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Kazowi
03-30-2011, 03:39 PM
I don't even know who u are....one of TZVZ rejects most likely.



talking about yourself pal? you obviously got dick slammed into submission, promptly logged off the server for men and went to this farmville like blue server. yeah youre tough

naez
03-30-2011, 03:40 PM
rexx comin @ you hard

Smedy
03-30-2011, 03:43 PM
talking about yourself pal? you obviously got dick slammed into submission, promptly logged off the server for men and went to this farmville like blue server. yeah youre tough

America fuck yeah

How could you not know rexx? He's so famous there's even an interview with him from 2009 when he started working at the glass factory.

<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/kjFLcHY5pPI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Kazowi
03-30-2011, 03:45 PM
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/deadspin/2009/04/Thibodeau.jpg

Big Rexx won the basketball finals yall for 2 years in a row.

Knuckle
03-30-2011, 03:48 PM
if we had a wood elf warrior xantille, ogre warrior rexx, human monk knuckle, with some clutch clerics in the mix, should be able to handle any mass pvp.

Walk
03-30-2011, 03:49 PM
i still cant decide if ima roll a ranger,shm, or necro halp

Kazowi
03-30-2011, 03:50 PM
big walk roll shaman roll with the top dog melees

Wizard
03-30-2011, 03:53 PM
It won't be a vztz clone.

Mayyyyyybe.. a little faster exp? Maybe not.

Fixed content needs to stay fixed.

Let the erections begin.

Knuckle
03-30-2011, 03:55 PM
Exactly. P99 content with the correct PVP adjustments, and a XP model mirroring p99 is what is needed.

Knuckle
03-30-2011, 03:56 PM
Yeah we need some stocktons with our malones

naez
03-30-2011, 03:57 PM
The problem is, Project 1999 code isn't ready to handle wide scale pvp. There are numerous issues with the pvp combat at the moment that need to be worked out.. and where to begin I wouldn't even know. That's where you guys come in.. to start making notes on what needs to be fixed in pvp on the current server (via dueling or arena fights).

damn that sucks cuz I had a pretty good pvp build going, got the official in game leader board working too

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/7100/etay.png

but alas, had to make room for pron


if you find the vz/tz source (think it was posted somewhere on eqemu), and just Visual Studio search all files for 'daxum' or 'null' you'll find a lot of good pvp mechanic fixes.

naez
03-30-2011, 04:02 PM
Vile also might also has a good pvp build I helped him with you can use for diffs, including my leaderboard (but he copypasta'd it wrong and it didn't work)

pojab
03-30-2011, 04:03 PM
make sure to disregard any and all changes made by voidd.

Gnar
03-30-2011, 04:04 PM
Big Gnar will be dumping on blues also, along with his portbot pal greebo for portbot slaying lulz

Salty
03-30-2011, 04:07 PM
make sure to disregard any and all changes made by voidd.

shit on them

Smedy
03-30-2011, 04:07 PM
make sure to disregard any and all changes made by voidd.

TBH, make sure he doesn't even have access to anything. Don't want good ol kringe running around in full planar set before we hit 20, ya'll feelin me?

mitic
03-30-2011, 04:14 PM
I didn't hack

internets says different

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b25/cpatman/epictrain.jpg

naez
03-30-2011, 04:15 PM
Kringette was quite possibly the worst staff decision of any emu ever

Smedy
03-30-2011, 04:17 PM
internets says different

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b25/cpatman/epictrain.jpg

30 Amygdalan knight can't be wrong, haxx detected

mitic
03-30-2011, 04:18 PM
look closer mr spielberg

Salty
03-30-2011, 04:20 PM
Treason still QQing?

Not even pals of the server, goddamn.

naez
03-30-2011, 04:32 PM
the FPS in Rexx's screenshot is not a hack, we've been over this a million times its WinEQ 2.15 lite

Kazowi
03-30-2011, 04:32 PM
look closer mr spielberg

grats on digging up a screenshot already put under scrutiny and detective work.

It's called wineq2.0


If I need to I can dig up the thread that was made about this 3 years ago or so.

naez
03-30-2011, 04:32 PM
2.0* sorry was confused, you can only download 2.15 now which does not have the FPS meter, but I have used 2.0 as well and can confirm it does

Kazowi
03-30-2011, 04:35 PM
2.0* sorry was confused, you can only download 2.15 now which does not have the FPS meter, but I have used 2.0 as well and can confirm it does

might have been 2.15 as well not sure. either way dig up the past more mitic.


ps thx naez for being my pal

naez
03-30-2011, 04:37 PM
i wuv u rexx earthshaker 4 lyfe

Salty
03-30-2011, 04:38 PM
Kazowi will white knight his competition's epics just to even the playing field.

True story

Bombfist
03-30-2011, 04:39 PM
I did alot of parsing etc previously, pretty sure lasher myself, terp and a few others would be prepared to put some time in, if you could revert vz/tz to some code that isn't in a place made of utter shit then i'd happily log on and start right now. There is basically a shit tonne of tricks / exploits if you will that currently work on vz/tz also, that shouldn't be there, Rogean if you could provide us with a thread to make legit posts on about fixes we believe to be made it would be appreciated, aside all the fun and the basketball, to post our findings without the thread being completely shit up will be impossible unless somebody on staff makes it.

Salty
03-30-2011, 04:41 PM
I'm fully confident in Lasher's ability to crack the fuck out on some peeveepee

Salty
03-30-2011, 04:42 PM
Dude plays the fuck out of EQ like it's tigerblood

mitic
03-30-2011, 04:47 PM
naez, defending someone of his own kind (http://emu.pwned.com/showthread.php?11630-Naez)

Salty
03-30-2011, 04:47 PM
naez, defending someone of his own kind (http://emu.pwned.com/showthread.php?11630-Naez)

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naez
03-30-2011, 04:49 PM
lol the hacks I posted and got banned for were

1) makes it so MQ2 doesnt work past 2010
2) called home to my private server logging the character


except voidd doesn't know how to code


we mustn't let these hacks fall into the wrong hands!!

Salty
03-30-2011, 04:50 PM
It took about 1 year for any of their staff to understand that an <invalid guild> (guild0) crashed MQ.

naez
03-30-2011, 04:51 PM
also voidd is a tard itt even if I did ack I wouldn't warp all over the place or try to target things out of los, since I would know those things would trigger the detector

naez
03-30-2011, 04:54 PM
It took about 1 year for any of their staff to understand that an <invalid guild> (guild0) crashed MQ.

and it took the players 1 hour to figure out /mqcaptions show 0 would bypass it

Salty
03-30-2011, 04:56 PM
Closest they got to doing anything effective.

mitic
03-30-2011, 04:57 PM
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oh i see what u did there!

just for you:

http://i684.photobucket.com/albums/vv203/miticeq/naez.jpg

lol the hacks I posted and got banned for were

1) makes it so MQ2 doesnt work past 2010
2) called home to my private server logging the character

except voidd doesn't know how to code

we mustn't let these hacks fall into the wrong hands!!

ya, sure :rolleyes:

Harrison
03-30-2011, 05:00 PM
Owned.

Knuckle
03-30-2011, 05:01 PM
The problem is, Project 1999 code isn't ready to handle wide scale pvp. There are numerous issues with the pvp combat at the moment that need to be worked out.. and where to begin I wouldn't even know. That's where you guys come in.. to start making notes on what needs to be fixed in pvp on the current server (via dueling or arena fights).

im giving you Nulls aim, i think you should talk with him, hes the best pvp coder vztz ever had, also, his wife singlehandidly coded kunark for vztz

Salty
03-30-2011, 05:03 PM
Kunark was pretty damn good for vztz if it was all done by her.

Only gripe was the fucked up searyx drop rates.

Massive Marc
03-30-2011, 05:03 PM
Owned.

