End of the rotation?

[kaev]

ROFL yeah those 3 shared kills/month that some smaller guilds teamed up for really must've stung you guys bad!!! Seriously, it's so little loot compared to the big picture, its basically inconsequential. Basically you guys are crying because a few mobs/month, some smaller guilds killed a mob instead of wiping for 4 hours with too few numbers. Who cares???

The 'pixel lust' of smaller guilds?? It's hilarious what you guys believe.

:shrug: Just calling people out on their bullshit when the spirit moves me. The TMO trolls weighing in on this are especially lulzy, such anger, such anguish, such unhappiness, "OMGOMG my alt in <RotationExploiterAltGuild73> might not get his pixel ration this month, whatever shall I do?".

[Blaza]

ROFL yeah those 3 shared kills/month that some smaller guilds teamed up for really must've stung you guys bad!!! Seriously, it's so little loot compared to the big picture, its basically inconsequential. Basically you guys are crying because a few mobs/month, some smaller guilds killed a mob instead of wiping for 4 hours with too few numbers. Who cares???

The 'pixel lust' of smaller guilds?? It's hilarious what you guys believe.

If you can't solo kill the mob, why are you in the rotation?

[Juevento]

This one time BDA couldn't kill Trak on a weekday morning so Argh, Loraen and I led your raid for you. WHAT HAPPENED TO US BEING FRIENDS BDA?

I heard Loraen was among the worst monks on the server (which is pretty bad considering what a crutch class it is) from people at that raid. The whole elite A-Team nonsense is pretty funny coming from him.

[Kekephee]

This one time BDA couldn't kill Trak on a weekday morning so Argh, Loraen and I led your raid for you. WHAT HAPPENED TO US BEING FRIENDS BDA?

See this is what I'm saying. EVERYONE needs a little help sometimes. We have such a good thing going in this rotation with people helping each other but not manipulating the goddamn system and taking advantage.


Also, I want to go on the record here and say that I fucking love Argh like a brother who I've only met once or twice and he doesn't even know we're brothers because I know we're brothers from hiring this private investigator to find out what my dad was doing when he was in Baltimore for a couple years for his job and the private investigator came back and was like "your dad has a second family, they're all dead now except Argh, he's your half brother, here's his address if you want to contact him" and I went to his house and he opened the door and I just didn't know how to say it so I pretended I was a lawn care guy looking for work and he was like "yeah sure I'll give you 10 bucks to mow my lawn" and I did a shitty job but he was cool and invited me in for a beer and I was like "I love these pictures of your family, you look really happy" and he was like "yeah my father really cared about us a lot, he worked in nuclear wapon so he had to split for like 8 months out of the year every year after I turned 6 but he'd always come back and visit and they were really great times" and I was thinking about how when he'd come back to OUR house he'd be so withdrawn, so sad, like he felt like he was in the wrong place, and I realized this was his real family, we were just a huge responsibility that he couldn't bring himself to walk away from

[Raev]

Like Raev is talking up a storm about what bad guys we are, but I remember a really rough Trak raid that A-team needed help on because they couldn't field the numbers. I don't recall BDA being a bunch of awful monsters then.

Why do you think our recent change in opinions has nothing to do with your recent actions? Between Gorenaire, training us in Fear, and now this, you have destroyed a great deal of good will that was gradually built up over the past year.

I personally think a tier system is very reasonable. If you had come to us (us being either The A-Team or the FAP forums in general) and said "Winter is coming, we'd like to gradually tighten up the rotation a bit; what do you think of this proposal" and had some back and forth I think we could have reached a reasonable compromise. What is not reasonable is locking every epic mob - even Faydedar, for god's sake - behind killing Gorenaire at 3 AM and demanding new guilds kill Talendor to get a chance at Maestro and then telling everyone your points are not negotiable and its that or FFA. If I were you, I would lock Chest up and never let him talk to anyone or make guild policy ever again. If it helps you, my officers don't want me to do any negotiating either :p

[YendorLootmonkey]

some smaller guilds killed a mob instead of wiping for 4 hours with too few numbers. Who cares??

Why the fuck are they on the rotation for the mob if they can't fucking kill the mob?

If this is what the rotation devolved into, then just fucking split into 8-person guilds and conveniently ally whenever you can't kill the mobs and artificially pad out the rotation on guilds who actually can kill the mobs so no guild sees a particular mob for a year. Brilliant!

And then fight the lawsuit Omni files against you for jacking their idea.

I think the "barrier to entry" between different tiers may need to be re-thought, but other than that, the guilds that were in the rotation for mobs they couldn't kill are clearly to blame for this.

Probably populated with a bunch of TMO alts who did exactly what they threatened during the original raid scene proposals... water down the rotation with guilds until it imploded.

And.... and... fuck you randomly, Cecily.

There... how was that? My RNF game has always been horrible. As well as my non-RNF game.

[Raev]

I heard Loraen was among the worst monks on the server (which is pretty bad considering what a crutch class it is) from people at that raid. The whole elite A-Team nonsense is pretty funny coming from him.

My plan has worked perfectly

[harnold]

Yeah it really worked out didnt it?The raid scene is the most repulsive its ever been. Bickering/drama/training/tomfoolery is still at an all time high. GMs/guilds still like to play petitionquest/lawyerquest every week. The GMs also still consider waking up in the middle of the night to see who has the fastest solid state drive "competing" and determine all boss kills based on this pathetic "competition".

Its still not classic, still not pleasant, still a shithole, and still totally unreasonable to anybody with responsibilities. Take one look at the raid guild forum and see how long you can last until you either throw up all over your monitor or you die of a brain aneurysm. None of this shit is classic and none of this shit is working.

[Kekephee]

I'll be honest, my understanding of the ins and outs of how this whole rotation negotiation turned rotation meltdown has played out is pretty limited because I have been in-game like twice in the last three months and I have been on our guild boards and this board like 6 times. Been busy. But what I'm hearing, or what I think I'm hearing, is that the main crux of the matter was guilds that were too small to kill a number of rotation mobs trying to maintain their own spot in the rotation for those mobs despite consistently having to split the workload with other guilds, something that seems unfair to everyone who's having to wait like months and months for things like Trak kills because there are so many guilds on the rotation. There are necros who need epics and can't get an Inny kill more than like once every 4 months, it's like a 6 month wait for Faydedar, I'VE NEVER KILLED GORENAIRE WE'RE STILL WAITING AAAAAHHHHHH

I made all of those numbers up, none of them are real, but you understand

[Raev]

Then go read BDA's proposal (Pint posted it in the raid forums, good move sir) and tell me whether you think its a reasonable one when presented as take it or leave it.

[Kekephee]

You never actually played on this server Lron

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Posting in an LRon thread.

[Susano]

stuck in Karnor's all day choosing between staying with their friends and apping to a bigger guild so they could kill shit.

This was pretty classic. I thought we were shooting for classic here?

[harnold]

Lron probably saw this coming from the start and had the right idea all along.

[jpetrick]

I heard Loraen was among the worst monks on the server (which is pretty bad considering what a crutch class it is) from people at that raid. The whole elite A-Team nonsense is pretty funny coming from him.

I do prefer to watch Loraen play his enchanter over his monk but you would be just plain wrong to say that the guild he created didn't do impressive things. 7 man Spiroc Lord kills? Even just being able to clear the vanquishers on that island with 1 group is fucking impressive.

[harnold]

I dare one of you raiders to start explaining the raid rules on p99 to anybody who doesnt play here and see their reaction. warning: last time i tried this i was stabbed right in the ass cheek

[Blaza]

Rotation dumb. End it.

[Kekephee]

Then go read BDA's proposal (Pint posted it in the raid forums, good move sir) and tell me whether you think its a reasonable one when presented as take it or leave it.

I skimmed it, or the parts that were up in the guild board for discussion and feedback, and I thought it was pretty reasonable. What is it that I'm missing that's so outrageous? The tier system makes sense to me- if you're capable of killing certain mobs, you must be capable of killing certain others, so if you can prove that you get a spot in the rotation for those mobs. Is the issue WHICH mobs were selected for those tiers? Because in that case why not just be like "these mobs are the wrong choices, maybe we can pick different ones." Maybe try that instead of jumping to meltdown mode and blowing up the rotation that has served the whole server so well for a year and biting the shit out of the hand that, I don't want to say "has fed you," but has built the bridge over the troubled nerd waters of TMO tyranny so that you could cross into the golden fields of plenty (not you, everyone) (I don't know how A-team would be doing in a non-rotation server) (my guess is not as well as you think, no offense)

[Kekephee]

I dare one of you raiders to start explaining the raid rules on p99 to anybody who doesnt play here and see their reaction. warning: last time i tried this i was stabbed right in the ass cheek

I explained them to my old EQ guildies who I've been playing Archeage with and their reaction was "wait, people used to sit at Trak spawn for a week clicking javelins? What the fuck is up with your server? Yes, that rotation sounds like exactly what you need"


so SHUT UP LRON

[jpetrick]

If BDA's members could see how Anicheks original postings were worded. I'm sure you all would understand why you pissed off every guild in Class R besides Taken and Divinity.

[Kekephee]

So propose amendments. That's how a fucking ratification process works. He says something, you say "no, that's not right, let's tweak it," you discuss it like adults. You don't violently react to the first fucking draft

[jpetrick]

You must not be understanding that he presented it as take it or leave it. It literally fucking said that in the original post.

[Kekephee]

Oh I see, "take it or leave it," I get it

[Kekephee]

You must not be understanding that he presented it as take it or leave it. It literally fucking said that in the original post.

Yes I just got that SORRY

[Kekephee]

So really the issue here is negotiation tactics. Anichek made too strong a play and the reaction was a bad one. That doesn't sound like something that's worth dissolving the whole rotation over. Explain me please

[Blaza]

If BDA's members could see how Anicheks original postings were worded. I'm sure you all would understand why you pissed off every guild in Class R besides Taken and Divinity.

I saw it, didn't think it went far enough.

[sanforce]

omg I hope this shit rotation actually falls apart, that would really make my day.

[Argh]

So really the issue here is negotiation tactics. Anichek made too strong a play and the reaction was a bad one. That doesn't sound like something that's worth dissolving the whole rotation over. Explain me please

That would be them opting for the 'leave it' option instead of the 'take it' option.

[jpetrick]

Well this dude is a fucking idiot. Not sure why I bothered.

[Kekephee]

I'm a little confused. I'm going to go through it point-by-point sometime, but for now, I have this little piece of information gnawing at my sensibilities:

---------------------Revised proposal after 7 of 10 guilds said no--------------

Take it or leave it- revised proposal after 7 of 10 guilds said no- you guys are so pissed about this take it or leave it business, but there were revisions. I don't think your democratic process was stifled as much as you think it was

[jpetrick]

Argh I miss you. Please play again <3.

[Blaza]

omg I hope this shit rotation actually falls apart, that would really make my day.

+1 You eat what you kill.

Someone throw a Glengarry Glenn Ross Gif in here, I'm fat too lazy.

[Kekephee]

That would be them opting for the 'leave it' option instead of the 'take it' option.

I wasn't aware that BDA had said "we're going to disband the rotation", is that what's being said here? That it was BDA who said the rotation is going away? Because I really got the impression it was all the other guilds opting out of it. Please clarify

[Blaza]

+1 You eat what you kill.

Someone throw a Glengarry Glenn Ross Gif in here, I'm far too lazy.

FTFM

[Kekephee]

Well this dude is a fucking idiot. Not sure why I bothered.



Answer my questions. Why was there a revision process? Who actually said, WE ARE DISBANDING THE ROTATION? Because as far as I can see the answers are "because it wasn't really take it or leave it and you're throwing a big fucking fit over rhetoric" and "it was you guys, not BDA, throwing a big fucking fit over rhetoric, so everything you've said is wrong"

[Juevento]

I do prefer to watch Loraen play his enchanter over his monk but you would be just plain wrong to say that the guild he created didn't do impressive things. 7 man Spiroc Lord kills? Even just being able to clear the vanquishers on that island with 1 group is fucking impressive.

So he found some people who can afford and right click puppet strings. That's a pretty nice achievement I guess.

