End of the rotation?

[toosweet]

The death of the rotation


---------------------Revised proposal after 7 of 10 guilds said no--------------



This is the death of the player made rotation. For those that do not fully understand why these terms were unacceptable: Gorenaire and Talendor are the two hardest encounters outside of VP. To enter "tier 2" you must solo kill Talendor at any time of day which then grants you access to kill Dracoliche, Maestro and Faydedar. To enter "tier 3" (access to every epic in the game) you must solo kill Gorenaire at any time of day which then grants you access to the remaining gods and dragons (all of the loot worth actually going for). What this does is create two impossible entry points for any guilds that wish to join the rotation in the future as well as knocking 7 of the long term rotation member guilds out of contention for Venril Sathir, Innoruuk, Cazic Thule, Trakanon and Severilous. The terms in both proposals are unacceptable to the representatives of the 7 class R guilds who are not BDA, Taken and Divinity.

The reason I have brought this to raid discussion is to eliminate the rampant misinformation that surrounds any big change in this servers politics. Our guilds did not simply decide the rotation would no longer continue, we tried very hard to reason with the other 3 guilds and they simply would not yield as you can see by the second proposal being even more of a joke than the first. These proposals were very clearly designed to force the dissolution of the rotation.

The p99 rotation was player made and has been player dissolved. We had a good run and in my opinion it has been the healthiest time in this servers history.

Is this BDA and Taken deciding to cut the balls off of the other class R guild for more pixels?..say it isn't so!!! of course this would happen, the entitled mind set.

[toosweet]

Will this mean everything going back to FFA, the way it should be?

[Detoxx]

Wow, I didnt see it coming guys. Seriously. BDA and Taken stand for something! They would never do this, there must be some sort of mix up. Oh wait, they are the same as the "neckbeards" they claim to hate.

No big deal though, theyre the good guys!

[zanderklocke]

Welcome to Class R!

http://i.imgur.com/5D9gK6P.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6wRkzCW5qI

[Pokesan]

awesome news

[toosweet]

Push taken bda and divinity to class C, they want more?
Go take it from class scummy guilds

[Eponymous Anonymous]

Is this BDA and Taken deciding to cut the balls off of the other class R guild for more pixels?..say it isn't so!!! of course this would happen, the entitled mind set.

I'm not sure you actually understand which party was really the one with the "entitled mindset" on the FAP forums. Keep spreading your misguided opinions though, that's what keeps RnF healthy!

[Blaza]

You can't kill Talendor or Gorenaire?

I understand Gorenaire can be tricky depending upon the numbers, but Talendor? Really?

[Ezalor]

Somebody explain it like I'm 5 cause I'm not reading anything more than a few sentences.

[Oleris]

backdoor politics of less than 1% determining what will happen to 70% of the player base. Gotta love it. If this is the end of the rotation I might come back before velious.

[Blaza]

OP Anonymous, could just be talking out the side of his neck.

[Raev]

Blaza, don't you think that asking new guilds like Moonlight Crusaders to kill Talendor at 3AM before they can attempt Maestro or Draco is a bit much?

[jettle]

A-Team single killed its last talendor. I just want to throw that out there

[Raev]

Pint, why did you throw away a perfectly good troll account? Now I'm gonna go back and read toosweet's history.

[Faron]

the fact that a bunch of nerds got together and crafted a legal document about a fucking video game... jesus christ

[yeaboykk]

If Taken and BDA want more mobs and competition, why don't they just go to Class C?
Am I missing something?

[Ele]

the fact that a bunch of nerds got together and crafted a legal document about a fucking video game... jesus christ

3 young lawyers drafted the original ragefire agreement

[Oleris]

Class R worked when the que wasn't a mile long. With sirken's policy that he wasn't going to allow the leaders of the R system vote who gets in the rotation this was inevitable. Every guild has to look out for their own self interest and forcing smaller/less competitive guilds to prove themselves was the right thing to do. The "pixel wall" has fallen. Will guilds merge, disband? This is the most exciting time in p1999.


http://i.imgur.com/nDMsaSl.jpg?1

[Blaza]

Blaza, don't you think that asking new guilds like Moonlight Crusaders to kill Talendor at 3AM before they can attempt Maestro or Draco is a bit much?

3am is a worse case scenario...my understanding is if smaller guilds cannot kill the tier entry mobs they can team up and kill them, thought that team rotates through all mobs. You can't team up for the hard ones then go solo (normally with assistance from other people) for the loot pinatas.

[loramin]

backdoor politics of less than 1% determining what will happen to 70% of the player base.

Raiders make up something like 20% or less of the population, so no 1% won't be determining anything for 70% of the player base :p

[RaefLaFrenz]

If Taken and BDA want more mobs and competition, why don't they just go to Class C?
Am I missing something?

you are a moron.

the end.

[Ele]

Class R worked when the que wasn't a mile long. With sirken's policy that he wasn't going to allow the leaders of the R system vote who gets in the rotation this was inevitable. Every guild has to look out for their own self interest and forcing smaller/less competitive guilds to prove themselves was the right thing to do. The "pixel wall" has fallen. Will guilds merge, disband? This is the most exciting time in p1999.

Same thing happened on Prexus back in the day.

Venril Sathir rotation got up to 14 guilds long. Trakanon was something like 10 or 12 guilds. To get your attempt to join the rotation you would have to wait a whole cycle.

Then KTF woke the sleeper.

[Blaza]

Rotation over thread also in Raid Discussion.

[wycca]

The larger guilds (BDA, Taken, Divinity) were unhappy the smaller guilds were getting the choicest loot that their members deserved.

If you were ever on the FAP forums for any amount of time you'd know that this was Taken & Divinity's constant proposal over the last year. BDA finally joined the crew after Sirken took away the threat of being moved to C and showed them how they can have their cake and eat it to (moving back easily).

So yes, pixel lust now rules the 3 largest guilds in Class R, and they wanted to bully the smaller guilds into accepting 2nd class status. They wanted their protected Class R garden, with as many pixels as possible. I'm glad the smaller guilds said no and exposed the hypocrisy of Chest and Drakakade (to be fair Taken never made any nobility or fairness claims).

I find it amusing that these guys want to be the big fish in the small pond and try to rig it so there is the most pixels for themselves without competition (or else we'll just take it all right? That was this ultimatum - Soviet Russia style). Think you'll be surprised by the 7 guilds who said no, can't wait to see the tears.

In the meantime, I'm waiting for the PR machines to try to explain away their pixel lust and shit sandwich.

[Funkutron5000]

I thought the rotation was all about opening all the content to anyone that wanted to see it. Now it sounds like the bigger guilds think that because they can react around the clock and faster that they deserve more and better loot than the smaller guilds. Put in more effort = get more loot. This line of thinking sounds familiar. Welcome to Class C BDA, Taken, and Divinity!

[Aadill]

So is this Class R 1 and Class R 2?

[HethGnome]

Just for consideration, one of the major problems with the rotation as it stood before is that guilds that couldn't kill a mob were still occupying a solo spot in the rotation, and then teaming up with one or two other guilds and downing the mob.

So guild A is up for Trak, they can't kill the mob themselves, so they team up with guild B and guild C. Instead of sharing the loot and considering themselves one raid entity, guild A gets their own mob and guild B and guild C keep their own solo spots in the rotation.

Of course the guilds that are killing everything themselves are going to get frustrated at some point.

[Lune]

I thought the rotation was all about opening all the content to anyone that wanted to see it. Now it sounds like the bigger guilds think that because they can react around the clock and faster that they deserve more and better loot than the smaller guilds. Put in more effort = get more loot. This line of thinking sounds familiar. Welcome to Class C BDA, Taken, and Divinity!

this

[HethGnome]

The larger guilds (BDA, Taken, Divinity) were unhappy the smaller guilds were getting the choicest loot that their members deserved.

If you were ever on the FAP forums for any amount of time you'd know that this was Taken & Divinity's constant proposal over the last year. BDA finally joined the crew after Sirken took away the threat of being moved to C and showed them how they can have their cake and eat it to (moving back easily).

So yes, pixel lust now rules the 3 largest guilds in Class R, and they wanted to bully the smaller guilds into accepting 2nd class status. They wanted their protected Class R garden, with as many pixels as possible. I'm glad the smaller guilds said no and exposed the hypocrisy of Chest and Drakakade (to be fair Taken never made any nobility or fairness claims).

I find it amusing that these guys want to be the big fish in the small pond and try to rig it so there is the most pixels for themselves without competition (or else we'll just take it all right? That was this ultimatum - Soviet Russia style). Think you'll be surprised by the 7 guilds who said no, can't wait to see the tears.

In the meantime, I'm waiting for the PR machines to try to explain away their pixel lust and shit sandwich.
You want loot from mobs you can't kill, what is that if not greed?

[Blaza]

I still don't understand why guilds team up for some mobs / get assistance from outside guilds...

smaller guilds are teaming up for Gorenaire (hard and not really worth it loot-wise) then having solo slots for easier, more lootastic mobs (often asking for help from another guild, who also has their own slot).

The easiest solution for smaller guilds on this proposal would just be to team up, which already happens.....they just wish to selectively team up for some mobs, this would force them to be a team on all mobs.

Honestly I have hated the rotation since day 1...made everyone lazy.

[Raev]

Here is what I don't understand: BDA, unlike Taken, has sufficient VP keys to compete in Class C, yet they have no interest in doing so. When they entered C a month ago, Chest was talking about "getting back to R as soon as possible". When this proposal first hit the FAP forum, it was immediately suggested to them that they could do some FFA targets. Sanluen wrote a long post about how FFA was too hard for them with its huge "barrier to entry".

My question is, how do you guys resolve this "we can't compete for FFA targets" with your plan to go FFA within R? Now maybe if you had done this a year ago, it would have worked. But the other R guilds have too much experience with the encounters now. I would take 25 AT over 50 BDA any day of the week and twice on Sundays. So I suspect that after 2 months BDA is begging for the rotation to resume.

Regardless it's going to make for good RNF. Time to get our popcorn out!

[Blaza]

Here is what I don't understand: BDA, unlike Taken, has sufficient VP keys to compete in Class C, yet they have no interest in doing so. When they entered C a month ago, Chest was talking about "getting back to R as soon as possible". When this proposal first hit the FAP forum, it was immediately suggested to them that they could do some FFA targets. Sanluen wrote a long post about how FFA was too hard for them with its huge "barrier to entry".

My question is, how do you guys resolve this "we can't compete for FFA targets" with your plan to go FFA within R? Now maybe if you had done this a year ago, it would have worked. But the other R guilds have too much experience with the encounters now. I would take 25 AT over 50 BDA any day of the week and twice on Sundays. So I suspect that after 2 months BDA is begging for the rotation to resume.