The fact their forums even had confession thread was telling enough. Researching through the archives paints a pretty good picture of who is doing what.

mitic
03-30-2011, 05:03 PM
Titanuk, whats uuuupppppp (http://emu.pwned.com/showthread.php?11693-Peeed-Grandpa-Titanuk)

Salty
03-30-2011, 05:03 PM
Null is ALWAYS on aim, DO IT

Walk
03-30-2011, 05:04 PM
big walk roll shaman roll with the top dog melees

looks like big shawty it is bro's

Knuckle
03-30-2011, 05:06 PM
Check my whistle bro, its clean as can be, search the forums for me for MQ/HaxSploits

Knuckle
03-30-2011, 05:07 PM
Null did the awesome custom events, I think we can all agree the Rile Event era that he created was one of the best periods in the history of garagebox. Null the cleanest whistle of any GM.

naez
03-30-2011, 05:08 PM
wutevskies I always rolled legit when basketball was going down.

Smedy
03-30-2011, 05:08 PM
im giving you Nulls aim, i think you should talk with him, hes the best pvp coder vztz ever had, also, his wife singlehandidly coded kunark for vztz

I also wouch for Null, he currently does a lot of work from home so he probably has some time if inspired to do so, he is good at coding and did the best out o fall the staff on vztz.

And as bombfist said, we need a proper channel to report issues, and dicsuss them, when it comes to balancing i'm super serious, and trolling about it should be a bannable offense

Walk
03-30-2011, 05:09 PM
I also wouch for Null, he currently does a lot of work from home so he probably has some time if inspired to do so, he is good at coding and did the best out o fall the staff on vztz.

And as bombfist said, we need a proper channel to report issues, and dicsuss them, when it comes to balancing i'm super serious, and trolling about it should be a bannable offense

this

Gnar
03-30-2011, 05:11 PM
Null, Sirken and Cottus for red 99 gm win

naez
03-30-2011, 05:12 PM
besides a few simple things like adding a check if someone is within level range or guilded, tweaking resists and melee pushback vs. players, and a few other things there really isn't a whole lot that needs to be done to convert red-> blue. even the leaderboard only took about 20 minutes to code (although I could never come up with a good formula for calculating pts)

naez
03-30-2011, 05:13 PM
well the hard part is getting them right, but you just need a test dummy

Harrison
03-30-2011, 05:17 PM
wutevskies I always rolled legit when basketball was going down.

That's your response to hacking? :rolleyes:

This is why you guys are a joke.

naez
03-30-2011, 05:19 PM
I never, ever acked when I played the box. Not even once. On a lowbie toon in 3.0 (which I didn't even play) just testing things out, but more for my C++ amusement and trying to crack Bodu's zonecmd than to gain a pvp advantage.

any of the 2000 scrubs in zerg nightmare vent can confirm 100% legit

Knuckle
03-30-2011, 05:19 PM
Big things that gotta be tweaked:
Snare/Mez/root duration
Can't Charm/Fear players.
Make sure mitigation is working properly.
Spell casting Line of Sight.
All damage is scaled appropriately.
Adding yellow text broadcast for pvp kills.


Rules that should absolutely be enforced:
No Training.

Bombfist
03-30-2011, 05:19 PM
On vz/tz right now, solo pvping, sup.

naez
03-30-2011, 05:20 PM
and nightmare had a lot of hackers in it

Rushmore
03-30-2011, 05:20 PM
That's your response to hacking? :rolleyes:

This is why you guys are a joke.

This thread is no joke bro. Deal. Big things inc..

naez
03-30-2011, 05:20 PM
but i turned blind eye i feel so ashamed

Walk
03-30-2011, 05:23 PM
and nightmare had a lot of hackers in it

i never acked bro

Massive Marc
03-30-2011, 05:23 PM
Big things that gotta be tweaked:
Snare/Mez/root duration
Can't Charm/Fear players.
Make sure mitigation is working properly.
Spell casting Line of Sight.
All damage is scaled appropriately.
Adding yellow text broadcast for pvp kills.


Rules that should absolutely be enforced:
No Training.

I disagree with training. I'm no PVP king, but I think you should be able to use all tactic to crush your enemy, no ?

Massive Marc
03-30-2011, 05:24 PM
I disagree with training. I'm no PVP king, but I think you should be able to use all tactic to crush your enemy, no ?

Edit
Errr... Disagree with "No Training"

mitic
03-30-2011, 05:25 PM
under what other name (http://www.fohguild.org/forums/1634697-post1287.html) does Tyen play again? i forgot!

anyways, again, just for you Salty:

http://i684.photobucket.com/albums/vv203/miticeq/Salty.jpg

this post alone deserves an own thread here :D

Walk
03-30-2011, 05:25 PM
I disagree with training. I'm no PVP king, but I think you should be able to use all tactic to crush your enemy, no ?

training is what mad ppl do

naez
03-30-2011, 05:26 PM
it was mainly after kunark when we went from 5 people to massive zerg but ppl like me, dojii, and mrcurtloco 100% legit

naez
03-30-2011, 05:29 PM
Rules that should absolutely be enforced:
No Training.

aww I thought it was SZ rules me and chadlek were going to improve the bard/cleric skills on p99

naez
03-30-2011, 05:29 PM
chadlek 100% legit

Smedy
03-30-2011, 05:30 PM
I don't like training either, but then again, it's so hard for the GM's to constantly police it.

VZTZ had no good way of working against train's sure people posted fraps and had people banned. But then again i could make a train movie in 10 minutes where i basicly conjured up all the players in it on my own, and what would that lead to?

I think no rules is the way to go, and i think people will adapt to the game style eventually.

Kazowi
03-30-2011, 05:30 PM
mitic did you play on vztz? were you that kid who got butt hurt because he got booted from a guild and denied from mine? i see you made a home on p99. you fit right in

naez
03-30-2011, 05:31 PM
I remember mitic he was like a gnome warrior or something

Salty
03-30-2011, 05:31 PM
Big Mitic was a Treason fag with Tink.

Smedy
03-30-2011, 05:33 PM
Smedy caught in bad weather many times, yet no logs of any unclean whistle in the GM logs, only a train and that's it.

My whistle may be the cleanest of them all considering i've been around the box for as long as rexx.

naez
03-30-2011, 05:35 PM
I played the box semi-casually before it was a classic server when it was like Nexus and a bunch of porters to raid areas and I may have been the most banned behind Kringe. Unclean whistle bros

mitic
03-30-2011, 05:37 PM
mitic did you play on vztz? were you that kid who got butt hurt because he got booted from a guild and denied from mine? i see you made a home on p99. you fit right in

yea i know pal, if i only would have used MQ ... i would be a celeb too now!

kids play eq
real men use mq!

Bombfist
03-30-2011, 05:37 PM
No rules isn't the way to go, smedy you know there is no limit to the level of faggotry people will go to, you can get away with 4 or 5 basic rules on a server like this so it isn't completely idiotic. No raid mob would ever die, i think max level corpse camping is fine by example, by then people learn how to retrieve their corpse from people trying to murder them, but there are people in this community who will literally sit on a level 10 for 5 hours straight with no problems, the server would need a ruleset.

Dont get me wrong smedy, from my point of view as a player it would be perfect for me, but you're speaking for a whole community who would just make the place implode if that happened.

Basically everything knuckle wrote, raid mobs should be contested for, training isn't pvp, i remember dying in fear and attacking a guild in full summoned armour and taking fear back, shit is just fun.

Smedy
03-30-2011, 05:41 PM
I know Bombfist, you might be right. But you have to realize the amount of bullshit that came from having rules to. Every single little loophole exploited to the max every single time, which eventually had players leaving.

It's such a diplomacy feast with rules, whoever talks to the gm's the best gets their way, this is why i think no rules is a simple rule, there are none, so no loop holes.

But i see your point to, i know what happened on vztz when we did no rules, it was garbage for everyone who played.

