is better than death).

Wow Roe getting overturned must have really pissed you off then, I bet you're out there canvassing for Biden. Also you guys totally cared about life when it came time to wear masks to protect the elderly and immunocompromised.

[Origen]

I wish we could just do a national referendum where only women vote on the issue of abortion, but that would resemble actual democracy so I am sure the right would never allow it

[Origen]

I'll just post this again because it's great.

The "unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn. - Pastor David Barnhart

[Homesteaded]

Lefties spiraling into even deeper levels of sickness.

Proud that they can kill babies.

Claiming altering the hormone levels of growing children is safe and has no negative outcomes. Truly lunacy. Common sense.

[Lune]

Lefties spiraling into even deeper levels of sickness.

Proud that they can kill babies.

Claiming altering the hormone levels of growing children is safe and has no negative outcomes. Truly lunacy. Common sense.

Yea nobody said they were proud of killing babies. However I am proud of the right to kill unborn fetuses, typically small clumps of cells, to save my wife's life. People in red states don't have that right anymore.

Only a matter of time until we have Underground Railroad 2.0 and Fugitive Abortion Act when your wife with an ectopic pregnancy tries to book it North.

[Ooloo]

Again they never explain why it's okay to kill babies, it's always some whining about religious people and hypocrisy.

I'm an atheist and I find it pretty wrong to kill a totally healthy baby and throw it in the garbage.

You can make all the exceptions you want for rape, incest, threat to the life of the mother, and they still refuse to budge on the other 99% of abortions that are totally elective. Those babies just need to die, for equality or something.

[Ooloo]

Yea nobody said they were proud of killing babies. However I am proud of the right to kill unborn fetuses, typically small clumps of cells, to save my wife's life. People in red states don't have that right anymore.

Only a matter of time until we have Underground Railroad 2.0 and Fugitive Abortion Act when your wife with an ectopic pregnancy tries to book it North.

What are you talking about? No red state has outlawed abortion. They've put restrictions on it, typically around 12 weeks (end of first trimester). That's hardly a "clump of cells".

Treating ectopic pregnancies is not an abortion, stop muddying the waters. I know you're not that dumb.

[Origen]

Lol, whines about "muddying the waters", refers to abortion as "throwing babies in the trash"

No self-awareness for this angry little fascist, I guess

[Ooloo]

I wish we could just do a national referendum where only women vote on the issue of abortion, but that would resemble actual democracy so I am sure the right would never allow it

More women are pro-life than men so uhh I don't think you really want that.

And yes, abortions literally consist of killing a human baby and throwing it in the garbage. Where do you think they go?

[cd288]

What are you talking about? No red state has outlawed abortion. They've put restrictions on it, typically around 12 weeks (end of first trimester). That's hardly a "clump of cells".

Treating ectopic pregnancies is not an abortion, stop muddying the waters. I know you're not that dumb.

To be fair, the problem is that in many cases the restrictions are purposefully timed to make it unlikely that the woman even knows she's pregnant. I think it's something like 10-15 states (somewhere in that range) have abortion bans past 6 weeks. You might as well just fully ban abortion at that point...you're not really arguing in good faith here.

[Origen]

Out of all the things I will engage a conservative on, knowing how women work isn't one of them

Like getting sex advice from a virgin

[cd288]

Again they never explain why it's okay to kill babies, it's always some whining about religious people and hypocrisy.

I'm an atheist and I find it pretty wrong to kill a totally healthy baby and throw it in the garbage.

You can make all the exceptions you want for rape, incest, threat to the life of the mother, and they still refuse to budge on the other 99% of abortions that are totally elective. Those babies just need to die, for equality or something.

Ironically everyone is so focused on abortion, but once the baby is born no one seems to want to fund necessary reforms that would actually help the child's life.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

I believe because I have experienced it. The teachings match what I’ve witnessed working in the real world. Non-Christians love to believe only low IQ people could possibly believe.

Slow down Speedy McSpeedface!

"I believe because I have experienced it."

What? What did you experience? An experience is some kind of reportable event, like say I describe my "experience of being thirsty."

You say you believe because you experience it. Naturally you have to say this, because observe, experience always has some kind of object.

Proof. Go up to someone on the street. Say, "I'm having an experience!" If you are still gtg, they will ask "An experience of what?" If you say, "What do you mean? Just experience, experience doesn't have to be about anything," you will get the cold shoulder.

So, what is it?

[Ooloo]

Ironically everyone is so focused on abortion, but once the baby is born no one seems to want to fund necessary reforms that would actually help the child's life.

Yes we've all heard that stupid george carlin routine. Being alive and struggling is still better than being killed without any say in the matter. Lots of people born into terrible circumstances end up doing amazing things in the world. And again, tons of people want to adopt kids. If you don't wanna take care of it, fine, give it to somebody who does instead of killing it. Maybe he or she will invent the cure for cancer some day, who knows?

And how do you know abortion restrictions are "purposely timed" so that women don't know they're pregnant? It could be the case (and is) that they're giving you a window in which to just take a god damn pregnancy test and you can still kill your baby, as long as it's before 12 weeks or whatever the particular window is. I haven't heard of any 6 week abortion bans btw.

And yes I am arguing in good faith. How am I not? Please tell me the "good faith" argument against abortion so I understand.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

I shall help you out. Human consciousness, St. Augustine argued, is in the image of God. Therefore it has a three-fold structure.

Experience (or consciousness) exists within and part of a creation, whose object is ultimately the adoration of God. The adoration can occur through any of the senses, for example, as we enjoy the creation.

The self and its capacity to experience and be with the creation is the Father-Son part of the triad. "The self is made flesh and becomes flesh and is flesh." And the world crucifies you for it.

There remains the third "person" of the human being. Self, Other, and Time. We think of the world, of ourselves, of God, through the lag and memories of a time-based creation. Spirit-like, we are always haunted by time.

Now, that's Augustine. De Trinitate is the name of the book. I've read it.

And I remember it.

I am haunted by waters.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

I mean, should I be the God guy? I can do lots of diff moves. You want standard Anglicized American protestantism, hell, I can do that without even lookin' up the verse!

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

You want serious Catholic? Life is a seamless garment, my friends.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

No. No, I think...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeZlih4DDNg
CeZlih4DDNg

[cd288]

Yes we've all heard that stupid george carlin routine. Being alive and struggling is still better than being killed without any say in the matter. Lots of people born into terrible circumstances end up doing amazing things in the world. And again, tons of people want to adopt kids. If you don't wanna take care of it, fine, give it to somebody who does instead of killing it. Maybe he or she will invent the cure for cancer some day, who knows?

And how do you know abortion restrictions are "purposely timed" so that women don't know they're pregnant? It could be the case (and is) that they're giving you a window in which to just take a god damn pregnancy test and you can still kill your baby, as long as it's before 12 weeks or whatever the particular window is. I haven't heard of any 6 week abortion bans btw.

And yes I am arguing in good faith. How am I not? Please tell me the "good faith" argument against abortion so I understand.

It's not a stupid argument though. If we're so concerned about the well being of an unborn child that we want to ban abortion, then we should follow through with appropriate social measures/funding to ensure that child can have the best life it possibly can. It rings false and disingenuous when we want to wash our hands of any responsibility to help the children once they're actually born, and it basically just makes the whole sanctity of life argument not a good faith argument.

