14 Children and Teacher Killed in Texas Elementary School Shooting

[Elizondo]

The guy yelling about freemasons 24/7 just because Diaper Don was publicly humiliated, telling everyone else they've been manipulated?

The Great Maga King livin Rent Free

Horza a sad groomer poster

[Jibartik]

https://i.imgur.com/Y5IvEIu.jpg

That has to be the literal worst way to go right?

[Reiwa]

That has to be the literal worst way to go right?

Gives me the willies just to think about. I think you'd use up your oxygen before the fire got ya.

Some people get off on that though.

[robayon]

You go online to try and feel smart and in control of chaos when you can't make better sense of the world around you.While, uh, sir, you do act like a teenager's depiction of a grizzled veteran, this is an Arby's, are you going to order some roast beef or not?

[Trexller]

Gives me the willies just to think about. I think you'd use up your oxygen before the fire got ya.

Some people get off on that though.

those bronze bulls were vented, so that people could hear the screams.

they didn't have netflix, so evening entertainment options were limited

[Mblake1981]

That has to be the literal worst way to go right?

close second
https://i.imgur.com/dvCk2X2.jpg?1

[Botten]

This man drove an SUV into a crowd of people, murdering 6 of them and wounding 62


The weapons from the school shooting mangled the dead bodies of the children so badly it was necessary for the parents to provide DNA swabs, who lined up at the school, so authorities could then identify the corpses.

And since you are a gun nut your only fear is they will take YOUR guns away (which wouldn’t happen).

Sorry a SUV has never fit in the doors of a school for you to to prove it is a better weapon to mass murder children with at a school.

[Allishia]

I think 18 is way to young to buy a gun. Make it 25 like renting a boat / car...25 most people would be over the high school bullying and realize none of it mattered and no one cares about those popular kids anymore /nod.

I feel so bad for those parents, don't even want to comprehend what that feels like. I have two boys, 12 and one about to turn 14. Just awful that this happens in schools where it's supposed to be safe.

No idea why an 18 year old went to elementary school either, ya would think high school would be the place he would have went off at..

[starkind]

a rap sheet going back to 1999

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The right doesn't admit ppl should be forever locked up for being mentally ill
The right doesn't want to admit being an asshole is a mental illness
the left says thats torture and wants to be able to be passive aggressively mental ill
the right worships the rich elite owner class that is mentally ill
the left thinks drugs and extramarital sex is OK and not mentally ill
everyone thinks they should get laid and be able to eat whatever they want

America is going to die in it's own feces.

For Jibartik scaphism (https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=scaphism)

thank Blackbellemy, I think.

[BlackBellamy]

In 2011 a man went to an island and shot to death 67 people and wounded another 32, most of them children. He walked across the island and methodically slaughtered people who couldn't escape.

Norway is a very liberal country, run by progressives. It ranks #1 on socialprogress.org. It's so progressive that instead of an execution chamber it gave Anders Behring Breivik an Xbox so he can play it in his cell. I wonder if it's just racing games or if they gave him Call of Duty?

For such a progressive nation Norway did not change it's gun laws. Today an 18-year old can buy a gun and 1 in 10 households own a gun.

Why didn't Norway change it's gun laws? Don't they care about their children?

[Domo]

it sounds cold, but with so many guns in 1 country its just a matter of time till the next loser going to shot innocent humans. No matter how many new gun laws you put into place.

a gun ban would take at least 10 years to destroy most private guns, but it would lower the chance of mass-shootings dramtic.

but we talking here about america. For some/many(?) americans the 2nd amendment is a piece of history. The 2nd amendment might make no sence nowdays anymore but for many its part of their country DNA and these people will never give their guns up. They rather kill the people who want to take away their guns or die for it.

It would takes years to make it happen but a clean cut would end this problem on a long run.

But yeah, I dont see its happening. Maybe in 100 or 300 years.

Mass shootings will continue in every country, but in america it will happen more often than in other countrys.

Nothing gonna change.

Talk to ya at the next mass shooting topic

[Mblake1981]

stuff a sausage in it.

[Reiwa]

For such a progressive nation Norway did not change it's gun laws. Today an 18-year old can buy a gun and 1 in 10 households own a gun.

Why didn't Norway change it's gun laws? Don't they care about their children?

I wonder if the benefit analysis would give a different answer in a country where guns outnumber people.

https://i.imgur.com/V8S7bHs.jpg

[Lune]

As much as I support adding some safeguards to the purchase process for guns, I really don't think this is happening because of access to guns. People in many other countries have lots of access to guns and this still happens far, far more frequently here, there's no comparison.

Life in the US is, for many, just too alienating, lonely, and just plain terrible. Human beings were meant to function in close knit communities and extended family clans. You're supposed to live in a house or compound with multiple generations, surrounded by lots of cousins, nieces & nephews, etc, as well as peers who you interact with on a daily basis.

Many American kids grow up in a single family household, and among those, many with only one parent or shared time between parents. Their only exposure to social interaction outside their immediate family is likely to be at school, but with the advent of the internet and social media, there is less meaningful and personal interaction with peers outside school. My wife is a teacher and she is seeing it. These kids are fucking socially retarded. They aren't even having sex with each other anymore. Many text with each other instead of talking, even if they are in the same room. How many people do you think regularly played team sports or other team activities and ended up being mass murderers? (For reasons other than political or ideological extremism)

In social isolation, mental illnesses are allowed to metastasize and you end up with monsters. Among mass shooters, this is virtually universal. Very, very few of them were socially integrated beyond their immediate family and rarely a handful of friends.

So I'd argue our problem is less associated with guns, and more associated with the American way of life and how much it just flat out fucking sucks for millions.

[robayon]

So I'd argue our problem is less associated with guns, and more associated with the American way of life and how much it just flat out fucking sucks for millions.o7 Well stated

[loramin]

Some reading/viewing material ... that probably won't change anyone's mind, because you could shoot fifty babies in front of a gun nut and they still would only care about their 2nd amendment rights:


Global gun violence and laws compared — by the numbers (https://www.politico.eu/article/global-gun-violence-and-laws-compared-by-the-numbers/?utm_source=digg) (After a shooting at a Texas school, many Europeans are once again puzzled by the lax gun laws in the US.)
Ted Cruz Was Left Speechless After A Reporter Asked Him Why Mass Shootings Only Happen In America (https://digg.com/video/ted-cruz-was-left-speechless-after-a-reporter-asked-him-why-mass-shootings-only-happen-in-america)
Abbott calls Texas school shooting a mental health issue but cut state spending for it (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/abbott-calls-texas-school-shooting-mental-health-issue-cut-state-spend-rcna30557)
(While such programs require more funding, they wouldn't eliminate the need for gun control, experts said.)

[Botten]

In 2011 a man went to an island and shot to death 67 people and wounded another 32, most of them children. He walked across the island and methodically slaughtered people who couldn't escape.

Norway is a very liberal country, run by progressives. It ranks #1 on socialprogress.org. It's so progressive that instead of an execution chamber it gave Anders Behring Breivik an Xbox so he can play it in his cell. I wonder if it's just racing games or if they gave him Call of Duty?

For such a progressive nation Norway did not change it's gun laws. Today an 18-year old can buy a gun and 1 in 10 households own a gun.

Why didn't Norway change it's gun laws? Don't they care about their children?

Other Countries Had Mass Shootings. Then They Changed Their Gun Laws. (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/25/world/europe/gun-laws-australia-britain.html) - Australia

Canada also tightened gun laws after a 1989 mass shooting. So did Germany in 2002, New Zealand in 2019 and Norway last year.

yeah time to rethink gun laws

[Rethalis]

it sounds cold, but with so many guns in 1 country its just a matter of time till the next loser going to shot innocent humans. No matter how many new gun laws you put into place.

a gun ban would take at least 10 years to destroy most private guns, but it would lower the chance of mass-shootings dramtic.

but we talking here about america. For some/many(?) americans the 2nd amendment is a piece of history. The 2nd amendment might make no sence nowdays anymore but for many its part of their country DNA and these people will never give their guns up. They rather kill the people who want to take away their guns or die for it.

It would takes years to make it happen but a clean cut would end this problem on a long run.

But yeah, I dont see its happening. Maybe in 100 or 300 years.

Mass shootings will continue in every country, but in america it will happen more often than in other countrys.

Nothing gonna change.

Talk to ya at the next mass shooting topic

How about we get rid of gun free zones instead. Said it before, never heard of a mass shooting at a gun show.

[Ooloo]

Other Countries Had Mass Shootings. Then They Changed Their Gun Laws. (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/25/world/europe/gun-laws-australia-britain.html) - Australia

Canada also tightened gun laws after a 1989 mass shooting. So did Germany in 2002, New Zealand in 2019 and Norway last year.

yeah time to rethink gun laws

Meaning what, exactly? Can't one of you guys ever provide some kind of clear proposal?

I mean you cite Australia, so I guess your idea is to just ban and confiscate all guns? What could go wrong!

The main problem with these mass shootings is that they make people abandon all reason, understandably, because they are horrific events especially when we're talking about kids and they make everyone's emotions fire off, because NOBODY wants this to happen no matter how much you delusionally pretend that republicans don't care about this or something.

But the media doesn't sensationalize all of the thousands of cases of somebody using a gun to defend their own life or somebody else's every year. You'd have to scour every local news affiliate in every city for a year to actually understand how frequently that happens. It's not gonna be on CNN all day for a week when those things happen.

What about those numbers? How many people would have been beaten\stabbed\raped had they not been allowed to own a gun? You have to take that into consideration too before you Beto-out like a psycho and pompously throw a tantrum for political points while 19 families are absolutely shattered and he comes in and makes it all about HIM and his radical, retarded, incoherent ideas.

[Botten]

Meaning what, exactly? Can't one of you guys ever provide some kind of clear proposal?

Done even in this thread
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3462304#post3462304

I mean you cite Australia, so I guess your idea is to just ban and confiscate all guns? What could go wrong!

Nope

The main problem with these mass shootings is that they make people abandon all reason, understandably, because they are horrific events especially when we're talking about kids and they make everyone's emotions fire off, because NOBODY wants this to happen no matter how much you delusionally pretend that republicans don't care about this or something.

Like abortion? Baler *foot in mouth

But the media doesn't sensationalize all of the thousands of cases of somebody using a gun to defend their own life or somebody else's every year. You'd have to scour every local news affiliate in every city for a year to actually understand how frequently that happens. It's not gonna be on CNN all day for a week when those things happen.

And YOU.. with no statistics as usual... what a dilemma.


What about those numbers? How many people would have been beaten\stabbed\raped had they not been allowed to own a gun?

Ahhh yes the Ben S. way... have your opponent do the work for you on statistics but fudge the info with confidence for your audience.

Hilariously..

Shapiro famously stated that rap was technically not music, and that he had verified this fact with his father, who Shapiro stated was a musicologist.

Shapiro later stated that he had made a mistake.

But that doesn’t explain why his father would tell him an untruth.

The possibilities are:

i) Shapiro’s father is at odds with the rest of his field, and either didn’t tell Shapiro that, or Shapiro chose not to pass this on.

ii) Shapiro misunderstood what his father said. Perhaps he heard what he wanted to hear.

iii) Shapiro never asked his father, and was lying.

In all cases, the answer to your question is “Ben Shapiro does not back up his argument with facts. He backs up his argument with what he claims are facts.”



The only one that is crazy and uninformed is you Baler.

[Mblake1981]

As much as I support adding some safeguards to the purchase process for guns, I really don't think this is happening because of access to guns. People in many other countries have lots of access to guns and this still happens far, far more frequently here, there's no comparison.

Life in the US is, for many, just too alienating, lonely, and just plain terrible. Human beings were meant to function in close knit communities and extended family clans. You're supposed to live in a house or compound with multiple generations, surrounded by lots of cousins, nieces & nephews, etc, as well as peers who you interact with on a daily basis.

Many American kids grow up in a single family household, and among those, many with only one parent or shared time between parents. Their only exposure to social interaction outside their immediate family is likely to be at school, but with the advent of the internet and social media, there is less meaningful and personal interaction with peers outside school. My wife is a teacher and she is seeing it. These kids are fucking socially retarded. They aren't even having sex with each other anymore. Many text with each other instead of talking, even if they are in the same room. How many people do you think regularly played team sports or other team activities and ended up being mass murderers? (For reasons other than political or ideological extremism)

In social isolation, mental illnesses are allowed to metastasize and you end up with monsters. Among mass shooters, this is virtually universal. Very, very few of them were socially integrated beyond their immediate family and rarely a handful of friends.

So I'd argue our problem is less associated with guns, and more associated with the American way of life and how much it just flat out fucking sucks for millions.

Why be pro Russian? Commies are bad and against freedom

o7 Well stated

Some reading/viewing material ... that probably won't change anyone's mind, because you could shoot fifty babies in front of a gun nut and they still would only care about their 2nd amendment rights:


Global gun violence and laws compared — by the numbers (https://www.politico.eu/article/global-gun-violence-and-laws-compared-by-the-numbers/?utm_source=digg) (After a shooting at a Texas school, many Europeans are once again puzzled by the lax gun laws in the US.)
Ted Cruz Was Left Speechless After A Reporter Asked Him Why Mass Shootings Only Happen In America (https://digg.com/video/ted-cruz-was-left-speechless-after-a-reporter-asked-him-why-mass-shootings-only-happen-in-america)
Abbott calls Texas school shooting a mental health issue but cut state spending for it (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/abbott-calls-texas-school-shooting-mental-health-issue-cut-state-spend-rcna30557)
(While such programs require more funding, they wouldn't eliminate the need for gun control, experts said.)


How quick did people start in on guns again? iirc the bodies were still warm.

The stateless are owed no protection by any Sovereign.

Some shit like that ring your bell?

No, I am American. How exactly should this have rung my bell?

AnXh3XR9zyM

[DMN]

Like i predicted after the "eco terrorist" in australia, this sort of thing is only going to increase in frequency. People are checking out of society for a multitude of reasons, some of their own volition while others tossed out. A portion of these "refuges" will eventually decide to burn everything down.

[Botten]

How about we get rid of gun free zones instead. Said it before, never heard of a mass shooting at a gun show.

The meme appears to be an effort to support the gun-advocate talking points.

In 2008, an 8-year-old boy died after accidentally shooting himself in the head at a gun show in Massachusetts. In 2014, a 9-year-old girl accidentally shot and killed her instructor at a gun range in Arizona.

In addition, a number of gun-related deaths and injuries have occurred at gun shows proper, according to numerous news reports. Among them, five people in three states were injured when weapons accidentally went off at gun shows in one day in January 2013, while a man seriously injured himself outside an Iowa gun show by accidentally shooting himself in 2018.

A 2017 study by the University of California at Berkeley found “a nearly 70 percent increase in deaths and injuries from firearms in California communities within convenient driving distance of Nevada gun shows.” The state of Nevada “has some of the least restrictive firearm laws in the country and no explicit regulations on gun shows” whereas California “has some of the strongest firearm laws in the country,” per the study.

[Skarne]

Yeah Baler sucks. Anyways how's your sex life?

[strongNpretty]

Well, thats what happens when you make humans pay their own hard earned money to have their fucking brain checked out by a professional..

Sorry but, anybody who is financially strapped will not be wasting money on a mental health check up, or paying for weekly therapy or psych appointments.

How it actually works- is you bottle everything up, hoping things improve, and when it finally boils over, shit hits the fan in the blink of an eye, and people hurt themselves or others..

