14 Children and Teacher Killed in Texas Elementary School Shooting

[toolshed]

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/24/hospital-dead-shooting-at-uvalde-texas-elementary-school.html

"Fourteen students and one teacher were killed in a shooting Tuesday morning at a Texas elementary school, Gov. Greg Abbott said.

The suspected shooter, who might have had a handgun and a rifle, was fatally wounded in the law enforcement response to the attack at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, about 83 miles west of San Antonio, he said."

[Mblake1981]

It's a shame all these people have to die for some random groups bullshit politics. Firearms are not going anywhere no matter how many kids you kill in the name of a cult.

Edit: The media and internet-aussies tell me its because of the 2nd amendment, that has to go and these issues will stop... (oh boy terrorists want the guns again.. nothing new at all)

[Horza]

It's a shame all these people have to die for some random groups bullshit politics. Firearms are not going anywhere no matter how many kids you kill in the name of a cult.

Edit: The media and internet-aussies tell me its because of the 2nd amendment, that has to go and these issues will stop... (oh boy terrorists want the guns again.. nothing new at all)

The only cult here is the people worshipping a billionaire pedophile and calling it politics. Turn off Fox News, paste eating friend.

[Mblake1981]

Turn off Fox News, paste eating friend.

Tell me about Tuckers birkenstocks.

Inside Edition:

The only cult here is the people worshipping a billionaire pedophile and calling it politics.

Profane gonna be profane.

[Reiwa]

It's a shame all these people have to die for some random groups bullshit politics. Firearms are not going anywhere no matter how many kids you kill in the name of a cult.

Edit: The media and internet-aussies tell me its because of the 2nd amendment, that has to go and these issues will stop... (oh boy terrorists want the guns again.. nothing new at all)

Ok how bout we do like President Ronny and pass an assault rifle 15 ban? 🤔

[Mblake1981]

Ok how bout we do like President Ronny and pass an assault rifle 15 ban? ��

Wonky, if you are pulling my chain (sorry I took you literal). Please define an assault rifle. (that's a trick question)

[Reiwa]

Wonky, if you are pulling my chain (sorry I took you literal). Please define an assault rifle. (that's a trick question)

Did the Brady bill ban ARs?

[Mblake1981]

Did the Brady bill ban ARs?

Answering a question with a question is rude. Is a Ruger Mini-14 more dangerous than a Armalite Rifle Model X?

[Reiwa]

Answering a question with a question is rude. Is a Ruger Mini-14 more dangerous than a Armalite Rifle Model X?

I'm guessing this is a trick and they are the same thing

[Mblake1981]

[golf clap]

Your instincts serve you well.

[Elizondo]

Baby killers pretending to care about murdered children

Actual Rights written within The Constitution suddenly don't matter

[Reiwa]

Actual Rights written within The Constitution suddenly don't matter

Heller (2008) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller)

District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), was a landmark decision of the US Supreme Court ruling that the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution protects an individual's right to keep and bear arms, unconnected with service in a militia, for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home, and that the District of Columbia's handgun ban and requirement that lawfully owned rifles and shotguns be kept "unloaded and disassembled or bound by a trigger lock" violated this guarantee.

[Mblake1981]

[golf clap]

Your instincts serve you well.

It's like someone literally going after Chevrolet Corvettes because they have a LS engine in them. Then some random guy in the crowd stands up and asks about trucks and camaros, and the politician is like "What are those things?"

Random Guy #2 "Hey! what about flyin' miatas!?"
Politician "Sir, this isn't about planes."

[Reiwa]

It's like someone literally going after Chevrolet Corvettes because they have a LS engine in them. Then some random guy in the crowd stands up and asks about trucks and camaros, and the politician is like "What are those things?"

Random Guy #2 "Hey! what about flyin' miatas!?"
Politician "Sir, this isn't about planes."

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[Mblake1981]

https://i.imgur.com/dSCCBkY.gif

https://i.imgur.com/z8pTVZX.jpg

[Mblake1981]

0D7hFHfLEyk

[Trexller]

It's a shame all these people have to die for some random groups bullshit politics. Firearms are not going anywhere no matter how many kids you kill in the name of a cult.

Edit: The media and internet-aussies tell me its because of the 2nd amendment, that has to go and these issues will stop... (oh boy terrorists want the guns again.. nothing new at all)

This. 100% this.

just because you loony-lefties on this forum don't understand how interest groups can manipulate the actions of others, doesn't mean it won't happen.

You don't understand the transmission of electricity either, but you know it happens.

No amount of public shootings will ever change the nation's opinion on private gun ownership.

Nice try, globalist fucks.

[Reiwa]

This. 100% this.

just because you loony-lefties on this forum don't understand how interest groups can manipulate the actions of others, doesn't mean it won't happen.

You don't understand the transmission of electricity either, but you know it happens.

No amount of public shootings will ever change the nation's opinion on private gun ownership.

Nice try, globalist fucks.

no but really, did the 80s/90s weapon bans cover assault rifle 15s? 🤔

[Trexller]

no but really, did the 80s/90s weapon bans cover assault rifle 15s? ��

who gives a fuck?

First of all, AR stands for ARMALITE, the first company to produce an AR-15. There is no designation private or public in which AR translates to assault rifle.

I get it though, it works to your purpose, the same way that I insist that BLM stands for: Burn, Loot, Murder.

I'm a gun enthusiast and what I know about those bills is that they banned the sales of full auto weapons, which I righteously state that no citizen should have access too.

an AR-15 is a 70 year old design of a semi-auto rifle, nothing else. Originally, it was largely wooden, but they made it all metal, and painted it black, and now you're scared because you saw a guy blow people away in movies.

I could make a 5 round semi automatic deer rifle take a 30 round magazine.

you gonna ban my deer rifle, hippy? ok whatever, I'll take 5 black powder muzzleloaders, and make a crank handle gatling gun.

Many, Many, Many firearm designs are so simple that they can be manufactured in a garage, with tools AND materials purchased from Lowes or Home Depot.

Are you starting to understand that pandora's box is WIDE OPEN, and nothing that you do will ever put the genie back in the bottle?

You libtards don't even understand the argument that you're trying to have.

The only clear thought on the matter which you truly understand is: "I am scared of guns, and because im a coward, no real patriots should own guns"

[Reiwa]

who gives a fuck?

First of all, AR stands for ARMALITE, the first company to produce an AR-15. There is no designation private or public in which AR translates to assault rifle.

I get it though, it works to your purpose, the same way that I insist that BLM stands for: Burn, Loot, Murder.

I'm a gun enthusiast and what I know about those bills is that they banned the sales of full auto weapons, which I righteously state that no citizen should have access too.

an AR-15 is a 70 year old design of a semi-auto rifle, nothing else. Originally, it was largely wooden, but they made it all metal, and painted it black, and now you're scared because you saw a guy blow people away in movies.

I could make a 5 round semi automatic deer rifle take a 30 round magazine.

you gonna ban my deer rifle, hippy? ok whatever, I'll take 5 black powder muzzleloaders, and make a crank handle gatling gun.

Many, Many, Many firearm designs are so simple that they can be manufactured in a garage, with tools AND materials purchased from Lowes or Home Depot.

Are you starting to understand that pandora's box is WIDE OPEN, and nothing that you do will ever put the genie back in the bottle?

You libtards don't even understand the argument that you're trying to have.

The only clear thought on the matter which you truly understand is: "I am scared of guns, and because im a coward, no real patriots should own guns"

I'm scared because it's semiauto, not the brand name moron.

[Mblake1981]

and what I know about those bills is that they banned the sales of full auto weapons, which I righteously state that no citizen should have access to.

I do not, the mafia helped the Gov pass the first gun laws (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Valentine%27s_Day_Massacre). This was due in part to the temperance movement, the lady-driven holy war against men and their alcohol. Carrie Nation was a dry old bag with an axe. It was these laws that helped form organized crime in the USA, ladies are never accountable.

*I am still waiting on my fully legal, fully-automatic M60 machine gun with a small dump truck of affordable yet reliable armor piercing 7.62mm rounds. My reason is I don't need one, and if you are asking you might be a criminal.

[Trexller]

I'm scared because it's semiauto, not the brand name moron.

You're scared because you don't understand anything, from how to defend yourself, to how simple firearm access really is.

What would you prefer? Firearm registration at the time of purchase? or a bunch of crazy guys mass producing guns in their garages?

can you even imagine what I could do with a steel tube, raw cold rolled steel, and an air compressor? No you cant, you never thought about it. You haven't even asked: "how does one define a gun"

Google a flechette, then think about how simple that weapons system is. or consider that explosive materials are sold in the kitchen, tool and automotive section at wal-mart. This doesn't even cover radiological materials, which are found in thousands of products, collect enough of them and you can achieve nuclear criticality. People have done this.

Libtards are scared because they haven been instructed to be scared, because all libtards treat the MSM news as bible gospel. You've been told to be scared of AR-15s, when thousands of other items could kill you as easy, or easier.

You've been instructed to fear guns, because guns will prevent overt one-party communist rule.

[Kaveh]

How did you guys go on a pro gun rant before anyone ever said anything about gun control?

Politics aside, this is sad and I’m glad the shooter was killed and is burning in hell as we speak

[Mblake1981]

How did you guys go on a pro gun rant before anyone ever said anything about gun control?


conditioned response via media programming.

[Kaveh]

You're scared because you don't understand anything, from how to defend yourself, to how simple firearm access really is.

What would you prefer? Firearm registration at the time of purchase? or a bunch of crazy guys mass producing guns in their garages?

can you even imagine what I could do with a steel tube, raw cold rolled steel, and an air compressor? No you cant, you never thought about it. You haven't even asked: "how does one define a gun"

Google a flechette, then think about how simple that weapons system is. or consider that explosive materials are sold in the kitchen, tool and automotive section at wal-mart. This doesn't even cover radiological materials, which are found in thousands of products, collect enough of them and you can achieve nuclear criticality. People have done this.

Libtards are scared because they haven been instructed to be scared, because all libtards treat the MSM news as bible gospel. You've been told to be scared of AR-15s, when thousands of other items could kill you as easy, or easier.

You've been instructed to fear guns, because guns will prevent overt one-party communist rule.

“Leftists” accept election defeats. Republicans try to take over legislatures and AG offices to make sure that they don’t have to honor popular votes in swing states

/shrug, I think you’ve lost your way. Victor Orban and Tayyip Erdogan should not be the models for this country’s leadership, unless we desire to be poor and unemployed

[Mblake1981]

You're scared because you don't understand anything, from how to defend yourself, to how simple firearm access really is.

What would you prefer? Firearm registration at the time of purchase? or a bunch of crazy guys mass producing guns in their garages?

can you even imagine what I could do with a steel tube, raw cold rolled steel, and an air compressor? No you cant, you never thought about it. You haven't even asked: "how does one define a gun"

Google a flechette, then think about how simple that weapons system is. or consider that explosive materials are sold in the kitchen, tool and automotive section at wal-mart. This doesn't even cover radiological materials, which are found in thousands of products, collect enough of them and you can achieve nuclear criticality. People have done this.

Libtards are scared because they haven been instructed to be scared, because all libtards treat the MSM news as bible gospel. You've been told to be scared of AR-15s, when thousands of other items could kill you as easy, or easier.

You've been instructed to fear guns, because guns will prevent overt one-party communist rule.

I recall a time in my single-digit youth, standing in my friend Derek's kitchen, reading a sales ad for the Anarchist Cookbook.

[Trexller]

“Leftists” accept election defeats. Republicans try to take over legislatures and AG offices to make sure that they don’t have to honor popular votes in swing states

/shrug, I think you’ve lost your way. Victor Orban and Tayyip Erdogan should not be the models for this country’s leadership, unless we desire to be poor and unemployed

are you even a US citizen? eh whatev idc. just praying for a president with the balls to blow iran off the face of the earth. guess I'll settle for Israel.