As for the 6 week bills, they were drafted that way because it would be much easier to challenge an outright 100% ban on abortion in the courts. Things like irregular periods, etc. can make someone totally unaware they are pregnant at 6 weeks and therefore in practice you essentially have an outright ban on abortion without actually having to legislate a complete ban. I will give them credit, it's definitely a smart legal strategy. I'm also not sure how you haven't heard of them...like nearly a third of the states in the US have enacted them over the past few years.

What really gets me is the people who also want to ban any sort of contraceptives or birth control...like okay let's put out there that there's a hypothetical ban on abortion because all the people like you are like "well, don't fuck around and get pregnant accidentally and then want to kill your baby"....but then those same people also want to make it impossible to prevent unwanted pregnancies in the first place. The illogic.

[aussenseiter]

Ironically everyone is so focused on abortion, but once the baby is born no one seems to want to fund necessary reforms that would actually help the child's life.

Give me Communism or give the child death!

[cd288]

Give me Communism or give the child death!

I mean, that's not really what communism is but okay lol

[aussenseiter]

What are you talking about? No red state has outlawed abortion. They've put restrictions on it, typically around 12 weeks (end of first trimester). That's hardly a "clump of cells".

Treating ectopic pregnancies is not an abortion, stop muddying the waters. I know you're not that dumb.

It's always technicalities justifying the whole thing. Like physically intersex people for the trans thing.

[Elizondo]

Typical Betas trying to argue for the genital mutilation of little boys and claim it's "healthcare"

[Origen]

Forums incel calls married men 'betas', news at eleven

[aussenseiter]

What really gets me is the people who also want to ban any sort of contraceptives or birth control...like okay let's put out there that there's a hypothetical ban on abortion because all the people like you are like "well, don't fuck around and get pregnant accidentally and then want to kill your baby"....but then those same people also want to make it impossible to prevent unwanted pregnancies in the first place. The illogic.

Unenumerated rights is the beef. They're mad about new positive rights being created under substantive due process. (The Burger Court made up a lot of nonsense).

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Eisenhauer said the Constitution is what the Supreme Court sys it is, and that is the function of the Supreme Court, so the "nonsense" of any given court has to take into account, it's now the law. And that's nonsense then in a purely abstract sense.

[aussenseiter]

Eisenhauer said the Constitution is what the Supreme Court sys it is, and that is the function of the Supreme Court, so the "nonsense" of any given court has to take into account, it's now the law. And that's nonsense then in a purely abstract sense.

Quoth the raven, "Forevermore". (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plessy_v._Ferguson)

[Rager and Quitter]

Elective abortion, especially late term is among the most brutish, abhorrent part of a civilized society, and I wish those that engage in it the most exquisite form of anguish and pain.

That being said, I support the freedom and right of women to choose abortion, but I find those that do it for a non-medical necessity to be the lowest scum of our modern society.

[aussenseiter]

Vagrant rights heading to SCOTUS? (https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-07-06/in-scathing-dissents-9th-circuit-conservatives-say-homelessness-is-paralyzing-u-s-west)

[unsunghero]

Elective abortion, especially late term is among the most brutish, abhorrent part of a civilized society, and I wish those that engage in it the most exquisite form of anguish and pain.

That being said, I support the freedom and right of women to choose abortion, but I find those that do it for a non-medical necessity to be the lowest scum of our modern society.

Don’t like the gender or stats or timing just re-roll

[Homesteaded]

Slow down Speedy McSpeedface!

"I believe because I have experienced it."

What? What did you experience? An experience is some kind of reportable event, like say I describe my "experience of being thirsty."

You say you believe because you experience it. Naturally you have to say this, because observe, experience always has some kind of object.

Proof. Go up to someone on the street. Say, "I'm having an experience!" If you are still gtg, they will ask "An experience of what?" If you say, "What do you mean? Just experience, experience doesn't have to be about anything," you will get the cold shoulder.

So, what is it?

The Will of God

[Botten]

The Will of God

You maybe mistaking a coping method for a wake up call.

Without addressing the issue with direct psychological help leaves room for relapse.

[Homesteaded]

You maybe mistaking a coping method for a wake up call.

Without addressing the issue with direct psychological help leaves room for relapse.

Science cannot answer all the questions of the Universe.

[Homesteaded]

You maybe mistaking a coping method for a wake up call.

Without addressing the issue with direct psychological help leaves room for relapse.

But for real, the experience I've had is hard to explain. A feeling of "flow" being in tune with the Universe. Being where I belong, doing what I should be. You've never felt this? The feeling that "all is right".

[Ooloo]

It's not a stupid argument though. If we're so concerned about the well being of an unborn child that we want to ban abortion, then we should follow through with appropriate social measures/funding to ensure that child can have the best life it possibly can. It rings false and disingenuous when we want to wash our hands of any responsibility to help the children once they're actually born, and it basically just makes the whole sanctity of life argument not a good faith argument.

As for the 6 week bills, they were drafted that way because it would be much easier to challenge an outright 100% ban on abortion in the courts. Things like irregular periods, etc. can make someone totally unaware they are pregnant at 6 weeks and therefore in practice you essentially have an outright ban on abortion without actually having to legislate a complete ban. I will give them credit, it's definitely a smart legal strategy. I'm also not sure how you haven't heard of them...like nearly a third of the states in the US have enacted them over the past few years.

What really gets me is the people who also want to ban any sort of contraceptives or birth control...like okay let's put out there that there's a hypothetical ban on abortion because all the people like you are like "well, don't fuck around and get pregnant accidentally and then want to kill your baby"....but then those same people also want to make it impossible to prevent unwanted pregnancies in the first place. The illogic.

I'm sorry but it is a complete non-sequitur to say that since not every child is born into ideal circumstances they should instead be killed, which is essentially what you're saying.

Show me your plan to improve the lives of children born into poverty, cause I'll probably agree with it. But I won't agree that if we can't enact that plan we should kill the kids out of some sense of mercy, because that's insane.

I completely agree with you that bans on contraception are idiotic btw. I'm not a religious person and I think people should be able to bang as much as they like. But they should also understand that pregnancy is always a possibility, and abortion is not birth control.

[Origen]

But for real, the experience I've had is hard to explain. A feeling of "flow" being in tune with the Universe. Being where I belong, doing what I should be. You've never felt this? The feeling that "all is right".That moment when a forums user admits to being a Sith Lord

[Trexller]

That moment when a forums user admits to being a Sith Lord

speaking of which, hows the new job?

[Trexller]

it doesn't matter how badly we fuck the world up, it's already over

brQLpTnDwyg

[aussenseiter]

I mean, that's not really what communism is but okay lol

I thought fire departments were Communism?

[Origen]

I thought fire departments were Communism?https://www.firerescue1.com/fire-department-management/articles/institutional-racism-in-the-fire-service-we-must-admit-that-it-exists-in-our-house-cV2Tmq26ufggM89Z/

As an agency and industry that operates under paramilitary rules and regulations, and often grouped with law enforcement as “first responders,” fire departments and individual firefighters have a unique perspective on law enforcement. We have a front row seat to their operations, they are our friends and allies, but we are often seen differently – we are seen as the kind and well-respected arm of the emergency services.

What if I told you that institutional racism was just as prevalent within the fire service in this nation as it is within law enforcement? That sentence makes me sick to write. It’s taken me a week of watching protests and reading countless articles and social media posts to get there. I’ve tried to pretend this wasn’t the reality, but that doesn’t do anybody any good.

