End of the rotation?

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Round and Round we go - the SPIN is so grand....you are a fucking idiot.

IB / TMO have had 66% of the dragon/god pixels + 100% of the VP pixels for the last year. Before that IB / TMO had 90% of the dragon/god pixels + 100% of the VP pixels for the previous four years.

You stated that there isn't enough loot to be spread of to ib/tmo in class C.

Then you say BDA has enough VP keys to compete somehow after rotating for a year in a bloated rotation? We have exactly the same amount that every single other class R guild has plus the 20 we had before the rotation.

Get the fuck out and come with something stronger you ignorant piece of shit.

http://i45.tinypic.com/24ysm00.jpg

[Psionide]

Round and Round we go - the SPIN is so grand....you are a fucking idiot.

IB / TMO have had 66% of the dragon/god pixels + 100% of the VP pixels for the last year. Before that IB / TMO had 90% of the dragon/god pixels + 100% of the VP pixels for the previous four years.

You stated that there isn't enough loot to be spread of to ib/tmo in class C.

Then you say BDA has enough VP keys to compete somehow after rotating for a year in a bloated rotation? We have exactly the same amount that every single other class R guild has plus the 20 we had before the rotation.

Get the fuck out and come with something stronger you ignorant piece of shit.

Dayuuummmmmmm

[arsenalpow]

well it's the fucking truth, bunch of a fucking TMO spin doctors claiming that big bad BDA are hypocrites, it's all horseshit

we spearheaded the rotation, and now we're attempting to spearhead a tighter rotation with more specific guidelines instead of just going straight FFA

[ClownGuild]

well it's the fucking truth, bunch of a fucking TMO spin doctors claiming that big bad BDA are hypocrites, it's all horseshit

we spearheaded the rotation, and now we're attempting to spearhead a tighter rotation with more specific guidelines instead of just going straight FFA

Hypocrite is exactly what you are. You are raising the barrier for entry to the rotation instead of advancing to the next tier to keep that content open for the smaller and newer guilds. You don't need tighter restrictions. You need to stop having 2 or 3 guilds big enough to advance to Class C stop trying to protect their pixels from those pesky smaller guilds.

[Ravager]

Then you say BDA has enough VP keys to compete somehow after rotating for a year in a bloated rotation? We have exactly the same amount that every single other class R guild has plus the 20 we had before the rotation.

Minus the ones that went with Omni, so we probably have the same number as other R guilds.

[Swish]

well it's the fucking truth, bunch of a fucking TMO spin doctors claiming that big bad BDA are hypocrites, it's all horseshit

we spearheaded the rotation, and now we're attempting to spearhead a tighter rotation with more specific guidelines instead of just going straight FFA

"we're helping to prepare the rotation for Velious encounters"

https://i.imgur.com/tjxnOt5.gif

[radditsu]

Having enterance kills are good but gore kills are dumb.


Kill all the royals, in one raid...get in first rank. Talendor for 2nd rank. Or check out my hermain cain plan.

[Nuktari]

Y'all bickering like a bunch of high school girls.

Remember, it's only a 15 year old elf sim, not real life.

http://media1.giphy.com/media/FumlhITcWNl9C/200.gif

[Ravager]

That's not a bad idea. Gore is just sticky for being disproportionately harder than everything else. Maybe just make Gore ffa always or make Gore tier 3 and have Stanos be the test for that rotation.

[radditsu]

Y'all bickering like a bunch of high school girls.

Remember, it's only a 15 year old elf sim, not real life.

http://media1.giphy.com/media/FumlhITcWNl9C/200.gif

The last time she looked hot. She looks like someone pulled skin over my knee now.

[Argh]

The last time she looked hot. She looks like someone pulled skin over my knee now.

Sounds like I'd fuck your knee

[radditsu]

Sounds like I'd fuck your knee

It is pretty sexy:

http://i.imgur.com/ymon1sV.jpg

[Absolution]

This legs has been powered by Mcdonald

[radditsu]

This legs has been powered by Mcdonald

I have gained a few since the kid was born. I gained and lost 30 lbs when my first boy was born. just got to the point i can get back into running again.


http://i.imgur.com/2xvCvEQ.jpg


Better?

[Detoxx]

The good question in my opinion should be : Why Dannyl left TME so fast ?

Cause your guild is a mix of worse players & legendary known douche bags ?
Cause your zerg guild cannot event compete IB with half less players ?

So many various answers could probably explain why he left so fast your trash guild.

How sad that you tried hard to recruit him for only few days in ROFL.

Lol this coming from the guild that wiped to every easy dragon in VP because they couldnt get more than 28 players while we swept it with 28 or less ourselves. Clearly you dont rely on zerging. Funny to talk shit now considering the 3 weeks before last you all killed a total of about 6 mobs

[radditsu]

Fe joining TMO was a poor decision

[bigsykedaddy]

The good question in my opinion should be : Why Dannyl left TME so fast ?

Cause your guild is a mix of worse players & legendary known douche bags ?
Cause your zerg guild cannot event compete IB with half less players ?

So many various answers could probably explain why he left so fast your trash guild.

How sad that you tried hard to recruit him for only few days in ROFL.

Lol our guild is awesome now. I hate to tell you guys that these mob windows happen to occur during work week hours. Contrary to popular belief, most of our guild have full time jobs. Call it what you want, but this always happens we go back and forth every week. What Detoxx said was true too, IB just this week got their first PD kill, and gratz to them along with all the other mobs they got this week. We got smoked and so be it, the same will happen to them one week too. Just how it goes.

[kurtis]

Lol this coming from the guild that wiped to every easy dragon in VP because they couldnt get more than 28 players while we swept it with 28 or less ourselves. Clearly you dont rely on zerging. Funny to talk shit now considering the 3 weeks before last you all killed a total of about 6 mobs

I know being the head of the TMO spin team, you have to say bullshit like this, but come on now. Just throwing out blatant fucking lies isn't even throwing any effort into it.

[Detoxx]

I know being the head of the TMO spin team, you have to say bullshit like this, but come on now. Just throwing out blatant fucking lies isn't even throwing any effort into it.

Not sure who you are, and that goes to credibility. You have 0, anon troll.

[arsenalpow]

I have gained a few since the kid was born. I gained and lost 30 lbs when my first boy was born. just got to the point i can get back into running again.
Better?
I fucked up my heel running last week. Shit has been sore everyday since and I've been icing it daily. Running isn't fun but being obese is probably worse.

[radditsu]

I fucked up my heel running last week. Shit has been sore everyday since and I've been icing it daily. Running isn't fun but being obese is probably worse.

Mine is a time issue not a desire issue. I aint exactly tearing up the internet anymore either. Kids ruin lives guys. much like TMO ruins servers

[arsenalpow]

Mine is a time issue not a desire issue. I aint exactly tearing up the internet anymore either. Kids ruin lives guys. much like TMO ruins servers

Droppin truth bombs

[Swish]

Has this become about the rotation between running, swimming and rest days?

I see.

[wycca]

...now we're attempting to spearhead a tighter rotation with more specific guidelines instead of just going straight FFA

http://i.imgur.com/oW1PYUc.jpg

[arsenalpow]

Nice flowchart. I'm sure you aren't immersed at all.

[kurtis]

Yeah, because the document y'all drafted up didn't scream total immersion or anything.

[radditsu]

Has this become about the rotation between running, swimming and rest days?

I see.

Subtle trolls are the best kind.

[arsenalpow]

Yeah, because the document y'all drafted up didn't scream total immersion or anything.

Just covering our bases since we actually care enough to propose something instead of going straight FFA. Also, I have officers to draft documents like that, I'm just here to be the villain apparently.

[Swish]

http://i.imgur.com/oW1PYUc.jpg

By the way guys....

http://s8.postimg.org/6f7ty3gmd/Untitled.png

[Oleris]

why can't we all get along?

http://i.imgur.com/XDAL1by.png

[kurtis]

Just covering our bases since we actually care enough to propose something instead of going straight FFA. Also, I have officers to draft documents like that, I'm just here to be the villain apparently.

You're not the villain you so desperately want to be. You're just a hypocritical moron.

[Swish]

Chest you updating this now or later? Just curious pal.

We are a casual raid guild with a focus on growing and keeping quality, like-minded players. We are family oriented as opposed to mindless-zerg oriented.

[Eponymous Anonymous]

http://i.imgur.com/oW1PYUc.jpg

Wow, you really do fit in with the trolly neckbeards of TMO. Glad you finally found your place in life finally. It's pretty evident by this flowchart that you have no idea what's actually going on here but desperately trying to stay relevant. Keep reaching, kiddo!

[arsenalpow]

Chest you updating this now or later? Just curious pal.

Why would it need updating? We roll with 30-40 at a raid which is no different from anyone else. You don't have to like the proposal but that doesn't mean you have to act like a jackass.

[Swish]

How does a family oriented guild down a dragon in an hour, especially if its at 4am?

"Sorry honey, I've got to creep past the kids bedroom to turn the computer on for elfsim dragon pixels. I know its 4am, I'm sorry... I love you"

Definitely catering for the mom's basement neckbeards now.

Doesn't promote P99 in a very good light to casuals either, the rotation before this was a better opportunity for people with restricted play times to get a look at Trakanon and pals.

[arsenalpow]

How does a family oriented guild down a dragon in an hour, especially if its at 4am?

"Sorry honey, I've got to creep past the kids bedroom to turn the computer on for elfsim dragon pixels. I know its 4am, I'm sorry... I love you"

Definitely catering for the mom's basement neckbeards now.

Doesn't promote P99 in a very good light to casuals either, the rotation before this was a better opportunity for people with restricted play times to get a look at Trakanon and pals.

We have non American players. I know that's a hard concept for you to grasp.

[Detoxx]

How does a family oriented guild down a dragon in an hour, especially if its at 4am?

"Sorry honey, I've got to creep past the kids bedroom to turn the computer on for elfsim dragon pixels. I know its 4am, I'm sorry... I love you"

Definitely catering for the mom's basement neckbeards now.

Doesn't promote P99 in a very good light to casuals either, the rotation before this was a better opportunity for people with restricted play times to get a look at Trakanon and pals.

I think i'd point more to the blind hate and vitriol spewed from a 35 year old "adult" who can let a grudge go against a guild that is completely different than the guild that he brainwashes his members to hate. In fact, a lot of this said guild is mostly ex-members of his own guild or were associated with BDA at some point. Irony is a wonderful thing, isnt it?