[Trexller]

Libtards fear a crazy dude walking through a mall, taking aim and firing at individuals, when they have no idea how easy it is for someone to disperse a heavier-than-air gas cloud and then ignite it, which would kill everyone in the entire building from the pressure wave alone, BEFORE the shrapnel and fire can get to you.

What is even scarier, is that almost everyone owns a device that could do this. It's called a propane tank.

that's the sort of thing that scares ME

[Kaveh]

Yes it’s common knowledge that you guys fantasize about civil war and other opportunities for murder

Try to stay on topic. This is a horrific tragedy and shouldn’t be used for your political points

[Elizondo]

How did you guys go on a pro gun rant before anyone ever said anything about gun control?

Politics aside, this is sad and I’m glad the shooter was killed and is burning in hell as we speak

Bro Groomers are already screaming for Gun Control (Oxymoron) before the bodies have cooled

They do every time. It's a given. None of them have ever handled a gun either.

“Leftists” accept election defeats.

Hahahaha ... *takes breath*** AHHHHH hahahahahahaha ...

[Trexller]

Yes it’s common knowledge that you guys fantasize about civil war and other opportunities for murder

Try to stay on topic. This is a horrific tragedy and shouldn’t be used for your political points

you aren't qualified to speak on matters pertaining to US politics.

just work your H1B visa and keep sending american dollars to iranian terrorists.

[Mblake1981]

This is a horrific tragedy and shouldn’t be used for your political points

It is, but remember what you just said when/if you interact with any anti-gun activists after a tragedy. From my view, they are the worse offenders, not only are they reactionary but ultimately seek to worsen the safety of others but only for the best of reasons: emotions.

[Botten]

We can make it illegal to sell laser products with a power greater than 5 mW.

This can blind and or damage your skin.

But if you want to buy an AR-15 with a bump stock to mimic the feel of an automatic or you want to by a silencer it is all perfectly legal.

Elizondo played the card that democrats have no problem murdering unborn kids. Well it is only fair democrats get the means to prevent murder of children by guns. Unless Republicans just don’t care about kids once they are born. Oh right they don’t. Trying to prevent every single government program meant to feed or care for a born child. Any Republicans up for voting against a bill for formula for kids (what all of you)?

More successful lawsuits on gun makers please. One recent win isn’t enough.

17799

[Mblake1981]

We can make it illegal to sell laser products with a power greater than 5 mW.

This can blind and or damage your skin.

But if you want to buy an AR-15 with a bump stock to mimic the feel of an automatic or you want to by a silencer it is all perfectly legal.17799

The laser products are probably not protected under firearms law/2nd amendment. Maybe if you add a bump-stock and a silencer to the laser it will be OK. Heck, I might even like to purchase your tactical laser rifle.

[Kaveh]

you aren't qualified to speak on matters pertaining to US politics.

just work your H1B visa and keep sending american dollars to iranian terrorists.

I’m surprised you know where Iran is to be honest

[Kaveh]

It is, but remember what you just said when/if you interact with any anti-gun activists after a tragedy. From my view, they are the worse offenders, not only are they reactionary but ultimately seek to worsen the safety of others but only for the best of reasons: emotions.

I didn’t say anything about guns buddy

[Trexller]

We can make it illegal to sell laser products with a power greater than 5 mW.

This can blind and or damage your skin.

But if you want to buy an AR-15 with a bump stock to mimic the feel of an automatic or you want to by a silencer it is all perfectly legal.

Elizondo played the card that democrats have no problem murdering unborn kids. Well it is only fair democrats get the means to prevent murder of children by guns. Unless Republicans just don’t care about kids once they are born. Oh right they don’t. Trying to prevent every single government program meant to feed or care for a born child. Any Republicans up for voting against a bill for formula for kids (what all of you)?

More successful lawsuits on gun makers please. One recent win isn’t enough.

Fuck off, Goebbels.

You don't live here, you aren't qualified to speak on the matter. Do you hear me bitching about Germany STILL BUYING RUSSIAN GAS, THEREBY GERMANY IS FUNDING THE UKRAINE WAR!

No, you don't. I don't live in germany, its not for me to bitch about.

You show your ignorance everytime that you speak, a bump stock may be bought but it can also be made from bicycle parts

Also, No firearm sound suppression device is called a silencer, the term is "suppressor". NO device publicly available reduces a gunshot sound to any level that can't be heard under 200 meters. In effect, when an American purchases a suppressor and affixes it to their 5.56 rifle, the sound it generates is STILL LOUDER THAN A .22

If you want a firearm with actually effective sound suppression, It must be designed from the drawing board to have that effect.

You're a kraut, and H&K is a german company, but I bet you don't have a clue what the SD means in MP5-SD

[Jibartik]

God damn Anakin.

We need to outlaw sand to prevent this from happening again.

[Ooloo]

We can make it illegal to sell laser products with a power greater than 5 mW.

This can blind and or damage your skin.

But if you want to buy an AR-15 with a bump stock to mimic the feel of an automatic or you want to by a silencer it is all perfectly legal.

Elizondo played the card that democrats have no problem murdering unborn kids. Well it is only fair democrats get the means to prevent murder of children by guns. Unless Republicans just don’t care about kids once they are born. Oh right they don’t. Trying to prevent every single government program meant to feed or care for a born child. Any Republicans up for voting against a bill for formula for kids (what all of you)?

More successful lawsuits on gun makers please. One recent win isn’t enough.

17799

Thanks for the iceburn meme, george carlin. It was dumb then and it's dumb now.

Since insane people murder people with guns sometimes, I guess let's on-purpose kill babies? What?

[Botten]

Thanks for the iceburn meme, george carlin. It was dumb then and it's dumb now.

Since insane people murder people with guns sometimes, I guess let's on-purpose kill babies? What?

Look it is Baler everyone! With his but whatabout insane people! But not both no no no … guns are okay. Time to break out your Ben Shapiro brainwashed means of arguing.

[Jibartik]

If the younglings had pistols the molten lead would splash through the light saber and have stopped anakin.

[Ooloo]

Look it is Baler everyone! With his but whatabout insane people! But not both no no no … guns are okay. Time to break out your Ben Shapiro brainwashed means of arguing.

If somebody breaks into your house in the middle of the night to kill you be sure to tell them to hold on 10 minutes for the cops to get there, with their guns, to help you first.

[Botten]

Fuck off, Goebbels.

You don't live here, you aren't qualified to speak on the matter. Do you hear me bitching about Germany STILL BUYING RUSSIAN GAS, THEREBY GERMANY IS FUNDING THE UKRAINE WAR!

No, you don't. I don't live in germany, its not for me to bitch about.

You show your ignorance everytime that you speak, a bump stock may be bought but it can also be made from bicycle parts

Also, No firearm sound suppression device is called a silencer, the term is "suppressor". NO device publicly available reduces a gunshot sound to any level that can't be heard under 200 meters. In effect, when an American purchases a suppressor and affixes it to their 5.56 rifle, the sound it generates is STILL LOUDER THAN A .22

If you want a firearm with actually effective sound suppression, It must be designed from the drawing board to have that effect.

You're a kraut, and H&K is a german company, but I bet you don't have a clue what the SD means in MP5-SD

Showed a way back post showing I am from a blue state like Elizondo; not my problem you are stuck on this antisemitic need to make up German friends.

Let’s summarize what you said: yes you can buy bump stocks and silencers but can make them and you want to call them suppressors. Yeah thanks for agreeing with me we can buy these but not a laser that burns skin.

Get help man Pennsylvania should watch out for this gun nut also from Texas.

[Mblake1981]

I didn’t say anything about guns buddy

Buddy, you interjected to ask about why others were talking about guns, in which you were kindly answered. You then asked why this was done, you were also answered. You have made yourself part of the discussion, in which you have said nothing at all.

[Horza]

Fuck off, Goebbels.

You don't live here, you aren't qualified to speak on the matter. Do you hear me bitching about Germany STILL BUYING RUSSIAN GAS, THEREBY GERMANY IS FUNDING THE UKRAINE WAR!

No, you don't. I don't live in germany, its not for me to bitch about.

You show your ignorance everytime that you speak, a bump stock may be bought but it can also be made from bicycle parts

Also, No firearm sound suppression device is called a silencer, the term is "suppressor". NO device publicly available reduces a gunshot sound to any level that can't be heard under 200 meters. In effect, when an American purchases a suppressor and affixes it to their 5.56 rifle, the sound it generates is STILL LOUDER THAN A .22

If you want a firearm with actually effective sound suppression, It must be designed from the drawing board to have that effect.

You're a kraut, and H&K is a german company, but I bet you don't have a clue what the SD means in MP5-SD

This is exactly the kind of schizo posting that keeps me coming back to these forums again and again.

[Ooloo]

Botten you're just making the "why can't I buy an atomic bomb???" argument. Because limitations on owning some things makes sense, and for other things they don't. You can't buy a powerful laser that burns skin because there's absolutely no way to track who used it forensically, or about a billion other things that make it different than a gun, which is simply meant to equalize force between individuals.

A small, vulnerable woman might need a gun to defend herself against brock lesnar if he decides to become a rapist or something, ya know?

[Botten]

If somebody breaks into your house in the middle of the night to kill you be sure to tell them to hold on 10 minutes for the cops to get there, with their guns, to help you first.

Those persons with guns in the home were at greater risk than those without guns in the home of dying from a homicide in the home

https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/160/10/929/140858?login=false

[Elizondo]

Not surprising a kraut would be for grabbing guns

Worked out well for the jews in his country awhile back

[Ooloo]

Those persons with guns in the home were at greater risk than those without guns in the home of dying from a homicide in the home

https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/160/10/929/140858?login=false

Cool! I'm sure the exact same statistic is true for knives. You also totally avoided answering my point about equalization of force.

And yeah, you are correct I'm arguing like ben shapiro because on this specific topic, I think he's completely right. You're just playing the piers morgan role from his debate on this exact issue; you're pretending that people who think the right to bare arms is important don't care about kids being killed. Which is completely untrue, and also completely dishonest emotional manipulation.

[Botten]

Botten you're just making the "why can't I buy an atomic bomb???" argument. Because limitations on owning some things makes sense, and for other things they don't. You can't buy a powerful laser that burns skin because there's absolutely no way to track who used it forensically, or about a billion other things that make it different than a gun, which is simply meant to equalize force between individuals.

A small, vulnerable woman might need a gun to defend herself against brock lesnar if he decides to become a rapist or something, ya know?

A laser that burns the skin doesn’t level the playing field because… you know forensically and stuff? Burns the skin….

Seriously Baler?

Do you have any idea how many gun related homicides we have with no forensic available.

Oh and nukes.. good old Baler pulling the Ben Shapiro with but whatabout!!!!

[Horza]

Not surprising a kraut would be for grabbing guns

Worked out well for the jews in his country awhile back

Simultaneously calling Germans all Nazis and advocating violently overthrowing the government to install an obese pedophile as president for life.

[Mblake1981]

Wait, is this black forest troll literally asking why you can't buy nukes? lol..heck, even Gov's shouldn't have them but that cat is out of the bag. But these people are super trusting of their own gov (maybe because of racist skin color and heritage) and no way any one of theirs can do something stupid to his fellow man.. no history of that.. no history of absolutely butt-fucking 'white men' politically in America with any of that bullshit.. no way, none of that. Perversion doesn't breed in that area.

-I am supposed to be the hillbilly hick. Even I am not uneducated, stupid, ugly, purposefully dull and ignorant to ask such a question. What could drive a man from such a rich cultural background such as our fellow here to even ask such a question.