[Rager and Quitter]

https://www.firerescue1.com/fire-department-management/articles/institutional-racism-in-the-fire-service-we-must-admit-that-it-exists-in-our-house-cV2Tmq26ufggM89Z/

Maybe we should stop sending white, racist, fascist, nazi fire fighters into minority communities and empower individuals from those communities to provide their own fire fighters and other first responders, that way they won't be dependent on evil whites to help them when their communities are in need.

[Origen]

I figured that would trigger at least one reactionary

[Rager and Quitter]

I mean, lots of black students are various universities were calling for segregated graduation ceremonies, which I personally think is really fucked up, but I just have an outdated outlook on people not segregating, which I know I'm wrong for thinking so.

[Ooloo]

Lol woke fire fighting

BTW how will we know when racism is gone? How is it being measured?

[Ooloo]

I mean, lots of black students are various universities were calling for segregated graduation ceremonies, which I personally think is really fucked up, but I just have an outdated outlook on people not segregating, which I know I'm wrong for thinking so.

No see martin luther king was wrong when he said people should be judged by the content of their character and not the color of their skin.

To be anti-racist you have to obsess over race and rank the various races in a hierarchy based on how many oppression points they have.

You might be thinking to yourself "well that sounds retarded", and you'd be right, but people just really super duper want to be racist while saying they don't like racism. It's clown world.

[Origen]

Lol woke fire fighting

BTW how will we know when racism is gone? How is it being measured?How do you measure freedom? How do you declare yourself victorious in the war against drugs? When will we know we're drone striked the very last terrorist on Earth?

[Ooloo]

How do you measure freedom? How do you declare yourself victorious in the war against drugs? When will we know we're drone striked the very last terrorist on Earth?

Ah, so the goal is just to minimize it as much as possible, but not totally eliminate it.

In that case, it's good the supreme court said you can't be racist to whites and asians anymore right? That's progress, no?

[Origen]

I mean, lots of black students are various universities were calling for segregated graduation ceremonies, which I personally think is really fucked up, but I just have an outdated outlook on people not segregating, which I know I'm wrong for thinking so.Spend enough time on the left here in ATL and you meet lots of black leftists that might support this. Clarence Thomas agrees, but he does his activism specifically on behalf of the right-wing capitalists.

I'm white so I don't see it as my place to judge those who want nothing to do with whitey. I work with the leftists that are willing to work with me. If you are savvy you learn when to speak and when to listen.

[unsunghero]

I mean, lots of black students are various universities were calling for segregated graduation ceremonies, which I personally think is really fucked up, but I just have an outdated outlook on people not segregating, which I know I'm wrong for thinking so.

It’s super special when they graduate because they had literally everything except their own culture working against them to do so

This is how leftists think

[Botten]

No see martin luther king was wrong when he said people should be judged by the content of their character and not the color of their skin.

To be anti-racist you have to obsess over race and rank the various races in a hierarchy based on how many oppression points they have.

You might be thinking to yourself "well that sounds retarded", and you'd be right, but people just really super duper want to be racist while saying they don't like racism. It's clown world.

Fire and police already use local services when dealing with a neighbor.

The fact you wish to make it a race concerning issue is cliche; perhaps echoing a far right entertainer on a podcast again? Sad

[unsunghero]

I'm white so I don't see it as my place to judge those who want nothing to do with whitey.

Yea prejudice is fine when they do it IMO

[Ooloo]

Oh right btw I forgot one of the key aspects of the totally-not-racist woke leftist racial hierarchy: all your oppression points go out the window if you're a black conservative.

[unsunghero]

Black people say they don’t want to stand with whites because of pride or prejudice or some combination of other factors, society cheers

Dilbert cartoon creator recommends white people not stand with blacks after reading a survey where the majority of black responders voted that it’s not ok to be white, dude gets his life ruined

[Landroval]

Oh right btw I forgot one of the key aspects of the totally-not-racist woke leftist racial hierarchy: all your oppression points go out the window if you're a black conservative.

They're more like gift certificates from the DNC, redeemable at any participating social institution.

[Origen]

My gosh you fellas are easy to manipulate. No wonder you're conservatives.

[unsunghero]

They're more like gift certificates from the DNC

Poor dumb Uncle Tom’s voting for their own slavery, but still the enemy

Despised by 90% of your own race = king of the marginalized I would say

[Origen]

Fire and police already use local services when dealing with a neighbor.

The fact you wish to make it a race concerning issue is cliche; perhaps echoing a far right entertainer on a podcast again? SadNo, see, institutional racism does not exist when its nonexistence benefits the argument of an Ooloo type.

It does exist when its existence benefits the argument.

Like subatomic particles, popping in and out of existence depending on the perception of the observer. Racism particles.

[Landroval]

No, see, institutional racism does not exist when its nonexistence benefits the argument of an Ooloo type.

It does exist when its existence benefits the argument.

Like subatomic particles, popping in and out of existence depending on the perception of the observer. Racism particles.

The double-parent experiment

[Origen]

In before Homesteaded drops by to post "Culture, Culture, Culture" because that's not racism but pointing out racism is itself racism, according to the extremely online reactionaries ;)

My skill at understanding at the reactionary mind has increased

[Ooloo]

No, see, institutional racism does not exist when its nonexistence benefits the argument of an Ooloo type.

It does exist when its existence benefits the argument.

Like subatomic particles, popping in and out of existence depending on the perception of the observer. Racism particles.

Haha still waiting for your answer on whether the supreme court ruling you can't be racist to whites and asians anymore is good or bad? That's less racism, right? Or is that the good kind? I get all mixed up!

I have a brilliant idea, let's fight racism by being super racist. This is a super good and coherent idea.

[Origen]

I thought you didn't like appeals to authority. Are we not pretending this is debate club when it suits us this morning?

[Landroval]

In before Homesteaded drops by to post "Culture, Culture, Culture" because that's not racism but pointing out racism is itself racism, according to the extremely online reactionaries ;)

My skill at understanding at the reactionary mind has increased
I'm not gonna argue "culture", when evolutionary polyginy holds more explanatory power.

[Ooloo]

I remember watching the show ghostwriter in the early 90s. It was about a group of kids who solve mysteries. It had a super diverse cast; there was a white kid, a black kid, an asian girl, a hispanic brother and sister etc.. And in three seasons there wasn't a *single* storyline that involved race or racism in any way. They were all just friends and it was no big deal. And it took place in nyc, and it was on PBS. It's hard to believe that show ever existed, but it did. We were pretty based in the 90s.

[Ooloo]

I thought you didn't like appeals to authority. Are we not pretending this is debate club when it suits us this morning?

Keep on dodging the question bud.

[Origen]

I'm not gonna argue "culture", when evolutionary polyginy holds more explanatory power.Don't worry, it was just a substitute argument because he's aware of what actually gets people banned around here. Only a few of them are dumb enough to say what they actually think.

I don't know what polyginy is and, no, I won't look it up.

[Origen]

Keep on dodging the question bud.I learned from the best.

[unsunghero]

Don't worry, it was just a substitute argument because he's aware of what actually gets people banned around here. Only a few of them are dumb enough to say what they actually think.

I don't know what polyginy is and, no, I won't look it up.