But yeah, go ahead and make us pay for these kinda services.. It's clearly working out well....

[robayon]

Meaning what, exactly? Can't one of you guys ever provide some kind of clear proposal?

The main problem with these mass shootings is that they make people abandon all reason1.) You didn't provide a clear proposal in all of your bloviated post, either, Ooloo. Unless "do absolutely nothing" counts as a proposal.

2.) I reckon the main problem with the mass shootings is probably, you know, the death and heartbreak they cause.

But do go off, doing the very thing you're criticizing in a post yet again. Amazing job, so much posted but so little said

[Lune]

How about we get rid of gun free zones instead. Said it before, never heard of a mass shooting at a gun show.

Both the Uvalde elementary school and Buffalo grocery store had armed guards present. Of course people don't shoot up gun shows. It's a hard target. If your goal is to kill a bunch of people, you're likely going to find a soft target. Of course, mass murders have occurred in or near hard targets. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Fort_Hood_shooting)

Here's the thing about guns: surprise and initiative are about a 1,000x force multiplier. The defender has virtually no chance against the attacker when surprise is involved. Most of these mass shooters are suicidal, fully intending to either be killed by cops or to kill themselves. Why the fuck do you think it would matter if every teacher were carrying a machine gun? If you make schools a hard target, they're only going to find some other soft target, and meanwhile you'll have a bunch of gun accidents and aggravated assaults turned into murders because a gun was available at hand.

Read my above post, I don't think gun control is the answer to this, but your post is just completely illogical.

[Ooloo]

1.) You didn't provide a clear proposal in all of your bloviated post, either, Ooloo. Unless "do absolutely nothing" counts as a proposal.

2.) I reckon the main problem with the mass shootings is probably, you know, the death and heartbreak they cause.

But do go off, doing the very thing you're criticizing in a post yet again. Amazing job, so much posted but so little said

I repeatedly, repeatedly suggested having armed professional security at schools (NOT armed teachers). And no, the fact that "Hey one time there was a guard and they just ran away soooooo THAT'LL never work" isn't even a shred of an argument.

I also keep raising the same question over and over about the thousands and thousands of uses of firearms to save lives every year, and then Botten crapped something out about Ben shapiro, and something about like two accidents at gun shows over the course of like 30 years. If you take guns out of society, everyone who has ever defended themself (or someone else) from a stabbing, beating, mugging, or raping would probably be dead. You have to account for that reality, before you start suggesting anything even remotely like Australia.

And hey sure raise minimum age to 21 if you want, not that I think it'll make much of a dent. The worst mass shooting in history was some 50 year old guy.

[robayon]

That's great Ooloo, way to sidestep your repeated blatant hypocrisy, but that is not my position so I don't know why you mentioned it to me.

I do not support gun grabbing by any government official. The problem is bigger than guns. And no amount of armed guards will prevent all of this for the same reason no amount of gun grabbing will prevent all of this. This isn't a single policy solution because it's obviously a systemic issue.

Feel free to cite statistics for once in your posting career. Matt Walsh videos do not count.

[robayon]

Here's a proposal: make it legal for only women to own firearms

Also, if you transition from male to female, you gain the ability to legally own a gun

[starkind]

In 2011 a man went to an island and shot to death 67 people and wounded another 32, most of them children. He walked across the island and methodically slaughtered people who couldn't escape.

Norway is a very liberal country, run by progressives. It ranks #1 on socialprogress.org. It's so progressive that instead of an execution chamber it gave Anders Behring Breivik an Xbox so he can play it in his cell. I wonder if it's just racing games or if they gave him Call of Duty?

For such a progressive nation Norway did not change it's gun laws. Today an 18-year old can buy a gun and 1 in 10 households own a gun.

Why didn't Norway change it's gun laws? Don't they care about their children?

cuz its not about guns

guns don't kill ppl like all by themselves lawl

[Skarne]

Let’s be real…if any GOP congressman or senators kids were at that school, they would do something tomorrow. The party follows an ego maniac with absolutely no integrity who values the dollar over human life. I also believe they want this division between the parties. They left debates, have conventions in Hungary, and an NRA convention with no guns allowed the very same week in Houston. They can’t even answer direct questions in front of a camera.

People are okay with it though so there’s that. I’m looking forward to the next time I’m called a groomer for pointing out the obvious.

[Skarne]

Also, the GA senate race will be interesting. We got Uncle Phil vs Uncle Ruckus over here.

[Ooloo]

Here's a proposal: make it legal for only women to own firearms

Also, if you transition from male to female, you gain the ability to legally own a gun

I completely agree the problem is bigger than guns. Where the hell were the adults in this kid's life when he was *obviously* acting like a psycho for years before this happened? Probably start there.

And no making guns legally available only to women is *completely* missing the point about equalization of force. A shrimpy dude getting beaten to death by some 300 pound psycho is the exact same principle at play.

Again I'm not going to provide stats that are freely available on google. You have access to google. You've proven too many times that when somebody provides stats you don't like, you say those stats don't count for blah blah blah reason (usually cause you just don't like the source).

I'd like some explanation for why the left has such a hate boner for rifles too? The vast majority of gun homicides are committed with common hand guns. They just get emotionally bamboozled by these insanely horrific events and the fact the shooter had a scary looking rifle.

[unsunghero]

Both the Uvalde elementary school and Buffalo grocery store had armed guards present. Of course people don't shoot up gun shows. It's a hard target. If your goal is to kill a bunch of people, you're likely going to find a soft target. Of course, mass murders have occurred in or near hard targets. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Fort_Hood_shooting)

Here's the thing about guns: surprise and initiative are about a 1,000x force multiplier. The defender has virtually no chance against the attacker when surprise is involved. Most of these mass shooters are suicidal, fully intending to either be killed by cops or to kill themselves. Why the fuck do you think it would matter if every teacher were carrying a machine gun? If you make schools a hard target, they're only going to find some other soft target, and meanwhile you'll have a bunch of gun accidents and aggravated assaults turned into murders because a gun was available at hand.

Read my above post, I don't think gun control is the answer to this, but your post is just completely illogical.

Ya, and also the type of gun doesn’t matter as much as the circumstances

The Virginia tech shooter killed like 36 full grown adults with only 2 pistols because he chained the two exits to the building shut so no one could leave

Same deal with this most recent shooter. He could have used a single-shot break barrel shotgun and killed as many kids when he’s locked the only exit, just would have taken slightly longer

I still personally think an increase in armed and well-trained security (same as we have to protect our politicians, concerts, airports, just about everywhere else involving mass gathering of adults) would do more to deter mass shooters than any specific gun law

[Skarne]

https://twitter.com/_sir_perfluous/status/1529584296415186952

[DMN]

Let’s be real…if any GOP congressman or senators kids were at that school, they would do something tomorrow. The party follows an ego maniac with absolutely no integrity who values the dollar over human life. I also believe they want this division between the parties. They left debates, have conventions in Hungary, and an NRA convention with no guns allowed the very same week in Houston. They can’t even answer direct questions in front of a camera.

People are okay with it though so there’s that. I’m looking forward to the next time I’m called a groomer for pointing out the obvious.

people like you are a big part of the problem. politicize shit, racialize shit, sexualize shit, -isms and otherings. You don't remember the lefty that nearly killed a bunch of republicans at a softball game? Oh but that one congressman/senator is going to amend the whole fucking constitution. Seriously, try rubbing those last two brain cells togther to maybe come up with something not profoundly stupid.

[loramin]

people like you are a big part of the problem. politicize shit, racialize shit, sexualize shit, -isms and otherings. You don't remember the lefty that nearly killed a bunch of republicans at a softball game? Oh but that one congressman/senator is going to amend the whole fucking constitution. Seriously, try rubbing those last two brain cells togther to maybe come up with something not profoundly stupid.

The constitution doesn't give you a right to own a gun: it gives you the right to be part of a well-organized and regulated militia. The Supreme Court made the individual right to own a gun up.

[Skarne]

people like you are a big part of the problem. politicize shit, racialize shit, sexualize shit, -isms and otherings. You don't remember the lefty that nearly killed a bunch of republicans at a softball game? Oh but that one congressman/senator is going to amend the whole fucking constitution. Seriously, try rubbing those last two brain cells togther to maybe come up with something not profoundly stupid.

Haha whataboutism- what an effective and intelligent argument. Ah! Another insult! Hearts and minds eh? You feel the way you want my guy. If you can't see what's happening then there's no hope for you.

Why is the republican party split?

[unsunghero]

The constitution doesn't give you a right to own a gun: it gives you the right to be part of a well-organized and regulated militia. The Supreme Court made the individual right to own a gun up.

Yes but gun law proponents need to acknowledge the fact that there are 400 million guns in the USA, which makes these laws relative ineffective in states that have stricter gun laws

Boo hoo, I wish America never got like this isn’t constructive thinking. It is this way, we can bitch about it all we want but can’t change that now. So how does a NEW gun law in this country work effectively as a deterrent?

[Ooloo]

The constitution doesn't give you a right to own a gun: it gives you the right to be part of a well-organized and regulated militia. The Supreme Court made the individual right to own a gun up.

Haha what do you think a militia IS?

It's the citizenry being armed. That's literally what it is. Please don't pretend you actually give a shit about things being constitutional or not.

I didn't realize the supreme court just makes stuff up! It's almost like their whole job is to interpret the constitution and safeguard it's intent. If you disagree with their interpretation that's fine, but they aren't "making things up" just because you don't like their conclusion.

[DMN]

The constitution doesn't give you a right to own a gun: it gives you the right to be part of a well-organized and regulated militia. The Supreme Court made the individual right to own a gun up.

I take you have neither studied the constitution nor the law much?

[Rethalis]

The meme appears to be an effort to support the gun-advocate talking points.

In 2008, an 8-year-old boy died after accidentally shooting himself in the head at a gun show in Massachusetts. In 2014, a 9-year-old girl accidentally shot and killed her instructor at a gun range in Arizona.

In addition, a number of gun-related deaths and injuries have occurred at gun shows proper, according to numerous news reports. Among them, five people in three states were injured when weapons accidentally went off at gun shows in one day in January 2013, while a man seriously injured himself outside an Iowa gun show by accidentally shooting himself in 2018.

A 2017 study by the University of California at Berkeley found “a nearly 70 percent increase in deaths and injuries from firearms in California communities within convenient driving distance of Nevada gun shows.” The state of Nevada “has some of the least restrictive firearm laws in the country and no explicit regulations on gun shows” whereas California “has some of the strongest firearm laws in the country,” per the study.

Keyword: *mass* shooting.

Thanks though.

[robayon]

Again I'm not going to provide stats that are freely available on google. You have access to google. You've proven too many times that when somebody provides stats you don't like, you say those stats don't count for blah blah blah reason (usually cause you just don't like the source).Layered bullshit. I've never had to do that because none of you right wing dudes here ever provide sources for shit, especially you.

And once again, you just panic. This is obviously because you just make things up. I want to see the specific source for your specific claims, Ooloo. Not that it actually exists.

The one time you even halfassedly tried with me it was a Matt Walsh video. Absolutely laughable. I have seen teenagers do a better job of backing up their claims in reddit posts

But whatever, it's irrelevant, since your proposal is still a whole lot of nothing

[unsunghero]

- background check wouldn’t have stopped this shooter, had no criminal record. Most of the gun violence in this country is perpetuated by felons with criminal records who are not legally allowed to own guns but still do

- waiting period would not have stopped this shooter, he had this thing planned like most do and likely have been willing to wait

- Red flag laws would not have stopped this shooter. These I don’t have a problem with but the FBI frankly SUCKS at them. One of the previous shooters posted online they were going to be a “professional school shooter”, was reported, and the FBI didn’t do shit

- Making it age 21 to buy a gun MIGHT have stopped this shooter, depending on his resourcefulness. He could still buy one from a friend, family member, or just whoever on the street if he had any connections at all. But I’ve already said I don’t have a huge problem personally with making legal age to buy a gun 21, mostly because I’m ageist against 18yr olds and think they’re morons

Just brainstorming because a lot of people are bitching about guns but not proposing any laws that could stop this sort of thing, unless they did and I missed it, I’ve only skimmed most posts

[Rethalis]

The constitution doesn't give you a right to own a gun: it gives you the right to be part of a well-organized and regulated militia. The Supreme Court made the individual right to own a gun up.

Read it again and take note where the commas are placed. It's pretty important.


A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

[Skarne]

Layered bullshit. I've never had to do that because none of you right wing dudes here ever provide sources for shit, especially you.

And once again, you just panic. This is obviously because you just make things up. I want to see the specific source for your specific claims, Ooloo. Not that it actually exists.

The one time you even halfassedly tried with me it was a Matt Walsh video. Absolutely laughable. I have seen teenagers do a better job of backing up their claims in reddit posts

But whatever, it's irrelevant, since your proposal is still a whole lot of nothing

I have also noticed this. Well put.

[robayon]

Just brainstorming because a lot of people are bitching about guns but not proposing any laws that could stop this sort of thing, unless they did and I missed it, I’ve only skimmed most postsI proposed only women and trans women should legally be permitted to own and operate firearms

That might have stopped this dude, and a lot of other crimes. All, no, but some, probably. And it would still prevent a good bit of violence against women perpetrated by men

[loramin]

Read it again and take note where the commas are placed. It's pretty important.


A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

So what's your point: let's just ignore the first half of the amendment, clearly the framers didn't think it mattered because they used commas?

And as a side note, the English language was significantly different hundreds of years ago, so applying any of our modern understanding of commas to it would be incorrect.

[Rethalis]

So what's your point: let's just ignore the first half of the amendment, clearly the framers didn't think it matter because they used commas?

Googled for you. https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+a+comma+used+for&oq=what+is+a+comma+&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j0i512l8.6828j0j9&client=ms-android-samsung-rvo1&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

The comma functions as a tool to indicate to readers a certain separation of words, phrases, or ideas in order to prevent misreading the writer's intended meaning. When a sentence is spoken aloud, a comma often represents a pause, which in verbal conversation functions to clarify meaning

[Ooloo]

Layered bullshit. I've never had to do that because none of you right wing dudes here ever provide sources for shit, especially you.

And once again, you just panic. This is obviously because you just make things up. I want to see the specific source for your specific claims, Ooloo. Not that it actually exists.

The one time you even halfassedly tried with me it was a Matt Walsh video. Absolutely laughable. I have seen teenagers do a better job of backing up their claims in reddit posts

But whatever, it's irrelevant, since your proposal is still a whole lot of nothing

Man you are really salty about that Matt Walsh thing. Kinda proves my point about your relationship with statistics (Hint: He has a staff who researches everything on his show; which is what lends it legitimacy as a source. You just don't like him personally so you fabricate the idea that *he* is just fabricating things for some reason?)

[Rethalis]

I proposed only women and trans women should legally be permitted to own and operate firearms

That might have stopped this dude, and a lot of other crimes. All, no, but some, probably. And it would still prevent a good bit of violence against women perpetrated by men

That creates an unjust hierarchy man

[Skarne]

Man you are really salty about that Matt Walsh thing. Kinda proves my point about your relationship with statistics (Hint: He has a staff who researches everything on his show; which is what lends it legitimacy as a source. You just don't like him personally so you fabricate the idea that *he* is just fabricating things for some reason?)

Here’s an actual statistic for ya.

https://adfontesmedia.com/matt-walsh-show-bias-and-reliability/

[oldschoolguy]

ha you guys want to ban guns to save some psycho from killing 10 people.