[kaev]

I'm a little confused. I'm going to go through it point-by-point sometime, but for now, I have this little piece of information gnawing at my sensibilities:



Take it or leave it- revised proposal after 7 of 10 guilds said no- you guys are so pissed about this take it or leave it business, but there were revisions. I don't think your democratic process was stifled as much as you think it was

You don't understand Kekekekeke, the TMO alt guilds demand absolute veto power over any and all changes to the rotation agreement, regardless of player numbers involved or reasonableness of their own behavior.

[Kaines]

Answer my questions. Why was there a revision process? Who actually said, WE ARE DISBANDING THE ROTATION? Because as far as I can see the answers are "because it wasn't really take it or leave it and you're throwing a big fucking fit over rhetoric" and "it was you guys, not BDA, throwing a big fucking fit over rhetoric, so everything you've said is wrong"

You're asking the question that belongs in the middle of the story. The story begins with "who decided the current rotation no longer aligned with their interests and needed changing?"

[Raev]

I'm looking to buy a third pair, if anyone is selling. Offering 200k - thats like 3.5 fungi tunics at today's prices!

[Ravager]

omg I hope this shit rotation actually falls apart, that would really make my day.

This is how I imagine you: Giving the rotation brain cancer with your mind.

http://4.images.southparkstudios.com/images/shows/south-park/clip-thumbnails/season-2/0201/south-park-s02e01c09-hey-scott-guess-what-16x9.jpg?quality=0.8

You're a dick.

[jpetrick]

So he found some people who can afford and right click puppet strings. That's a pretty nice achievement I guess.

Have you tried anything on the Solo Artist's Challenge? It's not exactly easy. But go ahead and be a dick trying to insult a good player who tried to make the game more fun by adding difficulty instead of just throwing bodies at things.

[SavageBeast15]

Answer my questions. Why was there a revision process? Who actually said, WE ARE DISBANDING THE ROTATION? Because as far as I can see the answers are "because it wasn't really take it or leave it and you're throwing a big fucking fit over rhetoric" and "it was you guys, not BDA, throwing a big fucking fit over rhetoric, so everything you've said is wrong"

Glad to have you back on the boards! Almost forgot how retarded some spinsters are. You said you don't even play too... eyyy lmao

[Kekephee]

Have you tried anything on the Solo Artist's Challenge? It's not exactly easy. But go ahead and be a dick trying to insult a good player who tried to make the game more fun by adding difficulty instead of just throwing bodies at things.

I'm still waiting for you to tell me who pulled the trigger and called the death of the raid rotation. If it was BDA then your point stands, but if it was all the other guilds saying "we won't take it anymore!" after Anichek's supposed "take it or leave it" proposal was AMENDED (not how take it or leave it works, you understand) then you've got a problem.

[Anichek]

If BDA's members could see how Anicheks original postings were worded. I'm sure you all would understand why you pissed off every guild in Class R besides Taken and Divinity.

Absolutely shared this internally to BDA's gen-pop on 1/27.

[Argh]

Everyone threatening to leave the rotation is business as usual and just means that theres gonna be a long meeting and new rules soon. This isn't even close to the first time it's happened, which is the reason for everyones' indignant stances on the issue.

[Anichek]

Absolutely shared this internally to BDA's gen-pop on 1/27.

Double post!

This means we have all been bathed in the Chest Kool-Aid....hard cider showers for everyone!

[Juevento]

Have you tried anything on the Solo Artist's Challenge? It's not exactly easy. But go ahead and be a dick trying to insult a good player who tried to make the game more fun by adding difficulty instead of just throwing bodies at things.

I tried duoing Ixi a while back and got unlucky with a charm break. We threw a mage into the cleric/enchanter combo and had no issues.

But let's not forget that AT would not be able to perform their "low numbers" miracles without the effort of the Zerg guilds killing CT and getting puppet strings into the market. Also we ought to probably recognize that a charmed mob is equal to 2 DPS players. So that 7 man spiroc kill is more like 21. Too me that seems like a normal engage force.

Forgive me if I don't cream my pants over that.

[Anichek]

Everyone threatening to leave the rotation is business as usual and just means that theres gonna be a long meeting and new rules soon. This isn't even close to the first time it's happened, which is the reason for everyones' indignant stances on the issue.

Can I keep my .gif after?

[Kekephee]

Everyone threatening to leave the rotation is business as usual and just means that theres gonna be a long meeting and new rules soon. This isn't even close to the first time it's happened, which is the reason for everyones' indignant stances on the issue.

I guess I just think it's lame that everyone's trying to play it off like BDA is somehow dissolving the rotation even though a) it's not us, the fact that the proposal was amended is a clear indicator that our officers are trying to negotiate with people and b) even if they weren't, it's not like we have any kind of authority to blow up the rotation anyway. Like why is everyone treating this like some kind of fucking revolution against the totalitarian BDA when the reality of the situation is we made a proposal, it got rejected, we amended it to be more accommodating, and now everyone is like WE'RE FUCKING OUT OF HERE?

[Raev]

I couldn't duo Ixiblat or kill the Spiroc Lord with 7 players

np

[jpetrick]

I tried duoing Ixi a while back and got unlucky with a charm break. We threw a mage into the cleric/enchanter combo and had no issues.

But let's not forget that AT would not be able to perform their "low numbers" miracles without the effort of the Zerg guilds killing CT and getting puppet strings into the market. Also we ought to probably recognize that a charmed mob is equal to 2 DPS players. So that 7 man spiroc kill is more like 21. Too me that seems like a normal engage force.

Forgive me if I don't cream my pants over that.

I mean yeah except you eat a DT and now you have 5 players instead of 6 but yep thats definitely just like having 21 people there.

[Fanguru]

http://i.imgur.com/blboIol.jpg?1

[Raev]

I guess I just think it's lame that everyone's trying to play it off like BDA is somehow dissolving the rotation even though a) it's not us, the fact that the proposal was amended is a clear indicator that our officers are trying to negotiate with people and b) even if they weren't, it's not like we have any kind of authority to blow up the rotation anyway. Like why is everyone treating this like some kind of fucking revolution against the totalitarian BDA when the reality of the situation is we made a proposal, it got rejected, we amended it to be more accommodating, and now everyone is like WE'RE FUCKING OUT OF HERE?

Your amended proposal is the most asinine thing I have ever seen cross the FAP boards. YOU CANNOT POSSIBLY THINK THAT MAKING NEW GUILDS KILL TALENDOR AT 3AM TO ENTER THE ROTATION TO KILL DRACO IS A GOOD IDEA.

Anyway, I think this about my quota of RNF for the day. Good day everyone, and don't let Juevento troll you too hard Elzhi

[Anichek]

Your amended proposal is the most asinine thing I have ever seen cross the FAP boards. YOU CANNOT POSSIBLY THINK THAT MAKING NEW GUILDS KILL TALENDOR AT 3AM TO ENTER THE ROTATION TO KILL DRACO IS A GOOD IDEA.

Anyway, I think this about my quota of RNF for the day. Good day everyone, and don't let Juevento troll you too hard Elzhi

That was the amended one. What about the amended amended one?

[Argh]

I guess I just think it's lame that everyone's trying to play it off like BDA is somehow dissolving the rotation

It's most likely due to the fact that it is BDA's first foray into threatening to leave the rotation. They usually just let Taken/Div threaten to leave and then Chest tries to mediate between both sides.

Threatening to leave the rotation in FAP is literally the only way to negotiate rule changes. If nobody threatens to leave, it's just people arguing on the forums without any concrete process to change things.

[Juevento]

3am eastern is midnight PST and 3am PST is 6am. Why is the 3am kill a problem for people?

[Kekephee]

It's most likely due to the fact that it is BDA's first foray into threatening to leave the rotation. They usually just let Taken/Div threaten to leave and then Chest tries to mediate between both sides.

Threatening to leave the rotation in FAP is literally the only way to negotiate rule changes. If nobody threatens to leave, it's just people arguing on the forums without any concrete process to change things.


So if this is such a common thing why are we Hitler for doing it? Why all the knotted panties and BDA hate over it? See what I'm saying?


Your amended proposal is the most asinine thing I have ever seen cross the FAP boards. YOU CANNOT POSSIBLY THINK THAT MAKING NEW GUILDS KILL TALENDOR AT 3AM TO ENTER THE ROTATION TO KILL DRACO IS A GOOD IDEA.

Anyway, I think this about my quota of RNF for the day. Good day everyone, and don't let Juevento troll you too hard Elzhi


If I had to pick one thing about the proposal that I personally don't "get," it's the elimination of dark periods. I thought dark periods were a great idea.


But that doesn't have anything to do with what I'm asking here, which is how is it that BDA amended the proposal and is clearly interested in negotiation yet we are taking the blame for the blowup of the rotation which it seems to me everyone ELSE is leaving? This sounds a lot like a bunch of trolls trying really hard to make us look like the bad guys so that people won't be willing to negotiate with us and the rotation will, in fact, blow up.

[Argh]

3am eastern is midnight PST and 3am PST is 6am. Why is the 3am kill a problem for people?

Did you have to consult the Farmer's Almanac to do those wicked time conversions?

[Man0warr]

YOU CANNOT POSSIBLY THINK THAT MAKING NEW GUILDS KILL TALENDOR AT 3AM TO ENTER THE ROTATION TO KILL DRACO IS A GOOD IDEA.



So wait until it's a better spawn window to attempt getting in the higher tier? No where is it forcing you to attempt mobs at 3am. Do you think most of BDA answers 3am batphones? Fucking Chest doesn't, that bitch is in bed by 9pm.

It doesn't matter what mob it is that requires being killed to enter a mob rotation - if it spawns at 3am it's still inconvenient.

[Argh]

So if this is such a common thing why are we Hitler for doing it? Why all the knotted panties and BDA hate over it? See what I'm saying?

Probably because RNF has been dead for a while and everyone needs something new to be outraged about.

[Freakish]

I helped Asgard on one of their first trak kills with my rogue. And by helping, I killed trash and didn't even get in on time to stab the dragon.

Im told they were given shit about that and that's when I decided class R was a hive of scum and villains.

[Blaza]

Did you have to consult the Farmer's Almanac to do those wicked time conversions?

+1

[Ravager]

Your amended proposal is the most asinine thing I have ever seen cross the FAP boards. YOU CANNOT POSSIBLY THINK THAT MAKING NEW GUILDS KILL TALENDOR AT 3AM TO ENTER THE ROTATION TO KILL DRACO IS A GOOD IDEA.

Anyway, I think this about my quota of RNF for the day. Good day everyone, and don't let Juevento troll you too hard Elzhi

Because dragons only ever spawn at 3am in all time zones.

[jpetrick]

Anyway, I think this about my quota of RNF for the day. Good day everyone, and don't let Juevento troll you too hard Elzhi

And my quota for the next few months again. Don't worry I realized that he just wants to be willfully ignorant. I guess the people in here get off on it or something.

[sanforce]

So BDA is proposing Tiers within Tiers? We're going ever deeper into this EQ dream world ...

http://media.giphy.com/media/9mmWez1yhWNXO/giphy.gif

[Juevento]

Did you have to consult the Farmer's Almanac to do those wicked time conversions?

No but people cling to this 3am thing like its a problem. Most guilds have solid forces in multiple time zones. If your guild doesn't, call up one of the real raiding guilds in class r and say hey, this was a really bad pop time for us. We'll take the strike, this mob is going class r FFA.
And then move on.

[Ezalor]

A few facts:

There were rotations in classic.

Vast majority of people saw the rotation as an improvement of the previous system.

Vast majority of people don't hold raiding as their only priority in playing here and accept that any raiding system will be inevitably flawed.

Raiding is only one aspect of the game, and most people with "responsibilities" that you speak of accept that this will be a compromise and aren't trying to relive being 13-years-old.

It's a free, private server. Nobody is forcing you to stay here if you hate it this much.

[Kekephee]

Probably because RNF has been dead for a while and everyone needs something new to be outraged about.

Fair enough.

[Ella'Ella]

So BDA is proposing tears within tears? We're going ever deeper into this EQ dream world ...

http://media.giphy.com/media/9mmWez1yhWNXO/giphy.gif

ftfy

[Blaza]

And my quota for the next few months again. Don't worry I realized that he just wants to be willfully ignorant. I guess the people in here get off on it or something.

The solution is obvious.