It’s not a word to my knowledge, polygamy is having more than 1 wife, but this still seems like a cultural thing to me

I don’t think single parent households helps any kid’s chances when compared to two parents, but I also wouldn’t offer it as the sole reason some communities can’t get their kids into college. And having multiple spouses (polygamy) seems like a recipe for drama

[Landroval]

Polyginy is a social structure in which the mother's band together to raise the offspring in the absence of a "father" role. It's the predominant social structure of subsaharan Africa, and the government-sponsored preference for America's future(for non-elites). Its makes for good compulsive consumers with low, if any, impulse control

[aussenseiter]

It’s not a word to my knowledge, polygamy is having more than 1 wife, but this still seems like a cultural thing to me

I don’t think single parent households helps any kid’s chances when compared to two parents, but I also wouldn’t offer it as the sole reason some communities can’t get their kids into college. And having multiple spouses (polygamy) seems like a recipe for drama

Polygyny. Multiple gynies.

[Landroval]

It's evolutionarily advantageous in tribal societies where the men are sent to war and conquest without ill effect to organizational superstructure caused by death, etc

[Botten]

ItÂ’s super special when they graduate because they had literally everything except their own culture working against them to do so

This is how leftists think

Conservative news outlets have taken aim at the celebrations in recent weeks, in much the same way they have targeted identity-based housing in recent years. Campus Reform, a right-wing online publication group has push this agenda using Fox News and The Daily Mail.

It is important to note that these separate celebrations are nothing new and have been rooted in culture concerns in the past. For example California State University, Northridge, has been providing Black graduation celebration since 1972.

“Segregated graduation ceremonies exemplify how leftist ideas such as Critical Race Theory or Queer Theory construct artificial binaries to divide students into ‘us’ and ‘them,’” Campus Reform editor in chief Zachary Marschall.

But the real focus of the attack has been the reoccurring theme to excite the core values of the conservative voter base after the dwindling confidence resulting from the presidential election. A student dressing differently from their gender during college and university graduating ceremonies more over seems to be the outrage.

As these attacks get more vicious in nature some institutions have also increased the number of affinity graduations they offer, in many cases adding special ceremonies for LGBTQ+ students (often referred to as a lavender graduation).

Having separate celebrations for black communities has never been an issue for most attending conservative party members attending their child's graduation. But as the agenda pushes forward eliminating LGBTQ+ is the emphasis on this conservative political crusade.


... AKA conservative politicians need GOP voters to get organized and motivated push this issue it is an affront to the traditional Christian values.
This is sad since the consulting echo chamber by right entertainers are getting paid to push this filth and then while they are at it to make some grifting cash on the side by selling some phone plans. I can't believe people like Baler fall for this.

[Landroval]

Polygyny. Multiple gynies.

Good dog. Dog knows

[unsunghero]

It's evolutionarily advantageous in tribal societies where the men are sent to war and conquest without ill effect to organizational superstructure caused by death, etc

Interesting, but I highly doubt black communities are harkening back to their ancient cultures with their high rates of single parent households

It’s more a fun, convenience thing for the men, and a monetary (married = less gov’t benefits) thing for the women

To me anyway, if I had to argue why it’s done. It’s undeniably harder on the single female parent of multiple kids, so if there wasn’t a monetary benefit, it would be harder for others to justify doing it

[unsunghero]

Conservative news outlets have taken aim at the celebrations in recent weeks, in much the same way they have targeted identity-based housing in recent years. Campus Reform, a right-wing online publication group has push this agenda using Fox News and The Daily Mail.

It is important to note that these separate celebrations are nothing new and have been rooted in culture concerns in the past. For example California State University, Northridge, has been providing Black graduation celebration since 1972.

“Segregated graduation ceremonies exemplify how leftist ideas such as Critical Race Theory or Queer Theory construct artificial binaries to divide students into ‘us’ and ‘them,’” Campus Reform editor in chief Zachary Marschall.

But the real focus of the attack has been the reoccurring theme to excite the core values of the conservative voter base after the dwindling confidence resulting from the presidential election. A student dressing differently from their gender during college and university graduating ceremonies more over seems to be the outrage.

As these attack get more vicious in nature some institutions have also increased the number of affinity graduations they offer, in many cases adding special ceremonies for LGBTQ+ students (often referred to as a lavender graduation).

Having separate celebrations for black communities has never been an issue for most attending conservative party members attending their child's graduation. But as the agenda pushes forward eliminating LGBTQ+ is the emphasis on this conservative political crusade.


... AKA conservative politicians need GOP voters to get organized and motivated push this issue it is an affront to the traditional Christian values.
This is sad since the consulting echo chamber by right entertainers are getting paid to push this filth and then while they are at it to make some grifting cash on the side by selling some phone plans. I can't believe people like Baler fall for this.

I don’t care if colleges want to bring segregation back, personally I think most of society even independents see it as a bad look for them

Don’t see what Christianity has to do with it. “Then Moses said “thou shalt not separate thy races”

[Landroval]

It's counterpart; familial banding, primarily arose out of northern cultures, with geographic displacement from polygynial epicenters, which is why the further you get from Africa, historically, the higher prominence nuclear family has, which primarily originates with Abrahamic/Brahmic cultures. Asia, being the furthest geographically situated locus within the old world, places a considerable emphasis on filial piety, subsequently

[aussenseiter]

Good dog. Dog knows

Polyandry in the West. 🤭

[unsunghero]

It's counterpart; familial banding, primarily arose out of northern cultures, with geographic displacement from polygynial epicenters, which is why the further you get from Africa, historically, the higher prominence nuclear family has, which primarily originates with Abrahamic/Brahmic cultures. Asia, being the furthest geographically situated locus within the old world, places a considerable emphasis on filial piety, subsequently

Doesn’t explain why black families in America up until a particular point of time in history had much better rates of married nuclear households though. I’m just unfamiliar with when this shifted to the 70%+ single parent that now exists

[Landroval]

Contrary to polygynial superstructures, which emphasizes K-selection, filial superstructures are more skewed towards R-selection and favor wealth-conservation with said societies having legal measures in place for conserving the concept of heirs and inheritances

[Origen]

I don't have any issues with polygamy as long as everyone is a consenting adult. I was raised in a fairly boring nuclear family myself, which has since shattered and scattered.

I'm always skeptical when I see anyone claiming that this or that structure of a family is "right" or "wrong", we've all heard that phrase "It takes a village to raise a child" for a reason, despite the fact that most of us probably were not raised in something at the scale of a village.

Marxists argue that the nuclear family performs ideological functions for Capitalism – the family acts as a unit of consumption and teaches passive acceptance of hierarchy. It is also the institution through which the wealthy pass down their private property to their children, thus reproducing class inequality.

[Landroval]

It's no secret the Left has been attacking the normalization of nuclear familiarity over the past several decades. They want a US culture of Poors with low impulse control to perpetuate economic growth. This is also why they don't really market to middle-aged white men, as it's not very lucrative to do so, except to market "status" and/or "survival" products, on occasion when they do. There's more money to be made in marketing to women, and homosexuals, and now, transgendered people who turn a decent profit for the pharmaceutical and medical industries.

[Origen]

If that was what we wanted, you'd think we'd get more support from the capitalists because I am pretty sure that's what we already have.

The average American has little savings and little hope of retirement.