1) you ain't stopping that psycho from killing 10 people. Just look that piece of shit Darrel Brooks who used a car instead, or Tsarnaev Brothers who used pressure cookers. Pressure cookers work even better, because of remote detonation. Harsh reality, if a psycho really wants you dead, you are fucking dead.

2) you give up your guns, your ass will be in mass grave along with your family killed by your own government "for your own good", like Jews on a train to Auschwitz, walk into that gas chamber with a fucking smile thinking it's a shower.

[Skarne]

ha you guys want to ban guns to save some psycho from killing 10 people.

1) you ain't stopping that psycho from killing 10 people. Just look that piece of shit Darrel Brooks who used a car instead, or Tsarnaev Brothers who used pressure cookers. Pressure cookers work even better, because of remote detonation. Harsh reality, if a psycho really wants you dead, you are fucking dead.

2) you give up your guns, your ass will be in mass grave along with your family killed by your own government "for your own good", like Jews on a train to Auschwitz, walk into that gas chamber with a fucking smile thinking it's a shower.

Your minimization of mass shootings is disgusting but it fits your username perfectly. Other countries don’t have this problem it’s an American problem. I don’t think guns should be banned but to act as if nothing should be done is irresponsible and gross.

[robayon]

Man you are really salty about that Matt Walsh thing. Kinda proves my point about your relationship with statistics (Hint: He has a staff who researches everything on his show; which is what lends it legitimacy as a source. You just don't like him personally so you fabricate the idea that *he* is just fabricating things for some reason?)Blah blah blah, attempt to redirect the conversation. This isn't a source for your claims either. All it takes is a copy paste, Ooloo. Until you do that I assume you are just lying, as usual.

That creates an unjust hierarchy manWhat can I say? Some are necessary for safety. Even we anarchists tell our kids we are in charge until they're old enough to make their own decisions

Don't worry, my proposal would never pass because men in America are largely cowards

[Knowledge]

All I got in this world are my word, and my balls. And I don't break em for no one.

[robayon]

All I got in this world are my word, and my balls. And I don't break em for no one.tfw when no gf

[MrSparkle001]

Relax, there are armed guards at banks. I think kids are more important than money, personally. I don't think it's a fucked up thing to say at all.

Again arming actual teachers is a whole other can of worms, and I don't support that unless we are really specific about how exactly that would be implemented, safety/training wise.

Sorry bro I meant in general saying that is fucked up. The fact that we even have to say it is fucked up.

The idea that some want to arm teachers and have armed guards to help stop school shootings is all fucked up. That should not even be a concern but because society in the U.S. is declining fast we have to worry about these things.

[Reiwa]

Canada also tightened gun laws after a 1989 mass shooting.

École Polytechnique massacre (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89cole_Polytechnique_massacre)

Them incel hosers is from Canada, eh?

[loramin]

Your minimization of mass shootings is disgusting but it fits your username perfectly. Other countries don’t have this problem it’s an American problem. I don’t think guns should be banned but to act as if nothing should be done is irresponsible and gross.

[Reiwa]

The constitution doesn't give you a right to own a gun: it gives you the right to be part of a well-organized and regulated militia. The Supreme Court made the individual right to own a gun up.

This is correct. Textualism is just judicial activism with extra steps.

[BlackBellamy]

I have a solution to gun crime.

Some cities use a system called Shotspotter, which detects gunshots. So what we're going to do is put a pole up on every block and around schools and...everywhere really. And we'll have Shotspotter on there and also on the very top a hunter killer drone. And that drone will instantly take off and home in on the sound and blow up, unless it detects a law-enforcement transponder in the target area. As technology develops, the drone could carry a disabling payload and also could use pattern recognition to clamp onto the gunman. No need to injure bystanders.

We will issue hunter and sport-shooter transponders that will work in selected geofences.

Fully compliant with the 2nd Amendment. No one's rights are being violated. I am a genius.

I got more.

To deal with actors who penetrate school or event perimeter and enter the crowd, we would use ground roaming drones provided by Boston Dynamics. Covered in fur and sporting friendly googly-eyes and floppy ears they should prove a welcome companion to the children it guards. Each school would receive two such drones, one for the inside and one for the playground. Both could be programmed with instructional or fun activities meant to stimulate learning, when their super-quick response time and razor sharp talons aren't busy dispatching an incoming threat.

The children are safe and the teacher can put their gun away.

Solved gun problem, solved children safety problem, let's see...are there any problems that can't be solved by robots?

I know this is all obvious but I believe I'm the first one to bring it up. I will mention this forum in my Nobel Prize acceptance tweet.

[Skarne]

I have a solution to gun crime.

Some cities use a system called Shotspotter, which detects gunshots. So what we're going to do is put a pole up on every block and around schools and...everywhere really. And we'll have Shotspotter on there and also on the very top a hunter killer drone. And that drone will instantly take off and home in on the sound and blow up, unless it detects a law-enforcement transponder in the target area. As technology develops, the drone could carry a disabling payload and also could use pattern recognition to clamp onto the gunman. No need to injure bystanders.

We will issue hunter and sport-shooter transponders that will work in selected geofences.

Fully compliant with the 2nd Amendment. No one's rights are being violated. I am a genius.

I got more.

To deal with actors who penetrate school or event perimeter and enter the crowd, we would use ground roaming drones provided by Boston Dynamics. Covered in fur and sporting friendly googly-eyes and floppy ears they should prove a welcome companion to the children it guards. Each school would receive two such drones, one for the inside and one for the playground. Both could be programmed with instructional or fun activities meant to stimulate learning, when their super-quick response time and razor sharp talons aren't busy dispatching an incoming threat.

The children are safe and the teacher can put their gun away.

Solved gun problem, solved children safety problem, let's see...are there any problems that can't be solved by robots?

I know this is all obvious but I believe I'm the first one to bring it up. I will mention this forum in my Nobel Prize acceptance tweet.

Haha this gave me quite a chuckle.

[Ooloo]

Here’s an actual statistic for ya.

https://adfontesmedia.com/matt-walsh-show-bias-and-reliability/

How do you know that "adfontesmedia.com" is unbiased and reliable, but that matt walsh's show isn't?

Here's a source btw, completely nuking the idea that this is a uniquely american problem. Again, you have to so drastically distort and cherry pick stats to make that case it becomes completely absurd. I've now provided an actual scientific paper; I look forward to your flailing about why it's totally bad and megawrong.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3289010

[Jibartik]

Other countries don’t have this problem it’s an American problem.

Heres another thing that other countries dont have: Individual american exceptionalism.

Maybe, just maybe it's not the guns fault. Maybe it's the American attitude that "everyone is out to get you, nobody is your friend, money talks and people walk, everyone is a leach of the system, everyone is taking from you, everyone is a thief and looking to take something from you, your parents are boomer assholes, your grandparents are racist ass holes, dont trust anybody, rock and roll is forever, fuck the man, fuck everyone and fuck the system.

Maybe just maybe that cultural identity that every individual is the boss and everyone else is trying to take advantage of them, turns kids who are not quite well in the head, into killers.

I don’t think guns should be banned but to act as if nothing should be done is irresponsible and gross.

Something could be done, and it could have nothing to do with guns. But nothing will be done, because the same people that want to do something about it would rather let american exceptionalism drive them to prove that they are the boss and that they are right and will be damned if they will change their mind.

What we need is for every single dollar that is spent on taking guns away, to be spent on care facilities for people who need care.

Then you'll see an end to these mass shootings.

BUT NOOOO it's ELONS fault for not ending world hunger all by himself.

[Skarne]

How do you know that "adfontesmedia.com" is unbiased and reliable, but that matt walsh's show isn't?

Here's a source btw, completely nuking the idea that this is a uniquely american problem. Again, you have to so drastically distort and cherry pick stats to make that case it becomes completely absurd. I've now provided an actual scientific paper; I look forward to your flailing about why it's totally bad and megawrong.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3289010

You yourself just cherry picked an article by a gun rights activist/economist and passed it off as unbiased.

I’m sure the organization I linked is biased. All media is biased to a degree it’s impossible not to be. That’s why we have the scientific method to create facts and findings. So your point is just another bad argument.

Also Matt Walsh is widely considered a white supremacist which doesn’t help anything in this country other than the small dick energy of the GOP.

[Jibartik]

All media is biased to a degree it’s impossible not to be.

This is a missed conception.

Like, yes, all information is biased.

The fact that it has to either be biased to align with the republican parties mission, or the democrat parties, is what people say when they say that news source is biased.

Having someone who hates murder report on crime does not invalidate the article because the author was biased against crime for gods sake.

It's possible to write an unbiased article. You just have to keep your "politics" out of it, it's not impossible.

I would argue that it is more impossible to not INFER bias when you READ an article, because no matter what anyone who is left reading this post is going to say that Im some tucker putin simp for saying anything at all.

[Skarne]

Heres another thing that other countries dont have: Individual american exceptionalism.

Maybe, just maybe it's not the guns fault. Maybe it's the American attitude that "everyone is out to get you, nobody is your friend, money talks and people walk, everyone is a leach of the system, everyone is taking from you, everyone is a thief and looking to take something from you, your parents are boomer assholes, your grandparents are racist ass holes, dont trust anybody, rock and roll is forever, fuck the man, fuck everyone and fuck the system.

Maybe just maybe that cultural identity that every individual is the boss and everyone else is trying to take advantage of them, turns kids who are not quite well in the head, into killers.



Something could be done, and it could have nothing to do with guns. But nothing will be done, because the same people that want to do something about it would rather let american exceptionalism drive them to prove that they are the boss and that they are right and will be damned if they will change their mind.

What we need is for every single dollar that is spent on taking guns away, to be spent on care facilities for people who need care.

Then you'll see an end to these mass shootings.

BUT NOOOO it's ELONS fault for not ending world hunger all by himself.

I can follow what you’re saying. Maybe you’re right but idk. These problems are too complicated for me as an individual to even pretend I have the answers. Anyone can sit on their phone and say “this is how you do it” or “if I was in charge I’d…”

All I have is my opinion and it’s this: mass shootings keep happening. Nobody is doing anything at all to prevent them. Not even a little bit. Something has to change. Whether it’s mental health or stricter gun regulation I don’t give a shit how it happens. I just want something to be done, anything really.

All I hear is both sides whining and because of the divide in our country the 2 parties can’t even work together at this point. It’s disappointing. But I’ll also say I don’t think the answer is authoritarianism or forced religious doctrine through legislation or taking away gun rights.

[Skarne]

This is a missed conception.

Like, yes, all information is biased.

The fact that it has to either be biased to align with the republican parties mission, or the democrat parties, is what people say when they say that news source is biased.

Having someone who hates murder report on crime does not invalidate the article because the author was biased against crime for gods sake.

It's possible to write an unbiased article. You just have to keep your "politics" out of it, it's not impossible.

I don’t understand what you’re getting at here. It’s misconception btw.

[Skarne]

This is a missed conception.

Like, yes, all information is biased.

The fact that it has to either be biased to align with the republican parties mission, or the democrat parties, is what people say when they say that news source is biased.

Having someone who hates murder report on crime does not invalidate the article because the author was biased against crime for gods sake.

It's possible to write an unbiased article. You just have to keep your "politics" out of it, it's not impossible.

I would argue that it is more impossible to not INFER bias when you READ an article, because no matter what anyone who is left reading this post is going to say that Im some tucker putin simp for saying anything at all.


Aah now I see after the edit. No I can agree with you. That’s called confirmation bias- it’s huge these days and always has been. People have been this way since the beginning of recorded history. If you research about the people’s reaction to the Black Plague in the 1300’s, and compare it to how people reacted in the coronavirus pandemic, it’s actually pretty funny. Conspiracy theories galore too.

[Jibartik]

I can follow what you’re saying. Maybe you’re right but idk.

yeah who knows none of us, I sure done, I came up with this idea like 2 days ago, but I do think that our american exceptialism is a pretty big elephant in the room.

These problems are too complicated for me as an individual to even pretend I have the answers

Yeah, I mean its easy to say that in my nieghborhood we dont have mass shootings because nobody here has any guns really, but then again everyone here is rich and happy, so I shouldn't jump to conclusions. (also that Vegas shooter was rich, so its not just social status that causes these problems, he was however American... and opinionated.... I will say :o)

All I have is my opinion and it’s this: mass shootings keep happening. Nobody is doing anything at all to prevent them. Not even a little bit.

This much I would argue we do do... we do a litle bit, and that's the problem IMO, we're doing a bunch of "little things" to solve the problem, and the reality is that is just creating barriers of freedom to own firearms for those that are vocal and doesnt stop any future mass shooters)

Like take vegas for example, one guy out of how many mass shootings, 200? uses a bump stock, what do we do? Make bumpstocks illegal.

one 18 year old kid guys guns goes and does a mass shooting, what do we do? make it so you have to be 21...

next kid gets his guns from his dad... what do we do? Punish the parents.

Next kid shoots his grandma first... what do we do? Dont punish her because we feel bad...

We create all these little laws like plugging holes in a leaking dam like with our fingers.

I think the gun argument is so invalid at this point, if we didnt pass anything major yet, we wont pass anything major soon.

And not to mention we're about to lsoe Roe Wade how do we think we're going to limit gun ownership?

What we need is to be realistic, and solve our REAL problems, instead of barking at each other about the dream solutions to every problem.

This issue has been an issue for as long as your parents have been adults. We're not going to take guns away, unless we create a new goverment.

But we can care for people in our comminities, and if we spent (holy shit this random search said during a midterm ELECTION gun politics spends was 40 million dollars on marketing and messaging and loobbying)

Imagine if we spent 40 million a year on care for children in areas where they struggle.

That’s called confirmation bias- it’s huge these days and always has been. People have been this way since the beginning of recorded history. If you research about the people’s reaction to the Black Plague in the 1300’s, and compare it to how people reacted in the coronavirus pandemic, it’s actually pretty funny. Conspiracy theories galore too

yeah all the hyperbole that's why I love end times. Its always been an interest in me the way we build narratives.

I do think there is a chance that over the next 20 years America could devolve into a fricken really sad an violent place that resembles revelations though. (or back to the future 2) and that's just based the way our economy is looking and how the law says pyramid schemes work. :o

[Mblake1981]

The constitution doesn't give you a right to own a gun: it gives you the right to be part of a well-organized and regulated militia. The Supreme Court made the individual right to own a gun up.

lol, jackass

https://i.imgur.com/CvBUFS2.png

[Horza]

yeah who knows none of us, I sure done, I came up with this idea like 2 days ago, but I do think that our american exceptialism is a pretty big elephant in the room.



Yeah, I mean its easy to say that in my nieghborhood we dont have mass shootings because nobody here has any guns really, but then again everyone here is rich and happy, so I shouldn't jump to conclusions. (also that Vegas shooter was rich, so its not just social status that causes these problems, he was however American... and opinionated.... I will say hehe)



This much I would argue we DO do... we do a litle bit, and that's the problem, we're doing a bunch of "little things" to solve the problem, and the reality is that is just creating barriers of freedom to own firearms for those that are vocal and doesnt stop any future mass shooters)

Like take vegas for example, one guy out of how many mass shootings, 200? uses a bump stock, what do we do? Make bumpstocks illegal.

one 18 year old kid guys guns goes and does a mass shooting, what do we do? make it so you have to be 21...

next kid gets his guns from his dad... what do we do? Punish the parents.

Next kid shoots his grandma first... what do we do? Dont punish her because we feel bad...