Regardless it's going to make for good RNF. Time to get our popcorn out!

At least shit will be fun again. That, and with the lockout rules one guild could only take 1/3 mobs anyhow.

Hopefully in 2 months Velious will be out and it will all be academic.

[Cecily]

Welcome to Class C BDA, Taken, and Divinity!

http://i.imgur.com/H5U6I2l.jpg

[Blaza]

Just for consideration, one of the major problems with the rotation as it stood before is that guilds that couldn't kill a mob were still occupying a solo spot in the rotation, and then teaming up with one or two other guilds and downing the mob.

So guild A is up for Trak, they can't kill the mob themselves, so they team up with guild B and guild C. Instead of sharing the loot and considering themselves one raid entity, guild A gets their own mob and guild B and guild C keep their own solo spots in the rotation.

Of course the guilds that are killing everything themselves are going to get frustrated at some point.

This.

[kaev]

The larger guilds (BDA, Taken, Divinity) were unhappy the smaller guilds were getting the choicest loot that their members deserved.

If you were ever on the FAP forums for any amount of time you'd know that this was Taken & Divinity's constant proposal over the last year. BDA finally joined the crew after Sirken took away the threat of being moved to C and showed them how they can have their cake and eat it to (moving back easily).

So yes, pixel lust now rules the 3 largest guilds in Class R, and they wanted to bully the smaller guilds into accepting 2nd class status. They wanted their protected Class R garden, with as many pixels as possible. I'm glad the smaller guilds said no and exposed the hypocrisy of Chest and Drakakade (to be fair Taken never made any nobility or fairness claims).

I find it amusing that these guys want to be the big fish in the small pond and try to rig it so there is the most pixels for themselves without competition (or else we'll just take it all right? That was this ultimatum - Soviet Russia style). Think you'll be surprised by the 7 guilds who said no, can't wait to see the tears.

In the meantime, I'm waiting for the PR machines to try to explain away their pixel lust and shit sandwich.

Serious miscasting of shit going on in that post. How about the "pixel lust" of small guilds riding the coattails of larger guilds so that they can distribute pixels from easier & more desirable targets amongst a smaller pool than if they were in a guild capable of actually doing all the content?

You want the loots? Man up and form a large enough force to actually kill the tough mobs and (here's the key part:) then share the "loot pinata" pixels amongst all of the players required to actually earn your place at the table.

The greed and the abuse here are coming 99% from the smaller guilds crying because they want guaranteed pixels at the expense of the players in the larger guilds.

[zanderklocke]

I think the only mob that was really an issue for any guild currently established in the Rotation was Gorenaire.

Every guild had killed all other targets individually, so the proposal was designed to make Gorenaire the mob you had to kill before you could access any mobs that dropped epics. This essentially removed the bottleneck of waiting for guilds on easy mobs like VS that have good loot.

It was suggested that the tiers should be based on mob difficulty rather than their loot, but that didn't fly.

[Aadill]

So BDA and Taken to Class C for competitive FFA and the rest of the guilds continue on Class R Rotation, yes?

[Blaza]

I would take 25 AT over 50 BDA any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

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Depends which BDA and which ATeam.

[Anichek]

Here is what I don't understand: BDA, unlike Taken, has sufficient VP keys to compete in Class C, yet they have no interest in doing so. When they entered C a month ago, Chest was talking about "getting back to R as soon as possible". When this proposal first hit the FAP forum, it was immediately suggested to them that they could do some FFA targets. Sanluen wrote a long post about how FFA was too hard for them with its huge "barrier to entry".

My question is, how do you guys resolve this "we can't compete for FFA targets" with your plan to go FFA within R? Now maybe if you had done this a year ago, it would have worked. But the other R guilds have too much experience with the encounters now. I would take 25 AT over 50 BDA any day of the week and twice on Sundays. So I suspect that after 2 months BDA is begging for the rotation to resume.

Regardless it's going to make for good RNF. Time to get our popcorn out!

BDA doesn't have sufficient VP keys to compete in Class C.....we likely don't even have the most VP keys in Class R, if you are only counting active players.

I've eaten too much popcorn already - can I switch to Reese's Pieces?

[kaev]

Here is what I don't understand: BDA, unlike Taken, has sufficient VP keys to compete in Class C, yet they have no interest in doing so.

You know better than that man, that's pure troll. Class C is not about having VP keys, it's about centering your life around elf-simulator pixels. BDA isn't going to do that any more than A-Team is and you know it.

[zanderklocke]

As I said before in the FAP forums:

"All I know is, when The Undertaker kidnapped Stephanie, he crossed a line. He may have a beef with me Zanderr, or Triple H, or Vince McMahon even, and that is fair game, but to bring Stephanie into this, when she had ZERO to do with ANYTHING AT ALL with the controversy over last week's grudge match between him and me, he has CROSSED A LINE."

[Raev]

See, this is what I mean. You guys killed Hoshkar during IB/TMO's suspension. I'm sure that was the best possible circumstances, but still: PD is about a million times easier than Hoshkar. During the open beta raids we were trying stuff with 15.

Again: your guild was abused so badly by Zeelot's TMO that you do not want to compete. Your primary goal in these negotiations has been to go FFA and inflict some of that abuse on the smaller guilds. What are you going to do when you fail there too? My guess is AT picks up a few of BDA's better/more sane players.

[khanable]

hay guys whats going on in this thread

[Aadill]

FFA in Class C
FFA in Class R
FFA in FFA

[Ele]

As I said before in the FAP forums:

"All I know is, when The Undertaker kidnapped Stephanie, he crossed a line. He may have a beef with me Zanderr, or Triple H, or Vince McMahon even, and that is fair game, but to bring Stephanie into this, when she had ZERO to do with ANYTHING AT ALL with the controversy over last week's grudge match between him and me, he has CROSSED A LINE."

best post in this thread

[wycca]

Serious miscasting of shit going on in that post. How about the "pixel lust" of small guilds riding the coattails of larger guilds so that they can distribute pixels from easier & more desirable targets amongst a smaller pool than if they were in a guild capable of actually doing all the content?

You want the loots? Man up and form a large enough force to actually kill the tough mobs and (here's the key part:) then share the "loot pinata" pixels amongst all of the players required to actually earn your place at the table.

The greed and the abuse here are coming 99% from the smaller guilds crying because they want guaranteed pixels at the expense of the players in the larger guilds.

So this is what the PR machine is going to say?

Let's be 100% clear here. You make the gatekeeper to the juiciest tier the 2nd hardest mob in the game, require 24hr kills of it within 1hr, and in order to get in, you have to kill a FFA version of it - not a class R version.

Really?

No, you created a protected pixel wall designed to keep the small guilds from killing VS (which can be done with 2 groups), Inny (3 groups), etc etc.

This isn't some - "they're abusing the system" proposal (and they weren't, they signed up jointly for mobs they couldn't solo kill, alliances were for an 8hr period overnight), it's 100% about protecting the best pixels in the game from competition and trying to secure them for BDA/Taken/Divinity without having to share.

Don't spew some noble bullshit when it's quite clear that this was some Machivaellian proposal designed to benefit BDA/Taken/Divinity and protect their pixel welfare.

[Blaza]

So this is what the PR machine is going to say?

Let's be 100% clear here. You make the gatekeeper to the juiciest tier the 2nd hardest mob in the game, require 24hr kills of it within 1hr, and in order to get in, you have to kill a FFA version of it - not a class R version.

Really?

No, you created a protected pixel wall designed to keep the small guilds from killing VS (which can be done with 2 groups), Inny (3 groups), etc etc.

This isn't some - "they're abusing the system" proposal (and they weren't, they signed up jointly for mobs they couldn't solo kill, alliances were for an 8hr period overnight), it's 100% about protecting the best pixels in the game from competition and trying to secure them for BDA/Taken/Divinity without having to share.

Don't spew some noble bullshit when it's quite clear that this was some Machivaellian proposal designed to benefit BDA/Taken/Divinity and protect their pixel welfare.

Its an R Gorenaire.

[MaksimMazor]

lol

[arsenalpow]

Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.

[wycca]

Its an R Gorenaire.

OMG, this makes it so much more acceptable! :rolleyes:

In order to kill a 2-groupable mob, you still have to kill Gore. Nobody with half a brain would think this isn't about pixels with that rule.

[w1zard]

the fact that a bunch of nerds got together and crafted a legal document about a fucking video game... jesus christ

I know, it's mind blowing ain't it?

[kurtis]

Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.

So are you finally gonna quit when everything goes back to FFA and TMO/IB go back to killing every mob?

[pewpewmachew]

Originally Posted by wycca View Post
So this is what the PR machine is going to say?

Let's be 100% clear here. You make the gatekeeper to the juiciest tier the 2nd hardest mob in the game, require 24hr kills of it within 1hr, and in order to get in, you have to kill a FFA version of it - not a class R version.

Really?

No, you created a protected pixel wall designed to keep the small guilds from killing VS (which can be done with 2 groups), Inny (3 groups), etc etc.

This isn't some - "they're abusing the system" proposal (and they weren't, they signed up jointly for mobs they couldn't solo kill, alliances were for an 8hr period overnight), it's 100% about protecting the best pixels in the game from competition and trying to secure them for BDA/Taken/Divinity without having to share.

Don't spew some noble bullshit when it's quite clear that this was some Machivaellian proposal designed to benefit BDA/Taken/Divinity and protect their pixel welfare.
Its an R Gorenaire.

Yes an R gore so the 3 big dogs just so conveniently don't have to kill gore anymore at odd hours. Here guys, you can take my turn I don't mind.

[Detoxx]

Can we just go back to the way it was please?

[pewpewmachew]

Originally Posted by wycca View Post
So this is what the PR machine is going to say?

Let's be 100% clear here. You make the gatekeeper to the juiciest tier the 2nd hardest mob in the game, require 24hr kills of it within 1hr, and in order to get in, you have to kill a FFA version of it - not a class R version.

Really?

No, you created a protected pixel wall designed to keep the small guilds from killing VS (which can be done with 2 groups), Inny (3 groups), etc etc.

This isn't some - "they're abusing the system" proposal (and they weren't, they signed up jointly for mobs they couldn't solo kill, alliances were for an 8hr period overnight), it's 100% about protecting the best pixels in the game from competition and trying to secure them for BDA/Taken/Divinity without having to share.

Don't spew some noble bullshit when it's quite clear that this was some Machivaellian proposal designed to benefit BDA/Taken/Divinity and protect their pixel welfare.
Its an R Gorenaire.

Yes its an R gore so that the 3 big dogs don't have to do it themselves. Sure guys kill my gore, I don't mind.

[Absolution]

End of Rotation ? Best eq news since the wipe of TMO on Talendor !