Maybe a really solid ruleset is the way to go, a ruleset that has been though over, no loop holes, no questions. Then again i don't think such rulesets exist, and i think it will put a lot of strain on the GM's once again.

I'm all ears for discussion though, i mean trust me, i hate trains and no rules game play.

naez
03-30-2011, 05:41 PM
hacking, besides zonecmd, doesn't even give you any advantage. unless you got my leet map-any-zone ack that took days to find the offset, or my leet mq2pvpalert, or my leet HUD that drew arrows on screen to nearby PCs

i got the leet hax br0s

Kazowi
03-30-2011, 05:42 PM
yea i know pal, if i only would have used MQ ... i would be a celeb too now!

kids play eq
real men use mq!

kids farm gear on pve server, men battle it out. we didnt all use MQ you know this

Envious
03-30-2011, 05:44 PM
There was a post of Rexx admitting to using MQ, but it when "everyone did it"... damn forum wipe.

And for you idiots, with a CLASSIC exp curve, there are not going to be 4hr lvl 50 alts. So, dont expect to be leveling up your own cleric, shaman, enchanter, and druid to buff yourself.

As for Kazowi claiming he never ran around raid buffed... he never went anywhere without his pocket cleric for buffs, and usually a few friends to support him as well.

So much bullshit in this thread. Kinda weak imo.

naez
03-30-2011, 05:45 PM
Daxum encouraged MQ use before it was a legit server

Kazowi
03-30-2011, 05:46 PM
Thats called playing smart. L2P pal. Why would I run around solo as a warrior buffless? Does that make sense or sound smart to you? Probably why you can't handle pvp bro nig dog. I may have had clerics and some pals with me but thats only called playing smart in my book.


I did use MQ in 2007 summer when VZTZ had less than 20 people playing it. Before you probably even knew about EQ emulator. I used it for the map function to find pvp in a baren wasteland of nobody. Soon as daxum said no more i stopped, but ride my nuts bro im ready for it.

Smedy
03-30-2011, 05:49 PM
2 things i'm going to completely love about P99 RED is

1. Anonymous works, no more /who all zone shit, finally pvp will be a surprise!
2. No more 2 boxing, vztz sucked because if you wanted to compete on any level you always needed full raid buff, even for simple 1v1 pvp.

Massive Marc
03-30-2011, 05:50 PM
Thats called playing smart. L2P pal. Why would I run around solo as a warrior buffless? Does that make sense or sound smart to you? Probably why you can't handle pvp bro nig dog. I may have had clerics and some pals with me but thats only called playing smart in my book.


I'm assuming you boxed the cleric.

I don't think boxing will be allowed.

Would you still play a warrior ?

Bombfist
03-30-2011, 05:54 PM
Well it's down to intuition at the end of the day, the people trying to exploit loop holes are the people who are trying to swindle their way around a GM, which basically comes down to the point of view from 2 people. Sirken did an outstanding job when it came down to most situations as a GM on vz/tz, the situations you're talking about mostly came from people like Puma etc who didn't want to let the server breathe, freezing people in pvp for no reason and so on.

From reading through petitions personally the community isn't so bad, most problems came from game mechanics like i said in an earlier post, any whiny petitions were just basically lack of knowledge about the game etc, i myself got accused of cheating several times as you know when voidd decided to set 2h weapon delay to 0 by accident, most of this servers problems came from game mechanics and GM's. The community does have plenty of morons in it, but that's life.

A decent ruleset written by 10 of the community with Gm involvement, and if we can get 5 Sirkens to police the server then we win.

Smedy
03-30-2011, 05:55 PM
Sirken did a good job, however when people break the rules, third strike should be it imo. Must have some kind of real punishment, which we lacked on vztz..

Knuckle
03-30-2011, 05:56 PM
Definitely rolling monk, im glad I won't have to waste time buffing. Just gotta cyber walks shaman so he lets me make potions.

Bombfist
03-30-2011, 05:57 PM
I solo'd as a monk, but i wont be playing melee if this is released as classic with the state of classic hit tables etc, shaman or wizard will be the way to go.

Salty
03-30-2011, 05:57 PM
You got me for buffs big knuck

Bombfist
03-30-2011, 05:58 PM
monk is going to blow balls knuckle, i mean it's my favourite class of any game i've ever played, pending testing i don't think i can handle punching people with white treant fists for 30's

Knuckle
03-30-2011, 05:58 PM
No one would ever camp efreeti for one thing, level 1 cleric DA training with no punishment? >.>
<.<

Smedy
03-30-2011, 06:00 PM
Holysnap im in a tell hell on Oldfart pals, major fameous overhere ya'll feelin me

Bombfist
03-30-2011, 06:04 PM
making big bombfist, hook me up

naez
03-30-2011, 06:06 PM
I solo'd as a monk, but i wont be playing melee if this is released as classic with the state of classic hit tables etc, shaman or wizard will be the way to go.

I ran over 9000 pvp simulations and have discovered mage > wizard in nearly 75% of the test cases. In indoor zone the rate boosts to 99%.

Salty
03-30-2011, 06:08 PM
Resists gonna be mad gay and casters gon be oom quickly. The 30dps may be handy because of that a lone.

Salty
03-30-2011, 06:08 PM
Depends if the resists are going to work like they do NPCs right now. If that's the case I'm on the fence.

Harrison
03-30-2011, 06:08 PM
hacking, besides zonecmd, doesn't even give you any advantage. unless you got my leet map-any-zone ack that took days to find the offset, or my leet mq2pvpalert, or my leet HUD that drew arrows on screen to nearby PCs

i got the leet hax br0s

Lol just keep digging that hole nubshit

Aerist
03-30-2011, 06:09 PM
Damnit walk stop trying to steal my in game name.

Shody the cleric comin at R99 on release bros, Shody/Shawty be scared...

naez
03-30-2011, 06:10 PM
30 dps enough to kill most unbuffed noobs in 20 seconds

naez
03-30-2011, 06:12 PM
Lol just keep digging that hole nubshit

You should be happy that I have decided to grace such blue filth as you with a response.

I never denied that I got mad hacks. I love to brag.

http://emu.pwned.com/showthread.php?10704-25-73-20-7a-6f-6e-65-63-6d-64-20-68-61-73-20-62-65-65-6e-20-64-65-6c-65-74-65-64-2

http://emu.pwned.com/showthread.php?10821-I-demand-the-Kringe-treatment

What I do deny is ever using them on box 1.0, 2.0, or in any pvp situation for the entire total 2 hours I played 3.0

Walk
03-30-2011, 06:12 PM
Damnit walk stop trying to steal my in game name.

Shody the cleric comin at R99 on release bros, Shody/Shawty be scared...

Shawty the shaman gunna do it so big

naez
03-30-2011, 06:13 PM
Harrison, sit down.

http://www.chumpysclipart.com/images/illustrations/thumbnail/3346_picture_of_a_player_sitting_on_the_bench_with _a_basketball_nearby.jpg

Kazowi
03-30-2011, 06:14 PM
I'm assuming you boxed the cleric.

I don't think boxing will be allowed.

Would you still play a warrior ?

most likely yes, or a shaman may mix it up. not sure yet

Harrison
03-30-2011, 06:18 PM
Harrison, sit down.

http://www.chumpysclipart.com/images/illustrations/thumbnail/3346_picture_of_a_player_sitting_on_the_bench_with _a_basketball_nearby.jpg

Admitted hacker getsmad. Responds with image macros.

naez
03-30-2011, 06:19 PM
I was always hacking it up so bad people complained about me more than Kringe.

naez
03-30-2011, 06:20 PM
I'll refer you to my White Knight post after the zonecmd death of box 2.0

http://emu.pwned.com/showthread.php?9498-This-is-what-happens-when-you-shit-where-you-eat&highlight=shit+meal

mitic
03-30-2011, 06:27 PM
found so many more gems about vztz macroquesters who created accounts here the last weeks.. would be worth an own R&F thread :D

salty, sup, why didnt you respond to my last post...took me quite a while to find that information!

naez
03-30-2011, 06:31 PM
i hate hackers who find me so i can kill them faster ruins my immersion

Kazowi
03-30-2011, 06:33 PM
mitic stop being a pussy. go get in line for fungi or something. Hacking was retarded yes but who cares, were all here for a new server that incorporates no hacking and pvp

Salty
03-30-2011, 06:33 PM
salty, sup, why didnt you respond to my last post...took me quite a while to find that information!