[Botten]

Simultaneously calling Germans all Nazis and advocating violently overthrowing the government to install an obese pedophile as president for life.

Well Elizondo is a Groomer after all.

[unsunghero]

Those persons with guns in the home were at greater risk than those without guns in the home of dying from a homicide in the home

https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/160/10/929/140858?login=false

Is it the having the gun or being black living in the hood that is the more dangerous thing here?

From the article:

“Homicide victims were mostly male, less than 35 years of age, and of racial or ethnic minority status”

That being said:

“Ryan Poston was alive for each of the six shots Shayna Hubers pumped into his body,” Burns told jurors…

"I shot him in the face. I gave him the nose job he wanted," she said at one point”

^
Your gun could be used against you by an angry friend, family member, or jealous gf. But this goes back to having it secure

[Elizondo]

Simultaneously calling Germans all Nazis and advocating violently overthrowing the government to install an obese pedophile as president for life.

JAN6!

Worse than 9/11, Pearl harbor, Hiroshima, Nagasaki and The Holocaust combined!

lawl

[Mblake1981]

JAN6!

Worse than 9/11, Pearl harbor, Hiroshima, Nagasaki and The Holocaust combined!

lawl

But none have slain more Americans than abortion.

[Elizondo]

But none have slain more Americans than abortion.

Nobody was even armed on JAN6!

Horza is an idiot

[Horza]

JAN6!

Worse than 9/11, Pearl harbor, Hiroshima, Nagasaki and The Holocaust combined!

lawl

If the jackboot fits.

[Mblake1981]

Nobody was even armed on JAN6!

Horza is an idiot

Who is yelling at the wall? I am not yelling at the wall! You are yelling at the wall!

[Rethalis]

We can make it illegal to sell laser products with a power greater than 5 mW.

This can blind and or damage your skin.

But if you want to buy an AR-15 with a bump stock to mimic the feel of an automatic or you want to by a silencer it is all perfectly legal.

Elizondo played the card that democrats have no problem murdering unborn kids. Well it is only fair democrats get the means to prevent murder of children by guns. Unless Republicans just don’t care about kids once they are born. Oh right they don’t. Trying to prevent every single government program meant to feed or care for a born child. Any Republicans up for voting against a bill for formula for kids (what all of you)?

More successful lawsuits on gun makers please. One recent win isn’t enough.

17799

Does a women's right to choose how she protects her body matter to you?

[Ooloo]

Having literally any dangerous object in your house increases the likelihood it might kill you, because what other result would you expect? Are people with knives in the house LESS likely to be killed with their OWN knife!? No of course not. But it's still extremely unlikely, and also completely up to the responsible adults in the room to safely secure their knives/lawnmowers/heavy paint cans/crazy kids who were raised by neglectful parents.

[Reiwa]

You're scared because you don't understand anything, from how to defend yourself, to how simple firearm access really is.

What would you prefer? Firearm registration at the time of purchase? or a bunch of crazy guys mass producing guns in their garages?

can you even imagine what I could do with a steel tube, raw cold rolled steel, and an air compressor? No you cant, you never thought about it. You haven't even asked: "how does one define a gun"

Google a flechette, then think about how simple that weapons system is. or consider that explosive materials are sold in the kitchen, tool and automotive section at wal-mart. This doesn't even cover radiological materials, which are found in thousands of products, collect enough of them and you can achieve nuclear criticality. People have done this.

Libtards are scared because they haven been instructed to be scared, because all libtards treat the MSM news as bible gospel. You've been told to be scared of AR-15s, when thousands of other items could kill you as easy, or easier.

You've been instructed to fear guns, because guns will prevent overt one-party communist rule.

No, it's the semiautomatic thing.

But I'm all for you trying to play newbie machinist and try to bore one out on your own. Much more likely to have you hurt yourself in doing so or have the gun you make explode, jam, or otherwise fail when you attempt to play minecraft irl with it.

[Mblake1981]

internet-aussies (https://twitter.com/AndreaC16831670/status/1529236269108121600)

From tiktok of all places, why would the CCP do this (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denunciation_rally)?

https://i.imgur.com/akMp8sD.png

[starkind]

How did you guys go on a pro gun rant before anyone ever said anything about gun control?

Politics aside, this is sad and I’m glad the shooter was killed and is burning in hell as we speak

conditioned response via media programming.

Yes it’s common knowledge that you guys fantasize about civil war and other opportunities for murder

Try to stay on topic. This is a horrific tragedy and shouldn’t be used for your political points

I didn’t say anything about guns buddy

Well. Folks. There you have it.

Good luck with the rest of 2022.

[Reiwa]

But none have slain more Americans than abortion.

Hmm this allows me to put personhood at birth certificate or social security number.

Nice... :)

[Mblake1981]

https://i.imgur.com/KaFK10J.jpg

Well. Folks. There you have it.

Good luck with the rest of 2022.

https://i.imgur.com/p7wyyha.jpg

[unsunghero]

Having literally any dangerous object in your house increases the likelihood it might kill you, because what other result would you expect? Are people with knives in the house LESS likely to be killed with their OWN knife!? No of course not. But it's still extremely unlikely, and also completely up to the responsible adults in the room to safely secure their knives/lawnmowers/heavy paint cans/crazy kids who were raised by neglectful parents.

Irresponsible gun ownership is worse than no gun ownership

Don’t leave your guns around to where your shitty maladjusted kid you’ve neglected all their life can get to them. Or at least, secretly remove the firing pin if so…so when the day comes that they go batshit crazy, they’ll run into the room saying “F you, dad!” while the gun clicks uselessly. Then you can ground them for trying to kill everyone

I also consider keeping your gun while suicidal is irresponsible use. Even without friends or family you can give it up to the police, who can keep it temporarily and give you a key or code to re-claim it. You could always just buy a new one if you really want to do it. It’s just a stalling game not keeping it in the house, but it can actually matter due to how our brain functions before and after a high emotional state, or whether intoxicants are in the house as well

[Reiwa]

Or at least, secretly remove the firing pin if so…so when the day comes that they go batshit crazy, they’ll run into the room saying “F you, dad!” while the gun clicks uselessly.

Then you can ground them for trying to kill everyone



I lol'd

[Kaveh]

Well. Folks. There you have it.

Good luck with the rest of 2022.

That was a response to trexler not Blake. I don’t think Blake wants Iran to be wiped off the map because he disagrees w/ me

Either way, I’m not against guns. I own many of them and I hunt. I’m just amazed that people take this of all opportunities to push the 2nd amendment. We all know why it’s there, but maybe read the room after 18+ 2nd graders were mowed down by a lunatic

[Jibartik]

It kind of offends me that biden had such a heartfelt speech about those kids that died today as an excuse to take our guns away but he literally just blew up a carload of kids a few months ago.

[Kaveh]

The border patrol agent who went to the scene and killed this ass hole is a hero. He’ll be in Valhalla one day

[Tethler]

But none have slain more Americans than abortion.

Pretty sure you don't get citizenship until birth. Abortions have killed 0 Americans.

[Mblake1981]

Pretty sure you don't get citizenship until birth. Abortions have killed 0 Americans.

It's documented or not.

[Domo]

https://i.imgur.com/iy0dQUT.jpg

[Toxigen]

shooter was a tranny

[Mblake1981]

https://i.imgur.com/iy0dQUT.jpg

And the german guy steps in the door to eventually talk about your guns, but first this funny social commentary meme.

https://i.imgur.com/rcPPobq.jpg

[Mblake1981]

Here Mitt is, waiting patiently on his turn to talk about the guns.

https://i.imgur.com/dXMgTtl.jpg

[Domo]

And the german guy steps in the door to eventually talk about your guns, but first this funny social commentary meme.

https://i.imgur.com/rcPPobq.jpg

I just want be part of this circlejerk :(

I might be an outsider, but Ive seen posts like this in the past many times. And we all know that nothing will change. This post and all the other posts on the internet related to this topic are just a vent. And thats ok.

- Nobody is going to take away any guns.
- Thoughts and prayers will be giving out by republicans.
- Democrats will give speeches about this topic
- Gun shops will sell more guns in next few weeks
- Gun lobby going to spend more money on politics and ads on NRA.tv
- celebritys going to share their opinion about it.
- media going to use 10 year old material and opinions over next few days
- in 1-2 weeks this topic will be dead as the people who got shot.

[Mblake1981]

I just want be part of this circlejerk :(

vAiqeB4p028

[Reiwa]

The border patrol agent who went to the scene and killed this ass hole is a hero. He’ll be in Valhalla one day

one Border Patrol agent who was working nearby when the shooting began rushed into the school without waiting for backup and shot and killed the gunman.

Good man.

[MrSparkle001]

We have this weird fetish with guns in the U.S.

Can't even ban them because few will turn them in and there are too many out there.

We also have a horrible track record with treating mental illness, which is what is causing these yearly mass shootings. It's not the guns, it's the fucked up kids. There are way, way more responsible gun owners that don't go out mass shooting people.

There is no solution to this. The guns are here to stay because there are too many rednecks that love their guns and hunting and other redneck shit.

But on the plus side, when Red Dawn happens it will be tougher to conquer the red states lol.

https://i.imgur.com/JufApkj.gif

[unsunghero]

The mental health system can’t prevent these kinds of things

There have been multiple mass shooters, including the one before this, that were detained temporarily in a psychiatric facility and questioned, then released

The ONLY shooters the mental health system can stop are ones too psychotic to understand the benefits of lying to professionals. So maybe someone like Jared Loughner could have been stopped if his university 51/50/Baker Act’d him. Or possibly the Aurora movie shooter could have been stopped that way, although he was functioning at a level where his brain could still comprehend the benefits of lying and do it convincingly

What have I said multiple times on these forums? For the mental health system to work, it requires the patient coming from a place of honesty. Honesty about what their thoughts are and what they have been doing. If someone lies, the entire system breaks down and cannot help them. And there is a lot of lying which makes the system seem impotent. Either lying to manipulate the system or lying to escape/avoid it

Someone with no criminal history with a low or higher IQ who is not psychotic and understands the benefits of lying cannot be prevented from doing something like a mass shooting

[Mblake1981]

20mBi8-QsSc

[Jibartik]

Maybe stop bullying each other as a way of life??????

44,000 videos of people getting into fights on airplanes in the last year.

People keep saying that in America we have the second amendment and in these other countries they don’t have the second amendment and they don’t have mass shootings will let me tell you something about those countries versus America in America I’m the fucking boss and you’re the fucking piece of shit idiot that works for me I don’t care who you are and I don’t care who I am I am the boss because this is America and there’s 320 million of me and all of you are my bitch.

That’s why we have so many of these shootings. Because we teach each other at age one to fight each other to get our way.

It’s survival of the fittest and some of unfit will just try to ruin the game when they’re losing.

You embrace Socialism you embrace taking care of people you embrace all that shit and you won’t have these mass shootings.

Maybe will not have all the amazing innovation we have in the United States like inventing Facebook and social media all the other bullshit that we invented with all of our amazing libertarian innovation!!

Meanwhile China built a small sun a year ago… and we use their social media. S m f h

[Botten]

There is no solution to this. The guns are here to stay because there are too many rednecks that love their guns and hunting and other redneck shit.


Just make it more wide spread to be able to sue a gun maker.

And take a page from the Texas anti-abortion bill. Anyone who sees another using a gun (who is not an on duty law enforcer) irresponsibly can sue for money.

People still have the right to bare arms but citizens help to police others and punish irresponsible gun manufacturers.

Done

But what if the person who had the gun gets killed and can’t be sue. This will happen but eventually less guns will be made by manufacturers since it won’t be worth it to make them. Parts seller providing key parts of a gun for manufacturer would be subject to be sued also. And ppl making your own guns go at it (they won’t be mass produced, probably faulty and you run the risk (if even given out) of being sued.)