We create all these little laws like plugging holes in a leaking dam like with our fingers.

I think the gun argument is so invalid at this point, if you didnt pass anything major yet, you wont pass anything major soon.

And not to mention you're about to lsoe Roe Wade how do you think you're going to limit gun ownership?

What we need is to be realistic, and solve our REAL problems, instead of barking at each other about the dream solutions to every problem.

This issue has been an issue for as long as your parents have been adults. We're not going to take guns away, unless we create a new goverment.

But we can care for people in our comminities, and if we spent (holy shit this random search said during a midterm ELECTION gun politics spends was 40 million dollars on marketing and messaging and loobbying)

Imagine if we spent 40 million a year on care for children in areas where they struggle.

All I'm getting from Jib's schizo rant today is that Republican incompetence is a self-fulfilling prophecy and so children must continue to be sacrificed to appease their retarded voters.

[Reiwa]

lol, jackass

https://i.imgur.com/CvBUFS2.png

Law-abiding?

[Jibartik]

All I'm getting from Jib's schizo rant today is that Republican incompetence is a self-fulfilling prophecy and so children must continue to be sacrificed to appease their retarded voters.

This quoted American exceptionalism is why someone goes out and kills a bunch of Americans that they think are evil.

[Skarne]

I do think there is a chance that over the next 20 years America could devolve into a fricken really sad an violent place that resembles revelations though. (or back to the future 2) and that's just based the way our economy is looking and how the law says pyramid schemes work. :o

I sure as fuck hope not. I don’t wanna have to kill anyone. I will say both sides seem to be fantasizing about another civil war which is disturbing.

[Mblake1981]

Law-abiding?

Did you miss the sign? check your autism at the door!

[Jibartik]

I sure as fuck hope not. I don’t wanna have to kill anyone. I will say both sides seem to be fantasizing about another civil war which is disturbing.

The way I see it is how I saw past relationships.

Things have been said that are unfixable IMO.

But, I never cease to be amazed at societies resilience and ability to completely forget that they said they were out for blood yesterday.

[Horza]

The way I see it is how I saw past relationships.

Things have been said that are unfixable IMO.

You say their messianic figure lost one little election and they tell you that it's time for Civil War 2.

[robayon]

How do you know that "adfontesmedia.com" is unbiased and reliable, but that matt walsh's show isn't?

Here's a source btw, completely nuking the idea that this is a uniquely american problem. Again, you have to so drastically distort and cherry pick stats to make that case it becomes completely absurd. I've now provided an actual scientific paper; I look forward to your flailing about why it's totally bad and megawrong.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3289010I'm gonna read this whole thing tonight

It is pretty funny to have you complain about "unbiased and reliable" sources in the post where you show us a source, as asked, from a guy who is known as "The Gun Crowd's Guru". I smell a "arrive at a conclusion then go looking for sources to corroborate" scenario. Hope I'm wrong!

Anyways, that doesn't mean the data is wrong, so I'm not gonna throw it out based on your hypocrisy. But it's about five :)

[Reiwa]

Did you miss the sign? check your autism at the door!

That is necessary and proper. I agree.

[Jibartik]

You say their messianic figure lost one little election and they tell you that it's time for Civil War 2.

♩ ♪ ♫ ♬ One side says the other's insurrecting.

♩ ♪ ♫ ♬ That same side tries to impeach on grounds that that the president is a KGB agent and was elected under false pretenses and an illegal operation to put a Russian into the highest office of the American democracy.

Potato ♩

Potato ♪

The left is as smart as a potato. ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬

Lets call the whole American experiment thing off. ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬

[Skarne]

I'm gonna read this whole thing tonight

It is pretty funny to have you complain about "unbiased and reliable" sources in the post where you show us a source, as asked, from a guy who is known as "The Gun Crowd's Guru". I smell a "arrive at a conclusion then go looking for sources to corroborate" scenario. Hope I'm wrong!

Anyways, that doesn't mean the data is wrong, so I'm not gonna throw it out based on your hypocrisy. But it's about five :)

Haha

[Mblake1981]

That is necessary and proper. I agree.

They come for your life, a gun is just a tool. Law abiding means you have done something so out-of-bounds that you are going to lose that right, because you are going six feet under.. that is usually how it works. We all make jokes, boast, have a good time, brag etc but the difference is when push comes to shove.

[Mblake1981]

I thought felons get it stripped too? And whackos.

Where does the 2nd say anything about a sound mind and sober countenance?

Don't forget to sanitize.

[Skarne]

Don't forget to sanitize.

Don’t forget to bring a towel

[Rethalis]

Also Matt Walsh is widely considered a white supremacist which doesn’t help anything in this country other than the small dick energy of the GOP.

Considered by whom? Who is this wide swath of people determining who is a white supremacist? Show me where he says white people are the superior race.

[unsunghero]

I’ve said before “mental health” is meant for people that are honest and voluntary to get help about their problems

Someone who intends to do a mass killing is not going to be honest about it with mental health professionals because they know we have a duty to warn and will try to prevent it. We don’t hook people up to polygraph machines, those machines aren’t even all that accurate to begin with. We don’t have human lie detector superpowers

The only shooters the mental health system can stop are people who are either too dumb (and you have to be REALLY dumb for this, because most mass shooters are already low IQ), or too psychotic to lie to a professional

So just like those proposing gun laws, what change to our mental health system could stop this shooter? Even if he was posting hateful and weird shit online, are we to lock him up in a facility that doesn’t exist anymore for the rest of his life? If we could do that for him, why don’t we do it for all the psychotic dangerous homeless people out there? The reason is because it’s. too. costly.

[Ooloo]

You yourself just cherry picked an article by a gun rights activist/economist and passed it off as unbiased.

I’m sure the organization I linked is biased. All media is biased to a degree it’s impossible not to be. That’s why we have the scientific method to create facts and findings. So your point is just another bad argument.

Also Matt Walsh is widely considered a white supremacist which doesn’t help anything in this country other than the small dick energy of the GOP.

Hahahaha how did I know!

I literally link a scientific paper and you guys go "pfff well thats a scientific paper by A BIASED scientist!! Let me tell you about the scientific method!". You didn't dispute a single thing the abstract said nor did you read any of the full 34 pages.

See? This is why I hate digging up god damn stats for you dishonest jerks. Stop asking for evidence that you clearly don't actually want.

[Skarne]

Considered by whom? Who is this wide swath of people determining who is a white supremacist? Show me where he says white people are the superior race.

You should just Google his name…

But if you’re a listener/follower of his that won’t matter to you anyway.

[unsunghero]

Last ditch effort possible change: prosecute the parents for being dead-beats

Obviously any parent who gifts their shitty maladjusted kid with a gun who then uses that gun to mass murder should go to prison for the rest of their life

How about parents like this most recent kid, who sent their kid to live with the grandmother, go to prison for being a shitty parent of a mass murderer? Any time someone mass murders, we have the FBI track down their absentee parent that abandoned or neglected them and throw them in prison for the rest of their life

Nothing like a lifetime of potential prison time to make a parent care about how they raise their kid

Jk, sort of

[Duik]

I repeatedly, repeatedly suggested having armed professional security at schools (NOT armed teachers). And no, the fact that "Hey one time there was a guard and they just ran away soooooo THAT'LL never work" isn't even a shred of an argument.

I also keep raising the same question over and over about the thousands and thousands of uses of firearms to save lives every year, and then Botten crapped something out about Ben shapiro, and something about like two accidents at gun shows over the course of like 30 years. If you take guns out of society, everyone who has ever defended themself (or someone else) from a stabbing, beating, mugging, or raping would probably be dead. You have to account for that reality, before you start suggesting anything even remotely like Australia.

No one (or me at least) is saying that guns dont get successfully used as protection/disincentive to other violent crime. But I do say such EASY ACCESS to firearms does facilitate some nutters ability to kill a fucktonne of weak/unarmed easy targets eg school, concerts or grocery shops.

Australia did it a way (and a dumb way, bit seemed to work after a fashion) that would NEVER work in the usa. Also we werent married to our guns. Sorta made it easier to accomplish. NEVER GONNA WORK FOR YOU.
You guys have convinced yaselves ya needem to protect from the gubament yadda yadda. That is you.

And hey sure raise minimum age to 21 if you want, not that I think it'll make much of a dent. The worst mass shooting in history was some 50 year old guy.

Obviously needed to get gud to win mass murder. Takes experience. Also maybe he had a gun since he was 18 and had YEARS for the rot to fester inside. 3 less years may have made a difference. Sorry a bit of sarcasm bit a lil serious as well....
Also you cite ONE incident out of history while admonishing others of cherry picking. Dumb.

Looking forward to the next one so we can protect our 2nd Amendment Rights. (That have been bastardized to mean what yas want) in new, even more creative ways.

[Ooloo]

You should just Google his name…

But if you’re a listener/follower of his that won’t matter to you anyway.

Yeah half the country considers modern democrats psychotic baby killers. I don't consider them all that, but hey just google it! Some people think that about them!

[Jibartik]

If a white supremist said to not jump off a cliff would you jump off a cliff?

[Horza]

Considered by whom? Who is this wide swath of people determining who is a white supremacist? Show me where he says white people are the superior race.

MATT WALSH: And this is what they're trying to hang around the neck of Tucker Carlson, Fox News, really any conservative, myself included. Because Tucker Carlson and other conservatives have in the past pointed out that the Democrats have been very open about the fact that, you know, they want to minimize what they call whiteness in America. And they want to bring in voters, you know, from other countries. They don't want voter ID laws, you know, they want to be able to bring in the voters and have them vote because they know they're going to be voting Democrat. So, they want to replace, especially white male voters, with voters who they think are going to be beholden to them. (https://www.mediamatters.org/daily-wire/daily-wire-host-says-white-supremacist-great-replacement-conspiracy-just-fact)

[robayon]

Hahahaha how did I know!

I literally link a scientific paper and you guys go "pfff well thats a scientific paper by A BIASED scientist!! Let me tell you about the scientific method!". You didn't dispute a single thing the abstract said nor did you read any of the full 34 pages.

See? This is why I hate digging up god damn stats for you dishonest jerks. Stop asking for evidence that you clearly don't actually want.Let the record show that sealioning Ooloo works just fine and he forces himself into a confirmation loop when he grows impatient. I know you were not responding to me, but I have not yet read the paper because I have to make dinner now that I am home.

This is at least more fun than pestering Elizondo, he just... falls apart and resorts to catchphrases like some kind of NPC

[unsunghero]

[QUOTE=Ooloo;3462802]I repeatedly, repeatedly suggested having armed professional security at schools (NOT armed teachers). And no, the fact that "Hey one time there was a guard and they just ran away soooooo THAT'LL never work" isn't even a shred of an argument.

I also keep raising the same question over and over about the thousands and thousands of uses of firearms to save lives every year, and then Botten crapped something out about Ben shapiro, and something about like two accidents at gun shows over the course of like 30 years. If you take guns out of society, everyone who has ever defended themself (or someone else) from a stabbing, beating, mugging, or raping would probably be dead. You have to account for that reality, before you start suggesting anything even remotely like Australia.
.

If I could make all guns in America suddenly vanish, I personally would be sitting pretty

I can outrun or overpower most armed individuals. They’d have to be one hell of a fast runner to be able to somehow stab me while I’m full sprinting away about as fast a black basketball player in the hood would be

So I’m all for the removal of all guns….for the next 10 or so years until I start to slow down. Then bring the guns back ;)

[oldschoolguy]

Your minimization of mass shootings is disgusting but it fits your username perfectly. Other countries don’t have this problem it’s an American problem.

Other countries have plenty of murder with and without guns, you just never been outside your village to know.

Black supremacists ramming white people in parades though is purely American thing. That I haven't seen anywhere else.

[Duik]

Well i suck at quoting...

[Jibartik]

MATT WALSH: And this is what they're trying to hang around the neck of Tucker Carlson, Fox News, really any conservative, myself included. Because Tucker Carlson and other conservatives have in the past pointed out that the Democrats have been very open about the fact that, you know, they want to minimize what they call whiteness in America. And they want to bring in voters, you know, from other countries. They don't want voter ID laws, you know, they want to be able to bring in the voters and have them vote because they know they're going to be voting Democrat. So, they want to replace, especially white male voters, with voters who they think are going to be beholden to them. (https://www.mediamatters.org/daily-wire/daily-wire-host-says-white-supremacist-great-replacement-conspiracy-just-fact)

how on earth do you have that quote at the ready.

how do you people even know these names what kind of weird situation is it you get yourself into where you accuse everyone of being these twisted individuals that they have never heard of?

[robayon]

MATT WALSH: And this is what they're trying to hang around the neck of Tucker Carlson, Fox News, really any conservative, myself included. Because Tucker Carlson and other conservatives have in the past pointed out that the Democrats have been very open about the fact that, you know, they want to minimize what they call whiteness in America. And they want to bring in voters, you know, from other countries. They don't want voter ID laws, you know, they want to be able to bring in the voters and have them vote because they know they're going to be voting Democrat. So, they want to replace, especially white male voters, with voters who they think are going to be beholden to them. (https://www.mediamatters.org/daily-wire/daily-wire-host-says-white-supremacist-great-replacement-conspiracy-just-fact)His boss, Beans Shapiro: If you wear your pants below your butt, don't bend the brim of your cap, and have an EBT card, 0% chance you will ever be a success in life.

[Skarne]

Yeah half the country considers modern democrats psychotic baby killers. I don't consider them all that, but hey just google it! Some people think that about them!

Haha it’s actually more like 30% or less but okay.

[Ooloo]

MATT WALSH: And this is what they're trying to hang around the neck of Tucker Carlson, Fox News, really any conservative, myself included. Because Tucker Carlson and other conservatives have in the past pointed out that the Democrats have been very open about the fact that, you know, they want to minimize what they call whiteness in America. And they want to bring in voters, you know, from other countries. They don't want voter ID laws, you know, they want to be able to bring in the voters and have them vote because they know they're going to be voting Democrat. So, they want to replace, especially white male voters, with voters who they think are going to be beholden to them. (https://www.mediamatters.org/daily-wire/daily-wire-host-says-white-supremacist-great-replacement-conspiracy-just-fact)

Lol prominent dems have literally been openly stating that this is happening and they think it's good. Stop conflating actual demographic realities with this horse shit psycho replacement theory as if they are remotely the same thing.

The critique is simply of obvious, cynical democrat political strategy, the only nutjobs who actually think white people are being "genocided" are obviously loons and nobody takes them seriously.

[Reiwa]

Well i suck at quoting...

GlHDabV1dlw

[Horza]

how on earth do you have that quote at the ready.

how do you people even know these names what kind of weird situation is it you get yourself into where you accuse everyone of being these twisted individuals that they have never heard of?

Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you (my aunt's Facebook posts).

[Jibartik]

your aunt sounds awesome

[Reiwa]

Lol prominent dems have literally been openly stating that this is happening and they think it's good. Stop conflating actual demographic realities with this horse shit psycho replacement theory as if they are remotely the same thing.

The critique is simply of obvious, cynical democrat political strategy, the only nutjobs who actually think white people are being "genocided" are obviously loons and nobody takes them seriously.

Biden job disapproval among Hispanics hits 60%, just 26% approve (https://nypost.com/2022/05/19/biden-job-disapproval-among-hispanics-hits-60-percent-poll/)

What's the phrase? Never interrupt your opponent while he's making a mistake?