What do you want to know bro?

Smedy
03-30-2011, 06:41 PM
making big bombfist, hook me up

Me and bombfists epic adventure posted here : http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=250057&postcount=80

naez
03-30-2011, 06:45 PM
smedy im gonna need those boat hacks for red99

KilyenaMage
03-30-2011, 07:14 PM
Sounds like conclusive proof to me.

P.S. they had an OOR portbot. named bigportbot. :(

Oh I wasn't aware that "portbots" allowed players to warp to any location in a zone instantly.

Salty
03-30-2011, 07:16 PM
I've spammed a few shadow step potions in my day

KilyenaMage
03-30-2011, 07:26 PM
mitic did you play on vztz? were you that kid who got butt hurt because he got booted from a guild and denied from mine? i see you made a home on p99. you fit right in

Dude you ran a guild on an EMU server with a MAX population of 200 people.

Stop talking big now please.

Salty
03-30-2011, 07:26 PM
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KilyenaMage
03-30-2011, 07:27 PM
^

Hard to be the top guild on a sever with 200 people when your guild has been farming the highest end content for YEARS before anyone else right?

LMAO.

Oh...and hacking.

Salty
03-30-2011, 07:27 PM
concurrent users

KilyenaMage
03-30-2011, 07:28 PM
concurrent users

More like Peppery...your posts burn my eyes.

Harrison
03-30-2011, 07:34 PM
314

boxed players >100

naez
03-30-2011, 07:35 PM
underpopulated pvp server > overpopulated blue server

Harrison
03-30-2011, 07:37 PM
Keep telling yourself that. Where is your...oh...wait.

Salty
03-30-2011, 07:50 PM
Don't be upset that rogean has got our back

naez
03-30-2011, 08:02 PM
rogean the pvpeoples hero

Kazowi
03-30-2011, 08:16 PM
Dude you ran a guild on an EMU server with a MAX population of 200 people.

Stop talking big now please.

bigger than you pal

Kazowi
03-30-2011, 08:17 PM
our server didnt have 900 bluebies farming fungi king on it but it definitely had 100-300 players at any given time for a while. Shit was competitive and there were 3 - 4 top guilds when i was playing at my peak, big things bro. Heresy was #1

naez
03-30-2011, 08:19 PM
on 1.0 i was in Nature's Fury when knuckle was guild leader, got them to give me gear then bailed over to Heresy with my pals Rexx and Xebekn for a couple weeks then quit

^5

Salty
03-30-2011, 08:20 PM
jokers gonna get rolled hard

Kazowi
03-30-2011, 08:21 PM
on 1.0 i was in Nature's Fury when knuckle was guild leader, got them to give me gear then bailed over to Heresy with my pals Rexx and Xebekn for a couple weeks then quit

^5

I remember that, right when kunark came out

naez
03-30-2011, 08:24 PM
knoxx was reallly pissed because he vouched for me to get into NF and then there was a whole process of them gearing me up with the guild bank and then the next day i was tagged with their #1 rivals nuking them outside seb

Kazowi
03-30-2011, 08:54 PM
OK after logging on a 50 monk and testing some stuff with another 50 rogue and necromancer, i have come to the conclusion that AC and MR need to be scaled. There was no difference in paralyzing earth landing on 45 mr as there was on 90mr. Also saw no difference in physical attacks on 400ac and 900ac. Backstabs and flying kick seemed to be on par, a 10 damage eyerazia was doing 165 max and the highest flying kick was about 100.

Overall damage needs to be upped, and AC/MR need to scale. Besides that I couldn't see any other problems, detrimental spells should also be tweaked to do an MR check for duration.

If anyone has any other chars they wanna test on let me know and please feel free to critique my research as well as doing your own testing.

naez
03-30-2011, 09:00 PM
should definitely be livelike where after 100mr snares and stuns and such are v difficult to land to the point its not worth chain casting it so the melees can train you

naez
03-30-2011, 09:00 PM
because in the Catastrophe in Kithicor video I got rooted at the end with like 170MR fully buffed and vile got ks /wrist

naez
03-30-2011, 09:02 PM
and yes I tried to pumice but melees had like 0 channelling skill so gluck with that

Aerist
03-30-2011, 09:11 PM
We definately need to start a list of things that need to be looked at for the new box. Rogeans p99 box definately is coded better PVE wise, but the PVP aspect is somewhat lacking. Looks like Rexx already started doing some testing, but we need MOAR.


WRU MIPPO

mimixownzall
03-30-2011, 09:13 PM
OK after logging on a 50 monk and testing some stuff with another 50 rogue and necromancer, i have come to the conclusion that AC and MR need to be scaled. There was no difference in paralyzing earth landing on 45 mr as there was on 90mr. Also saw no difference in physical attacks on 400ac and 900ac. Backstabs and flying kick seemed to be on par, a 10 damage eyerazia was doing 165 max and the highest flying kick was about 100.

Overall damage needs to be upped, and AC/MR need to scale. Besides that I couldn't see any other problems, detrimental spells should also be tweaked to do an MR check for duration.

If anyone has any other chars they wanna test on let me know and please feel free to critique my research as well as doing your own testing.

The damage is all gayed and not classic. Spell dmg should hit the same on players as well as monsters. Currnetly, on p99, dmg is still limited where you can only do a max of 66% or 75% of the max hps in one hit. So, If you hit a guy with 100 max hps with Ice Comet, it wouild only do like 66 or 75 dmg. They only changed that after Manaburn/Lifeburn. They made you have to get them down a ways in hps before you could one-shot them.

I honestly don't know absolutely for sure how the dmg was for melee. I only played casters on Sullon Zek. I don't remember anyone mentioning about how the melee dmg was different from pvp to pve. I'm positive I would have heard some gripes/complaints if the spell dmg was the same, but melee was less. It almost seems like the nerf to spell dmg was bled into the melee dmg somehow. On p99 the melee dmg seems to be 2/3 to 3/4 of the dmg each hit it should be. Not sure how it was/is on live.

naez
03-30-2011, 09:16 PM
the 40% rule is pretty much needed, even though they only added it in after mana/lifeburns, otherwise ice comets will just 1 shot people gg

mimixownzall
03-30-2011, 09:22 PM
Na, IC has a long cast time and most people who see you cast it can just get out of range before it lands. That was my problem with my mage. The casts times were so high it was difficult to land on people. Wizards are glass cannons. I have no problem with them having a hard hitter like IC.

I had a 57 wizard on SZ, it was difficult to get spells like IC off (enless I was camping the druid portals, which I loved to do) and I got raped pretty hard if I weren't careful.

Harrison
03-30-2011, 09:23 PM
Na, IC has a long cast time and most people who see you cast it can just get out of range before it lands. That was my problem with my mage. The casts times were so high it was difficult to land on people. Wizards are glass cannons. I have no problem with them having a hard hitter like IC.

I had a 57 wizard on SZ, it was difficult to get spells like IC off (enless I was camping the druid portals, which I loved to do) and I got raped pretty hard if I weren't careful.

I expect nothing less from a noobtuber. Did you AE zonelines too?

Littlegyno
03-30-2011, 09:23 PM
I expect nothing less from a noobtuber. Did you AE zonelines too?

Viable PVP tactic. Don't be hating.

