NY GRAND JURY VOTES TO INDICT TRUMP

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Never get aggro on the named history golem. But, some people are fucking idiots.

[Ooloo]

Man they REALLY hate this guy. It's sort of fascinating.

Put an R next to Biden's name and he'd be going to solitary for his records shenanigans. Ditto for hillary "got dox on my server i think lol" clinton.

Tribalism gonna tribalism

[TheBardo]

Man they REALLY hate this guy. It's sort of fascinating.

Put an R next to Biden's name and he'd be going to solitary for his records shenanigans. Ditto for hillary "got dox on my server i think lol" clinton.

Tribalism gonna tribalism

have you even read the indictment?

[Ooloo]

have you even read the indictment?

Yes, yes, I know, it's extra-special bad.

Still, they wanna put him in jail for the rest of his life over this. Don't biden and hillary at least deserve like, a year? Neither of them were even president when they took their respective docs. It's kind of hard to not see the obvious double standard when one party gets life and the other party gets literally no punishment of any kind.

Upholding standards is important, otherwise the people will detect a double standard, lose trust in the institutions, and end up electing a guy like trump in the first place.

[TheBardo]

Yes, yes, I know, it's extra-special bad.

Still, they wanna put him in jail for the rest of his life over this. Don't biden and hillary at least deserve like, a year? Neither of them were even president when they took their respective docs. It's kind of hard to not see the obvious double standard when one party gets life and the other party gets literally no punishment of any kind.

Upholding standards is important, otherwise the people will detect a double standard, lose trust in the institutions, and end up electing a guy like trump in the first place.

Not only is it "extra-special" bad, but when the feds requested the documents back, Trump obstructed numerous times, including by instructing his own lawyers to lie to the feds about the existence of said documents.

So if they were so out to get him, why did they give him so many opportunities to return the documents?

Everything you post is willfullly obtuse, intellectually backrupt nonsense.

[Ooloo]

Not only is it "extra-special" bad, but when the feds requested the documents back, Trump obstructed numerous times, including by instructing his own lawyers to lie to the feds about the existence of said documents.

So if they were so out to get him, why did they give him so many opportunities to return the documents?

Everything you post is willfullly obtuse, intellectually backrupt nonsense.

Yes, as I said, what he did is extra-special bad. I agree.

I'm just wondering why biden gets *nothing*. What exactly is the standard of justice here? You're allowed to take classified documents (which trump arguably was since he was president at the time, and biden wasn't since he was only VP), but then if the national archive wants them back and you don't give them up *thats* the crime? Why isn't it illegal to take them in the first place?

Again, my gripe is with the clear double standard. I'm not saying trump did nothing wrong- I'm saying Biden and hillary both did much sloppier things with classified docs and there was absolutely no consequence. Thanks for the needless insults though buddy.

[TheBardo]

proving criminal intent is a key part of the case.

Unfortunately for Trump, he admited in an interview that he knew the docs were classified, and as I said, instructed his lawyers to lie about their existence, and obstructed the return of the documents in multiple other ways.

In the cases of Biden and Pence, they constented to searches and returned all the documents without obstructing.

[Ooloo]

proving criminal intent is a key part of the case.

Unfortunately for Trump, he admited in an interview that he knew the docs were classified, and as I said, instructed his lawyers to lie about their existence, and obstructed the return of the documents in multiple other ways.

In the cases of Biden and Pence, they constented to searches and returned all the documents without obstructing.

So if I rob a jewelry store, but then I totes give the stuff back, it's all good that I did it in the first place?

This isn't justice, these aren't serious people, it's just lawyers doing what they do best. It's obviously politically motivated.

The dems shriek about "threats to democracy" while they're grasping at every possible straw to keep a guy off the ballot entirely who roughly half the country wants to elect. Excuse me if I don't buy a single thing they say when it comes to integrity, standards or morality.

I don't even like trump, I would much rather vote for a sane moderate democrat.

[TheBardo]

This entire situation is of Trump's own making. Theres no room for deep state conspiracy here. Its staggering how dumb the guy is.

[TheBardo]

So if I rob a jewelry store, but then I totes give the stuff back, it's all good that I did it in the first place?


https://www.justia.com/criminal/offenses/theft-crimes/robbery/#:~:text=The%20crime%20of%20robbery%20involves,lar ceny%20in%20two%20important%20ways.

Elements of Robbery
The crime of robbery involves (1) the taking of the property of another (2) from his or her person or in their presence (3) by violence, intimidation or threat (4) with the intent to deprive them of it permanently...

When you robbed the store, you intended to deprive the store of their goods perminently. That you changed your mind later might be a mitigating element in sentencing, but it doesn't change your original intent.

[aussenseiter]

This entire situation is of Trump's own making. Theres no room for deep state conspiracy here. Its staggering how dumb the guy is.

May I gesticulate vaguely at Nixon? 🤪

[Ooloo]

https://www.justia.com/criminal/offenses/theft-crimes/robbery/#:~:text=The%20crime%20of%20robbery%20involves,lar ceny%20in%20two%20important%20ways.

Elements of Robbery
The crime of robbery involves (1) the taking of the property of another (2) from his or her person or in their presence (3) by violence, intimidation or threat (4) with the intent to deprive them of it permanently...

When you robbed the store, you intended to deprive the store of their goods perminently. That you changed your mind later might be a mitigating element in sentencing, but it doesn't change your original intent.

And trump's argument has always been "I was the president when I took them and I declassified them because I can do that." Meaning, he had no criminal intent when he took them. Biden wasn't president when he took his, nor was pence, and you still haven't even addressed what hillary did at all. They did at least investigate her, and then charged her with nothing.

I'm not saying trump didn't do anything wrong, but for him to be facing potential life in prison while the other three get literally nothing is so obviously politically motivated it's just stunning. They are obsessed with this guy and it's just so tiring. Basically every politician save for a handful is a giant power hungry egomaniac, regardless of party. This constant focus on trump like he's the ultimate villain of all history is so stupid.

[TheBardo]

hes on tape discussing classified documents in his possession with a writer and staffers. He admits he knows its classified, and that he could have declassified it when he was president, but now he isn't, he can't.

TRUMP: "See as president I could have declassified it"

STAFFER: "Yeah" (laughs")

TRUMP: "Now I can't you know, but this is still a secret"

[Ooloo]

hes on tape discussing classified documents in his possession with a writer and staffers. He admits he knows its classified, and that he could have declassified it when he was president, but now he isn't, he can't.

TRUMP: "See as president I could have declassified it"

STAFFER: "Yeah" (laughs")

TRUMP: "Now I can't you know, but this is still a secret"

Yep, again, I agree he did something extra-special bad. I'm not denying that. But you haven't addressed the double standard at all, which is what I'm talking about.

Either classified documents are super important or they aren't. There has to be *one* standard. They can't only be important when trump takes them, but no big deal when biden takes them (illegally) and stores them in his literal GARAGE. Like, give me a break.

Again this isn't about justice, it's purely about stopping him from running again. Gee, I wonder what the plea deal will be? Maybe: Don't run for president and we'll drop the charges? The thing I find so gross here is that they're pretending this is about being a good boyscout and holding the guilty accountable, out of some dutiful commitment to the law. It's obviously not.

[TheBardo]

the difference is the intent and egregious obstruction. but we've been through this. time for me to log off.

[aussenseiter]

hes on tape discussing classified documents in his possession with a writer and staffers. He admits he knows its classified, and that he could have declassified it when he was president, but now he isn't, he can't.

TRUMP: "See as president I could have declassified it"

STAFFER: "Yeah" (laughs")

TRUMP: "Now I can't you know, but this is still a secret"

Classification is an executive power. He doesn't have to tell himself or get permission from himself, it is a fait accompli by the action.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/024/965/well.jpg

[unsunghero]

The difference is the CIA told Joe Biden that the safest place in America was his garage in a envelope titled “Car Titles and definitely Not Classified Documents” and to keep them there, so that’s what Biden did

Whereas Trump stole the documents to sell nuclear launch codes to Putin, which he probably did

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Classification is an executive power. He doesn't have to tell himself or get permission from himself, it is a fait accompli by the action.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/024/965/well.jpg





A really good divine power can declassify stuff from inside the womb.



Ivanka is pregnant.


Add it up. Ishmael or whoever his name is left the doomed ship and is busy thinking he's just gonna rake bucks forever.



That's Trump's kid. The one he wanted. The one foretold. Kuato lives.

[Ooloo]

the difference is the intent and egregious obstruction. but we've been through this. time for me to log off.

My dude, I am not saying he didn't do anything wrong. Throw the book at him, charge him with anything he deserves to be charged with.

As long as you do the same thing for biden. Joe severely mishandled highly sensitive material that he shouldn't have even been in possession of in the first place, not to mention the mountain of corruption his entire family is implicated in regarding bribery and influence peddling, and that doesn't even warrant a slap on the wrist? Yet trump should go to prison for life? And you don't think any of this is politically motivated? I know you aren't that credulous.

[wuanahto]

looks like no one knows what indict means

[aussenseiter]

looks like no one knows what indict means

Explain smart guy 😼

[Botten]

My dude, I am not saying he didn't do anything wrong. Throw the book at him, charge him with anything he deserves to be charged with.

As long as you do the same thing for biden. Joe severely mishandled highly sensitive material that he shouldn't have even been in possession of in the first place, not to mention the mountain of corruption his entire family is implicated in regarding bribery and influence peddling, and that doesn't even warrant a slap on the wrist? Yet trump should go to prison for life? And you don't think any of this is politically motivated? I know you aren't that credulous.

INTENT' will be the differentiating factor.
Who ignored request after request after request to return TS/SCI classified documents not belonging to them, thus requiring a visit from the Feds.
Who opened all their properties up for search as soon as it was discovered that some papers were considered 'classified'.

The two cases are not identical, one being from someone who tried desperately to cover up his crimes and refused to cooperate, the other was by someone who immediately followed the proper procedures upon discovery.

More over we can start to see a pattern of Republicans presidents.
-A pattern of monumental deceit Nixon, Bush and now Trump.
-A pattern of reoccurring recession while under Republicans presidential administrations

Saying the usual GOP backdoor escape “That both parties do it,” doesn’t work anymore. Not when it is so obviously blatant that the GOP is the party for the rich. The GOP will more often con and hurt their own base in cooked up scandals to rob social security or medical benefits in a pitch to tell the American people we can’t pay our debts when that same GOP politicians will vote to provide 4 trillion to the deficit if it means a tax relief to the rich.

But let’s be honest, you don’t care all you care about is if some how a GOP politician can stick it to the liberals. Nevermind how illegal, scandalous or hurtful it is to America. Your brainwashed hatred must be quenched.

[unsunghero]

P99 Mods:

[magnetaress]

Horseshoe crab abuse is horrible. We are borg.

[magnetaress]

INTENT' will be the differentiating factor.
Who ignored request after request after request to return TS/SCI classified documents not belonging to them, thus requiring a visit from the Feds.
Who opened all their properties up for search as soon as it was discovered that some papers were considered 'classified'.

The two cases are not identical, one being from someone who tried desperately to cover up his crimes and refused to cooperate, the other was by someone who immediately followed the proper procedures upon discovery.

More over we can start to see a pattern of Republicans presidents.
-A pattern of monumental deceit Nixon, Bush and now Trump.
-A pattern of reoccurring recession while under Republicans presidential administrations

Saying the usual GOP backdoor escape “That both parties do it,” doesn’t work anymore. Not when it is so obviously blatant that the GOP is the party for the rich. The GOP will more often con and hurt their own base in cooked up scandals to rob social security or medical benefits in a pitch to tell the American people we can’t pay our debts when that same GOP politicians will vote to provide 4 trillion to the deficit if it means a tax relief to the rich.

But let’s be honest, you don’t care all you care about is if some how a GOP politician can stick it to the liberals. Nevermind how illegal, scandalous or hurtful it is to America. Your brainwashed hatred must be quenched.

How did Bush deceive ppl. He was a lot like Biden. He promised the holy land and instead delivered an earthly war and the patriot act so we could hunt home grown terrorists.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

looks like no one knows what indict means


Here is an ironic fact. We are ruining these forums. Rationality is a scale. At the bottom you have people who can tell heaven from hell, blue sky from pain, a green field from a cold steel rail, and so forth.


But this is getting into some degree of complicated loft here. Altitude. The higher you go, the farther you see in any given direction. The great Y axis in the sky. Knowledge of the meaning of words? That's Y axis stuff. Perspective on large scale operations? Y. Reliable long and short-term memory? That's a Y.

Let's assume an equation, steady state. Every post someone too high on the Y axis make here, two people leave. Only one of them is a fucktard. The other one was content ignoring the fucktard.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhRXu8CoxE4
KhRXu8CoxE4

[aussenseiter]

Here is an ironic fact. We are ruining these forums. Rationality is a scale. At the bottom you have people who can tell heaven from hell, blue sky from pain, a green field from a cold steel rail, and so forth.


But this is getting into some degree of complicated loft here. Altitude. The higher you go, the farther you see in any given direction. The great Y axis in the sky. Knowledge of the meaning of words? That's Y axis stuff. Perspective on large scale operations? Y. Reliable long and short-term memory? That's a Y.

Let's assume an equation, steady state. Every post someone too high on the Y axis make here, two people leave. Only one of them is a fucktard. The other one was content ignoring the fucktard.

The Old Empire strikes back (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jun/11/nicola-sturgeon-arrestedquestioned-in-snp-finances-inquiry)

https://i.imgur.com/xewaMz6.png

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

The higher the fewer, is all I'm saying from now on.

[Ooloo]

INTENT' will be the differentiating factor.
Who ignored request after request after request to return TS/SCI classified documents not belonging to them, thus requiring a visit from the Feds.
Who opened all their properties up for search as soon as it was discovered that some papers were considered 'classified'.

The two cases are not identical, one being from someone who tried desperately to cover up his crimes and refused to cooperate, the other was by someone who immediately followed the proper procedures upon discovery.

More over we can start to see a pattern of Republicans presidents.
-A pattern of monumental deceit Nixon, Bush and now Trump.
-A pattern of reoccurring recession while under Republicans presidential administrations

Saying the usual GOP backdoor escape “That both parties do it,” doesn’t work anymore. Not when it is so obviously blatant that the GOP is the party for the rich. The GOP will more often con and hurt their own base in cooked up scandals to rob social security or medical benefits in a pitch to tell the American people we can’t pay our debts when that same GOP politicians will vote to provide 4 trillion to the deficit if it means a tax relief to the rich.

But let’s be honest, you don’t care all you care about is if some how a GOP politician can stick it to the liberals. Nevermind how illegal, scandalous or hurtful it is to America. Your brainwashed hatred must be quenched.

Okay. So, again, I'm still waiting for somebody to explain why taking highly classified documents to your house in the first place isn't a crime? Regardless of who did it. Biden, Trump, Pence, whoever. Why can they even take them in the first place? At least trump has the excuse of being president when he took his. Biden wasn't, Pence wasn't, Hillary wasn't, yet none of them are facing potential life in prison. Only Trump is, but NOT for taking them in the first place, just for not giving them back? This makes no god damn sense at all.