[Skarne]

Be careful guys dark maga is coming

[robayon]

how on earth do you have that quote at the ready.

how do you people even know these names what kind of weird situation is it you get yourself into where you accuse everyone of being these twisted individuals that they have never heard of?We all have hobbies. I read and ingest things I hate and can regurgitate all kinds of awful dogshit if I need to. I can't remember what I ate for dinner last night or most of 2013 but I can remember a quote I read in a book in 1998.

You seem to know a lot of weird esoteric religion stuff, there's plenty of people who find all of that odd.

[Skarne]

Haha tru. jib you got some real strange ideas

[Reiwa]

We all have hobbies. I read and ingest things I hate and can regurgitate all kinds of awful dogshit if I need to. I can't remember what I ate for dinner last night or most of 2013 but I can remember a quote I read in a book in 1998.

You seem to know a lot of weird esoteric religion stuff, there's plenty of people who find all of that odd.

Do you have a ranking of the bad twitter men?

Walsh seems more like tasty brain poison than like Stephen Miller or the baseball face avatar man.

[robayon]

Haha tru. jib you got some real strange ideasI mean this in the most loving possible way and I definitely love Jibartik, but this meme makes me think of him every time I scroll past it in my directory. He's a poster's poster. We may squabble but it's all in good fun.

https://i.imgur.com/GzbKhHu.jpeg

[Ooloo]

Walsh is literally funnier than like anyone here. I think you guys just fall for 20 seconds of his grumpy guy schtick and miss out on so much good content. Just give it a whirl, if for no other reason than to tell me how totally megawrong he is. At least do the research firsthand ya know?

[Skarne]

I mean this in the most loving possible way and I definitely love Jibartik, but this meme makes me think of him every time I scroll past it in my directory. He's a poster's poster. We may squabble but it's all in good fun.

https://i.imgur.com/GzbKhHu.jpeg

Haha yeah that’s about right

[Jibartik]

I mean this in the most loving possible way and I definitely love Jibartik, but this meme makes me think of him every time I scroll past it in my directory. He's a poster's poster. We may squabble but it's all in good fun.

https://i.imgur.com/GzbKhHu.jpeg

this is the funniest shit I have ever seen and I am so ryker in this. say no to terrorist!

edit (he is right tho if you are addicted to dog and cat videos that might be a symptom of some disease to make us like docile by putting floride in the internet you never know)

https://i.imgur.com/REJONrc.png

[Reiwa]

Walsh is literally funnier than like anyone here. I think you guys just fall for 20 seconds of his grumpy guy schtick and miss out on so much good content. Just give it a whirl, if for no other reason than to tell me how totally megawrong he is. At least do the research firsthand ya know?

That's what I mean, he's more clown than thinker or teacher.

[Jibartik]

Haha tru. jib you got some real strange ideas

thanks man

We all have hobbies. I read and ingest things I hate and can regurgitate all kinds of awful dogshit if I need to. I can't remember what I ate for dinner last night or most of 2013 but I can remember a quote I read in a book in 1998.

You seem to know a lot of weird esoteric religion stuff, there's plenty of people who find all of that odd.

lol true that is it 100 I get it.

I love cults that doesn't mean I ant to be in one (i desperately want to join one)

for now dog and cat is nano computer on internet

Y6FdgBv1R8c

[robayon]

Do you have a ranking of the bad twitter men?

Walsh seems more like tasty brain poison than like Stephen Miller or the baseball face avatar man.Not ranking, just smiles and frowns

So unless Kissinger joins twitter, or I missed his acct this whole time

[Rethalis]

MATT WALSH: And this is what they're trying to hang around the neck of Tucker Carlson, Fox News, really any conservative, myself included. Because Tucker Carlson and other conservatives have in the past pointed out that the Democrats have been very open about the fact that, you know, they want to minimize what they call whiteness in America. And they want to bring in voters, you know, from other countries. They don't want voter ID laws, you know, they want to be able to bring in the voters and have them vote because they know they're going to be voting Democrat. So, they want to replace, especially white male voters, with voters who they think are going to be beholden to them. (https://www.mediamatters.org/daily-wire/daily-wire-host-says-white-supremacist-great-replacement-conspiracy-just-fact)

What does this even have to do with white supremacy?

[Rethalis]

You should just Google his name…

But if you’re a listener/follower of his that won’t matter to you anyway.

I do watch, for one he is hilarious. Have not heard him talk about how whites are superior.

[Skarne]

I do watch, for one he is hilarious. Have not heard him talk about how whites are superior.

I think he’s mostly a mouth breather who preys upon people’s prejudices as a platform as well as to argue with straw men. He seems obsessed with race/LGBTQ and uses identity politics as a means to fuel hatred and bigotry across the country.

[Ooloo]

I think he’s mostly a mouth breather who preys upon people’s prejudices as a platform as well as to argue with straw men. He seems obsessed with race/LGBTQ and uses identity politics as a means to fuel hatred and bigotry across the country.

"Matt walsh just attacks strawmen! Also he is a white supremacist!!"

The rich, frothy irony.

[Skarne]

"Matt walsh just attacks strawmen! Also he is a white supremacist!!"

The rich, frothy irony.

Haha how about using your noggin and presenting an original thought instead of just parroting your individual propaganda machine and linking other peoples videos and articles?

[Elizondo]

Groomers shooting blanks in this thread

[Skarne]

Lol riveting!

[Ooloo]

Haha how about using your noggin and presenting an original thought instead of just parroting your individual propaganda machine and linking other peoples videos and articles?

Here's an original thought: You don't know what the term straw man means.

[Skarne]

Google it yourself and find out you’re wrong. I don’t think you’d ever admit that though nobody is ever wrong on the internet.

*edited* For your health

straw man
in American English
1. scarecrow
2. a person of little importance; nonentity
3. a weak argument or opposing view set up by a politician, debater, etc. so as to be able to attack it and gain an easy, showy victory
4. a person used to disguise another's intentions, activities, etc.; blind

[robayon]

I'm gonna read this whole thing tonightOkay, Ooloo, I read your paper. I'm gonna be honest. I'm not a math expert but it seemed legit to me. Basic stats, right? But we should always be skeptical, it's generally a good idea, so I sought reactions to Lott's paper here. This is all just overlooking the possible bias and stuff, because whatever, this isn't debate club. I sling shit around too.

Now please read this one and let me know if you feel like taking the time to dig into the numbers to corroborate their claims that Lott's massaging the numbers for single-shooter incidents down a good bit domestically. Maybe that's accounted for in the international amounts, which Lott smartly admitted they don't have a complete set for, or didn't back when they compiled the data.

Or don't, your choice. Or find bias in this person, I don't have enough information either way for Lankford.

https://econjwatch.org/authors/adam-lankford
https://cj.ua.edu/people/adam-lankford/

Reaction paper to Lott's paper: https://econjwatch.org/File+download/1105/LankfordMar2019.pdf?mimetype=pdf

[unsunghero]

It is a bit odd that the left is big on globalism but doesn’t call white people minorities despite us being a clear global minority

[unsunghero]

Also, as a white person with blue eyes I think only 7% of the world’s population has what I have. As a recessive trait it will also eventually be gone from this planet

But I think red hair will be gone first. Or so I’ve heard

[unsunghero]

The Daily Wire refused to name the shooter saying media coverage of these adds to the contagion of mass shootings, so props to them

Fox News on the other hand is one of the worst offenders. Not only did they name the shooter and plaster his picture all over their site, every single one of their stories is about the shooting and/or shooter, resulting in the legacy he so obviously craved

Dance, puppets, dance for the mass murderers

[loramin]

Also, as a white person with blue eyes I think only 7% of the world’s population has what I have. As a recessive trait it will also eventually be gone from this planet

But I think red hair will be gone first. Or so I’ve heard

You must not understand how evolution works: it takes thousands of years.

We will either have the technology to change your ethnicity biologically, with a pill ... or we will have ended the human species in a nuclear holocaust ... centuries before either of those things could even happen.

[Jibartik]

I think he’s mostly a mouth breather who preys upon people’s prejudices as a platform as well as to argue with straw men. He seems obsessed with race/LGBTQ and uses identity politics as a means to fuel hatred and bigotry across the country.

who is: anyone with a blue checkmark on twitter.

https://i.imgur.com/G3rVaur.png

[Skarne]

who is: anyone with a blue checkmark on twitter.

https://i.imgur.com/G3rVaur.png

I don’t use social media so idk

[Reiwa]

who is: anyone with a blue checkmark on twitter.

https://i.imgur.com/G3rVaur.png

Imgur won't let me open the 'kill the masters' meme I wanted to post.

So I have that going for me, which is nice.

[Botten]

Groomers shooting blanks in this thread

While alt right be shooting children. No political gains about it, sadly just the sick facts.

[unsunghero]

You must not understand how evolution works: it takes thousands of years.

We will either have the technology to change your ethnicity biologically, with a pill ... or we will have ended the human species in a nuclear holocaust ... centuries before either of those things could even happen.

You’re right, I’m not too versed on evolution, hasn’t really been an interest of mine tbh

That’s why I said or so I heard. May have heard wrong

[Elizondo]

While alt right be shooting children. No political gains about it, sadly just the sick facts.

You groomers are happy whenever there is a mass shooting so you can dance on the bodies and grandstand politically

and lol at grasping at straws tryin to claim this dude was 'alt right'

[unsunghero]

I think I read somewhere that red hair could be extinct by 2060 or something, but it turns out that’s most likely wrong based on their reproductive rate (would have to almost stop)

Either way I didn’t realize how rare blue eyes were until people kept commenting on dates “oh you have blue eyes!” when I was thinking…so? Then I found out how low the % was, I thought it was like 40%

It’s cool to be rare. That’s why I personally wouldn’t mind at all being a minority. I like the attention, I think it would be awesome to be the only white person around somewhere

[Reiwa]

You’re right, I’m not too versed on evolution, hasn’t really been an interest of mine tbh

That’s why I said or so I heard. May have heard wrong

He's not wrong but he's also not right. The evolution would occur immediately if successful breeding occurred.

We are all transitional


https://i.imgur.com/emDv0b0.jpg

[Botten]

You groomers are happy whenever there is a mass shooting so you can dance on the bodies and grandstand politically

and lol at grasping at straws tryin to claim this dude was 'alt right'

What the one from Buffalo recently wasn’t good enough for you?

Maybe you were just waiting to discuss the one with the 21 year old in 2015 (Dylann Roof).

What … could the straws be too hard to drink up your far right ‘sad-a-rade.’

[loramin]

It’s cool to be rare. That’s why I personally wouldn’t mind at all being a minority. I like the attention, I think it would be awesome to be the only white person around somewhere

... until the police start beating you up, simply because you have a different ethnicity.

[unsunghero]

... until the police start beating you up, simply because you have a different ethnicity.

Or mugged and killed in an all-black ghetto huh

[Jibartik]

remember when ukraine stopped a world power from taking it over because they had guns and the democrats were like super stoked on them stopping them with their guns and nobody noticed that everything the republicans say about guns that democrats said was total fantasy just happened.

[Horza]

remember when ukraine stopped a world power from taking it over because they had guns and the democrats were like super stoked on them stopping them with their guns and nobody noticed that everything the republicans say about guns that democrats said was total fantasy just happened.

Republicans all seem think they're fighting a war against some kind of invasion by another ethnic group, that's one thing you got right.

[Mblake1981]

We are all transitional

https://i.imgur.com/ktDiVgp.gif

[unsunghero]

..

[unsunghero]

…

[Horza]

Your society only discriminates against white men shirt isn't helping with the denials of being a racial supremacist.

[unsunghero]

Your society only discriminates against white men shirt isn't helping with the denials of being a racial supremacist.

Oh no we all get discriminated against all the time by people’s biases, put that on my shirt

[Jibartik]

ill bet a million dollars horza doesnt like mayonnaise.

[unsunghero]

Or if I could pick what I would wear on my shirt, if I was the only white dude living in a low income all black neighborhood, I would have a shirt that says BLM

But irregardless, I look like a cop. So I don’t think that shirt would keep me alive on its own. But maybe

Anyway, speaking of biases

[Jibartik]

CHARLESTON, W.Va. (AP) — A woman in West Virginia fatally shot a man who began firing an AR-15-style rifle into a crowd of people that had gathered for a party, authorities said. (https://apnews.com/article/politics-police-shootings-west-virginia-1c089b5ba0ca83f05603cf0cce184c8d)

[unsunghero]

CHARLESTON, W.Va. (AP) — A woman in West Virginia fatally shot a man who began firing an AR-15-style rifle into a crowd of people that had gathered for a party, authorities said. (https://apnews.com/article/politics-police-shootings-west-virginia-1c089b5ba0ca83f05603cf0cce184c8d)

There’s a vid floating around the internet of a guy grabbing a little girl and dragging her towards his car. He gets shot in the chest by some bystander lady with a gun. Apparently he had a criminal history and was attempting to abduct her, and she wouldn’t have survived it

It’s still something I regretted seeing years ago, because I believe the dude did die and I don’t like seeing that kinda shit the older I get

[Mblake1981]

Imagine if the internet, message boards and social media existed in 1980s America like it does today, with people freaking out about events happening around the vast country. You once had to turn on the news, with them doing some end-of-quarter special series detailing this. This place is too large for a single person to get bombarded like that, and you guys talk about mental health.

-imagine 1980s aussies, red labor chinese and young Beto O'Rourke would all be brow-beating mullet dudes online, who laugh while popping ice cold genuine draft..

d3i7ndJL9YQ

[Skarne]

Haha irregardless

[MrSparkle001]

I'm thinking now that these mass shootings by young people have only been an issue since the birth of the internet. Before Columbine we really didn't hear about them. It was never even a concern. Schools would be open and unlocked and anyone could just walk right in and nobody cared.

Because nobody had a reason to care.

Then the internet gets going in the 90's and takes off in the 2000's and now these kids are growing up with it and it's warping their minds. The mentally ill kids are being further harmed by it and they lash out and shit like this happens. No "history" of mental illness doesn't mean there is no mental illness. The kid was a fucked up high school drop-out and I can bet there were warning signs everywhere and as usual nobody cared and let the kid slip through the cracks. Then the internet grabs hold of his malfunctioning mind and suddenly he wants to shoot up an elementary school.

And yes an 18 year old these days is still very much a kid. This isn't the 1940's.

[Reiwa]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17813&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1653632169

I always assume these are just faked by rascals. The internet is still pretty wild.

[robayon]

I'm thinking now that these mass shootings by young people have only been an issue since the birth of the internet. Before Columbine we really didn't hear about them. It was never even a concern. Schools would be open and unlocked and anyone could just walk right in and nobody cared.

Because nobody had a reason to care.

Then the internet gets going in the 90's and takes off in the 2000's and now these kids are growing up with it and it's warping their minds. The mentally ill kids are being further harmed by it and they lash out and shit like this happens. No "history" of mental illness doesn't mean there is no mental illness. The kid was a fucked up high school drop-out and I can bet there were warning signs everywhere and as usual nobody cared and let the kid slip through the cracks. Then the internet grabs hold of his malfunctioning mind and suddenly he wants to shoot up an elementary school.

And yes an 18 year old these days is still very much a kid. This isn't the 1940's.I agree with your larger point. I think the general effects of the information age have really just exaggerated and amplified the capacity for insane violence. Any of us can pick a completely insane idea and find a group of like minded invidiuals online if we know how to search. I can't even remember how young I was when I first saw people dying on rotten.com or something linked through SA.