[Jibartik]

guns are not the problem the problem is that everyone of us wants each other dead.

The leve of hate and viritol the people who want the killing to stop have, for me and anyone like me, is over the top.

[Botten]

guns are not the problem the problem is that everyone of us wants each other dead.

The leve of hate and viritol the people who want the killing to stop have, for me and anyone like me, is over the top.

So basically your doomer perspective... Nice Story Jib

[Jibartik]

So basically your doomer perspective... Nice Story Jib

dont give me that shit, you giving this shit to every stranger you can and insulting them and their personalities is why we have these mass shootings.

You got to stop with this "everyone is a vile scumbag, but what we need to do is get along"

Doomspeak is that the world is going to collapse

Saying YOUR American culture is causing mass shootings in America alone is not doomer, it's saying that americans have mental problems.

[Ooloo]

The predictable emotional exploitation that's already taking place is disgusting as always. Also the wall-to-wall media coverage because they can talk about gun control, cause hey it happened in texas and thats republican so therefor bad let's get our political opponents right now guys! Whereas that mass shooting that happened in nyc a couple weeks ago was out of the new cycle in five seconds, cause it isn't politically useful.

[Jibartik]

Its absolutly disgusting, listening to every single politican talk like they lost someone from their own family, like anyone actually gives a shit about this shit.

Like when I hear a parent talking about their kid they lost, that sounds sad, then when some news bitch says "ohhh that is so heart wrenching" ontop of it im like STFU!

Like, bro ukraine just got basically everyuthing short of nuked, world war 3, we wer ejust talking about how sad that made us. Listening to that little girl sing frozen from a bunker.

Now nobody cares about that anymore like it doesnt weigh heavy on their hearts like they were saying it did, and saying this does. It's all so phoney.

[Jibartik]

abbot on news right now says "there was no known mental health history"

But he did post pics of his guns and said "kids watch out" on social media lol

some people (doctors) might argue that is a sign of mental illness...

[Reiwa]

The predictable emotional exploitation that's already taking place is disgusting as always. Also the wall-to-wall media coverage because they can talk about gun control, cause hey it happened in texas and thats republican so therefor bad let's get our political opponents right now guys! Whereas that mass shooting that happened in nyc a couple weeks ago was out of the new cycle in five seconds, cause it isn't politically useful.

Nothing new to report. He was indicted on May 7.

2 weeks is indeed a month and a half.

[Ooloo]

Nothing new to report. He was indicted on May 7.

2 weeks is indeed a month and a half.

Ah, so the two shootings were covered the same then, good to know.

Why would people who rabidly want to ban guns put special focus on a shooting in republican texas am i right?? Nobody's gonna convince ME people are opportunistic snakes, especially politicians, no sir!

[Jibartik]

why after ukraine just pushed back russa with guns for months and during the fascist insurection of our country and goverment controlling of our bodies would people want to give up their guns I dont get all the major points of each political crisis connecting with each other, they just indicate that everything is random and nobody means anything they say.

[Jibartik]

crime is just high in america

"why cant we just get rid of crime!"

"lets have more law"

"NO lets get rid of guns, and I suspect that will get rid of crime also f you and f him and f everyone im angry you're all stupid and terrorists, everyone is an idiot im an american im the best shutup you all suck this is america the police are there to kill you run from them my boy never trust anyone over 30 dont trust anyone worlds religions colors races the suprime court is fascist you're fascist everyones fasicist gays straights cis trans everyone offends me you offend me im offended to my core its a moral issue its beyond religion it is religion this is a religious war!......"

"I wonder why there are people kiling people?"

[Reiwa]

Ah, so the two shootings were covered the same then, good to know.

Why would people who rabidly want to ban guns put special focus on a shooting in republican texas am i right?? Nobody's gonna convince ME people are opportunistic snakes, especially politicians, no sir!

Well that shooting took place April 12 so nearly a month of news on it until nothing new was happening as justice slowly runs its course.

[loramin]

“Leftists” accept election defeats. Republicans try to take over legislatures and AG offices to make sure that they don’t have to honor popular votes in swing states

/shrug, I think you’ve lost your way. Victor Orban and Tayyip Erdogan should not be the models for this country’s leadership, unless we desire to be poor and unemployed

[Ooloo]

Well that shooting took place April 12 so nearly a month of news on it until nothing new was happening as justice slowly runs its course.

Haha a month of news on it, because it occurred a month ago? I guess!

Beto Ororkue for some reason didn't chastise the governor of ny for not caring about people getting shot. Because he's a politically opportunistic dirtball, of course.

[loramin]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17799

[Jibartik]

Have they gotten his motive yet? I hear his grandma is still alive, I wonder if we're gonig to get to hear what they argued about leading up to this.

I think with him posting about this stuff on social media this could help push social media regulation.

It's one thing to assume someone who buys a gun is going to do something heinous, but if he posts a picture of guns on social media and says "watch out kids" then it's pretty safe to say that something's up.

[Jibartik]

Of course we could tax the rich and give basic income to the poor and alleviate some of all this hate and vitriol we have for each other but that's out of the question because it might cause inflation.

[loramin]

Someone with no criminal history with a low or higher IQ who is not psychotic and understands the benefits of lying cannot be prevented from doing something like a mass shooting

So did we not have criminals "with no criminal history with a low or higher IQ who is not psychotic and understands the benefits of lying" prior to the 1980's? And do other countries not have such criminals?

Because we didn't have mass shootings (of the modern variety) prior to that, and other countries have no such shootings, or far fewer (per capita) than us ... and those facts seem to directly contradict your point.

[loramin]

Of course we could tax the rich and give basic income to the poor and alleviate some of all this hate and vitriol we have for each other but that's out of the question because it might cause inflation.

Holy cow Jib, you sound like a liberal in that post! Come join the side of people trying to make the world a better place :)

[Ooloo]

So did we not have criminals "with no criminal history with a low or higher IQ who is not psychotic and understands the benefits of lying" prior to the 1980's? And do other countries not have such criminals?

Because we didn't have mass shootings (of the modern variety) prior to that, and other countries have no such shootings, or far fewer (per capita) than us ... and those facts seem to directly contradict your point.

This is horse shit. No, mass shootings are not even remotely unique to america, nor do they occur the most often per capita in america, unless you get REALLY specific and selective with which statistics you're including. In a country this large, they are still *extremely* rare, and there are FAR more defensive uses of guns to save lives every year than to commit violent crime.

Also as usual dems have nothing to say about their insanely violent cities that already have extremely tight gun laws.

Everyone agrees it's horrifically sad that this happened, it's just that's usually not a good time to draft policy. Human nature is nothing if not impulsive and short sighted.

[unsunghero]

So did we not have criminals "with no criminal history with a low or higher IQ who is not psychotic and understands the benefits of lying" prior to the 1980's? And do other countries not have such criminals?

Because we didn't have mass shootings (of the modern variety) prior to that, and other countries have no such shootings, or far fewer (per capita) than us ... and those facts seem to directly contradict your point.

Might have been cultural differences. And another factor as I’ve said before on this forum is how it is reported on, which takes an initial mass shooting to create motivation

When the news makes these people infamous, they inspire copycats. So IMO it is a combination of cultural changes and news reporting inspiring others to top the “body count” and become infamous themselves. This person appeared to have messaged people on social media posting pictures beforehand. They want to be seen

Don’t name them, localize the story, insult them in the story, don’t post body counts, don’t post manifestos

Or else, have fun with more mass shootings

[Jibartik]

Holy cow Jib, you sound like a liberal in that post! Come join the side of people trying to make the world a better place :)

https://i.imgur.com/Wyc7ZFI.png

https://i.imgur.com/wQbRlgk.png

https://i.imgur.com/rp23iDM.png

[Reiwa]

Haha a month of news on it, because it occurred a month ago? I guess!

Beto Ororkue for some reason didn't chastise the governor of ny for not caring about people getting shot. Because he's a politically opportunistic dirtball, of course.

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[Reiwa]

So did we not have criminals "with no criminal history with a low or higher IQ who is not psychotic and understands the benefits of lying" prior to the 1980's? And do other countries not have such criminals?

Because we didn't have mass shootings (of the modern variety) prior to that, and other countries have no such shootings, or far fewer (per capita) than us ... and those facts seem to directly contradict your point.

Definitions matter. The big ones are rare and do not represent the bulk of mass shooting statistics. See Sweden sex laws for analog.

[Kaveh]

This is horse shit. No, mass shootings are not even remotely unique to america, nor do they occur the most often per capita in america, unless you get REALLY specific and selective with which statistics you're including. In a country this large, they are still *extremely* rare, and there are FAR more defensive uses of guns to save lives every year than to commit violent crime.

Also as usual dems have nothing to say about their insanely violent cities that already have extremely tight gun laws.

Everyone agrees it's horrifically sad that this happened, it's just that's usually not a good time to draft policy. Human nature is nothing if not impulsive and short sighted.

What about compared to modern countries like Spain and Japan? If you exclude Yemen, Syria, and places like El Salvador, we’re pretty high up on the list

[Jibartik]

What about compared to modern countries like Spain and Japan? If you exclude Yemen, Syria, and places like El Salvador, we’re pretty high up on the list

people in spain and japan keep their personal lives to themselves instead of shoving it in everyones face because every single one of them thinks they're the big boss daddy like over here.

[unsunghero]

Definitions matter. The big ones are rare and do not represent the bulk of mass shooting statistics. See Sweden sex laws for analog.

Yeah definitions are everything, when you define a mass shooting as something like 3 or more victims from a single shooter then inner city gang violence are by far the bulk of them according to FBI statistics last I checked

But torture the data enough and it will yield the results you want. If you want to make a profile that mass shooters are unhinged white conservatives, I’m sure there’s a way to use data qualifiers to show this

[Jibartik]

Americans are ok with organized crime murders to the extent that they dont overflow into areas that are not dominated by the organized crime.

It was like that in the old days with the black hand, and even in the wild west with Jesse James and other ranchers killing each other.

When crime spills out of bad neighborhoods into good ones that's when the police start to do something about it.

The more organized the crime the more we're ok with it even, like for example the leaders of all nations are involved in an extremely large web of organized crime but it's so organized that we give most of it a full pass.

It's disorganized crime we hate.

[unsunghero]

When crime spills out of bad neighborhoods into good ones that's when the police start to do something about it.


If people are expected to die, like gang members, cops or soldiers, no one bats an eye. But kids or middle class citizens, and everyone loses their minds!

[Reiwa]

If people are expected to die, like gang members, cops or soldiers, no one bats an eye. But kids or middle class citizens, and everyone loses their minds!

https://i.imgur.com/f0B0Op9.jpg

[Ooloo]

Jib I kinda think that's unfair to cops. They deal with crime in bad neighborhoods all the time, which is where the incoherent leftist idea comes from that those neighborhoods are somehow both "overpoliced" (cause the cops are racist and just wanna arrest black people!) and also "underpoliced" (cause the cops are racist and only care about helping white people!). The cops just go where the crime is happening, if a crime happens in a typically low crime area, more cops can respond to that specific event.

[peterpal]

The killer was engaged by law enforcement outside the school before he went inside.
There's no arming teachers or guards that would have helped.
Arming teachers would start a whole nother vector of future drama.

They're gonna propose a gun bill and the GOP is gonna veto it. Nothing will change.
Gun fetishists are keep going to sacrifice children. Thoughts and prayers, though!

[Reiwa]

The killer was engaged by law enforcement outside the school before he went inside.
There's no arming teachers or guards that would have helped.
Arming teachers would start a whole nother vector of future drama.