BDA splits into 40 guilds "BDA1-40"

BDA1-40 then petitions to get on the rotation in 40 slots.

BDA 1-40 then teams up on mobs

The loot is split, with the other 39 BDAs who were not up for the mob not losing their position in the rotation.

Then they can take just one slot for Gorenaire in a team up, cause fu Gorenaire anyway.

Profit.

[Kekephee]

The solution is obvious.

BDA splits into 40 guilds "BDA1-40"

BDA1-40 then petitions to get on the rotation in 40 slots.

BDA 1-40 then teams up on mobs

The loot is split, with the other 39 BDAs who were not up for the mob not losing their position in the rotation.

Then they can take just one slot for Gorenaire in a team up, cause fu Gorenaire anyway.

Profit.


Can I be guild leader of BDA 13

[Swish]

...

http://media.giphy.com/media/HPttmlorTQuvm/giphy.gif

[Swish]

http://i.imgur.com/blboIol.jpg?1

Not from standing in EC 24/7 he won't.

[Swish]

BDA gettin merked in these threads... yet to see any kind of decent post from them either.

[Blaza]

BDA gettin merked in these threads... yet to see any kind of decent post from them either.

I believe my 40 guild 'Super BDA' get the point across nicely. Choke the rotation to death.

[harnold]

i know you guys have a failing player run rotation for class R, but thats not at all what this is about.

GM-enforced rotation would work fine, and as mentioned, is CLASSIC (on select servers) Anyone who isnt a 13 year old can understand that the compromise would be not being able to gear up your 7th character with best in slot gear as quickly. We have been in kunark for 4 years, there is no rush.

[Juevento]

And I think I got my A-Team isn't all that great point across as well. I feel pretty satisfied with the outcome.

[Juevento]

The outcome of course being its a few hours closer to being done with work for the week...

[Cecily]

Life was better under your TMO overlords. If you lay down your weapons and come home to your rightful master, we will bear you no malice. You will be allowed to farm platinum in the mines of Sebilis and Chardok. Refuse and continue your insurrection at your own peril. None shall be spared.

You have until Velious to reply.

[Juevento]

You should have just logged on your officially tagged Asgard toon like the rest of TMO.

[kaev]

The outcome of course being its a few hours closer to being done with work for the week...

/thread

[Swish]

That's exactly what someone who has an alt in Omni would say!

I must admit I think Omni is harboring a lot of guild tourists.

[skipdog]

It's cute that you guys want to keep clinging to this 'BUT PEOPLE CAN JUST CREATE TONS OF GUILDS AND COLLUDE AND IT'LL CREATE THIS RIDICULOUS LONG ROTATION LIST' scenario.

That scenario wasn't happening. It wasn't going to happen. Again, we are looking at maybe 2-4 kills/month where class R guilds got some help from another R guild at 3am. How does that matter at all?? It's such a minuscule amount of loot.

I think the fact that some of you bigger guilds had to create such a stink over some of the smaller guilds helping each other when stuff spawned at god awful times, is so hilarious and pathetic, considering BDA's history and it's attitude towards the 'evil zerg guilds who ruin the server by caring too much about pixels'.

You big guilds can do what you want, but don't pretend that this 'end of the rotation' was anything except the big class R guilds being upset that they can't get even more pixels than the smaller guilds who can't always field a full crew at 3am.

[Kushie]

Dibs on leadership of BDA 33.


It's just a good number.

[Kekephee]

I just wish there was a BDA 69 so we could have a cutthroat in-guild war over who gets to lead it that winds up destroying us completely

[Amra]

BDA 42 is the answer to everything!!

[zanderklocke]

Regardless of stance and desire to challenge posts in here, I request that no more A-Team continue to argue in this thread, as this is not the place to do so.

Briscoe and I represented A-Team in the discussions, and regardless of who did or did not break the rotation, A-Team chose to leave with other guilds based on frustration with how negotiations were carried out or not carried out and the belief that we were not allowed to provide input that was truly considered in any revisions made.

The A-Team wishes no ill will on any guilds on this server; this includes BDA, Taken, and Divinity. However, we will not support policies we are not allowed to provide input on, and if the only alternative to supporting a policy we do not agree with is leaving said rotation or coalition, we will do so in the future. We will choose to remain amiable with any guilds on this server regardless of the past, and we expect them to do so as well with us.

We will not name call anymore in this thread, and we would hope other guilds choose to act similarly.

-Zanderr

[Paleman]

A few facts:

There were rotations in classic.

Vast majority of people saw the rotation as an improvement of the previous system.

Vast majority of people don't hold raiding as their only priority in playing here and accept that any raiding system will be inevitably flawed.

Raiding is only one aspect of the game, and most people with "responsibilities" that you speak of accept that this will be a compromise and aren't trying to relive being 13-years-old.

It's a free, private server. Nobody is forcing you to stay here if you hate it this much.


saying vast majority and attributing it to a fact is just asking for trouble.


also rotations on live were built around smaller populations because everquest had way more servers to distribute their population. This is one server where EVERYONE has to be submitted to a rotation.

Its obvious that the majority doesn't raid as hard as the most geared people here. But there has to obviously be a path to being able to do so for everyone. Given what the proposal says it makes it difficult to do with a new guild that has intentions to raid.

we all know this is emu, it doesnt mean we need to like whats established. If anything it should be alot more player driven and managed than live.

[Kekephee]

Regardless of stance and desire to challenge posts in here, I request that no more A-Team continue to argue in this thread, as this is not the place to do so.

Briscoe and I represented A-Team in the discussions, and regardless of who did or did not break the rotation, A-Team chose to leave with other guilds based on frustration with how negotiations were carried out or not carried out and the belief that we were not allowed to provide input that was truly considered in any revisions made.

The A-Team wishes no ill will on any guilds on this server; this includes BDA, Taken, and Divinity. However, we will not support policies we are not allowed to provide input on, and if the only alternative to supporting a policy we do not agree with is leaving said rotation or coalition, we will do so in the future. We will choose to remain amiable with any guilds on this server regardless of the past, and we expect them to do so as well with us.

We will not name call anymore in this thread, and we would hope other guilds choose to act similarly.

-Zanderr

You should make an exception for Argh and let him keep posting anywhere he wants, because he's the only person in this thread who's made any fucking sense

[Blaza]

It's cute that you guys want to keep clinging to this 'BUT PEOPLE CAN JUST CREATE TONS OF GUILDS AND COLLUDE AND IT'LL CREATE THIS RIDICULOUS LONG ROTATION LIST' scenario.

That scenario wasn't happening. It wasn't going to happen. Again, we are looking at maybe 2-4 kills/month where class R guilds got some help from another R guild at 3am. How does that matter at all?? It's such a minuscule amount of loot.

I think the fact that some of you bigger guilds had to create such a stink over some of the smaller guilds helping each other when stuff spawned at god awful times, is so hilarious and pathetic, considering BDA's history and it's attitude towards the 'evil zerg guilds who ruin the server by caring too much about pixels'.

You big guilds can do what you want, but don't pretend that this 'end of the rotation' was anything except the big class R guilds being upset that they can't get even more pixels than the smaller guilds who can't always field a full crew at 3am.

1. Its the same guilds always requiring help, yes? What percentage of certain guilds' kills are team efforts?

Its all academic, as Velious will supposedly do away with the class system, causing these same smaller guilds to jump ship to guilds that can handle Velious raid mobs (TMO, IB, Taken, BDA)

[Blaza]

Regardless of stance and desire to challenge posts in here, I request that no more A-Team continue to argue in this thread, as this is not the place to do so.

Briscoe and I represented A-Team in the discussions, and regardless of who did or did not break the rotation, A-Team chose to leave with other guilds based on frustration with how negotiations were carried out or not carried out and the belief that we were not allowed to provide input that was truly considered in any revisions made.

The A-Team wishes no ill will on any guilds on this server; this includes BDA, Taken, and Divinity. However, we will not support policies we are not allowed to provide input on, and if the only alternative to supporting a policy we do not agree with is leaving said rotation or coalition, we will do so in the future. We will choose to remain amiable with any guilds on this server regardless of the past, and we expect them to do so as well with us.

We will not name call anymore in this thread, and we would hope other guilds choose to act similarly.

-Zanderr

So wait, is the rotation actually over? For realsies?

[rubinoff]

The box has changed. I feel it in the water. I feel it in the earth. I smell it in the air. Much that once was is lost. For none now play who remember it. It began with the forging of the great Pixels. Three were given to the casual scum, immortal, wisest and fairest of all beings. Seven to the neckbeards, great campers and poopsockers of rare spawns. And nine, nine Pixels were gifted to the hardcore raiders, who above all else desired loots. For within these pixels was bound the strength and will to dominate server content.

But they were all of them deceived, for an agreement was made. In the land of Forumquest, in the fires RNF, the players and staff forged in secret a master rotation to control all others, and into this agreement, they poured their fairness, their justice, and their will to regulate all raiding. One rotation to rule them all.

Meanwhile, one by one the free guilds of P99 fell to the power of TMO. But there were some who resisted. A last alliance of casuals and neckbeards marched against the armies of TMO and on the threads of RNF, they fought for the freedom of P99. Victory was near but the power of the Pixel could not be undone. It was in this moment when all hope had faded that Rogean, Lord of the Box, took up his banhammer... Zeelot, the enemy of the casuals of P99 was defeated.

The Pixels passed to Zagum, who had this one chance to obstruct any agreement forever. But the hardcores were easily convinced. And the Pixels have a will of their own. They betrayed old TMO to its death. And some things that should not have been forgotten were lost. History became legend, legend became myth, and for twelve and a half months, the Pixels passed out of all knowledge until, when chance came, they ensnared a new bearer. The Pixels came to the creature Chest who took them deep into the basement of his mother's house and there it consumed him. The Pixels brought to Chest unnatural long playtimes. For five months, they poisoned his life. And in the gloom of Chest's bedroom, they waited.

Darkness crept back into the forums. Rumor grew of a shadow in the rotation, whimpers of unfairness and the Pixels perceived their time had now come. They abandoned the rotation. But something happened the Pixels did not intend. They were picked up by the most unlikely creatures imaginable: casual scum, Taken, BDA, and Divinity. For the times will soon come when Casuals will shape the fortunes of us all...

We need more posts like this. If you can't follow up this masterpiece with something better you should stop posting in the thread.

[sanforce]

The box has changed. I feel it in the water. I feel it in the earth. I smell it in the air. Much that once was is lost. For none now play who remember it. It began with the forging of the great Pixels. Three were given to the casual scum, immortal, wisest and fairest of all beings. Seven to the neckbeards, great campers and poopsockers of rare spawns. And nine, nine Pixels were gifted to the hardcore raiders, who above all else desired loots. For within these pixels was bound the strength and will to dominate server content.

But they were all of them deceived, for an agreement was made. In the land of Forumquest, in the fires RNF, the players and staff forged in secret a master rotation to control all others, and into this agreement, they poured their fairness, their justice, and their will to regulate all raiding. One rotation to rule them all.

Meanwhile, one by one the free guilds of P99 fell to the power of TMO. But there were some who resisted. A last alliance of casuals and neckbeards marched against the armies of TMO and on the threads of RNF, they fought for the freedom of P99. Victory was near but the power of the Pixel could not be undone. It was in this moment when all hope had faded that Rogean, Lord of the Box, took up his banhammer... Zeelot, the enemy of the casuals of P99 was defeated.

The Pixels passed to Zagum, who had this one chance to obstruct any agreement forever. But the hardcores were easily convinced. And the Pixels have a will of their own. They betrayed old TMO to its death. And some things that should not have been forgotten were lost. History became legend, legend became myth, and for twelve and a half months, the Pixels passed out of all knowledge until, when chance came, they ensnared a new bearer. The Pixels came to the creature Chest who took them deep into the basement of his mother's house and there it consumed him. The Pixels brought to Chest unnatural long playtimes. For five months, they poisoned his life. And in the gloom of Chest's bedroom, they waited.

Darkness crept back into the forums. Rumor grew of a shadow in the rotation, whimpers of unfairness and the Pixels perceived their time had now come. They abandoned the rotation. But something happened the Pixels did not intend. They were picked up by the most unlikely creatures imaginable: casual scum, Taken, BDA, and Divinity. For the times will soon come when Casuals will shape the fortunes of us all...

haha, this post deserves a thread of its own. RIP Zeelot, RIP Zagum

[Ezalor]

The average server on Live had at least 2,500 people, so no.