[Botten]

Conservative news outlets have taken aim at the celebrations in recent weeks, in much the same way they have targeted identity-based housing in recent years. Campus Reform, a right-wing online publication group has push this agenda using Fox News and The Daily Mail.

It is important to note that these separate celebrations are nothing new and have been rooted in culture concerns in the past. For example California State University, Northridge, has been providing Black graduation celebration since 1972.

“Segregated graduation ceremonies exemplify how leftist ideas such as Critical Race Theory or Queer Theory construct artificial binaries to divide students into ‘us’ and ‘them,’” Campus Reform editor in chief Zachary Marschall.

But the real focus of the attack has been the reoccurring theme to excite the core values of the conservative voter base after the dwindling confidence resulting from the presidential election. A student dressing differently from their gender during college and university graduating ceremonies more over seems to be the outrage.

As these attacks get more vicious in nature some institutions have also increased the number of affinity graduations they offer, in many cases adding special ceremonies for LGBTQ+ students (often referred to as a lavender graduation).

Having separate celebrations for black communities has never been an issue for most attending conservative party members attending their child's graduation. But as the agenda pushes forward eliminating LGBTQ+ is the emphasis on this conservative political crusade.


... AKA conservative politicians need GOP voters to get organized and motivated push this issue it is an affront to the traditional Christian values.
This is sad since the consulting echo chamber by right entertainers are getting paid to push this filth and then while they are at it to make some grifting cash on the side by selling some phone plans. I can't believe people like Baler fall for this.

I don’t care if colleges want to bring segregation back, personally I think most of society even independents see it as a bad look for them

Don’t see what Christianity has to do with it. “Then Moses said “thou shalt not separate thy races”

When 82% of your voter base is Christian (https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/compare/christians/by/party-affiliation/) you better believe the GOP politicians are aiming at that flock of sheep.



.

[unsunghero]

I don't have any issues with polygamy as long as everyone is a consenting adult. I was raised in a fairly boring nuclear family myself, which has since shattered and scattered.

I'm always skeptical when I see anyone claiming that this or that structure of a family is "right" or "wrong", we've all heard that phrase "It takes a village to raise a child" for a reason, despite the fact that most of us probably were not raised in something at the scale of a village.

If I had to rank the factors that help a child:

1. Values of the parent(s) that will be passed down to the child - most important, most helpful in life. A kid with lots of inherited money but a shitty value-system will still end up broke and alone eventually

2. Household income - usually better with 2 parents

3. Community/extended family - For a sense of belonging and productive/constructive socialization. This is where I personally see the “village” quote

[Landroval]

Doesn’t explain why black families in America up until a particular point of time in history had much better rates of married nuclear households though. I’m just unfamiliar with when this shifted to the 70%+ single parent that now exists

Actually it does. Under the thumb of the post-colonial West, nuclear familiarity amongst African American peoples was strongly encouraged due to the lack of opportunity for black women (and women in general)

[Landroval]

If that was what we wanted, you'd think we'd get more support from the capitalists because I am pretty sure that's what we already have.

The average American has little savings and little hope of retirement.

What is child support not being considered in the determination of eligibility toward government benefits for low-income families?

[Origen]

If I had to rank the factors that help a child:

1. Values of the parent(s) that will be passed down to the child - most important, most helpful in life. A kid with lots of inherited money but a shitty value-system will still end up broke and alone eventually

2. Household income - usually better with 2 parents

3. Community/extended family - For a sense of belonging and productive/constructive socialization. This is where I personally see the “village” quoteI'm half of a DINK. We recently inquired through our church about potentially hosting foster kids. We were ruled out instantly. You can probably guess why. It was depressing for a few weeks, but it's understandable.

What is child support not being considered in the determination of eligibility toward government benefits for low-income families?I do not understand this question.

[unsunghero]

I'm half of a DINK. We recently inquired through our church about potentially hosting foster kids. We were ruled out instantly. You can probably guess why. It was depressing for a few weeks, but it's understandable.

I can’t guess why tbh, but your willingness to do is very commendable and you may have dodged a bullet

I see the worst of the worst in my job, but I have the opinion that most foster families don’t know what they are getting themselves into, behavior-wise

Picture the worst possible behaviors you can imagine from a child, including assault and property damage, and be prepared for their possibility with a game plan ready

The amount of foster moms that call for help crying saying they are locked in a room from their young foster kid for their own safety is astounding

[Landroval]

One of my wife's best friends, a latina woman, married a Jewish man who works in bidding on large-scale commercial construction projects (who then sells the contracts to actual construction companies) got awarded 5,500$/month in child support for one, of her two children from different dads, and she lives in income-qualified section 8 housing, with food stamps and the whole rigamarole, and it's all on the up and up.

[Landroval]

If a woman in the US wants to be a loafer, her best chance of doing so, is to ensure her children are sired by multiple men, so as to maximize her residual tax-free non-income income. That is a government-sponsored legal framework conducive to polygynial structuralization

[unsunghero]

One of my wife's best friends, a latina woman, married a Jewish man who works in bidding on large-scale commercial construction projects (who then sells the contracts to actual construction companies) got awarded 5,500$/month in child support for one, of her two children from different dads, and she lives in income-qualified section 8 housing, with food stamps and the whole rigamarole, and it's all on the up and up.

Most of the poor black single parent mothers of multiple children I talk to in my job say they have never collected a cent of child support because the dad has no wages to garnish

/shrug just what I hear

[Landroval]

On the other side of it, with child support often being awarded at the maximal child support contribution of 55% of income, a man can "diversify" his child support obligations by siring his children with multiple women, so as to minimize his per-capita contribution toward each child's support. That, too, is supportive of a polygynial superstructure which is geared towards K-selection, as previously stated

[Rager and Quitter]

You can say whatever you want, but I grew up in inner-city schools in Texas with lots of minority kids, and there is most certainly a cultural difference between the white kids in their white families and the minority kids in their minority families.

Any culture that glorifies violence, crime, drug use, and sees prison time as a badge of honor will never succeed no matter how many policies or programs are put in place to nullify the absence of traditional values. They will always fail.

Maybe you think it's evil white racists huddling secretively around the corner from every earnest and good-hearted black person, but that sentiment will never change the deteriorating social structure in black homes. Too many people care about the dozen or so police officers that kill black men on usually justified reasons, but no one seems to give a shit about the hundreds of young black men killed by other young black men every single weekend across the nation. Somehow still whites are to blame when a young black man pulls the trigger.

[Landroval]

Most of the poor black single parent mothers of multiple children I talk to in my job say they have never collected a cent of child support because the dad has no wages to garnish

/shrug just what I hear

Perhaps they should be more hawkish in their selection of mates, yeah?

