Recent Events

[heazels]

If you are afflicted with the need to believe something I have very little interest in convincing you of something. Belief often times isn't subject to rational examination of evidence and is more a personal choice.

So if you want to talk about what you believe, I don't give a shit. If you want to talk about truth and facts.... let me know.


Fact: 86 accounts of TMO banned

Fact: 2 members exploted to gain platinum and are now banned

Fact: platlord.com is now empty and devoid of items

Fact: nobody knows how many of the 87 accounts were bought with duped platinum or were pleveld with duped platinum

Fact: the exploit started 1 year ago

Facts look pretty clear to me

[Lisset]

One way to end some of this acrimony going forward is to make sharing accounts a bannable offense. You share, you lose. If you can't raid using nothing but your own hard work, you don't deserve to raid. If you have to have shared trackers and porters, you just suck anyway.

[Furniture]

hah well i didnt realize you were alarti but i deduced your tinfoil hat bitchery from your post where you say that this is just so rogean can have his IB friends back or whatever

[arsenalpow]

Do you want me to post the pastebin of the SEQ accounts? I think they are actually still on the p99 forums. I remember Najdorf being one of the suspended people.

Yes Alarti, if you are going to make a claim I'm going to ask you to back up said claim with data. That's how these things work. Additionally, let's not breeze past the fact that Amelinda and Tiggles were e-humping at the time the SEQ sweep came down which would have given TMO warning that the hammer was coming down. Whether she sounded the alarm or not it stands to reason that the improper relationship could have possibly benefited your guild.

[Pheer]

Yes, I understand completely. That's a totally respectable position to have. I know account sharing does happen in other guilds and my only point was that I'll bet tons of people would be on that other guild's side if the same thing happened to them because of account sharing.... just because they 'aren't TMO'. My only point is that I'll bet many people's opinions would change if 'TMO' was almost any other guild name with most other factors in the reasoning for all of the account suspensions being the same.

And you guys are too busy whining about how unfair that is to see WHY thats happening. You guys seriously think your terrible reputation is just a result of people being "jelly of your pixels" or some shit. If you want to see an example of why people think you're all scum just go take a look at Eccezan's post history over the past day or two. "I dont approve of what my guildmates do!" is not a valid defense, staying quiet and allowing your guildmates and officers to make you all look like a bunch of shitstains makes you just as responsible for your negative image.

What happened to when TMO was trying to act like some kind of white knights protecting the server? All that shit about how you'd "never let the sleeper be woken" so those dirty casuals you despise so much would be able to get primals some day (on a date and time of your choosing of course since you feel like you should get to decide who does or doesn't get to kill raid content.)

Did you guys forget which mask you were trying to put on or does the leadership really have so little control over their members that they couldn't rein in the constant shit talk against even guilds like BDA for daring to try to kill classic content that you zerg with your geared up 52 alts? God forbid a guild dare to take a fucking Vox kill off of you 4 years after server release.

[Tasslehofp99]

I can't even stop refreshing, I don't want to miss a second of this meltdown.

[Splorf22]

If this server goes full mob rotation, there will be a steep decline in the population of hardcores that play as well as any competition involved in getting mobs.

OH GOD THE HORROR

[arsenalpow]

I appreciate everyone piling on TMO but all this "change for the benefit of the server" rhetoric is the same speech I've been giving since BDA gave me a platform. We as a server could have done this sooner, but if the impetus for change is this ban then let's actually do something. We have two weeks to prove that this place doesn't have to be a shit show.

[kbnexus]

hah well i didnt realize you were alarti but i deduced your tinfoil hat bitchery from your post where you say that this is just so rogean can have his IB friends back or whatever

How long have you been on this server?

[Mezzmur]

One way to end some of this acrimony going forward is to make sharing accounts a bannable offense. You share, you lose. If you can't raid using nothing but your own hard work, you don't deserve to raid. If you have to have shared trackers and porters, you just suck anyway.

Yeah, this sucks. I went on hiatus and let one toon be used for VP raids; it's now banned because one of the exploiting individuals played on this account for a VP raid (unbeknownst to me). So 3rd party sharing of info ftw. Doing house cleaning today, changing PWs and all that jazz. It's really shitty that a few can ruin it for so many.