[Fanguru]

v2 of the proposal is pretty good, just need to negotiate the tiers and their gatekeeper.

[Detoxx]

End of Rotation ? Best eq news since the wipe of TMO on Talendor !

In pops gagged IB troll anon #1, whos next? Step up, dont be shy!

[Raev]

No, you created a protected pixel wall designed to keep the small guilds from killing VS (which can be done with 2 groups), Inny (3 groups), etc etc.

And those tiers are just so so so bad. Like if we are honest with ourselves, difficulty goes something like this:

Tier 1: Maestro -> Draco -> Faydedar ->
Tier 3: VS -> Innoruuk -> CT ->
Tier 4: Severilous -> Trakanon -> Talendor -> Gorenaire

Hey, that looks kinda reasonable actually.

BDA also had the option of just saying "hey, we don't like alliances. If you can't sign up solo, you can't sign up for Gorenaire." No one would have cared about missing Gorenaire's shitty loot table every 3 months. Their whole goal was to write a proposal so ridiculous that we would reject it, and then they could try and convince their members everyone was against them.

[Raev]

and god i can't count

[Phantasm]

How about we just remove C/R and play FFA games so we can all just complain about TMO/IB instead of Class R disputes

[Funkutron5000]

I really wish I had invested in Orville Redenbacher before this thread was made.

[Absolution]

In pops gagged IB troll anon #1, whos next? Step up, dont be shy!

Detoxx so easy to aggro ! No fun :(

Congratulations about Hoshkar anyway ! hope this lonely dragon will be enough to feed your zerglings members !

[Raev]

It's been kind of boring TBH, I'm fairly sure that's because Chest is gagging BDA out of fear that when they open their mouths they'll look like morons after all the crap he's spouted about playstyle over the past year

[wycca]

v2 of the proposal is pretty good, just need to negotiate the tiers and their gatekeeper.

I'm sure the 7 guilds didn't think to try that first.

[zanderklocke]

One thing sort of annoying was that if A-Team decided we wanted to stop doing alliances and do Gore on our own, we'd have to start at the bottom of the Tier 1 Rotation and do every mob there before a chance at Gore just to get in T2 even though we've kille every T2 mob except Gore solo. Europa calculated it would tak 36 weeks or something ridiculous before we could go to Gore to try out for T2.

[kaev]

I'm sure the 7 guilds didn't think to try that first.

I'll bet you think you're being sarcastic

[Pint]

Pint, why did you throw away a perfectly good troll account? Now I'm gonna go back and read toosweet's history.

I do not own a troll account, I exclusively post under my own name bc I am not a coward.

[TMO so immersed]

Lets get one thing clear.... The Creation of Class R has nothing to do with a player made Rotation

- It locks out guilds that have killed a mob for 2 spawns (hard coded into the server)
- BDA/Taken/Divinity have been more than willing to work with smaller guilds and have been generous to allow guilds that have no business signing up for mobs they do not intend to kill by themselves.
- No one wants to join Class C because you have losers like Detox poopsocking around the clock to kill Dracolich

[Anichek]

One thing sort of annoying was that if A-Team decided we wanted to stop doing alliances and do Gore on our own, we'd have to start at the bottom of the Tier 1 Rotation and do every mob there before a chance at Gore just to get in T2 even though we've kille every T2 mob except Gore solo. Europa calculated it would tak 36 weeks or something ridiculous before we could go to Gore to try out for T2.

Actually nobody asked for definition on this and there is a clause in there for obvious exceptions.

70% of the proposal was built to guide brand new guilds through entry....and nobody cared to really ask for clarification (except Nemce- thanks for keeping communication classy, Nemce) as to your example.

[Estolcles]

As I said before in the FAP forums:

"All I know is, when The Undertaker kidnapped Stephanie, he crossed a line. He may have a beef with me Zanderr, or Triple H, or Vince McMahon even, and that is fair game, but to bring Stephanie into this, when she had ZERO to do with ANYTHING AT ALL with the controversy over last week's grudge match between him and me, he has CROSSED A LINE."

http://www.memegene.net/media/created/9fh06x.jpg

[kurtis]

Lets get one thing clear.... The Creation of Class R has nothing to do with a player made Rotation

- It locks out guilds that have killed a mob for 2 spawns (hard coded into the server)
- BDA/Taken/Divinity have been more than willing to work with smaller guilds and have been generous to allow guilds that have no business signing up for mobs they do not intend to kill by themselves.
- No one wants to join Class C because you have losers like Detox poopsocking around the clock to kill Dracolich

The biggest poopsocking guild on p99 is a class R guild.

Try again.

[Pint]

Actually nobody asked for definition on this and there is a clause in there for obvious exceptions.

70% of the proposal was built to guide brand new guilds through entry....and nobody cared to really ask for clarification (except Nemce- thanks for keeping communication classy, Nemce) as to your example.

which of the brand new guilds is moving from naggy and vox to talendor you clown.

[Juevento]

It's been kind of boring TBH, I'm fairly sure that's because Chest is gagging BDA out of fear that when they open their mouths they'll look like morons after all the crap he's spouted about playstyle over the past year

No one in BDA ever liked the rotation, except for that pinko commie Chest.

The manner in which that shit got abused was mind boggling. You had people throwing away years old relationships to form a splinter guild to maximize pixels (Omni). You had TMO fire up an alt guild to get class R pixels (Asgard). You have the professional leach guilds Europa and A-Team team up with whoever was up for a mob they couldn't kill.

That shit was never going to last. You people and your pixel lust were the impetus for this.

There were only so many times you can poke the larger more capable guilds before we had to respond.

[Ella'Ella]

I'm tired of being crushed under the weight of greedy men who believe in nothing. I have to change that.
I'm being crushed under the weight of greedy men who believe in nothing. I have to change that.
I'm the weight of greedy men who believe in nothing. I have to change that.

I'm greedy men who believe in nothing. I have to change that.
I believe in nothing.

-Chest

[Troubled]

Plan A going accordingly.

[jettle]

-Chest

tehehe

[jettle]

tehehe

wtffff

[Detoxx]

Detoxx so easy to aggro ! No fun :(

Congratulations about Hoshkar anyway ! hope this lonely dragon will be enough to feed your zerglings members !

Is that u tortue? I thought we were pals bro!

[BurgyK]

STOP IT GUIZE MY PENIS COULD ONLY GET SO ERECT

[arsenalpow]

-Chest

Better?

[Danth]

Bout 6 or 7 months later than I figured this would happen. I sincerely hope you folks manage to eventually blow up the class C/R system completely. Maybe then we can get some real improvements instead of that band-aid. Course the way I figure, if you're starving, it's a bit silly to fight with other starving folks over some scraps when a couple of fat cats are hogging most everything. Perhaps P1999 needs its own version of the french revolution. Still, it has to start somewhere.

Danth

[wycca]

Actually nobody asked for definition on this and there is a clause in there for obvious exceptions.

70% of the proposal was built to guide brand new guilds through entry....and nobody cared to really ask for clarification (except Nemce- thanks for keeping communication classy, Nemce) as to your example.

http://i.imgur.com/13yalH7.jpg

[Cecily]

-Chest

http://i.imgur.com/7LOHGiU.jpg

[Juevento]

Didn't you abandon your guild for pixels?

[Ravager]

Bout time something interesting happened in RnF.

[Cecily]

Me? Yes, FE was terrible. So was your guild.

[Ele]

Didn't you abandon your guild for pixels?

Didn't your guild abandon the rotation for pixels?

[arsenalpow]

Didn't your guild abandon the rotation for pixels?

No, we called for tighter regulations.

[Ravager]

I don't get the big deal. The proposed changes were simply asking that guilds that ally to kill things to share the same rotation spot. FFS, even the GM's considered FE/IB as a single raiding entity and afforded them the same 2 trackers that TMO had.

[Ravager]

And TMO can't say shit about this. Years ago when TMO was rotating Trak with IB and VD, they argued the exact same thing.

[wycca]

No one in BDA ever liked the rotation, except for that pinko commie Chest.

The manner in which that shit got abused was mind boggling. You had people throwing away years old relationships to form a splinter guild to maximize pixels (Omni). You had TMO fire up an alt guild to get class R pixels (Asgard). You have the professional leach guilds Europa and A-Team team up with whoever was up for a mob they couldn't kill.

That shit was never going to last. You people and your pixel lust were the impetus for this.

There were only so many times you can poke the larger more capable guilds before we had to respond.

http://i.imgur.com/ALqznp4.jpg

[Detoxx]

I don't get the big deal. The proposed changes were simply asking that guilds that ally to kill things to share the same rotation spot. FFS, even the GM's considered FE/IB as a single raiding entity and afforded them the same 2 trackers that TMO had.

So why not just keep it all the same, and force ppl who ally to stay allied for 30 days +/-

[Phantasm]

Play game->Have fun

[arsenalpow]

So why not just keep it all the same, and force ppl who ally to stay allied for 30 days +/-

They smaller guilds wanted ZERO changes, just maintain the status quo.

[Detoxx]

They smaller guilds wanted ZERO changes, just maintain the status quo.

And whats wrong with that? What happened to your altruistic bravado of "its to make the server a better place" etc? Im just confused on how you can take such a dramatic turn towards hypocrisy, although I can tell you it isn't unexpected.

[Raev]

Says the guy who deleted the FAP forum to hide the truth.

You came in with two conditions and assured us they were non negotiable. Then you came out with a second proposal that was even sillier than the first.

Also Ravager, you aren't reading that proposal very carefully.

[Troubled]

Says the guy who deleted the FAP forum to hide the truth.

You came in with two conditions and assured us they were non negotiable. Then you came out with a second proposal that was even sillier than the first.

Also Ravager, you aren't reading that proposal very carefully.

FAP forum is still there.

[arsenalpow]

Lol I deleted nothing. I have minions for that sort of thing.

[wycca]

I don't get the big deal. The proposed changes were simply asking that guilds that ally to kill things to share the same rotation spot. FFS, even the GM's considered FE/IB as a single raiding entity and afforded them the same 2 trackers that TMO had.

More propganda and white-washing.

The current rules already had joint sign-ups and a progression system. Plenty of guilds signed up when they struggled to kill mobs solo.

Blatant lying.

Proof (joint signups, guilds not signed up for every mob, progression required) -

http://i.imgur.com/RkmTuf2.jpg


PIXEL LUST

[Pownd]

The thing I don't understand is how 2 guilds can team up to kill a Class R mob and then believe it is justified to each have a separate slot for another easier mob.

Pownd

[Ravager]

Says the guy who deleted the FAP forum to hide the truth.

You came in with two conditions and assured us they were non negotiable. Then you came out with a second proposal that was even sillier than the first.