Oh wait, it does: They just hate his guts and don't want him to run again. That is obviously the reason, everyone knows it, and this clown show where they pretend they're just the best boyscouts ever and they're just sticking up for law and order is a complete joke.

[Botten]

Okay. So, again, I'm still waiting for somebody to explain why taking highly classified documents to your house in the first place isn't a crime? Regardless of who did it. Biden, Trump, Pence, whoever. Why can they even take them in the first place? At least trump has the excuse of being president when he took his. Biden wasn't, Pence wasn't, Hillary wasn't, yet none of them are facing potential life in prison. Only Trump is, but NOT for taking them in the first place, just for not giving them back? This makes no god damn sense at all.

Oh wait, it does: They just hate his guts and don't want him to run again. That is obviously the reason, everyone knows it, and this clown show where they pretend they're just the best boyscouts ever and they're just sticking up for law and order is a complete joke.

You didn’t even attempt to read.

INTENT and noncooperation completely all ignored.



The two cases are not identical, one being from someone who tried desperately to cover up his crimes and refused to cooperate, the other was by someone who immediately followed the proper procedures upon discovery.

More over we can start to see a pattern of Republicans presidents.
-A pattern of monumental deceit Nixon, Bush and now Trump.
-A pattern of reoccurring recession while under Republicans presidential administrations

Saying the usual GOP backdoor escape “That both parties do it,” doesn’t work anymore. Not when it is so obviously blatant that the GOP is the party for the rich. The GOP will more often con and hurt their own base in cooked up scandals to rob social security or medical benefits in a pitch to tell the American people we can’t pay our debts when that same GOP politicians will vote to provide 4 trillion to the deficit if it means a tax relief to the rich.

But let’s be honest, you don’t care all you care about is if some how a GOP politician can stick it to the liberals. Nevermind how illegal, scandalous or hurtful it is to America.

[aussenseiter]

Okay. So, again, I'm still waiting for somebody to explain why taking highly classified documents to your house in the first place isn't a crime? Regardless of who did it. Biden, Trump, Pence, whoever. Why can they even take them in the first place? At least trump has the excuse of being president when he took his. Biden wasn't, Pence wasn't, Hillary wasn't, yet none of them are facing potential life in prison. Only Trump is, but NOT for taking them in the first place, just for not giving them back? This makes no god damn sense at all.

Oh wait, it does: They just hate his guts and don't want him to run again. That is obviously the reason, everyone knows it, and this clown show where they pretend they're just the best boyscouts ever and they're just sticking up for law and order is a complete joke.

Wouldn't Pence and Biden presumably have been delegated some authority as the junior executive?

[Ooloo]

You didn’t even attempt to read.

INTENT and noncooperation completely all ignored.

No, I did read your post, but most of it is just inflammatory opinion and mind-reading. I mean you bolded the part where you told me what I'm REALLY doing, like you're mad I didn't respond to it. What the hell am I supposed to say in response to that?

Still no explanation at all as to why trump deserves the most severe punishment imaginable short of the death sentence, and biden gets absolutely no punishment. Because one returned the docs and the other didn't (at first)? This constitutes entirely apolitical justice to you? This makes sense as a legal standard to you? If classified documents are important, it should be illegal to take them in the first place. Please explain to me why it apparently isn't.

It's all just so dumb, like is there just a giant cabinet in the white house labelled "CLASSIFIED DOCS LOL" and presidents and vice presidents and secretaries of state just take shit out of them? How does this even happen?

[Ooloo]

Wouldn't Pence and Biden presumably have been delegated some authority as the junior executive?

To do what?

I'm asking why it is apparently only a crime to not *return* highly sensitive classified documents, but not a crime to take them in the first place? Trump, as president, was arguably allowed to take them since, at the time, he could declassify anything he wanted. And that's what they were originally trying to nail him on. This whole recording of him saying "look at this secret stuff lol" is extremely recent. Hence my assertion that this is obviously politically motivated.

He should be charged with anything that applies, definitely, all I'm saying is that Biden should *also* be charged with anything that applies to what *he* did. Isn't it maybe at least criminally negligent to accidentally take a bunch of important national security secrets and dump them in your actual garage? Aw shucks guys, I didn't mean to, sorry if somebody got the nuke codes but it was just a goof.

I didn't mean to hit that guy with my car! I was just texting, it was an accident! Doesn't intent totally get me off the hook??

[Botten]

No, I did read your post, but most of it is just inflammatory opinion and mind-reading. I mean you bolded the part where you told me what I'm REALLY doing, like you're mad I didn't respond to it. What the hell am I supposed to say in response to that?

Still no explanation at all as to why trump deserves the most severe punishment imaginable short of the death sentence, and biden gets absolutely no punishment. Because one returned the docs and the other didn't (at first)? This constitutes entirely apolitical justice to you? This makes sense as a legal standard to you? If classified documents are important, it should be illegal to take them in the first place. Please explain to me why it apparently isn't.

It's all just so dumb, like is there just a giant cabinet in the white house labelled "CLASSIFIED DOCS LOL" and presidents and vice presidents and secretaries of state just take shit out of them? How does this even happen?

Trump = Intent and non-cooperation.
Biden and Pence = Admittance and full cooperation.

I don't know how much easier I can brake it down for you.

Trump did bad and meant it.

Pence and Biden did bad, admitted they did bad. Pence was cleared. Biden is still being evaluated.

I find this all ironic on the eve of another GOP runner up also possibly facing criminal charges.

Texas sheriff files criminal case over DeSantis flights to Martha’s Vineyard (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/06/texas-migrants-flight-marthas-vineyard-charges-sheriff)

Like I said very obvious pattern with GOP hopeful and past presidential administrations. They care about the rich more than their base resulting in scandal.

[Ooloo]

Trump = Intent and non-cooperation.
Biden and Pence = Admittance and full cooperation.

I don't know how much easier I can brake it down for you.

Trump did bad and meant it.

Pence and Biden did bad, admitted they did bad. Pence was cleared. Biden is still being evaluated.


I fully understand what you're saying. Taking documents that you're allowed to take at the time and then not returning them (at first) = life in prison. And you think that's a reasonable punishment. I think it's completely insane and obviously politically motivated, but let's agree to disagree.

Oh also wasn't the FBI fully aware trump had this stuff, and didn't they actually assist in securing it at his mansion prior to the raid last year? Or somebody did? I seem to remember that being a thing.

[magnetaress]

The higher the fewer, is all I'm saying from now on.

I like this post. Yet I never fully understood it.

[aussenseiter]

To do what?

I'm asking why it is apparently only a crime to not *return* highly sensitive classified documents, but not a crime to take them in the first place? Trump, as president, was arguably allowed to take them since, at the time, he could declassify anything he wanted. And that's what they were originally trying to nail him on. This whole recording of him saying "look at this secret stuff lol" is extremely recent. Hence my assertion that this is obviously politically motivated.

He should be charged with anything that applies, definitely, all I'm saying is that Biden should *also* be charged with anything that applies to what *he* did. Isn't it maybe at least criminally negligent to accidentally take a bunch of important national security secrets and dump them in your actual garage? Aw shucks guys, I didn't mean to, sorry if somebody got the nuke codes but it was just a goof.

I didn't mean to hit that guy with my car! I was just texting, it was an accident! Doesn't intent totally get me off the hook??

NARA is an executive agency. If he can delegate to them it's reasonable to say he can delegate to anyone.

And if he doesn't or you don't know he did?

That's too bad, He knew.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Ooloo is proof of the Buddhist teaching that attachment leads to suffering.

The higher the fewer.

[Duik]

Another reminder that the avatar ooloo displays has a "Im a blowup sex doll" look about it.
As someone earlier said, you cant unsee it. Or be unreminded of it.
Also, the subject of this thread also has that look about him when he mansplains stuff to everyone.
I love you all.

Edit bit.
Just noticed NARA referenced, looked it up and a reliable source said it means
National Anti-Rifle Association. Sounds promising.
P.S still love you all.

[TheBardo]

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[TheBardo]

pro click:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=230465

[arvidez]

I like this post. Yet I never fully understood it.

thinking this is related to an ivory tower. will keep watching. i am a slow learner and most often wrong...

[arvidez]

Ooloo is proof of the Buddhist teaching that attachment leads to suffering.

The higher the fewer.

which side is suffering more? what are their attachments?

oooolloooo is reasonable. is it personal attacks that make nahzzz mad?

[Ooloo]

pro click:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=230465

Lol, it's a link to ignore me!

Gawd, why does this jerk have to like, have his own opinions that he posts on a discussion forum! The audacity!

He needs to just get on the "trump is magically bad and the worst person ever" hysteria train, even though he has repeatedly said trump should be charged, as long as the law is applied equally to dem politicans who have provably done far worse and not been charged!

[Ooloo]

Here's what hillary did btw: Illegally stored classified information on a private server in her house, and deleted it's contents while there was an ongoing investigation into the matter. There was evidence that hostile foreign actors gained access to it. Comey literally confirmed this, but said that a "reasonable prosecutor" wouldn't bring charges so they decided to drop the issue.

Clear obstruction, clearly illegal sloppy handling of sensitive material. Nothing happened to her.

But now, with trump, oh boy is it super-duper bad! We gotta stop him! Oh also he's leading biden in a generic poll for 2024... just a coincidence all these legal battles are unfolding. Nothing political about it, just good and honest people upholding the law!

[booter]

imagine believing any of that lol

[aussenseiter]

imagine believing any of that lol

We're all old enough to remember the Clinton perjury trap. 👴

[MrSparkle001]

We're all old enough to remember the Clinton perjury trap. 👴

"I didn't inhale"

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman"

[Ekco]

It depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is.

[unsunghero]

All I remember from the Hillary thing is her being asked if she bleached the server, and she feigning ignorance and making a cleaning motion with her hand and asking “like cleaning with bleach?” And everyone later making fun of her for that

[Ooloo]

imagine believing any of that lol

Imagine being so clearly ignorant of recent history that you don't know what I'm referring to (or maybe are pretending you don't).

Hillary did essentially exactly what they're accusing trump of, and in some ways much worse. Didn't get charged with anything. Bill Clinton had three credible allegations of actual rape against him; not "grab em by the pussy because you're famous and they let you". Like, actual rape. He did at least get impeached over Monica, but not removed from office. If trump had gotten actual blowjobs from a whitehouse intern he'd be in guantanamo right now.

You guys are like allergic to common sense or something. I don't even like trump, I think he SHOULD be charged, all I'm asking for is some kind of explanation for why nobody else ever is. Just spitball here, it can be a shitty explanation, I'm just lookin for *one* good reason why there's such an obvious political asymmetry in the application of the law at the highest levels.

[misterbonkers]

essentially exactly

this should be in the lose weight thread for how much heavy lifting it's doing

[Ooloo]

this should be in the lose weight thread for how much heavy lifting it's doing

Lmao, so, in your opinion what did hillary do? Let's see if you even know.

I'm talking about events that msnbc and cnn reported on, this isn't some fringe right wing conspiracy.

[Duik]

Ooloo, Its clearly the fault of the Baby eating pizza purveyors.
I blame them.
You should too.
Being pizza related should make it easier for you to swallow, also your porn mouth would help as well.

[unsunghero]

Here’s what I was talking about

“Did you wipe the server?”

Hillary, thinking she’s being clever: “Like with a cloth or something?”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4MaoNDzZ8Mw

[Patriam1066]

"I didn't inhale"

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman"

If I were president, I’d probably do a bong rip and let Monica blow me

Just saying

[aussenseiter]

Slick Willy:perjury::Teflon Don:obstruction

[MrSparkle001]

If I were president, I’d probably do a bong rip and let Monica blow me

Just saying

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[Homesteaded]

Deeply saddened by the loss of this forum. Truly a shame.

[Botten]

Hillary did essentially exactly what they're accusing trump of, and in some ways much worse.

Not even remotely close.

There were no confirmed instances of Hillary Clinton sharing secret documents. However, there were concerns regarding her use of a private email server while serving as Secretary of State, which led to an FBI investigation. The investigation concluded that Clinton and her aides were "extremely careless" in handling classified information but found no evidence of intentional mishandling or a prosecutable offense.

Trump voiced his intent with the secret printed documents and hid them and rehid the documents from lawyers and the FBI several times when he said he returned them and didn’t.
Trump stored them incorrectly and shared them with people who weren’t not classified to see them.

Didn't get charged with anything. Bill Clinton had three credible allegations of actual rape against him; not "grab em by the pussy because you're famous and they let you". Like, actual rape. He did at least get impeached over Monica, but not removed from office. If trump had gotten actual blowjobs from a whitehouse intern he'd be in guantanamo right now.

If Bill Clinton did do something he should be prosecuted. Just like if the court case by Johnson claiming that Trump violently raped her when she was 13 at a 1994 is True then Trump should be prosecuted for that too.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

You guys are like allergic to common sense or something.

Read what you wrote prior to this quote and tell me who is suffering from allergies. And it is the same with allergies, that it is with attachments.

The higher the fewer.

[PRogers]

BUT HILLARY!!!!!!

How does that make his crimes go away, exactly?

So if you get a speeding ticket, if someone sped in the past, speeding laws are all invalid and should not apply to anyone?

Why dont you say "but hitler" or "but pol pot" he killed millions and got to retire in Cambodia, died a peaceful and quiet death in his 70's.

Cause that will make your murder charge go away, right?

[Botten]

That escalated fast. Trump is now under arrest.

[unsunghero]

Deeply saddened by the loss of this forum. Truly a shame.

[Ooloo]

BUT HILLARY!!!!!!

How does that make his crimes go away, exactly?

So if you get a speeding ticket, if someone sped in the past, speeding laws are all invalid and should not apply to anyone?

Why dont you say "but hitler" or "but pol pot" he killed millions and got to retire in Cambodia, died a peaceful and quiet death in his 70's.

Cause that will make your murder charge go away, right?

Because not prosecuting hillary, who arguably did worse things, but instead throwing the book at trump (who is currently running for president and is very popular among half the country) betrays an obvious political bias in the application of the law. Nobody is saying trump shouldn't be prosecuted, at least not me. I'm saying everyone else should be too.

So ya know, that's why.

[Ooloo]

Not even remotely close.

There were no confirmed instances of Hillary Clinton sharing secret documents. However, there were concerns regarding her use of a private email server while serving as Secretary of State, which led to an FBI investigation. The investigation concluded that Clinton and her aides were "extremely careless" in handling classified information but found no evidence of intentional mishandling or a prosecutable offense.

Trump voiced his intent with the secret printed documents and hid them and rehid the documents from lawyers and the FBI several times when he said he returned them and didn’t.
Trump stored them incorrectly and shared them with people who weren’t not classified to see them.


Ah got it. So the justice department of that time, which was extremely sympathetic to her, concluded she didn't do anything wrong. Nothing says innocent like smashing cell phones with hammers and using some weirdo app to wipe your hard drive!