On a side note, as you've mentioned several times, you blacklist all TMO, dont res, dont port, etc etc because because you have the maturity of a child, yet if someone keeps you off a list in chardok you threaten to bring your brainwashed cronies in to "take over chardok" because you feel they don't have the right to keep you off an aoe list. Irony is a wonderful thing, isnt it?

[wycca]

Wow, you really do fit in with the trolly neckbeards of TMO. Glad you finally found your place in life finally. It's pretty evident by this flowchart that you have no idea what's actually going on here but desperately trying to stay relevant. Keep reaching, kiddo!

I think everyone has a good idea of exactly what's going on.

Remember kids, if you can't attack the logic, attack the person.

[Kekephee]

All you have to do is type "ALL DEBUNKED" next to a list of arguments and the entire thread doesn't even matter the other guy fucking LOSES

[Swish]

All you have to do is type "ALL DEBUNKED" next to a list of arguments and the entire thread doesn't even matter the other guy fucking LOSES

Nice to see Chest sent some backup in, pretty fail tho so far.

[wycca]

All you have to do is type "ALL DEBUNKED" next to a list of arguments and the entire thread doesn't even matter the other guy fucking LOSES

Yeah, especially when it's true.

+1

[Argh]

If you can't kill Gore why should be excepted from anything other than Gore? Serious question.

[Kekephee]

Yeah, especially when it's true.

+1

May as well close this thread now, this guy says it's true

[Argh]

If you can't kill Gore why should you be excepted from anything other than Gore? Serious question.

Now even more serious

[Soandso]

Can someone explain why guilds are against sharing a rotation slot if they both downed said mob? Seems like it should be common sense that if 2 guilds ally to kill a mob then both should be dropped down.

[Argh]

Can someone explain why guilds are against sharing a rotation slot if they both downed said mob? Seems like it should be common sense that if 2 guilds ally to kill a mob then both should be dropped down.

Thats not what people are against. What BDA/Taken/Div want is that if 2 guilds kill Gore (or any mob) together they're now one guild and have to do every mob together from now until forever.

[wycca]

If you can't kill Gore why should be excepted from anything other than Gore? Serious question.

Obvious Answer - You shouldn't be excepted from any other mob - duh?

BDA Answer - Allsortsofshitflungatwalltoseewhatsticksuntilweres orttojustttackingpeoplewhodisagreewithus. Ohfuckitletsspamthethreaduntilpeopleforgethowlamew elooked20pagesagowhenwegotcalledoutforthelieswespe wed.

What everyone who has ever been on FAP that isn't in BDA/Taken/Divinity will tell you - It's all about getting more pixels for BDA/Taken/Divinity.

[Soandso]

Oh well that is fucking stupid.

[Swish]

I have to admit, I think if 2+ guilds show up for a dragon then they should probably both get kicked to the bottom for the sake of getting the rotation moving along.

Shame some folks got greedy though and knew they could fulfil their own proposal while not giving a shit whether some of the smaller guilds struggle.

...and Argh, its because Gore can be an asshole and represents BDA's best chance of getting strikes against the other guilds. They know this, they won't admit to it though because we all have to dance along and pretend these changes are in the smaller guilds best interests, particularly in regard to helping prep for Velious raid target races.

If BDA gave a shit about other guilds they'd make a couple of minor adjustments to the current rotation at most (see first paragraph) rather than attempting to get more for themselves with this shit :p

Let keep nodding along to this though as BDA and Taken alts all tool up in the months ahead.

BDA - the family oriented guild that shuts out other family oriented guilds.

[wycca]

Thats not what people are against. What BDA/Taken/Div want is that if 2 guilds kill Gore (or any mob) together they're now one guild and have to do every mob together from now until forever.

Can't kill Gore at 3am? Want a partner? Now you must kill Maestro together....no matter if it can be duo'd by a competent pair.

Can anyone say with a straight face that this crap isn't about increasing pixel flows to BDA/Taken/Divinity?

[Argh]

if we wanted more pixels, we wouldn't voluntarily rotate every mob in class R with ten guilds...which we have for the last year.

https://thesituationist.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/altruism1.jpg

[Argh]

Can anyone say with a straight face that this crap isn't about increasing pixel flows to BDA/Taken/Divinity?

No, didn't you know that the smaller guilds have been pulling the strings in FAP for so long implementing rules weighted in their favor to game the system, even though under every different ruleset (blackouts, mulligans, etc) Taken/BDA/Divinity have gotten more mobs than everyone else?

[wycca]

if we wanted more pixels, we wouldn't voluntarily rotate every mob in class R with ten guilds...which we have for the last year.

Unless you ALSO want protected, competition-free pixels...then it all fits. Which is also why the entire new proposal also makes complete sense as long as you keep those two things in mind. The heart of your new non-negotiable proposals is, after all, walled gardens to keep the best pixels out of the hands of the smaller guilds, and all 100% competition-free. This is why you aren't in Class C, and instead why you're trying to bully smaller Class R guilds into giving up the best mobs unless they meet your crazy demands.

[Swish]

Unless you ALSO want protected, competition-free pixels...then it all fits. Which is also why the entire new proposal also makes complete sense as long as you keep those two things in mind. The heart of your new non-negotiable proposals is, after all, walled gardens to keep the best pixels out of the hands of the smaller guilds, and all 100% competition-free. This is why you aren't in Class C, and instead why you're trying to bully smaller Class R guilds into giving up the best mobs unless they meet your crazy demands.

[Detoxx]

If you can't kill Gore why should be excepted from anything other than Gore? Serious question.

I said this a few pages ago. If they can't kill Gore and Tal, take em off the rotation for those mobs. No reason they cant continue to kill sev, inny, CT, trak, vs, etc. This is why it looks like you guys are trying to snatch more pixels. Dont fault the other guilds because the devs made the hardest mobs have the shittiest loot.

[Detoxx]

if we wanted more pixels, we wouldn't voluntarily rotate every mob in class R with ten guilds...which we have for the last year.

Funny, make it sound like they are your mobs to give away. Sound familiar?

[towbes]

I finally made it to the end of this thread and I still am not sure what I believe. But thanks for helping me waste an hour of work time!

+1

[Throndor]

How can 3/10 guilds disband the rotation? Why don't the other 7 of you just say we have a majority vote that says the rotation is still intact. Failing to continue to abide by previously agreed upon rotation is a violation of the rotation agreement you entered into and as such is grounds for raid suspension per GM reinforced Class R Raid policies.

You're in class R, you chose to be in Class R, there's no other choice but to move up to class C or fade into obscurity. How does 3/10 guild decision to opt-out of the agreed upon raid nuances constitute a ruling vote for the dissolution of the Class R raid rotation entirely, and if the CLass R raid rotation was made to ensure an equitable distribution than how does it justify its continued existence while violating the premise upon which it was created?

If you dissolve the rotation, you dissolve the tier entirely and the server is 100% class C. Otherwise ur just saying you deserve to quarantine 33% of the raid content from TMO and IB to split amongst the three of you, and to hell with the other 7 guilds upon which the rotation was founded to support.

[Fianna]

Throndor, while the class system (C,R,FFA) is GM enforced, the rotation in R is not. Basically BDA, Taken and Divinity are saying if the other guilds do not agree, they will just kill everything in R themselves.

[Culkasi]

I guess the question is how long TMO/IB would be okay with BDA/Taken potentially taking up 1/9th of all loot "uncontested" versus the 1/6 TMO/IB get - the gap between R and C suddenly became significantly shorter, without making R nearly as cutthroat as C is.

Anyway, its been a very sad week, and I appreciate that to many people on the server its a good laugh - but we have collectively worked very hard for this in the past year, and like anything good, its sad to see it dissolve, for whatever reason, and see much of the hard work put into building relationships and making it work be tossed aside because we can't find a common ground.

[Fanguru]

You do not understand the situation, Throndor.

The rotation is a player-made agreement, it is not GM-enforced and GMs have said numerous times they do not like the rotation and feel class R guilds should compete among themselves.

The current system does not "ensure an equitable distribution" since small guilds can currently ally themselves, making one kill force with 2 or 3 guilds, yet keeping 2 or 3 turns in the rotation.

BDA, Taken and Divinity don't want to prevent smaller guilds from killing mobs, they want to encourage alliances and mergers within smaller guilds.

[Fanguru]

I guess the question is how long TMO/IB would be okay with BDA/Taken potentially taking up 1/9th of all loot "uncontested" versus the 1/6 TMO/IB get - the gap between R and C suddenly became significantly shorter, without making R nearly as cutthroat as C is.

TMO and IB have no say in the matter.
Also there are still lockouts in class-R, so BDA and Taken would not get all the mobs.

[Swish]

I guess the question is how long TMO/IB would be okay with BDA/Taken potentially taking up 1/9th of all loot "uncontested" versus the 1/6 TMO/IB get

I think that's a good point. If R fully collapsed I think the C guilds will be coming for dem pixels and we'd be back to the 'wild west'. How would they expect the GMs to enforce a class that doesn't exist anymore, I wonder?

"guys wait, it's still a rotation... but its FFA" - makes no sense whatsoever ;)

The question is perhaps whether BDA/Taken/Divinity will risk going down that road. Most likely all 10 guilds lose because pals who used to run the show want pixels for their alts.

Interested to see where this goes, I don't think they've thought it through.

[thieros]

class R cant kill vp mobs. so nahhhh

[Swish]

Also there are still lockouts in class-R, so BDA and Taken would not get all the mobs.

Assuming the rotation still exists of course. If it collapses, what then? Everything would (should) be FFA, and we'll all see less.

There seems to be a lot of banking on the fact that we'd still have a 2 tier system if there isn't an agreement on this proposal. Would BDA/Taken/Divinity be asking for protection from TMO/IB when they get on their horses to go raiding?

Interesting times...

[Fanguru]

Your inability to understand the situation is baffling.

GMs enforce C/R/FFA.
As far as GMs are concerned, R is basically FFA without TMO/IB and with lockouts.

The rotation in R is a player agreement.
GMs said numerous times they do not like the rotation and prefer competition.
The C/R/FFA system does not rely on the current R rotation.

If the rotation falls, the C/R/FFA system continues.
Anyone in R can take down a R target provided they do not have a lockout on this target.

The only way things completely change is if GMs make a 180° and go back on their positions.
Velious release could also change things with Kunark targets.

[Culkasi]

GMs have also said that if they saw one or more guilds completely locking down R content and blocking other guilds from raid content, they would consider moving said guilds to class C. We will see if they follow up on that.