They're gonna propose a gun bill and the GOP is gonna veto it. Nothing will change.
Gun fetishists are keep going to sacrifice children. Thoughts and prayers, though!

https://i.imgur.com/bCuip9X.jpg

[Ooloo]

The killer was engaged by law enforcement outside the school before he went inside.
There's no arming teachers or guards that would have helped.
Arming teachers would start a whole nother vector of future drama.

They're gonna propose a gun bill and the GOP is gonna veto it. Nothing will change.
Gun fetishists are keep going to sacrifice children. Thoughts and prayers, though!

Haha what?? Good lord "sacrifice children", get a grip.

The guy who killed him was a border patrol agent. Had he been working as an armed security guard at the school instead, not a single kid might have been killed.

There are armed guards at all sorts of places and literally NEVER are their weapons used in these kind of attacks. There are armed guards at the grocery store when the money truck or whatever comes to refill the ATMs. And banks. Nobody just runs up and yoinks their gun, is that what you think the "new vector" would be if schools had armed guards?

[Jibartik]

The killer was engaged by law enforcement outside the school before he went inside.
There's no arming teachers or guards that would have helped.
Arming teachers would start a whole nother vector of future drama.

They're gonna propose a gun bill and the GOP is gonna veto it. Nothing will change.
Gun fetishists are keep going to sacrifice children. Thoughts and prayers, though!

I think this you vs them mentality is what excites extreme people into causing the violence that's causing this us vs them mentality.

[Rethalis]

These shootings tend to happen at gun free zones. Never heard of a mass shooting at a gun show.

[unsunghero]

I was mentioning to co-workers I bet this loser snapped after his parent told him he couldn’t play Fortnite. I hate being right all the time :(

[Horza]

The killer was engaged by law enforcement outside the school before he went inside.
There's no arming teachers or guards that would have helped.
Arming teachers would start a whole nother vector of future drama.

They're gonna propose a gun bill and the GOP is gonna veto it. Nothing will change.
Gun fetishists are keep going to sacrifice children. Thoughts and prayers, though!

They don't trust teachers to even teach kids anymore but they expect them to gun down students obviously intending suicide by cop.

[Ooloo]

They don't trust teachers to even teach kids anymore but they expect them to gun down students obviously intending suicide by cop.

If the guy who ended up stopping him (with a gun) had just simply already been at the school, to provide security, this may very well have been prevented.

Arming actual teachers is a completely different question than simply having one or two professional armed security guards, because ya know, kids are kind of important? We protect all sorts of things with armed guards, but for some reason not an elementary school? How does this logic go exactly?

[Domo]

some random tweets and memes Ive seen today on the web
https://i.imgur.com/GVLAaEy.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Ao0bEGr.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ZeQ86wX.png

https://i.imgur.com/oiY6KSi.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/nvNOT7U.jpg

[robayon]

No, mass shootings are not even remotely unique to america, nor do they occur the most often per capita in america, unless you get REALLY specific and selective with which statistics you're including.Can you share the statistics you are referring to?

[Elizondo]

some random tweets and memes Ive seen today on the web
https://i.imgur.com/GVLAaEy.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Ao0bEGr.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ZeQ86wX.png

https://i.imgur.com/oiY6KSi.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/nvNOT7U.jpg

Using dead children as political props

Dems are pathetic

[Rethalis]

Typical gun grabbers not blaming the criminal.

[Reiwa]

If the guy who ended up stopping him (with a gun) had just simply already been at the school, to provide security, this may very well have been prevented.

Arming actual teachers is a completely different question than simply having one or two professional armed security guards, because ya know, kids are kind of important? We protect all sorts of things with armed guards, but for some reason not an elementary school? How does this logic go exactly?

Probably very expensive for the pensions, salary, insurance, and benefits.

Don't think it could be done federally either.

[Ooloo]

Can you share the statistics you are referring to?

No but google can, you bad faith mofo. I have a policy: I do not provide specific links to stats that are easily googled when I know with 100% certainty you'll find some reason to ignore them anyway.

[Jibartik]

"dont tell me they would stand for this carnage!"
*arms every citizen and sends them into the wild to kill or be killed
*sends Calvary to geocide Indian tribe because schoolhouse was burnt to the ground

[Ooloo]

Probably very expensive for the pensions, salary, insurance, and benefits.

Don't think it could be done federally either.

Totally agree, actually implementing such a policy would be very costly. But you might say worth it?

Dems just have a completely irrational fear of scary looking guns. The gun he used is just a rifle, but it's black and made of metal so people think it's some kind of machinegun. If it just looked like wood instead I guarantee the hysteria would be 99% lessened.

[robayon]

No but google can, you bad faith mofo. I have a policy: I do not provide specific links to stats that are easily googled when I know with 100% certainty you'll find some reason to ignore them anyway.Yeah, I didn't think so

[Reiwa]

"dont tell me they would stand for this carnage!"
*arms every citizen and sends them into the wild to kill or be killed
*sends Calvary to geocide Indian tribe because schoolhouse was burnt to the ground

🎶One more day! Another day, another destiny. This never-ending road to Calvary. (https://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/calvary-and-cavalry)🎶

[peterpal]

The first onion satire is already 8 years old and nothing changed (https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1848971668)

[Ooloo]

Yeah, I didn't think so

Haha dude *other people* itt have already said "Well ya know if you just totally ignore a bunch of other countries, we're pretty bad!".

Forget the political gotcha attempt for a second, just go look it up. I swear I'm not lying.

[Horza]

Can you share the statistics you are referring to?

lol

[Jibartik]

"this never used to happen!"

*meanwhile used to:

https://i.imgur.com/UYDzNkr.gif

[starkind]

In America you could literally tell somneone you want to kill kids in school and they won't arrest you.

Country is not authoritarian enough yet IMO.

(i dont think they should take guns, just freedumbs)

[Ooloo]

The first onion satire is already 8 years old and nothing changed (https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1848971668)

Wow what a hot take. Nice qualifier there: "regularly."

Define regularly? "Uhhh, well, by regularly I kinda mean rarely if you just look at the numbers and understand what per capita means, but let's pretend ok?"

[unsunghero]

“European countries have had their share of school shootings, although not as frequently as in the United States or Canada. These include eight in Germany since 1913, one in Lithuania (1925), one in Sweden (1961), three since 1967 in the United Kingdom (none after the 1996 massacre), three in Finland since 1989, two in the Netherlands (1999 and 2004), one in Denmark (1994), one in Hungary (2009), two in France (2012 and 2017), one in Estonia (2014), Spain (2015), at least five in Russia since 2014 (including events in May and Seotember 2021), one in Crimea (2018), and one in Poland (2019, no deaths)”


I don’t have a huge problem pushing it to 21 to purchase a firearm (normally in my state it’s 21 to buy a pistol but someone can buy a rifle at 18)

I don’t have a problem with mandatory waiting periods either personally. I also don’t think either of these will prevent school shootings as much as responsible gun ownership would. Most 18 year olds don’t have the money to buy a gun, they are usually given them by shitty stupid family members, or else take them without their knowledge

[robayon]

lolThat was his last chance and he did what he always does: wormed his way out of doing the thing he expects others to do when they make claims

Oh well, good thing this isn't debate club and nothing matters

[Reiwa]

Wow what a hot take. Nice qualifier there: "regularly."

Define regularly? "Uhhh, well, by regularly I kinda mean rarely if you just look at the numbers and understand what per capita means, but let's pretend ok?"

I understand per capita, I just don't like it.

[Horza]

Haha dude *other people* itt have already said "Well ya know if you just totally ignore a bunch of other countries, we're pretty bad!".

Forget the political gotcha attempt for a second, just go look it up. I swear I'm not lying.

Must be nice to not have any of your fellow conservatives ever question the statistics you just make up to try and score political points.

[loramin]

No, mass shootings are not even remotely unique to america, nor do they occur the most often per capita in america

If only there was an objective 3rd party that had looked in to this, like, I dunno ... Snopes (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/united-states-lower-death-shootings/)

As you can see, the United States is the only country on the list where mass shootings took place consistently between 2009 and 2015, with the CPRC recording at least 12 deaths annually in that period. In fact, of the sixteen countries that Lott chose for his analysis, only one saw mass shooting deaths in more than two out of those seven years — the United States.

Might have been cultural differences. And another factor as I’ve said before on this forum is how it is reported on, which takes an initial mass shooting to create motivation

So it has nothing to do with gun laws huh? :rolleyes:

[MrSparkle001]

If the guy who ended up stopping him (with a gun) had just simply already been at the school, to provide security, this may very well have been prevented.

Arming actual teachers is a completely different question than simply having one or two professional armed security guards, because ya know, kids are kind of important? We protect all sorts of things with armed guards, but for some reason not an elementary school? How does this logic go exactly?

"Protecting our elementary schools with armed guards" is a totally fucked up thing to say. What kind of third world shithole needs armed guards at elementary schools?

Right?

This fucking country is on it's way out. The Golden Age is over and it's time for the Great Decline.

[Ooloo]

Wow, again loramin with the "hey if you look at this one specific, narrow sample, it's sort of higher in a specific way if you're measuring "mass shootings" by some arbitrary definition you just made up!"

That's not how statistics work. But even if it was, what is your point? An armed guard in that school would have almost certainly prevented that.

And let's say you could somehow magically wave a wand and only cops would have guns? Cool, fine, there should STILL be an armed guard in that school cause the psycho who did this could have just stabbed a bunch of kids instead.

Make a coherent argument, pearl clutching about the scary guns is just an insanely low resolution way of thinking about this problem.

[robayon]

Must be nice to not have any of your fellow conservatives ever question the statistics you just make up to try and score political points.It's not mental gymnastics

It's defensive acrobatics!

[Domo]

https://i.imgur.com/pSzfczd.png

Fuck Your Gun Free Zones
https://i.imgur.com/u0tQfzT.jpg

[unsunghero]

If only there was an objective 3rd party that had looked in to this, like, I dunno ... Snopes (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/united-states-lower-death-shootings/)





So it has nothing to do with gun laws huh? :rolleyes:

I don’t consider Snopes to be very objective. I know democrats love them though. I’ve seen them be very partisan biased in the past

Mexico has extremely strict gun laws, how is that working out for them?

Or are we going to say that even though we are talking about a larger quantity of people dying to murder rather than a smaller quantity to mass murder, that murder statistics don’t matter for the basis of this discussion

How about gun laws effect on a country that has millions of guns in circulation already? Are you going to go gather them up? Think people are just going to offer theirs up to the cop going door to door?

[Ooloo]

"Protecting our elementary schools with armed guards" is a totally fucked up thing to say. What kind of third world shithole needs armed guards at elementary schools?

Right?

This fucking country is on it's way out. The Golden Age is over and it's time for the Great Decline.

Relax, there are armed guards at banks. I think kids are more important than money, personally. I don't think it's a fucked up thing to say at all.

Again arming actual teachers is a whole other can of worms, and I don't support that unless we are really specific about how exactly that would be implemented, safety/training wise.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by Snopes
As you can see, the United States is the only country on the list where mass shootings took place consistently between 2009 and 2015, with the CPRC recording at least 12 deaths annually in that period. In fact, of the sixteen countries that Lott chose for his analysis, only one saw mass shooting deaths in more than two out of those seven years — the United States.

huh, between 2009 and 2015 right after the biggest economic crash of our generation following a major unspoken recession while all anyone talked about on the news was how a terrorist was prsident and then a fascist got elected and also men and woman started hating each other and blaming skin and sex became the status quo I wonder why there were so many mass shootings.

[loramin]

Wow, again loramin with the "hey if you look at this one specific, narrow sample, it's sort of higher in a specific way if you're measuring "mass shootings" by some arbitrary definition you just made up!"

That's not how statistics work. But even if it was, what is your point? An armed guard in that school would have almost certainly prevented that.