[sanforce]

saying vast majority and attributing it to a fact is just asking for trouble.


also rotations on live were built around smaller populations because everquest had way more servers to distribute their population. This is one server where EVERYONE has to be submitted to a rotation.

Its obvious that the majority doesn't raid as hard as the most geared people here. But there has to obviously be a path to being able to do so for everyone. Given what the proposal says it makes it difficult to do with a new guild that has intentions to raid.

we all know this is emu, it doesnt mean we need to like whats established. If anything it should be alot more player driven and managed than live.

Stop talking about raiding, you wimpy level 47 monk. You are allowed to talk about P1999 raiding after getting at least 1 character to 60.

[Paleman]

The average server on Live had at least 2,500 people, so no.

yeah 2500 + people in a game where everything wasnt as documented and mastered as it is now.... alot more low level people then than now. I understand your claim but cant find the comparison.

[Diabolos]

Let's find out! :P

[Paleman]

I already raid. You dont need to be level 60 to have this apply to you.

[Valakut]

http://wepump.in/sfw/0000012ck.gif

[Man0warr]

The Rathe had a rotation for the entire time I was there, and it was one of the largest servers (that got split eventually).

[Ezalor]

I am not sure what the hell you're talking about, Paleman. It seemed like you were saying that a rotation could not work on a large population server, which isn't true. Then you started talking about how there should be a path for everyone to raid, which was completely out of nowhere and I didn't say anything against that.

It's a bit early to be drinking, bro.

[Argh]

You should make an exception for Argh and let him keep posting anywhere he wants, because he's the only person in this thread who's made any fucking sense

You think some bozo from my elf clan could tell me not to post in elf sim forum thread X?

[Kekephee]

You think some bozo from my elf clan could tell me not to post in elf sim forum thread X?

Argh, you're my boy

[ArumTP]

You should have just logged on your officially tagged Asgard toon like the rest of TMO.

Butchh came from asgard, before that he was nothing. He felt like helping some old buddies. Why do people insist on some type of Asgard/TMO conspiracy

[Juevento]

You think some bozo from my elf clan could tell me not to post in elf sim forum thread X?

Now that's real truth.

[Kaines]

We need more posts like this. If you can't follow up this masterpiece with something better you should stop posting in the thread.

You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has loots. And those loots have to be farmed by guilds with neckbeards. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Chest? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for the casuals and you curse Class C. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that the death of Class R, while tragic, probably saved pixels. And competition's existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves pixels...You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in EC tunnel, you want me on that raid. You need me on that raid.
We use words like competition, poopsocking, epics...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent raiding something. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of competition I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick a guild tag and stand at a spawn point. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to!

[quido]

I think Asgard is complete trash and full of retards.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Can I be guild leader of BDA 13

BDA 13 is comprised entirely of rangers and one exasperated cleric. We can barely clear Fire Giants. Good luck.

[cs616]

Love how BDA is defending against a lot of the same accusations they were throwing at class C guilds, and using the same arguments class C did. Anyone remember Taken saving BDA at naggy? Guess teaming up there is fine, just as long as you claim there wasn't an agreement before hand.

BDA worried about smaller guilds that are unable to mobilize for a mob like the larger guilds getting welfare pixels? That sure sounds familiar too. Maybe the smaller guilds don't want to have huge rosters of people who can play around the clock, because that isn't their play style. Just like having to compete with FE/IB/TMO wasn't BDA's playstyle.

Seems to me that BDA and a couple other guilds are in a sort of middle ground of quasi-"hard core" raiding - not willing to compete with IB/TMO and not wanting to allow more casual guilds an even split. They feel like they should get more based on their ability and willingness to do what it takes to kill mobs. That sounds familiar too.

Given that class C was created because BDA didn't want to play the game the same way hard core guild do, it's ammusing that they're now the people trying to force others to play the game their way. The hard core guilds don't try to make rules that force people how to play, they just adapt to whatever rules are set. Sure, everyone lobbies for rules that benefit them, but the server is in the state it is because it has become common practice to respond to every casual cry and complaint about fairness by adding more rules under the guise of creating fairness. If this wasn't common practice, rule lawyering wouldn't be effective because it wouldn't be worth anyone's time. We're in this situation because of our willingness to alter rules to try and make everyone happy.

Best thing for the server IMO would be to remove all raid rules on velious launch and just let the players figure it out. The only reason this server was dominated by one guild is because no one cared enough to challenge them 3 years into Kunark until FE formed and IB came back, and the rules had nothing to do with that. Having 2-3 "raid guilds" and a bunch of lower tier raiding guilds is classic, and the player crafted rules here do nothing but breed entitlement.

[YendorLootmonkey]

It's cute that you guys want to keep clinging to this 'BUT PEOPLE CAN JUST CREATE TONS OF GUILDS AND COLLUDE AND IT'LL CREATE THIS RIDICULOUS LONG ROTATION LIST' scenario.

That scenario wasn't happening. It wasn't going to happen. Again, we are looking at maybe 2-4 kills/month where class R guilds got some help from another R guild at 3am. How does that matter at all?? It's such a minuscule amount of loot

A) kind of like some guilds are clinging to this 'EVERY FUCKING RAID MOB SPAWNS AT 3AM!' scenario?

B) if it's such an insignificant amount of loot, why are 7 guilds in an uproar about it? Sounds like it must have been fairly significant to provoke this sort of reaction.

[Juevento]

And your opinion of the current TMO incarnation?

[Man0warr]

Love how BDA is defending against a lot of the same accusations they were throwing at class C guilds, and using the same arguments class C did. Anyone remember Taken saving BDA at naggy? Guess teaming up there is fine, just as long as you claim there wasn't an agreement before hand.


Other way around, and Taken didn't need saving.



Given that class C was created because BDA didn't want to play the game the same way hard core guild do, it's ammusing that they're now the people trying to force others to play the game their way. The hard core guilds don't try to make rules that force people how to play, they just adapt to whatever rules are set. Sure, everyone lobbies for rules that benefit them, but the server is in the state it is because it has become common practice to respond to every casual cry and complaint about fairness by adding more rules under the guise of creating fairness. If this wasn't common practice, rule lawyering wouldn't be effective because it wouldn't be worth anyone's time. We're in this situation because of our willingness to alter rules to try and make everyone happy.

Class C was created because Rogean was tired of TMO/IB/FE shitting everything up for the whole server.

While Chest was vocal, every none TMO/IB/FE guild wanted changes that created segregation between the two playstyles.

[cs616]

It may have been BDA saving taken at naggy now that I think about it. Either way you get the point. Also, hilarious to see BDA jokingly threaten to split into numerous smaller guilds... That sounds familiar too.

[skipdog]

It is incredibly hilarious to watch BDA members trot out literally the exact same arguments class C members used against them a year ago to justify their desire to break the rotation. I remember BDA members crying about not wanting to have to recruit zerg members to compete, and how they all have lives and jobs and can't be expected to kill stuff at 3am like some no-life neckbeards in TMO. And now they have demanded that these other smaller class R guilds, resort to zerg recruiting in order to 'earn their pixels'. I might have to start digging up quotes from BDA members a year ago to show how some of you are literally using the exact arguments TMO did.

It boggles my mind, that some BDA members can be so blind to how BDA is now acting in this exact scenario. It basically goes against everything BDA has ever said about how they wish to approach raid scene on this server.

[Funkutron5000]

It may have been BDA saving taken at naggy now that I think about it. Either way you get the point. Also, hilarious to see BDA jokingly threaten to split into numerous smaller guilds... That sounds familiar too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-Elr5K2Vuo

[Kekephee]

It may have been BDA saving taken at naggy now that I think about it. Either way you get the point. Also, hilarious to see BDA jokingly threaten to split into numerous smaller guilds... That sounds familiar too.

Your point is that we're championing "no help for anyone ever" but what we're championing is "no permanent and consistent alliances that allow guilds that can't kill mobs to still have spots on the rotation because they just get help every single time the mobs pop." I'm sure you must see the difference.

And who cares what we're joking about? "Jokingly threaten" is such a hilarious choice of words. A threat is a threat, a joke is a joke, you can't make a threat without trying to convince someone that it's real and you can't make a joke about something you actually plan to do, and it's beyond clear which of those "BDA 1-40" is.

[Kekephee]

It is incredibly hilarious to watch BDA members trot out literally the exact same arguments class C members used against them a year ago to justify their desire to break the rotation. I remember BDA members crying about not wanting to have to recruit zerg members to compete, and how they all have lives and jobs and can't be expected to kill stuff at 3am like some no-life neckbeards in TMO. And now they have demanded that these other smaller class R guilds, resort to zerg recruiting in order to 'earn their pixels'. I might have to start digging up quotes from BDA members a year ago to show how some of you are literally using the exact arguments TMO did.

It boggles my mind, that some BDA members can be so blind to how BDA is now acting in this exact scenario. It basically goes against everything BDA has ever said about how they wish to approach raid scene on this server.

See above for difference

Further explanation:

Once again, raid rotation was meant to give everyone who was capable of killing mobs the chance to kill them, not to make the whole server stand there watching impotently as a group of 6 wipes on Trak a million times because they have a spot in the rotation. If you can't kill the mob, you shouldn't be on the rotation for it. That's different from never getting to kill a mob you can kill because one guild is willing to sit on a spawn point for a week spamming javs.

[Clasick]

BDA trying to force their play style on other class R guilds.
Such fucking hypocrites

[Amra]

It may have been BDA saving taken at naggy now that I think about it. Either way you get the point. Also, hilarious to see BDA jokingly threaten to split into numerous smaller guilds... That sounds familiar too.

Didn't we get suspended from the Next Class R Naggy? Or that didn't happen?

Sorry I don't care about Naggy.

[kaev]

BDA trying to force their play style on other class R guilds.
Such fucking hypocrites

0 out of 2 correct, but then you knew that already

[Man0warr]

It boggles my mind, that some BDA members can be so blind to how BDA is now acting in this exact scenario. It basically goes against everything BDA has ever said about how they wish to approach raid scene on this server.

BDA wants to get rid of poopsocking, variance, and the culture of training at VP/planes that currently goes on in Class C and formerly went on before for every raid mob.

That has no bearing on the current Class R discussions.

Also, BDA (mostly Anichek) has been the one mediating and trying to keep the rotation together for the last year.

[Amra]

BDA trying to force their play style on other class R guilds.
Such fucking hypocrites

We aren't forcing shit, but if your guild needs help on every 3rd mob you killed why the fuck are you at the table?

If we don't do something now that rotation is going to get even more ridiculous with all these new smaller guilds wanting a piece of the pie. We have enough raiding guilds already...just join of the existing ones ffs.

[YendorLootmonkey]

It is incredibly hilarious to watch BDA members trot out literally the exact same arguments class C members used against them a year ago to justify their desire to break the rotation. I remember BDA members crying about not wanting to have to recruit zerg members to compete, and how they all have lives and jobs and can't be expected to kill stuff at 3am like some no-life neckbeards in TMO. And now they have demanded that these other smaller class R guilds, resort to zerg recruiting in order to 'earn their pixels'. I might have to start digging up quotes from BDA members a year ago to show how some of you are literally using the exact arguments TMO did.

It boggles my mind, that some BDA members can be so blind to how BDA is now acting in this exact scenario. It basically goes against everything BDA has ever said about how they wish to approach raid scene on this server.

i believe we were always concerned about guilds who can't kill the mob somehow being on the rotation for the mob? That hasn't changed.

You think this Class C/Class R system is gonna stick around once Velious drops? Good luck with that. So Class R has two options... foster SOME semblance of urgency to kill the mobs while the rotation still allows us to do so uncontested, to better prep us all for the Velious shitshow, or we can all be completely non-competitive against Class C guilds while they roll all over us when everything goes back to FFA.

Which do you think is better for the entirety of the server? TMO/IB dominating the raid scene once again because we all got fat and lazy with "welfare loot"? Or some of us at least standing a chance at the race for targets?