Also Ravager, you aren't reading that proposal very carefully.

I got the gist of it. You don't think that some of those proposals won't make it harder on BDA too? Do a "/who all bregan" sometime from 3am to 1pm. Unless there was a scheduled planar clear, I doubt there's more than 8 on. That's almost half a day that we'd struggle to muster up a raid force on a whim.

[Troubled]

PIXEL LUST

[60 High Priest] Cobblestone (Gnome) <The Mystical Order>

[Pokesan]

that nwo avatar is fantastic

[Paleman]

p99ers, ruining the classic experience one step at a time through beaurocracy and utter selfishness. Reminds me of america /tear

[Kushie]

Stand in line for kunark loot is not the classic experience, for sure. Byebye.

[captnamazing]

Life is not about Rotations.
Life is about slitting your father's throat while you pee into the mouth of a hooker.

[Detoxx]

I got the gist of it. You don't think that some of those proposals won't make it harder on BDA too? Do a "/who all bregan" sometime from 3am to 1pm. Unless there was a scheduled planar clear, I doubt there's more than 8 on. That's almost half a day that we'd struggle to muster up a raid force on a whim.

Cause we all know that everytime you mustered up a raidforce it only consisted of the people currently online...

[Servellious]

So it was about pixels the whole time? Who woulda thought

[wycca]

[60 High Priest] Cobblestone (Gnome) <The Mystical Order>

Classic PR tactics, if you can't attack the logic, attack the person.

BDA PR team working overtime to gloss over, obscure, and explain away.

[Funkutron5000]

It's about everyone getting to experience content, Kagok (if you can kill Gorenaire at 3 am)

[Ravager]

Cause we all know that everytime you mustered up a raidforce it only consisted of the people currently online...

It may come as a surprise to you, but when the batphone goes out at certain times of the day, there isn't always a raid force of players waiting at the login server to press "Enter World".

[Troubled]

Classic PR tactics, if you can't attack the logic, attack the person.

BDA PR team working overtime to gloss over, obscure, and explain away.

Oh shit I'm part of the PR team. We're fucked.

[Ravager]

Classic PR tactics, if you can't attack the logic, attack the person.

BDA PR team working overtime to gloss over, obscure, and explain away.

It only makes sense to vet the source's credibility.

[Anichek]

which of the brand new guilds is moving from naggy and vox to talendor you clown.

None. Naggy and Vox were completely open and never a pre-req.

[Phantasm]

Since the guilds have had so much time to work on their tactics we should remove C/R and see the turn-out. Taken has the ability to compete realistically when it comes to FFAs, Europa has a pretty god damn large force, they put up 30 some odd for a royals kill(what), every other guild has become capable of killing merbs they never had a shot at, so why not see what is possible ? FFA everything with checks and balances. Kill a mob you sit out on the next FFA cycle.

[Pint]

None. Naggy and Vox were completely open and never a pre-req.

so no new guilds are meant to enter your rotation, glad we cleared that up.

[Fysts]

Should be more like Kill any classic god, opens all classic raid content. Kill any Kunark dragon opens up all Kunark dragons. Kill VS opens up VS. Why would Gore be the open gate mob, when frankly not worth killing 80 percent of time. Hell just make every mob have to be unlocked, by successfully killing it. If a guild proves they can kill VS solo, they should be allowed on VS rotation. WTF does killing Gore have to do with killing VS or Sev. If your guild can solo kill a mob within 1 hour of spawn you allowed to be on the spawns rotation. If you fail to kill in 1 hour you forfeit your spot, the seems perfectly fair. Sounds like BDA and Taken just want free kills but not share. I get the guilds cooping shouldn't be given a slot for each guild, and I thought that is guilds allied it already removed both then rotation.

[fiveeauxfour]

pint, the proletariat isn't allowed to participate.

[Merekai]

The few things I have to say in regards to this topic:

1) Forcing guilds who have killed every single mob in the rotation solo already that now happen to be faced with a 3am Trak spawn, thus requiring a partnership with another guild to kill, to partner with that same guild on ALL mobs going forward is fucking ludicrous. Keep the mob from going class C, that was ALWAYS stressed by every guild on FAP. Now it's time to penalize those who do this?

2) Your Tier test mobs are completely ridiculous. Class C guilds still wipe on Gore(I can't remember when it happened last, but I know it has happened). Nice job in trying to fist the assholes of smaller guilds trying to build up their member base and experience via a steadily increasing difficulty of mobs they attempt(which is how guilds usually do it). AG didn't sign up for Gore right away, as an example.

3) You claim to want all the guilds to have the opportunity to progress. I suggested a more fair way for guilds to attempt tier test mobs because how THE FUCK are guilds going to learn on a mob without wiping, rezzing up, analyzing the problems and adjusting the strat and going again. Your proposal does not allow this at all.

Man I sure feel for Chest whenever ScumGuild_01 thinks they can dictate how the R class should play, it's not mob difficulty it's a difference in playstyle.....that you're now trying to force. Had you been willing to let more suggestions be discussed and seen how unreasonable some of the proposed changes were, I really think many of us would have been more supportive of a compromise approach.

Chevey Truxx

[Troubled]

It's ok we're in talks with Sirken and he has promised BDA and Taken all the mobs.

[Oleris]

As I said before in the FAP forums:

"All I know is, when The Undertaker kidnapped Stephanie, he crossed a line. He may have a beef with me Zanderr, or Triple H, or Vince McMahon even, and that is fair game, but to bring Stephanie into this, when she had ZERO to do with ANYTHING AT ALL with the controversy over last week's grudge match between him and me, he has CROSSED A LINE."

Too bad Vince was the higher power.

[Pringles]

Red pop suddenly on the rise!

[sulpher01]

Does anyone actually read hyjals posts in raid section?

[Rufio]

Since this thread has seem to stall a bit, some illuminati/tin foil hats conspiracy theories are due to be discussed.
Has this been in the works since BDA went to Class C? Was this all a plan to make up for forcing 80% of his guild to sit out free pixels for a month so the privileged few could get VP pixels?
Is this just a benevolent move by the Big 3, to make sure little guilds get their pixels and ban together to ensure Dolji's never get a chance at Class R?
Maybe this just a short term plan so that Taken, BDA, and Divinity can get more VP keys to progress to Class C ?

[Vianna]

Since this thread has seem to stall a bit, some illuminati/tin foil hats conspiracy theories are due to be discussed.
Has this been in the works since BDA went to Class C? Was this all a plan to make up for forcing 80% of his guild to sit out free pixels for a month so the privileged few could get VP pixels?
Is this just a benevolent move by the Big 3, to make sure little guilds get their pixels and ban together to ensure Dolji's never get a chance at Class R?
Maybe this just a short term plan so that Taken, BDA, and Divinity can get more VP keys to progress to Class C ?

The timing doesn't make sense at all. Velious by all accounts is really close and the class system will disappear. Seems honestly like a move to gear more characters before Velious for the larger guilds in Class R. I say all 7 guilds that get screwed by this to make 3 guilds to control the spawns until Velious releases. Kinda throw it back in those 3 guilds faces. Would be Poetic justice.

[Pringles]

The timing doesn't make sense at all. Velious by all accounts is really close and the class system will disappear. Seems honestly like a move to gear more characters before Velious for the larger guilds in Class R. I say all 7 guilds that get screwed by this to make 3 guilds to control the spawns until Velious releases. Kinda throw it back in those 3 guilds faces. Would be Poetic justice.

Its what they're forcing if they proceed with this, and it will happen.

[khanable]

join red today!

[Kingore]

Kingore coming out of retirement.

Selling my services to whoever wants to buttfuck BDA.

60 monk/war/mage/mage/rogue/enchanter/bard

52 bp cleric/monk.

PS I can outpull any mob vs BDA - you win 100% of the time.

[Juevento]

Actually you win, 1/3 of the time. Them lockouts dawg.

[Kingore]

Kingore coming out of retirement.

Selling my services to whoever wants to buttfuck BDA.

60 monk/war/mage/mage/rogue/enchanter/bard

52 bp cleric/monk.

PS I can outpull any mob vs BDA - you win 100% of the time.

You clearly missed the point that I have enough characters to fuck you from every different guild.

[Oleris]

Can't wait for Sirken's stream when he calls all of us stupid nerds. Sirken stated that there wasn't going to be a class/lockout system when velious was initially released. These next weeks/months/years(plz no) until Velious is released will be very interesting.

[Man0warr]

Its what they're forcing if they proceed with this, and it will happen.

So you'll form together in an alliance to kill harder targets and share loot...which is the exact thing you refused to do in this proposal?

[Briscoe]

You had people throwing away years old relationships to form a splinter guild to maximize pixels (Omni). You had TMO fire up an alt guild to get class R pixels (Asgard). You have the professional leach guilds Europa and A-Team team up with whoever was up for a mob they couldn't kill.

Seriously? You are joking right? Is anyone in your guild capable of not talking shit? That's all we have gotten out of BDA over the last few days as this situation has unfolded. If you could have some tact and not just be snarky trolls for a few posts then we may have gotten somewhere.

[zanderklocke]

Says the guy who deleted the FAP forum to hide the truth.

You came in with two conditions and assured us they were non negotiable. Then you came out with a second proposal that was even sillier than the first.

Also Ravager, you aren't reading that proposal very carefully.

I saved all the threads so we can analyze in future and never forget where we were hulk hogan left WcW and joined the NWO.

[Lune]

The box has changed. I feel it in the water. I feel it in the earth. I smell it in the air. Much that once was is lost. For none now play who remember it. It began with the forging of the great Pixels. Three were given to the casual scum, immortal, wisest and fairest of all beings. Seven to the neckbeards, great campers and poopsockers of rare spawns. And nine, nine Pixels were gifted to the hardcore raiders, who above all else desired loots. For within these pixels was bound the strength and will to dominate server content.

But they were all of them deceived, for an agreement was made. In the land of Forumquest, in the fires RNF, the players and staff forged in secret a master rotation to control all others, and into this agreement, they poured their fairness, their justice, and their will to regulate all raiding. One rotation to rule them all.

Meanwhile, one by one the free guilds of P99 fell to the power of TMO. But there were some who resisted. A last alliance of casuals and neckbeards marched against the armies of TMO and on the threads of RNF, they fought for the freedom of P99. Victory was near but the power of the Pixel could not be undone. It was in this moment when all hope had faded that Rogean, Lord of the Box, took up his banhammer... Zeelot, the enemy of the casuals of P99 was defeated.