Gross negligence is a criminal offense. You aren't magically innocent of a crime just because you feign ignorance and say "wha wha wha I didn't even know I was doin nothin wrong guys!".

You could just admit there's a clear political bias and you think it's justified, rather than torturing logic to conclude there totes isn't one.

[unsunghero]

Because not prosecuting hillary, who arguably did worse things, but instead throwing the book at trump (who is currently running for president and is very popular among half the country) betrays an obvious political bias in the application of the law. Nobody is saying trump shouldn't be prosecuted, at least not me. I'm saying everyone else should be too.

So ya know, that's why.

Nuh uh, the DOJ investigated Hunter Biden right away and didn’t choose to kick the can down the road for years for partisan and possible corruption reasons

Oh wait…

[Lune]

I'm saying everyone else should be (prosecuted) too.

Agree.

However the reason Trump is being prosecuted and the others aren't is the sheer scale of the retardation and/or crookedness in keeping this shit littered around his resort. DoJ almost certainly would have let that slide except he refused to give it back or secure the material when requested. The shit sitting in Weekend At Biden's garage at least got returned when asked.

All bad orange man had to do was comply and stop resisting

Jokes aside, I'm still quite certain he'll never see the inside of a cell and all this publicity is only doing him good

[aussenseiter]

Agree.

However the reason Trump is being prosecuted and the others aren't is the sheer scale of the retardation and/or crookedness in keeping this shit littered around his resort. DoJ almost certainly would have let that slide except he refused to give it back or secure the material when requested. The shit sitting in Weekend At Biden's garage at least got returned when asked.

All bad orange man had to do was comply and stop resisting

Jokes aside, I'm still quite certain he'll never see the inside of a cell and all this publicity is only doing him good

If Tromp was working for the Russians, wouldn't he want to be indicted?

Wheels within wheels

[Botten]

You could just admit there's a clear political bias and you think it's justified, rather than torturing logic to conclude there totes isn't one.

You are arguing that there is bias when Trump has been on tape admitting to his own crime.

That he was found flushing documents down the toilet (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-white-house-toilet-documents-dumped-b2140621.html). Asking his lawyers to pluck the documents out of existence (https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/indictment-lawyer-told-authorities-trump-suggested-pluck-damaging-99968533).

This isn't the first time. There is a pattern with Trump.
The Hush Money Case
Trump fraudulent fundraising foundation
Jane Rosenberg Case
And we are still waiting on The Georgia Election Interference Investigation where he was Also on tape.

There is more but it isn't worth going further into.

Karma catching up with everyone there isn't any bias.

And horrendous scandals on the GOP side are not uncommon looking back at Nixon, Bush and now Trump.

[Duik]

Simple question.
Does tRump have a gun, you beaut harvard trained defense team, begging to represent him?
I mean surely defending an obviously innocent former president would be cream and a strawberry on top for a law firms reputation.
I hate it when people waste cream.

[booter]

words

false equivalence and whataboutism are all the trolls have left, there's no need to engage them anymore lol

[aussenseiter]

That he was found flushing documents down the toilet (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-white-house-toilet-documents-dumped-b2140621.html).

How'd he get in there to do the flushing? Seems like a huge lapse in security.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

false equivalence and whataboutism are all the trolls have left, there's no need to engage them anymore lol

https://i.imgur.com/wHCnEd8.jpg

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

But let's be rational.

The thing that gets me about this particular Trump case is it got brought in Florida. Basic federal law gives states the right to request a "full standard" evidence review if the Federal government brings a case in their state, using evidence relevant to that state's laws and values. The "Due Exchange Act" is basic. Even Hochul, a lifelong Dem, ordered a "full standard" in Trump's NY trial.

So why didn't Florida request one?

Oh that's right. Trump's *direct competitor* is the current governor. Trump is being taken down by his own party, you rubes. This case involves DC law and statutes. DC Grand Jury. Why did it suddenly and conveniently get moved to Florida?

Biden licks his chops at facing Trump. But DeSantis is "the real deal." DeSantis is sharp as a whip and will slice Biden apart, and Biden knows it. That's why something is off with this situation.

[Duik]

No takers on the tRump lawyer situation?
Since we all love a good reverse engineering exercise, I thought you guys would be all over that simple question.
Is it.
Innocent man, with no proof of malfeasance that should be a free shot for any firm. Lawyers tripping over each other.
Or.
Guilty man, with some/enough evidence who refuses to shut his damn fat mouth when advised to by previous gun you beaut lawyers who then will try using the old "my new lawyers will need time to get across my case your honor" delaying technique.
Go.

[TheBardo]

false equivalence and whataboutism are all the trolls have left, there's no need to engage them anymore lol

[aussenseiter]

But let's be rational.

The thing that gets me about this particular Trump case is it got brought in Florida. Basic federal law gives states the right to request a "full standard" evidence review if the Federal government brings a case in their state, using evidence relevant to that state's laws and values. The "Due Exchange Act" is basic. Even Hochul, a lifelong Dem, ordered a "full standard" in Trump's NY trial.

So why didn't Florida request one?

Oh that's right. Trump's *direct competitor* is the current governor. Trump is being taken down by his own party, you rubes. This case involves DC law and statutes. DC Grand Jury. Why did it suddenly and conveniently get moved to Florida?

Biden licks his chops at facing Trump. But DeSantis is "the real deal." DeSantis is sharp as a whip and will slice Biden apart, and Biden knows it. That's why something is off with this situation.

I think you're mixing up the state and federal thing. Meatball can't do squat here. 11th circuit is also significantly more Tromp friendly than DC court would be.

But I also think you did it on purpose. :mad:

[TheBardo]

Deeply saddened by the loss of this forum. Truly a shame.

This forum was a sewer, you're morning the loss of a shithole. What the fuck is wrong with you.

[TheBardo]

Simple question.
Does tRump have a gun, you beaut harvard trained defense team, begging to represent him?
I mean surely defending an obviously innocent former president would be cream and a strawberry on top for a law firms reputation.
I hate it when people waste cream.

Could you try rephrasing in coerent way?

[TheBardo]

is ooloo a troll or the dumbest man to ever live

[unsunghero]

This forum was a sewer, you're morning the loss of a shithole. What the fuck is wrong with you.

Sewer to a graveyard

Pick your poison :(

[Homesteaded]

And horrendous scandals on the GOP side are not uncommon looking back at Nixon, Bush and now Trump.

You do realize that what Obama/Hillary did in 2016 blows Watergate out of the...water, right?

[Duik]

Could you try rephrasing in coerent way?

I believe it was completely coerent. It had fully shared erent.
But, once more for the dimwitted.
Trump is innocent, should be easy to get him off (i dunno, maybe ask Stormy) all lawyer firms would want a famous, innocent former president as a client.
None appear to be clambering forward.
Discuss why, coherently this time please.

[Botten]

You do realize that what Obama/Hillary did in 2016 blows Watergate out of the...water, right?

You mean this?

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Justice Department has ended its probe into whether Obama administration officials improperly “unmasked” associates of President Donald Trump mentioned in intelligence reports, two congressional sources said on Wednesday.

It found no wrongdoing, one of the sources said.

Furthermore-


No evidence has been found that legal surveillance, as part of Crossfire Hurricane, was at the direction of Obama, Obama administration political officials or improper deep state influence, or that the Steele dossier was used to launched the Russia probe, or that the surveillance was designed to surveil the Trump campaign and Trump White House transition team for political purposes.

Specific actions undertaken by the FBI that have been highlighted include the use of an informant who met with Trump advisors Sam Clovis, George Papadopoulos, and Carter Page, as well as obtaining a FISA warrant to legally surveil Carter Page after he left the Trump campaign.

The Inspector General report on the Crossfire Hurricane investigation did not find evidence that "political bias or improper motivation influenced the FBI's decision to seek FISA authority on Carter Page", but did point out serious inconsistencies and improper procedures that were followed with regard to the obtaining of the warrants.

Trump has claimed that as part of Crossfire Hurricane, his "wires" at Trump Tower were wiretapped. This was refuted by Trump's own Justice Department. In addition, Trump has claimed that after the Crossfire Hurricane investigation recorded Michael Flynn's conversations with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak, Flynn was improperly "unmasked". This was also refuted by the Trump Justice Department.

But you know what was found Manafort came to the Trump campaign with deep ties to Russian figures, and was the only non-Trump-family member from the campaign team to participate in the June 2016 Trump Tower meeting with a Russian lawyer, which was set up on the promise of obtaining incriminating information about Hillary Clinton.

Yeah so I stand by what I said, GOP is the party of horrendous scandals looking back at Nixon, Bush and now Trump.

Oh aussenseiter, if it was done in the WH it was most likely done in Mar-a-lago especially when the boxes of secret documents were moved to a bathroom.

[Lune]

You do realize that what Obama/Hillary did in 2016 blows Watergate out of the...water, right?

Westboro Baptist Church: The Political Party

That you feel a sense of loss over a subforum full of hatred should tell you something.

[Ooloo]

is ooloo a troll or the dumbest man to ever live

I'm a person talking on an internet discussion forum about my opinions, which are different than your opinions. It's gonna be okay.

[Ooloo]

Westboro Baptist Church: The Political Party

That you feel a sense of loss over a subforum full of hatred should tell you something.

Hate-speech is an ill-defined term. Definitions are supposed to be precise and specific, not full of a bunch of "and\or's". I would agree that running around hurling slurs is totally useless and that type of thing deserves to be banned. But that is hardly the only thing people consider "hateful" enough to ban.

I'd love for somebody to simply post an example of a sentence that is critical of, say, trans ideology, but wouldn't be considered "hate speech" by a typical activist. I'd argue it literally can't be done.

The problem with the term is that it's extremely elastic and can include nearly any opinion that is divergent at all. It ends up functioning as a defacto means of just shutting up anyone you don't like, while also allowing the censor to say "Hey I support free speech, but not hate speech!". Such a person has never read a history book, I'd argue.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

But I also think you did it on purpose. :mad:

The higher the fewer

[Homesteaded]

The entire Russia hoax was spearheaded by a known fraudent source, they knew it was bogus. They knew it was started and funded by Hillary. You sourcing the DoJ as clearing themselves is laughable.

“After extensive research the United Agency of Fox has found no evidence that a fox was involved in the breaking and entering into the chicken coop and ravaging the chickens.”

[aussenseiter]

Westboro Baptist Church: The Political Party

Why be ecumenical with apostates? :p

(Not my opinion)

[Botten]

The entire Russia hoax was spearheaded by a known fraudent source, they knew it was bogus. They knew it was started and funded by Hillary. You sourcing the DoJ as clearing themselves is laughable.

“After extensive research the United Agency of Fox has found no evidence that a fox was involved in the breaking and entering into the chicken coop and ravaging the chickens.”

Facebook feeds, blue bird echo chambers and extreme right radio hosts use alternative facts. I suggest being careful.

[Homesteaded]

Facebook feeds, blue bird echo chambers and extreme right radio hosts use alternative facts. I suggest being careful.

Right. The two “impeachments” were warranted and backed by facts.

[Tnair]

Hate-speech is an ill-defined term. Definitions are supposed to be precise and specific, not full of a bunch of "and\or's". I would agree that running around hurling slurs is totally useless and that type of thing deserves to be banned. But that is hardly the only thing people consider "hateful" enough to ban.

I'd love for somebody to simply post an example of a sentence that is critical of, say, trans ideology, but wouldn't be considered "hate speech" by a typical activist. I'd argue it literally can't be done.

The problem with the term is that it's extremely elastic and can include nearly any opinion that is divergent at all. It ends up functioning as a defacto means of just shutting up anyone you don't like, while also allowing the censor to say "Hey I support free speech, but not hate speech!". Such a person has never read a history book, I'd argue.


This is an interesting point for me. I've had a lot of productive conversations with "the other side" politically and we always end up agreeing that if you don't like or agree with something, the answer is generally to not do it, not to go into others' homes and tell them what to do or not.

So I'm inclined to define hate speech as "THEY <bad things>" implying all of "them" are the same, less human and complicated, and bad. Non-hate speech that's critical would therefor be "I don't do x or y myself because of how this issue exists in my life". Before this gets interpreted as "all hate speech is the same", there's different strengths of hate speech of course, an authority figure or famous person saying something about THEM is going to have more (negative) impact than that racist homeless man saying the same
thing.

Our legal structure is allergic to context though so that probably is too nuanced an understanding to not be abused in a court of law

[Tnair]

Right. The two “impeachments” were warranted and backed by facts.

All the things the federal govt does are in service to the continued economic and military extraction from poorer countries to the US and its allies, and from poorer people in the US to big business interests and their allies. If you're believing either major party OR any "real" news source at face value, you are missing the whole function of the structure. It doesn't care about justice, human rights, quality of life, or anything like that ... it cares about protecting itself from threat. Trumps clownery and clumsiness just became to much of a threat for the business and military interests behind the throne is all that's happened. Don't get wrapped up in the puppet show, we're not a real democracy.

[Botten]

Or wait for it the corruption by Trump even before his presidency mounted and he only has himself to blame.

Defending his or the GOP antics at this point screams aspects of desperation.

[Homesteaded]

All the things the federal govt does are in service to the continued economic and military extraction from poorer countries to the US and its allies, and from poorer people in the US to big business interests and their allies. If you're believing either major party OR any "real" news source at face value, you are missing the whole function of the structure. It doesn't care about justice, human rights, quality of life, or anything like that ... it cares about protecting itself from threat. Trumps clownery and clumsiness just became to much of a threat for the business and military interests behind the throne is all that's happened. Don't get wrapped up in the puppet show, we're not a real democracy.

I’m in full agreement.

I do believe Trump was an outsider that was disruptive to the status quo. Which is why we’ve gone through the years of complete media manipulation. Russia Hoax, Ukraine Hoax, Covid Hoax, Election Hoax, Ukraine hoax 2.0, now we’re onto Trump indictment hoax.

[aussenseiter]

Right. The two “impeachments” were warranted and backed by facts.

He did obstruct Congress.

[Botten]

I’m in full agreement.

I do believe Trump was an outsider that was disruptive to the status quo. Which is why we’ve gone through the years of complete media manipulation. Russia Hoax, Ukraine Hoax, Covid Hoax, Election Hoax, Ukraine hoax 2.0, now we’re onto Trump indictment hoax.

Denial is the first step.

[Ooloo]

People's perception of trump is 100% determined by his obnoxious, self-aggrandizing personality. They just hate his guts. He's like the heel in a pro-wrestling match, you just love to hate him cause ohhh boyyyy he's so full of himself and he's gonna get his this weekend at Summerslam!

If his entire presidency just consisted of a computer spitting out bullet-points on a sheet of paper as far as the actual policies to be implemented, I doubt anyone would have a problem with it. I can't help but notice nobody ever criticizes any particular policies he implemented as president, because quite a few things were actually a lot better for average americans while he was in the white house. When they come after him for this current ordeal, they pretend it's all just totally by-the-books even though like a billion other politicians have done the same things or worse. They call it "historic", which I suppose it is, since most criminal politicians they just ignore- but not this time!