But I also believe American culture is extremely violent in a lot of ways, and we normalize violence in ways most cultures don't have to because we have to keep our population complacent and consuming. Panem et circenses. I think if most people saw first hand the violence it takes to give us, say, $4 tshirts at Old Navy, or $3 jars of condiments made with palm oil, they'd start to ask questions about the ethics of all of this consumer culture we have built. And the powers that be can't have that, so some of the most brutal forms of labor get outsourced so that it's out of sight and out of mind.

However, school shootings absolutely happened before Columbine. Not that you were saying they didn't, it was just more localized and information wasn't as easy to access as it is now.

https://www.ranker.com/list/scary-school-shootings/natalie-hazen

I don't think we have yet realized the full scope of the door we opened when we allowed the public access to the internet. Not that there's any going back, really. I feel like humanity getting the internet might have been some aliens violating a prime directive. Ugh

[Reiwa]

ill bet a million dollars horza doesnt like mayonnaise.

Excuse me, did you forget the White People Council voted unanimously to call it aioli?

[Jibartik]

I'm thinking now that these mass shootings by young people have only been an issue since the birth of the internet. Before Columbine we really didn't hear about them. It was never even a concern. Schools would be open and unlocked and anyone could just walk right in and nobody cared.

Because nobody had a reason to care.

Then the internet gets going in the 90's and takes off in the 2000's and now these kids are growing up with it and it's warping their minds. The mentally ill kids are being further harmed by it and they lash out and shit like this happens. No "history" of mental illness doesn't mean there is no mental illness. The kid was a fucked up high school drop-out and I can bet there were warning signs everywhere and as usual nobody cared and let the kid slip through the cracks. Then the internet grabs hold of his malfunctioning mind and suddenly he wants to shoot up an elementary school.

And yes an 18 year old these days is still very much a kid. This isn't the 1940's.

All diseases come from computer dog and cat addicted is symptoms of disease

[robayon]

Excuse me, did you forget the White People Council voted unanimously to call it aioli?I am white and I like mayo. My wife is not and thinks it is repulsive white people garbage.

I fed her aioli a few times and she said she liked it. This is how I got her on board with cheese. Love is a battlefield

[Elizondo]

What the one from Buffalo recently wasn’t good enough for you?’

He was a self described left wing authoritarian eco warrior that hated Fox News and Conservatism you dumb kraut

[Jibartik]

people that dont like mayo generally love social justice it's a funny racist thing they do.

Like saying "I like watermellon see im one of you!"

its basically racial dolizol behavior.

[Gustoo]

I feel like humanity getting the internet might have been some aliens violating a prime directive. Ugh

Haha probably.

So was anakin skywalker the first school shooter?

[Jibartik]

before the internet the cops would work with the teachers and the mayor to hang all the minorities from tree's while they burnt crosses

I’d love to be for this to be some end times epidemic but this is just the way we are.

[Gustoo]

before the internet the cops would work with the teachers and the mayor to hang all the minorities from tree's while they burnt crosses

I’d love to be for this to be some end times epidemic but this is just the way we are.

Honoring your edit here.

I think it is an end times epidemic, it is reversible by actually dealing with mental health but we don't actually want to help eachother so probably won't get better. End times meaning end of American times, more likely than end of the world times.

[robayon]

Haha probably.

So was anakin skywalker the first school shooter?I suddenly feel like this is like those awful libs saying things like "wow, ted cruz really is a slytherin" and now I would like to punch myself in the dick for using a pop culture reference

[Jibartik]

Honoring your edit here.

I think it is an end times epidemic, it is reversible by actually dealing with mental health but we don't actually want to help eachother so probably won't get better. End times meaning end of American times, more likely than end of the world times.

Hey Ill take what I can get.

[loramin]

I agree with your larger point. I think the general effects of the information age have really just exaggerated and amplified the capacity for insane violence. Any of us can pick a completely insane idea and find a group of like minded invidiuals online if we know how to search. I can't even remember how young I was when I first saw people dying on rotten.com or something linked through SA.

But I also believe American culture is extremely violent in a lot of ways, and we normalize violence in ways most cultures don't have to because we have to keep our population complacent and consuming. Panem et circenses. I think if most people saw first hand the violence it takes to give us, say, $4 tshirts at Old Navy, or $3 jars of condiments made with palm oil, they'd start to ask questions about the ethics of all of this consumer culture we have built. And the powers that be can't have that, so some of the most brutal forms of labor get outsourced so that it's out of sight and out of mind.

However, school shootings absolutely happened before Columbine. Not that you were saying they didn't, it was just more localized and information wasn't as easy to access as it is now.

https://www.ranker.com/list/scary-school-shootings/natalie-hazen

I don't think we have yet realized the full scope of the door we opened when we allowed the public access to the internet. Not that there's any going back, really. I feel like humanity getting the internet might have been some aliens violating a prime directive. Ugh

I think you guys are overthinking things. This isn't some cultural cliff that we've fallen off (because of Columbine or the Internet or whatever), and now it's a hopelessly complex problem; it's far more basic.

We voted in a bunch of politician who removed gun control laws. Science has shown gun control laws save lives (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-science-is-clear-gun-control-saves-lives). If we want to fix things, we need to elect politicians who pass gun control laws.

It's that simple.

[Jibartik]

There were never once any of those gun control laws in texas why did it suddenly happen now?

[starkind]

Yes he went full Anakin.

As a person who has struggled with mental illness most of my life (and many of the very dark impulses and desires that entails). It's not just the weebs who shoot schools that is the problem. And Mental Illness isn't an excuse for shooting schools. It is a real problem tho and America needs to get over holding ppl and taking away freedoms of ppl who should not be free. Because they are mentally ill. If we are going to bust up ppl for smokin weed we can bust em up for being mentally ill assholes. And we can also treet the vast majority of mentally ill ppl who are good and man enough not to go shooting up schools better.

The male hate is bullshit too. I don't care what side of the spectrum u are if u hate gays or trans ppl or straight ppl or hetro christian ppl if you hate fucking males because they are male and they don't conform to your world view whether that is queer or not and you don't enable them to go do squats and get their 2 years civil service in and go on their mission. If you are making fun of ppl or blaming them for your problems or the downfal of the country you are a fucking part of the problem for being a mouthy lil shit. Even if you are 70 or 80 or 40 yrs old. No matter ur socioeconomic bracket or how many ppl u grabbed by the pussy. Or how many icecream cones u licked.

Get fucking wrekt.

And thank G-d there are ppl like me in this world and that we want to contribute instead of shooting up schools of innocent fucking children.

YOu should grow some balls or boobs and listen up. And grow the fuck up. Listen to the ppl who wanted to shoot schools as kids and young adults and who wanted to kill every single one of you motherfuckers and grew the fuck up and did the right thing with that hatred and anger and turned it inward instead. They know what the fuck is up.

Crazy ppl and idiots and greedy lazy assholes shouldn't be free. Even the nice ones. Especially the rich ones. And anyone who wants to grab more power for themselves.

[Jibartik]

"its so simple all you have to do is have gun control"

"its so simple all you have to do is have security in every hallway"

"No taking guns is fascist"

"No having security is fascist"

https://i.imgur.com/qY0phbq.gif

[Jibartik]

for the reccord I think a little of both is all we need.

but the problem we actually face is american exceptionalism, which causes the nicest person to think that they are donald trump and own everyone, and that everyone is a scum scuker trying to leach off of them.

it also prevents people from even budging an inch because they are the boss and because they are the boss they will NOT be doing what the other guy says, and they WILL be doing what the boss says!

Then all the bosses complain after every shooting like, "WHY ARE MY WORKERS NOT WORKNG THEY SHOULD BE FXNG THIS PROBLEM FIX IT LIKE THIS: gives stupid clueless boss idea"

everyone sucks and we all deserve what we get.

[Gustoo]

. Science has shown gun control laws save lives (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-science-is-clear-gun-control-saves-lives)

The only lives that gun control has demonstrated can be saved, are lives that are ended by guns. Most especially, handgun suicides because people suicide via epiphany and having a gun at hand makes it most convenient to act on that before something comes along and changes your mind. Other ways of killing people and killing self can be employed. In the case of killing others all the other alternatives are just as good for completing the task except if the task includes furthering a gun control anti second amendment pro big government pro authoritarian agenda. For suicides nothing beats a gun in the home though, that is your strongest and almost exclusively valuable anti-gun point, I would lean into that one. For killing children there are so many opportunities for someone with severe mental illness and literally no help whatsoever in the USA to enact their horrible acts. I don't even want to list examples on the internet, but the fact is that one can easily destroy the lives of more than 14 children and more than 1 teacher much easier than by using a gun, employing things that have zero chance of anyone trying to ban.

The most important point is that the second amendment is an anti authoritarian / tyranny provision in the constitution and for its proponents literally ANY other solution than to remove this right from US citizens is better than weakening this right. Yes, even investing in mental health care is a better solution, even to a far right leave them to rot in the street gutter curb stomping throw em in prison evil bastard. If he believes in the second amendment he would be happy to support mental health care spending rather than discuss how to cuck out to bolstering authoritarian strength.So if the left actually cared about solving this problem, they would focus on things that are actual options for more than half of the country rather than try to wedge in any further incremental degradation of this highly important bill of rights amendment

Mental health in the united states (and the world) is absolutely plummeting. This is a desirable situation for the powers that be, meaning all rich assholes because their stocks are flying high, and when we hate eachother and crawl into our corners we spend more time on "social media" becoming more insane. This progressive insanity is usually used to help sell products and for the most part it works. But for people with certain underlying issues it is too much to handle and they snap, and do things like this. But keeping people absolutely as close to suicidal levels of misery is high priority for profits so I think it is likely to continue.

Fact is that there are no facts about "gun control" increasing public safety. It goes without saying that when there are less guns that exist, less people will get killed by guns. That is 1st grade no brainer science. Just because bullets kill us less does not make us more safe.

[robayon]

If we want to fix things, we need to elect politicians who pass gun control laws.

It's that simple.https://i.imgur.com/c4NugBu.jpeg

[Elizondo]

I think you guys are overthinking things. This isn't some cultural cliff that we've fallen off (because of Columbine or the Internet or whatever), and now it's a hopelessly complex problem; it's far more basic.

We voted in a bunch of politician who removed gun control laws. Science has shown gun control laws save lives (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-science-is-clear-gun-control-saves-lives). If we want to fix things, we need to elect politicians who pass gun control laws.

It's that simple.

MUH SCIENCE!

https://news.yahoo.com/maine-allows-gun-owners-carry-concealed-weapons-without-223008030.html

Maine allows gun owners to carry concealed weapons without permit

AUGUSTA, Maine (Reuters) - Maine will allow gun owners to carry concealed weapons without a permit, a practice called "constitutional carry" by Second Amendment advocates, under a bill signed into law on Wednesday by Republican Governor Paul LePage.

[loramin]

The only lives that gun control has demonstrated can be saved, are lives that are ended by guns.

You say that like it's a bad thing to care about victims of gun violence.

[Gustoo]

No, Elizondo that is impossible. If that law really happened in 2015 than the numbers of gun murders in Maine would SKYROCKET!!!!! Science as linked by Loramin makes it a guaranteed fact!!!!

Or wait, did people who murder people with guns ALWAYS stick them in their pockets WHENEVER THEY WANTED?! but if they did that they would be BREAKING A LAW?!?!!

I don't get it. I opt out. Guns are bad. Bads are bad. bad bad.

[Jibartik]

Fact is that there are no facts about "gun control" increasing public safety. It goes without saying that when there are less guns that exist, less people will get killed by guns. That is 1st grade no brainer science. Just because bullets kill us less does not make us more safe.

I am so glad you said that, I was so disappointed that link was "scientific" American, I was reading it thinking, all of this is specious reasoning, none of this is evidence based.

and then I was like, god damn this is "Scientific" American?? god we are so screwed.

Its shocking how much gun control lowers suicides: makes me think the evidence might show it really does take the guns from the people who have them for defense.

[Gustoo]

You say that like it's a bad thing to care about victims of gun violence.

You misunderstand me like its a good thing to demonstrate basic misunderstanding.

[robayon]

You say that like it's a bad thing to care about victims of gun violence.It's a bad thing to only care about victims of gun violence while looking the other way on all of the other forms of violence caused by the politicians you'd hypothetically elect to enact gun control laws to control the gun violence

[Mblake1981]

https://i.imgur.com/sL96FRW.jpg

[Jibartik]

Saying someone who wants gun control cares about gun victims, while someone who is willing to try something else in the interest of trying something is a pretty petty thing to do and really only re-enforces my american exceptionalism is the problem theory.

[Gustoo]

Loramin I actually don't want to be an asshole towards you and kinda bully you in this way. I do get passionate about 2nd amendment stuff, because when it is approached rationally, the answer is incredibly clear.

It is difficult to find honest studies available anywhere about real world situations like the law passed in Maine despite that situation being a very very easy one to draw data from. When you do dig into statistics (look at Maine gun crime rates since 2015) the data virtually invariably shows no statistically significant increase in gun violence.

The only rare exceptions are when there is a corresponding increase in police lead anti gang violence or other unrelated death increasing policies.

There are many examples where "permissive" gun laws are passed, and no data is drawn or discussed. In all cases it is because the data goes against "studies" like the one you linked, that are nonsense.

The federal "assault weapons ban" expired in 2004. It was the most restrictive gun prohibition in the united states ever, and never made anyone more safe. Passing such a law again would be a best case scenario for anti-gun people, but there is no data to say that 1994-2004 was a period of unprecedented public safety, because it wasn't.

Just so you know, you can still identify as a die hard liberal and disavow a nonsense anti second ammendment viewpoint. Just like people can be conservatives and disavow the orange man (who is not a conservative)

[Elizondo]

It is difficult to find honest studies available anywhere about real world situations like the law passed in Maine despite that situation being a very very easy one to draw data from. When you do dig into statistics (look at Maine gun crime rates since 2015) the data virtually invariably shows no statistically significant increase in gun violence.


Remember when the people who claim to represent 'SCIENCE!' told you that a shitty mask bought at 7/11 could stop Covid?

[Jibartik]

Lets all just take a moment to bow our heads and thank the forefathers that he didnt use a bumpstock.

[Reiwa]

He was a self described left wing authoritarian eco warrior that hated Fox News and Conservatism you dumb kraut

A Thanos guy again?

Guillotine...Stan Lee? I don't know, but someone there needs to be guillotined.

[robayon]

Remember when the people who claim to represent 'SCIENCE!' told you that a shitty mask bought at 7/11 could stop Covid?Remember when you were waiting for animals to come speak to you and tell you that they were heterosexual only?

Lol go back to the kid's table and color, do your best to stay inside the lines

[robayon]

A Thanos guy again?

Guillotine...Stan Lee? I don't know, but someone there needs to be guillotined.Have you read the Buffalo guy's manifesto? I haven't, and I certainly don't believe Elizondo has, and even if he has his interpretation of whatever he saw is catastrophically wrong because he's Elizondo and his skull is full of water

[Mblake1981]

A Thanos guy again?

Guillotine...Stan Lee? I don't know, but someone there needs to be guillotined.

The only good Marvel film as Blade 1.