At least BDA, Taken, and Divinity have the fucking foresight to see the writing on the wall.

[Argh]

It is incredibly hilarious to watch BDA members trot out literally the exact same arguments class C members used against them a year ago to justify their desire to break the rotation. I remember BDA members crying about not wanting to have to recruit zerg members to compete, and how they all have lives and jobs and can't be expected to kill stuff at 3am like some no-life neckbeards in TMO. And now they have demanded that these other smaller class R guilds, resort to zerg recruiting in order to 'earn their pixels'. I might have to start digging up quotes from BDA members a year ago to show how some of you are literally using the exact arguments TMO did.

It boggles my mind, that some BDA members can be so blind to how BDA is now acting in this exact scenario. It basically goes against everything BDA has ever said about how they wish to approach raid scene on this server.

These are just from one shitty thread about how the mobs per month in a rotation would really be 2.69 mobs per month per guild.


2.69 > 0

/thread

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133512&page=2

The tier2 guilds are committed to rotating whatever mobs they are allotted. None of them want the "competition" this server breeds. If mobs get imperceptibly thin, tier2 can renegotiate amongst themselves. On the upside, having a solid foundation in place when Velious is released means when raid content increases by 2-5 times, then the transition will be easier and we won't all be raid suspended as Velious is released while we negotiate new terms.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133512&page=2

A guild that does not want to continue to play under the restrictions of Tier2 can always be requested to be moved up to Tier 1... Im sure tier 1 would welcome the "competition"

Everyone that is currently labled as tier 2 are probably happy they are going to be able to see any raid targets at all now, compared to before where they did not. The upper end Tier 2 guilds are more than happy to concede the extra targets they "may" have gotten in a less restrictive agreement. This is because under the tier 2 playstyle, even though we may see a few less targets in the higher end of tier 2, we will finally see some targets that we never got to see in the previous abusive environment. (AKA Venril Sathir, Trakanon, and Cazic Thule)

I see tier 1 and tier 2 as different playstyles, not different ranks.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133512&page=2

Everyone has certainly gotten more cynical in their view of seeing raid mobs.

[Oleris]

I think Asgard is complete trash and full of retards.

You hurt my feelings :*(

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/861/756/99f.gif

[Troubled]

So if this is such a common thing why are we Hitler for doing it? Why all the knotted panties and BDA hate over it?

Chest.

[Troubled]

BDA gettin merked in these threads... yet to see any kind of decent post from them either.

Looking in RNF for a decent post.

http://i.imgur.com/WXXrvOc.gif

[chief]

wait why on this classic eq server is there a tiered raiding system, shits not classic

[Pint]

I think Asgard is complete trash and full of retards.

three cheers for this guy

[Pint]

Butchh came from asgard, before that he was nothing. He felt like helping some old buddies. Why do people insist on some type of Asgard/TMO conspiracy

if they stick by the assumption that we are all just tmo alts then they can treat us like shit on a daily basis and not feel bad about it. pretty basic p99 101 here.

[sanforce]

wait why on this classic eq server is there a tiered raiding system, shits not classic

Remember, BDA is trying to set tiers with tiers now, and is creating tears within tears.

[Clasick]

these new smaller guilds wanting a piece of the pie. We have enough raiding guilds already...just join of the existing ones ffs.

Ok so the truth is coming out I get it.
More pixels are required for BDA and fuck any other non Zerg guilds. What part of your post was not trying to tell other players to enjoy the game ? Seriously, chest has been feeding you guys so much bullshit you are actually believing BDA are the white knights here. Pull your head out of your ass and quit being such an obvious loot whore.

Go ahead and join class C because it's so obviously the play style you are promoting. I don't want to hear another word how BDA does not want to play in the competitive class. You are doing everything in your power to secure more mobs for your guild and trying to deny the other class R guilds. So transparent it's comical

[YendorLootmonkey]

Ok so the truth is coming out I get it.
More pixels are required for BDA and fuck any other non Zerg guilds. What part of your post was not trying to tell other players to enjoy the game ? Seriously, chest has been feeding you guys so much bullshit you are actually believing BDA are the white knights here. Pull your head out of your ass and quit being such an obvious loot whore.

Go ahead and join class C because it's so obviously the play style you are promoting. I don't want to hear another word how BDA does not want to play in the competitive class. You are doing everything in your power to secure more mobs for your guild and trying to deny the other class R guilds. So transparent it's comical

If by "securing more mobs for our guild" you mean "eliminating a loophole which the guilds who can't kill the mobs when they spawn without help were able to pad the rotation out amongst themselves at the expense of guilds who can kill the mobs when they spawn", then I guess you're right.

If this isn't actually what is happening, then why the tears over the proposal? Work to tweak/negotiate some of the proposals around the different tiers.

[YendorLootmonkey]

if they stick by the assumption that we are all just tmo alts then they can treat us like shit on a daily basis and not feel bad about it. pretty basic p99 101 here.

It's going to be so amusing when Velious drops, "Order 66" is given, and all the TMO alts spread out among the Class R guilds are recalled to take their TMO tag and go camp out at various raid targets, diminishing each guild's manpower by 75%. :)

[uygi]

Revert everything, VP trainswars, no C/R/FFA, no bag limit. No holds barred grudge match til Velious.

[Psionide]

Should just go back to the old system where TMO/IB got every single mob except maybe a fay or inny. These guilds like Moonlight Crusaders would never have seen ANY mobs in the old system.

[Clasick]

If this isn't actually what is happening, then why the tears over the proposal?

Do i have to spell it out for you ?
I don't think the majority of guilds object to keeping each other from manipulating the system. The problem almost everyone has is with the ridiculous proposal BDA/Div/Taken are championing. They very fact your guild came up with that steaming pile of shit proposal and presented it as take it or leave it speak volumes. I can't believe this proposal is so bad your making me agree with Lord Bob.

[Blaza]

Do i have to spell it out for you ?
I don't think the majority of guilds object to keeping each other from manipulating the system. The problem almost everyone has is with the ridiculous proposal BDA/Div/Taken are championing. They very fact your guild came up with that steaming pile of shit proposal and presented it as take it or leave it speak volumes. I can't believe this proposal is so bad your making me agree with Lord Bob.

I like the take it or leave it function. Should just go straight FFA. Smaller guilds getting raid targets they never would have seen on the old system...you figure they would be happy. Then the fact they may get less pixels leads to all out stamping of feet.

The simple fact that the barrier to entry is killing a 32k dragon, and some guilds are upset about that, shows how fractured R is. You should be able to down Gorenaire as a guild. That simple.

ESPECIALLY with the new resist system. 3/4s of his cold ae can be resisted with 255 CR.

[Errakus]

This sounds a lot like a bunch of trolls trying really hard to make us look like the bad guys so that people won't be willing to negotiate with us and the rotation will, in fact, blow up.

Have you read literally anything Chest or anyone in BDA has posted here or are you literally so retarded you believe Chest/BDA's load of shit?

Seriously wondering.

[Errakus]

Have you read literally anything Chest or anyone in BDA has posted here or are you literally so retarded you believe Chest/BDA's load of shit?

Seriously wondering.

Oh, you've been gone 3 months... Welcome back.

PS- Chest's a cunt and no one likes him EXCEPT BDA members.

[Errakus]

If at the end of all this drama Lord Bob ends up being the "good guy", that is going to be like finding out Lee Harvey Oswald is a vigilante hero because Kennedy was actually a child molester. This whole thing is just super.

This is GOLD.

[Blaza]

Revert everything, VP trainswars, no C/R/FFA, no bag limit. No holds barred grudge match til Velious.

+1

[quido]

I miss train wars - much more a test of skill than the retardation that is blue VP now.

[Blaza]

I miss train wars - much more a test of skill than the retardation that is blue VP now.

I remember back in the TMO vs BDA days a 3 hr CR in VP due to nonstop training. Sounds awful, but I thought it was fun.

[Ravager]

I miss train wars - much more a test of skill than the retardation that is blue VP now.

Less a test of skill and more a test of will. It takes a special kind of nobody to piss away their time like that.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Do i have to spell it out for you ?
I don't think the majority of guilds object to keeping each other from manipulating the system. The problem almost everyone has is with the ridiculous proposal BDA/Div/Taken are championing. They very fact your guild came up with that steaming pile of shit proposal and presented it as take it or leave it speak volumes. I can't believe this proposal is so bad your making me agree with Lord Bob.

I'll bite.

1) No more "dark hours"

What is the issue with this? If you're up for your mob, cover the entire raid window. This is going to be the case for Velious if you want any raid mobs once this class system goes out the window and everything goes FFA, so wouldn't it make sense to prep your guild for this now, or figure out among the smaller guilds some sort of alliance or merger to cover the raid window? If you can't do this now, your guild is probably going to die off in Velious as your members migrate to the guilds (probably TMO for easy loots) that ARE covering the spawn windows and killing the shit... so we're kicking everyone in the pants to create the infrastructure/alliance now. If you lack the foresight to see why this is important, then you're doing your own guild a disservice by re-directing the attention on "BIG BAD BDA" instead of leading your guild down a path of preparation and success.

2) No more alliances AND solo slots

As mentioned before, you can't have your cake and eat it too. This has been a point of contention back since TMO/IB cut VD out of the Trak rotation because "it wasn't fair for IB and VD to raid together any other time, and then have IB and VD get individual slots in the Trak rotation." We have seen this distinction as recently as IB/FE raiding jointly and only getting two trackers for that alliance instead of two trackers for IB and two trackers for FE. The precedence is there. Don't bitch about being held accountable for this in Class R as well. If you want to raid with another guild, fine, but it needs to be done consistently. Not when it is convenient for you so as to not pad out the rotation artificially, as shown by the above precedents.

3) Grace Period

Again, this is prep for Velious. If your guild cannot down a target, uncontested, in 60 minutes, you have very little chance in Velious when shit is going to be engaged in the first 5-10 minutes -- so get the infrastructure in place now. That's all we're asking everyone to do. Yeah, you might miss a few of these consistent 3AM dragons everyone is talking about. You're going to miss 100% of them in Velious when everything is FFA anyway... so again, either form up an alliance and stick with it, or merge. Prepare for Velious. Unless you want the Class C guilds to dominate us again for another 3 years before Rogean steps in.

4) Tiers

I'm going to be up front and say these should probably be tweaked in my retarded, uninformed opinion, but even if they aren't, the point is to keep the guilds that can't kill a certain level of content on their own within their own tier of mobs so they're not padding out the rotation for guilds that are more capable. Many Live servers had a Tier system in place for their rotations to keep the guilds spread out amongst their respective capabilities. It was a huge achievement for a guild to jump to the next tier, and probably made it more exciting/challenging -- something for each guild to work and strive for.

If you can't band together your guild to kill Gorenaire, a 32K mob with an AE and a CH that's easily defeated by melee push, then what the hell are you going to do when Velious opens with raid targets with many times more HP and damage output?

So what's the point of contention again?

Instead of bickering amongst ourselves, turning BDA into the bad guys for going along with something apparently Taken/Divinity have been pressing for months, calling Chest a grimy piece of shit (leave that to BDA), destroying the rotation, and turning against each other -- WHICH GUESS WHAT... THAT'S PRECISELY WHAT CLASS C GUILDS WANT WHILE THEY GO BEAT THE LOOT PINATA! -- why don't we all do our due diligence in at least becoming halfway competitive so we don't get our collective asses handed to us by TMO and IB when Velious drops? Why are BDA, Taken, and Divinity the only guilds seeing the big picture here for the non-Class C guilds?

[Detoxx]

Have you tried anything on the Solo Artist's Challenge? It's not exactly easy. But go ahead and be a dick trying to insult a good player who tried to make the game more fun by adding difficulty instead of just throwing bodies at things.

Plenty of people, myself included, have done several of the things on that "Solo Artists Thread" but we elect to not brag about it. Just saying

[Bboboo]

http://i.imgur.com/RH5KsqY.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ltbUA2U.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/rfo8KvC.jpg

Will it ever be possible for the rotation again?

[khanable]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/Rotating_earth_(large).gif

[Argh]

Good thing you guys are training everyone for Velious content that your guild can't kill--how magnanimous.