[Messianic]

How Zeelot should have handled it:


"Hey guys,

Just wanted to let you know we're really disappointed at this whole situation. From what we can tell, all of the offenses here center around a few individuals in particular who have been banned/removed following evidence from staff showing their misdeeds.

Account sharing is very common at the top end of the game because of the many benefits it provides, and most guilds do this to some degree. Unfortunately, there's also a shared risk since we see it's difficult and time intensive for staff to decipher which accounts to punish in the case of events like these.

So, we're providing any help we can to staff to help untangle legitimate accounts from those controlled solely by the offenders since we don't want the remaining vast majority members (who do not cheat, rmt, etc as we absolutely have zero tolerance for it) to suffer for the actions of a few.

Whatever you may think about altercations we've had with you in competition for raid mobs, etc, this is a different situation. This involves outright cheating (on an emulated, 12+ year old game no less) that screws up the economy and game rather than mere unsportsmanlike conduct. Again, we have zero tolerance for childish BS like that.

As for the raid scene, we're open to any suggestions or discussions on how to make the classic experience enjoyable for all (since a robust population of all types of players benefits everyone, including us) and look forward to that going forward."



He'd still take a lot of heat, haters would still take their shots. But they wouldn't stick nearly as well. When you act whiny and self-righteous and reject all blame, the haters are given the best ammo against you. Accounts of players in your guild comprised a vast majority of the cheating accounts - sorry, that's reason to single out any guild, even if it's the first time it's ever happened in such a public way. So don't start rule lawyering, deflecting, and pointing fingers when the wrong here was committed by your members. You're playing a game with other people, not campaigning for public office.

[Tasslehofp99]

When you lie down with dogs, you wake up with fleas ya'll

[kbnexus]

Yes Alarti, if you are going to make a claim I'm going to ask you to back up said claim with data. That's how these things work. Additionally, let's not breeze past the fact that Amelinda and Tiggles were e-humping at the time the SEQ sweep came down which would have given TMO warning that the hammer was coming down. Whether she sounded the alarm or not it stands to reason that the improper relationship could have possibly benefited your guild.

http://pastebin.com/Jbrzfybb

Here you are :)

[Ungriim]

I wonder how many accounts they logged on were bought with that duped plat and therefore perpetuated TMOs raid presence?

[skipdog]

And you guys are too busy whining about how unfair that is to see WHY thats happening. You guys seriously think your terrible reputation is just a result of people being "jelly of your pixels" or some shit. If you want to see an example of why people think you're all scum just go take a look at Eccezan's post history over the past day or two. "I dont approve of what my guildmates do!" is not a valid defense, staying quiet and allowing your guildmates and officers to make you all look like a bunch of shitstains makes you just as responsible for your negative image.

What happened to when TMO was trying to act like some kind of white knights protecting the server? All that shit about how you'd "never let the sleeper be woken" so those dirty casuals you despise so much would be able to get primals some day (on a date and time of your choosing of course since you feel like you should get to decide who does or doesn't get to kill raid content.)

Did you guys forget which mask you were trying to put on or does the leadership really have so little control over their members that they couldn't rein in the constant shit talk against even guilds like BDA for daring to try to kill classic content that you zerg with your geared up 52 alts? God forbid a guild dare to take a fucking Vox kill off of you 4 years after server release.

First of all.. I'm not in TMO. Although I've learned that any opinion I post here that isn't 'TMO IS THE FACE OF EVIL' is greatly frowned upon and gets many hostile responses. I was simply voicing the very basic opinion that 'if another guild got this kind of mass-suspension because of 2 exploiters and account sharing(which is common in many guilds), there would probably a lot of people on that guild's side who believe the suspension was unjust.'

That's all. I'm not defending TMO or even making my own judgement of them or Rogaen's decision. It's quite clear that the already abundant hate for TMO present here is adding fuel to the fire and is responsible for a lot of people's mental justification for Rogean's actions. I do firmly believe that if it was another guild who had 2 exploiters and shared accounts somewhat freely(which again, many respectable guilds do), many people's opinions on Rogaen's decisions would be different.

[Dirkus]

First of all.. I'm not in TMO. Although I've learned that any opinion I post here that isn't 'TMO IS THE FACE OF EVIL' is greatly frowned upon and gets many hostile responses. I was simply voicing the very basic opinion that 'if another guild got this kind of mass-suspension because of 2 exploiters and account sharing(which is common in many guilds), there would probably a lot of people on that guild's side who believe the suspension was unjust.'