And let's say you could somehow magically wave a wand and only cops would have guns? Cool, fine, there should STILL be an armed guard in that school cause the psycho who did this could have just stabbed a bunch of kids instead.

Make a coherent argument, pearl clutching about the scary guns is just an insanely low resolution way of thinking about this problem.

Actually, I did nothing of the sort: I avoided exactly the sort of trap you keep trying to use, by referencing an objective 3rd party.

You just didn't like how that objective 3rd party contradicted your incorrect view of reality.

[loramin]

huh, between 2009 and 2015 right after the biggest economic crash of our generation following a major unspoken recession while all anyone talked about on the news was how a terrorist was prsident and then a fascist got elected and also men and woman started hating each other I wonder why there were so many mass shootings.

Read the article: it's much longer, and covers a far longer timespan; that was just one quote I put in my post that clearly disproved the point being made.

[Ooloo]

Actually, I did nothing of the sort: I avoided exactly the sort of trap you keep trying to use, by referencing an objective 3rd party.

You just didn't like how that objective 3rd party contradicted your incorrect view of reality.

Yes the nefarious TRAP of internally consistent logic. Sorry about that.

[loramin]

I don’t consider Snopes to be very objective. I know democrats love them though. I’ve seen them be very partisan biased in the past

Translation: I don't like objective sources that contradict my reality, so I ignore them.

[Reiwa]

"Protecting our elementary schools with armed guards" is a totally fucked up thing to say. What kind of third world shithole needs armed guards at elementary schools?

I think we could swing it if we brought back conscription like Bootyjudge wanted. 🤔

[loramin]

Yes the nefarious TRAP of internally consistent logic. Sorry about that.

The trap of you cherry-picking a response any statistic I could possibly provide. I avoided it by not providing just one fact, but instead a deep and thorough analysis by an objective third party ... and you ignored it and pretended I'd given you a specific single fact you could "disprove".

[Jibartik]

Read the article: it's much longer, and covers a far longer timespan; that was just one quote I put in my post that clearly disproved the point being made.

I said we genocided the indians because they killed schoolchildren in this country, we armed our citizens and sent them out in the wild to kill or be killed.

Your link comparing EU and USA only supports my statement, that we are a brutal and savage nation compared to them. We subjucated the wild just 200 years ago, while they did over 2000.

They have seen collosal empires rise and fall multiple times, while we are still in the middle (end) of our first.

There is nothing different between what is happening now, and the fall of rome, or anywhere in europe during the fall of every empire.

During all of these societal collapses people went around killing each other.

Comparing the last 200 years of a 2000 year old history to the complete 200 year years of a brand new culture is just missdirection and confirmation bias not "unbiased" review.

The issues I bring up are not even mentioned in this article, and im sure that means you think that the issues I speak of are fake and not real (it is actual recorded history Im talking about)

[Skarne]

Confirmation bias is a real pain in the ass.

[Jibartik]

The only time you'll year someone say this is unbiased is when it confirms theirs.
-wayne gretsky
-micheal scott

[Skarne]

Ye ppl suck

[unsunghero]

Some states within the us with strict gun laws have higher rates of gun violence than those without

Why?

Because there are too many guns in circulation to control effectively at this point. And sending cops door to door to gather up everyone’s guns will never work. Buyback programs will get them from honest citizens and cost a shit ton in taxes to create enough financial incentive to make it worthwhile

It’s fine to say “FUUUUUCK GUNS!” after every school shooting to feel virtuous but it might help to propose legislation that might actually do something. The assault rifle ban didn’t accomplish much which is why it was revoked

What could help possibly DELAY a school shooting could be:

- making the age to purchase a gun 21. Like I said before most 18 year olds don’t have the money anyway, they are usually getting their gun from a family member so this wouldn’t stop most

- making a mandatory waiting period to buy a gun. School shootings are usually heavily planned and not crimes of passion so this might not prevent a single one. But I don’t mind inconveniencing everyone else to feel virtuous personally (being serious here, minus the virtuous feeling)

- Taking away someone’s right to buy a gun if they were ever involuntarily committed to a psych hospital. This would be ripe for abuse since anyone can force someone into a psych hospital by lying about them, and can only be prosecuted for it if they are stupid enough to admit to a court they lied to commit their family member out of malice. So I am not a fan of this option, it would be abused left and right

Any other ideas?

[Domo]

https://i.imgur.com/dpgpaOJ.jpg

[Jibartik]

If the grandma comes to and says that he was abusive and crazy, does that mean she will be liable for the crimes?

[Ooloo]

Yeah the claim of objectivity by snopes is pretty funny.

It's also a total red herring; let's say I'm totally MEGAWRONG about the stats (I'm not, and you guys are still not being specific about what constitutes a "mass shooting" and what doesn't, or how that might relate to private citizens owning guns for self defense which is the entire issue at hand). Let's say that's all true: what is your actual proposal here, policy wise?

Dem buzzwords like "common sense gun reform" aren't exactly helpful. AR-15s aren't magically any more dangerous than any other gun. They aren't "assault weapons" which means nothing, they're just a rifle. They aren't full-auto machineguns, those are already illegal for the vast majority of normal civilians to ever buy.

Given that there is NO way to eliminate guns from society without also just concentrating the pool of guns more and more into the hands of criminals who don't care about gun laws or mandatory buy-backs, how do restrictions help?

You guys have to stop pretending the only reason people want guns is because they are some kind of gun fetishist who likes to play rambo. The argument from the right is over *legitimate self defense* and the equalization of force to protect the vulnerable from the strong. Hence why the dude who stopped the shooter by using a gun, could have stopped him much sooner if he had just already been there. Is there any argument you can muster against that other than "Well it would be expensive"??

[Jibartik]

Fox News guest says "tripwires" and "man traps" are the solution to mass shootings at schools.

walking to class like

A9cjoaEM7nE

[peterpal]

"Protecting our elementary schools with armed guards" is a totally fucked up thing to say. What kind of third world shithole needs armed guards at elementary schools?

Right?

This fucking country is on it's way out. The Golden Age is over and it's time for the Great Decline.

There were armed cops at the school but they ran away

[Horza]

Yeah the claim of objectivity by snopes is pretty funny.

It's also a total red herring; let's say I'm totally MEGAWRONG about the stats (I'm not, and you guys are still not being specific about what constitutes a "mass shooting" and what doesn't, or how that might relate to private citizens owning guns for self defense which is the entire issue at hand). Let's say that's all true: what is your actual proposal here, policy wise?

Conservatives will never admit they were wrong about anything, Jib just said Democrats started the Afghan War rather than accept GWB was a lying dumbass like every Republican president for the last few decades.

[unsunghero]

. The argument from the right is over *legitimate self defense* and the equalization of force to protect the vulnerable from the strong

Yeah, good luck convincing a young black man living alone in the ghetto to give up his gun because some 18yr old loser went ape shit on a school after his parent wouldn’t let him play Fortnite

I don’t even blame the responsible citizens in low income areas for wanting and having guns

[robayon]

I have guns

I'm on the left

The problem is much bigger than guns and we all know it. America is a deeply insane country. Neither of the two conservative ruling parties actually want to solve this problem, even if individuals care, the parties certainly don't. Because solving the problem would involve structural change, and that would mean upsetting the balance of power.

So, in essence, the beatings will continue until morale improves

[Jibartik]

Conservatives will never admit they were wrong about anything, Jib just said Democrats started the Afghan War rather than accept GWB was a lying dumbass like every Republican president for the last few decades.

no the party you have became did because its now made up of that generation republicans that hate trump and far right democrats (all Romney, cheeny, and john bolton lovers, you even love bush now and think hes cute)

You have become economically republican (90% of the governments roll) in exchange for the establishment becoming socially liberal.

You moved the headstones, but you left the bodies.

[Reiwa]

If the grandma comes to and says that he was abusive and crazy, does that mean she will be liable for the crimes?

Parents did catch charges in a previous case, I think this one. (https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/james-and-jennifer-crumbley-parents-of-accused-oxford-shool-shooter-want-trial-moved-out-of-oakland-county)

[Jibartik]

Yeah I feel like that's a great way to handle these situations.

Even better just send the whole bloodline to a prison camp like in NK if it happens, that'll straghten people out.

Putin and Un 2024

[Horza]

no the party you have became did because its now made up of that generation republicans that hate trump and far right democrats (all Romney, cheeny, and john bolton lovers, you even love bush now and think hes cute)

You have become economically republican (90% of the governments roll) in exchange for the establishment becoming socially liberal.

You moved the headstones, but you left the bodies.

Sorry that your obese messiah turned the GOP into a wreck and the rats are all fleeing a sinking ship, blame yourself or god.

[Jibartik]

I told you you'd repent in the final days.

[Skarne]

No u

[eladrimar]

Nothing will change, mainly because people don't want to change. For the better or worse. So kids will just keep dying. America will just keep having this American problem.

It's kind of sad how many people insult each other over this and the anger on this thread, nothing more terrifying about a person who is so protective over gun rights and yet so angry. Just the person we all want armed.

[Ooloo]

Nothing will change, mainly because people don't want to change. For the better or worse. So kids will just keep dying. America will just keep having this American problem.

It's kind of sad how many people insult each other over this and the anger on this thread, nothing more terrifying about a person who is so protective over gun rights and yet so angry. Just the person we all want armed.

Oh stfu you idiot. Yes, I think frail vulnerable women should be able to carry concealed firearms incase they get, ya know, raped.

I guess you DON'T CARE about rape victims who are saved by guns huh?? You monster!

See I can employ emotional blackmail to dunk on the libs too! Doesn't make it any less shitty of a tactic though.

[Jibartik]

Anger is our problem and the each one of us is the boss and thinking everyone is trying to rape or fuck you over is the problem.

[Ooloo]

Anger is our problem and the each one of us is the boss and thinking everyone is trying to rape or fuck you over is the problem.

I didn't say that at all? Although I agree anger is a huge problem. It's sometimes appropriate, it depends on what you're angry about. I said if a woman is about to get raped, I think she should be able to defend herself with a firearm. So she doesn't get raped.

If nobody raped anyone, I agree that would be ideal. Just like if some psycho asshole didn't decide to murder a bunch of kids, that would also be ideal. You still need armed security to guard schools if you really want to stop this, even if the criminal has no gun or knife and is just giving all the kids stone cold stunners or something instead.

[robayon]

Oh stfu you idiot.You really need to study someone other than Ben Shapiro, dude, you'd get fired from the debate club you long to join so fast

I suggest the book "Give Them an Argument" by Ben Burgis

[Mblake1981]

Oh stfu you idiot. Yes, I think frail vulnerable women should be able to carry concealed firearms incase they get, ya know, raped.

I guess you DON'T CARE about rape victims who are saved by guns huh?? You monster!

See I can employ emotional blackmail to dunk on the libs too! Doesn't make it any less shitty of a tactic though.

Commies know no bounds to the goal, ask Mao. Celebrate him for the quantity of carbon he sequestered, which paled to Khan.
On a personal note: I didn't care about the aborted fetuses because I lived and its not documented. It wasn't until well-meaning
homosexuals began to target my diesel truck that it became personal.

[Ooloo]

You really need to study someone other than Ben Shapiro, dude, you'd get fired from the debate club you long to join so fast

I suggest the book "Give Them an Argument" by Ben Burgis

Yes only Ben Shapiro says this. Not like ya know the founders of the nation or anything.

[Skarne]

Daddy chill

[Ooloo]

Would more or less people have died in this event if the guy who shot and killed the perpetrator had already been there, or 30 minutes later (which is what happened)?

I just can't crack this one!

"The cops engaged him and yet it did not work, therefor don't have armed guards at schools even though an armed guy shot and killed the shooter, thus saving lives."