[Gimp]

Plenty of people, myself included, have done several of the things on that "Solo Artists Thread" but we elect to not brag about it. Just saying

I'm too lazy to copy/paste and put in X's for all the shit I've killed.

So I'm with ya on that.

[Arteker]

Cry and let slip the cocks on my ass.

fixed

[portbitch69]

oh mans dats some joosy chikens mmmmmm

[Detoxx]

Also, if you guys are so pissed that they need to group up to kill something, take any guild that cant solo kill gore / tal off of that mobs rotation. Why would you inhibit them from killing the mobs they can? Just an excuse to get the 2 zerg guilds (BDA and Taken both have bigger rosters than IB and TMO (almost combined)) more loot.

But anyways, who didnt see this coming?

[Argh]

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/b469/dryedmangoezsunny/six/sunny604-05.jpg

[captnamazing]

http://i.imgur.com/RH5KsqY.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ltbUA2U.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/rfo8KvC.jpg

Will it ever be possible for the rotation again?

rotation->meatspin

if bda destroys meatspin, I am fucking OUT

[Blaza]

Good thing you guys are training everyone for Velious content that your guild can't kill--how magnanimous.

Downed Tormax with 45, was easy. Half the bots boxed.

Mobilization is the key in Velious. Them zones be big.

[kurtis]

Downed Tormax with 45, was easy. Half the bots boxed.

Mobilization is the key in Velious. Them zones be big.

You know whats good practice for mobilization prior to Velious?

Class C.

[Blaza]

You know whats good practice for mobilization prior to Velious?

Class C.

Or some friendly competition on mobs.

[kurtis]

Or some friendly competition on mobs.

Refresh my memory on what Class C stands for again?

[Troubled]

Refresh my memory on what Class C stands for again?

Stands for cunts like you.

[Blaza]

Stands for cunts like you.


snap!

[kurtis]

I'm so insulted.

Hopefully through these 42 pages you BDA retards have at least realized how hypocritical you all are. It's been extremely comical for the rest of the server to read, so thanks for that.

At least we know who to blame when everything goes back to FFA and the same two guilds kill everything.

[Troubled]

http://i.imgur.com/ccKiskb.gif

[Ravager]

I'm so insulted.

Hopefully through these 42 pages you BDA retards have at least realized how hypocritical you all are. It's been extremely comical for the rest of the server to read, so thanks for that.

At least we know who to blame when everything goes back to FFA and the same two guilds kill everything.

1 guild. IB will have an influx of neckbeards when Velious launches, most of them the TMO neckbeards that ran the server into the ground for years because they'll want nothing to do with new TMO. Whoever's left in new TMO that didn't burn those bridges will fold into the new IB, cuz that's where the beardiest will be. All of the remaining TMO will go crawling back to Shinko and QQ as IB wakes the sleeper.

[Anichek]

1 guild. IB will have an influx of neckbeards when Velious launches, most of them the TMO neckbeards that ran the server into the ground for years because they'll want nothing to do with new TMO. Whoever's left in new TMO that didn't burn those bridges will fold into the new IB, cuz that's where the beardiest will be. All of the remaining TMO will go crawling back to Shinko and QQ as IB wakes the sleeper.

This one is wise......

[YendorLootmonkey]

At least we know who to blame when everything goes back to FFA and the same two guilds kill everything.

I would blame the guilds content to remain fat, dumb, and happy inviting whoever to come kill shit with them when they can't, taking up to six hours to do so, instead of prepping for Velious. Quit trying to turn it back around on the guilds who are trying to hold these smaller guilds accountable for doing that bullshit. That's even more welfare than Class C flames the rotation for being in general.

They sign up for mobs they cant kill, but loophole around it by waiting 6 hours and letting other guilds help them to kill the mob when it doesn't lock the other guilds out so that the other guilds that help them are allowed to also kill the same mob during their rotation spot. It is clear, blatant abuse of the system.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Refresh my memory on what Class C stands for again?

Certainly not friendly competition. Pretty sure they're not giving anyone 60 minutes to kill the mob uncontested like we would in Class R with this revamp. Stop being purposely obtuse.

Smaller guilds need to stop abusing the system that was put into place by signing up for mobs they can't kill on their own. That is all. They brought this on themselves.

[Cecily]

I disliked Class R because of BDA. I am now Class R's strongest supporter because of BDA. If anything, what I truly learned over this past year is that smaller guilds should not have to be forced to play the game how someone else does. Thank you Chest Rockwell for teaching us all this valuable lesson, while not learning it yourself. It's pretty hilarious.

[Tasslehofp99]

Certainly not friendly competition. Pretty sure they're not giving anyone 60 minutes to kill the mob uncontested like we would in Class R with this revamp. Stop being purposely obtuse.

Smaller guilds need to stop abusing the system that was put into place by signing up for mobs they can't kill on their own. That is all. They brought this on themselves.

Damn, you're starting to sound more like Class C material these days pal!

[Argh]

They sign up for mobs they cant kill, but loophole around it by waiting 6 hours and letting other guilds help them to kill the mob when it doesn't lock the other guilds out so that the other guilds that help them are allowed to also kill the same mob during their rotation spot. It is clear, blatant abuse of the system.

Lol that has literally never happened and it makes no sense. Mobs go FFA within class R at 3 hours.

[Man0warr]

Lol that has literally never happened and it makes no sense. Mobs go FFA within class R at 3 hours.

His hours was wrong, but it has happened.

[Argh]

His hours was wrong, but it has happened.

No your right, three guilds used to exploit a rule allowing them to temporarily be skipped while locked out for a mob and kill the mob once they were no longer locked out.

Taken, Divnity, BDA got 6 out of 7 Traks before removing the rule once the list reached the first outside guild.

Example:

Rule is implemented that allow guilds to be skipped while locked out without being moved to the bottom of the list.

Taken is #1 for Trak
Divinity is #2 for Trak
BDA is #3 for Trak

Taken couldn't kill Trak because they were locked out.
Divinity kills Trak.
Rotation order remained unchanged.
Taken kills Trak.
Divinity is now #1 for Trak.
Divinity can't kill Trak because they are locked out.
BDA kills Trak.
Rotation order remains unchanged.
Divinity kills Trak.
BDA is now #1 for Trak.
BDA can't kill Trak because they are locked out.
Guild4 kills Trak
Rotation remains unchanged.
BDA kills Trak.

Rule is changed because Taken/Div/BDA are unhappy that the rotation moves too slowly.

Guild4 cannot kill Trak because they are locked out.
Guild4 is moved to the bottom of the rotation.

[Blaza]

I disliked Class R because of BDA. I am now Class R's strongest supporter because of BDA. If anything, what I truly learned over this past year is that smaller guilds should not have to be forced to play the game how someone else does. Thank you Chest Rockwell for teaching us all this valuable lesson, while not learning it yourself. It's pretty hilarious.

What i find funniest is that many class C posters have been 'end the rotation, its bullshit' for months.

And now that it is in danger of ending, they want to keep it as BDA is doing the ending.

Where are the old bounties for any guild that ended the rotation?

[Cecily]

No the rotation was bullshit, because you have Class C capable guilds such as Taken and BDA in Class R hiding among fledgling guilds who genuinely need the restricted class protection. The rotation did plenty of good. It's a shame it's getting thrown away because it no longer suits the larger guilds.

[Swish]

No the rotation was bullshit, because you have Class C capable guilds such as Taken and BDA in Class R hiding among fledgling guilds who genuinely need the restricted class protection. The rotation did plenty of good. It's a shame it's getting thrown away because it no longer suits the larger guilds.

I like the irony of it, they're encouraging the smaller guilds to be "ready for Velious" by pushing to alter the rotation so they can cap more pixels in the B Tier.

If the rotation folds, what's to stop "Class C" hitting the old "R" targets?

[Blaza]

No the rotation was bullshit, because you have Class C capable guilds such as Taken and BDA in Class R hiding among fledgling guilds who genuinely need the restricted class protection. The rotation did plenty of good. It's a shame it's getting thrown away because it no longer suits the larger guilds.

You seem to be advocating a rotation within R, albeit one without larger guilds. Yet, BDA/Taken/Divinity could have said fuck your rotation and taken majority of spawns for themselves. The rotation enabled some guilds to stay together and experience content they never would have seen otherwise

The whole class system is stupid, and its disintegration will be a rude awakening for some of these smaller guilds, who will find that their leisurely mobilization makes for zero raid kills, and whose better players will up and leave for other guilds.

That being said, the only reason to go to C as the system is currently set up is for VP. And our lack of VP keyed, active characters makes that an unattractive option (albeit one I personally disagree with).

[Blaza]

I like the irony of it, they're encouraging the smaller guilds to be "ready for Velious" by pushing to alter the rotation so they can cap more pixels in the B Tier.

If the rotation folds, what's to stop "Class C" hitting the old "R" targets?

They would still be designated class R.

[Fanguru]

Actually they would eat raid suspensions, the class C/R/FFA system is GM-enforced.

[Cecily]

Swish is from red and doesn't understand our civilized... ways. Swish, consider guilds like BDA and Taken as level 60 characters who can't be PKed by other 60s. That's the class system for you.

[Man0warr]

No your right, three guilds used to exploit a rule allowing them to temporarily be skipped while locked out for a mob and kill the mob once they were no longer locked out.

Taken, Divnity, BDA got 6 out of 7 Traks before removing the rule once the list reached the first outside guild.

Example:

Rule is implemented that allow guilds to be skipped while locked out without being moved to the bottom of the list.

Taken is #1 for Trak
Divinity is #2 for Trak
BDA is #3 for Trak

Taken couldn't kill Trak because they were locked out.
Divinity kills Trak.
Rotation order remained unchanged.
Taken kills Trak.
Divinity is now #1 for Trak.
Divinity can't kill Trak because they are locked out.
BDA kills Trak.
Rotation order remains unchanged.
Divinity kills Trak.
BDA is now #1 for Trak.
BDA can't kill Trak because they are locked out.
Guild4 kills Trak
Rotation remains unchanged.
BDA kills Trak.

Rule is changed because Taken/Div/BDA are unhappy that the rotation moves too slowly.

Guild4 cannot kill Trak because they are locked out.
Guild4 is moved to the bottom of the rotation.

Unrelated to this discussion.

I'm talking about smaller guilds deliberately waiting for their 3 hour window to be up, then petitioning for help from other small guilds to kill it and since it's now in R FFA the other smaller guilds helping don't get counted as allies.

[Troubled]

No your right, three guilds used to exploit a rule allowing them to temporarily be skipped while locked out for a mob and kill the mob once they were no longer locked out.

Taken, Divnity, BDA got 6 out of 7 Traks before removing the rule once the list reached the first outside guild.

Example:

Rule is implemented that allow guilds to be skipped while locked out without being moved to the bottom of the list.

Taken is #1 for Trak
Divinity is #2 for Trak
BDA is #3 for Trak

Taken couldn't kill Trak because they were locked out.
Divinity kills Trak.
Rotation order remained unchanged.
Taken kills Trak.
Divinity is now #1 for Trak.
Divinity can't kill Trak because they are locked out.
BDA kills Trak.
Rotation order remains unchanged.
Divinity kills Trak.
BDA is now #1 for Trak.
BDA can't kill Trak because they are locked out.
Guild4 kills Trak
Rotation remains unchanged.
BDA kills Trak.

Rule is changed because Taken/Div/BDA are unhappy that the rotation moves too slowly.

Guild4 cannot kill Trak because they are locked out.
Guild4 is moved to the bottom of the rotation.

Wasn't that a rule cooked up by you and your ilk to soften the rotation further, but got removed once you saw it benefited the wrong guilds?

[Erati]

No your right, three guilds used to exploit a rule allowing them to temporarily be skipped while locked out for a mob and kill the mob once they were no longer locked out.

Taken, Divnity, BDA got 6 out of 7 Traks before removing the rule once the list reached the first outside guild.

Example:

Rule is implemented that allow guilds to be skipped while locked out without being moved to the bottom of the list.

Taken is #1 for Trak
Divinity is #2 for Trak
BDA is #3 for Trak

Taken couldn't kill Trak because they were locked out.
Divinity kills Trak.
Rotation order remained unchanged.
Taken kills Trak.
Divinity is now #1 for Trak.
Divinity can't kill Trak because they are locked out.
BDA kills Trak.
Rotation order remains unchanged.
Divinity kills Trak.
BDA is now #1 for Trak.
BDA can't kill Trak because they are locked out.
Guild4 kills Trak
Rotation remains unchanged.
BDA kills Trak.