That's all. I'm not defending TMO or even making my own judgement of them or Rogaen's decision. It's quite clear that the already abundant hate for TMO present here is adding fuel to the fire and is responsible for a lot of people's mental justification for Rogean's actions. I do firmly believe that if it was another guild who had 2 exploiters and shared accounts somewhat freely(which again, many respectable guilds do), many people's opinions on Rogaen's decisions would be different.

The way they are handling this whole situation is really helping.

[Ungriim]

TMO has been playing here since when the server pop was in the low 100s.


Also brah - Divinity is guild #18. IB is #28. Europa is #29. DA was like 46 if I remember right. Your guild # is....




































183.

Stop pretending like youre one of the good'ole boys.

[heazels]

How Zeelot should have handled it:


"Hey guys,

Just wanted to let you know we're really disappointed at this whole situation. From what we can tell, all of the offenses here center around a few individuals in particular who have been banned/removed following evidence from staff showing their misdeeds.

Account sharing is very common at the top end of the game because of the many benefits it provides, and most guilds do this to some degree. Unfortunately, there's also a shared risk since we see it's difficult and time intensive for staff to decipher which accounts to punish in the case of events like these.

So, we're providing any help we can to staff to help untangle legitimate accounts from those controlled solely by the offenders since we don't want the remaining vast majority members (who do not cheat, rmt, etc as we absolutely have zero tolerance for it) to suffer for the actions of a few.

Whatever you may think about altercations we've had with you in competition for raid mobs, etc, this is a different situation. This involves outright cheating (on an emulated, 12+ year old game no less) that screws up the economy and game rather than mere unsportsmanlike conduct. Again, we have zero tolerance for childish BS like that.

As for the raid scene, we're open to any suggestions or discussions on how to make the classic experience enjoyable for all (since a robust population of all types of players benefits everyone, including us) and look forward to that going forward."



He'd still take a lot of heat, haters would still take their shots. But they wouldn't stick nearly as well. When you act whiny and self-righteous and reject all blame, the haters are given the best ammo against you. Accounts of players in your guild comprised a vast majority of the cheating accounts - sorry, that's reason to single out any guild, even if it's the first time it's ever happened in such a public way. So don't start rule lawyering, deflecting, and pointing fingers when the wrong here was committed by your members. You're playing a game with other people, not campaigning for public office.


Because they didnt handle it like this, it makes them look more guilty

[Loke]

First of all.. I'm not in TMO. Although I've learned that any opinion I post here that isn't 'TMO IS THE FACE OF EVIL' is greatly frowned upon and gets many hostile responses. I was simply voicing the very basic opinion that 'if another guild got this kind of mass-suspension because of 2 exploiters and account sharing(which is common in many guilds), there would probably a lot of people on that guild's side who believe the suspension was unjust.'

That's all. I'm not defending TMO or even making my own judgement of them or Rogaen's decision. It's quite clear that the already abundant hate for TMO present here is adding fuel to the fire and is responsible for a lot of people's mental justification for Rogean's actions. I do firmly believe that if it was another guild who had 2 exploiters and shared accounts somewhat freely(which again, many respectable guilds do), many people's opinions on Rogaen's decisions would be different.

Yes, but if this happened to another guild I can tell you right now TMO would be in here screaming for them all to be perma-banned. How do I know? Because that is exactly what they did for the MQ/SEQ ban. They didn't care whether one guildy logged on another's account and used MQ/SEQ, the vast majority of them said it was guilt by association. People act like this is unprecedented, but it isn't. GMs listed the number of people suspended from each guild during the SEQ/MQ ban as well as released a list of all the banned accounts (see Alarti's post). This isn't the GMs picking on TMO, it is them naming and shaming the guild that was overwhelmingly associated with the exploiting, as has been done in the past.

TMO has had no sympathy for players who got caught up in things like this in the past, and have shown no remorse for the role they have played in this matter, so I think the response thus far has been fairly appropriate.

[Pheer]

TMO accounts get banned for a cheater being allowed to log into them - Innocent angels who are the victims of a cold and heartless world

Anyone else's account banned because someone using SEQ or MQ logged onto it and got the account flagged - Scum that should be cleaned off the server and have their name mentioned in every forumquest thread related to cheating for the next decade

[Orruar]

The way they are handling this whole situation is really helping.