What. Is. Your. Point?? Again, emotions make people think like 6th graders.

[nostalgiaquest]

Yes only Ben Shapiro says this. Not like ya know the founders of the nation or anything.

Is this how you, you know, like, actually talk in real life? Not like, you know, the political part of it, but like, I dunno, your mannerisms maybe?

[Ooloo]

Is this how you, you know, like, actually talk in real life? Not like, you know, the political part of it, but like, I dunno, your mannerisms maybe?

I do say the word "like" a lot, guilty as charged.

Any other thoughts on anything I said?

[nostalgiaquest]

No thanks. Arguing in this thread is like the special Olympics. I’m just letting you know that any arguments you do make are hindered by your poor delivery.

I want to see you grow into the master debater I know you can be!

[Ooloo]

No thanks. Arguing in this thread is like the special Olympics. I’m just letting you know that any arguments you do make are hindered by your poor delivery.

I want to see you grow into the master debater I know you can be!

You can just say what you think too? Instead of callously calling me a retard by comparing this thread to the special olympics.

Nobody has yet explained why armed guards in schools, or really almost anywhere else, are a bad idea? Not armed teachers, professional armed security. Anyone?? Anyone at all?

[Jibartik]

I didn't say that at all? Although I agree anger is a huge problem. It's sometimes appropriate, it depends on what you're angry about. I said if a woman is about to get raped, I think she should be able to defend herself with a firearm. So she doesn't get raped.

If nobody raped anyone, I agree that would be ideal. Just like if some psycho asshole didn't decide to murder a bunch of kids, that would also be ideal. You still need armed security to guard schools if you really want to stop this, even if the criminal has no gun or knife and is just giving all the kids stone cold stunners or something instead.

i was replying to eldumar or whatever, he was talking about how everyone is angry but then concluded guns were the problem.

its just a total coincidence you used the word rape while i was typing it up! :o

[Skarne]

The problem isn’t guns it’s a lack of bipartisan discussion on how to fix anything at all. Guns have always been here and aren’t going away. Something’s gotta be done though and I’m glad nobody on these forums have any real say haha.

[Jibartik]

if we all realized that skarne, something would be be done, because realizing that is all we need to do.

[Ooloo]

It's a discussion forum called off-topic and the thread is about an extremely current event. Why is just talking about it so offputting? I don't get it.

God forbid anyone have an opinion other than "Beep boop gun killed kiddos gun bads ban guns america bads."

[eladrimar]

The problem isn’t guns it’s a lack of bipartisan discussion on how to fix anything at all. Guns have always been here and aren’t going away. Something’s gotta be done though and I’m glad nobody on these forums have any real say haha.

Agreed. Forums would be a great way to share thoughts and opinions if people actually considered those thoughts and opinions. Even when a good solution is proposed you will always have people who can't adapt or just admit they are wrong or its a good idea.

[Jibartik]

It's a discussion forum called off-topic and the thread is about an extremely current event. Why is just talking about it so offputting? I don't get it.

God forbid anyone have an opinion other than "Beep boop gun killed kiddos gun bads ban guns america bads."

I dont think were saying talking about things is off putting (though there are people here that think it is but screw them they can ignore), what skarne said is that we wont even effect it so basically he and I agree, we can say whatever we want becuase nothing we say here matters.

Id say what they talk about between rivalries on sports teams is more condusive to voilent acts because its usually jock and sports related bullying in school that creates these dark social cliques people have to escape to.

outlaw sports and well stop school shootings mark my words

[Jibartik]

By the way the red flag laws, and the internet privacy stuff that is being discussed if some of it passes im going to quit posting online. What we talk about here is full blown red flag law.

If I dont even feel comfortable speaking my mind online I think that's just one of the final acts of the end timse and I will be in colorado if you need me just meet up with me like in the stand.

[Ooloo]

Well it's not like I think anything we say here is going to change a law or something, but it's a discussion forum. I mean why discuss anything? Why do so many of us have thousands-long post counts?

I'm sitting on my ass eating a chicken sandwich talking about this cause I think it's an important topic and we kinda-sorta know one another a bit as far as internet strangers go and it's stimulating when people actually engage. Which does happen.

I can definitely be a crankypants sometimes though and I do say "like" way too much, I honestly can't help it.

[eladrimar]

Well it's not like I think anything we say here is going to change a law or something, but it's a discussion forum. I mean why discuss anything? Why do so many of us have thousands-long post counts?

I'm sitting on my ass eating a chicken sandwich talking about this cause I think it's an important topic and we kinda-sorta know one another a bit as far as internet strangers go and it's stimulating when people actually engage. Which does happen.

I can definitely be a crankypants sometimes though and I do say "like" way too much, I honestly can't help it.

What's the point of having a discussion if people won't be open to change or learning something new.

If we all had an open mind to others opinions and view points we'd be in a better place. Sadly we have people who rather trust fake information because it suits them better.

[Skarne]

You know who I don’t like is that my pillow guy. A long time ago I heard him on the radio talking about his crack addiction and making the first my pillow all strung out with his son in the kid’s garage because he was living in flop houses. Now he’s influencing politics? Yikes man

[Ooloo]

What's the point of having a discussion if people won't be open to change or learning something new.


Because some people are? Plenty of people itt and in this off-topic subforum generally are open to change and learning new things. Not everyone certainly, who cares though?

So to recap: The dems still aren't offering any solution other than essentially "guns are bad". Meanwhile a gun stopped the guy from killing even more people. How do we solve that fundamental problem as a matter of public policy?

[Mblake1981]

Nobody has yet explained why armed guards in schools, or really almost anywhere else, are a bad idea? Not armed teachers, professional armed security. Anyone?? Anyone at all?

Perfectly reasonable to be totally honest, its simply the weak-ass cultural shift to having them helicopter around in spaces they were not required to previously, which is why they were not there during my youth even though kids fought in schools.

Asshole #1: "Hey, I don't think these people are listening to the message anymore."
Asshole #2: "Let's begin targeting their kids, that should get their attention."
Dipshit #1: "Well, now an armed guard is justified. Here son, wear this lanyard."
Kid #1: "Fuck you, Dad"

[robayon]

Nobody has yet explained why armed guards in schools, or really almost anywhere else, are a bad idea? Not armed teachers, professional armed security. Anyone?? Anyone at all?Why do you do this to yourself, Ooloo? I don't recall seeing any particular points of contention on this either way, but you're acting like it's because nobody has the balls to challenge your 'genius' room-temperature take

If I post "the moon is actually made of cheese" and nobody argues with me about it, that doesn't mean the mean the moon is actually made of cheese, it just means nobody cared enough to nibble on my idiot bait. Or I'm on everyone's ignore list.

Put armed guards in schools, fine, go nuts, my school growing up had one, especially after Columbine, and that was 20+ years ago. the problem is bigger than a few people with guns to defend against bad people with guns, and just like you said, if guns were outlawed there'd just be more stabbings or bombs or whatever.

The problem is not being addressed at its source and it won't be as long as the status quo remains

[Mblake1981]

The problem is not being addressed at its source and it won't be as long as the status quo remains

What is the problem and what is the status quo?

[robayon]

What is the problem and what is the status quo?Largely, neoliberal capitalism itself is my answer to both of these things

It's a myriad of problems caused by capitalist beliefs, anyways

[Mblake1981]

Largely, neoliberal capitalism itself is my answer to both of these things

It's a myriad of problems caused by capitalist beliefs, anyways

Keynes eh? what does the green party offer as solutions?

[Reiwa]

Keynes eh? what does the green party offer as solutions?

https://i.imgur.com/0ENbpYy.png

[robayon]

Keynes eh? what does the green party offer as solutions?Opposition to capitalism, of course

But that's not gonna happen, not through electoral politics. Which is why the party I actually support is the woke mob, gathering outside of the homes of the powerful, looking to a particular french device that's served them well in the past

[robayon]

https://i.imgur.com/0ENbpYy.pngNever assume I have read the work of any economist, the ultimate bro's bro science, I have more faith in astrology than economists

[Mblake1981]

Opposition to capitalism, of course

But that's not gonna happen, not through electoral politics. Which is why the party I actually support is the woke mob, gathering outside of the homes of the powerful, looking to a particular french device that's served them well in the past

I have guns

I'm on the left

The problem is much bigger than guns and we all know it. America is a deeply insane country. Neither of the two conservative ruling parties actually want to solve this problem, even if individuals care, the parties certainly don't. Because solving the problem would involve structural change, and that would mean upsetting the balance of power.

So, in essence, the beatings will continue until morale improves

aHZGqBVBCRw

Never assume I have read the work of any economist, the ultimate bro's bro science, I have more faith in astrology than economists

When Joe was asked if he thought himself smart when he makes simple spelling errors, he replied he hires people who can spell check.

[robayon]

When Joe was asked if he thought himself smart when he makes simple spelling errors, he replied he hires people who can spell check.That's great, that's all great, lovely stuff

You got any brilliant ideas to share? You don't see this helicopter going down?

[Mblake1981]

That's great, that's all great, lovely stuff

You got any brilliant ideas to share? You don't see this helicopter going down?

I am not in a helicopter nor do I see one to judge what is happening to it.

[Reiwa]

Never assume I have read the work of any economist, the ultimate bro's bro science, I have more faith in astrology than economists

Marx was an economist and liked to party.

[unsunghero]

Because some people are? Plenty of people itt and in this off-topic subforum generally are open to change and learning new things. Not everyone certainly, who cares though?

So to recap: The dems still aren't offering any solution other than essentially "guns are bad". Meanwhile a gun stopped the guy from killing even more people. How do we solve that fundamental problem as a matter of public policy?

Like I mentioned before, I don’t have a huge problem changing it to be 21 to own a gun. I think it’d be a little fuckin weird that you can be given a gun to go shoot people and die for your country before then but not own one yourself, that’s weird as shit but whatever

Most males are morons well into their early 20’s, definitely at 18. I’m trying to think of who this change would hurt the most. Probably honesty a law-abiding minority living alone in the hood who moved out from parent’s home and needs a means to defend themselves from getting jumped or home invaded. But then would they really have the money to buy that gun at 18 anyway, and if they didn’t they could always get one from the black market

But changing the law to purchase a gun to 21 I would not riot over

[robayon]

Marx was an economist and liked to party.I like to party. Marx was an anti-semite by any modern standard, like Kropotkin! And Bookchin was known for enjoying hamburgers at McDonald's, despite not liking capitalism much! I have a cellphone, computer, a house, a bank account, a retirement account with value tied to... gasp.... stocks

I don't need perfection, but it's important to be aware of it, even when you see it in the mirror

[Jibartik]

4 days ago this rapper in philly wrote a song laughing about some dead kids now hes dead and eveyone in philly is laughing at him this is amerrica.

6alJ0sMnkg4

https://i.imgur.com/q4gEd1p.png

[Reiwa]

I like to party. Marx was an anti-semite by any modern standard, like Kropotkin! And Bookchin was known for enjoying hamburgers at McDonald's, despite not liking capitalism much! I have a cellphone, computer, a house, a bank account, a retirement account with value tied to... gasp.... stocks

I don't need perfection, but it's important to be aware of it, even when you see it in the mirror

Right on, bro. You only live once.

[Mblake1981]

Marx was an economist and liked to party.

Wasn't too good at soccer, enthusiastic though.

LfduUFF_i1A

[Mblake1981]

Like I mentioned before, I don’t have a huge problem changing it to be 21 to own a gun. I think it’d be a little fuckin weird that you can be given a gun to go shoot people and die for your country before then but not own one yourself, that’s weird as shit but whatever

Most males are morons well into their early 20’s, definitely at 18. I’m trying to think of who this change would hurt the most. Probably honesty a law-abiding minority living alone in the hood who moved out from parent’s home and needs a means to defend themselves from getting jumped or home invaded. But then would they really have the money to buy that gun at 18 anyway, and if they didn’t they could always get one from the black market

But changing the law to purchase a gun to 21 I would not riot over

That's because you don't think enough.