Harrison
03-30-2011, 09:25 PM
Viable PVP tactic. Don't be hating.

Exploiting ancient mechanics is not a tactic. Killing people before their screen loads is not a tactic, it's being a piece of shit with no skill. (Hence why he noobtubes in FPS, generally accepted as a joke amongst the FPS competitive community.)

Salty
03-30-2011, 09:29 PM
That's why you plug right as the zone loads, run forward, then plug your shit back in.

ezpz

Aerist
03-30-2011, 09:29 PM
Exploiting ancient mechanics is not a tactic. Killing people before their screen loads is not a tactic, it's being a piece of shit with no skill. (Hence why he noobtubes in FPS, generally accepted as a joke amongst the FPS competitive community.)

I try not to entice the bloobies, but Harrison if you did play on VZTZ or any old school EQ, you know that zone control was pretty much the consistent tactic in all major PVP battles. Ancient Mechanics? Maybe. Viable PVP Strategy that was used 10+ years ago? Definately.

Harrison
03-30-2011, 09:29 PM
That's why you plug right as the zone loads, run forward, then plug your shit back in.

ezpz

Lol that's how people got to PoM in NTOV

Salty
03-30-2011, 09:31 PM
Lol that's how people got to PoM in NTOV

also how you not get your ass anded to you by 16 people camping a zone line.

naez
03-30-2011, 09:32 PM
That's why you plug right as the zone loads, run forward, then plug your shit back in.

ezpz

hey so im not the only one who does that every time i zone!

Salty
03-30-2011, 09:33 PM
black knight

Kazowi
03-30-2011, 09:34 PM
I expect nothing less from a noobtuber. Did you AE zonelines too?

hey fuck ass, fuck off. we are having a legit discussion now

Kazowi
03-30-2011, 09:35 PM
OK after logging on a 50 monk and testing some stuff with another 50 rogue and necromancer, i have come to the conclusion that AC and MR need to be scaled. There was no difference in paralyzing earth landing on 45 mr as there was on 90mr. Also saw no difference in physical attacks on 400ac and 900ac. Backstabs and flying kick seemed to be on par, a 10 damage eyerazia was doing 165 max and the highest flying kick was about 100.

Overall damage needs to be upped, and AC/MR need to scale. Besides that I couldn't see any other problems, detrimental spells should also be tweaked to do an MR check for duration.

If anyone has any other chars they wanna test on let me know and please feel free to critique my research as well as doing your own testing.

Aerist
03-30-2011, 09:36 PM
hey fuck ass, fuck off. we are having a legit discussion now

Rexx,

did you test the levitate issue at all with casters?

Harrison
03-30-2011, 09:36 PM
Also an exploit, but that's how you guys roll and everyone knows it. That's just more proof of such.

Kazowi
03-30-2011, 09:37 PM
Rexx,

did you test the levitate issue at all with casters?

shit, no i didnt. good point. but i bet the z axis is hittable from any amount of space above or below. can you attack mobs from way above while levitated? if so it should most likely work in pvp like that

Kazowi
03-30-2011, 09:38 PM
Also an exploit, but that's how you guys roll and everyone knows it. That's just more proof of such.

its not really an exploit, i mean its almost the same as auto attacking someone as they are sitting at the zone in before they are fully in control. Zoning into pvp and preparing for people zoning into you is an important part of the fight, i guess you think ae stunning a zoneline or call of hero in pvp is an exploit too

Aerist
03-30-2011, 09:39 PM
shit, no i didnt. good point. but i bet the z axis is hittable from any amount of space above or below. can you attack mobs from way above while levitated? if so it should most likely work in pvp like that

Yeah I'm not exactly sure, I remember on live VZ levitating to avoid getting melee'd though.

Also, someone needs to test pushback and such.

Walk
03-30-2011, 09:39 PM
OK after logging on a 50 monk and testing some stuff with another 50 rogue and necromancer, i have come to the conclusion that AC and MR need to be scaled. There was no difference in paralyzing earth landing on 45 mr as there was on 90mr. Also saw no difference in physical attacks on 400ac and 900ac. Backstabs and flying kick seemed to be on par, a 10 damage eyerazia was doing 165 max and the highest flying kick was about 100.

Overall damage needs to be upped, and AC/MR need to scale. Besides that I couldn't see any other problems, detrimental spells should also be tweaked to do an MR check for duration.

If anyone has any other chars they wanna test on let me know and please feel free to critique my research as well as doing your own testing.

A+

Salty
03-30-2011, 09:39 PM
The zone line fights are crucial

Kazowi
03-30-2011, 09:40 PM
Yeah I'm not exactly sure, I remember on live VZ levitating to avoid getting melee'd though.

Also, someone needs to test pushback and such.

yeah, again if we had a test server where we could instantly have some gm access or instant level 50s all this could be tested. I had a guy loan me a 50 monk while he logged on a 50 rogue and necro, limiting my potential research

Aerist
03-30-2011, 09:40 PM
Someone also needs to check counters for poison an disease. Really would be shitty to have dots with only 1 counter

Aerist
03-30-2011, 09:41 PM
Well hopefully once Rogean has Kunark all polished he can release us a beta red 99 box so we can start testing. I think his greatest asset to making this a reality is the group of people willing to do all the testing

Kazowi
03-30-2011, 09:42 PM
man we really need a pvp forum, this posting in RNF is gay and unorganized

Harrison
03-30-2011, 09:45 PM
its not really an exploit, i mean its almost the same as auto attacking someone as they are sitting at the zone in before they are fully in control. Zoning into pvp and preparing for people zoning into you is an important part of the fight, i guess you think ae stunning a zoneline or call of hero in pvp is an exploit too

Talking about the plugging and unplugging. That is exploiting.

Kazowi
03-30-2011, 09:47 PM
Talking about the plugging and unplugging. That is exploiting.

i guess so, its called ghosting. can happen without even intentionally doing it if you lag. Something like that is near impossible to detect or prevent, in pvp though it doesnt help you because your character basically sits there moving in one direction until you plug back in. Using it to skip across a zone may be an exploit but you can only do it for so long on the emu before you just get DC

Harrison
03-30-2011, 09:49 PM
i guess so, its called ghosting. can happen without even intentionally doing it if you lag. Something like that is near impossible to detect or prevent, in pvp though it doesnt help you because your character basically sits there moving in one direction until you plug back in. Using it to skip across a zone may be an exploit but you can only do it for so long on the emu before you just get DC

I know how it works lol

naez
03-30-2011, 09:50 PM
i have ghosted on crs on more than 1 occassion

Salty
03-30-2011, 09:51 PM
no easy YT for harrison

Littlegyno
03-30-2011, 09:52 PM
I just don't understand Harrison.

Tactics such as controlling zoneline and plugging have been part of EQ since it was released. It's still part of EQ on Zek.

Either you are mentally handicapped Harrison, or you're the biggest troll here.

mimixownzall
03-30-2011, 09:53 PM
I expect nothing less from a noobtuber. Did you AE zonelines too?

PVP is war. You either live or die. I choose to live, so I use whatever is most effective. You can go ahead and bring a knife to a gunfight, but I will bring a tank, cause I prefer to win.

Salty
03-30-2011, 09:55 PM
m3A3 Bradley dawg

Harrison
03-30-2011, 09:59 PM
I just don't understand Harrison.

Tactics such as controlling zoneline and plugging have been part of EQ since it was released. It's still part of EQ on Zek.

Either you are mentally handicapped Harrison, or you're the biggest troll here.

Tactics such as exploiting. Stop candycoating your faggotry.

You exploit. You just admitted to it. Unplugging your ethernet intentionally to gain an advantage you wouldn't normally have, AKA exploiting.

mimixownzall
03-30-2011, 09:59 PM
(Hence why he noobtubes in FPS, generally accepted as a joke amongst the FPS competitive community.)