No kidding. The only kind of post we should see from their guild leader is one that accepts responsibility for the situation and seek to improve it. The first step in solving a problem is to recognize it. Without this, the server will be back in the same position in 3 weeks that it was in last week. This post by Zeelot is not encouraging at all.

I guess the only real hope is that the people in TMO who claim to want a better raid environment are serious and take actions that force their leadership to move things in that direction.

[Ungriim]

Anyone else notice that

...But you truly are an idiot with no grasp of truth and my last hope for you is that you just like to troll.

Get a life. lol

Reads a lot like:
I am truely an idiot with no grasp of truth and my last hope is that I just like to troll.

[Fael]

You arrive at that conclusion because your a logical person who isn't blinded by bias. Whether that be chests vision of a casual friendly raid scene or tasslehoffs unbridled hatred for perceived past wrongs.

The decision gives you what you want or fits your grand narrative of why you couldn't get what you wanted before.

Dolic

[Lazie]

No kidding. The only kind of post we should see from their guild leader is one that accepts responsibility for the situation and seek to improve it. The first step in solving a problem is to recognize it. Without this, the server will be back in the same position in 3 weeks that it was in last week. This post by Zeelot is not encouraging at all.

I guess the only real hope is that the people in TMO who claim to want a better raid environment are serious and take actions that force their leadership to move things in that direction.

Exactly my thoughts and if their leaders don't change their way of thinking.. Understand that with guilds working together they have other options not to support those actions that is detrimental except to the few who feel entitled and selfish. I mean just look at Eccezan's post and even this OP. Do you really want to follow those guys when everyone else on the server wants to work together to make this server better overall.

I understand choosing that option when it was the only choice around, but right now everyone has a chance to make things better on this server by making decisions that benefit everyone and not just themselves. I am sure there are still the hardcore in that guild that will never change their mind. But if they don't have the numbers to help them reach those selfish goals then they are just another group of douche-bags you put on ignore.

[arsenalpow]

You arrive at that conclusion because your a logical person who isn't blinded by bias. Whether that be chests vision of a casual friendly raid scene or tasslehoffs unbridled hatred for perceived past wrongs.

The decision gives you what you want or fits your grand narrative of why you couldn't get what you wanted before.

Dolic

It's not about getting what I want, it's about the amount of bullshit that you and your ilk have decided to inject into the "classic raid scene experience" for the sole sake of cockblocking other guilds from progressing.

You know there wouldn't be backlash like this of you were a bunch of automatons that just raided, collected the loot if you win, said GG and walked away if you lost, but no - you and yours have pushed the boundaries of trolling and griefing so you can have loot for your 5th alt at the expense of anyone that would dare get in your way.

Quit acting like victims, it makes you look infinitely worse.

[heazels]

You arrive at that conclusion because your a logical person who isn't blinded by bias. Whether that be chests vision of a casual friendly raid scene or tasslehoffs unbridled hatred for perceived past wrongs.

The decision gives you what you want or fits your grand narrative of why you couldn't get what you wanted before.

Dolic

No logical defense, so revert to personal attacks. RnF newbie

[Nirgon]

You're missing the real point here.

After farming Kunark for 4 years... do you really need to be duping shit?

Name a guild on live that had a combined 100 cloak of flames?

Or someone with 4 characters in VP gear? Can you people ever have enough Kunark pixels? Is there some limit where you can say "yes, I am happy with this"?

Terrible to see 2-3 people get 86 accounts banned, many of which had no idea the guilty parties were doing it.

That said, who knows how much shit leaked its way into the economy or how long the bug was known.

[Fountree]

You're missing the real point here.

After farming Kunark for 4 years... do you really need to be duping shit?

Name a guild on live that had a combined 100 cloak of flames?

Or someone with 4 characters in VP gear? Can you people ever have enough Kunark pixels? Is there some limit where you can say "yes, I am happy with this"?

Terrible to see 2-3 people get 86 accounts banned, many of which had no idea the guilty parties were doing it.

That said, who knows how much shit leaked its way into the economy or how long the bug was known.

[kbnexus]

Funny how all those accounts that you're using as proof got the same punishment, yet now you're advocating for special treatment.

Also, most of those accounts changed hands with some (probably even moreso now) being tagged in your own guild... but please keep digging your own hole.