Rule is changed because Taken/Div/BDA are unhappy that the rotation moves too slowly.

Guild4 cannot kill Trak because they are locked out.
Guild4 is moved to the bottom of the rotation.

I will make one post here bc Argh is lieing so badly here its absurd.

First off this is the 'mulligan' rule at play.

A rule the small guilds cooked up and ASKED for when the rotation alliance decided on a rule that if you missed your spawn- you rotate to the bottom of the list.

Shocking I know.

Well after a 4-5 month wait, the small guilds were worried they would not down the epic mobs they so badly wanted so they came up with a rule that the 6 epic mobs guilds could 'mulligan' which meant if they failed the first time for whatever reason

didnt kill it, Class C gobbled it up after 6 hrs, Taken sniped it etc

They would be still #1 for the list and have another shot at their epic mob the following R cycle. If they failed that time, then they rotate.

When the rule was created, BDA amended it stating that mulligans can be used however you want as well, IE a big guild that doesnt need two times to kill an epic mob can use a mulligan to 'clear' a lock out like Argh described.

Every guild in the meeting was fine with this.

Until a big guild did it.....then there was outcry of unfairness.

Taken did it one time on Trak. You know why we killed Trak twice?

BC Europa who was up for Trak could not down him bc of the time and Taken came and killed it around 6 am.

Then we got to the top of the Trak list and killed the R Trak we had been waiting for.

Such savages.

[Erati]

btw Europa asked us to help with Trak we didnt set up for a snipe at 6 am lols

[Argh]

Wasn't that a rule cooked up by you and your ilk to soften the rotation further, but got removed once you saw it benefited the wrong guilds?

No I was against it ever being implemented, and proposed getting rid of it before it was ever used, the only people who fought getting rid of it were Taken/Div/BDA.

Long incoherent drivel...

The rule was only ever used three times; once by taken, once by bda, and once by divinity. All to get 6 out of 7 consecutive Traks.

[Troubled]

No I was against it ever being implemented, and proposed getting rid of it before it was ever used, the only people who fought getting rid of it were Taken/Div/BDA.



The rule was only ever used three times; once by taken, once by bda, and once by divinity. All to get 6 out of 7 consecutive Traks.

First mention I see of it is from an A-Team officer.

I also see you saying you are not upset with mulligan use.

Are you in TMO yet?

[Argh]

Are you in TMO yet?

Yeah man, I'm almost done my app.

I rebuffed TMO wanting to merge with A-Team for 5 months so that I could leave the guild only to join TMO.

[Troubled]

Yeah man, I'm almost done my app.

I rebuffed TMO wanting to merge with A-Team for 5 months so that I could leave the guild only to join TMO.

Right on. Well, you're sure putting the slant on the truth like them. One would only assume you end up with the rest of them.

[Argh]

Right on. Well, you're sure putting the slant on the truth like them. One would only assume you end up with the rest of them.

Since you weren't a part of the process I'd have to conclude that you just can't read.

[Troubled]

Yea, it's not like I've been involved in it all since the beginning.

[Argh]

Yea, it's not like I've been involved in it all since the beginning.

Have you ever done anything except give people access to the forums once cucumbers left?

[Troubled]

http://i.imgur.com/ICkfOcx.gif

I've been a part of most of it, sadly.

[Troubled]

I don't expect A-Team leader 34 to notice, though.

[Argh]

I don't expect A-Team leader 34 to notice, though.

http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Mfw+the+gif+loops+perfectly_0d0ef5_4635691.gif

[khanable]

Have you ever done anything except give people access to the forums once cucumbers left?

THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT JOB AND IT SHOULD BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY

http://wfsb.images.worldnow.com/images/5107815_G.jpg

[Troubled]

http://i.imgur.com/2mnStsV.gif

[Tiggles]

Have you ever done anything except give people access to the forums once cucumbers left?

I don't expect A-Team leader 34 to notice, though.

Look at them argue like they think they matter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9Z33IWrKSI

[Gimp]

Trolling aside, so is the rotation still in tact? Us class C neck beards are completely outta the loop.

[Troubled]

Look at them argue like they think they matter.



http://i.imgur.com/fOUvRFh.gif

[YendorLootmonkey]

Damn, you're starting to sound more like Class C material these days pal!

I don't flip allegiances to follow pixels, Tass.

[Archalen]

Wow, I didnt see it coming guys. Seriously. BDA and Taken stand for something! They would never do this, there must be some sort of mix up. Oh wait, they are the same as the "neckbeards" they claim to hate.

No big deal though, theyre the good guys!

You sound like someone who needs to take a step back from EverQuest for a few days.

[Detoxx]

I don't flip allegiances to follow pixels, Tass.

No, instead you blindly follow what your narcissistic, two face, "all about the sharing" leader says as he pulls a 180 on the entire rotation in the name of pixels. You expect these smaller guilds to earn their keep and step up their game to get their pixels. Isn't that what TMO told you to do a little over a year ago and you guys all refused? "We dont wanna batphone, we don't wanna track, we don't wanna get up at 4am to kill a dragon!" they said. Seems like you all do it now, and on top of it, your trying to pull strings on mobs you haven't even earned.

The hypocrisy is astounding.

[Troubled]

No, instead you blindly follow what your narcissistic, two face, "all about the sharing" leader says as he pulls a 180 on the entire rotation in the name of pixels. You expect these smaller guilds to earn their keep and step up their game to get their pixels. Isn't that what TMO told you to do a little over a year ago and you guys all refused? "We dont wanna batphone, we don't wanna track, we don't wanna get up at 4am to kill a dragon!" they said. Seems like you all do it now, and on top of it, your trying to pull strings on mobs you haven't even earned.

The hypocrisy is astounding.
No, it's what Chest and guilds like Taken have said from the get-go. They just wanted reasonable competition and as always people like you blow it out of proportion and interpret that into "free pixel frenzy" and now you're further molding this bloated false idea that you have created of him into him being a hypocrit for something he never stood for in the first place.

[TMO so immersed]

Arghs family was killed by a group of BDA/Taken/Divinity and he's been on a mission to forum quest them since he rage quit being guild leader of A-Team.

Detoxx still hasn't been past 3rd base with a chick.

[Detoxx]

Arghs family was killed by a group of BDA/Taken/Divinity and he's been on a mission to forum quest them since he rage quit being guild leader of A-Team.

Detoxx still hasn't been past 3rd base with a chick.

IB troll still afraid to make his opinion known. Arent you guys due to RMT off the server yet?

[TMO so immersed]

IB troll still afraid to make his opinion known. Arent you guys due to RMT off the server yet?

All that hard work you did this week staring at your monitor for 16 hour durations netted you guys what? 2 mobs? Sounds like TMO should just join the rotation before more members leave for IB.

[Cecily]

Funny thing is I think we got better loot on Hosh than you got from everything else.

[kurtis]

Funny thing is I think we got better loot on Hosh than you got from everything else.

You thought wrong.

[Cecily]

Ehhh.

[ChicomLover]

Best rnf thread in a good while; lots of true colors being shown up in here.

[zanderklocke]

Arghs family was killed by a group of BDA/Taken/Divinity and he's been on a mission to forum quest them since he rage quit being guild leader of A-Team.

Just to clarify, Argh was never leader. More or less Save/Loraen -> Loraen -> Qelen -> Loraen again now.

[sanforce]

No, instead you blindly follow what your narcissistic, two face, "all about the sharing" leader says as he pulls a 180 on the entire rotation in the name of pixels. You expect these smaller guilds to earn their keep and step up their game to get their pixels. Isn't that what TMO told you to do a little over a year ago and you guys all refused? "We dont wanna batphone, we don't wanna track, we don't wanna get up at 4am to kill a dragon!" they said. Seems like you all do it now, and on top of it, your trying to pull strings on mobs you haven't even earned.

The hypocrisy is astounding.

This man speaks the truth. BDA is showing its true pixels starving colors this time, but they still aren't quite ready to compete yet. The multi-class system was setup so class R would advance to class C. For some reason, the guilds that are completely capable of moving to class C are still holding back. The system is broken, tear the rotation to the ground.

[captnamazing]

A-Team should be licking our fucking feet. this is the PERFECT chance for them to show how good they are at this game. And let's see how long it takes for 100% of Asgard to be absorbed by TMO, now that their leeching rotation spot is DENIED.

[Argh]

Just to clarify, Argh was never leader. More or less Save/Loraen -> Loraen -> Qelen -> Loraen again now.

I get no respect.

http://www.survivinggrady.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/RodneyDangerfield-_orig.jpg

[kurtis]

A-Team should be licking our fucking feet. this is the PERFECT chance for them to show how good they are at this game. And let's see how long it takes for 100% of Asgard to be absorbed by TMO, now that their leeching rotation spot is DENIED.

To be fair, every spot in that rotation is a "leech spot".

The rotation was designed to give guilds a gear/epic stepping stone to Class C, yet the two very capable guilds of making this jump refuse to give up their welfare pixels because they're scarred of the "competition" in C that they so desperately want to implement in R. The whole thing is quite fucking comical to be honest.

[TMO so immersed]

I'm forming an all Ranger guild to sign up for every Class R mob. No time commitment required TMO/IB alt Rangers welcome. We will call upon any guild to assist us that will not be affected by lock out. PST

[Detoxx]

All that hard work you did this week staring at your monitor for 16 hour durations netted you guys what? 2 mobs? Sounds like TMO should just join the rotation before more members leave for IB.

Yea and grats on IBs first PD of the year this week. Solid work

[falendar]

the only comical part is that Taken, BDA, and Divinity could have very well rotated class R as per server rules and the vision Rogaen had for Class R.

We didn't, cuz we care about the little guy, and still do, which is why we are trying to save the rotation rather than tear it down.

If we had taken every 3rd mob for the last year, we might have been in a situation where we had enough vp keys to compete in class C. But we didn't, and we don't.

The only thing we want is for each guild on rotation to be able to kill the mobs they sign up for in a timely manner without help. If you cant accomplish killing a mob, why are you on rotation for it? That is the fundamental shit we want. If you want to team up, you can, but just call your alliance one raid entity on the rotation instead of double or even triple dipping into the rotation.

so in caring for the little guy, you shorten the kill timer, make it so it is very hard to break into a tier and make it very easy to get dropped from a tier? Yea you guys really care about the little guy.

[kaev]

so in caring for the little guy, you shorten the kill timer, make it so it is very hard to break into a tier and make it very easy to get dropped from a tier? Yea you guys really care about the little guy.

Spin harder dude, spin harder. That lame-assssed crap just isn't doing it for me.

The entertainment value here declined precipitously when the threads were merged. RnF has always been a wasteland of incompetent shitposting, but there used to be at least some mild amusement here and there. Lately it's been just a waste of time. You bums really need to step up your game, winter is coming and we seriously need to see some quality flames instead of this laminated "no u" bullshit.

Let me provide you with a textbook example (i.e. gimped, eviscerated, & neutered for safe consumption by underaged flaminators):

My sources inside A-Team assure me that former master troll Raev is currently in training, literally inhaling every ounce of excess poundage Mr. Incredible dumped when he had to slim down to take on Syndrome. Soon he'll have the critical mass to blow up all the classes! Blowing up the rotation is just a warm-up, the guild currently known as <A-Team> has its sights set on nothing less than the destruction of the entire class system, with permananet bans for Sirken and Derubael to be followed by total domination of the p99 raid scene by our new lords and masters, the soon to be renamed <KissOurShineyHeinies-Team>.

[Aviann]

My sources inside A-Team assure me that former master troll Raev is currently in training, literally inhaling every ounce of excess poundage Mr. Incredible dumped when he had to slim down to take on Syndrome. Soon he'll have the critical mass to blow up all the classes! Blowing up the rotation is just a warm-up, the guild currently known as <A-Team> has its sights set on nothing less than the destruction of the entire class system, with permananet bans for Sirken and Derubael to be followed by total domination of the p99 raid scene by our new lords and masters, the soon to be renamed <KissOurShineyHeinies-Team>.

pras lol

[Fael]

Time to go back to the good old days of 90 hour windows.