By "amongst the FPS competitive community" he means a very small percentage of people who get raped by effective means and therefor calls it 'gay'.

My best kill/death ratio is actually by the combat medic. You know, what you claimed to be IRL before you got called out for delusions of grandeur.

Salty
03-30-2011, 10:01 PM
he is against buffing too

Littlegyno
03-30-2011, 10:02 PM
Tactics such as exploiting. Stop candycoating your faggotry.

You exploit. You just admitted to it. Unplugging your ethernet intentionally to gain an advantage you wouldn't normally have, AKA exploiting.

Nope. Obviously Sony has known about plugging for past 12 years. Never patched.

Working as intended. It must be nice to ride so high for some Army dropout.

Walk
03-30-2011, 10:05 PM
its not really an exploit, i mean its almost the same as auto attacking someone as they are sitting at the zone in before they are fully in control. Zoning into pvp and preparing for people zoning into you is an important part of the fight, i guess you think ae stunning a zoneline or call of hero in pvp is an exploit too

i know on zek they made it so when u zone u are like da until u are finished loading, i think they did something similar on vztz were names were blue when they poped at the zone-in? feel free to correct me if im wrong

Walk
03-30-2011, 10:06 PM
personally i feel if u are close enough to the target ring for melee attacks you should be able to hit them no matter how high above or below u they are

mimixownzall
03-30-2011, 10:07 PM
personally i feel if u are close enough to the target ring for melee attacks you should be able to hit them no matter how high above or below u they are


Agreed.

Harrison
03-30-2011, 10:08 PM
By "amongst the FPS competitive community" he means a very small percentage of people who get raped by effective means and therefor calls it 'gay'.

My best kill/death ratio is actually by the combat medic. You know, what you claimed to be IRL before you got called out for delusions of grandeur.

lol now you're better than the pros? :rolleyes:

naez
03-30-2011, 10:08 PM
i know on zek they made it so when u zone u are like da until u are finished loading, i think they did something similar on vztz were names were blue when they poped at the zone-in? feel free to correct me if im wrong

tru

Walk
03-30-2011, 10:11 PM
lol now you're better than the pros? :rolleyes:

its time to get serious bro, enough with the shenanigens for now there will be plenty of time for that when red99 is released until then lets try and keep it civil and productive please

mimixownzall
03-30-2011, 10:12 PM
lol now you're better than the pros? :rolleyes:


No, but I've played against those top clans and gotten my ass handed to me by sniping carl gustav's and gren launcher spam. I didn't cry and call them noobs, though, cause it was clearly effective.

mimixownzall
03-30-2011, 10:14 PM
I do like how you totally ignored the combat medic part, though.

Harrison
03-30-2011, 10:22 PM
I do like how you totally ignored the combat medic part, though.

Trust me, I don't take offense from people who never enlisted, much less people who have NO idea wtf they're talking about in my situation with MY enlistment.

Littlegyno
03-30-2011, 10:23 PM
Trust me, I don't take offense from people who never enlisted, much less people who have NO idea wtf they're talking about in my situation with MY enlistment.

How'd you even get kicked out dog? I've been in 7 years and I'm fucking porn stars and driving sports cars everyday.

Gnar
03-30-2011, 10:24 PM
... much less people who have NO idea wtf they're talking about in my situation with MY enlistment.

He mad

naez
03-30-2011, 10:25 PM
they found some drugs in a bathroom at the base today, C.O. going to random drug test 100% of everyone tomorrow

Salty
03-30-2011, 10:25 PM
How'd you even get kicked out dog? I've been in 7 years and I'm fucking porn stars and driving sports cars everyday.

Nurse Gyno saves lives irl

naez
03-30-2011, 10:25 PM
including the civvies

Harrison
03-30-2011, 10:25 PM
How'd you even get kicked out dog? I've been in 7 years and I'm fucking porn stars and driving sports cars everyday.

They snorting coke off your dick too?

Salty
03-30-2011, 10:26 PM
Harrison goes straight for the gay comments, blatant homosexuality much?

Littlegyno
03-30-2011, 10:27 PM
They snorting coke off your dick too?

No, will give you coke dick bro. I snort it off their dead fucking faces.

I see you were a medic huh? I probably know why you got kicked out. Like every medic I've known, you were probably popping some pills huh?

Salty
03-30-2011, 10:29 PM
No, will give you coke dick bro. I snort it off their dead fucking faces.

I see you were a medic huh? I probably know why you got kicked out. Like every medic I've known, you were probably popping some pills huh?

Nah bro, word on the old school street is he got gay with someone before Obama legalized it.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2355/2454300441_e5ae94ac33.jpg

Salty
03-30-2011, 10:29 PM
So he is getting back in, hence the "it's complicated"

Harrison
03-30-2011, 10:30 PM
Harrison goes straight for the gay comments, blatant homosexuality much?

How is a woman snorting coke off of your dick gay? lmao

Salty
03-30-2011, 10:35 PM
How is a woman snorting coke off of your dick gay? lmao

because you think of men when doing it



~flawless execution

Lazortag
03-30-2011, 10:35 PM
OK after logging on a 50 monk and testing some stuff with another 50 rogue and necromancer, i have come to the conclusion that AC and MR need to be scaled. There was no difference in paralyzing earth landing on 45 mr as there was on 90mr. Also saw no difference in physical attacks on 400ac and 900ac. Backstabs and flying kick seemed to be on par, a 10 damage eyerazia was doing 165 max and the highest flying kick was about 100.

Overall damage needs to be upped, and AC/MR need to scale. Besides that I couldn't see any other problems, detrimental spells should also be tweaked to do an MR check for duration.

If anyone has any other chars they wanna test on let me know and please feel free to critique my research as well as doing your own testing.

This is great! Finally someone's testing pvp. It amazes me how many people have bitched about starting a pvp server without doing the most basic amount of testing and bug reporting. You should compile a list of issues and post them in the bugs forum.

Harrison
03-30-2011, 10:37 PM
If you guys want a shit-free post for testing PVP, use Offtopic. It isn't about this server, but still moderated.

I don't think anyone will object to this.

Alawen Everywhere
03-30-2011, 10:42 PM
This is great! Finally someone's testing pvp. It amazes me how many people have bitched about starting a pvp server without doing the most basic amount of testing and bug reporting. You should compile a list of issues and post them in the bugs forum.

I tested PVP by kicking the shit out of a 50 bard with my 50 druid until he tucked his nuts up inside his abdomen and ran as fast as he could to the nearest zone line.

And I liked it.

Macken
03-30-2011, 10:45 PM
Make sure that melee can't hit casters 20 ft over the melee's head.

Make sure ranger's arrows can't be fired out of their butts nor hit casters 20 feet above them.

Make sure caster's spells can hit melee as long as x,y axis range is met.

All of the above is not only classic, but is still live today.

Live EQ and Classic EQ have never had melees with 10,000 foot sword reach.

Never, uhn uhh. Stop the insanity.

naez
03-30-2011, 10:48 PM
z-axis check of like 10 feet would be pretty easy

Walk
03-30-2011, 10:55 PM
i think if you are in melee range of target ring you should be able to hit them no matter how high above or below you they are, should prolly impliment something so that when you zone you are da until your done loading zek/vztz both had a similar aproach and it workd...i know this was brought up in another thread but i believe it would be more beneficial here

mimixownzall
03-30-2011, 10:58 PM
Trust me, I don't take offense from people who never enlisted, much less people who have NO idea wtf they're talking about in my situation with MY enlistment.

Ambiguity; typical response to tough situations.

Macken
03-30-2011, 11:01 PM
i think if you are in melee range of target ring you should be able to hit them no matter how high above or below you they are, should prolly impliment something so that when you zone you are da until your done loading zek/vztz both had a similar aproach and it workd...i know this was brought up in another thread but i believe it would be more beneficial here

Not Classic, Not live, Not sensical, Not happening.

naez
03-30-2011, 11:01 PM
the melee z-axis thing I'm torn on. I love hiding up in kithicor trees or on freeport walls when I play a caster, but then hate when I can't reach others while playing melee.