[unsunghero]

On the other side of it, with child support often being awarded at the maximal child support contribution of 55% of income, a man can "diversify" his child support obligations by siring his children with multiple women, so as to minimize his per-capita contribution toward each child's support. That, too, is supportive of a polygynial superstructure which is geared towards K-selection, as previously stated

Assuming the man has income, which most won’t in poor black communities

From talking to black single mothers, I would say 90% report having no child support due to dad either being off the map or unemployed. They do collect TANF and get big tax refunds I believe, I don’t know all the ins and outs of their income, but it’s usually barely or not enough to even keep a vehicle running and gassed up

Also, usually the kids have major behavior problems due to the parent being overwhelmed. But the caveat is this doesn’t have much to do with them being black because white parents in their position are often also overwhelmed. Sometimes they have actually mostly behaved kids and then 1 really really misbehaved, or other times if the parent is really bad all the kids are completely out of control

And the second caveat is I have survivorship bias or whatever due to only seeing the negative spectrum from kinda bad to holy shit this is bad

[unsunghero]

When it comes to foster parents, there’s usually two things working against them:

1. Kids were either usually abused, neglected, and/or substance exposed. Aside from extreme cases of fetal Alcohol syndrome, substance exposure en vitro is not as bad as people expect. Usually there’s no outward signs, but it can and will fuck a kid’s brain chemistry in subtle ways I can’t explain. So trauma and substance exposure will contribute to negative behaviors

2. To a lesser extent, stability: kids who are used to unstable lives sometimes reject stability and create chaos to either push people away, or because chaos is what’s comfortable. But compared to the problems from category 1 above, things like reactive attachment disorder are minor in terms of what negative behaviors they produce

[Origen]

We didn't get that far. I don't want to add unnecessary risk to our lives, but we all die someday, right?

Might still adopt a kid. Cancer fuckin' sucks bruh.

[Lune]

On the other side of it, with child support often being awarded at the maximal child support contribution of 55% of income, a man can "diversify" his child support obligations by siring his children with multiple women, so as to minimize his per-capita contribution toward each child's support. That, too, is supportive of a polygynial superstructure which is geared towards K-selection, as previously stated

Uhh, leaving litters of kids all over town sounds more like r selection to me, for both the man and the woman. Bunch of kids growing up in resource and parenting-poor homes

[Landroval]

Uhh, leaving litters of kids all over town sounds more like r selection to me, for both the man and the woman. Bunch of kids growing up in resource and parenting-poor homes

Seems I've flipped my Ks and Rs

[Rager and Quitter]

When it comes to foster parents, there’s usually two things working against them:

1. Kids were either usually abused, neglected, and/or substance exposed. Aside from extreme cases of fetal Alcohol syndrome, substance exposure en vitro is not as bad as people expect. Usually there’s no outward signs, but it can and will fuck a kid’s brain chemistry in subtle ways I can’t explain. So trauma and substance exposure will contribute to negative behaviors

2. To a lesser extent, stability: kids who are used to unstable lives sometimes reject stability and create chaos to either push people away, or because chaos is what’s comfortable. But compared to the problems from category 1 above, things like reactive attachment disorder are minor in terms of what negative behaviors they produce

My wife has always talked about adopting a kid, but I just can't get on board with it. I have known 4 different families adopting kids and they had nothing but problems. Now this is of course different than simply fostering kids, which has to be an even wilder ride, and I suppose adopting kids when they're infants is probably much better in the long run, but damn if you don't have to deal with the issues that are either baked into them or taught to them at an early age.

[Trexller]

Any culture that glorifies violence, crime, drug use, and sees prison time as a badge of honor will never succeed no matter how many policies or programs are put in place to nullify the absence of traditional values. They will always fail.

this explains why there are so many asians in US prisons

oh wait

[Botten]

Any culture that glorifies violence, crime, drug use, and sees prison time as a badge of honor will never succeed no matter how many policies or programs are put in place to nullify the absence of traditional values. They will always fail.


How is Australia a failure? They were even smart enough to limit guns.

Great place!

[Origen]

You get automatic tier 4 membership in the Proud Boys for doing any time.

[Botten]

You get automatic tier 4 membership in the Proud Boys for doing any time.

You have had some good zingers lately. Your Sith Lord reference was gold.

[Origen]

You have had some good zingers lately. Your Sith Lord reference was gold.Thanks, but that isn't even a joke. It was in their ridiculous manual.

Elliott allegedly bragged in text messages after the riot that his actions earned him a fourth-degree membership rank in the Proud Boys. The feds identified it as the highest rank of membership and quoted a recruiting manual that said it requires someone to engage “in a major conflict for the cause.” That manual notes that “serious physical fights also count,” they wrote.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2023/5/4/23711346/aurora-man-proud-boys-us-capitol-attack-jan-6

[Ooloo]

How is Australia a failure? They were even smart enough to limit guns.

Great place!

Yeah getting stabbed in the head or run over by a car is way better than being shot by a gun

[Ooloo]

You can say whatever you want, but I grew up in inner-city schools in Texas with lots of minority kids, and there is most certainly a cultural difference between the white kids in their white families and the minority kids in their minority families.

Any culture that glorifies violence, crime, drug use, and sees prison time as a badge of honor will never succeed no matter how many policies or programs are put in place to nullify the absence of traditional values. They will always fail.

Maybe you think it's evil white racists huddling secretively around the corner from every earnest and good-hearted black person, but that sentiment will never change the deteriorating social structure in black homes. Too many people care about the dozen or so police officers that kill black men on usually justified reasons, but no one seems to give a shit about the hundreds of young black men killed by other young black men every single weekend across the nation. Somehow still whites are to blame when a young black man pulls the trigger.

There's also a really unfortunate side effect of the "white people evil" narrative, which is that black kids who do good in school are often accused of "acting white" by their peers. Coleman Hughes talks about it all the time. For a lot of black kids there's active social pressure to not give a shit about school, even if they want to. I remember being that age and how much sway other people's opinions of me had. Again I lay most of the blame at the framing of mainstream media and institutions scaring the shit out of black youth and lying to them about the nature of life in america.

[Homesteaded]

My wife has always talked about adopting a kid, but I just can't get on board with it. I have known 4 different families adopting kids and they had nothing but problems. Now this is of course different than simply fostering kids, which has to be an even wilder ride, and I suppose adopting kids when they're infants is probably much better in the long run, but damn if you don't have to deal with the issues that are either baked into them or taught to them at an early age.

These sane and friendly folks believe these children would be better off dead in a trash can outside an abortion shop. This fact alone is never addressed. I’m sure they will say something about rape or incest, maybe even women’s rights. They quickly blow past the life and death thing onto some sophomoric discussion about any of the things mentioned above.

[Origen]

That doesn't seem very Christian. Your view on ethics is pretty immature.

[aussenseiter]

Yeah getting stabbed in the head or run over by a car is way better than being shot by a gun

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glassing

[unsunghero]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glassing

Instead of glass bottles give them plastic sippy cups. Less mess too

Since we can’t have dangerous things

[Botten]

Instead of glass bottles give them plastic sippy cups. Less mess too

Since we can’t have dangerous things

“Glassing is a relatively small portion of all alcohol-related violence, constituting 9% of injuries from alcohol-related violence in New South Wales, from 1999 to 2011, for instance.”

Pretty sure the US can pump more injuries and death with tall drink of AR15

Brilliant that some think knives and glass are better tool *roll eyes

[aussenseiter]

“Glassing is a relatively small portion of all alcohol-related violence, constituting 9% of injuries from alcohol-related violence in New South Wales, from 1999 to 2011, for instance.”

Pretty sure the US can pump more injuries and death with tall drink of AR15

Brilliant that some think knives and glass are better tool *roll eyes

Firearms were involved in about 4% of the alcohol-related violent incidents. (https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/ac.pdf)

[Botten]

Firearms were involved in about 4% of the alcohol-related violent incidents. (https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/ac.pdf)

26 years ago in what state? Meh w/e…

[Landroval]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glassing

Fr. I almost glassed a guy with a beer mug after I got sucker punched at a bar in Yucca Valley one time. I wouldn't have stabbed him with it, but it was a stein type glass, and the bartender assessed that it was about to be evidence, because the blow didn't really faze me and I gave the tell of looking down at my glass before I clubbed him with it and she grasped the mug, first, before closing distance in a side hug, and asking me to shrug it off.