The Pixels passed to Zagum, who had this one chance to obstruct any agreement forever. But the hardcores were easily convinced. And the Pixels have a will of their own. They betrayed old TMO to its death. And some things that should not have been forgotten were lost. History became legend, legend became myth, and for twelve and a half months, the Pixels passed out of all knowledge until, when chance came, they ensnared a new bearer. The Pixels came to the creature Chest who took them deep into the basement of his mother's house and there it consumed him. The Pixels brought to Chest unnatural long playtimes. For five months, they poisoned his life. And in the gloom of Chest's bedroom, they waited.

Darkness crept back into the forums. Rumor grew of a shadow in the rotation, whimpers of unfairness and the Pixels perceived their time had now come. They abandoned the rotation. But something happened the Pixels did not intend. They were picked up by the most unlikely creatures imaginable: casual scum, Taken, BDA, and Divinity. For the times will soon come when Casuals will shape the fortunes of us all...

[falendar]

Ok, so lets get this right. You have to kill one of the hardest mobs to get to The easier mobs. How does this work for guilds that want to form in the future? They will be completely unable to gear their members on easier raid targets to take on the harder ones.
and how is it 3? guilds can bully the other 7, they are going against the majority so nothing should change from class r currently. the only thing I would say should be changed is if two guilds combine forces to take out a target both their slots are eaten for that mobs rotation.

[captnamazing]

The air tastes like aluminum and ash. It's almost like you can smell the psychosphere

http://i.imgur.com/p4IqU3l.jpg

There's a conspiracy here, boys.... Chest is led by BDA. Ex-BDA members populate the 99% of all working class raiders in Class C Guilds (TMO/IB). Where did Chest's influence really end? or did he program the people who left with the ritualistic sacrifice of pixels? My guess is that now the rats will be eating the woodwork from within, boys and girls. Watch out for the fucking snakes. Omni is an ex-BDA coalition for abusing the Class R system, and it is well known and supported by inside informants (RIP Metallikus) that Chest/Cloki agreed to a 51/49 split of access to the new pixels for their alts. Enter (for the third time) Hyjal and his guns drawn attitude toward p99 Welfare. He pretends that he's all alone, but really he is Clyde and Chest is Bonnie. Their con to pull the wool over all of our heads has worked. Now they are robbing our vending machines. What does that mean for scapegoat Omni? You're going to be without any snacks or soft-drinks.

This destruction of the rotation has been brought about by the BDA-Lord Bob conspiracy. The second Hyjal took up reign (for the third time), lord Bob immediately starting sniping 99% of ALL mobs from the Class R rotation. BDA pullers who lost to lord bob most recently at draco threw the game by "getting rooted." WHERE ARE THE FRAPS? I say that BDA Pullers just let lord bob take the draco so that Chest could burn down the rotation, reabsorb Omni, assassinate Hyjal, end the rotation, and begin the the Long Goodbye.
This is what I'd call the workings of a meta-psychotic.

[Jfertal]

Bunch of nerds.

I'm going rogue.

[Oleris]

I saved all the threads so we can analyze in future and never forget where we were hulk hogan left WcW and joined the NWO.

I formally request someone to take the infamous bash of the beach turn and do something like the lebron/cav's video.

http://youtu.be/G7xlzLOZH5c

[Raev]

http://s9.postimg.org/u7fri0pct/gimpatron.jpg

Over the past week, BDA has repeatedly referred to AT, Omni, and Indignation together as GIMPATRON. Not 3 hours ago, GIMPATRON annihilated Gorenaire with 80 people. After witnessing this awesome power, we see no reason to be bound by a rotation when the power of GIMPATRON would allow us to crush this pathetic rotation in our robotic fists. To ensure our victory, we will be adding <Lord Bob> as the mighty fourth arm of GIMPATRON. They may be short on levels and gear, but their hatred for the scum lord of Class R, Chest, knows no bounds.

TREMBLE, CLASS R, AND DESPAIR BEFORE GIMPATRON

[bouncerr 2.0]

lol blue

[contemptor]

I like you Loraen, but I ponder the influence of narcotics or science fiction on your RL.

[Pokesan]

The box has changed. I feel it in the water. I feel it in the earth. I smell it in the air. Much that once was is lost. For none now play who remember it. It began with the forging of the great Pixels. Three were given to the casual scum, immortal, wisest and fairest of all beings. Seven to the neckbeards, great campers and poopsockers of rare spawns. And nine, nine Pixels were gifted to the hardcore raiders, who above all else desired loots. For within these pixels was bound the strength and will to dominate server content.

But they were all of them deceived, for an agreement was made. In the land of Forumquest, in the fires RNF, the players and staff forged in secret a master rotation to control all others, and into this agreement, they poured their fairness, their justice, and their will to regulate all raiding. One rotation to rule them all.

Meanwhile, one by one the free guilds of P99 fell to the power of TMO. But there were some who resisted. A last alliance of casuals and neckbeards marched against the armies of TMO and on the threads of RNF, they fought for the freedom of P99. Victory was near but the power of the Pixel could not be undone. It was in this moment when all hope had faded that Rogean, Lord of the Box, took up his banhammer... Zeelot, the enemy of the casuals of P99 was defeated.

The Pixels passed to Zagum, who had this one chance to obstruct any agreement forever. But the hardcores were easily convinced. And the Pixels have a will of their own. They betrayed old TMO to its death. And some things that should not have been forgotten were lost. History became legend, legend became myth, and for twelve and a half months, the Pixels passed out of all knowledge until, when chance came, they ensnared a new bearer. The Pixels came to the creature Chest who took them deep into the basement of his mother's house and there it consumed him. The Pixels brought to Chest unnatural long playtimes. For five months, they poisoned his life. And in the gloom of Chest's bedroom, they waited.

Darkness crept back into the forums. Rumor grew of a shadow in the rotation, whimpers of unfairness and the Pixels perceived their time had now come. They abandoned the rotation. But something happened the Pixels did not intend. They were picked up by the most unlikely creatures imaginable: casual scum, Taken, BDA, and Divinity. For the times will soon come when Casuals will shape the fortunes of us all...

this is amazing and i love you

[contemptor]

Seriously? You are joking right? Is anyone in your guild capable of not talking shit? That's all we have gotten out of BDA over the last few days as this situation has unfolded. If you could have some tact and not just be snarky trolls for a few posts then we may have gotten somewhere.
Juevento loves to troll. But for the most part speaks the uncomfortable truth :shrug:.

[Raev]

The box has changed. I feel it in the water. I feel it in the earth. I smell it in the air. Much that once was is lost. For none now play who remember it. It began with the forging of the great Pixels. Three were given to the casual scum, immortal, wisest and fairest of all beings. Seven to the neckbeards, great campers and poopsockers of rare spawns. And nine, nine Pixels were gifted to the hardcore raiders, who above all else desired loots. For within these pixels was bound the strength and will to dominate server content.

But they were all of them deceived, for an agreement was made. In the land of Forumquest, in the fires RNF, the players and staff forged in secret a master rotation to control all others, and into this agreement, they poured their fairness, their justice, and their will to regulate all raiding. One rotation to rule them all.

Meanwhile, one by one the free guilds of P99 fell to the power of TMO. But there were some who resisted. A last alliance of casuals and neckbeards marched against the armies of TMO and on the threads of RNF, they fought for the freedom of P99. Victory was near but the power of the Pixel could not be undone. It was in this moment when all hope had faded that Rogean, Lord of the Box, took up his banhammer... Zeelot, the enemy of the casuals of P99 was defeated.

The Pixels passed to Zagum, who had this one chance to obstruct any agreement forever. But the hardcores were easily convinced. And the Pixels have a will of their own. They betrayed old TMO to its death. And some things that should not have been forgotten were lost. History became legend, legend became myth, and for twelve and a half months, the Pixels passed out of all knowledge until, when chance came, they ensnared a new bearer. The Pixels came to the creature Chest who took them deep into the basement of his mother's house and there it consumed him. The Pixels brought to Chest unnatural long playtimes. For five months, they poisoned his life. And in the gloom of Chest's bedroom, they waited.

Darkness crept back into the forums. Rumor grew of a shadow in the rotation, whimpers of unfairness and the Pixels perceived their time had now come. They abandoned the rotation. But something happened the Pixels did not intend. They were picked up by the most unlikely creatures imaginable: casual scum, Taken, BDA, and Divinity. For the times will soon come when Casuals will shape the fortunes of us all...

This is both accurate and hilarious. 10/10 sir

[heartbrand]

Blue sounds awful

[Argh]

BDA and Taken have gone full retard again?

[Hyjal]

I won't say I told you so, but....

HAHA

[Byel]

5☆

[Rangerest]

10/10

[Hyjal]

All Tier-R guilds are welcome to join Lord BoB in our quest to destroy whats left of Tier-R tyranny. No guild is second rate to any other. This was Lord BoB's beef behind the rotation since day 1.

All rotation guilds are welcome to open discussions about alliances.

[Juevento]

holy shit, does this mean you guys don't need puppet strings to down mobs anymore?

[Turp]

The box has changed. I feel it in the water. I feel it in the earth. I smell it in the air. Much that once was is lost. For none now play who remember it. It began with the forging of the great Pixels. Three were given to the casual scum, immortal, wisest and fairest of all beings. Seven to the neckbeards, great campers and poopsockers of rare spawns. And nine, nine Pixels were gifted to the hardcore raiders, who above all else desired loots. For within these pixels was bound the strength and will to dominate server content.

But they were all of them deceived, for an agreement was made. In the land of Forumquest, in the fires RNF, the players and staff forged in secret a master rotation to control all others, and into this agreement, they poured their fairness, their justice, and their will to regulate all raiding. One rotation to rule them all.

Meanwhile, one by one the free guilds of P99 fell to the power of TMO. But there were some who resisted. A last alliance of casuals and neckbeards marched against the armies of TMO and on the threads of RNF, they fought for the freedom of P99. Victory was near but the power of the Pixel could not be undone. It was in this moment when all hope had faded that Rogean, Lord of the Box, took up his banhammer... Zeelot, the enemy of the casuals of P99 was defeated.

The Pixels passed to Zagum, who had this one chance to obstruct any agreement forever. But the hardcores were easily convinced. And the Pixels have a will of their own. They betrayed old TMO to its death. And some things that should not have been forgotten were lost. History became legend, legend became myth, and for twelve and a half months, the Pixels passed out of all knowledge until, when chance came, they ensnared a new bearer. The Pixels came to the creature Chest who took them deep into the basement of his mother's house and there it consumed him. The Pixels brought to Chest unnatural long playtimes. For five months, they poisoned his life. And in the gloom of Chest's bedroom, they waited.

Darkness crept back into the forums. Rumor grew of a shadow in the rotation, whimpers of unfairness and the Pixels perceived their time had now come. They abandoned the rotation. But something happened the Pixels did not intend. They were picked up by the most unlikely creatures imaginable: casual scum, Taken, BDA, and Divinity. For the times will soon come when Casuals will shape the fortunes of us all...
Lol. Nice.