That said, that shouldn't be the main driver behind dropping this gun-slinger tactics, it should be respect and normal decency towards people who have worked hard, with BDA etc, to make this Class R work so well in the past year.

[arsenalpow]

GMs have also said that if they saw one or more guilds completely locking down R content and blocking other guilds from raid content, they would consider moving said guilds to class C. We will see if they follow up on that.

That said, that shouldn't be the main driver behind dropping this gun-slinger tactics, it should be respect and normal decency towards people who have worked hard, with BDA etc, to make this Class R work so well in the past year.

The lockouts prevent sheer domination of Class R. I think that what people tend to forget is the raiding scale on this server. Are BDA or Taken more raid ready for an FFA scenario than say Europa, maybe. Does that mean BDA or Taken are even close to taking FFA kills from TMO or IB, I know BDA isn't.

The primary goal in C is to get VP kills right? BDA has 53 keyed members on our roster, at least 15 of those are inactive players currently. That means on a batphone we'd need to get damn near 100% turnout from our active VP characters and beat TMO/IB who have over a hundred keyed members each plus 4 years experience doing the content.

The rotation stunted the growth of every class R guild in that regard. I can guarantee you that any class R guild leader will tell you the same. Based on the rotation the rate at which you acquire VP teeth is about equal to the attrition rate of VP keys whether it be losing those members to other guilds or players just quitting. Hell, BDA had two splinter guilds make off with a pile of keys (FE errr TMO, and Omni)

[Argh]

The primary goal in C is to get VP kills right?

How many times have you tried to make the argument that the purpose of C/R is just about differing play styles and nothing else?

[arsenalpow]

How many times have you tried to make the argument that the purpose of C/R is just about differing play styles and nothing else?

I've made the argument plenty of times, the staff has made it perfectly clear that they don't give a fuck about my argument.

[Argh]

I've made the argument plenty of times, the staff has made it perfectly clear that they don't give a fuck about my argument.

So you were/are wrong then?

[Fanguru]

That's compatible. The primary goal for going C is to get VP kills. To get there, a R guild has to sacrifice their playstyle.

[arsenalpow]

So you were/are wrong then?
Idealistically, I'd like to think there's a playstyle difference between class R and class C, and as the past year of the rotation has demonstrated that's probably an accurate statement. I don't want to see the rotation blow up but changes were necessary to make it more fair to the bigger guilds. BDA played peacekeeper and enforcer this entire time with Div/Taken having mindsets that are close to what's just been proposed and everyone else having a mindset closer to the old rotation guidelines.

BDA got tired of playing peacekeeper and we've called for tighter rotation regulations (which is exactly what Divinity/Taken wanted from the beginning) but suddenly we're the hypocrites and destroyers of the rotation. The system had flaws, we want the flaws fixed, simple as that. Unfortunately, being the enforcer is a double edged sword.

That's compatible. The primary goal for going C is to get VP kills. To get there, a R guild has to sacrifice their playstyle.
Basically. Under optimal conditions with people giving out their info to be shared we maximized every single VP account we could get and dropped Hoshkar on our 3rd try. Nexona, we wiped once. Everything else we obliterated in VP. It still doesn't mean we're ready for the shitshow that is IB/TMO VP fights.

[Verenity]

Burn it all to the ground, FFA EQ is the best EQ and you'll feel a shit ton more proud of your accomplishments if you're fighting for your dragon slaying

Disclaimer: this is the opinion of someone who has not actively raided in 2.5 years

[arsenalpow]

Burn it all to the ground, FFA EQ is the best EQ and you'll feel a shit ton more proud of your accomplishments if you're fighting for your dragon slaying

Disclaimer: this is the opinion of someone who has not actively raided in 2.5 years

I'm going to donate your fantasy football winnings to the guildbank if you don't come get it off my mule!!

[Raev]

BDA got tired of playing peacekeeper and we've called for tighter rotation regulations (which is exactly what Divinity/Taken wanted from the beginning) but suddenly we're the hypocrites and destroyers of the rotation. The system had flaws, we want the flaws fixed, simple as that. Unfortunately, being the enforcer is a double edged sword.

No, you played bully. Your only goals were to have some proposal with the letters BDA on it and to be able to hassle the guilds you dislike as much as possible. The A-Team made the following proposal, and it was soundly rejected by BDA and Divinity (Taken at least thought it was a start). Read it and look at how much this actually does:


1. There is a tier system.
2. There are dark hours, and alliances are allowed during dark hours, but will come with a soft penalty. Alliances of any sort are not allowed during light hours.
3. The following penalties apply equally to light and dark hour kills (note that the notation '+X' indicates that the guild will drop X slots in the rotation):

-- +1 penalty across the tier for alliances during dark hours. That guild is not required to maintain this alliance for any subsequent kills. (Alliances during light hours are of course not allowed).
-- If you fail to kill your target within 60 minutes (90 minutes for CT), +1 penalty on that target only.
-- If you fail to kill your target within 3 hours: +4 penalty across the tier, +2 across other tiers and the target now become FFA within class R.
-- If class C kills your mob: +4 penalty across all tiers

Meanwhile BDA's proposal is 3 pages of vague small point lawyering, and a 60 minute engage window on CT. If they don't want to see a guild on tier 3? They can just make a giant mess of fear while Draco is up.

Does that mean BDA or Taken are even close to taking FFA kills from TMO or IB, I know BDA isn't.

We agree, which is why your "accept our three pages of idiocy or else" proposal is mind boggling.

[Formshifter]

The bottom line here is that the rotation fucks up the game, and the rotation exists because people like chest cry because theyre unwilling to put forth the effort, but still want all the pixels.



If youre unwilling to participate in the race, why on earth do you think youre deserving of a trophy? Its like kid's sports teams giving everyone a trophy even when they lose. pretty soon they start to expect it in stead of learning that its something you earn.

[Argh]

I don't want to see the rotation blow up but changes were necessary to make it more fair to the bigger guilds. BDA played peacekeeper and enforcer this entire time with Div/Taken having mindsets that are close to what's just been proposed and everyone else having a mindset closer to the old rotation guidelines.

Yeah, I can tell you guys are super serious about not wanting to blow up the rotation, by officially threatening to blow up the rotation if your list of demands wasn't met.

Have you guys yet come to the conclusion that you are perennially displeased with rules because you are just plain awful at negotiating with people due to the fact that your strategy thus far (the last year+) has been to be skullduggerous condescending cunts in the hopes that everyone will be afraid of your threats and acquiesce to whatever demands you have, rather than establishing a civil rapport with the 7 other guilds you find yourself constantly at odds with?

[Anichek]

Yeah, I can tell you guys are super serious about not wanting to blow up the rotation, by officially threatening to blow up the rotation if your list of demands wasn't met.

Have you guys yet come to the conclusion that you are perennially displeased with rules because you are just plain awful at negotiating with people due to the fact that your strategy thus far (the last year+) has been to be skullduggerous condescending cunts in the hopes that everyone will be afraid of your threats and acquiesce to whatever demands you have, rather than establishing a civil rapport with the 7 other guilds you find yourself constantly at odds with?

What are you talking about, Argh?

BDA's been fucking Switzerland in any other issues internal to Class R, and when we've had to help tip the scales to one side or another to finalize a determination we've sided with "the smalls" - not Div and Taken.

So since this is the first time that BDA is driving for changes, we're tyrannical and shitting on everyone. Well played.

[Argh]

What are you talking about, Argh?

BDA's been fucking Switzerland in any other issues internal to Class R, and when we've had to help tip the scales to one side or another to finalize a determination we've sided with "the smalls" - not Div and Taken.

So since this is the first time that BDA is driving for changes, we're tyrannical and shitting on everyone. Well played.

you=you people

[Blaza]

Yeah, I can tell you guys are super serious about not wanting to blow up the rotation, by officially threatening to blow up the rotation if your list of demands wasn't met.

Have you guys yet come to the conclusion that you are perennially displeased with rules because you are just plain awful at negotiating with people due to the fact that your strategy thus far (the last year+) has been to be skullduggerous condescending cunts in the hopes that everyone will be afraid of your threats and acquiesce to whatever demands you have, rather than establishing a civil rapport with the 7 other guilds you find yourself constantly at odds with?

Goddamn that's some good writing. Say what you will about the content, but that is some flair right there.

[Blaza]

you=you people

What do you mean, you people??????

[Ravager]

Yeah, I can tell you guys are super serious about not wanting to blow up the rotation, by officially threatening to blow up the rotation if your list of demands wasn't met.

Have you guys yet come to the conclusion that you are perennially displeased with rules because you are just plain awful at negotiating with people due to the fact that your strategy thus far (the last year+) has been to be skullduggerous condescending cunts in the hopes that everyone will be afraid of your threats and acquiesce to whatever demands you have, rather than establishing a civil rapport with the 7 other guilds you find yourself constantly at odds with?

Comparing how chest has been responding to you vs how you've been responding to him in this thread, I think you've got it backwards as to who is being more civil when you're calling the people you don't agree with cunts.

[quido]

Class R was a stepping stone for a full BDA Class Welfare system.

[Swish]

What are you talking about, Argh?

BDA's been fucking Switzerland in any other issues internal to Class R.

As long as it suits, right? Already on top but gotta dig for a little more.

You people...

[Argh]

What do you mean, you people??????

http://38.media.tumblr.com/6cd248000a2a42236c23c95fb9da4456/tumblr_mlw4887cQE1s00ervo1_500.gif

[Ravager]

Class R was a stepping stone for a full BDA Class Welfare system.

What is your imaginary pixel bank account up to now? The way you keep posting in threads that should be none of your concern makes me think you need a little validation.

[Argh]

Comparing how chest has been responding to you vs how you've been responding to him in this thread, I think you've got it backwards as to who is being more civil when you're calling the people you don't agree with cunts.

1) If you didn't lack basic read comprehension, you would see that I didn't call him a cunt (I like Chest) but that being a cunt is part of their negotiating tactics.

2) This is rnf you cunt.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

The lockouts prevent sheer domination of Class R. I think that what people tend to forget is the raiding scale on this server. Are BDA or Taken more raid ready for an FFA scenario than say Europa, maybe. Does that mean BDA or Taken are even close to taking FFA kills from TMO or IB, I know BDA isn't.

The primary goal in C is to get VP kills right? BDA has 53 keyed members on our roster, at least 15 of those are inactive players currently. That means on a batphone we'd need to get damn near 100% turnout from our active VP characters and beat TMO/IB who have over a hundred keyed members each plus 4 years experience doing the content.