All politicians are fundamentally power hungry narcissists, every single one. Because it demands a personality type who wakes up in the morning and thinks: "You know who should be in charge? ME!". The appeal of trump for people is that he's anti-establishment, many of the people who elected him in 2016 had previously voted for obama twice, but they hated hillary so much they had to vote for the other guy. I can't really blame them.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Hate-speech is an ill-defined term. Definitions are supposed to be precise and specific, not full of a bunch of "and\or's". I would agree that running around hurling slurs is totally useless and that type of thing deserves to be banned. But that is hardly the only thing people consider "hateful" enough to ban.

I'd love for somebody to simply post an example of a sentence that is critical of, say, trans ideology, but wouldn't be considered "hate speech" by a typical activist. I'd argue it literally can't be done.

The problem with the term is that it's extremely elastic and can include nearly any opinion that is divergent at all. It ends up functioning as a defacto means of just shutting up anyone you don't like, while also allowing the censor to say "Hey I support free speech, but not hate speech!". Such a person has never read a history book, I'd argue.

Slippery Sam. You first wanted to know what could be discussed here, among us freaks. Because things got banned. A good question. I advised you to play that hand, it could have served you well.

But now we are out in the Land of Forest Animals and you are asking what you can say to Forest Creature X, and that dammit you deserve a clear definition.

So do you wish to know what is going on in the outside world, or here? Choose.

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The outside world is all mostly relative to exactly where you are talking about. Places have "communities" and how you are dealt with, in any sense, speaking or whatever, depends on who you are relative to that community. If you are a stranger, the general rule is to be polite and gracious.

In group behavior is in group. If you aren't in the group, what's it to you? Like, I'm a dude. If I go to a Lesbian bar to chill, just to chill, what exactly are my expectations here? "Hey, what can I say here, before I buy a drink I need to know what I can say here. Do I got to say tinkle instead of piss? I've never been round Lesbians before," well, what do you expect to happen?

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The inside world, here, is largely a loosely knit social mass revolving around a skinner box. What you can do here has its own ways and means. And it just won't let you be.

No, no.

[aussenseiter]

Our legal structure is allergic to context though so that probably is too nuanced an understanding to not be abused in a court of law

Equal protection.

[Ooloo]

Slippery Sam. You first wanted to know what could be discussed here, among us freaks. Because things got banned. A good question. I advised you to play that hand, it could have served you well.

But now we are out in the Land of Forest Animals and you are asking what you can say to Forest Creature X, and that dammit you deserve a clear definition.

So do you wish to know what is going on in the outside world, or here? Choose.

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The outside world is all mostly relative to exactly where you are talking about. Places have "communities" and how you are dealt with, in any sense, speaking or whatever, depends on who you are relative to that community. If you are a stranger, the general rule is to be polite and gracious.

In group behavior is in group. If you aren't in the group, what's it to you? Like, I'm a dude. If I go to a Lesbian bar to chill, just to chill, what exactly are my expectations here? "Hey, what can I say here, before I buy a drink I need to know what I can say here. Do I got to say tinkle instead of piss? I've never been round Lesbians before," well, what do you expect to happen?

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The inside world, here, is largely a loosely knit social mass revolving around a skinner box. What you can do here has its own ways and means. And it just won't let you be.

No, no.

Um okay, your posts are very hard to parse, I'm never exactly sure what you're saying.

I noticed you didn't provide an example either. Here I'll do it myself:

"I think it's unethical to transition children, due to matters of consent. Even if there was robust scientific evidence that it's helpful, which there isn't, it's still unethical to allow kids to make permanent life altering decisions.".

I do not consider the above to be "hate speech" in the slightest. Other people *do*, and that's the problem.

[pink grapefruit]

Equal protection.

c'mon, friend.

why would you want to waste your time with these sad conspiracy theorists when you could be rackin' up YTs with your pal grapefruit? red server the best opportunity for nazi hunting eq has ever had xD

you never even talk about eq stuff. what server did you play on live?

[arvidez]

Um okay, your posts are very hard to parse, I'm never exactly sure what you're saying.

I noticed you didn't provide an example either. Here I'll do it myself:

"I think it's unethical to transition children, due to matters of consent. Even if there was robust scientific evidence that it's helpful, which there isn't, it's still unethical to allow kids to make permanent life altering decisions.".

I do not consider the above to be "hate speech" in the slightest. Other people *do*, and that's the problem.

i think he is telling you to read/respect the room. when you are bar for women who had abortions, dont use dickish language if you wanna to criticize the act.

meanwhile, he casts people into hitlers army, anyone he deems not kind enough.

[Ooloo]

i think he is telling you to read/respect the room. when you are bar for women who had abortions, dont use dickish language if you wanna to criticize the act.

meanwhile, he casts people into hitlers army, anyone he deems not kind enough.

Well, you might say I *am* reading and respecting the room by reading the forum rules and posting anything not related to p99 in the off-topic subforum. I tried to start a thread specifically for respectful discussion of current events, but it was locked. So uhhh, sorry.

I have a hunch they just don't want people talking about trans stuff. If so, just put that in the rules.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

I think consent is the touchstone of any sound moral or legal system.

I do not consider the above to be "hate speech" in the slightest. Other people *do*, and that's the problem.

Here tho? That's my point. Where are you talking about? You are a postcard without an addresee.

Are you in a room where people are saying bad things about a consent-based moral or legal or god forbid, political system? Because say when buddy. Say when. You just messed with the wrong military-industrial-political complex.
https://i.imgur.com/Em9rzpz.jpg

My outlook is not complicated.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Well, you might say I *am* reading and respecting the room by reading the forum rules and posting anything not related to p99 in the off-topic subforum. I tried to start a thread specifically for respectful discussion of current events, but it was locked. So uhhh, sorry.

I have a hunch they just don't want people talking about trans stuff. If so, just put that in the rules.

Ah, you got in and you finally got back to your main point of contention, which asked "what are the rules here?" before you started swaying it out to include "what are the rules there?"

See the diff? I need to know where we are talking about. So, what are the rules here. That's an interesting hand to play. This is a good hand. I told you this was the one.

Can we talk about trannies? Transvestites? From transexual etc? It's part of culture, this is off-topic, so why not?

I saw RHPS at age 14 in Uniondale NY, if you know the history of Long Island you know the theater. Midnights shows r us. Party central. Hitched there with an older friend who vouched I was his brother, and he brought his pet garden snake because he heard it was a freak show. We hitched there and dosed and that was always a way to bide the time. I did not think any of this was frightening.

Ok. That was one episode.

Wait, how much detail do I need to give you before you get, it's not the plane, it's the pilot?

[aussenseiter]

Ah, you got in and you finally got back to your main point of contention, which asked "what are the rules here?" before you started swaying it out to include "what are the rules there?"

See the diff? I need to know where we are talking about. So, what are the rules here. That's an interesting hand to play. This is a good hand. I told you this was the one.

Can we talk about trannies? Transvestites? From transexual etc? It's part of culture, this is off-topic, so why not?

Transgender Coverage Topical Guide (https://apstylebook.com/topical_most_recent?utm_medium=APStylebook&utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=SocialFlow)

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

No fans off the old theater at Uniondale -- pronounced "Onion-dale" lol? No one?
https://i.imgur.com/Dtlfo83.jpg

[arvidez]

you’re a city slicker?! Who’d a known? Collective. Why you love order. You live in a man’s world. I grew up in the resplendent bosom of nature, surrounded by chaos. Individuals get to create a more individualized “order” and stay off my lawn

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Transgender Coverage Topical Guide (https://apstylebook.com/topical_most_recent?utm_medium=APStylebook&utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=SocialFlow)

AP?

Fuck that shit.

MLA!

I'll gender anything that moves.

[Lune]

Why be ecumenical with apostates? :p

(Not my opinion)

Yea see Thomas Jefferson disagrees and it is his country not yours

j/k lol forgot my history for a moment, it's always been yours

Westboro 2024

[Ooloo]

Ah, you got in and you finally got back to your main point of contention, which asked "what are the rules here?" before you started swaying it out to include "what are the rules there?"

See the diff? I need to know where we are talking about. So, what are the rules here. That's an interesting hand to play. This is a good hand. I told you this was the one.

Can we talk about trannies? Transvestites? From transexual etc? It's part of culture, this is off-topic, so why not?

I saw RHPS at age 14 in Uniondale NY, if you know the history of Long Island you know the theater. Midnights shows r us. Party central. Hitched there with an older friend who vouched I was his brother, and he brought his pet garden snake because he heard it was a freak show. We hitched there and dosed and that was always a way to bide the time. I did not think any of this was frightening.

Ok. That was one episode.

Wait, how much detail do I need to give you before you get, it's not the plane, it's the pilot?

Man I'm really trying here but I honestly have no idea what any of that means.

If you aren't allowed to talk about the potential downsides of modern transgender ideology here, it should be in the rules. That's all I'm saying.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

DeSantis is popping.

I'd be a Smilin' Jack too, if I was the governor of the state that controls the statutes that my chief rival just got arrested under.

Remember the Suprenacy Clause was specific on purpose. The Federal government has no right to interdict a standard review. Federal laws "over-rule but do not replace" local jurisdiction. If you go to a major courthouse you see federal and local officers working hand in hand for this reason. But not in Florida and your last name is Trump lol.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

If you aren't allowed to talk about the potential downsides of modern transgender ideology here, it should be in the rules. That's all I'm saying.

You mean surgery or subculture? Wat's ideology?

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Seriously, what do you mean "ideology"?

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Forum -- Off Topic (Except Ideologies)?

Are you proposing or opposing we can't talk about ideologies?

I just need to no yes or know what is an ideology so we cannot discuss one? And if we were are their shades here?

Let's say I want to discuss the ideas of the Physiocrats. Is that right out?

Bold hold, I don't even know what an ideology is.

It sounds gnarly. Is it? This is not known. It could be if we see this through. I leave that to the odds.

[Ooloo]

...what?

Here's the definition of ideology: a system of ideas and ideals, especially one which forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy.

There you go.

[aussenseiter]

DeSantis is popping.

I'd be a Smilin' Jack too, if I was the governor of the state that controls the statutes that my chief rival just got arrested under.

Remember the Suprenacy Clause was specific on purpose. The Federal government has no right to interdict a standard review. Federal laws "over-rule but do not replace" local jurisdiction. If you go to a major courthouse you see federal and local officers working hand in hand for this reason. But not in Florida and your last name is Trump lol.

Isn't it a federal judge in a federal court and federal charges?

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Isn't it a federal judge in a federal court and federal charges?

Hello? It's in Miami?

I am pretty sure that's not under debate :cool:

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

...what?

Here's the definition of ideology: a system of ideas and ideals, especially one which forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy.

There you go.

So what is "modern transgender ideology" then, outside of any normal representative function?

The coal industry, for example, has interests, power to shape policy, and a set of ideas (an ideology) that they share with many extraction industries. But that is normal politics.

Maybe what I am asking is, what is the "coal industry" in this equation here? Because an industry has rights and I think I understand what you mean by ideology.

You mean, like a trade group? You don't mean ideology with a capitol I, like "Democracy," "Capitalism," "Marxism" and so forth?

Is this an ideology with a small I or a big I? If it's the former, have at it. Banter, make your case I say. You have an interest in transexual policy moving forward? Speak up citizen.

Now, ideology with a big "I" doesn't make any sense. It's not a big deal. No legs over time. Simple google searches demonstrate, you are not the daddy here. Time's bearing other daddies' babies. Fact.

But if you want to just argue policy, have at it, right? What's your argument? If it's about not grooming children I'm pretty sure that is the law. No consent, no sexy time.

So what policy? If you say weird gender ideas in front of the kids, I'm gonna post the front of Kiss Alive. I went to a Kiss concert in 1977.

And then I am going to repeat, it's not the plane, it's the pilot.

[aussenseiter]

Hello? It's in Miami?

I am pretty sure that's not under debate :cool:

https://www.flsd.uscourts.gov/federal-judicial-districts-florida

https://www.flsd.uscourts.gov/sites/flsd/files/Southern-District-Map.gif

[Ooloo]

So what is "modern transgender ideology" then, outside of any normal representative function?

The coal industry, for example, has interests, power to shape policy, and a set of ideas (an ideology) that they share with many extraction industries. But that is normal politics.

Maybe what I am asking is, what is the "coal industry" in this equation here? Because an industry has rights and I think I understand what you mean by ideology.

You mean, like a trade group? You don't mean ideology with a capitol I, like "Democracy," "Capitalism," "Marxism" and so forth?

Is this an ideology with a small I or a big I? If it's the former, have at it. Banter, make your case I say. You have an interest in transexual policy moving forward? Speak up citizen.

Now, ideology with a big "I" doesn't make any sense. It's not a big deal. No legs over time. Simple google searches demonstrate, you are not the daddy here. Time's bearing other daddies' babies. Fact.

But if you want to just argue policy, have at it, right? What's your argument? If it's about not grooming children I'm pretty sure that is the law. No consent, no sexy time.

So what policy? If you say weird gender ideas in front of the kids, I'm gonna post the front of Kiss Alive. I went to a Kiss concert in 1977.

And then I am going to repeat, it's not the plane, it's the pilot.

Ohhhhhkay. I'll bite.

Kiss wasn't trying to take your kids away if they say they're the opposite sex and you don't agree, which they are now doing in california and washington state. They actually think you're an abusive parent if you don't just go along with it.

Imagine if those insane hippie cat ladies who think crystals will cure your scoliosis got into state government and made it an actual crime not to treat your child with crystal shakra therapy. That's the level of nutso this is, and I think as adults we should be able to talk about it.

So that, among many other things, is "modern transgender ideology" in my view.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Ohhhhhkay. I'll bite.

Kiss wasn't trying to take your kids away if they say they're the opposite sex and you don't agree, which they are now doing in california and washington state. They actually think you're an abusive parent if you don't just go along with it.

So that, among many other things, is "modern transgender ideology" in my view.

Wait. Qiestion one. Who are they, and why are they getting involved in a family dispute?

Children beyond puberty have very bad fights with parents and a youth can bring suit for emancipation. We do grant, in other words, that a legal dependent can become alienated from the parent.

In the case of divorced parents this gets even worse and some of these cases you mention might be rooted in custody battles. Just saying.

A court can rule for the emancipation of a young person for many reasons. Are you saying none of those examples can [or should] stem from gender conflict w/ the parents?

(cut for ease of use)

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

So let's say I am born to a conservative religious family and I am forbidden from dating outside my faith. But I love Mormons, not Buddhists.

I move to Utah. They welcome me. I fall in love. My family tries to stop the wedding because I am 17. I ask a judge for emancipation and a friend of my would-be wife's family agrees to adopt me and be my guardian to grant the required permission to marry.

Is that morally wrong for the government to facilitate this?

[aussenseiter]

Wait. Qiestion one. Who are they, and why are they getting involved in a family dispute?

Children beyond puberty have very bad fights with parents and a youth can bring suit for emancipation. We do grant, in other words, that a legal dependent can become alienated from the parent.