[Hyjal]

All Tier-R guilds are welcome to join Lord BoB in our quest to destroy whats left of Tier-R tyranny. No guild is second rate to any other. This was Lord BoB's beef behind the rotation since day 1 and has proven to be exactly the case.

All rotation guilds are welcome to open discussions about alliances with Doljonijiarnimorinar. Lets work together against a common foe and take out BDA and Taken once and for all.


Message Hyjal in-game for more details.

[capco]

The box has changed. I feel it in the water. I feel it in the earth. I smell it in the air. Much that once was is lost. For none now play who remember it. It began with the forging of the great Pixels. Three were given to the casual scum, immortal, wisest and fairest of all beings. Seven to the neckbeards, great campers and poopsockers of rare spawns. And nine, nine Pixels were gifted to the hardcore raiders, who above all else desired loots. For within these pixels was bound the strength and will to dominate server content.

But they were all of them deceived, for an agreement was made. In the land of Forumquest, in the fires RNF, the players and staff forged in secret a master rotation to control all others, and into this agreement, they poured their fairness, their justice, and their will to regulate all raiding. One rotation to rule them all.

Meanwhile, one by one the free guilds of P99 fell to the power of TMO. But there were some who resisted. A last alliance of casuals and neckbeards marched against the armies of TMO and on the threads of RNF, they fought for the freedom of P99. Victory was near but the power of the Pixel could not be undone. It was in this moment when all hope had faded that Rogean, Lord of the Box, took up his banhammer... Zeelot, the enemy of the casuals of P99 was defeated.

The Pixels passed to Zagum, who had this one chance to obstruct any agreement forever. But the hardcores were easily convinced. And the Pixels have a will of their own. They betrayed old TMO to its death. And some things that should not have been forgotten were lost. History became legend, legend became myth, and for twelve and a half months, the Pixels passed out of all knowledge until, when chance came, they ensnared a new bearer. The Pixels came to the creature Chest who took them deep into the basement of his mother's house and there it consumed him. The Pixels brought to Chest unnatural long playtimes. For five months, they poisoned his life. And in the gloom of Chest's bedroom, they waited.

Darkness crept back into the forums. Rumor grew of a shadow in the rotation, whimpers of unfairness and the Pixels perceived their time had now come. They abandoned the rotation. But something happened the Pixels did not intend. They were picked up by the most unlikely creatures imaginable: casual scum, Taken, BDA, and Divinity. For the times will soon come when Casuals will shape the fortunes of us all...

This made me cry from laughter. Excellent!

[bktroost]

Sorry to tell you, but we have mended fences after a meeting of the guild leaders and will continue with the rotation as planned for the time being.

[wycca]

BDA and Taken have gone full retard again?

Seems like it came from BDA, but after all of the Taken/Divinity proposals along the same lines over the past 9 months it's probably a joint dog and pony show.

Oh wait, found proof - I located this hidden away in the "Births/Deaths" section of the P99 newspaper nobody reads-

http://i.imgur.com/fpnJFlD.jpg

[Troubled]

All Tier-R guilds are welcome to join Lord BoB in our quest to destroy whats left of Tier-R tyranny. No guild is second rate to any other. This was Lord BoB's beef behind the rotation since day 1 and has proven to be exactly the case.

All rotation guilds are welcome to open discussions about alliances with Doljonijiarnimorinar. Lets work together against a common foe and take out BDA and Taken once and for all.


Message Hyjal in-game for more details.

Yea. That's always been your motivation. Even when small guilds were running class R for a year. It was always because of the big guys` tyranny.

http://i.imgur.com/uUd6coy.gif

[contemptor]

You remind me of the fat kid in middle school that always wanted to be the quarterback of the football team, but you capped out as the president of the chess club.

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

The box has changed. I feel it in the water. I feel it in the earth. I smell it in the air. Much that once was is lost. For none now play who remember it. It began with the forging of the great Pixels. Three were given to the casual scum, immortal, wisest and fairest of all beings. Seven to the neckbeards, great campers and poopsockers of rare spawns. And nine, nine Pixels were gifted to the hardcore raiders, who above all else desired loots. For within these pixels was bound the strength and will to dominate server content.

But they were all of them deceived, for an agreement was made. In the land of Forumquest, in the fires RNF, the players and staff forged in secret a master rotation to control all others, and into this agreement, they poured their fairness, their justice, and their will to regulate all raiding. One rotation to rule them all.

Meanwhile, one by one the free guilds of P99 fell to the power of TMO. But there were some who resisted. A last alliance of casuals and neckbeards marched against the armies of TMO and on the threads of RNF, they fought for the freedom of P99. Victory was near but the power of the Pixel could not be undone. It was in this moment when all hope had faded that Rogean, Lord of the Box, took up his banhammer... Zeelot, the enemy of the casuals of P99 was defeated.

The Pixels passed to Zagum, who had this one chance to obstruct any agreement forever. But the hardcores were easily convinced. And the Pixels have a will of their own. They betrayed old TMO to its death. And some things that should not have been forgotten were lost. History became legend, legend became myth, and for twelve and a half months, the Pixels passed out of all knowledge until, when chance came, they ensnared a new bearer. The Pixels came to the creature Chest who took them deep into the basement of his mother's house and there it consumed him. The Pixels brought to Chest unnatural long playtimes. For five months, they poisoned his life. And in the gloom of Chest's bedroom, they waited.

Darkness crept back into the forums. Rumor grew of a shadow in the rotation, whimpers of unfairness and the Pixels perceived their time had now come. They abandoned the rotation. But something happened the Pixels did not intend. They were picked up by the most unlikely creatures imaginable: casual scum, Taken, BDA, and Divinity. For the times will soon come when Casuals will shape the fortunes of us all...

http://a.fod4.com/images/GifGuide/clapping/stTNGclap_original.gif

[Lune]

I wanted to be second string defensive end, I ended up third string strong tackle because I was a fat nerd. Aimed low, landed in the gutter. Thanks for reminding me of high school, asshole

[Ravager]

RnF blowin' up. Plus LoL at a Lord Bob alliance. Guilds should ally if that's what they want, just not with Bob, cuz you'll just wind up gearing Hyjal's alts.

[Juevento]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=409Pjtq7jzY

[contemptor]

I wanted to be second string defensive end, I ended up third string strong tackle because I was a fat nerd. Aimed low, landed in the gutter. Thanks for reminding me of high school, asshole
Someone has to be the third string tackle bro, no shame. That's strong qualifications for Dolj raid leader if interested imo.

[Formshifter]

Come to red and fight your way into slots

[contemptor]

RnF blowin' up. Plus LoL at a Lord Bob alliance. Guilds should ally if that's what they want, just not with Bob, cuz you'll just wind up gearing Hyjal's alts.
In fairness, Hyjal is pretty bad, and his main needs some gear also. Similar irrelevance to Lron.

[Pokesan]

the rotation has fallen. the minister of pixels is dead.

[Gimp]

I approve of this message

[Ella'Ella]

I don't understand why you guys don't consider the most powerful option you have; ally together, or merge for simplicity, and dominate the class R scene sans rotation.

Don't go quietly into the night.

[arsenalpow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx0xulrOsgQ

[Ravager]

I don't understand why you guys don't consider the most powerful option you have; ally together, or merge for simplicity, and dominate the class R scene sans rotation.

Don't go quietly into the night.

The only thing TMO knows.

[Nivar Quartz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx0xulrOsgQ


http://i.imgur.com/ogrq4as.gif

[Juevento]

False alarm everyone, rotations back.

fucking bullshit

[cs616]

If at the end of all this drama Lord Bob ends up being the "good guy", that is going to be like finding out Lee Harvey Oswald is a vigilante hero because Kennedy was actually a child molester. This whole thing is just super.

[arsenalpow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyzoisXs0CM

[Ravager]

Who gives a shit about any of this? Everyone should be more pissed that we can't watch a youtube video without opening a new tab.

[norova]

My pants are FFA, go for it cuties ^_^

[bktroost]

This thread obviously needs some Arghwork to make it complete. Someone call Argh immediately.

[bktroost]

I don't understand why you guys don't consider the most powerful option you have; ally together, or merge for simplicity, and dominate the class R scene sans rotation.

Don't go quietly into the night.

Don't you worry....

[Cecily]

The only thing TMO knows.

Yeah, ex-VD, because you've never been in a dying guild that was mercifully absorbed by another one.

[Kushie]

I'm fucking outraged that youtube has to be opened in a different tab.

[Estolcles]

I find it funny that Chest has now adopted "Hollywood" Hogan as his avatar, complete with quote. See, behind the scenes, Hogan was one of the largest reasons WCW was destroyed from the inside-out, and went from making millions a year to being only worth 2mil when it was sold to the WWF/E.

[Mistle]

Nash was a bigger reason IMO.

[Estolcles]

Nash was a bigger reason IMO.

Well, one of the biggest reasons had to be Vince Russo. But Hogan and Nash started the damage. (Creative Control, "Favored Nations", and other such clauses in their contracts...)

[jpetrick]

GIMPATRON FORMING LIKE VOLTRON

[Oleris]

I find it funny that Chest has now adopted "Hollywood" Hogan as his avatar, complete with quote. See, behind the scenes, Hogan was one of the largest reasons WCW was destroyed from the inside-out, and went from making millions a year to being only worth 2mil when it was sold to the WWF/E.

Only 1 man could stop the NWO.

[Kekephee]

Here's a math question for you guys. If, in order to kill a mob, you have to ally with two other guilds and divvy up the loot between them, and if each of those three guilds are full of TMO alts that they have tagged in order to a) take advantage of the class R extra loots and b) to spite BDA by helping guilds that would have a harder time "winning" the FFA race against us- let's say maybe 10% of the loot winds up going to those TMO alts- what percentage is left over for the actual players who really are in those guilds and is it really worth all this "BDA are the enemy because they tried to keep us from taking up multiple rotation slots with one de facto guild made up of multiple ostensible guilds" rhetoric? Aren't you actually coming up shorter now than you would if you just agreed that there were certain mobs you weren't capable of killing and continued killing the ones you could so that you could eventually kill the others?

[Kekephee]

I guess what I'm saying is I really feel like this is a serious case of cutting off your nose to spite your face predicated on, in addition to kind of an underestimation of how much you're dividing up your own loot here, let's say maybe a bit of an overestimation of how well you guys are going to do in a massive free for all against all the other class R guilds.