Get rid of the pixel shower and let superior skill and talent win the day.

Dolic

[Aviann]

Time to go back to the good old days of 90 hour windows.

Get rid of the pixel shower and let superior skill and talent win the day.

Dolic

Let's do it! It almost sounds romantic at this point.

[ArumTP]

The only thing we want is for each guild on rotation to be able to kill the mobs they sign up for in a timely manner without help. If you cant accomplish killing a mob, why are you on rotation for it? That is the fundamental shit we want. If you want to team up, you can, but just call your alliance one raid entity on the rotation instead of double or even triple dipping into the rotation.

All guilds on the rotation can kill those mobs. Not all guilds on that list consist of 10% of the server at any given time. Un-Classic variance makes it necessary to double team to get the kill, for those guilds you want to push out.

[falendar]

Spin harder dude, spin harder. That lame-assssed crap just isn't doing it for me.

The entertainment value here declined precipitously when the threads were merged. RnF has always been a wasteland of incompetent shitposting, but there used to be at least some mild amusement here and there. Lately it's been just a waste of time. You bums really need to step up your game, winter is coming and we seriously need to see some quality flames instead of this laminated "no u" bullshit.

Let me provide you with a textbook example (i.e. gimped, eviscerated, & neutered for safe consumption by underaged flaminators):

My sources inside A-Team assure me that former master troll Raev is currently in training, literally inhaling every ounce of excess poundage Mr. Incredible dumped when he had to slim down to take on Syndrome. Soon he'll have the critical mass to blow up all the classes! Blowing up the rotation is just a warm-up, the guild currently known as <A-Team> has its sights set on nothing less than the destruction of the entire class system, with permananet bans for Sirken and Derubael to be followed by total domination of the p99 raid scene by our new lords and masters, the soon to be renamed <KissOurShineyHeinies-Team>.

I'm sorry, all I read here was. I have nothing to rebut so I am going to try and derail this because i'm an asshat.

[Prismaticshop]

All that hard work you did this week staring at your monitor for 16 hour durations netted you guys what? 2 mobs? Sounds like TMO should just join the rotation before more members leave for IB.

"Inglourious Basterds - I raided with IB since early last year. I left for a number of reasons but mostly due to the path the guild is deciding to take going into 2015. I have no ill will to any member of IB, but Lilyanna is the main reason, she is batshit crazy and is deliberately turning down great applicants, and despite many complaints by majority of the guild, her say is final. On top of that, about 10 of the top people in IB decided to ghost simultaneously on January 1st with no warning and still expect us to pull our weight despite them giving zero warning of their AFK.".

Signed : you ex iB top attendance Cleric, now TMO app ;)

[zanderklocke]

I get no respect.

http://www.survivinggrady.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/RodneyDangerfield-_orig.jpg

You weren't leader in title, but you sure as hell did a ton.

[Ravager]

A-Team should be licking our fucking feet. this is the PERFECT chance for them to show how good they are at this game. And let's see how long it takes for 100% of Asgard to be absorbed by TMO, now that their leeching rotation spot is DENIED.

I can't believe you'd sanction an Asgard merger with TMO without some sort of roleplay logic behind it.

[Ravager]

Just make it so that can guild that gets 15 Trakanon kills is meow class C and if they dont like it they know how to go back to R.

That'll take a year and a half in class R. Also, syntax error.

[ArumTP]

A-Team should be licking our fucking feet. this is the PERFECT chance for them to show how good they are at this game. And let's see how long it takes for 100% of Asgard to be absorbed by TMO, now that their leeching rotation spot is DENIED.

Your vile hatred of TMO is so hilarious. To believe TMO would bother to take the time to make an alt guild to mess with you in R. Then to absorb into TMO now that this rotation has fallen apart.

[Ravager]

Your vile hatred of TMO is so hilarious. To believe TMO would bother to take the time to make an alt guild to mess with you in R. Then to absorb into TMO now that this rotation has fallen apart.

You have no fucking idea how deep the rabbit hole goes. Do yourself the favor and take the blue pill.

[bktroost]

No I was against [mulligans] ever being implemented, and proposed getting rid of it before it was ever used, the only people who fought getting rid of it were Taken/Div/BDA.



The rule was only ever used three times; once by taken, once by bda, and once by divinity. All to get 6 out of 7 consecutive Traks.

Argh was against it. I implemented it so that when you complained about Alliances we could retort that we will give up mulligans which we knew would ultimately not effect us adversely. Which did and did not work as intended since it was a fairly obvious maneuver, however, during the war of attrition (6-8 hour vent meeting(depending on if you were part of the afterparty)) it was a consolidating point that was made and we agreed that it only minorly effected us--which is then when we pushed for dark times.

[bktroost]

You weren't leader in title, but you sure as hell did a ton.

wait, wait, wait, Argh wasn't leader of A-Team? He was like...my good cop, bad cop partner in the negotiations...Yeah, Argh did way more than any of my officers in the FAP! Man deserved a promotion.

[Tasslehofp99]

This man speaks the truth. BDA is showing its true pixels starving colors this time, but they still aren't quite ready to compete yet. The multi-class system was setup so class R would advance to class C. For some reason, the guilds that are completely capable of moving to class C are still holding back. The system is broken, tear the rotation to the ground.

The system has been broken for the last 6 months that Taken/BDA avoided moving into class C where they belong. Not sure about Divinity, though.. they don't seem to have the immense rosters of Taken/BDA. They're just trying to horde easier class R pixels because they know they're in such a great position to do so, now.


the only comical part is that Taken, BDA, and Divinity could have very well rotated class R as per server rules and the vision Rogaen had for Class R.

We didn't, cuz we care about the little guy, and still do, which is why we are trying to save the rotation rather than tear it down.

If we had taken every 3rd mob for the last year, we might have been in a situation where we had enough vp keys to compete in class C. But we didn't, and we don't.

The only thing we want is for each guild on rotation to be able to kill the mobs they sign up for in a timely manner without help. If you cant accomplish killing a mob, why are you on rotation for it? That is the fundamental shit we want. If you want to team up, you can, but just call your alliance one raid entity on the rotation instead of double or even triple dipping into the rotation.


Bolded lines are straight up lies, and you know it. Also, you guys can just move to class C now. It's not even close to being fair for BDA/Taken to be competing against the other smaller guilds. Those smaller guilds, by the way, the rotation was initially made to help out. The rotation wasn't made for BDA (the largest guild on p99, by far) and Taken to take advantage of for a year, and then turn around and have taken/BDA dismantle it by strong-arming smaller guilds. Everyone sees through you're bullshit and lies :)

You can't tell me that BDA has less trak teeth than FE did when they were going against TMO. That would be such a lie.

A-Team should be licking our fucking feet. this is the PERFECT chance for them to show how good they are at this game. And let's see how long it takes for 100% of Asgard to be absorbed by TMO, now that their leeching rotation spot is DENIED.

lol I think if TMO absorbed most of asgard, there would be a 3rd class C guild formed within a week. Reason being because there already isn't enough loot to spread out between the people in TMO or IB as it is.

PS it looks really bad for any BDA members to be talking down to any other guild. You guys have the biggest roster on the server and its not even close, yet you still sit here trying to play king of the rotation and keeping other guilds down.

[Argh]

You weren't leader in title, but you sure as hell did a ton.

I must have imagined getting the leader tag, and then having to pass it to nobody because Loraen refused to take it from me when I left.

[pasi]

I've always been in favor of getting rid of the rotation and doubling variance. Just make the raid scene so miserable that there would only be a handful of dudes willing to throw their life away for marginally better pixels. You would still have TMO and IB, but most of BDA or whoever could return to their jobs at McDonalds resulting in quicker fast food service for me.

Just a thought.

[Argh]

I've always been in favor of getting rid of the rotation and doubling variance. Just make the raid scene so miserable that there would only be a handful of dudes willing to throw their life away for marginally better pixels. You would still have TMO and IB, but most of BDA or whoever could return to their jobs at McDonalds resulting in quicker fast food service for me.

Just a thought.

It would result in poorer quality service at McDonalds, as everyone would be sneaking away to setup their PC in the bathroom to respond to batphones or forum questing on their phones in the whateverthefuck assembly line bullshit they have there.

[pasi]

I'll admit that I did not think my idea entirely through.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I was going to say that I am still hoping for Velious without raid mobs but that would imply that I expect Velious to ever release on that server. :p

[wycca]

I'll admit that I did not think my idea entirely through.

http://i.imgur.com/a6GeOIH.jpg

[Kushie]

Some french fries sound pretty good

http://media.giphy.com/media/hSqhdz53Nn4WI/giphy.gif

[Phatso]

"Inglourious Basterds - I raided with IB since early last year. I left for a number of reasons but mostly due to the path the guild is deciding to take going into 2015. I have no ill will to any member of IB, but Lilyanna is the main reason, she is batshit crazy and is deliberately turning down great applicants, and despite many complaints by majority of the guild, her say is final. On top of that, about 10 of the top people in IB decided to ghost simultaneously on January 1st with no warning and still expect us to pull our weight despite them giving zero warning of their AFK.".

Signed : you ex iB top attendance Cleric, now TMO app


-- this fucking idiot. is like 70% right. BUT, fuck you, on Lillyana. honestly, fuck you and your family if Lilyannna said you are shit. Its not her job just to deal with all the faggotryneckbeardshittypeople that she caters to. but she takes it a lot of bull shit, and i hope she has some fun with it. She is under appreciated and she plays this game with a childish love that a lot of people dont appreciate, if she comes into your group you feel the commodity, truely one of the bright spots on p99

[Susvain2]

lol anon IB account is mad

[Servellious]

This is a shinning example of what BDA really is, exactly what they accused every other person and guild of being.

[Absolution]

Dannyl must have IQ under 60 to believe that TME is better than IB... I am ready to bet 10K PP he already regret this move LOL

[Fael]

I can get behind the BDA and Takens proposal. However I would suggest that if a class R mob is not killed within the 60-90 minutes alotted; then it should turn FFA.

That is the only fair thing to do, that is if its not just all about maximizing pixels for BDA and Taken.

Dolic

[kurtis]

Dannyl must have IQ under 60 to believe that TME is better than IB... I am ready to bet 10K PP he already regret this move LOL

Last time I saw him, he was unguilded. Guess the guild hopping didn't go as well as he planned since it looks like TMO killed like 1 mob last week while IB killed like 12. You know you're a hardcore pixel chaser when you've been unguilded, in IB, and in TMO all in the matter of a week.

[Absolution]

Last time I saw him, he was unguilded. Guess the guild hopping didn't go as well as he planned since it looks like TMO killed like 1 mob last week while IB killed like 12. You know you're a hardcore pixel chaser when you've been unguilded, in IB, and in TMO all in the matter of a week.

Oh really ? He maybe recovered his sanity LOL!

I guess he has 2 choices now, joining Taken/BDA or buying a new virginity in red server.

[Prismaticshop]

Last time I saw him, he was unguilded. Guess the guild hopping didn't go as well as he planned since it looks like TMO killed like 1 mob last week while IB killed like 12. You know you're a hardcore pixel chaser when you've been unguilded, in IB, and in TMO all in the matter of a week.

Still a top attendance player that left due to the current atmosphere in IB.

Is it related to the fact that Getsome ghostes and Hoku is leader now ? Will you guys split in 2 guilds ?

[Absolution]

Still a top attendance player that left due to the current atmosphere in IB.

Is it related to the fact that Getsome ghostes and Hoku is leader now ? Will you guys split in 2 guilds ?

The good question in my opinion should be : Why Dannyl left TME so fast ?

Cause your guild is a mix of worse players & legendary known douche bags ?
Cause your zerg guild cannot event compete IB with half less players ?

So many various answers could probably explain why he left so fast your trash guild.

How sad that you tried hard to recruit him for only few days in ROFL.

[Anichek]

I can get behind the BDA and Takens proposal. However I would suggest that if a class R mob is not killed within the 60-90 minutes alotted; then it should turn FFA.

That is the only fair thing to do, that is if its not just all about maximizing pixels for BDA and Taken.

Dolic

That's what we have in the most current proposals - it turns Class R FFA (similar to our 3 hour rule now)...