In the case of divorced parents this gets even worse and some of these cases you mention might be rooted in custody battles. Just saying.

A court can rule for the emancipation of a young person for many reasons. Are you saying none of those examples can [or should] stem from gender conflict w/ the parents?

(cut for ease of use)

Do we grant that the state may keep the whereabouts of a minor child from their parents under any other circumstances?

Besides for abortion, obviously.

[Botten]

Ohhhhhkay. I'll bite.

Kiss wasn't trying to take your kids away if they say they're the opposite sex and you don't agree, which they are now doing in california and washington state. They actually think you're an abusive parent if you don't just go along with it.

Imagine if those insane hippie cat ladies who think crystals will cure your scoliosis got into state government and made it an actual crime not to treat your child with crystal shakra therapy. That's the level of nutso this is, and I think as adults we should be able to talk about it.

So that, among many other things, is "modern transgender ideologyk" in my view.

So GOP who didn’t have problem with transgender didn’t go off the deep end until their Christian base needed to be whip back into a frenzy to prevent further die off of the religion.

We have conservatives calling normally born Cis 9 year old girls transgender at events because their little girl didn’t win.

…incident left her daughter, who is not transgender, “hysterically crying” and unable to compete in the shot put final.

Starr’s former partner Heidi described the incident to CTV News:“His wife started yelling that my ex-wife and I– parents of my daughter– and other parents of trans kids were genital mutilators and groomers, and the man himself began demanding to see a certificate proving my daughter was born a girl.”

Josef Tesar and his wife Krista, who attended the event to see their granddaughter compete, were asked to leave by other parents. In a statement to local media, Tesar denied he ever confronted the nine-year-old.

“As I was walking away from the official, a woman said ‘I’m her mother’ and [she was] yelling, and swearing at me and offering if I want to see [the girl] naked, or if I want to see her genitals,” he said.“I said ‘No, the certificate is OK.’ That’s all I said. I never pointed to another girl and said she’s obviously trans.”

The incident happened the day before the girl’s 10th birthday.

“Fortunately, the day after it all happened she had her birthday party with her soccer team and then another party with her mom, so she’s been quite distracted,” said Starr. “But the same time, it’s really hit her hard.”

It is not free speech when it is clearly hate speech that a couple got banned for chanting at a 9 year old at a sporting event.

And the FL failed law wasn’t just about trans children it was aimed at all Trans rights in that state.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/17/politics/desantis-signs-anti-trans-bill/index.html

The CA law was aimed at repeated individuals constantly referring to the same person with the wrong pronouns and name. Not one time offenders. It combats bullying more than anything. It combats hate speech.

It is just sad for the GOP party to nickname something like Trump does to push collective hate.

[aussenseiter]

It is not free speech when it is clearly hate speech

Hate speech is free speech

[Botten]

Hate speech is free speech

Until you incorporate fighting words

[aussenseiter]

Until you incorporate fighting words

Snyder v Phelps, Brandenberg v Ohio

No more tricking with Canadian news, kapische?

[Botten]

Snyder v Phelps, Brandenberg v Ohio

No more tricking with Canadian news, kapische?


Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire (1942) has merit, when a unanimous Supreme Court issued a categorical exception to the First Amendment’s freedom of speech clause.

What conservatives aren't in Canada now? Seems like a far stretch.
There was a particularly bad one in New Zealand who idolized Trump and did some horrendous things.

[aussenseiter]

Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire (1942) has merit, when a unanimous Supreme Court issued a categorical exception to the First Amendment’s freedom of speech clause.

If the n word isn't fighting words, what is?

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Hate speech is free speech

It can be chargeable tho. Simple disturbin' o' the peace fines can pile up fast.

Let's mix it up. Let's sub in the word "dog speech" for both free speech and hate speech. Can dogs bark? Yes. Will they? Yes, usually. Is it wrong to try to beat a dog so it does not bark?

There is debate. Complicated issue.

What if the dog is harmless, barely barks, no one is even complaining, just the owner wants a silent dog?

Excuse me, the owner what?

Dog owns you. Democracy 101.

[aussenseiter]

It can be chargeable tho. Simple disturbin' o' the peace fines can pile up fast.

Let's mix it up. Let's sub in the word "dog speech" for both free speech and hate speech. Can dogs bark? Yes. Will they? Yes, usually. Is it wrong to try to beat a dog so it does not bark?

There is debate. Complicated issue.

What if the dog is harmless, barely barks, no one is even complaining, just the owner wants a silent dog?

Excuse me, the owner what?

Dog owns you. Democracy 101.

Muzzle of Marmaduke

[Ooloo]

Afaik the black hebrew israelites who march around with signs containing all manner of hateful speech toward jews and white people are never included in the hate speech tent. Like with so many concepts the left embraces, it is ill-defined and also applied unequally. It's like they're actually trying to gin up hostility and resentment between different groups. They claim to champion "progress" while moving social relations precisely backward with nearly every policy they enact.

Are they dumb or malicious? That's always the question.

[booter]

show me the policies that have been enacted/pushed through by the progressive caucus that have *checks notes* moved progress backwards

all of your posts boil down to "i think every single person on the left does this thing that i hate" and it's tired lol

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Afaik the black hebrew israelites who march around with signs containing all manner of hateful speech toward jews and white people are never included in the hate speech tent. Like with so many concepts the left embraces, it is ill-defined and also applied unequally. It's like they're actually trying to gin up hostility and resentment between different groups. They claim to champion "progress" while moving social relations precisely backward with nearly every policy they enact.

Are they dumb or malicious? That's always the question.

It sure is. and remember. It's not the plane Ooloo. It's the pilot.

[Botten]

Afaik the black hebrew israelites who march around with signs containing all manner of hateful speech toward jews and white people are never included in the hate speech tent. Like with so many concepts the left embraces, it is ill-defined and also applied unequally. It's like they're actually trying to gin up hostility and resentment between different groups. They claim to champion "progress" while moving social relations precisely backward with nearly every policy they enact.

Are they dumb or malicious? That's always the question.

I don’t know there’s a lot of white supremacist groups that happened to follow the ‘right’s-ideology

[Ooloo]

show me the policies that have been enacted/pushed through by the progressive caucus that have *checks notes* moved progress backwards

all of your posts boil down to "i think every single person on the left does this thing that i hate" and it's tired lol

Affirmative action, deployment of covid vaccines along racial lines, elected democrats advocating for a "white tax" on white business owners, policies on protests during covid based on whether they were pro-blm or anti-lockdown. Attributing *any* disparity between racial groups to racism (pejoratively known as the "racism of the gaps" theory, a reference to religious thinking among secular people). I mean, you're either willfully ignorant of this stuff or you just don't care.

This is where the "asteroid destroys earth: people of color most affected" meme comes from. I used to be mega-lefty myself, but this type of shit just became too blatant to ignore. I encourage you to join me in sane person land, comrade.

[Homesteaded]

The CA law was aimed at repeated individuals constantly referring to the same person with the wrong pronouns and name. Not one time offenders. It combats bullying more than anything. It combats hate speech.

From the bill:
3011. (a) In making a determination of the best interests of the child in a proceeding described in Section 3021, the court shall, among any other factors it finds relevant and consistent with Section 3020, consider all of the following:
(1) (A) The health, safety, and welfare of the child.
(B) As used in this paragraph, the health, safety, and welfare of the child includes a parent’s affirmation of the child’s gender identity.

So if the parent doesn't affirm a mentally ill kids gender identity, the state can and will take your kid.

Here is a fun read about how successful the state was at "helping" this poor girl. That story should rip your heart out.

Los Angeles Trans Teen Suicide (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/mother-of-transgender-teenager-los-angeles-county-killed-my-daughter)

[aussenseiter]

show me the policies that have been enacted/pushed through by the progressive caucus that have *checks notes* moved progress backwards

all of your posts boil down to "i think every single person on the left does this thing that i hate" and it's tired lol

They tried to raise the SALT cap.

Bazinga

[Homesteaded]

Affirmative action, deployment of covid vaccines along racial lines, elected democrats advocating for a "white tax" on white business owners, policies on protests during covid based on whether they were pro-blm or anti-lockdown. Attributing *any* disparity between racial groups to racism (pejoratively known as the "racism of the gaps" theory, a reference to religious thinking among secular people). I mean, you're either willfully ignorant of this stuff or you just don't care.

This is where the "asteroid destroys earth: people of color most affected" meme comes from. I used to be mega-lefty myself, but this type of shit just became too blatant to ignore. I encourage you to join me in sane person land, comrade.

IRS Targeting conservative groups

[Ooloo]

From the bill:
3011. (a) In making a determination of the best interests of the child in a proceeding described in Section 3021, the court shall, among any other factors it finds relevant and consistent with Section 3020, consider all of the following:
(1) (A) The health, safety, and welfare of the child.
(B) As used in this paragraph, the health, safety, and welfare of the child includes a parent’s affirmation of the child’s gender identity.

So if the parent doesn't affirm a mentally ill kids gender identity, the state can and will take your kid.

Here is a fun read about how successful the state was at "helping" this poor girl. That story should rip your heart out.

Los Angeles Trans Teen Suicide (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/mother-of-transgender-teenager-los-angeles-county-killed-my-daughter)

Don't worry, I'm sure Botten will have a great reason why this is totally not real, but also if it IS real it's actually a good thing.

This is where the slippery slope arguments come from, and why they are valid. It started as "How does what goes on in my bedroom affect you??" to "Tell your son he's a girl or we'll take him away".

Comply with every half-baked social theory we support or you'll lose your kids, but remember- we're just minding our own business here!

[Homesteaded]

I'm not sure why they taught us that Slippery Slope isn't real, it's very real and we're slippin the days away.

[Botten]

From the bill:
3011. (a) In making a determination of the best interests of the child in a proceeding described in Section 3021, the court shall, among any other factors it finds relevant and consistent with Section 3020, consider all of the following:
(1) (A) The health, safety, and welfare of the child.
(B) As used in this paragraph, the health, safety, and welfare of the child includes a parentÂ’s affirmation of the childÂ’s gender identity.

So if the parent doesn't affirm a mentally ill kids gender identity, the state can and will take your kid.

Here is a fun read about how successful the state was at "helping" this poor girl. That story should rip your heart out.

Los Angeles Trans Teen Suicide (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/mother-of-transgender-teenager-los-angeles-county-killed-my-daughter)

I get it why Baler would have fallen for the misinformation but OMG did you even research your linked article? Of course the Washington Examiner would skew the real story.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/washington-examiner/
Bias Rating: RIGHT
Factual Reporting: MIXED

Entering foster care at 15 and later returned to the family at 19.

“Andrew [Yaeli’s trans name] M.’s death must be met with urgency to provide youth, including transition-age youth in foster care, identified as LGBTQ+ with support and resources to live proud, productive, happy lives,” reads a motion proposed by Los Angeles County supervisors Hilda Solis and Sheila Kuehl. Solis and Kuehl pledged to “create and implement prevention and intervention services that minimize family rejection when such services are necessary.”

The implication, which conveniently absolves them of all accountability, is that Yaeli’s family is the reason she killed herself.


So you thought it was the transition that killed the troubled child now adult? What ?! Really?

The family they went back to rejected them.

Note that was all in California.

The FL law was never really about protecting children it was introducing a path to go after all transgender’s rights in FL. Which DeSantis desperately tried too.

https://www.businessinsider.com/desantis-authorizes-slew-of-anti-trans-laws-in-florida-2023-5?op=1

FL is suffering from many of DeSantis’s bad ideas and posturing.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Affirmative action, deployment of covid vaccines along racial lines, elected democrats advocating for a "white tax" on white business owners, policies on protests during covid based on whether they were pro-blm or anti-lockdown. Attributing *any* disparity between racial groups to racism (pejoratively known as the "racism of the gaps" theory, a reference to religious thinking among secular people). I mean, you're either willfully ignorant of this stuff or you just don't care.

This is where the "asteroid destroys earth: people of color most affected" meme comes from. I used to be mega-lefty myself, but this type of shit just became too blatant to ignore. I encourage you to join me in sane person land, comrade.

I have seen enough. You are either doing some first rate forum larping that will cost you brain cells, and I respect that, or you are a monument to moment lock.

"I mean, you're either willfully ignorant of this stuff or you just don't care."

No. Go back and read what you just said this about. No way those are my only two options here. The paragraph I am quoting from sounds like someone who ran into a house of mirrors, and is winded, and says, "Why are these mirrors so messed up? You have to be either willfully ignorant of what it's like in here or just not care."

You see where this leaves your audience, choice-wise?

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

I'm not sure why they taught us that Slippery Slope isn't real, it's very real and we're slippin the days away.

That's the point. It isn't real. But bullshit artists sell it as one of their classic fallacies.

A fallacy is like a donut hamburger. Kinda funny, but if you make it a habit the joke's on you.

Then you get posters who post lard filled dumps, and who cry about double standards because the community wants to make a distinction at that juncture.

[aussenseiter]

I get it why Baler would have fallen for the misinformation but OMG did you even research your linked article? Of course the Washington Examiner would skew the real story.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/washington-examiner/
Bias Rating: RIGHT
Factual Reporting: MIXED



So you thought it was the transition that killed the troubled child now adult? What ?! Really?

The family they went back to rejected them.

Note that was all in California.

The FL law was never really about protecting children it was introducing a path to go after all transgender’s rights in FL. Which DeSantis desperately tried too.

https://www.businessinsider.com/desantis-authorizes-slew-of-anti-trans-laws-in-florida-2023-5?op=1

FL is suffering from many of DeSantis’s bad ideas and posturing.

Is it that the state will take your child or that the state will keep your child from you? 🤪

[Evia]

Our society has gone completely insane
Even worse, we have people who call this progress and defend it

[Duik]

Ahh yes, the battle of somantics.
No substance, all "Well, that depends on your definition of the" kinda stuff.
Try this snowflakes, say your piece, if ya get banned/modded, get down from the slippery soapy box 'pon which you stand. Find another home cause whatever it is you are spouting aint welcome here.
This same technique can be used ANYWHERE.
You may not like it, but you dont have to.
Clearly something here has changed. You may wanna do the same. Post location, not your opinions.
General Warning. Look out for nazis, groomers and communists.

[Botten]

Our society has gone completely insane
Even worse, we have people who call this progress and defend it

Private forum they can do what they want and if you think about it even Twitter limits their speech making the most government concession this year alone compared to any other year.

https://restofworld.org/2023/elon-musk-twitter-government-orders/

Listening to echo chambers has only told you to think you are trapped.
There is no one out to get you calm down.

[Botten]

Is it that the state will take your child or that the state will keep your child from you? 🤪

Conspiracies are fun to play in, no?

[Raj]

Our society has gone completely insane
Even worse, we have people who call this progress and defend it

Calm down! The world/greater power is only needlin you my friend. :cool:

Smoke a doobie and put on some good tunes once in awhile, or have a visit with an old friend you haven't seen or spoken with for awhile. ;)

Sometimes life is all about the little things (the ones that really make you feel good).