GE29aq6fmgU

[robayon]

The only good Marvel film as Blade 1.You must not have seen Howard the Duck

[unsunghero]

Cops wait for a full hour outside for SWAT rather than to engage the gunman, going against police protocols for an active shooting

Police chief/captain/whoever mentioned his officers “took fire” but never once mentioned injuries, and almost always if there were any serious injuries they would be mentioned. So his lack of mentioning any probably means there weren’t any

I can picture one of the coward cops on his radio “he’s shooting at us, sir, what do you want us to do?” Oh I dunno….how about SHOOT BACK

If I was one of the parents outside having to listen to that carnage, that police barrier would not have stopped me from charging in unarmed to try to save my kid :(

Sounds like some coward cops might go down hard in this one. Also, we don’t need laws to arm ourselves because we can trust police will come save us right

[Elizondo]

Remember when you were waiting for animals to come speak to you and tell you that they were heterosexual only?

Lol go back to the kid's table and color, do your best to stay inside the lines

Rob just flingin poo post noted

[Gustoo]

Cops wait for a full hour outside for SWAT rather than to engage the gunman, going against police protocols for an active shooting

Police chief/captain/whoever mentioned his officers “took fire” but never once mentioned injuries, and almost always if there were any serious injuries they would be mentioned. So his lack of mentioning any probably means there weren’t any

I can picture one of the coward cops on his radio “he’s shooting at us, sir, what do you want us to do?” Oh I dunno….how about SHOOT BACK

If I was one of the parents outside having to listen to that carnage, that police barrier would not have stopped me from charging in unarmed to try to save my kid :(

Sounds like some coward cops might go down hard in this one. Also, we don’t need laws to arm ourselves because we can trust police will come save us right

Yikes I want to believe that none of this is true.

[unsunghero]

Yikes I want to believe that none of this is true.

It’s all over the news. Police are in heavy backtrack mode trying to cover their asses

I generally support the blue, but I’d be very curious to see the body cam footage of those cops that supposedly “took fire”, what that looked like, and their response

Apparently after “taking fire” the cops stopped trying to engage the shooter and for a full hour let him massacre a classroom while they evacuated other children like they were movie theater ushers and not cops

[Reiwa]

Saying someone who wants gun control cares about gun victims, while someone who is willing to try something else in the interest of trying something is a pretty petty thing to do and really only re-enforces my american exceptionalism is the problem theory.

How about ban automatic loading weapons? I think that kills *2 birds.

You get revolvers, shotguns, and some rifles. But not repeater crossbows

(*good to eat)

[Jibartik]

Cops wait for a full hour outside for SWAT rather than to engage the gunman, going against police protocols for an active shooting

Police chief/captain/whoever mentioned his officers “took fire” but never once mentioned injuries, and almost always if there were any serious injuries they would be mentioned. So his lack of mentioning any probably means there weren’t any

I can picture one of the coward cops on his radio “he’s shooting at us, sir, what do you want us to do?” Oh I dunno….how about SHOOT BACK

If I was one of the parents outside having to listen to that carnage, that police barrier would not have stopped me from charging in unarmed to try to save my kid :(

Sounds like some coward cops might go down hard in this one. Also, we don’t need laws to arm ourselves because we can trust police will come save us right

I heard border patrol went in without the police's concent and they are the ones that shot him idk if thats true but they ride horses and dive into rivers so seems to check out.

[Skarne]

It’s all over the news. Police are in heavy backtrack mode trying to cover their asses

I generally support the blue, but I’d be very curious to see the body cam footage of those cops that supposedly “took fire”, what that looked like, and their response

Apparently after “taking fire” the cops stopped trying to engage the shooter and for a full hour let him massacre a classroom while they evacuated other children like they were movie theater ushers and not cops

Yeah man I’m super disappointed with the cop’s reaction to the shooting. Absolute cowards. An hour holding back parents and even subduing a few of them trying to get inside to pick up their kids. Then they act like they’re the heroes.

“My cousin’s out fighting dragons, and what do I get? Guard duty.”

[Gustoo]

How about ban automatic loading weapons? I think that kills *2 birds.

You get revolvers, shotguns, and some rifles. But not repeater crossbows

(*good to eat)


I'm completely against anything like that because it is not evidence based (no documentation that it makes people safer) however, one thing for certain is that all weapons restrictions should apply to police and army personnel acting within the united states to have even a semblance of reasonableness. Anything else may as well state openly that it is an overtly pro authoritarian policy.

[Jibartik]

Yeah man I’m super disappointed with the cop’s reaction to the shooting. Absolute cowards. An hour holding back parents and even subduing a few of them trying to get inside to pick up their kids. Then they act like they’re the heroes.

“My cousin’s out fighting dragons, and what do I get? Guard duty.”

Im disappointed Toy Soldiers turned out to be a complete lie.

nqMUW4riYVU

[Reiwa]

I'm completely against anything like that because it is not evidence based (no documentation that it makes people safer)

That must be why the US army exclusively uses bolt-action rifles.

Thanks for teaching me that.

[loramin]

Loramin I actually don't want to be an asshole towards you and kinda bully you in this way. I do get passionate about 2nd amendment stuff, because when it is approached rationally, the answer is incredibly clear.

It is difficult to find honest studies available anywhere about real world situations like the law passed in Maine despite that situation being a very very easy one to draw data from. When you do dig into statistics (look at Maine gun crime rates since 2015) the data virtually invariably shows no statistically significant increase in gun violence.

The only rare exceptions are when there is a corresponding increase in police lead anti gang violence or other unrelated death increasing policies.

There are many examples where "permissive" gun laws are passed, and no data is drawn or discussed. In all cases it is because the data goes against "studies" like the one you linked, that are nonsense.

The federal "assault weapons ban" expired in 2004. It was the most restrictive gun prohibition in the united states ever, and never made anyone more safe. Passing such a law again would be a best case scenario for anti-gun people, but there is no data to say that 1994-2004 was a period of unprecedented public safety, because it wasn't.

Just so you know, you can still identify as a die hard liberal and disavow a nonsense anti second ammendment viewpoint. Just like people can be conservatives and disavow the orange man (who is not a conservative)

I really don't think it's very complicated: when there are laws restricting how many and where guns can be, by definition there will be be less guns available in those places for people to use to commit gun violence ... so less gun violence occurs.

You don't need a doctorate in sociology, or even to look at the mountains of evidence (that you're ignoring) to see that more gun control = less dead people.

[unsunghero]

Yeah man I’m super disappointed with the cop’s reaction to the shooting. Absolute cowards. An hour holding back parents and even subduing a few of them trying to get inside to pick up their kids. Then they act like they’re the heroes.

“My cousin’s out fighting dragons, and what do I get? Guard duty.”

Ya, if I was a parent having to listen to the gunshots ring out, knowing there are zero officers willing to go in there to try to neutralize the shooter and that my kid is in there, I’d either charge in unarmed or grab an officer’s gun and make them decide if they want to shoot me in the back as I rushed in

The parents of the victims are going to hold the cop’s feet to the fire on this one I think

[Gustoo]

That must be why the US army exclusively uses bolt-action rifles.

Thanks for teaching me that.

If we're talking about military effectiveness, its obvious that a semi automatic weapon is superior to a manually cycled weapon. I would note that a revolver does well against other handguns and is of little hindrance to a skilled operator.

But we are talking about public safety within the united states, and this is the area where there is a distinct lack of evidence.

[Gustoo]

I really don't think it's very complicated: when there are laws restricting how many and where guns can be, by definition there will be be less guns available in those places for people to use to commit gun violence ... so less gun violence occurs.




Yeah that is what I am saying. A reduction in gun violence due to the decrease in number of existing guns (most significantly suicides) is not an indication of an increase in public safety.

An exactly analogous situation would be if hammers were banned and the government went door to door collecting hammers. We would see a significant reduction in thumb injuries and blunt trauma caused by hammers. But that does not indicate that public safety has been increased.

[Reiwa]

If we're talking about military effectiveness, its obvious that a semi automatic weapon is superior to a manually cycled weapon. I would note that a revolver does well against other handguns and is of little hindrance to a skilled operator.

But we are talking about public safety within the united states, and this is the area where there is a distinct lack of evidence.

Why wouldn't the logic apply to other settings?

[unsunghero]

Mexico is an example of a country with large amount of guns already floating around, and gun laws are working wonders for them

[unsunghero]

Gun laws in America COULD work, if there was a way to remove most of our guns before implementing them

And the best people to start removing the guns from, are the felons who shouldn’t have them legally to begin with

Bring back “stop and frisk”. Any felon with a record gets stopped and frisked. Set up checkpoints and have undercover cops on the streets

Start getting aggressive about grabbing guns, but do it from felons

[Mblake1981]

That must be why the US army exclusively uses bolt-action rifles.

Thanks for teaching me that.

If it isn't documented it isn't true and facts do not care about your unverifiable fee-fees.

[Gustoo]

Why wouldn't the logic apply to other settings?

No logic is necessary. Evidence abounds. See Mexico, See 1994-2004 USA (assault weapons ban era), real life evidence that indicates that strict weapons restrictions do not increase public safety.

To indulge in the divergence of the military versus school shooter scenario, in the military an auto loading weapon serves as a "force multiplier" where through sheer volume of fire a force of a given size is able to have a higher % of success. In the modern setting a sophisticated optic is a "force multiplier" because of the same small % increase of success. The auto loading weapon in a military setting is also supported by supply chains.

Children don't shoot back and there are no supply chains. The % increase in murder effectiveness in this scenario would be statistically insignificant. There is no evidence available anywhere that indicates that 14 kids and 1 teacher would not be dead today if the shooter was using a pump action shotgun and a revolver.

Ceding power to an authoritarian government based on a mere idea is foolhardy at best. Logical approaches to increasing safety should be the prominent point of discussion. The fact that evidence based approaches to reducing mental health crisis that result in mass murder are not at the forefront of discussion is indication that these shootings are used to further an authoritarian agenda with no concern for public safety. Senators kids don't go to public schools. They give no fucks.

[unsunghero]

No logic is necessary. Evidence abounds. See Mexico, See 1994-2004 USA (assault weapons ban era), real life evidence that indicates that strict weapons restrictions do not increase public safety.

To indulge in the divergence of the military versus school shooter scenario, in the military an auto loading weapon serves as a "force multiplier" where through sheer volume of fire a force of a given size is able to have a higher % of success. In the modern setting a sophisticated optic is a "force multiplier" because of the same small % increase of success. The auto loading weapon in a military setting is also supported by supply chains.

Children don't shoot back and there are no supply chains. The % increase in murder effectiveness in this scenario would be statistically insignificant. There is no evidence available anywhere that indicates that 14 kids and 1 teacher would not be dead today if the shooter was using a pump action shotgun and a revolver.

Yeah the reason the body count was so high wasn’t the style of gun, it was the fact police hid outside for a full hour while he killed

How any kid survived from that classroom is beyond me. If your shooter is getting bored and running out of targets in a contained setting, your police sucks

But let’s rely on only police to save us though

[Reiwa]

No logic is necessary. Evidence abounds. See Mexico, See 1994-2004 USA (assault weapons ban era), real life evidence that indicates that strict weapons restrictions do not increase public safety.

To indulge in the divergence of the military versus school shooter scenario, in the military an auto loading weapon serves as a "force multiplier" where through sheer volume of fire a force of a given size is able to have a higher % of success. In the modern setting a sophisticated optic is a "force multiplier" because of the same small % increase of success. The auto loading weapon in a military setting is also supported by supply chains.

Children don't shoot back and there are no supply chains. The % increase in murder effectiveness in this scenario would be statistically insignificant. There is no evidence available anywhere that indicates that 14 kids and 1 teacher would not be dead today if the shooter was using a pump action shotgun and a revolver.

Ceding power to an authoritarian government based on a mere idea is foolhardy at best. Logical approaches to increasing safety should be the prominent point of discussion. The fact that evidence based approaches to reducing mental health crisis that result in mass murder is indication that these shootings are used to further an authoritarian agenda.

Is there evidence it wouldn't have? Why isn't there any evidence either way?

Or is logic enough for thee but not for me? :p

And you wouldn't be getting in firefights with a superior enemy that has fucking tanks dude. You'd be fragging officer heads into pink mist from a distance and retreating. Don't need autoloader for that.

[Gustoo]

I would also note that this would be a really great area for biden to push hard on (being anti 2nd ammendment) to ensure victory for whoever his opponent in the next election.

[Gustoo]

Reiwa - There is evidence that gun violence abounds despite highly restrictive gun laws, as mentioned. There is evidence of the effectiveness of the weapons you graciously decided would be allowed in your ban, assuming the shooter chose only to use legal weapons in his criminal act.

And we were talking about the military, who has to shoot at whoever they are told to, and both sides would have tanks, supported by infantry troops, as always.

[unsunghero]

I’ve noticed a cultural shift with police in my job in regards to firearm suicide threats. I mentioned it to the Department of Justice lawyers that interviewed me a few weeks ago. I described it in a neutral, non-accusatory way

Years ago, if someone was barricaded in their home with a gun making suicidal statements, police might not always force entry but they would have a negotiator and their mental health officers remain on that scene until it was resolved as safely as they could

Nowadays, I have been in multiple similar situations with cops around where they will devote a few hours to trying to talk the person down, and then they bail. I’ve had multiple cops now say to us mental health workers still on scene “whatever happens, happens”, as they were leaving

I don’t completely fault the officers for not wanting to risk their life to stop a suicidal person. I only mentioned that years ago they would, or at least wouldn’t just leave them, pack their shit up and go. Maybe it’s a resource issue or a protocol change

But I bet there are much fewer cops who want to be a hero nowadays in regards to saving non-suicidal people, and I think our media’s demonization of them played a role in that. You can tell when you see cops retiring earlier or just quitting

[Gustoo]

Reiwa - to bolster your argument it is possible that if the cops were as cowardly as they seem to have behaved, its possible they would have been less afraid of the shooter if they somehow knew for a fact that the shooter had less effective weapons than they did so the shooter would have had less than a full hour to take 15 lives.

Unsunghero - I agree. The liability on a cop running into a school guns blazing potentially accidentally shooting a kid or something makes them much more risk averse in these situations. When they can cede their responsibility to the "proper authority" in this case a SWAT officer, they seem more likely to do so.

[loramin]

Yeah that is what I am saying. A reduction in gun violence due to the decrease in number of existing guns (most significantly suicides) is not an indication of an increase in public safety.

An exactly analogous situation would be if hammers were banned and the government went door to door collecting hammers. We would see a significant reduction in thumb injuries and blunt trauma caused by hammers. But that does not indicate that public safety has been increased.

Yes, it does! Less people dying means society is safer, even suicides.

And there's a critical difference with your hammer analogy: we need hammers to build things. We don't need guns, or at least not beyond basic rifles for hunting and guns for jobs like security. Beyond those functions guns do society zero good.

[Reiwa]

Reiwa - There is evidence that gun violence abounds despite highly restrictive gun laws, as mentioned. There is evidence of the effectiveness of the weapons you graciously decided would be allowed in your ban, assuming the shooter chose only to use legal weapons in his criminal act.

And we were talking about the military, who has to shoot at whoever they are told to, and both sides would have tanks, supported by infantry troops, as always.

Highly restrictive gun laws that do nothing to prevent teenage dumdums from going on killing sprees on the regular.

Adding more tanks only makes your autoloading weapon less useful btw.

[Gustoo]

Yes, it does! Less people dying means society is safer, even suicides.

And there's a critical difference with your hammer analogy: we need hammers to build things. We don't need guns, or at least not beyond basic rifles for hunting and guns for jobs like security. Beyond those functions guns do society zero good.


Again you are making a fallacious jump with your logic. Less people dying by guns does not mean less people are dying.