[Cecily]

Here's a math question for you guys. If, in order to kill a mob, you have to ally with two other guilds and divvy up the loot between them, and if each of those three guilds are full of TMO alts that they have tagged in order to a) take advantage of the class R extra loots and b) to spite BDA by helping guilds that would have a harder time "winning" the FFA race against us

Pretty good propaganda! A few points I'd like to touch on:

A) I know of one person who does this. I'm sure there's more, but we're talking serious minority. You don't get that much loot.
B) You're not fun to play against. No one is joining R on an alt for the pleasure of competing with you guys.

[Detoxx]

No one is joining R on an alt for the pleasure of competing with you guys.

Compete? And I think these tinfoil hat wearers fail to realize that joining a a class R guild, building a rapport with said guild, dedicating more time than we already do to raid with a Class C guild, the spawns being on the same day, etc etc make it not worth it in any sense to even try to game the system. Come on now, think things through.

[Stormfists]

Half my mains in IB. Half my mains in TMO. All my alts in class R.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is... pras all.

[Swish]

Oh well, I can still buy my TMO quested SK/necro epic right?

[Tenlaar]

All Tier-R guilds are welcome to join Lord BoB in our quest to destroy whats left of Tier-R tyranny.

So I was away for like 8 months. Did you guys ever actually end up killing...you know...anything at all?

[TMO so immersed]

Compete? And I think these tinfoil hat wearers fail to realize that joining a a class R guild, building a rapport with said guild, dedicating more time than we already do to raid with a Class C guild, the spawns being on the same day, etc etc make it not worth it in any sense to even try to game the system. Come on now, think things through.

Are you still MT for Asgard, super dweeb?

[Swish]

Someone needs to publish a guild tourist brochure. Plenty of it going on already from what I can see...maybe the rotation encourages it.

[Pringles]

So you'll form together in an alliance to kill harder targets and share loot...which is the exact thing you refused to do in this proposal?

Please show me where *I* said this?

[Kushie]

sounds like a few guilds are ready to move to Class C and leave the rest of Class R to its normal state

That would be totally doable if Class R gave up trakanon permanently. No guild would commit that kind of suicide.

[radditsu]

I find it funny that Chest has now adopted "Hollywood" Hogan as his avatar, complete with quote. See, behind the scenes, Hogan was one of the largest reasons WCW was destroyed from the inside-out, and went from making millions a year to being only worth 2mil when it was sold to the WWF/E.

The problem with WCW is every fight ended in a chair shot and 5 people running in to gangbang. It was fucking stupid.

[Ravager]

Yeah, ex-VD, because you've never been in a dying guild that was mercifully absorbed by another one.

I spent 4 or 5 months guildless after VD collapsed. Then I decided I wanted to raid again. The options at the time were BDA and TMO. This was at the time that TMO was steam-rolling VP. I chose to play with my friends instead of going for easy pixels.

[Ravager]

Not to mention all the shit TMO's trolls did to people outside of the game left a permanently bad taste in my mouth which made me never want to associate myself with them.

[Fountree]

The box has changed. I feel it in the water. I feel it in the earth. I smell it in the air. Much that once was is lost. For none now play who remember it. It began with the forging of the great Pixels. Three were given to the casual scum, immortal, wisest and fairest of all beings. Seven to the neckbeards, great campers and poopsockers of rare spawns. And nine, nine Pixels were gifted to the hardcore raiders, who above all else desired loots. For within these pixels was bound the strength and will to dominate server content.

But they were all of them deceived, for an agreement was made. In the land of Forumquest, in the fires RNF, the players and staff forged in secret a master rotation to control all others, and into this agreement, they poured their fairness, their justice, and their will to regulate all raiding. One rotation to rule them all.

Meanwhile, one by one the free guilds of P99 fell to the power of TMO. But there were some who resisted. A last alliance of casuals and neckbeards marched against the armies of TMO and on the threads of RNF, they fought for the freedom of P99. Victory was near but the power of the Pixel could not be undone. It was in this moment when all hope had faded that Rogean, Lord of the Box, took up his banhammer... Zeelot, the enemy of the casuals of P99 was defeated.

The Pixels passed to Zagum, who had this one chance to obstruct any agreement forever. But the hardcores were easily convinced. And the Pixels have a will of their own. They betrayed old TMO to its death. And some things that should not have been forgotten were lost. History became legend, legend became myth, and for twelve and a half months, the Pixels passed out of all knowledge until, when chance came, they ensnared a new bearer. The Pixels came to the creature Chest who took them deep into the basement of his mother's house and there it consumed him. The Pixels brought to Chest unnatural long playtimes. For five months, they poisoned his life. And in the gloom of Chest's bedroom, they waited.

Darkness crept back into the forums. Rumor grew of a shadow in the rotation, whimpers of unfairness and the Pixels perceived their time had now come. They abandoned the rotation. But something happened the Pixels did not intend. They were picked up by the most unlikely creatures imaginable: casual scum, Taken, BDA, and Divinity. For the times will soon come when Casuals will shape the fortunes of us all...

Thanks for lols

[Cecily]

So you ultimately joined the guild your old guild merged into after it died is what you're saying. Just like FE did. I guess it was easier in your case b/c no risk of pixels in BDA, but you're no different.

[Formshifter]

If at the end of all this drama Lord Bob ends up being the "good guy", that is going to be like finding out Lee Harvey Oswald is a vigilante hero because Kennedy was actually a child molester. This whole thing is just super.

Oswald didnt kill him ya moran. Theres a reason you arennt allowed to go up to the window where he supposedly fired from. the CIA merked kennedy because he was actually doing productive shit.

[Ravager]

Except FE wasn't completely without leadership and the VD who merged with BDA weren't giant hypocrites. Also, merging isn't BDA's MO. We're more of a split kind of guild.

[Cecily]

Also, merging isn't BDA's MO. We're more of a split kind of guild.

Because you're terrible and anyone without a disposition to joining a cult could see that and got the fuck out.

[BurgyK]

BDAs leaderships perception of class c is so twisted and skewed it doesnt touch reality. Just move up already ya quivering pussies and quit using white knight of class r as a shield.

[Ravager]

Because you're terrible and anyone without a disposition to joining a cult could see that and got the fuck out.

You're meaner than I remember. TMO has changed you.

[quido]

BDA isn't a merger guild because nobody in their right mind would ever want to merge with such deluded brand of nincompoops.

[Formshifter]

BDA isn't a merger guild because nobody in their right mind would ever want to merge with such deluded brand of nincompoops.

Its because merging with BDA increases your chances of drowning by nearly 400%

[Cecily]

You're meaner than I remember. TMO has changed you.

I remember Lacie telling me I had a mean sense of humor in BDA, so that might not be necessarily true. In any case, I appreciate my guild getting bashed as much as you do yours.
It's nothing personal. We just hate each other's guilds.

[Whirled]

The box has changed. I feel it in the water. I feel it in the earth. I smell it in the air. Much that once was is lost. For none now play who remember it. It began with the forging of the great Pixels. Three were given to the casual scum, immortal, wisest and fairest of all beings. Seven to the neckbeards, great campers and poopsockers of rare spawns. And nine, nine Pixels were gifted to the hardcore raiders, who above all else desired loots. For within these pixels was bound the strength and will to dominate server content.

But they were all of them deceived, for an agreement was made. In the land of Forumquest, in the fires RNF, the players and staff forged in secret a master rotation to control all others, and into this agreement, they poured their fairness, their justice, and their will to regulate all raiding. One rotation to rule them all.

Meanwhile, one by one the free guilds of P99 fell to the power of TMO. But there were some who resisted. A last alliance of casuals and neckbeards marched against the armies of TMO and on the threads of RNF, they fought for the freedom of P99. Victory was near but the power of the Pixel could not be undone. It was in this moment when all hope had faded that Rogean, Lord of the Box, took up his banhammer... Zeelot, the enemy of the casuals of P99 was defeated.

The Pixels passed to Zagum, who had this one chance to obstruct any agreement forever. But the hardcores were easily convinced. And the Pixels have a will of their own. They betrayed old TMO to its death. And some things that should not have been forgotten were lost. History became legend, legend became myth, and for twelve and a half months, the Pixels passed out of all knowledge until, when chance came, they ensnared a new bearer. The Pixels came to the creature Chest who took them deep into the basement of his mother's house and there it consumed him. The Pixels brought to Chest unnatural long playtimes. For five months, they poisoned his life. And in the gloom of Chest's bedroom, they waited.

Darkness crept back into the forums. Rumor grew of a shadow in the rotation, whimpers of unfairness and the Pixels perceived their time had now come. They abandoned the rotation. But something happened the Pixels did not intend. They were picked up by the most unlikely creatures imaginable: casual scum, Taken, BDA, and Divinity. For the times will soon come when Casuals will shape the fortunes of us all...

http://www.project1999.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

[thieros]

is readme dottext still TMO? cause that is one awesome TMO member if so

[Juevento]

Because you're terrible and anyone without a disposition to joining a cult could see that and got the fuck out.

Holy shit if I were the ban for RL attack eating type, I'd have the perfect response. You really tee'd that one up.

[Cecily]

http://i.imgur.com/7krMo92.jpg

[Ravager]

I remember Lacie telling me I had a mean sense of humor in BDA, so that might not be necessarily true. In any case, I appreciate my guild getting bashed as much as you do yours.
It's nothing personal. We just hate each other's guilds.

Fair enough.

[Halius]

So just a quick question, I'm obviously not in the raid scene and probably never will be because I don't have the time to commit. Aren't epics some of, if not the best, weapons in the game for most classes? It just seems strange to me that you would restrict guilds from going after mobs that hole their epic pieces but at the same time ask them to take down one of the harder dragons in the game. Shouldn't they be equipped with the best they can at their level to attempt a dragon like that? I don't know, I'm not involved in the raid scene so this may be dumb but just wanted to ask about it. I get that you can buy MQs of some epics, but a lot of people would rather actually play and get the pieces themselves.

[Halius]

So just a quick question, I'm obviously not in the raid scene and probably never will be because I don't have the time to commit. Aren't epics some of, if not the best, weapons in the game for most classes? It just seems strange to me that you would restrict guilds from going after mobs that hold their epic pieces but at the same time ask them to take down one of the harder dragons in the game. Shouldn't they be equipped with the best they can at their level to attempt a dragon like that? I don't know, I'm not involved in the raid scene so this may be dumb but just wanted to ask about it. I get that you can buy MQs of some epics, but a lot of people would rather actually play and get the pieces themselves.

[Halius]

Whoops double post, and now triple. Sorry!

[Ravager]

The two most important epics for raiding, Ragebringer and Water Sprinkler don't have pieces that drop off any of those mobs.

[Diabolos]

All Tier-R guilds are welcome to join Lord BoB in our quest to destroy whats left of Tier-R tyranny. No guild is second rate to any other. This was Lord BoB's beef behind the rotation since day 1 and has proven to be exactly the case.