[aussenseiter]

Conspiracies are fun to play in, no?

https://media.tenor.com/E6rZtG4HCroAAAAC/its-fun-to-do-bad-things-bad-things.gif

[Homesteaded]

I get it why Baler would have fallen for the misinformation but OMG did you even research your linked article? Of course the Washington Examiner would skew the real story.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/washington-examiner/
Bias Rating: RIGHT
Factual Reporting: MIXED



So you thought it was the transition that killed the troubled child now adult? What ?! Really?

The family they went back to rejected them.

Note that was all in California.

The FL law was never really about protecting children it was introducing a path to go after all transgender’s rights in FL. Which DeSantis desperately tried too.

https://www.businessinsider.com/desantis-authorizes-slew-of-anti-trans-laws-in-florida-2023-5?op=1

FL is suffering from many of DeSantis’s bad ideas and posturing.

They took her from her family because they didn't support their child embracing mental illness. She received testosterone from the state. When she was an adult she committed suicide. The story is the story bud, sorry you don't like it but it's fucked up that a state can take your kid because you don't let them cut their dick off.

I notice you didn't chime in on the fact that the CA bill IS in fact allowing the state to take a kid from parents. You're a disease.

[Homesteaded]

Our society has gone completely insane
Even worse, we have people who call this progress and defend it

Amen

[aussenseiter]

I looked and the bill Homesteaded was citing is about custody hearings after a divorce or separation.

Fucking Prots.

Djlc6uHTVmY

[Ekco]

.

>be in 4chan humor thread.
>see this image.
>wtf

https://i.imgur.com/x8cLEXW.jpg

[Botten]

They took her from her family because they didn't support their child embracing mental illness. She received testosterone from the state. When she was an adult she committed suicide. The story is the story bud, sorry you don't like it but it's fucked up that a state can take your kid because you don't let them cut their dick off.

I notice you didn't chime in on the fact that the CA bill IS in fact allowing the state to take a kid from parents. You're a disease.

Would not call the longing feelings to change gender a mental illness.
Family should love their child unconditionally.

The Washington examiner and your recount is missing context. Valuable context. It speaks volumes when no matter how abysmal the foster home was it was not until they addressed the family 4 years later as an adult that they chose to kill themselves from the feelings of rejection.

The Child didnÂ’t accept the beliefs impressed on them by their family. It Made the child psychologically unsafe to stay with the parents. If you noticed twisting it into something it is not to enrage the right is just wrong.

Intolerable of change or disgust for others can be seen as regression.

Education is the best way to fix a lot of this. Thank god Gen Z got much more of it than their parents generation.

Transgender can be found all over the globe. Older Americans never had a problem with it until their Christian base needed another renergizing crusading narrative pushed on them by their political party.

Being more welcoming of others who are different leads in general to happiness. Stomp out the hate.

[Botten]

Amen

Christianity presses beliefs on to others. Being unable to indoctrinate another into the religion can make those of that religion look down on others in disgust or confusion.

[Homesteaded]

Christianity presses beliefs on to others. Being unable to indoctrinate another into the religion can make those of that religion look down on others in disgust or confusion.

Nope, you’re wrong. People press ideas on others.

[Homesteaded]

I looked and the bill Homesteaded was citing is about custody hearings after a divorce or separation.

Fucking Prots.

Djlc6uHTVmY

You’re wrong, it’s about custody of a child. The state can assume custody if you don’t affirm your child’s chosen gender. Spin again bucko

[Homesteaded]

Would not call the longing feelings to change gender a mental illness.
Family should love their child unconditionally.

The Washington examiner and your recount is missing context. Valuable context. It speaks volumes when no matter how abysmal the foster home was it was not until they addressed the family 4 years later as an adult that they chose to kill themselves from the feelings of rejection.

The Child didnÂ’t accept the beliefs impressed on them by their family. It Made the child psychologically unsafe to stay with the parents. If you noticed twisting it into something it is not to enrage the right is just wrong.

Intolerable of change or disgust for others can be seen as regression.

Education is the best way to fix a lot of this. Thank god Gen Z got much more of it than their parents generation.

Transgender can be found all over the globe. Older Americans never had a problem with it until their Christian base needed another renergizing crusading narrative pushed on them by their political party.

Being more welcoming of others who are different leads in general to happiness. Stomp out the hate.

Love doesn’t mean you embrace mental illness. As an alcoholic, if my family just said “oh that’s just how he is, he sometimes drinks too much. We just need to accept him and his illness, we shouldn’t judge him. It’s just who he is”

This would not help and it would not be love.

[Homesteaded]

No one is denying or saying trans people shouldn’t exist. It was classified correctly in human history as a mental illness, up until a few minutes ago. The issue is people claiming 6 year olds are trans. Quit with your fabricated idea of what people are saying.

The story from LA is a great example. But you’re spinning your narrative and I’ll spin mine. I suspect the foster home was not great for this girls mental health. It culminated in her suicide due to years of untreated mental illness.

It’s insane that people sit here and defend giving teenage girls testosterone and then claim there are no negative effects. It’s absurd.

[Ekco]

Would not call the longing feelings to change gender a mental illness.


can call it or not call it whatever you want, it's still a gender identity disorder. and the Venn diagram of it and other mental problems is rarely not a single circle.

https://i.imgur.com/cfIsSyD.jpg

[Duik]

Nope, you’re wrong. People press ideas on others.

Parts of many religious texts extoll the virtues of "spreading the word".
The crusades. Mostly violently.
Going to 3rd world countries spreading the word. Mostly peacefully.
Mormon missionaries. Mostly annoying.
Im sure the islam faith does something similar...
So sure, be pedantic and say people force their faith, opinions and ideas on others but it is largely at the behest of ones faith that it is done.
Time to get serious folks.
Sorry, forgot its Mod99.
Play on, players!

Oh, and almost forgot. Jim Trusty was a tRump lawyer?
Bahhhhhaaaaaa, this shit writes itself.

tRump: Jim, you dont wanna be my lawyer anymore?
Jim: No Don, I have a name to uphold.
I fucking kill me.

[magnetaress]

Earth is already dead. Only satan is free now.

[Botten]

Love doesn’t mean you embrace mental illness. As an alcoholic, if my family just said “oh that’s just how he is, he sometimes drinks too much. We just need to accept him and his illness, we shouldn’t judge him. It’s just who he is”

This would not help and it would not be love.

Substance abuse and believing or identifying as a different gender are two different things.

Ironically if we labeled belief as a mental illness then I guess Christianity could be seen as just that too.

Do you wanna label Christianity a mental illness?

[Homesteaded]

You anti God folks love to claim religious people push ideas on others, as if that’s something unique to religion.

These gender freak proponents will call people bigots and lead charges to get people cancelled if they won’t let a 46 year old man with a schwanz change in the women’s locker room. If they think men shouldn’t compete with women in sports. Definitely not forcing ideas on anyone.

Don’t believe a 6 year old can know what gender they are? Bigot

It’s insane and these ideas are corrosive.

They have made tradition taboo. They are dimwits who believe they are sage like. The reality is it’s an incredibly lazy world view. Which essentially boils down to “why should I care what other people do. Let them live their life. Who am I to judge?(unless you disagree then get the flogger).”

None of this is false, this is all true. Probably catch a ban for speaking the truth.

Dark times friends.

I’ll continue to pray for Gods will.

[Homesteaded]

Substance abuse and believing or identifying as a different gender are two different things.

Ironically if we labeled belief as a mental illness then I guess Christianity could be seen as just that too.

Do you wanna label Christianity a mental illness?

Yes, they are different. That’s why they have different names. Did you know that not all mental Illness goes by the same name? So like I could be mentally ill, if that could mean I am depressed, or it could be I think I’m a cat. Both mental illnesses.

Do you not believe alcoholism is a mental Illness?

[Botten]

You anti God folks love to claim religious people push ideas on others, as if that’s something unique to religion.


The Bible says if you aren't following Christianity it isn't pleasant.

John 3:36: “He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
Timothy 2:5: “For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus.”
John 5:12: “He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.”

Glad you relate most things a mental illness rather than a belief.
You are right David koresh and his followers did have a mental illness; now what did they believe in again?

[magnetaress]

Satan *won*, if you are g-dly you aren't posting on the forums you are in deep prayer and meditation for G-d to return and end the charade of this life and are willing to sacrifice yourself in his name.

[magnetaress]

ya alcoholism is a mental illness but ppl can live years with it that doesn't make them bad ppl either - it just means society is unclean and unwilling to look after ppl, maybe we should have less expectations from society tho and place more upon ourselves and instead of demanding ppl solve problems we start solving our own - as g-d says to do

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

can call it or not call it whatever you want, it's still a gender identity disorder. and the Venn diagram of it and other mental problems is rarely not a single circle.

https://i.imgur.com/cfIsSyD.jpg

Actually, you should look into how prostate cancer is treated this day. Used to be quite the death sentence!

Oh dear this thread just got *very complicated*.

You gonna take the pills? Will you?

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

And its not disorder anymore. That's 1970's terminology. It's atypicality, dysphoria, dysmorphia, or to use the term that the community itself says is ok, queer.

I am in rl life like Parker Posey ended up in Party Girl. It baffles me people can't just figure out a consensually satisfying organization and categorization system.

Since I *do not* think people are that stupid, I have to think it is a hint of animus.

Venn diagrams overlap. You don't have to get all "or do they?" about it. Just be plain.

[aussenseiter]

You’re wrong, it’s about custody of a child. The state can assume custody if you don’t affirm your child’s chosen gender. Spin again bucko

Ultimate bozo research:

3020.

(a) The Legislature finds and declares that it is the public policy of this state to ensure that the health, safety, and welfare of children shall be the court’s primary concern in determining the best interests of children when making any orders regarding the physical or legal custody or visitation of children. The Legislature further finds and declares that children have the right to be safe and free from abuse, and that the perpetration of child abuse or domestic violence in a household where a child resides is detrimental to the health, safety, and welfare of the child.

(b) The Legislature finds and declares that it is the public policy of this state to ensure that children have frequent and continuing contact with both parents after the parents have separated or dissolved their marriage, or ended their relationship, and to encourage parents to share the rights and responsibilities of child rearing in order to effect this policy, except when the contact would not be in the best interests of the child, as provided in subdivisions (a) and (c) of this section and Section 3011.

(c) When the policies set forth in subdivisions (a) and (b) of this section are in conflict, a court’s order regarding physical or legal custody or visitation shall be made in a manner that ensures the health, safety, and welfare of the child and the safety of all family members.

(d) The Legislature finds and declares that it is the public policy of this state to ensure that the sex, gender identity, gender expression, or sexual orientation of a parent, legal guardian, or relative is not considered in determining the best interests of the child.

3021.

This part applies in any of the following:

(a) A proceeding for dissolution of marriage.

(b) A proceeding for nullity of marriage.

(c) A proceeding for legal separation of the parties.

(d) An action for exclusive custody pursuant to Section 3120.

(e) A proceeding to determine physical or legal custody or for visitation in a proceeding pursuant to the Domestic Violence Prevention Act (Division 10 (commencing with Section 6200)).

In an action under Section 6323, nothing in this subdivision shall be construed to authorize physical or legal custody, or visitation rights, to be granted to any party to a Domestic Violence Prevention Act proceeding who has not established a parent and child relationship pursuant to paragraph (2) of subdivision (a) of Section 6323.

(f) A proceeding to determine physical or legal custody or visitation in an action pursuant to the Uniform Parentage Act (Part 3 (commencing with Section 7600) of Division 12).

(g) A proceeding to determine physical or legal custody or visitation in an action brought by the district attorney pursuant to Section 17404.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

ya alcoholism is a mental illness but ppl can live years with it that doesn't make them bad ppl either - it just means society is unclean and unwilling to look after ppl, maybe we should have less expectations from society tho and place more upon ourselves and instead of demanding ppl solve problems we start solving our own - as g-d says to do

Jerry was a stone junkie from around 1980 on, and you are gonna tell me he did not periodically still rock?

Get the fuck out of here. Even iceberg Jerry could rock.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJXuRYMqhIE
MJXuRYMqhIE

Some of ya'll need to turn it up.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

You anti God folks love to claim religious people push ideas on others, as if that’s something unique to religion.



Only a fool is anti God
Being anti God is identical to being anti future
Anti religious is different than being anti God
Some religions dream of no more future


All four of these axioms are provable.

Give me your top four. And be able to prove them.

[Ooloo]

Ultimate bozo research:

I think the takeaway is that "gender identity" (which is not some objective, measurable thing) shouldn't play any role whatsoever in any legal determination over custody, which it now can in CA.

To say nothing of the washington law where runaway shelters don't have to even notify parents if a 12 year old shows up and says they ran away because their parents won't affirm them. The rationale for said law is that such parents are neglectful and constitute a "harmful environment" for the child.

I swear some of this jargon is getting so exhausting to use, people talk about "gender identity" as if it's part of your anatomy or something. It's like how religious people talk about a "soul"- they can't quite point to where it is, but just trust them it's in there.

[Lune]

You anti God folks love to claim religious people push ideas on others, as if that’s something unique to religion.

These gender freak proponents will call people bigots and lead charges to get people cancelled if they won’t let a 46 year old man with a schwanz change in the women’s locker room. If they think men shouldn’t compete with women in sports. Definitely not forcing ideas on anyone.

Don’t believe a 6 year old can know what gender they are? Bigot

It’s insane and these ideas are corrosive.

They have made tradition taboo. They are dimwits who believe they are sage like. The reality is it’s an incredibly lazy world view. Which essentially boils down to “why should I care what other people do. Let them live their life. Who am I to judge?(unless you disagree then get the flogger).”

None of this is false, this is all true. Probably catch a ban for speaking the truth.

Dark times friends.

I’ll continue to pray for Gods will.

I've been some form of atheist or agnostic since I was 5 years old being dragged into church. You think I liked being forced to huddle with my football team while they pray to some dumbfuck fairytale delusion before every game? Being forced to sit there and listen to my friends' families, roommates, etc thank a literal deity for their food every time I joined them for dinner?

Talk about "insane", "freaks", "dimwits", but you know what? As dumb as it all was, I accepted them, and I didn't hold it against them. People are allowed to do things you think are stupid or delusional, they are allowed to be different. So I am closer to Jesus than you will ever be.

It's not a lazy worldview, it's literally the worldview of Jesus lol. Jesus was a smart man, warning us that those who profess to be the most pious would be the most wicked. I don't know what kind of twisted cult you're part of but it's not Christianity

Also:

Don’t believe a 6 year old can know what religion they are? Bigot

[Evia]

When I was 6 I wanted to be a dragon and I believed in Santa and the Easter bunny.


But yeah I definitely knew a complex concept about my gender identity and that I was absolutely certain I should have a sex change....at 6... Because of course that's a sane and logical stance. :rolleyes: don't be a bigot guys

[aussenseiter]

I think the takeaway is that "gender identity" (which is not some objective, measurable thing) shouldn't play any role whatsoever in any legal determination over custody, which it now can in CA.