We need guns to fight governments. This is so critical that it was the second amendment in the bill of rights. The critical part of the analogy is that blunt force trauma can happen via baseball bats and rocks, while murder can happen via vehicles and knives and propane tanks.

[Reiwa]

I'm out for now before I start saying swears. 😇

[Mblake1981]

You must not have seen Howard the Duck

Punisher 1989 is pretty good too.

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[Elizondo]

Left Wing Groomer Culture the problem

Not guns

[Jibartik]

I really don't think it's very complicated: when there are laws restricting how many and where guns can be, by definition there will be be less guns available in those places for people to use to commit gun violence ... so less gun violence occurs.

You don't need a doctorate in sociology, or even to look at the mountains of evidence (that you're ignoring) to see that more gun control = less dead people.

By this same argument I could say if we exterminated 90% of the population that there'd be less crime and violence in general too.

Like just because that fact is true does not mean it makes sense.

[robayon]

Left Wing Groomer Culture the problem

Not gunsWe're gonna put that on the fridge right where dad and Gary can see it. Gosh, you're so smart, now go back into your room and play with your legos and try not to eat any

[Jibartik]

if the best thing getting rid of guns does is fixes accidental deaths and lowers suicide yea that's a good thing but there are other ways to do that that dont infringe on anyone's constitutional rights.

Im sure it'd cost more trying to keep guns out of peoples hands than to help people who need it too.

[starkind]

"its so simple all you have to do is have gun control"

"its so simple all you have to do is have security in every hallway"

"No taking guns is fascist"

"No having security is fascist"

https://i.imgur.com/qY0phbq.gif

You need people control. That means no drugs. No aggressive, passive aggressive, or aggressive aggressive behavior, no greed, no abusive bullshit. No lies. Only Honor and integrity and duty. Everyone swears an oath and if they break it they get controlled by everyone. It's everyone's duty to do the control.

You either do that or you let us kill each other without government interference protecting in and out groups.

Sorry if I'm a fascist, not sorry.

P.S. Don't get rid of guns. Make them a privilege earned. AND still do all the rest of it. Control the morons. You don't show up for work on time, you go to the work camp. Until you can earn yourself a new job. Where you show up for work on fuckin time. And stay the fuck of ur cellphone.

And you don't have kids outside of a marriage between a male and a female for the express purpose of raising children. No one else has any other good reason to get married.

We shouldn't have to be each others parents, here we at tho.

[Elizondo]

We're gonna put that on the fridge right where dad and Gary can see it. Gosh, you're so smart, now go back into your room and play with your legos and try not to eat any

You should just put me on ignore instead of whining all the time

[Gustoo]

Highly restrictive gun laws that do nothing to prevent teenage dumdums from going on killing sprees on the regular.



Yeah, it doesn't matter how restrictive your gun laws are (how much of your own rights you give away to the government) you won't make yourself more safe from teenagers on killing spreeds (freedom for security trade off). Hoping that allowing the government to have MORE power will fix this problem is fruitless. The government is not interested in saving lives. They will jump at the opportunity to take away your rights, but truly are not concerned with your well being. If you want to talk about evidence, show me one instance where increasing the governments power has been of benefit to "the governed" aka to you an I. This is not a problem that we can solve by simply voting away our rights. Blaming our freedom for these deaths.

It is a problem of our diseased society. It is something we can solve, but not by spending time on divisive political strategies rather than effective community strategies. And to those who say that communities are not able or willing to solve these problems, I will say that you might be right. But it is the only way to be successful so it is worth your efforts and the efforts of everyone you know to try to create a culture where the health of all living things including humans and their mental health are a priority rather than corporate profits. What we are talking about is not some nebulous non human "corporate" greed. We are talking about actual human greed, the greed that is currently instrumentalized to drive people to work long hours for poorer and poorer pay for the hope that one day that can achieve a status of no longer having to work and sitting finally on their high horse or in their high castle where they too can be an exploiter of some kind. What a dream we have.

Right now $$ profits are the absolute reining monarchy in our government and in the hearts of most of out citizens. It is this erroneous priority that will certainly be our demise. It is the correction of this error by smallest incremental changes (by individuals like the EQ addicts on this forum) that is the only hope for actually making things better. Passing new laws whether it be in favor of guns or against guns or in favor of abortion of against abortion or in favor of immigration or against immigration or in favor of giving ukraine 40 billion +++ dollars in weapons or against giving ukraine 40 billion +++ dollars in weapons will have absolutely no bearing on the outcome of the demise of our country and our world and the degradation of the lives of our children and their posterity. "The powers that be" may or may not be pure evil, but they cannot commit evil acts without first convincing you and I to let them do so. You and I don't have to BELIEVE the right thing. We have to DO the right thing.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
The internet doesn't cause mental illness, no one giving a damn about eachother does. It might make it easier to see though, because there is so much written evidence now.

[Jibartik]

Yeah, it doesn't matter how restrictive your gun laws are (how much of your own rights you give away to the government) you won't make yourself more safe from teenagers on killing spreeds (freedom for security trade off). Hoping that allowing the government to have MORE power will fix this problem is fruitless. The government is not interested in saving lives. They will jump at the opportunity to take away your rights, but truly are not concerned with your well being. If you want to talk about evidence, show me one instance where increasing the governments power has been of benefit to "the governed" aka to you an I. This is not a problem that we can solve by simply voting away our rights. Blaming our freedom for these deaths.

It is a problem of our diseased society. It is something we can solve, but not by spending time on divisive political strategies rather than effective community strategies. And to those who say that communities are not able or willing to solve these problems, I will say that you might be right. But it is the only way to be successful so it is worth your efforts and the efforts of everyone you know to try to create a culture where the health of all living things including humans and their mental health are a priority rather than corporate profits. What we are talking about is not some nebulous non human "corporate" greed. We are talking about actual human greed, the greed that is currently instrumentalized to drive people to work long hours for poorer and poorer pay for the hope that one day that can achieve a status of no longer having to work and sitting finally on their high horse or in their high castle where they too can be an exploiter of some kind. What a dream we have.

Right now $$ profits are the absolute reining monarchy in our government and in the hearts of most of out citizens. It is this erroneous priority that will certainly be our demise. It is the correction of this error by smallest incremental changes (by individuals like the EQ addicts on this forum) that is the only hope for actually making things better. Passing new laws whether it be in favor of guns or against guns or in favor of abortion of against abortion or in favor of immigration or against immigration or in favor of giving ukraine 40 billion +++ dollars in weapons or against giving ukraine 40 billion +++ dollars in weapons will have absolutely no bearing on the outcome of the demise of our country and our world and the degradation of the lives of our children and their posterity. "The powers that be" may or may not be pure evil, but they cannot commit evil acts without first convincing you and I to let them do so.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
The internet doesn't cause mental illness, no one giving a damn about eachother does. It might make it easier to see though, because there is so much written evidence now.

I was with you right up to the part where you dont admit dog cat on computer causes illness.

https://i.imgur.com/1aBOZqh.png

[Elizondo]

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
The internet doesn't cause mental illness, no one giving a damn about eachother does. It might make it easier to see though, because there is so much written evidence now.

Kids are being raised on pills and an absence of morality but it's "the guns' or something

[Gustoo]

Jib - as much as I think the internet should be closed down immediately and its history erased from the history of humanity, if we didn't act like scum to eachother, the internet would be the equivalent of the technology that allows starfleet to travel the universe.

Instead it is seen as just another tool by psychopaths to extract money and value and life from other humans.

[Jibartik]

Jib - as much as I think the internet should be closed down immediately and its history erased from the history of humanity, if we didn't act like scum to eachother, the internet would be the equivalent of the technology that allows starfleet to travel the universe.

Instead it is seen as just another tool by psychopaths to extract money and value and life from other humans.

200 years of computer diseases say no to terrorism .21

https://i.imgur.com/jhGCPSb.png

[loramin]

By this same argument I could say if we exterminated 90% of the population that there'd be less crime and violence in general too.

Like just because that fact is true does not mean it makes sense.

Except that it makes sense in every other country around the world where they don't have gun issues like ours. It's like saving the lives of innocent school children suddenly becomes so evil thing here in 'Merica, because we need guns to protect ourselves from the government ...

... nevermind that your government could crush you with a bomb dropped from a plane thousands of feet overhead if it wanted to. Guns are useless for the one thing gun nuts claim they're "essential" for ... but they're great for killing innocent people.

[Rethalis]

Except that it makes sense in every other country around the world where they don't have gun issues like ours. It's like saving the lives of innocent school children suddenly becomes so evil thing here in 'Merica, because we need guns to protect ourselves from the government ...

... nevermind that your government could crush you with a bomb dropped from a plane thousands of feet overhead if it wanted to. Guns are useless for the one thing gun nuts claim they're "essential" for ... but they're great for killing innocent people.

United States has a deadbeat dad and fatherless children problem not a gun problem.

[robayon]

United States has a deadbeat dad and fatherless children problem not a gun problem.If that is really the problem then what do you suggest as potential solutions?

[Jibartik]

Except that it makes sense in every other country around the world where they don't have gun issues like ours. It's like saving the lives of innocent school children suddenly becomes so evil thing here in 'Merica, because we need guns to protect ourselves from the government ...

Every other country does not have ameican exceptionalism or individualism either.

So you cant just say guns are the 1 thing that's different there are like a million things that are different that are as big as guns.

Weather Americans want to admit it mass killings are just American culture.

As recent as 1960 it was basically organized by the state in the form of klan rallies.

There is just more to this than what you're saying.

... nevermind that your government could crush you with a bomb dropped from a plane thousands of feet overhead if it wanted to. Guns are useless for the one thing gun nuts claim they're "essential" for ... but they're great for killing innocent people.

Look at the fact that in ukraine right now citizens owning guns just saved their ass from a russian invasion because they were armed and they dont have school shootings there.

[Gustoo]

A government doesn't benefit from nuclear bombing their own land, or by regular bombing it. The fact that the government has more power than ever is no argument in favor of giving them still more power over us, the ruled. Just because a population can be exterminated by poison gas or nuclear bomb does not have a meaningful negative impact on the usefulness of weapons against tyranny. Ask any tyrant in history. Ask Putin presently.

Loramin I don't see anyone making the argument that stripping the legal ownership of guns away from Americans would have no reduction in school shootings. It would.

The argument anti gun people make is that we will be more safe without guns. There is no evidence to support this argument.

The argument that possibly you are the only one in the world is trying to make is "if there were no guns, no one would die from guns" that is not an argument that needs making because it is a logical fact.

If I had no legs I could never kick someone
If I had no arms I could never punch someone
If I had no car I could never injure someone with a car I was driving
If I had no hammer I could never hurt someone with a hammer
If I had no knife I could never hurt someone iwth a knife.

If America had no legs it could never kick anyone
If America had no arms it oculd never punch anyone
If America had no cars there would be no car injuries
If America had no hammers there would be no hammer injuries
If America had no knives there would be no knife injuries.
If there were no elephants, there would be no more unethical treatment of elephants.

These are all self evident logical facts. You do not need to make statements like this anymore Loramin.

[Jibartik]

we, a nuclear world power just lost a war in afghanastan against guys with guns

russia, a nuclear world power is losing a war against ukraine against guys with guns

Vietnam guys with guns beats a country with nukes

NK guys with guns beats a country with nukes

List goes on and on.

the totalitarian dystopian us democrat or trump run mililtary that tries to take over usa < guys with guns.

[Gustoo]

On this topic, it is interesting because even if fully abandoning gun rights in the USA made people less likely to be injured, robbed and killed combined, the value of the 2nd amendment stands.

Just like we all choose to have automobiles in our lives because it is more convenient to get around and live in our society with them, Americans by and large choose to have guns in our lives because it is more convenient or simply preferable to be able to point guns back at our overlords than to not be able to.

I'm making one argument about public safety because there really is no sound evidence about it despite ridiculous claims with no data, and the fact that public safety is literally never number 1 in our lives. But the larger argument is still the stronger one, that it is right for the people to be armed, and it is wrong for them to be disarmed.

In a dream world, "the government" is not armed, and neither are we, and we cooperate. In this world, violence is just as important as it was in the medieval times. Gun's won't save us from horrible outcomes but neither will giving them up. At least they put some kind of hard cap on the level of dystopian authoritarian nightmarescape that can ever exist within this country, as perpetrated by this regime.

Sorry you don't trust your neighbors to have a weapon. Lets focus on THAT problem and fix THAT. How do we get neighbors to be trust worthy. How do we get to the point where we trust EACHOTHER. All of history documents the story about how we can not trust the federal government. If I had old inventory of native american scalp I can probably still trade it for 5$ at the nearest federal building. The law didn't get changed till like 1948 but they'd probably still have to pay. This is the exact same government that enacted all the most horrible things you have ever read about in American history with no changes, no interruptions, no reforms. Nothing.

[Jibartik]

The left thinks that if we get rid of the guns, the rolling coal culture will stop.

I really think they think that the gun culture is the problem, and not that american culture is the problem

The problem is this is just something we liked to do, we've been killing people who mess with us since the god damn start of this country.

They left it up to us to colonize this country, and to tame the west, and americans will be god damned if anyone messes with their individual sovereignty.

[Horza]

we just lost a war in afghanastan against guys with guns

russia is losing a war against ukraine against guys with guns

Vietnam guys with guns

NK guys with guns

List goes on and on.

the totalitarian dystopian us mililtary that tries to take over or a foreign nation that tries to take over usa < guys with guns.

Who exactly do you think American conservatives are currently fighting a war against and why do Fox News fans take this Great White Replacement theory so seriously?

[Reiwa]

The Left: Weapons that automatically reload are automatic weapons and should be banned.
The Right: No, automatics fire lots of shots with one trigger pull and are banned.
The Enlightened Center: no Glocks, yes Mausers

[Jibartik]

Cant even define a human life, or a woman or a man, but we've got the gun classifications nailed down.

"ban 50 bullet clips!"

:o

[Gustoo]

Do you think the absolute demolition of personal privacy laws that resulted from"the patriot act" was some kind of mistake? There are people alive today that still close their eyes and think about the passing of that bill to get rock hard when they're spending the weekend on epstein island 2022. It's a dream come true.

As soon as it is determined that there won't be a civil war, the 2nd amendment will be annulled. In many ways it has been effectively annulled but the fact that we're having this discussion right now means that "they" aren't happy with the present state of things, or at least still want to use it as an inflammatory issue to get us to hate each other, which is always priority number 1.

[Reiwa]

Cant even define a human life, or a woman or a man, but we've got the gun classifications nailed down.

"ban 50 bullet clips!"

:o

Modern gender science was only invented to frustrate and annoy people we dislike.

Which we like very much!

[Jibartik]

Gun control wont limit gun deaths besides suicide

we should do it anyway then because any lives saved are good

ok we should have more police in violent gang neighborhoods

NO RACIST NO NO NO!

[Reiwa]

Gun control wont limit gun deaths besides suicide

we should do it anyway then because any lives saved are good

ok we should have more police in violent gang neighborhoods

NO RACIST NO NO NO!

I think banning autoloader weapons would do a lot to remediate urban gun violence.

But people will stamp their feet and say no not our problem(white supremacy), so discussing school shootings cowabunga it is.

[Horza]

Horza - I dunno who "conservatives" or more specifically I think you're asking about "trump guys" are preparing to fight a war against.

Pretty sure that even many of the Never Trumpers claim we're being invaded by hordes of non-whites right now and the killings by their voters will probably continue until we appease their hurt feelings.