- I would poison the well the ensure people like unsung are never able to own a firearm and make it illegal if they do, because of some made-up issue like "mental health". I will get those guns one way or another. I mean if you were willing, in unsungs case more than willing, to give up rights then whats wrong with giving up more, you don't want to be a senseless idiot do you? you don't want to murder Grandma do you? no so give me those for your own mental well-being and safety.

The adults are in the room.

[Kaveh]

That's because you don't think enough.

- I would poison the well the ensure people like unsung are never able to own a firearm and make it illegal if they do, because of some made-up issue like "mental health". I will get those guns one way or another. I mean if you were willing, in unsungs case more than willing, to give up rights then whats wrong with giving up more, you don't want to be a senseless idiot do you? you don't want to murder Grandma do you? no so give me those for your own mental well-being and safety.

The adults are in the room.

You don’t think this is perhaps hyperbole?

[Mblake1981]

God damn Anakin.

We need to outlaw sand to prevent this from happening again.

I just caught this post.. lol @ work

the shit is rough and it gets everywhere.

[Mblake1981]

You don’t think this is perhaps hyperbole?

How quick did people start in on guns again? iirc the bodies were still warm.

[Elizondo]

Groomers last week: "Killing babies is in The Constitution!"

Groomers this week: "Kids were killed! Repeal The Constitution!"

[Mblake1981]

Groomers last week: "Killing babies is in The Constitution!"

Groomers this week: "Kids were killed! Repeal The Constitution!"

These kids were both born and documented, that is the reason I think. It doesn't count if there are no documents.

[Horza]

Trump bootlickers didn't care much about the Constitution when he tried to disrupt the transfer of power and have Pence killed.

[Mblake1981]

Trump bootlickers didn't care much about the Constitution when he tried to disrupt the transfer of power and have Pence killed.

This has stuck in your craw for some time now, you must've give this thought, what have you come up with to share?

[Elizondo]

Trump bootlickers didn't care much about the Constitution when he tried to disrupt the transfer of power and have Pence killed.

Bro if they were really tryin to kill Judas Pence you'd be cheering them on

Literally Dems whenever there is a mass shooting

17806

[robayon]

Judas PenceDeranged virgin energy, but damn there is a lot to unpack in these two words

[Reiwa]

These kids were both born and documented, that is the reason I think. It doesn't count if there are no documents.

The stateless are owed no protection by any Sovereign.

Some shit like that ring your bell?

[Mblake1981]

The stateless are owed no protection by any Sovereign.

Some shit like that ring your bell?

No, I am American. How exactly should this have rung my bell?

[Mblake1981]

Bro if they were really tryin to kill Judas Pence you'd be cheering them on

Literally Dems whenever there is a mass shooting

17806

I don't think he is a lib/dem or rep but more of a vacuum-born souless entity, like Armus from Next Generation.

https://i.imgur.com/nKSGJF2.jpg

[Reiwa]

No, I am American. How exactly should this have rung my bell?

because we still have a sovereign. he's just a mascot instead of a man.

TWhttps://i.imgur.com/jqDwEwP.gif

[Mblake1981]

because we still have a sovereign. he's just a mascot instead of a man.

TWhttps://i.imgur.com/jqDwEwP.gif

He packs the meat so you can win the fight.

edit: but why oh why link a gif with gay in it. We are back at sq 1. Was this one of your underhanded cut-downs dressed as a compliment or do you really believe that?

It comes from the heart, not a mascot anyway.

[Horza]

Deranged virgin energy, but damn there is a lot to unpack in these two words

https://i.imgur.com/IW2F3gz.jpg

[Reiwa]

He packs the meat so you can win the fight.

edit: but why oh why link a gif with gay in it. We are back at sq 1. Was this one of your underhanded cut-downs dressed as a compliment or do you really believe that?

It comes from the heart, not a mascot anyway.

because that's the only fun gif i have of the american sovereign("crown")

[Mblake1981]

because that's the only fun gif i have of the american sovereign("crown")

A Camry

[unsunghero]

That's because you don't think enough.

- I would poison the well the ensure people like unsung are never able to own a firearm and make it illegal if they do, because of some made-up issue like "mental health". I will get those guns one way or another. I mean if you were willing, in unsungs case more than willing, to give up rights then whats wrong with giving up more, you don't want to be a senseless idiot do you? you don't want to murder Grandma do you? no so give me those for your own mental well-being and safety.

The adults are in the room.

It’s not related to this most recent shooting, just coincidental that this person happened to be one that purchased the guns he needed at 18

It’s well documented that adult males do not have a fully developed brain until their early 20’s. One of the last cognitive changes to develop is the increased ability to consider the long term ramifications of one’s actions

Historically, humans especially human males were required to grow up very fast. Not only was our lifespan shorter, but there were no laws to protect children from having to work, and so men were working as children and teens, getting married much younger, and dying much younger

If anything, culturally, development of people has continued to be pushed back. Humans are usually far less ready for adult responsibilities now than they used to be at 18. Many are still living the lives of children, being cared for as if they were still children by doting parents

So when we consider humans and their maturity and development at 18 versus how they were, it’s unfortunately much less mature, part of it due to the cush life our modern society provides

This is why I personally have never had a huge problem with making the minimum age to buy a firearm 21. It’s not like in America if someone really wants one to use for something like hunting or sport, to just be given one as a gift by a family member anyway. And when we consider why someone should be allowed to use one for the military but not for personal use, the military puts someone through BUDS training, which creates maturity and discipline on its own, before they are ever given a weapon and instructions to possibly use it on another person

So I don’t consider my stance on the legal age to buy a gun a knee-jerk reaction to this latest shooting. More like a reflection of an immature society of mentally underdeveloped youth, compared to how it once was anyway

[Reiwa]

A Camry

a camry could serve as the literal crown but not the actual. objects are not abstract.

[Mblake1981]

a camry could serve as the literal crown but not the actual. objects are not abstract.

That's right, a barracuda super stock would blow its doors off back to japan.

[Reiwa]

It’s not related to this most recent shooting, just coincidental that this person happened to be one that purchased the guns he needed at 18

It’s well documented that adult males do not have a fully developed brain until their early 20’s. One of the last cognitive changes to develop is the increased ability to consider the long term ramifications of one’s actions

Historically, humans especially human males were required to grow up very fast. Not only was our lifespan shorter, but there were no laws to protect children from having to work, and so men were working as children and teens, getting married much younger, and dying much younger

If anything, culturally, development of people has continued to be pushed back. Humans are usually far less ready for adult responsibilities now than they used to be at 18. Many are still living the lives of children, being cared for as if they were still children by doting parents

So when we consider humans and their maturity and development at 18 versus how they were, it’s unfortunately much less mature, part of it due to the cush life our modern society provides

This is why I personally have never had a huge problem with making the minimum age to buy a firearm 21. It’s not like in America if someone really wants one to use for something like hunting or sport, to just be given one as a gift by a family member anyway. And when we consider why someone should be allowed to use one for the military but not for personal use, the military puts someone through BUDS training, which creates maturity and discipline on its own, before they are ever given a weapon and instructions to possibly use it on another person

So I don’t consider my stance on the legal age to buy a gun a knee-jerk reaction to this latest shooting. More like a reflection of an immature society of mentally underdeveloped youth, compared to how it once was anyway

buds is seals tho you meant something else

[unsunghero]

buds is seals tho you meant something else

Whatever basic training is

In fact I personally would prefer we be like Israel and put every youth through military training as a requirement to create a sense of patriotism and discipline. Then I would have no problem with them getting a gun at 18 either

[Trexller]

https://i.imgur.com/Kis5B4t.png

[oldschoolguy]

Whatever basic training is

In fact I personally would prefer we be like Israel and put every youth through military training as a requirement to create a sense of patriotism and discipline. Then I would have no problem with them getting a gun at 18 either

most 18 yo arent stupid fucks like the shooter. media blames white people or guns, never blacks, mexicans, etc…

they blamed car and not Darrel Brooks because he was black and not white. media is very racist and agitates hatred intentionally.

[unsunghero]

most 18 yo arent stupid fucks like the shooter. media blames white people or guns, never blacks, mexicans, etc…

they blamed car and not Darrel Brooks because he was black and not white. media is very racist and agitates hatred intentionally.

While I completely agree about the media, I personally disagree about 18 year olds. How fun would it be for a more mature person to hang out with a bunch of 18 year olds. Would you find that fun? I wouldn’t. Why? Because 18 year olds are very immature and stupid

My argument has not changed that not only have 18 year olds been stupid and immature, but 18 year olds nowadays are far more immature and childish than my grandpa’s generation when they were 18, and those before that

So if you think that most 18yr olds nowadays behave like responsible adults, then we can agree to disagree there

[Horza]

most 18 yo arent stupid fucks like the shooter. media blames white people or guns, never blacks, mexicans, etc…

they blamed car and not Darrel Brooks because he was black and not white. media is very racist and agitates hatred intentionally.

Tucker Carlson isn't part of the media now, my trailer trash friend?

[oldschoolguy]

While I completely agree about the media, I personally disagree about 18 year olds. How fun would it be for a more mature person to hang out with a bunch of 18 year olds. Would you find that fun? I wouldn’t. Why? Because 18 year olds are very immature and stupid

My argument has not changed that not only have 18 year olds been stupid and immature, but 18 year olds nowadays are far more immature and childish than my grandpa’s generation when they were 18, and those before that

So if you think that most 18yr olds nowadays behave like responsible adults, then we can agree to disagree there

you do have a point about maturity level. our generation had it hard, life forced us. they have it easy and mature later.

we have these recruits in our army unit (army, not marines), young men can’t even remember their uniform. and stupid diversity trainings aren’t helping with discipline issues.

[Mblake1981]

you do have a point about maturity level. our generation had it hard, life forced us. they have it easy and mature later.

we have these recruits in our army unit (army, not marines), young men can’t even remember their uniform. and stupid diversity trainings aren’t helping with discipline issues.

"My job in life is to give a better life to my kids."

[Jibartik]

We ask a kid to go to war, get a job, fend for himself, get married, but we don’t let him buy a gun or drink alcohol.

[Mblake1981]

We ask a kid to go to war, get a job, fend for himself, get married, but we don’t let him buy a gun or drink alcohol.

https://i.imgur.com/Y5IvEIu.jpg

[Trexller]

Where is your outrage now, hypocrites?

This man drove an SUV into a crowd of people, murdering 6 of them and wounding 62

https://i.imgur.com/27DcXXb.jpg

Brooks is a violent 39-year-old career criminal, registered sex offender and amateur rapper from north Milwaukee with a rap sheet going back to 1999, who allegedly punched the mother of his child in the face early last month and then drove over her

Screenshots of Brooks’ Facebook page, under his MathBoi Fly rapper handle, were mysteriously deleted right after the parade murders, and showed that he had praised Hitler, backed Black Lives Matter — and called for violence against white people.

“So when we start bakk knokkin white people TF out ion wanna hear it…the old white ppl 2, KNOKK DEM TF OUT!! PERIOD,” he wrote under his rap name, MathBoi Fly, along with a middle-finger emoji.

‘Not fitting their narrative’: Waukesha feels abandoned after tragic parade attack

You go online to try and feel smart and in control of chaos when you can't make better sense of the world around you.

None of you have any idea of how manipulated you are, hook, line and sinker.

[Horza]

None of you have any idea of how manipulated you are, hook, line and sinker.

The guy yelling about freemasons 24/7 just because Diaper Don was publicly humiliated, telling everyone else they've been manipulated?