The rotation stunted the growth of every class R guild in that regard. I can guarantee you that any class R guild leader will tell you the same. Based on the rotation the rate at which you acquire VP teeth is about equal to the attrition rate of VP keys whether it be losing those members to other guilds or players just quitting. Hell, BDA had two splinter guilds make off with a pile of keys (FE errr TMO, and Omni)

Lol, if only BDA had more teeth they'd be right there with us in VP guys. Class R -- give BDA all your teeth, i'm sure TMO would give some too to have another class C guild.

[Swish]

Comparing how chest has been responding to you vs how you've been responding to him in this thread, I think you've got it backwards as to who is being more civil when you're calling the people you don't agree with cunts.

More BDA backup required I think Chest, bring people who can do something more than insult the good people in the blue community and actually make a rational argument for this "proposal"...I've yet to see one.

[Ravager]

More BDA backup required I think Chest, bring people who can do something more than insult the good people in the blue community and actually make a rational argument for this "proposal"...I've yet to see one.

Since when do you care about anything other than red and kitten gifs anyway?

[Swish]

Lol, if only BDA had more teeth they'd be right there with us in VP guys.

I don't think they want to compete or they'd be frantically keying and buying up those Asgard trak teeth rather than moaning about them being for sale.

http://s11.postimg.org/8tyi0vbdv/Untitled.png

[Ravager]

Lol, if only BDA had more teeth they'd be right there with us in VP guys. Class R -- give BDA all your teeth, i'm sure TMO would give some too to have another class C guild.

You guys must be having a tough go of it if you are shopping for another guild to merge with.

[Swish]

Since when do you care about anything other than red and kitten gifs anyway?

More Swish bashing? Lets keep this about the proposal you guys cooked up.

[Phantasm]

Seriously I think you fucks need to enjoy this game, remove head from bunghole, and appreciate what you already have.

PEOPLE DON'T EVEN PLAY AND THEY STILL BITCH
Try actually playing the game instead of maximizing #gainslz(lulz I'm a dreamer) and maybe you'll remember why you started playing in the first place

[Blaza]

Class R is dumb
Class C is dumb

Bring back 96 hr variance and no classes. Shit's Classic.

[Tasslehofp99]

Class R is dumb
Class C is dumb

Bring back 96 hr variance and no classes. Shit's Classic.

Actually variance is not classic at all.

[Tasslehofp99]

Lol, if only BDA had more teeth they'd be right there with us in VP guys. Class R -- give BDA all your teeth, i'm sure TMO would give some too to have another class C guild.

Again, do you think BDA has any less teeth than FE did when we entered VP vs TMO?

That's a bullshit excuse from BDA, if they claim to not have enough teeth.

[Raev]

Lost in all the BDA spin: The A-Team's proposal gave them everything they wanted . . . except it didn't say BDA and it didn't let them hassle Omni. Result: instant rejection.

This is not about improving the situation for Class R in the long run. This is about BDA maintaining their image as the top dog in Class R.

Most of the time I like Chest, but the guy is a bulldog. When he decides he is going to do something, he refuses to change his position, no matter how silly that position is.

[Man0warr]

Chest already gave you exact number of teeth we have.

[Ravager]

Again, do you think BDA has any less teeth than FE did when we entered VP vs TMO?

That's a bullshit excuse from BDA, if they claim to not have enough teeth.

FE was only competing against one guild, not two. FE had the option to train the shit out of their competition. FE could poopsock any and all Trakanons for more keys. But you're right. Same thing.

[Swish]

FE was only competing against one guild, not two. FE had the option to train the shit out of their competition. FE could poopsock any and all Trakanons for more keys. But you're right. Same thing.


http://s11.postimg.org/8tyi0vbdv/Untitled.png

holy shit, the thought of competing with 2 guilds for a dragon.

[Absolution]

Class R is dumb
Class C is dumb

Bring back 96 hr variance and no classes. Shit's Classic.

Go away idiot

[Ravager]

holy shit, the thought of competing with 2 guilds for a dragon.

Says the guy coming from red.

[Blaza]

holy shit, the thought of competing with 2 guilds for a dragon.

If the rotation falls apart, we'd be competing against 8.....

[Blaza]

Actually variance is not classic at all.

Its p99 classic. But yes, you are correct.

[Anichek]

Lost in all the BDA spin: The A-Team's proposal gave them everything they wanted . . . except it didn't say BDA and it didn't let them hassle Omni. Result: instant rejection.

This is not about improving the situation for Class R in the long run. This is about BDA maintaining their image as the top dog in Class R.

Most of the time I like Chest, but the guy is a bulldog. When he decides he is going to do something, he refuses to change his position, no matter how silly that position is.

I tried to understand that proposal - the fault in it (baseline) is that guilds getting a penalization/setback don't have the opportunity to have that expire or earn it back, thereby not meeting the guidelines set forth by Sirken in the emergency Skype meeting.

Other than that, I was willing to review it and get into more details...but to have something in there that Staff would view as too tough of a penalty or as a true barrier to entry would mean we can't put it into place in the first place.

[Man0warr]

Lost in all the BDA spin: The A-Team's proposal gave them everything they wanted . . . except it didn't say BDA and it didn't let them hassle Omni. Result: instant rejection.

Did your proposal do away with temporary alliances that still resulted in said guilds taking up their own slots in the rotation?

[Raev]

Of course they do, Anichek. If you drop a slot in the rotation, as you wait you will gradually move back up. Also there is no barrier to entry; if they wish to join a tier they can just say so and be put on the list. If they fail their kills, they will drop slots. NP.

And Shiroe, the answer is that they can still ally temporarily, but they will be penalized for it by dropping rotation slots. I posted the whole thing a few pages back.

[Anichek]

Of course they do, Anichek. If you drop a slot in the rotation, as you wait you will gradually move back up. Also there is no barrier to entry; if they wish to join a tier they can just say so and be put on the list. If they fail their kills, they will drop slots. NP.

And Shiroe, the answer is that they can still ally temporarily, but they will be penalized for it by dropping rotation slots. I posted the whole thing a few pages back.

If they swing and miss majorly, they can be penalized up to 4 slots...with no expiration on that newly assessed wait.

Did A-Team have backing from other small guilds on this proposal before presenting? I didn't see anything vocalized on the FAP boards.

[Argh]

If they swing and miss majorly, they can be penalized up to 4 slots...with no expiration on that newly assessed wait.

How does that not expire the next time you kill the mob?

[Ravager]

It'll be a Groundhog's Day Miracle if a rotation agreement is negotiated in good faith in RnF.

[Raev]

Our proposal was not the "official" one. But most of the people we showed it to liked it.

Anichek, the point is that once you have waited out your penalty period it is gone. Nothing remains. It's not permanent. What is the point of a penalty if you can just have it erased later? This is, BTW, yet another reason I dislike the BDA proposal. The A-Team is not going to fail Gorenaire or any other mob 3x in a row, and when you figured that out you would be back at the table for another round of exhausting negotiations.

[Raev]

It'll be a Groundhog's Day Miracle if a rotation agreement is negotiated in good faith in RnF.

If you had access to FAP, you might reconsider that. There is, if anything, more flaming going on there.

Anyway, Taken was trying to bully us into accepting this proposal last night. Let me just copy and paste some of my response:

What we are against is BDA's proposal. Among other things:

No spare time to kill FFA mobs or Nobles on rumbles if you have an R mob up
Encourages guilds to hassle their enemies by hanging around and waiting for 1 hour to pass, breeding discord
1 hour engage means everyone has to camp out toons, track hard, and basically poopsock anyway
New guilds trying out for the rotation (CT is the gatekeeper in V.5) could get fucked by IB/TMO training around for the FFA Dracoliche and wasting half of their timer
New guilds have to kill Draco and Maestro 24/7
Does not actually shrink the rotation in Tier 3, because no one will fail to kill Gorenaire 3x in a row
Probably has more problems hiding in its 3 pages of small font text, but I found more than enough in my quick reading


We are quite willing to compromise here. We made a VERY reasonable proposal that gives you just about everything you want (although, we are probably going to amend it to make it more favorable to us). But you are not going to bully us into taking this very bad proposal, and we aren't going to break the rotation. You are going to have to decide whether you would rather go Rogue or take a proposal without your name on it that does not allow you to hassle guilds you dislike, but does substantially accelerate the rotation for guilds that execute correctly.

[Ravager]

I've got no say in this. Nobody ever listens to me anyway. I'm just killing time here like everyone else.

[Blaza]

I've got no say in this. Nobody ever listens to me anyway. I'm just killing time here like everyone else.

[derpcake]

If you had access to FAP, you might reconsider that. There is, if anything, more flaming going on there.

Are we seriously discussing with someone that lacks acces to FAP?

What has the world come to.

No really, blue seems fun though.

[MaksimMazor]

BDA ruining the server

[Tiggles]

What I want to know is.

What happens if BDA and Taken opt out of the rotation and FFA every mob they can.

Do the other guilds have the resources available to fight back against this?

It seems like they hold all the leverage here and the only thing the other guilds have is forum whining.

If you can't show them you can and will compete against them then they will put you into what ever plan they devise.

[Absolution]

What I want to know is.

What happens if BDA and Taken opt out of the rotation and FFA every mob they can.

Do the other guilds have the resources available to fight back against this?

It seems like they hold all the leverage here and the only thing the other guilds have is forum whining.

If you can't show them you can and will compete against them then they will put you into what ever plan they devise.

Never see any FFA target killed by BDA (except few one with simulated repop).

[Mendo]

No Rotation = A bad thing for BDA

[Nuktari]

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Rebel+alliance_a4d6b6_4246244.jpg

[Tiggles]

Never see any FFA target killed by BDA (except few one with simulated repop).

I'm not talking about FFA mobs when Class C is competing as well. Of Course BDA could not hack that.

I'm talking about killing other guilds Class R mobs instead of adhering to a rotation. Could you reliably race BDA AND Taken for a chance at Trakanon?

[sanforce]

u still argueing over PvE mob sharing?

what a loser lol since 2010

Mob sharing was forced on the PVE server by the incessant whining of a bunch of a lazy pixel starved individuals. If the class system didn't exist, everyone knows that the Class R guilds would be sharing about 1% of the loot, instead of the 33% they currently get via P99 bread lines.

[Whirled]

http://www.myfacewhen.net/uploads/2120-finn-wat.jpg

[sanforce]

not sure the point of this reply but u basically just made blue sound x10 more pathetic

Oh, I play on Red too, they both have problems. But yea, playing an elf simulator that was released in 1999 is pretty pathetic, /agree. I just wish this elf sim was slightly more classic and run by the players instead of the staff. More rules = less fun.