All of those accounts were guilty, yet they werent perma banned, and their guilds werent raid suspended. Szeth was sold for 500$ he lives in FE now. Xeli was sold... also IB/FE Daliant bought RMT hes in IB/FE. Offenders not banned. Guilds not suspended.

Its about consistency.

[kbnexus]

You're missing the real point here.

After farming Kunark for 4 years... do you really need to be duping shit?

Name a guild on live that had a combined 100 cloak of flames?

Or someone with 4 characters in VP gear? Can you people ever have enough Kunark pixels? Is there some limit where you can say "yes, I am happy with this"?

Terrible to see 2-3 people get 86 accounts banned, many of which had no idea the guilty parties were doing it.

That said, who knows how much shit leaked its way into the economy or how long the bug was known.


This is kinda the point. TMO has millions in the bank tons of items and 0 need to dupe anything. What foovy/internode did was for personal use. __Also our guild bank isnt banned. Confirmed un-associated.

[arsenalpow]

Consistently being the most suspended guild on the server

[Lazie]

All of those accounts were guilty, yet they werent perma banned, and their guilds werent raid suspended. Szeth was sold for 500$ he lives in FE now. Xeli was sold... also IB/FE Daliant bought RMT hes in IB/FE. Offenders not banned. Guilds not suspended.

Its about consistency.

There was more than one reason given for your suspension. Stop focusing on one and feel lucky TMO wasn't disbanded.

[Lazie]

b

[Lazie]

This is kinda the point. TMO has millions in the bank tons of items and 0 need to dupe anything. What foovy/internode did was for personal use. __Also our guild bank isnt banned. Confirmed un-associated.

PHEW THE PIXELS ARE SAFE GUYS!!!!

[kbnexus]

Yes, but if this happened to another guild I can tell you right now TMO would be in here screaming for them all to be perma-banned. How do I know? Because that is exactly what they did for the MQ/SEQ ban. They didn't care whether one guildy logged on another's account and used MQ/SEQ, the vast majority of them said it was guilt by association. People act like this is unprecedented, but it isn't. GMs listed the number of people suspended from each guild during the SEQ/MQ ban as well as released a list of all the banned accounts (see Alarti's post). This isn't the GMs picking on TMO, it is them naming and shaming the guild that was overwhelmingly associated with the exploiting, as has been done in the past.

TMO has had no sympathy for players who got caught up in things like this in the past, and have shown no remorse for the role they have played in this matter, so I think the response thus far has been fairly appropriate.

I have no sympathy for cheaters/offenders. 86 account's didnt dupe. 2 players did. Loke should be perma banned for using SEQ. Froovy/Internode and his owned accounts should be perma banned. Non-offenders shouldnt be banned/suspended.

Pretty simple

GM's didnt list those accounts. Uthgaard did. He was also removed as GM after that. Rogean is top dog.... something gonna remove him now?

[kbnexus]

There was more than one reason given for your suspension. Stop focusing on one and feel lucky TMO wasn't disbanded.

It would probably be better if we were disbanded. We could just raid without a guild tag and people wouldnt be able to blame a collective for individual actions.

[Rangerboy]

zeel is a big ol cry baby. u dont like free server, than leave.

[Loke]

I've got an idea for a punishment...

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=379407&postcount=169

What do you think Jeremy?

[Lazie]

It would probably be better if we were disbanded. We could just raid without a guild tag and people wouldnt be able to blame a collective for individual actions.

Kinda like TMO blames other collectives for individual actions right ?


Interesting how you guys can't take what you sling at other people.

[Rangerboy]

simple rules, if you cheat, you get banned.

[Loke]

I have no sympathy for cheaters/offenders. 86 account's didnt dupe. 2 players did. Loke should be perma banned for using SEQ. Froovy/Internode and his owned accounts should be perma banned. Non-offenders shouldnt be banned/suspended.

Pretty simple

GM's didnt list those accounts. Uthgaard did. He was also removed as GM after that. Rogean is top dog.... something gonna remove him now?

I didn't use SEQ. Someone I shared my account info with logged on my account and used it... I'm clearly just an innocent victim. Also, I don't really play anymore, so it is a moot point. Might be back for velious, we'll see. Just killing some time and basking in the glory of this whole thing.