To say nothing of the washington law where runaway shelters don't have to even notify parents if a 12 year old shows up and says they ran away because their parents won't affirm them. The rationale for said law is that such parents are neglectful and constitute a "harmful environment" for the child.

The sleight of hand is irksome and inclines me to disagree from spite.

[Homesteaded]

I wasn’t saying anti religious or anti god is dimwitted. That was more about the current leftist doctrine.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Stop saying you are going to get banned. This is a productive thread. The people who got banned just dumped posts, didn't engage. Just posted the same feed-shit. Autoflush. People are writing bots to do that. You can tell, b/c they don't engage.

It's not the plane...

[Homesteaded]

Imagine bragging about being certain of God’s lack of existence at the age of six. Zero chance you planted that into your identity and couldn’t imagine altering it, because you know, pride.

[Botten]

When I was 6 I wanted to be a dragon and I believed in Santa and the Easter bunny.


But yeah I definitely knew a complex concept about my gender identity and that I was absolutely certain I should have a sex change....at 6... Because of course that's a sane and logical stance. :rolleyes: don't be a bigot guys

Echo chambers aren’t healthy to follow.

Fact check: 5-year-olds can “take hormones and change their sex.”
No, young children cannot take hormones or change their sex

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/mar/05/viral-image/no-young-children-cannot-take-hormones-or-change-t/

Further more the story of Ella Hindsley is one without transgender drugs. Her change in pronouns came after a decision from parents the child and Councilor.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/mum-throws-gender-re-reveal-22310412

[Ooloo]

Echo chambers aren’t healthy to follow.

Fact check: 5-year-olds can “take hormones and change their sex.”
No, young children cannot take hormones or change their sex

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/mar/05/viral-image/no-young-children-cannot-take-hormones-or-change-t/

Further more the story of Ella Hindsley is one without transgender drugs. Her change in pronouns came after a decision from parents the child and Councilor.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/mum-throws-gender-re-reveal-22310412

Lmao politifact. FACT CHECK: Most people who call themselves fact checkers are blatantly partisan activists. Most adults with rational faculties can figure out what is or isn't true without the magic fact checkers.

Are you familiar with jazz jennings? How do you feel about what happened in that case?

[Botten]

Lmao politifact. FACT CHECK: Most people who call themselves fact checkers are blatantly partisan activists. Most adults with rational faculties can figure out what is or isn't true without the magic fact checkers.

Are you familiar with jazz jennings? How do you feel about what happened in that case?

We know since you feel others should research for you I don’t expect any fact checking.

[misterbonkers]

When I was 6 I wanted to be a dragon and I believed in Santa and the Easter bunny.


But yeah I definitely knew a complex concept about my gender identity and that I was absolutely certain I should have a sex change....at 6... Because of course that's a sane and logical stance. :rolleyes: don't be a bigot guys

i know you don't believe women exist because they don't ever want to be around you, but they do, unlike the others. hope this helps :D

[unsunghero]

Are you familiar with jazz jennings? How do you feel about what happened in that case?

There are supposedly far more adult “sex change” success stories than failures. And two things that are definitely NOT a factor in this ratio are people being reluctant to vocalize their failures due to a lack of support, and the information simply being suppressed and not broadcast by anyone other than the right-wing

I would say due to the risk of complications that literally EVERYONE understands and accepts, adult success stories are more likely to happen the less surgery involved

[Ooloo]

We know since you feel others should research for you I don’t expect any fact checking.

Cool. Do you think what happened to jazz jennings is ethical or unethical?

[Ekco]

God save the Queen, man

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1669831949991706625?s=20

[Botten]

Cool. Do you think what happened to jazz jennings is ethical or unethical?

Her transgender transition was a success but she suffers from binge eating? I don’t get it? She said she identifies as pan sexual? How is any of that a problem?

[Ooloo]

Her transgender transition was a success but she suffers from binge eating? I don’t get it? She said she identifies as pan sexual? How is any of that a problem?

Well see I think 11 year olds "consenting" to being put on puberty blockers is completely insane.

Thank you for stating your position on the issue though.

[Ekco]

Her transgender transition was a success

“All I want is to be happy and feel like me, and I don’t feel like me, ever.”

sad, many such cases.

Following the initial surgeries, Jennings gained over 100 pounds through binge eating and experienced a range of mental health disorders. Jennings’ mother, Jeanette, deflected theories that those difficulties were caused by the penile inversion vaginoplasty and argued that Jazz had long experienced mental health issues.

yep, no connection whatso ever...

[Ooloo]

The misdirection that always happens is that people will say I "hate" jazz jennings, when I actually just hate his completely batshit insane mother.

"I have a trans child!!" is like a pet owner declaring that they have a vegan cat. Somebody made that decision but it wasn't the cat.

[Ekco]

the one without kids to abuse turn to animals instead.
https://i.imgur.com/4sfGTpd.jpg

[Botten]

The misdirection that always happens is that people will say I "hate" jazz jennings, when I actually just hate his completely batshit insane mother.

"I have a trans child!!" is like a pet owner declaring that they have a vegan cat. Somebody made that decision but it wasn't the cat.


Ekco blame the long standing mental disorder the child has been suffering from.

While Ooloo blames the mother.

It sure makes sense without a degree to claim it was the transition surgery that caused the bingeing disorder.

Sure sounds like others outside the family without a degree knows best.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

This is just all kinds of messed up though. I don't get it.

Do you know how fucked up people can get? Take a random selection of panhandlers or other various people on the edge, and do a forensics of how they got from point A to B.

Human pinball machines, humanity is a pinball machine for lots of souls, and why the hell are we arguing whether we could have saved Jazz if only she didn't get the tranny idea in her head?

This is idiocy. There are literally dozens of people within a mile radius from me who are fucking gone for some reason.

Some Bobby ain't right business is the least of our worries in any kind of reality that isn't way, way, way too obsessed with the inner sex mind of kids, and what they can and cannot "imagine yet."

This is a kink thread, isn't it? I knew it.

I've been to clubs that do this kind of stuff. "Worry clubs." Everyone puts on a sad mask and "worries" and shit gets very weird.

I've seen kids who get into worrying. Parents encourage it, that's the sick part.
https://i.imgur.com/A2uWcu3.jpg

It's hard to survive being raised by a worried mind.

[Ooloo]

Ekco blame the long standing mental disorder the child has been suffering from.

While Ooloo blames the mother.

It sure makes sense without a degree to claim it was the transition surgery that caused the bingeing disorder.

Sure sounds like others outside the family without a degree knows best.

What? The binging disorder is kind of not the issue at hand, it's the let's cut your perfectly healthy genitals off issue, rendering you sterile for the rest of your life. The doctors who did that to a perfectly healthy boy, as well as his parents who allowed it and then profited off it in the form of a reality show are completely insane and deserve all the ridicule they get.

None of that bothers you? You don't see a problem?

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

People get messed up for lots of reasons. Cults are nasty. Unless you are Smart.
https://i.imgur.com/a5e4yvE.jpg

[Botten]

None of that bothers you? You don't see a problem?

None of it bothers me.
And there are entire countries that have legions of transgender citizens. With freedoms to make these decisions.

It is time to adapt, accept and progress.

[arvidez]

nature is conservative. leave it to man to tell nature she is wrong. shut up nature and let man mansplain your creation to you. the pilot belongs to the plane and nobody survives because mother can be a bitch.

[Homesteaded]

None of it bothers me.
And there are entire countries that have legions of transgender citizens. With freedoms to make these decisions.

It is time to adapt, accept and progress.

Legions of trans, so laughable. Also, this is America, we aren’t “some other country”. We’re king dick slinger, we don’t mirror what these other loser counties do. We knock. Get with the program.

[Ooloo]

None of it bothers me.
And there are entire countries that have legions of transgender citizens. With freedoms to make these decisions.

It is time to adapt, accept and progress.

Well that's pretty fucked up! Kids can't make these decisions. There are legal distinctions that separate kids and adults for a very good reason. Leave kids out of it and I wouldn't really have a problem, although I'd still find it pretty insane. But it's a free country.

It's time to accept the fact that kids can't possibly make an informed decision to sterilize themselves and permanently alter their bodies for any reason, which is why I brought up jazz jennings. And you kinda showed your cards on that one. Yikes-aroo.

[Botten]

Legions of trans, so laughable. Also, this is America, we aren’t “some other country”. We’re king dick slinger, we don’t mirror what these other loser counties do. We knock. Get with the program.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/trans-population-by-country

Top 12 Countries With the Highest Rate of Transgender Individuals*:

Germany— 3% of 83,294,633
Sweden— 3% of 10,612,086
India— 2% of 1,428,627,663
Hungary— 2% of 10,156,239
Argentina— 2% of 45,773,884
Brazil— 2% of 216,422,446
Russia— 2% of 144,444,359
Canada— 2% of 38,781,291
Australia— 2% of 26,439,111
Spain— 2% of 47,519,628
England (United Kingdom)— 2% of 67,736,802
Chile— 2% of 19,629,590

That is a total of about 40,026,762 transgender people from influencing countries.

Thought both GOP and Democratics are not interested in policing the globe.

Besides it is time to adapt, accept others and progress.

The Pope did! Good Christians don’t ignore the pope.

Pope Francis calls for end to anti-gay laws and LGBTQ+ welcome from church (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/25/pope-francis-calls-for-end-to-anti-gay-laws-and-lgbtq-welcome)

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

nature is conservative. leave it to man to tell nature she is wrong. shut up nature and let man mansplain your creation to you. the pilot belongs to the plane and nobody survives because mother can be a bitch.



https://i.imgur.com/dhf3aTC.jpg

That's adaptive mutation in a nutshell. Right?

[Botten]

Well that's pretty fucked up! Kids can't make these decisions. There are legal distinctions that separate kids and adults for a very good reason. Leave kids out of it and I wouldn't really have a problem, although I'd still find it pretty insane. But it's a free country.

It's time to accept the fact that kids can't possibly make an informed decision to sterilize themselves and permanently alter their bodies for any reason, which is why I brought up jazz jennings. And you kinda showed your cards on that one. Yikes-aroo.

The decisions are made by the child, parents, doctors and counselors. It isn’t just the decision of the child.

And the transgender population in the US has been around for decades it hasn’t been until the Christian base who recently needed to be re-energized by the GOP party; due to declining interest, made it and issue.

Echo chambers, Facebook feeds, blue bird forum misinformation and fakenews has yet again asked the conservative voters to target yet another group to bully and limit their freedoms.

[aussenseiter]

England (United Kingdom) — 2% of 67,736,802


1,354,736

UK Says 262,000 People Identifed as Transgender in Census (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-06/transgender-population-uk-census-shows-gender-identity-in-england-and-wales#xj4y7vzkg)

[aussenseiter]

Besides it is time to adapt, accept others and progress.

The Pope did! Good Christians donÂ’t ignore the pope.

Pope Francis calls for end to anti-gay laws and LGBTQ+ welcome from church (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/25/pope-francis-calls-for-end-to-anti-gay-laws-and-lgbtq-welcome)

https://i.imgur.com/d5grh0U.png

[Lune]

Whether 11 year olds should be on puberty blockers should be up to their doctor/psychiatrist/endocrinologist, not the state. Just as whether a child should be Christian, Rastafari, or atheist should be between them and God/the universe.

You don't want the libertarianism you claim to profess, though, you hate these people and you want them to act like you.

I fairly confident the best evidence is that changing your 11 year old's 'sex' would be only for very extreme cases, but what do I know, I'm not a psychiatrist.

[Botten]

1,354,736

UK Says 262,000 People Identifed as Transgender in Census (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-06/transgender-population-uk-census-shows-gender-identity-in-england-and-wales#xj4y7vzkg)

Two sites have conflicting information.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/trans-population-by-country

But still moot because legion means 1000 and 262,000 is still in the thousands which some have a contention with.

[Botten]

https://i.imgur.com/d5grh0U.png

Good thing it isn’t the Bible but the pope saying it is time to be more accepting.

[aussenseiter]

Two sites have conflicting information.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/trans-population-by-country

But still moot because legion means 1000 and 262,000 is still in the thousands which some have a contention with.


Germany— 3% of 83,294,633


2,490,000

The German Society for Transidentity and Intersexuality estimates the number of transgender and intersex people in Germany at between 210,000 and 500,000 people.

Your site is obvious malarkey, my good chum.

[aussenseiter]

Good thing it isn’t the Bible but the pope saying it is time to be more accepting.

You still good, Blood? (https://nypost.com/2023/03/11/pope-francis-gender-ideology-is-one-of-most-dangerous-ideological-colonizations/)

“Gender ideology, today, is one of the most dangerous ideological colonizations,” Francis said in the conversation.

Amid his remarks, Francis said there needed to be a distinction between a legal crime and a religious sin with regard to homosexual practices: “It’s not a crime. Yes, but it’s a sin. Fine, but first, let’s distinguish between a sin and a crime.”

[Botten]

You still good, Blood? (https://nypost.com/2023/03/11/pope-francis-gender-ideology-is-one-of-most-dangerous-ideological-colonizations/)

Opinions about the pope’s decision exist.

[unsunghero]

I think it’s only inspiring and not at all coincidental when LGBTQIA+ parents happen to have a trans kid

It’s definitely due to genetics, not conditioning

[Duik]

LETS TALK ABOUT ANYTHING BUT TRUMP BEING INDICTED.
WE'RE WORRIED THAT TRANS KIDS WILL DESTROY THE US AND A BUT WE COULDNT GIVE TWO SHITS IF THOSE SAME KIDS DIE FROM GUNSHOT WOUNDS AT SCHOOL OR THE RAINBOW DISPLAY AT TARGET.
BUT TRANS KIDS WE FEAR. ESPECIALLY IF IT HAS ZERO TO DO WITH US.
LOOK OVER THERE, A GIRL WITH SHORT HAIR ENTERING THE GIRLS TOILET.
F.U.D WINS. GOODO.

[unsunghero]

Speaking of genetics, there’s some theories floating around that some chemicals introduced in utero causes parts of the brain to become more like the opposite gender, similar to the chemicals in utero theory for autism

I am not sure if I believe it, because it stresses this as a recent phenomenon, but transgenders have been around a fairly long time, just not at these numbers. Remember before they were called transvestites, which I guess is considered a slur now. I only mention it as a historical reference here btw, not trying to get banned

[Ekco]

BUT WE COULDNT GIVE TWO SHITS IF THOSE SAME KIDS DIE FROM GUNSHOT WOUNDS AT SCHOOL

we're trying in Texas

Gov. Greg Abbott signed HB 3 into law mandating all public schools to have at least one armed security officer or armed school personnel at each public school campus statewide.

need more good guys with guns, can't expect bullet proof backpacks to do all the work.

and other important issues

Regulation of “sexually explicit materials” in public schools (HB 900)
Schools much teach students about fentanyl abuse and risks (HB 3908)
Bans “sexually oriented performances” while children on premises (SB 12)
Ban on transgender athletes (SB 15)
Ban on Diversity, Equity and Inclusion offices at public universities (SB 17)

we'll let ya'll know how the experiment goes.