Macken
03-30-2011, 11:02 PM
Stop the insanity.

wehrmacht
03-30-2011, 11:04 PM
Hopefully 1 player per IP will solve the problem of the entire Heresy guild dragging macroquest healer bots behind them.

I've played against virtually every mmorpg PvP guild that's existed before, Darkenbane, Covetous Crew, SiN, Hate, Conquest DAoC, Afterlife DAoC, etc, and Heresy was definitely the lowliest of the low.

Darkenbane brings 2 people to attack singe players. Heresy brings 6. Conquest and Afterlife zerg, Heresy recruits until their number is at least 20% higher than anyone else's zerg. Mippo is an annoying forum poster, all of Heresy are annoying forum posters.

This guild is the main cause of the race to the bottom effect on TZVZ and why it failed. If this p1999 server is to succeed, either Heresy has to be kept off or griefed off the server as soon as possible.

- Wehrmacht, Heresy destroyer

naez
03-30-2011, 11:04 PM
I think 10 feet should be more than plenty, so you can hit people when they're on the same "level" as you with levitate, but not when they're up on a wall or whatever.

Macken
03-30-2011, 11:04 PM
the melee z-axis thing I'm torn on. I love hiding up in kithicor trees or on freeport walls when I play a caster, but then hate when I can't reach others while playing melee.

It's part of the eq dynamic, where each class has strengths and weaknesses.

Don't hate on casters. If you want to nerf a caster strength then nerf melee ability to bash, kick, slam, stun, etc...

naez
03-30-2011, 11:05 PM
Especially since you can hit through walls and shit

Harrison
03-30-2011, 11:05 PM
This topic has been inflated, trolled, had made up situations thrown in, etc. for months on end.

I am not going to get into it with some random internet retard over my stating he's terrible at FPS lmao

Bombfist
03-30-2011, 11:05 PM
Holy shit frytard wasn't lying, drama inc.

Foxx
03-30-2011, 11:08 PM
honestly, the Z axis thing is pretty retarded. I have never liked how in so many open zones a caster can just use levitate, and chain cast the shit out of a melee class and the melee have literally nothing he can do to stop it...

melee should be able to hit a caster no matter the Z-axis differance. and this is comming from a career pvp cleric. all i have to do is run off a spire/bridge/tree and cast, then run back, and i will be nearly immune from melee classes

Harrison
03-30-2011, 11:09 PM
honestly, the Z axis thing is pretty retarded. I have never liked how in so many open zones a caster can just use levitate, and chain cast the shit out of a melee class and the melee have literally nothing he can do to stop it...

melee should be able to hit a caster no matter the Z-axis differance. and this is comming from a career pvp cleric. all i have to do is run off a spire/bridge/tree and cast, then run back, and i will be nearly immune from melee classes

Agreed.

naez
03-30-2011, 11:10 PM
target rings not classic ruins my immersion

Foxx
03-30-2011, 11:11 PM
also,

resists should not affect the duration of dots, or how much damage they do... they never did, it only affects if you land the spell or not

Salty
03-30-2011, 11:23 PM
all i have to do is run off a spire/bridge/tree and cast, then run back, and i will be nearly immune from melee classes

this

Xantille
03-30-2011, 11:24 PM
Keep this thread on task bros -- less bickering about what you want to see changed, more beta testing of P99 PvP mechanics.

Rexx's preliminary findings are a good start, and sounds pretty fucking important. Need moar posts like that.










p.s.

There should be no z-axis check on melee -- lest we forget about classic, melees will get dumped on until people get monsoons, haste items, etc. And from what I've read, melee damage is already subpar.

Instituting Z-axis check on melee during classic = a server of all mages (+ 1 cleric to heal), chain-casting lev rings and lavabolting people to shit. No es bueno.

Xantille
03-30-2011, 11:28 PM
Hopefully 1 player per IP will solve the problem of the entire Heresy guild dragging macroquest healer bots behind them.

I've played against virtually every mmorpg PvP guild that's existed before, Darkenbane, Covetous Crew, SiN, Hate, Conquest DAoC, Afterlife DAoC, etc, and Heresy was definitely the lowliest of the low.

Darkenbane brings 2 people to attack singe players. Heresy brings 6. Conquest and Afterlife zerg, Heresy recruits until their number is at least 20% higher than anyone else's zerg. Mippo is an annoying forum poster, all of Heresy are annoying forum posters.

This guild is the main cause of the race to the bottom effect on TZVZ and why it failed. If this p1999 server is to succeed, either Heresy has to be kept off or griefed off the server as soon as possible.

- Wehrmacht, Heresy destroyer

former fish bait member sounds mad

Salty
03-30-2011, 11:29 PM
real upset and too busy re-rolling his char every 2 months.

Salty
03-30-2011, 11:30 PM
still upset about that.

Worst part about that guy, is he never uses his dragon pixels because too busy making a new char.

Hobby
03-30-2011, 11:31 PM
This is quickly becoming the biggest RnF thread...


Hell, i think the other ones were HALF this size. DA Ks's Officially Now? Was a good one...

hm...come to think of it...ALL the IB vs DA vs Trans threads were extremely good reads.

naez
03-30-2011, 11:33 PM
i remember him hyping on in ooc about being best ranger on server or something and the SZ champion then he ragequit before kunark

Bombfist
03-30-2011, 11:35 PM
Z axis is a nobrainer, I've messaged rogean to ask if we could have some sort of test server thrown up where vz/tz lays so we can test the mechanics properly, i'm not sure if that's possible with his current schedule.

The next thing on the list from what rexx already tested would be line of sight casting, all melee damage needs parsing properly, % hit chance, max hit % to lowest hit %.

Current bugs and exploits need listing properly, including zone crashes etc, if you don't want to do it here, do it in a pm, i know for a fact that people in the vz/tz community still know how to crash zones if they want, so pm that shit to a GM so we can remove retarded crap like that from pvp.

Charm/Fear both need looking at, whirl needs to be tested.

Casting interrupts need to be tested.

Can't think of anything else.

Koota
03-30-2011, 11:36 PM
also,

resists should not affect the duration of dots, or how much damage they do... they never did, it only affects if you land the spell or not

Foxx from Zek?

Foxx
03-30-2011, 11:42 PM
Foxx from Zek?

? rallos zek ya

Foxx
03-30-2011, 11:45 PM
Foxx from Zek?

edit, make another thread or PM me if u want, this thread too important to flame with anything...

also, what bombfist said. It is huge that right now, people in the community who know the bugs of the code makes sure the devs/staff know about it now, so it can be adressed. time to be a white knight and shine

also, making sure you can't bolt through walls, and pets / players can't hit other pets and player through walls.

Walk
03-31-2011, 12:01 AM
root/snare should have a mr counter to break everytime it ticks vs the persons mr and have a chance to break from DD nukes, is still like that on zek to this day

Foxx
03-31-2011, 12:02 AM
root/snare should have a mr counter to break everytime it ticks vs the persons mr and have a chance to break from DD nukes, is still like that on zek to this day

I don't believe snare worked that like. I know root did for sure tho

Walk
03-31-2011, 12:04 AM
i could give a fuck less about the z-axis melee range, im rolln a shaman and i plan on using levitate and the enviroment to my advantage whenever possible i just wanted it to be more fair for the melee's

Keegan
03-31-2011, 12:04 AM
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_YVrdRFIVzgs/TJIx4hk6CLI/AAAAAAAADpU/DEGeIExAlZg/i-came-ghostbuster.jpg

I see you and raise you a:

http://i751.photobucket.com/albums/xx160/hofmannjr/i_came_trees_street.jpg

naez
03-31-2011, 12:09 AM
Big Keegan came

Walk
03-31-2011, 12:15 AM
I see you and raise you a:

http://i751.photobucket.com/albums/xx160/hofmannjr/i_came_trees_street.jpg

keegan you should help test the new pvp server you input would b appreciated

Bombfist
03-31-2011, 12:19 AM
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?p=250595#post250595

I've reposted this in offtopic as suggested, so we can try and get some headway, go there and reply to the thread with issues you know of, have tested etc and i'll edit the main post for ease of reading.