[Ooloo]

“Glassing is a relatively small portion of all alcohol-related violence, constituting 9% of injuries from alcohol-related violence in New South Wales, from 1999 to 2011, for instance.”

Pretty sure the US can pump more injuries and death with tall drink of AR15

Brilliant that some think knives and glass are better tool *roll eyes

Way more people are killed by handguns than AR15s, but that's just a minor detail. Like I've mentioned a million times there are far more defensive uses of guns (of all types) every year than there are mass shootings. Those people who were saved by guns would be dead if there were no guns, so you're just swapping out one bodycount for a different one. When you factor that in, no guns = more dangerous society for any given generic individual.

[Landroval]

Anyhow, I would advise us all to observe the dog a little more closely. He's so stubborn, that, sometimes, when you're walking him, he just stops to smell a flower, or whatever, and you want to continue your walk because it's perfectly reasonable to continue walking because it optimizes the "time of the walk", but, more than often, the pause is an important one, in ways that we will never really understand.


Consider the off-trail walk with an unleashed dog, running ahead of you, pridefully returning with a token glympse of what lie on the trail ahead of you; "shall I not, run, on the trail we walk, together, man-Jesus-God, my very, best friend?"

[druidbob]

Way more people are killed by handguns than AR15s, but that's just a minor detail. Like I've mentioned a million times there are far more defensive uses of guns (of all types) every year than there are mass shootings. Those people who were saved by guns would be dead if there were no guns, so you're just swapping out one bodycount for a different one. When you factor that in, no guns = more dangerous society for any given generic individual.

Do you have a good source for statistics on guns used in self defense? Not contradicting you, I'm genuinely interested in seeing the data if it's available.

[unsunghero]

Do you have a good source for statistics on guns used in self defense? Not contradicting you, I'm genuinely interested in seeing the data if it's available.

It seems impossible to measure

Example, a true RL anecdote from a friend of the family. He used to work as a pizza delivery driver and was often in bad parts of town. So he always carried a handgun. He said one late night a group of disreputable guys were walking quickly down the sidewalk his way, and one of them was carrying a bat. None had any other baseball equipment. He said he waited until they got in eyesight of him in the street light and he pulled out his gun pointed down. He said the guys slowed down and switched crossing the street and continued on

Was he paranoid? Did having that gun prevent him from having his brains bashed in for his tip jar? Did he report possibly defending himself with a gun to the Defending Yourself With A Gun Official Federal Database? He did not

[Botten]

Way more people are killed by handguns than AR15s, but that's just a minor detail. Like I've mentioned a million times there are far more defensive uses of guns (of all types) every year than there are mass shootings. Those people who were saved by guns would be dead if there were no guns, so you're just swapping out one bodycount for a different one. When you factor that in, no guns = more dangerous society for any given generic individual.

That your Ben Shapiro debate talent?

-First pat self on back relating the sheer number of handguns vs AR15s as fact. Then mention it is inconsequential to the discussion.

-Then another anecdotal mention about guns being used more defensively vs the number of mass shootings.

-Then mention guns used defensively saves lives verse everything…. Like even other guns!

Then make an absolute bonkers assumption with no data that no guns in a society is more dangerous for all!

Sure sounds like a fun game of tangenting wildly for an escape topic.

Stay in school kids. Stay away from brainwashing Ben Shapiro podcasts.

Want to next mention more gun accidents happen in the home?
Or only you can prevent forest fires?

[aussenseiter]

-First pat self on back relating the sheer number of handguns vs AR15s as fact. Then mention it is inconsequential to the discussion.

You brought it up tho?

Pretty sure the US can pump more injuries and death with tall drink of AR15

Brilliant that some think knives and glass are better tool *roll eyes

[Botten]

You brought it up tho?

Did I? Did I relate the sheer number of handguns to AR15s?

Oh wait was there discussion on glass in there too?

Yeah i know you love confrontation but even you cannot dig him out of his drunken Ben Shapiro debate style.

[aussenseiter]

Did I? Did I relate the sheer number of handguns to AR15s?

Oh wait was there discussion on glass in there too?

Yeah i know you love confrontation but even you cannot dig him out of his drunken Ben Shapiro debate style.

I don't watch Ben Shapiro so I don't know if he's acting like Ben Shapiro(nerd).

[aussenseiter]

The Dutch are having a palace coup? (https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/dutch-government-resign-over-asylum-policy-anp-2023-07-07/)

[Origen]

The Dutch are having a palace coup? (https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/dutch-government-resign-over-asylum-policy-anp-2023-07-07/)MSF is a blessed organization. Doing the Lord's work. I send them money.

[Botten]

Many countries already provide this and good job Arizona!


Over 20 states now have statutes that let pharmacists dispense FDA-approved hormonal contraceptives without a prescription.

Arizona can get birth control medication without a doctor’s prescription. Gov. Katie Hobbs said the rule will go into effect immediately. It applies to self-administered birth control, such as hormonal and oral contraceptives, and patients 18 or older need only complete a screening and a blood pressure test. “We are building an Arizona for everyone, which means ensuring people across the state have what they need to live a free and healthy life,” the Democratic governor said in a statement. (https://www.azfamily.com/2023/07/07/gov-hobbs-makes-birth-control-available-without-prescription/)

[unsunghero]

Poland’s Prime Minister fires shots at France reg their immigration policy and recent riots with his video:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R5kT4bTk2H0

[aussenseiter]

MSF is a blessed organization. Doing the Lord's work. I send them money.

Aren't they anti-semites? (https://forward.com/community/343921/doctors-without-borders-denies-institutional-anti-semitism/)

MSF does not work in Israel

[Origen]

Did you read the article you linked? That person addresses that question pretty head-on, but I admit I hadn't heard of that shit. Pro-Israel people often try to paint any criticism of Israel as anti-Semitic.

[aussenseiter]

Did you read the article you linked? That person addresses that question pretty head-on, but I admit I hadn't heard of that shit. Pro-Israel people often try to paint any criticism of Israel as anti-Semitic.

Nope I did not, I know what aid and succor are though.

I don't need to hear any bullshit about why it's OK.

[Ooloo]

The reason criticism of israel is so often characterized as anti-semitic is because it often is. If you reserve all your condemnation for israel and have none to offer for any of it's neighbor's, you might be anti-semitic. Israel is by far the most open and liberally minded society in the middle east.

I feel bad for the palestinians more because of their own government (hamas and the plo) than anything israel does, which is essentially always defensive in nature. Meanwhile if you're openly gay, good luck living anywhere in the middle east other than israel.

Once again libs get so rabidly confused on this issue because of their boneheaded marxist worldview where power differentials are the only thing that matters. Because israel is powerful, they're supposed to just accept rockets being fired at random into their civilian areas? It doesn't matter that all of their neighbors commit horrible human rights abuses against their *own people* routinely, because they're less powerful? It's morally incoherent like so many leftist ideas.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

The reason criticism of israel is so often characterized as anti-semitic is because it often is. If you reserve all your condemnation for israel and have none to offer for any of it's neighbor's, you might be anti-semitic. Israel is by far the most open and liberally minded society in the middle east.