[Schwing]

regurgitating "pixels" and "neckbeards" and "poopsocking" over and over and over makes for quality reading

[Tiggles]

regurgitating "pixels" and "neckbeards" and "poopsocking" over and over and over makes for quality reading

It's all they know how to do. Don't take that away from them.

[Raev]

I'm not talking about FFA mobs when Class C is competing as well. Of Course BDA could not hack that.

I'm talking about killing other guilds Class R mobs instead of adhering to a rotation. Could you reliably race BDA AND Taken for a chance at Trakanon?

BDA does not do FFA mobs, which is why they are so interested in squeezing the rotation. It's also why their threats to go rogue ring so hollow.

Taken does FFA mobs with reasonable success, but they have not done FFA Trakanon.

My prediction at this point is that R ends up being a roughly 4-way tie: Gimpatron, Taken, AG/Asgard/Europa/MC, BDA/Divinity.

[Tiggles]

BDA does not do FFA mobs, which is why they are so interested in squeezing the rotation. It's also why their threats to go rogue ring so hollow.

Taken does FFA mobs with reasonable success, but they have not done FFA Trakanon.

My prediction at this point is that R ends up being a roughly 4-way tie: Gimpatron, Taken, AG/Asgard/Europa/MC, BDA/Divinity.

Thanks for the explanation.

Do you think BDA doesn't go after FFA mobs due to competition with class C? or because they don't have the motivation/manpower?

If they did go rogue do you think they could compete on Class R mobs outside of rotation while still ignoring FFA mobs that would draw them into competition with Class C

[Man0warr]

1 hour engage means everyone has to camp out toons, track hard, and basically poopsock anyway

If you can't mobilize and kill any mob outside of VP within an hour with no competition, then your guild is completely fucked in a month or whatever Velious hits after Mischief is debugged.

That's the major thrust behind this. What are the small guilds going to do when the classes are gone? Better to figure it out now than later.

3 hour engages have made every Class R guild bad.

[Argh]

My prediction at this point is that R ends up being a roughly 4-way tie: Gimpatron, Taken, AG/Asgard/Europa/MC, BDA/Divinity.

You've left out <Idiots, Savages>

[Man0warr]

Do you think BDA doesn't go after FFA mobs due to competition with class C? or because they don't have the motivation/manpower?



It's mostly just a question of EV - if there is an FFA window that lines up well with our member's primetimes, we will track/log out for it.

We never poopsock for Trak/VS if Class C is involved though, we don't have the manpower (ie having 1-2 groups logged in poopsocking vs 1 tracker + 1 bard ready to FTE) to realistically compete with what Class C is willing to bring to bear.

[Ninjax]

BDA had largely been the seeming puppet of the smaller guilds and this resulted in a rotation that was created on their terms and served their purposes (getting loot). BDA has thankfully seen through this manipulation and proposed something that would actually reward competition and competence while still protecting a guild from having to poopsock.

The result was predictable. The smaller guilds who had claimed they were not in it for loot (while creating a rotation that gave them the more loot due to how alliances work) complained that this now gives them less loot while chastising BDA for wanting more loot. The hypocrisy is not lost even if some are deluding themselves about their motivations. This delusion goes so far as that some guilds have simply decided to pretend the former rotation is still in play and that not coming to terms with the offer on the table means that they will get perhaps 1/20th of the mobs they did before.

If this is what they desire then so be it, if this is what their reality-averse brains cannot begin to comprehend - so be it. Reality is a harsh mistress and cares not for what fantasies of how she operates you've constructed because they are comfortable to believe.

BDA, Taken, and Divinity shall rule class R as the Trinity. As it has been proclaimed so shall it be.

[Ninjax]

BDA had largely been the seeming puppet of the smaller guilds and this resulted in a rotation that was created on their terms and served their purposes (getting loot). BDA has thankfully seen through this manipulation and proposed something that would actually reward competition and competence while still protecting a guild from having to poopsock.

The result was predictable. The smaller guilds who had claimed they were not in it for loot (while creating a rotation that gave them the more loot due to how alliances work) complained that this now gives them less loot while chastising BDA for wanting more loot. The hypocrisy is not lost even if some are deluding themselves about their motivations. This delusion goes so far as that some guilds have simply decided to pretend the former rotation is still in play and that not coming to terms with the offer on the table means that they will get perhaps 1/20th of the mobs they did before.

If this is what they desire then so be it, if this is what their reality-averse brains cannot begin to comprehend - so be it. Reality is a harsh mistress and cares not for what fantasies of how she operates you've constructed because they are comfortable to believe.

BDA, Taken, and Divinity shall rule class R as the Trinity. As it has been proclaimed so shall it be.

[Raev]

If you can't mobilize and kill any mob outside of VP within an hour with no competition, then your guild is completely fucked in a month or whatever Velious hits after Mischief is debugged.

We at The A-Team plan to not suck in Velious. We are building up our guild by recruiting, killing targets on Velious beta, and preparing to do FFA targets against real competition.

Our plan does not including squeezing the R rotation.

[Tiggles]

I just received a PM from an officer of Taken, Due to my journalistic integrity I will not reveal my sources but it looks like BDA is actually a very minor player in the Class R scene.


I pointed this out in FAP that BDA had been mostly siding with the smaller guilds and that the only real power they had was the social manipulation in which they appealed to image. This has now failed with BDA and as such there is no power broker on their side. They have no cards left to play so it is is either work within the limits the big three want or find out how quickly you won't get anything because although we don't want to sock hard - we will if pushed. I think our trak kill was a good demonstration of that where we socked 77 people for 6+ hours on a mob that was ours by rotation. We didn't need to - but we did and we can do that again and again and again and again.

I think some really don't understand what not having a rotation would mean for them because it is an issue of convenience for us but an issue of necessity for them.

[Man0warr]

Then I don't see why you have issues with tighter engage windows if you are serious about raiding in Velious with zero engage window guaranteed.

[Argh]

I just received a PM from an officer of Taken, Due to my journalistic integrity I will not reveal my sources but it looks like BDA is actually a very minor player in the Class R scene.

That's not from anyone in Taken. The coherent sentences are a dead give away.

[Raev]

Then I don't see why you have issues with tighter engage windows if you are serious about raiding in Velious with zero engage window guaranteed.

Our last trakanon kill took 1:20 from when he spawned. Of that, 20 minutes was spent tracking/sending out the batphone (because we don't want our people glued to the screen there), 20 minutes getting people tidy up whatever they were doing in RL and log on, 20 minutes mobilizing, and 20 minutes killing Trakanon and his guards.

So reducing that to 1 hour primarily involves tracking harder, logging on instantly, and camping out accounts. We would basically be doing the same amount of work as FFA anyway.

[Man0warr]

So you're against camping out toons at Seb orb when your up for Class R Trakanon? Seems like a really easy change to make on your end to speed up mobilization.

But if your happy with the status quo then I understand.

[Mendo]

So you're against camping out toons at Seb orb when your up for Class R Trakanon? Seems like a really easy change to make on your end to speed up mobilization.

But if your happy with the status quo then I understand.

Camping a toon at the orb means that you no longer have access to your toon and potentially can no longer play the game. I know you are just going to say "Go play some alts." What if people like their toon and would rather not play alts? They shouldn't raid then?
16 hours is a long time to not have access to your main toon. End the variance and then maybe we can talk about camping toons and losing access to them.

For me killing CT in an hour is stupid lame. That means you want us to train all of fear and rush CT. I understand that guilds do this to race each other for an FFA chance at CT but I actually really enjoy the idea of working my way through a plane to get to the god and fighting him.

[Amra]

I just received a PM from an officer of Taken, Due to my journalistic integrity I will not reveal my sources but it looks like BDA is actually a very minor player in the Class R scene.

Sounds like Taken needs to setup to Class C with those socking numbers!!

[Raev]

I am saying that we don't need to practice camping toons, logging on quickly, or tracking hard for Velious.

Also I love how BDA is alternating between bully and victim in this thread.

[Man0warr]

Camping a toon at the orb means that you no longer have access to your toon and potentially can no longer play the game. I know you are just going to say "Go play some alts." What if people like their toon and would rather not play alts? They shouldn't raid then?
16 hours is a long time to not have access to your main toon. End the variance and then maybe we can talk about camping toons and losing access to them.


Not telling you to do anything, do what you want. But you won't be getting any mobs when Velious gets rid of the Classes/rotations/etc.

So at that point when Asgard dissolves and you join TMO you'll have to change your attitude.

I agree remove variance, but GMs don't want to do that because they don't want more poopsocking and we as a server haven't proven we wouldn't poopsock if that was the case.

[Argh]

Not telling you to do anything, do what you want. But you won't be getting any mobs when Velious gets rid of the Classes/rotations/etc.

Are you under the impression that BDA will be successful in Velious? lol

[Amra]

Are you under the impression that BDA will be successful in Velious? lol

More successful then the guilds crying about having to kill gore by themselves...

[captnamazing]

Our last trakanon kill took 1:20 from when he spawned. Of that, 20 minutes was spent tracking/sending out the batphone (because we don't want our people glued to the screen there), 20 minutes getting people tidy up whatever they were doing in RL and log on, 20 minutes mobilizing, and 20 minutes killing Trakanon and his guards.

So reducing that to 1 hour primarily involves tracking harder, logging on instantly, and camping out accounts. We would basically be doing the same amount of work as FFA anyway.

Lol brah, on your last trak you had to run to cab because you forgot your PR gear. This is truth from your mouth to me. Not having your PR on you is just bad!

[Troubled]

http://i.imgur.com/Gj3oZiF.gif

[kaev]

Lol brah, ... your PR ... is just bad!

I see what you did there

[Nuktari]

I actually really enjoy the idea of working my way through a plane to get to the god and fighting him.

http://media1.giphy.com/media/8rbYChfZTh2XC/200.gif

[Tiggles]

So BDA's reasoning for making these tiers is to prepare smaller guilds for Velious so they don't get absorbed?

Does anyone believe that BDA is doing this for altruistic reasons and not just pixel greed?

My next concern is, How can Taken poopsock Trakanon with almost 80 people and not be moved into Class C?

WIll the staff allow a guild to run roughshod over the entire tier due to them not wanting to compete with TMO?

[Ninjax]

Camping a toon at the orb means that you no longer have access to your toon and potentially can no longer play the game. I know you are just going to say "Go play some alts." What if people like their toon and would rather not play alts? They shouldn't raid then?
16 hours is a long time to not have access to your main toon. End the variance and then maybe we can talk about camping toons and losing access to them.