Walk
03-31-2011, 12:22 AM
I don't believe snare worked that like. I know root did for sure tho

so your not foxx from zek the female halfling ranger?

naez
03-31-2011, 12:22 AM
I raise you both a

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/2314/icameb.jpg

Walk
03-31-2011, 12:23 AM
i love that video

wehrmacht
03-31-2011, 12:48 AM
i remember him hyping on in ooc about being best ranger on server or something and the SZ champion then he ragequit before kunark

I've never even seen someone named Naez in game before. Anyway, that was frytard spamming that in ooc to make heresys mad after I had already quit playing. PvP wasn't fun anymore so there was no point in playing.


Reasons why TZVZ PvP sucked and wasn't like normal EQ:
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- Root landed on people with a million magic resist which removes all skill from PvP. 30 people get in vent and say "everyone cast root on target X, ok, now everyone melee target X to death as they stand there immobile". I'm sure Rexx thinks that's called "teamwork" but for anyone that actually played EQ live PvP servers, it feels like down syndrome, no skill PvP.

- naked casters tanked as good as warriors.

- I channeled gate on my naked shaman mule with heresy's entire guild meleeing me at least 4 times so any caster that wasn't a retard was virtually immune to dying while all melees were doomed.

- Melee damage nerfed and casters given ability to cast without line of sight

- I won't list mage pets because I think that was eventually fixed after the entire server was composed of mages.

- 2 IP's were allowed so everyone you fought was either dragging a macroquest healer bot behind them or was fully buffed, forcing everyone else to also box a buffbot.

Tons of people would post how these issue made the server suck. Each post was bombed with Heresy responses from people like Lasher saying "no, u r gay, it's much better if all caster spells are usable in pvp".

Occasionally Rexx would side with the anti-down syndrome people on the issue being a heavily biased Ogre warrior but nothing was ever done. Seeing as how they all used macroquest healer bots for PvE and PvP, they didn't want to lose those either.

Basically everything that made that server suck revolved around Heresy somehow.

Keegan
03-31-2011, 12:48 AM
Go big or go home~

Bombfist
03-31-2011, 01:16 AM
Wehrmacht, post your suggestions > http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=31105

if you could, none heresy related, more to do with gameplay if poss.

Salty
03-31-2011, 01:26 AM
I hope to poop on your face big keegan

Salty
03-31-2011, 01:27 AM
One of my goals bro, shootin 3s, no 2s

Lasher
03-31-2011, 01:58 AM
no, u r gay, it's much better if all caster spells are usable in pvp

Abacab "The REAL truth"
03-31-2011, 02:37 AM
Wehrmacht on root


It's a completely invalid point because the classes ranger, shadowknight, and paladin exist. If you root them they can either keep damaging you, heal themselves to nullify your damage, or root you back so you're both standing next to each other perma rooted.

Now you're a caster with 900 hp standing next to a paladin that can heal themselves for total of like 8000hp before dying.

Root does jack shit to help casters, sure you'll get some cheesy kill from it every now and then but you'll die from it just as much if not more. You gain absolutely nothing. Overall all it does is screw the balance up and make hybrids more powerful while nerfing pure melees that did *NOT* need any nerfs against hybrids.

Walk
03-31-2011, 03:00 AM
Wehrmacht on root


It's a completely invalid point because the classes ranger, shadowknight, and paladin exist. If you root them they can either keep damaging you, heal themselves to nullify your damage, or root you back so you're both standing next to each other perma rooted.

Now you're a caster with 900 hp standing next to a paladin that can heal themselves for total of like 8000hp before dying.

Root does jack shit to help casters, sure you'll get some cheesy kill from it every now and then but you'll die from it just as much if not more. You gain absolutely nothing. Overall all it does is screw the balance up and make hybrids more powerful while nerfing pure melees that did *NOT* need any nerfs against hybrids.
murky vial

Walk
03-31-2011, 03:05 AM
i b shootn full court all day long for red team bro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkqWZdqkyEA
gunna do it so big

Walk
03-31-2011, 03:06 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH3HbVZAGAo&feature=related
all day 4 red team

Macken
03-31-2011, 03:24 AM
honestly, the Z axis thing is pretty retarded. I have never liked how in so many open zones a caster can just use levitate, and chain cast the shit out of a melee class and the melee have literally nothing he can do to stop it...

melee should be able to hit a caster no matter the Z-axis differance. and this is comming from a career pvp cleric. all i have to do is run off a spire/bridge/tree and cast, then run back, and i will be nearly immune from melee classes who are too dumb to have levitate.

Actually I agree now that i think about it. Plus get rid of winged death. It's too OP. As an int caster when i get dotted with it, It kills me in one cast. That's like a one shot cast.

Pffft for real.

Now that i think about it 10,000 foot swords aren't retarted and are realistic. Let's not worry that it's never been like that anywhere or anytime on live. Let's not worry about class strengths or weaknesses, we could just merge all classes into one and all play the same thing.

Macken
03-31-2011, 03:32 AM
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p.s.

There should be no z-axis check on melee -- lest we forget about classic, melees will get dumped on until people get monsoons, haste items, etc. And from what I've read, melee damage is already subpar.

Instituting Z-axis check on melee during classic = a server of all mages (+ 1 cleric to heal), chain-casting lev rings and lavabolting people to shit. No es bueno.

Stop trolling Rogean. Everyone knows if you want to be OP make a melee. Stop trying to make it worse. It's not anyone's fault that casting levitate on a melee gets the message...

"your spell would not hold".

Walk
03-31-2011, 03:33 AM
Actually I agree now that i think about it. Plus get rid of winged death. It's too OP. As an int caster when i get dotted with it, It kills me in one cast. That's like a one shot cast.

Pffft for real.

Now that i think about it 10,000 foot swords aren't retarted and are realistic. Let's not worry that it's never been like that anywhere or anytime on live. Let's not worry about class strengths or weaknesses, we could just merge all classes into one and all play the same thing.

pumice>winged death, and what do you know of live zek pvp thats up to date?

Macken
03-31-2011, 03:40 AM
pumice>winged death, and what do you know of live zek pvp thats up to date?

Oh i didn't think of that. Oh and i guess i could just cast levitate on my melee too. Nevermind. I guess there should be a common sense z-axis check after all.

Of course common sense dictates there should be one. It's like that on Zek now. Last month it was like that on Zek. Last year, the year before, the first year of Zek, the first year of RZ,TZ,SZ. The first day of EQ too. Not sure what i was thinking earlier.

No 10,000 foot swords please. k thanks.

Abacab "The REAL truth"
03-31-2011, 03:46 AM
The real issue is pet's keeping pace with jboots, you cannot out run a pet unless you have lv50 sow which should not be the case. They should also be poppable via charm and or bombing the owner of the pet with an invis line spell.

Walk
03-31-2011, 03:48 AM
Oh i didn't think of that. Oh and i guess i could just cast levitate on my melee too. Nevermind. I guess there should be a common sense z-axis check after all.

Of course common sense dictates there should be one. It's like that on Zek now. Last month it was like that on Zek. Last year, the year before, the first year of Zek, the first year of RZ,TZ,SZ. The first day of EQ too. Not sure what i was thinking earlier.

No 10,000 foot swords please. k thanks.

you play zek bro?
http://img697.imageshack.us/i/eq000082.png/
who u play?