I feel bad for the palestinians more because of their own government (hamas and the plo) than anything israel does, which is essentially always defensive in nature. Meanwhile if you're openly gay, good luck living anywhere in the middle east other than israel.

Once again libs get so rabidly confused on this issue because of their boneheaded marxist worldview where power differentials are the only thing that matters. Because israel is powerful, they're supposed to just accept rockets being fired at random into their civilian areas? It doesn't matter that all of their neighbors commit horrible human rights abuses against their *own people* routinely, because they're less powerful? It's morally incoherent like so many leftist ideas.

Good post almost.

First two paragraphs stared down two nasty pitches that just missed, as you let that kind of cheese-debate be not worth your time. Not this time Satan! Geopolitics is complicated, exactly. There are no angels in the Middle East, no? Indeed, as Omar would say.

And, as you say in your second paragraph, there is no reason one still can't have especial sympathy for the "biggest losers" in this viper's pit region, and holy shit, really, just look at this situation, plz. It's an ugly tale. Starts with any semblance of property rights thrown to the fire in now-Israel land. There is no way to look at the pst 100 years and not say the Palestinians, that tiny people, have been living the HARD LIFE. But you also do note, well, Israel is by far the only western-style democracy and that is actually a big deal. Again: Indeed!

But then came your third paragraph.

Why don't you just open the door, as Paul MacCartney sang, and say, "And history works this way sometimes, and eternal problem is how we react to it, and we each have to ask ourselves this question."

[unsunghero]

That your Ben Shapiro debate talent?

-First pat self on back relating the sheer number of handguns vs AR15s as fact. Then mention it is inconsequential to the discussion.

-Then another anecdotal mention about guns being used more defensively vs the number of mass shootings.

-Then mention guns used defensively saves lives verse everything…. Like even other guns!

Then make an absolute bonkers assumption with no data that no guns in a society is more dangerous for all!

Sure sounds like a fun game of tangenting wildly for an escape topic.

Stay in school kids. Stay away from brainwashing Ben Shapiro podcasts.

Want to next mention more gun accidents happen in the home?
Or only you can prevent forest fires?

Theoretically the idea of gun ownership would be a lot safer if there were more responsible gun owners

Responsible meaning not leaving their guns around for their kids to find and either accidentally shoot themselves or some kids that were mean to them at school

And responsible in that gun ownership does not embolden the owner to go seek out trouble and escalate situations needlessly

There is an idea of a responsible gun owner, who keeps it out of reach of kids, doesn’t let it embolden him (or her) to aggression, and when having to use it pays attention to backstops and where the bullet might go

But that concept of a responsible gun owner is more rare than most people are happy to admit

[Origen]

Nope I did not, I know what aid and succor are though.

I don't need to hear any bullshit about why it's OK.Okay, I'm still gonna send MSF money and be critical of Israel

[Ooloo]

Theoretically the idea of gun ownership would be a lot safer if there were more responsible gun owners

Responsible meaning not leaving their guns around for their kids to find and either accidentally shoot themselves or some kids that were mean to them at school

And responsible in that gun ownership does not embolden the owner to go seek out trouble and escalate situations needlessly

There is an idea of a responsible gun owner, who keeps it out of reach of kids, doesn’t let it embolden him (or her) to aggression, and when having to use it pays attention to backstops and where the bullet might go

But that concept of a responsible gun owner is more rare than most people are happy to admit

Concealed carry permit holders are more law abiding than actual police, statistically. Of course people should be responsible with their guns, but you're not going to hear a news story about responsible gun owners being responsible. "John Doe continued to have his gun safely secured today" isn't a news story, you're only made aware of the times where shit goes sideways which skews the perception of safety.

Botten thinks guns are uniquely capable of killing people, which just isn't true. A car can take out far more people far more quickly than any semi-automatic gun. The Nice, France truck attack for instance. Dude killed 86 people by just running them over, which is a higher body count than any mass shooting that has ever occurred in the US. And that guy was stopped by.... a gun.

Wanting to ban guns is mostly just an emotional, irrational response to tragedies that get plastered all over TV for months.

[Elizondo]

Wanting to ban guns is mostly just an emotional, irrational response to tragedies that get plastered all over TV for months.

I disagree

It's just made to look that way on TV. In reality, they are just crocodile tears because the end game is a disarmed population that will be much easier to control which is the ultimate objective

[druidbob]

The reason criticism of israel is so often characterized as anti-semitic is because it often is. If you reserve all your condemnation for israel and have none to offer for any of it's neighbor's, you might be anti-semitic. Israel is by far the most open and liberally minded society in the middle east.

I feel bad for the palestinians more because of their own government (hamas and the plo) than anything israel does, which is essentially always defensive in nature. Meanwhile if you're openly gay, good luck living anywhere in the middle east other than israel.

Once again libs get so rabidly confused on this issue because of their boneheaded marxist worldview where power differentials are the only thing that matters. Because israel is powerful, they're supposed to just accept rockets being fired at random into their civilian areas? It doesn't matter that all of their neighbors commit horrible human rights abuses against their *own people* routinely, because they're less powerful? It's morally incoherent like so many leftist ideas.

The problems in Israel can be traced back to the same problem in Africa that has constant civil wars between rival tribes, and that is the fact that the British are really fucking lazy when it comes to drawing borders

[Ooloo]

The problems in Israel can be traced back to the same problem in Africa that has constant civil wars between rival tribes, and that is the fact that the British are really fucking lazy when it comes to drawing borders

For sure and I'm not saying israel is blameless or totally innocent or anything like that. But neither is literally any other country or state in the history of the world. Every single one was founded on displacing some other people, which is why the special scrutiny placed on israel (the only jewish state) is often indicative of latent anti-semitism.

If you claim to have concerns over human rights abuses in the middle east, and you focus your scorn on israel of all countries, you're deeply mixed up.

[druidbob]

For sure and I'm not saying israel is blameless or totally innocent or anything like that. But neither is literally any other country or state in the history of the world. Every single one was founded on displacing some other people, which is why the special scrutiny placed on israel (the only jewish state) is often indicative of latent anti-semitism.

If you claim to have concerns over human rights abuses in the middle east, and you focus your scorn on israel of all countries, you're deeply mixed up.

My problems with Israel is less about the human rights argument and more the fact that they have not been the most reliable of allies for us. There have been multiple times in the past where they failed to uphold their ends of agreements with the US, but they are too valuable of a strategic asset for us to be able to really say anything about it so we just ask nicely to please not keep shafting us on these treaties.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

The problems in Israel can be traced back to the same problem in Africa that has constant civil wars between rival tribes, and that is the fact that the British are really fucking lazy when it comes to drawing borders

At a certain point in that kind of discussion you also have to ask, "borders for what?" Borders are pressing in 2023.

What about 1823? Even 1923?

Global pop today is 8 billion. Population in the early 1800's was a bit over 1 billion. Even 100 years later, it still was not 2 billion. 2 billion is around 1930. Then 3 billion in 1960. 1974, 4 billion; 1987, 5 billion; 1999 was the glorious 6 billion mark; 2011 was 7, and 8 was just recently.

The meaning of a border, or how much one even thinks it matters, is relative to what the borders contain. And until relatively recent, borders always have had hot spots but this notion of lines on a globe, per se?

Not much lol. Unless you dig the maps, no?