All rotation guilds are welcome to open discussions about alliances with Doljonijiarnimorinar. Lets work together against a common foe and take out BDA and Taken once and for all.


Message Hyjal in-game for more details.


^^^^ What He said lol.... You can msg me if he's afk!

[Raev]

Aren't you actually coming up shorter now than you would if you just agreed that there were certain mobs you weren't capable of killing and continued killing the ones you could so that you could eventually kill the others?

1. We don't like being bullied

2. If you don't like zerg guilds, why did you join BDA?

3. This is a troll thread

[Swish]

So I was away for like 8 months. Did you guys ever actually end up killing...you know...anything at all?

They failed a handful of times and plenty jumped ship from pixel starvation iirc :/

[Blaza]

3. This is a troll thread

Lost in the shuffle. +1, excellent trolling.

[Man0warr]

Yeah the epics off VS aren't really a game changer for the raid scene.

Trakanon and Sev for Bard/Warrior epics more important.

[sulious]

Too many rules ---Blow up rotations.... go back to the simple and easy to understand Tiggles enforced raid distribution system.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70630&highlight=Mystical+order+dragon

[Swish]

Too many rules ---Blow up rotations.... go back to the simple and easy to understand Tiggles enforced raid distribution system.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70630&highlight=Mystical+order+dragon

Looked at page 1, cba to look further... sum it all up for us sulious.

[Diabolos]

BDA isn't a merger guild because nobody in their right mind would ever want to merge with such deluded brand of nincompoops.
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll63/silentenrage/man-boob-selfie-fail.jpg (http://s285.photobucket.com/user/silentenrage/media/man-boob-selfie-fail.jpg.html)

[Blaza]

God lets just kill the rotation and go back to competing...you know, when shit used to be fun?

Now its just login, leisurely stroll to a dragon, wait for stragglers for 30 mins, merk said dragon down, distribute loot.

Borrrrrrrrrrrrrrring.

With FFA and lockouts at least there would be some racing and general skill involved.

Or just kick it all the way back to 96 hr window FFAs. New players don't know how easy they got it.

[Juevento]

Ever since Cucumbers nerfed the warrior epic proflc rate to an unclassically low number, warrior epic is as good as dual yaks for warriors.

Bard epics are nice for DPS increase but not totally necessary for raiding. We certainly got by ok without them.

[sulious]

God lets just kill the rotation and go back to competing...you know, when shit used to be fun?

Now its just login, leisurely stroll to a dragon, wait for stragglers for 30 mins, merk said dragon down, distribute loot.

Borrrrrrrrrrrrrrring.

With FFA and lockouts at least there would be some racing and general skill involved.

Or just kick it all the way back to 96 hr window FFAs. New players don't know how easy they got it.

*this
<--Don't give a shit though I'm retired.... Just here for the forums....

[kaev]

Tempest in a teapot. Lotta sound and fury, but almost none of it creative or interesting after the initial rush to troll. Time to put the popcorn away, stretch, get my work done and hope this evening's show is better.

[Cecily]

God lets just kill the rotation and go back to competing...you know, when shit used to be fun?

Now its just login, leisurely stroll to a dragon, wait for stragglers for 30 mins, merk said dragon down, distribute loot.

Borrrrrrrrrrrrrrring.

With FFA and lockouts at least there would be some racing and general skill involved.

Or just kick it all the way back to 96 hr window FFAs. New players don't know how easy they got it.

Somewhere along the line equity for all became increasing our equity.

[Juevento]

Tempest in a teapot. Lotta sound and fury, but almost none of it creative or interesting after the initial rush to troll. Time to put the popcorn away, stretch, get my work done and hope this evening's show is better.

Just wait TIL we snatch up all the class R mobs next week.

[Blaza]

Somewhere along the line equity for all became increasing our equity.

How so? In a race situation, and with the prevalent attitudes of 'BDA suxxor', wouldn't there be a chance BDA would not win races for mobs?

No rotation gives everyone a fair shot, and to the best players go the spoils. Or the most dedicated. Its not like we are talking Velious mobs.....every guild in R can kill these 32k pussies, so not having a rotation would still ensure every guild has a shot at the mob. They would just have to out-play their opponents.

[Cecily]

You're just old TMO, hiding from TMO in your class R bubble. Let the people who need the handicap have it. Come to C scum bags.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKfupO4ZzPs

[Blaza]

You're just old TMO, hiding from TMO in your class R bubble. Let the people who need the handicap have it. Come to C scum bags.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKfupO4ZzPs

You're talking to the only BDA officer who wanted to stay in class C. At least that I recall (may have been another?). The majority wanna play in AAA, and not have to be as cutthroat as most of C. Which is fine. But the rotation is bloated and past its point.

You could say that the rotation ensured smaller guilds could compete with larger ones by ensuring that they get kitted out with gear on an equal pace as larger. They have had a year to get their gear and get the encounters down. Let's kick the training wheels off and see what they got.

[Blaza]

You're just old TMO, hiding from TMO in your class R bubble. Let the people who need the handicap have it. Come to C scum bags.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKfupO4ZzPs

+1 for Hellraiser clip.

[Tenlaar]

You could say that the rotation ensured smaller guilds could compete with larger ones by ensuring that they get kitted out with gear on an equal pace as larger. They have had a year to get their gear and get the encounters down. Let's kick the training wheels off and see what they got.

Did I miss the part where class R went from "we don't want to play that way" to "we don't want to play that way until we have better gear" or are you just saying what YOU want to be true?

[Ella'Ella]

You're talking to the only BDA officer who wanted to stay in class C.

If you wanted to be in Class-C, why are you still in Class-R?

Apply today,

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[Blaza]

It was a logical assumption, I was on hiatus when the rotation formed so I couldn't tell you the reasoning behind it.

But a common complaint when competing is: we can't beat soandso, they have all raid gear and we're stuck with quested, etc.

So one of the barriers to competing has been resolved by ensuring somewhat equal gearing of characters.

And they also now have requisite experience to pull off encounters without issue.

So the real reason the rotation could still be argued for is:

"we do not want to race other guilds for mobs"

In which case, what are they going to do for Velious? Should it ever exist on this server.

And what is the fun in knowing that you can derp your way through an encounter as there is no pressure on?

[Blaza]

If you wanted to be in Class-C, why are you still in Class-R?

Apply today,

http://tmoguild.org/phpBB3/application.php

Under skills can I put "Won drunken arguments with Chest?"

[Kekephee]

It was a logical assumption, I was on hiatus when the rotation formed so I couldn't tell you the reasoning behind it.

But a common complaint when competing is: we can't beat soandso, they have all raid gear and we're stuck with quested, etc.

So one of the barriers to competing has been resolved by ensuring somewhat equal gearing of characters.

And they also now have requisite experience to pull off encounters without issue.

So the real reason the rotation could still be argued for is:

"we do not want to race other guilds for mobs"

In which case, what are they going to do for Velious? Should it ever exist on this server.

And what is the fun in knowing that you can derp your way through an encounter as there is no pressure on?


It wasn't so much about gear as it was the fact that we're all of us 30-50 year olds playing a nostalgia game to relive our teenage years, and it's hard to really enjoy your sad midlife crisis nostalgia game when you can't actually do any of the fights because one group of nerds is willing to sit at spawn points for a week clicking their mouse so as soon as the dragon spawns they can tag him. The rotation was about giving everyone *who could kill mobs* a chance to kill those mobs so we could all feel young again. It wasn't about people starting guilds with 8 people and being handed a spot on the waiting list so they could get help from bigger guilds to kill mobs every time it was their turn.

[Kekephee]

I should amend that last statement to something like "within reason, I don't think anyone sees any problem with small guilds getting in on the action. BDA helps smaller guilds with shit all the time and no one has any complaint about it. Like Raev is talking up a storm about what bad guys we are, but I remember a really rough Trak raid that A-team needed help on because they couldn't field the numbers. I don't recall BDA being a bunch of awful monsters then."

Not that A-team is a smaller guild or incapable of killing Trak. I mean that's really part of the point, is everyone needs a little help from time to time, and the whole familial aspect of class R was nice because people were getting to play the game who otherwise would be stuck in Karnor's all day choosing between staying with their friends and apping to a bigger guild so they could kill shit.

[Kekephee]

Pretty good propaganda! A few points I'd like to touch on:

A) I know of one person who does this. I'm sure there's more, but we're talking serious minority. You don't get that much loot.
B) You're not fun to play against. No one is joining R on an alt for the pleasure of competing with you guys.


That's exactly what someone who has an alt in Omni would say!

[kaev]

... The rotation was about giving everyone *who could kill mobs* a chance to kill those mobs so we could all feel young again. It wasn't about people starting guilds with 8 people and being handed a spot on the waiting list so they could get help from bigger guilds to kill mobs every time it was their turn.

Apparently some people missed the memo.

[Blaza]

I should amend that last statement to something like "within reason, I don't think anyone sees any problem with small guilds getting in on the action. BDA helps smaller guilds with shit all the time and no one has any complaint about it. Like Raev is talking up a storm about what bad guys we are, but I remember a really rough Trak raid that A-team needed help on because they couldn't field the numbers. I don't recall BDA being a bunch of awful monsters then."

Not that A-team is a smaller guild or incapable of killing Trak. I mean that's really part of the point, is everyone needs a little help from time to time, and the whole familial aspect of class R was nice because people were getting to play the game who otherwise would be stuck in Karnor's all day choosing between staying with their friends and apping to a bigger guild so they could kill shit.

Raev is a world class troll, I wouldn't take anything he says too seriously.

[jpetrick]

This one time BDA couldn't kill Trak on a weekday morning so Argh, Loraen and I led your raid for you. WHAT HAPPENED TO US BEING FRIENDS BDA?

[Ella'Ella]

Under skills can I put "Won drunken arguments with Chest?"

Chest Erotica -

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[skipdog]

Serious miscasting of shit going on in that post. How about the "pixel lust" of small guilds riding the coattails of larger guilds so that they can distribute pixels from easier & more desirable targets amongst a smaller pool than if they were in a guild capable of actually doing all the content?

You want the loots? Man up and form a large enough force to actually kill the tough mobs and (here's the key part:) then share the "loot pinata" pixels amongst all of the players required to actually earn your place at the table.

The greed and the abuse here are coming 99% from the smaller guilds crying because they want guaranteed pixels at the expense of the players in the larger guilds.

ROFL yeah those 3 shared kills/month that some smaller guilds teamed up for really must've stung you guys bad!!! Seriously, it's so little loot compared to the big picture, its basically inconsequential. Basically you guys are crying because a few mobs/month, some smaller guilds killed a mob instead of wiping for 4 hours with too few numbers. Who cares???

The 'pixel lust' of smaller guilds?? It's hilarious what you guys believe.