[Homesteaded]

They routinely conflate what is being said and what they can make an easier argument for. Kids being conditioned is the issue. Pretending that hormone therapy isn’t causing irreparable changes is beyond foolish.

[Lune]

I am not sure if I believe it, because it stresses this as a recent phenomenon, but transgenders have been around a fairly long time, just not at these numbers. Remember before they were called transvestites, which I guess is considered a slur now. I only mention it as a historical reference here btw, not trying to get banned

I'm not sure about this, back in Roman/Greek times they was fucking everybody, boys, girls, boygirls, eunuchs, man ass. During The Year of the Three.. Four? Emperors, several different prospective Emperors fought over the same castrated femboi as a signifier of right to rule. Til the Christians came along

[Botten]

They routinely conflate what is being said and what they can make an easier argument for. Kids being conditioned is the issue. Pretending that hormone therapy isnÂ’t causing irreparable changes is beyond foolish.

Kids who feel gay or identify with the other gender have always been around. There is no conditioning. Remember those anti-gay camps setup by Christians? Those never worked. Sexual preference is not conditionalized.

Teaching kids about reproduction or the fact there is nothing wrong with being transgender doesn’t make more transgender kids. They have always been there. It is simply education leading more importantly to tolerance.

It is tolerance of transgenders, like it increasingly came for gays, that makes Christian’s feel threatened and want it stopped. I find it ludicrous Christian feel gay or transgenders threat the numbers of their base simply because they believe it goes against their almighty Bible.

Maybe the reason the pope embraced LGBTq was because he knew if the Christian belief continued down the path of hate towards these groups the religion would die out faster than it already is.

[Trexller]

I'm not sure about this, back in Roman/Greek times they was fucking everybody, boys, girls, boygirls, eunuchs, man ass. During The Year of the Three.. Four? Emperors, several different prospective Emperors fought over the same castrated femboi as a signifier of right to rule. Til the Christians came along

there's a pattern there

when your entire civilization becomes obsessed with sex, gender, hedonism, sexual gratification etc

your society inevitably collapses

we had a couple hundred good years

see ya'll on the other side

[aussenseiter]

I'm not sure about this, back in Roman/Greek times they was fucking everybody, boys, girls, boygirls, eunuchs, man ass. During The Year of the Three.. Four? Emperors, several different prospective Emperors fought over the same castrated femboi as a signifier of right to rule. Til the Christians came along

Okay but the Romans thought it was good entertainment to force a human to fight a lion and also they crucified A LOT of humans also.

[aussenseiter]

Greeks had the Brazen Bull(among other things), absolute savage and brutal depravity.

Lune cooked. 💯

[Ooloo]

Kids who feel gay or identify with the other gender have always been around. There is no conditioning. Remember those anti-gay camps setup by Christians? Those never worked. Sexual preference is not conditionalized.

Teaching kids about reproduction or the fact there is nothing wrong with being transgender doesn’t make more transgender kids. They have always been there. It is simply education leading more importantly to tolerance.

It is tolerance of transgenders, like it increasingly came for gays, that makes Christian’s feel threatened and want it stopped. I find it ludicrous Christian feel gay or transgenders threat the numbers of their base simply because they believe it goes against their almighty Bible.

Maybe the reason the pope embraced LGBTq was because he knew if the Christian belief continued down the path of hate towards these groups the religion would die out faster than it already is.

The entire premise is ridiculous. You can't "feel like a woman" in a man's body because you aren't a woman. You have nothing to compare it to. It's like saying you feel like a swede born into the body of a german.

And I don't really care what eccentric people choose to do with their lives, provided it doesn't harm anyone else. The problem arises when you start putting male sex offenders in women's prisons because they "identify" as women. Or sports. Or locker rooms. Or bathrooms. It's batshit crazy and we're supposed to accept it why?

[aussenseiter]

Maybe the reason the pope embraced LGBTq was because he knew if the Christian belief continued down the path of hate towards these groups the religion would die out faster than it already is.

Uh he said it's a sin but shouldn't be criminalized in modern secular society.

The Holy Apostolic church is in schism as to whether the latter should be allowed to exist.

[Botten]

Greeks had the Brazen Bull(among other things), absolute savage and brutal depravity.

Lune cooked. ��

There is no physical evidence for the existence of a brazen bull. The first mention of the brazen bull comes from the Greek lyric poet Pindaros of Thebes (lived c. 518 – c. 438 BC)

Pindaros was not even born until about a generation after Phalaris’s death and we have no evidence to indicate that he had never seen the brazen bull himself, so his testimony is only rumor. Furthermore, the very first full-length, detailed description of the legend of the brazen bull comes from even later—from the Greek historian Diodoros Sikeliotes (lived c. 90 – c. 30 BC) in his book Universal History.

It is therefore highly doubtful that the brazen bull ever existed at all…

https://talesoftimesforgotten.com/2019/11/11/why-most-so-called-medieval-torture-devices-are-fake/

[Duik]

But he said to them, “Not everyone can accept this teaching, but only those to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let anyone accept this who can.”
—Matthew 19:11–12

[aussenseiter]

There is no physical evidence for the existence of a brazen bull. The first mention of the brazen bull comes from the Greek lyric poet Pindaros of Thebes (lived c. 518 – c. 438 BC)

Pindaros was not even born until about a generation after Phalaris’s death and we have no evidence to indicate that he had never seen the brazen bull himself, so his testimony is only rumor. Furthermore, the very first full-length, detailed description of the legend of the brazen bull comes from even later—from the Greek historian Diodoros Sikeliotes (lived c. 90 – c. 30 BC) in his book Universal History.

It is therefore highly doubtful that the brazen bull ever existed at all. Furthermore, even if it did exist…

https://talesoftimesforgotten.com/2019/11/11/why-most-so-called-medieval-torture-devices-are-fake/

Do you know what revisionism is?

Voltaire never said anything. That's why he's famous.

[unsunghero]

there's a pattern there

when your entire civilization becomes obsessed with sex, gender, hedonism, sexual gratification etc

your society inevitably collapses

we had a couple hundred good years

see ya'll on the other side

Agree

Also, I personally don’t see it as healthy to use transitions in gender or sexual preference as some sort of makeshift life transition, at least not solely. I think it’s therapeutic to move, to change one’s friend group, to pursue a new career, life changes like this that take effort to be used as a therapeutic new beginning. Declaring that you are the opposite gender or all of a sudden attracted to something else takes zero effort. I think there is temptation especially among the young and already on the LGBT “spectrum” to use gender fluidity as some sort of attempt at therapeutic life change

Also, I think too many people build too much of their self-worth around something that again, is not a skill, trade, or craft, something that takes no effort. I think in the long run despite how much the government will force society to praise it, it will ring hollow when it comes to making someone feel better mentally, and especially at building their self esteem. I sort of see someone using their gender identity or sexuality as an attempt at mental or personal development the same way I see someone using watching tv shows or playing video games. These things take no effort, and you cannot get better at doing them (at least in the video games, not enough to make it a career)

Now, depending on the person, sometimes a gender transition can take a lot of effort when we factor fashion, surgeries, and the like. And I’ll give that a bit of a nod towards effort and skill building. But I still am not convinced that these are the adequate substitute for real life changes and personal development that many want them to be, and that becomes a factor in their long term mental health. And society encourages this by showering them with praise, attention, and sometimes money for something that would previously take a lot of effort and skill to garner

[unsunghero]

^
But ultimately, this grievance is a minor one. I just got a sense of it listening to compilations of Tik Toks of young people giving monologues about their development into a new sexuality or gender. They seem to be people who appear to be struggling in other areas, and I bet deep down wanting some life change

[Duik]

But wont somebody think of the indicted X president!

[arvidez]

https://i.imgur.com/dhf3aTC.jpg

That's adaptive mutation in a nutshell. Right?

Maybe on steroids. Feels more like the dominance over rather than an adaption to.

Science stands opposed to nature. It wants to conquer it.

[arvidez]

But wont somebody think of the indicted X president!

saw a video of him and Hillary singing a duet. It was a song from dirty dancing. It was wonderful. Made me feel good. Haters will call it fake.

[Duik]

Ha, i heard one of the trumpster singin im so indicted. People say its fake as well.

[Duik]

Im So Indicted (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OKcpLB30qc)

[Raj]

Haha, you people are so obsessed with trains. :p

This thread is supposed to be about Donald Trump my friends! Become trains men like my Uncle or make a new thread if you must continue to obsess over trains. :cool:

[Duik]

Raj, it wasnt funny when i didnt see it on redit, it continues to be unfunny here.

[Duik]

Train to EC tunnel.
Can hg's fit in there? Imma try it.

[unsunghero]

At least they proved that they’re not just going after white people who defend themselves and others from homeless career criminal crazies

Crazy homeless psycho punches this dude’s gf in the face, he tries to defend her, they get into a fight, he stabs homeless guy, on trial for defending himself

New York DA’s want their citizens to sit like gelded cows while the homeless crazies literally wail on them in public. It’s actually better to just get punched in the face, spit, or bit by a homeless crazy as long as it doesn’t kill you, versus try to defend yourself and then be facing prison time

Thank God I’m not in NY because I’m sorry I couldn’t do it

[Botten]

At least they proved that they’re not just going after white people who defend themselves and others from homeless career criminal crazies

Crazy homeless psycho punches this dude’s gf in the face, he tries to defend her, they get into a fight, he stabs homeless guy, on trial for defending himself

New York DA’s want their citizens to sit like gelded cows while the homeless crazies literally wail on them in public. It’s actually better to just get punched in the face, spit, or bit by a homeless crazy as long as it doesn’t kill you, versus try to defend yourself and then be facing prison time

Thank God I’m not in NY because I’m sorry I couldn’t do it

I don't know... Arizona isn't the best either

Tolleson is the most dangerous city in Arizona. Tolleson is located in Maricopa County, with a population of 7,216. The crime rate in Tolleson is 13,374 per 100,000. This makes the overall crime rate a whopping 470% higher than the national average. Residents have a 1 in 8 chance of becoming the victim of any type of crime.

Globe is also one of the most dangerous places to live in Arizona. Globe is located in Gila county and has a crime rate of 8,311 per 100,000 which is 254% higher than the national average. Out of a population of 7,249, residents have a 1 in 13 chance of becoming the victim of any type of crime. Since Globe lost much of its economy, which was based on mining, unemployment and poverty have been the driving forces behind the city’s crime.

Holbrook is another dangerous Arizona community that is located in Navajo county and has a population of 5,000. Even though Holbrook is located near several national parks and landmarks, the crime rate in this city is quite high. The crime rate in Holbrook is 7,120 per 100,000 people, which is 204% higher than the national average. Residents have a 1 in 15 chance of becoming the victim

Winslow has a crime rate of 4,861 incidents per 100,000 people, which is 107% higher than the national average. Residents have a 1 in 21 chance of becoming the victim.

Page has a population of 7,547. The crime rate in Page is 4,824 per 100,000, which is 106% higher than the national average. According to FBI statistics, in 2021, there were 52 violent crimes and 224 property crimes in the city.

Tempe is another one of the most dangerous cities in Arizona. Tempe struggles with violent crime stemming from gang activity in the city. Tempe has a population of 180,587 and a crime rate that is 73% higher than the national average. Violent crimes such as murders and robberies are common in Tempe. Crimes like car thefts and burglaries are the most common type of property crime. In 2022 there were 1,152 violent crimes and 7,672 property crimes in the city.

Tucson is another one of the worst areas in Arizona when it comes to high crime rates. Tucson has a population of 527,586 and a crime rate that is 69% higher than the national average. With a crime rate of 4,310 per 100,000 residents having a 1 in 24 chance of becoming the victim.

Kingman has a population of 32,689. Kingman has a crime rate of 3,923 per 100,000 people, which is 67% higher than the national average. Residents have a 1 in 26 chance of becoming the victim of any type of crime. In 2021 there were 134 violent crimes and 1,249 property crimes. BUT!! the good news is buying a home in Kingman costs only $115,400 on average, which is 38% lower than the national average.

Phoenix is Arizona’s largest city and has the highest crime rate by actual numbers. With a population of 1,555,324, Phoenix has a crime rate of 3,788 per 100,000 which is 61% higher than the national average. In 2022 the number of reported violent crimes was 13,776, and the number of property crimes was 55,850. Like many other large cities, Phoenix has problems with poverty and gang activity.

Of all the cities maybe Show Low would be best in Arizona....
Show Low has a population of 10,660 people. The city’s crime rate is 3,366 per 100,000, which is 43% higher than the national average. Residents have a 1 in 30 chance of becoming the victim of any type of crime. In 2021 there were 81 violent crimes and 282 property crimes.


Sure NY isn't great but wouldn't call many places in Arizona wonderful.

[unsunghero]

^
Of those, the first 5 are pretty remote

Tempe is the first big city, and I work in Tempe, there’s no gang issues there at all. Decent amount of homeless in Tempe and Phoenix, but the homeless here seem far less aggressive and violent than in NY, it seems like a cultural difference (not meaning ethnicity just behavior)

The legit dangerous places in az are south Phoenix, that DOES have a decent amount of gang activity, then places like Glendale, Metro, parts of Mesa, and especially Maryvale. But Maryvale is super poor and so most people have no business that would bring them there ever. I go there for work occasionally and keep my head on a swivel but have never had any problems even in Maryvale

But when I say I wouldn’t want to live in NY, it’s all about how I think a court would treat a self defense case. I never walk around armed (neither knife or gun), but my conscience will not allow me to watch a crazy dude assault someone or myself without attempting to stop it. The caveat is I would attempt to de-escalate with words first obviously, but I’m guessing that wouldn’t work

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Whether 11 year olds should be on puberty blockers should be up to their doctor/psychiatrist/endocrinologist, not the state. Just as whether a child should be Christian, Rastafari, or atheist should be between them and God/the universe.

You don't want the libertarianism you claim to profess, though, you hate these people and you want them to act like you.

I fairly confident the best evidence is that changing your 11 year old's 'sex' would be only for very extreme cases, but what do I know, I'm not a psychiatrist.

You're still being too rational for these goose chasers.

Countdown till someone posts that doctors are "in" on it....

What I like about history is, if you got a functional memory, you observe a) it moves on b) the trend is not backwards.

[aussenseiter]

You're still being too rational for these goose chasers.

Countdown till someone posts that doctors are "in" on it....

What I like about history is, if you got a functional memory, you observe a) it moves on b) the trend is not backwards.

You're aware doctors are licensed by the state, yes?

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Haha, you people are so obsessed with trains. :p

This thread is supposed to be about Donald Trump my friends! Become trains men like my Uncle or make a new thread if you must continue to obsess over trains. :cool:

Infrastructure and trains are a natural for the former president. But really, at this point who can stop the DeSantis train?

Mark my words. DeSantis is going to turn this "train" -- and by that I mean our country -- around.

[arvidez]

europe is backtracking..enough flipper babies for them

are the drs in on it? they are helpless to it.