For me killing CT in an hour is stupid lame. That means you want us to train all of fear and rush CT. I understand that guilds do this to race each other for an FFA chance at CT but I actually really enjoy the idea of working my way through a plane to get to the god and fighting him.

Choices have consequences. If one decides they have more enjoyment going for a race and large rewards if successful they will do so, if not they will play an alt because that is more enjoyable.

So they are free to do what they find most enjoyable however their choice comes with a consequence now the consequences is one of their maximum enjoyment given the reality of choices they have. We don't exist at the quantum level where one can undertake different simultaneous actions so for us doing X comes at the expense of doing anything other than X. Oh well. If people want the loot enough they will camp their mains and play alts. If they don't then they are already choosing to do something they value more.

[Man0warr]

Are you under the impression that BDA will be successful in Velious? lol

Who knows. I've killed every mob in Velious tens or hundreds of times in some cases when it was considered current content - I'm not worried about being successful against the mobs themselves.

I do know the rotation was stifling our mobilization and dulling our edge. It made us lazy and people weren't taking raiding seriously enough.

[Mendo]

Not telling you to do anything, do what you want. But you won't be getting any mobs when Velious gets rid of the Classes/rotations/etc.

So at that point when Asgard dissolves and you join TMO you'll have to change your attitude.

I agree remove variance, but GMs don't want to do that because they don't want more poopsocking and we as a server haven't proven we wouldn't poopsock if that was the case.

If I wanted to join TMO I would have done so years ago. You guys with your "Asgard = TMO alt guild" thing cracks me up.

[Man0warr]

So BDA's reasoning for making these tiers is to prepare smaller guilds for Velious so they don't get absorbed?

Does anyone believe that BDA is doing this for altruistic reasons and not just pixel greed?

Moreso worried about our own readiness for Velious than other guilds due to the rotation giving us excuses to mobilize slowly, not worry when unnecessary wipes happened, etc.

Outside of some Donal's BPs (which will be nerfed at launch anyways) there isn't any loot outside VP that BDA really requires, so I don't think that conclusion holds much weight.

[Man0warr]

You guys with your "Asgard = TMO alt guild" thing cracks me up.

It's RnF dude. Same thing with the "BDA = Chest Cult" meme.

[Errakus]

Are you under the impression that BDA will be successful in Velious? lol

I'm sorry, but even with the changes I would love to see BDA do any Velious content, I'm afraid it's not going to happen.

I being in a smaller guild have come to terms with this, apparently BDA has not and they have at LEAST 5x times the amount of people as my guild.

[Tiggles]

What it looks like here is Taken is attempting to scapegoat BDA as the source of all strife in Class R while they field a large force of members.

Are they on board with this Tier within a Tier raid rule? Do they want to continue the rotation?

Would a Tiggles moderated Class R discussion on Twitch be a possibility?

[Ciroco]

Moreso worried about our own readiness for Velious than other guilds due to the rotation giving us excuses to mobilize slowly, not worry when unnecessary wipes happened, etc.

If only there was another option for a more competitive raid environment...

[Argh]

What it looks like here is Taken is attempting to scapegoat BDA as the source of all strife in Class R while they field a large force of members.

Taken and Divinity have been pushing to leave the rotation for at least the last eight months. Until now, BDA has mediated and remained a neutral party to keep the rotation alive. This turned into a shit-on-BDA fest because they're the only people posting in this thread.

[Kushie]

If only there was another option for a more competitive raid environment...


There really isn't another option, no guild has a way to get enough VP keys to compete with IB/TMO. Taken or BDA would be dead within a few months of non-activity.

[Man0warr]

If only there was another option for a more competitive raid environment...

Nah we can't poopsock excessively.

[Errakus]

If only there was another option for a more competitive raid environment...

Someone found it. *Class C

[Anichek]

Taken and Divinity have been pushing to leave the rotation for at least the last eight months. Until now, BDA has mediated and remained a neutral party to keep the rotation alive. This turned into a shit-on-BDA fest because they're the only people posting in this thread.

BDA's getting Hot Carl'd (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hot+carl) all over in here

[Tiggles]

Taken and Divinity have been pushing to leave the rotation for at least the last eight months. Until now, BDA has mediated and remained a neutral party to keep the rotation alive. This turned into a shit-on-BDA fest because they're the only people posting in this thread.

What is stopping Taken and Divinity from doing so? They obviously have the motivation and the force.

[YendorLootmonkey]

What is stopping Taken and Divinity from doing so? They obviously have the motivation and the force.

Chest's gargantuan sack.

[Tiggles]

Chest's gargantuan sack.

My quote in your signature is more relevant than ever now that they have let obvious retards like yourself influence anything on this server higher than a group list for Disco in Seb.

[sanforce]

What is stopping Taken and Divinity from doing so? They obviously have the motivation and the force.

You saw it here first, QF is back in Game of Thrones mode - now you're all fucked.

(Tom Cruise mode was never that cool)

[Ciroco]

Nah we can't poopsock excessively.

I don't understand what you think this proposal is going to do to R.

[Swish]

Nah we won't poopsock

ftfy

[YendorLootmonkey]

My quote in your signature is more relevant than ever now that they have let obvious retards like yourself influence anything on this server higher than a group list for Disco in Seb.

You're right... guess I didn't have my hand in the marshmallow box like some people did for influence.

[Swish]

So BDA's reasoning for making these tiers is to prepare smaller guilds for Velious so they don't get absorbed?

Does anyone believe that BDA is doing this for altruistic reasons and not just pixel greed?

My next concern is, How can Taken poopsock Trakanon with almost 80 people and not be moved into Class C?

WIll the staff allow a guild to run roughshod over the entire tier due to them not wanting to compete with TMO?

No answers since Tiggles posed those very pertinent questions - just BDA people clubbing themselves over the head saying about not wanting to poopsock.

Push yourselves like you're trying to push the lesser R guilds... take the lead... set an example...

[sanforce]

I love all of this talk about Taken being so good at competing for FFA targets, yet they still can't compete with class C. Look at their website, "5 FFA targets, 4 FFA targets <Taken>". You can obviously compete with TMO and IB when it comes to an FFA race, which is the exact same thing as a normal Class C race. I don't understand how a lack of VP keys is somehow holding you back. You could be racing for 66% of the mobs outside of VP instead of the 33% that you are currently racing for, and you could start to enter VP races at your own pace.

[Aviann]

I love all of this talk about Taken being so good at competing for FFA targets, yet they still can't compete with class C. Look at their website, "5 FFA targets, 4 FFA targets <Taken>". You can obviously compete with TMO and IB when it comes to an FFA race, which is the exact same thing as a normal Class C race. I don't understand how a lack of VP keys is somehow holding you back. You could be racing for 66% of the mobs outside of VP instead of the 33% that you are currently racing for, and you could start to enter VP races at your own pace.

Not that I am taking their side, but in order for them to keep up with the two high C's would be if they were capable of gearing themselves at the same time as competing, which without the ability to tackle VP for loot, would prove to be unfruitful either totally or extremely minimally if they were set to lose constantly against not only a bigger couple of forces, but also better geared. Any guild in their right frame of mind would be avoiding that at all costs for the sake of continuing its said existence. After things get stale, nothing gets looted, and all your alts are capped, people tend to leave. Its better to compete with a bunch of lesser geared or same geared guilds, then two larger better geared guilds who have their own mobs on a complete lockdown as is.

Let's not forget why the rotation came into effect in the first place, the very same principle that was just described above, except it was mainly one guild cockblocking the rest of the server. Now you expect them to want to step foot against two guilds like that? Its doubtful at best, but would be commendable if they did.

[YendorLootmonkey]

No answers since Tiggles posed those very pertinent questions - just BDA people clubbing themselves over the head saying about not wanting to poopsock.

Push yourselves like you're trying to push the lesser R guilds... take the lead... set an example...

Taken and Divinity have been pushing to leave the rotation for at least[QUOTE=Argh;1767548]Taken and Divinity have been pushing to leave the rotation for at least the last eight months. Until now, BDA has mediated and remained a neutral party to keep the rotation alive. This turned into a shit-on-BDA fest because they're the only people posting in this thread.

[Swish]

Also I love how BDA is alternating between bully and victim in this thread.

[khanable]

What is stopping Taken and Divinity from doing so? They obviously have the motivation and the force.

Word on the street is that both guilds are flying blind. 95% of Divinity have Drakakakade on ignore since he doesn't use push-to-talk and the excessive breathing got weird. As far as Taken goes, Siri's batteries ran out and they tasked Eratani (who is pretty much ESL) with typing raid directions into /gu.

[Argh]

Drakakakade ... doesn't use push-to-talk and the excessive breathing got weird.

This may be the truest thing ever said on these forums.

[Kekephee]

Word on the street is that both guilds are flying blind. 95% of Divinity have Drakakakade on ignore since he doesn't use push-to-talk and the excessive breathing got weird. As far as Taken goes, Siri's batteries ran out and they tasked Eratani (who is pretty much ESL) with typing raid directions into /gu.


Jesus fucking Christ I miss you so much Cucumbers

[TMO so immersed]

If I wanted to join TMO I would have done so years ago. You guys with your "Asgard = TMO alt guild" thing cracks me up.

I've personally seen an Asgard Rogue log out and swap to Selenia infront, didn't even try to hide it. was hilarious actually...

is Detoxx still an officer in Asgard? Does Gunter still RMT? Does Argh still have the mental capacity of a 9th grader?

[Argh]

Does Argh still have the mental capacity of a 9th grader?

http://i.imgur.com/gXjjysX.gif

[arsenalpow]

Well Pint was playing Dracomir (TMO monk) the other day and straight up trained us at Royals after we beat them to an Insignia Protector. He said "you got what you deserved" so I'm assuming he meant the Insignia Protector, we gave it to a necro though which seemed to defeat the purpose of getting the item.

[toolshed]

Chest changed his forum avatar because he couldn't bare one more day of idealist Jax looking back at him while he drove the dagger into the rotation

[toolshed]

PS - bring back /guildwar and help alleviate the drama on blue

[radditsu]

What it looks like here is Taken is attempting to scapegoat BDA as the source of all strife in Class R while they field a large force of members.

Are they on board with this Tier within a Tier raid rule? Do they want to continue the rotation?

Would a Tiggles moderated Class R discussion on Twitch be a possibility?

Aww i missed this.

[Detoxx]

Not that I am taking their side, but in order for them to keep up with the two high C's would be if they were capable of gearing themselves at the same time as competing, which without the ability to tackle VP for loot, would prove to be unfruitful either totally or extremely minimally if they were set to lose constantly against not only a bigger couple of forces, but also better geared. Any guild in their right frame of mind would be avoiding that at all costs for the sake of continuing its said existence. After things get stale, nothing gets looted, and all your alts are capped, people tend to leave. Its better to compete with a bunch of lesser geared or same geared guilds, then two larger better geared guilds who have their own mobs on a complete lockdown as is.

Let's not forget why the rotation came into effect in the first place, the very same principle that was just described above, except it was mainly one guild cockblocking the rest of the server. Now you expect them to want to step foot against two guilds like that? Its doubtful at best, but would be commendable if they did.

You know this is Kunark and anything other than MR gear is practically irrelevant?

[Pint]

Well Pint was playing Dracomir (TMO monk) the other day and straight up trained us at Royals after we beat them to an Insignia Protector. He said "you got what you deserved" so I'm assuming he meant the Insignia Protector, we gave it to a necro though which seemed to defeat the purpose of getting the item.

Queen wasnt up when you leap frogged our camp and stole our king, nice try with the flat out lie though. Par for the course for you.

[Detoxx]

Well Pint was playing Dracomir (TMO monk) the other day and straight up trained us at Royals after we beat them to an Insignia Protector. He said "you got what you deserved" so I'm assuming he meant the Insignia Protector, we gave it to a necro though which seemed to defeat the purpose of getting the item.

According to the majority of other sources that aren't brainwashed or have their head up your ass, like much of your guild, they were camped and doing royals and you leapfrogged them in the name of a fucking insignia protector lol. If this isn't evidence of BADs lust for pixels, i don't know what is.

[Troubled]

According to the majority of other sources that aren't brainwashed or have their head up your ass, like much of your guild, they were camped and doing royals and you leapfrogged them in the name of a fucking insignia protector lol. If this isn't evidence of BADs lust for pixels, i don't know what is.

Good thing your guild's never leapfrogged anyone for loot.

[arsenalpow]

Queen wasnt up when you leap frogged our camp and stole our king, nice try with the flat out lie though. Par for the course for you.

I think you're confusing something. It was for an insignia protector.

[Man0warr]

You can't claim Royals if your entire raid force was logged out.

Had same shit happen to us at TolaProt several times - TMO/IB/etc logging in 10min before repop and claiming it and GMs siding with them.

[Susvain2]

You can't claim Royals if your entire raid force was logged out.

Had same shit happen to us at TolaProt several times - TMO/IB/etc logging in 10min before repop and claiming it and GMs siding with them.

here at TMO, we are better than you and we know it

[Nuggets]

1) 2hour engage window 2) tier entry mobs changed to align with true mob difficulty. 3) failures, alliances, "strikes" drop every guild involved to bottom of list (or off if they Dont belong). Rotation saved

[Detoxx]

You can't claim Royals if your entire raid force was logged out.

Had same shit happen to us at TolaProt several times - TMO/IB/etc logging in 10min before repop and claiming it and GMs siding with them.

Sounds like lawyerquest to me, arent you guys supposed to be against that? The hypocrisy keeps coming!

[zanderklocke]

1) 2hour engage window 2) tier entry mobs changed to align with true mob difficulty. 3) failures, alliances, "strikes" drop every guild involved to bottom of list (or off if they Dont belong). Rotation saved

I can get behind this.

[Formshifter]

here at TMO, we are better than you and we know it

Sounds more like foul play to me brew

[bigsykedaddy]

I've personally seen an Asgard Rogue log out and swap to Selenia infront, didn't even try to hide it. was hilarious actually...

is Detoxx still an officer in Asgard? Does Gunter still RMT? Does Argh still have the mental capacity of a 9th grader?

What is this RMT shit you guys are talking about? You guys are nuts.

[Aviann]

here at TMO, we are better than you and we know it

See you next time in beta my frand! <3

[Doil_Boil]

Ya'll got some interesting notions about our guild..

[Tasslehofp99]

there is a giant fucking arena if you want to schedule a beat down some day.

This is intriguing.


What should the stakes be? Plat, BDA moving to class C if they lose, TMO letting chest have their next crown of Rile if they lose?

Could be fun!

[Verenity]

BDA is undefeated in mass Arena PvPs.

Also I haven't logged in to do anything but inquire about our fantasy football league in about a year but isn't TMO getting their shit pushed in by IB daily now? I heard it was getting pretty embarrassing.

[Detoxx]

BDA is undefeated in mass Arena PvPs.

Also I haven't logged in to do anything but inquire about our fantasy football league in about a year but isn't TMO getting their shit pushed in by IB daily now? I heard it was getting pretty embarrassing.

Its week to week for sure. We got it good this week, the week prior to their vp suspension we went 5/6 in VP. Its the nature of this Kunark Metagame and new rules.

[Decad]

I see 3 big bleeding sharks with a number of small sharks in the pond. All sharks are bleeding somewhere.

Lets see which of the big 3 sharks die first.

[Decad]

The amount of e-penis glorification from the 3 sharks PR team and the desire to match the 2 big fishermen e-penis in this thread while trying to cut off the smaller guild e-penis in this thread is simply amazing.

I wonder how will the 3 sharks react if all their raid leader got a power outage and their holy grail spawns.

[Kekephee]

When you say "all sharks are bleeding somewhere" are you still only talking about the 3 big sharks or are you also talking about the little sharks that are swimming around them?

[Decad]

When you say "all sharks are bleeding somewhere" are you still only talking about the 3 big sharks or are you also talking about the little sharks that are swimming around them?

All.

[Troubled]

Dear Nilborg, If this idea will ever to go live, please remove shark caps from the game and move all to Shark Ridge/Lake Sharktear. Those who wants a shark, will now have a shark given to them.

And if we are to take it even 1 further shark, lets remove Overshark hammers and move sharkers to a different zone compared to other sharks. It will be a race for sharks to reach their raid shark.
Dude loves sharks. What can you say?

[Decad]

The box has changed. I feel it in the water. I feel it in the earth. I smell it in the air. Much that once was is lost. For none now play who remember it. It began with the forging of the great Pixels. Three were given to the casual scum, immortal, wisest and fairest of all beings. Seven to the neckbeards, great campers and poopsockers of rare spawns. And nine, nine Pixels were gifted to the hardcore raiders, who above all else desired loots. For within these pixels was bound the strength and will to dominate server content.

But they were all of them deceived, for an agreement was made. In the land of Forumquest, in the fires RNF, the players and staff forged in secret a master rotation to control all others, and into this agreement, they poured their fairness, their justice, and their will to regulate all raiding. One rotation to rule them all.

Meanwhile, one by one the free guilds of P99 fell to the power of TMO. But there were some who resisted. A last alliance of casuals and neckbeards marched against the armies of TMO and on the threads of RNF, they fought for the freedom of P99. Victory was near but the power of the Pixel could not be undone. It was in this moment when all hope had faded that Rogean, Lord of the Box, took up his banhammer... Zeelot, the enemy of the casuals of P99 was defeated.

The Pixels passed to Zagum, who had this one chance to obstruct any agreement forever. But the hardcores were easily convinced. And the Pixels have a will of their own. They betrayed old TMO to its death. And some things that should not have been forgotten were lost. History became legend, legend became myth, and for twelve and a half months, the Pixels passed out of all knowledge until, when chance came, they ensnared a new bearer. The Pixels came to the creature Chest who took them deep into the basement of his mother's house and there it consumed him. The Pixels brought to Chest unnatural long playtimes. For five months, they poisoned his life. And in the gloom of Chest's bedroom, they waited.

Darkness crept back into the forums. Rumor grew of a shadow in the rotation, whimpers of unfairness and the Pixels perceived their time had now come. They abandoned the rotation. But something happened the Pixels did not intend. They were picked up by the most unlikely creatures imaginable: casual scum, Taken, BDA, and Divinity. For the times will soon come when Casuals will shape the fortunes of us all...

This is good. VERY good

[Decad]

Dude loves sharks. What can you say?

Loving sharks is great.

But like I said, lets see which of the big 3 sharks die first. :)

[Clark]

The death of the rotation


---------------------Revised proposal after 7 of 10 guilds said no--------------



This is the death of the player made rotation. For those that do not fully understand why these terms were unacceptable: Gorenaire and Talendor are the two hardest encounters outside of VP. To enter "tier 2" you must solo kill Talendor at any time of day which then grants you access to kill Dracoliche, Maestro and Faydedar. To enter "tier 3" (access to every epic in the game) you must solo kill Gorenaire at any time of day which then grants you access to the remaining gods and dragons (all of the loot worth actually going for). What this does is create two impossible entry points for any guilds that wish to join the rotation in the future as well as knocking 7 of the long term rotation member guilds out of contention for Venril Sathir, Innoruuk, Cazic Thule, Trakanon and Severilous. The terms in both proposals are unacceptable to the representatives of the 7 class R guilds who are not BDA, Taken and Divinity.

The reason I have brought this to raid discussion is to eliminate the rampant misinformation that surrounds any big change in this servers politics. Our guilds did not simply decide the rotation would no longer continue, we tried very hard to reason with the other 3 guilds and they simply would not yield as you can see by the second proposal being even more of a joke than the first. These proposals were very clearly designed to force the dissolution of the rotation.

The p99 rotation was player made and has been player dissolved. We had a good run and in my opinion it has been the healthiest time in this servers history.

Is this BDA and Taken deciding to cut the balls off of the other class R guild for more pixels?..say it isn't so!!! of course this would happen, the entitled mind set.

Dear BDA and Chest. Fuck you.

That is all. Hahaha,

[Swish]

would get behind Nuggets suggestions, would mean less pixels for the big 3 though which is what these changes are all about.

[Troubled]

http://i.imgur.com/Jcb5fCT.gif

[khanable]

You heard it here first folks!


http://img.blog.english.vc/20120512_2641431.jpg

Yea that was a pretty cringe-y thing for him to say

[Argh]

From what i've heard two of the three Guilds asked only for point two and three.
You go for what you can kill and if you want others to help you then you all are one team.

What BDA/Taken/Div want is that if 2 guilds kill Gore (or any mob) together they're now one guild and have to do every mob together from now until forever.

[Man0warr]

Yea that was a pretty cringe-y thing for him to say

Wasn't just talking about BDA, applies to pretty much every non Taken guild.

[Tiggles]

Wasn't just talking about BDA, applies to pretty much every non Taken guild.

Hey Man0warr, You wanna go on my stream to represent your guild?

I was told you're a fucking idiot and super cringy by one of your guildmates so It would be good television.

[Eponymous Anonymous]

Argh, just because you quote yourself from earlier in the thread does not make that statement any more true. Do you have solid proof of what you're asserting?

[Justerd]

I just wish my E-Peen was big enough to post here. Maybe if I grow a neck-beard and poopsock mobs it might grow bigger from them uber pixels.

[Man0warr]

Hey Man0warr, You wanna go on my stream to represent your guild?

I was told you're a fucking idiot and super cringy by one of your guildmates so It would be good television.

No thanks, going to a Stars game tonight.

But I'm just a member of the Cult of Chest so it wouldn't be that interesting anyways.

[JackFlash]

I just wish my E-Peen was big enough to post here. Maybe if I grow a neck-beard and poopsock mobs it might grow bigger from them uber pixels.

did you just take a bunch of words and make a random sentence?

[Justerd]

did you just take a bunch of words and make a random sentence?

Yes I did.

[Ravager]

Hey Man0warr, You wanna go on my stream to represent your guild?

I was told you're a fucking idiot and super cringy by one of your guildmates so It would be good television.

Good television has more than six people watching.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/58776077.jpg

[Juevento]

I'd be more than happy to be on your stream and call you a stupid cunt for 30 mins or so.

HMU dawg.

[Argh]

I'd be more than happy to be on your stream and call you a stupid cunt for 30 mins or so.

HMU dawg.

I'd watch that

[Juntsie]

Juntsie tink dis entire dispute ridiculous joke and raider dat oppose equitable distrobution of merbs need to choke on poopsock material in ditch.

Juntsie stand by long-time policy of GM-enforced equitable rotation for all guild wit ability to bash mob and no variance (wit plenty of time after pop for engage, so no stupid tracking or poopsock silliness).

Stupid neckbeard psuedo-legal documents and backroom dealings NOT CLASSIC.

[khanable]

I'd be more than happy to be on your stream and call you a stupid cunt for 30 mins or so.

HMU dawg.

I'd watch that

i'd watch too

that's two users, go for a record tigs

[planarity]

Queen wasnt up when you leap frogged our camp and stole our king, nice try with the flat out lie though. Par for the course for you.

I think you're confusing something. It was for an insignia protector.

Point of information: Pint is correct that queen wasn't up yet, so in fact you guys leapfrogged for an empty handed king.

It's true that our whole force wasn't logged in for the whole two hours between royals spawns, but we logged in and killed the 4 roamers in the hallway before BDA arrived, which for any reasonable person would mean that king and queen were ours unless we wiped to them. I wouldn't advocate training you, but what you guys did was bullshit and you know it. I'm surprised you'd even want to bring up this episode.

If your chosen "play style" involves leapfrogging, rule lawyering about FTE, and crying victim, then I think class C may be the place for you after all.

[Kushie]

If you petitionquest hard enough BDA and Taken will be forced class C, snarky RnF posts will get you nowhere. Pester the staff today!

http://www.clutchmagonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/35998524.jpg

[Juevento]

Yeah, Chest is mistaken about that point. We were going after he king. The IP reference is to a group of A-Team or something that we beat to the punch for a queen that had IP.

Actually that might have been Asgard as well.

To be fair, you didn't maintain a presence at the camp, we got FTE on King with a clean engage, and you guys dropped the rest of king and queen room on us. We got rezzed up faster than you guys and still managed to kill the King.

To me, that's a fair method for contesting a camp (minus the train business).

[Ella`Ella]

Point of information: Pint is correct that queen wasn't up yet, so in fact you guys leapfrogged for an empty handed king.

It's true that our whole force wasn't logged in for the whole two hours between royals spawns, but we logged in and killed the 4 roamers in the hallway before BDA arrived, which for any reasonable person would mean that king and queen were ours unless we wiped to them. I wouldn't advocate training you, but what you guys did was bullshit and you know it. I'm surprised you'd even want to bring up this episode.

If your chosen "play style" involves leapfrogging, rule lawyering about FTE, and crying victim, then I think class C may be the place for you after all.

This is exactly what BDA did during the FearGate 2014 and then cried as the victims.

[haksum]

Who could have possibly seen all this coming? Oh, wait ...... just about everyone not waiting in line for pixels. Good thing some of us had the foresight to stock up on popcorn before demand exploded. mmmmmmm

[Aviann]

Who could have possibly seen all this coming? Oh, wait ...... just about everyone not waiting in line for pixels. Good thing some of us had the foresight to stock up on popcorn before demand exploded. mmmmmmm

Truf.

Why can't we all just get along guys?

[captnamazing]

Truf.

Why can't we all just get along guys?

Because of guild leaders & officers imo. 90% of players have no issue with people of different guilds, but our egos aren't at stake if we lose the mob to another guild. It comes down to simple tribal pride.

[khanable]

Because of guild leaders & officers imo. 90% of players have no issue with people of different guilds, but our egos aren't at stake if we lose the mob to another guild. It comes down to simple tribal pride.

MY GUILD LEADER CAN BEAT UP UR GUILD LEADER

[Aviann]

Because of guild leaders & officers imo. 90% of players have no issue with people of different guilds, but our egos aren't at stake if we lose the mob to another guild. It comes down to simple tribal pride.

We need a hero to bring us all together in P99 pride and break away from these tribal methods of hate... but who will rise up for us.

Calling all an heroes.

[Llodd]

If you petitionquest hard enough BDA and Taken will be forced class C, snarky RnF posts will get you nowhere. Pester the staff today!



Quite possibly closer to the truth than you think. All those proposals with ultimatums attached were far more representative of a guild coming from class C than R. If we think back to when Rogean and staff got fed up with the hedgimony created by tmo/ib/fe the call was for more of the server to see more of the content. It can't be denied that what is currently happening will be a reversal of that aim.

Depending on what happens in the coming months I would not be suprised to see a guild or two forceably moved into class C.

[Funkutron5000]

MY GUILD LEADER CAN BEAT UP UR GUILD LEADER

I doubt I could beat anyone up, so this is likely true.

[sanforce]

I doubt I could beat anyone up, so this is likely true.

Paladin IRL

[Juevento]

Except that Sirken said they wouldn't move any guilds to Class C if they were locked out for all class R targets.

What will more likely happen is the smaller guilds will merge or dissolve or even better yet, step up to the plate and end up doing the same things asked for in the proposed rotation changes.

You know small things like being prepared for encounters, efficiently mobilizing, etc.

[Funkutron5000]

Except that Sirken said they wouldn't move any guilds to Class C if they were locked out for all class R targets.

What will more likely happen is the smaller guilds will merge or dissolve or even better yet, step up to the plate and end up doing the same things asked for in the proposed rotation changes.

You know small things like being prepared for encounters, efficiently mobilizing, etc.

Like Class C guilds told you to do for years until you bitched and moaned enough to get segregated mobs under the guise of different play styles?

[haksum]

Quite possibly closer to the truth than you think. All those proposals with ultimatums attached were far more representative of a guild coming from class C than R. If we think back to when Rogean and staff got fed up with the hedgimony created by tmo/ib/fe the call was for more of the server to see more of the content. It can't be denied that what is currently happening will be a reversal of that aim.

Depending on what happens in the coming months I would not be suprised to see a guild or two forceably moved into class C.

So, if class R is a total FFA sockfest now, what's the difference between class R and class C short of being allowed to kill VP mobs? :confused: Wasn't class R championed as a different playstyle? It just seems like now BDA and Taken can compete with 'lower' guilds while being protected from IB and TMO. Obviously BDA is already embracing and celebrating their new playstyle.

[Man0warr]

Quite possibly closer to the truth than you think. All those proposals with ultimatums attached were far more representative of a guild coming from class C than R. If we think back to when Rogean and staff got fed up with the hedgimony created by tmo/ib/fe the call was for more of the server to see more of the content. It can't be denied that what is currently happening will be a reversal of that aim.

Depending on what happens in the coming months I would not be suprised to see a guild or two forceably moved into class C.

Rogean was tired of a single guild getting all the kills.

At worst, it will be 5 guilds now getting all the kills (with 3 of those 5 getting an even smaller amount).

More likely Taken/Div/BDA get 60-70% of the kills in Class R, and the smaller guilds get the rest unless they start to alliance (which they seemed against doing unless it was their own terms) and be more serious about it.

Still way more than we got in the 4 years preceding, which was zero.

[haksum]

Except that Sirken said they wouldn't move any guilds to Class C if they were locked out for all class R targets.

You should know by now how capricious statements like these can be on this server. Conditions have changed.

[Man0warr]

Like Class C guilds told you to do for years until you bitched and moaned enough to get segregated mobs under the guise of different play styles?

This won't change BDA's playstyle from what it's been for the last year Class R has been in effect.

Log out your mains close to targets beforehand to speed up mobilization. We will still only track for mobs when it's convenient for our members (we had no trackers for most of the AM hours on Draco today for example). Won't require anyone to poopsock for anything, ever.

So yeah, not really anything close to Class C.

[sanforce]

Still way more than we got in the 4 years preceding, which was zero.

Ahhhhh the good old days of P99, I have great memories of killing 95% of the raid targets for months on end.

[kaev]

MY GUILD LEADER CAN BEAT UP UR GUILD LEADER

Haha, reminds me of morons driving around with idiotic "Our governor can beat up your governor" bumperstickers when Jesse Ventura was governor of MN. p99 raid guilds doing their best to replicate RL, one clusterfuck at a time.

[ClownGuild]

This won't change BDA's playstyle from what it's been for the last year Class R has been in effect.

Log out your mains close to targets beforehand to speed up mobilization. We will still only track for mobs when it's convenient for our members (we had no trackers for most of the AM hours on Draco today for example). Won't require anyone to poopsock for anything, ever.

So yeah, not really anything close to Class C.

Sounds like Class C. The people who generally force poopsocking is usually Class R guilds on FFA targets. Sooo.. Yeah it's everything like Class C.

[Kushie]

Quite possibly closer to the truth than you think. All those proposals with ultimatums attached were far more representative of a guild coming from class C than R. If we think back to when Rogean and staff got fed up with the hedgimony created by tmo/ib/fe the call was for more of the server to see more of the content. It can't be denied that what is currently happening will be a reversal of that aim.

Depending on what happens in the coming months I would not be suprised to see a guild or two forceably moved into class C.

It's not realistic and it won't happen. You can't turn my troll around on me.