[kbnexus]

Kinda like TMO blames other collectives for individual actions right ?


Interesting how you guys can't take what you sling at other people.

RnF is RnF. This is server chat. :)
TMO has always understood that RMT'ers will happen, that SEQ on a small scale will happen.
Difference is our officers/leadership doesnt get suspended for Hacking or RMT unlike other guilds IB(Perun/Kinsawt) VD(Teeroy/Najdorf) etc etc.

[dav]

Recent Exploit

Recently, I found out via Rogean's inflammatory post that 2-3 TMO members who had access to a large number of TMO accounts used some sort of item dupe at some point in time on their own characters. Froovy and Internode are two that I have heard of so far (unfortunately members trusted them with access to many accounts, including one of my alt cleric accounts), I have not heard any other evidence implicating any other TMO members. Almost all banned accounts have nothing to do with any exploit. I am sure they will enjoy their no-eq christmas holidays thanks to Rogean's new hardline approach, banning unrelated parties.




In the past, we have dealt with things legitimately. We respect GMs and speak with you through the petition forums and proper channels. I am unsure why you are attacking TMO publicly rather than coming to the leadership and trying to get to the bottom of it. I would obviously assist you any way I can & remove any parties you informed me as cheaters. Banning 80+ unrelated parties seems like a personal vendetta more than anything. Especially when you do it while calling out the guild name, saying we were lucky to not been disbanded. TMO has been playing here since when the server pop was in the low 100s. We have been helping with promoting & classicizing the server for years; perhaps we have dominated the raid scene, but we have contributed as much as we can to bug reports and making this server the classic experience Nilbog envisions.

Real Money Trading



As far as I am aware, 1 ex-TMO named Crazyeyes the King of Thieves was caught for this recently. Totally caught us off guard, there's always been people who quit EQ and cash out, how can you hold a guild accountable for that - One individual member who bails.

Why were no other guilds who had RMTers in it called out to the server? Once again seems like a targeted attack.

Raid Scene



In the past, wizard epic first had been ninja looted off of CT by an officer of a rival guild and nothing was done except a personal suspension. A VP ninja loot of an exe blade off silverwing also occurred in the past with a 1 wk personal suspension. The public announcement of disciplinary action against TMO and the actions of our crazy french Canadian SK(Who has already been suspended for weeks for the infraction - & has a 2month suspension), should have no connection if you wish to be consistent.




If you wanted TMO to change our raid scene approach, you could have asked and we would have been open to any ideas. It seems more like you just want TMO to disband or be severely hurt. This has only been an issue since the return of the players who left for EQ mac. I hope we can resolve this and you will remove the post attacking TMO for a few individuals actions.




Thanks

What a piece of shit. I hope Rogean reads this and perma bans you on principle.

P.S. In case you haven't gathered, this post/thread is making your entire guild look WORSE, not BETTER. Nobody but TMO is buying that you guys are being treated unfairly, in fact most people think you're getting off easy.

Good work fearless leader.

[Rangerboy]

i hope rogean bans this butthole too

[Lazie]

RnF is RnF. This is server chat. :)
TMO has always understood that RMT'ers will happen, that SEQ on a small scale will happen.
Difference is our officers/leadership doesnt get suspended for Hacking or RMT unlike other guilds IB(Perun/Kinsawt) VD(Teeroy/Najdorf) etc etc.

No they just raid interfere and get suspended when anyone dares attempt to kill anything (Since we are making broad swooping statements).

[Loke]

More ideas for punishments from people in this thread...

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=381928&postcount=226

These TMO guys sure have some good ideas.

[Ungriim]

All of those accounts were guilty, yet they werent perma banned, and their guilds werent raid suspended. Szeth was sold for 500$ he lives in FE now. Xeli was sold... also IB/FE Daliant bought RMT hes in IB/FE. Offenders not banned. Guilds not suspended.

Its about consistency.

If it was consistant then back in the day when TMO was at its worst, when FE was getting most outdoor dragons and training in VP, the sev kite that I fraps'd wouldve resulted in your guild being suspended for 2 weeks, your morale wouldve finally bottomed out, and you would've crumbled. So you should be happy about that inconsistancy.

[Nanjiro]

All I gotta say is this no name player is pleased to see the gm's are doing a good job.

I hope all those accounts stay perma banned.

[Lazie]

What Alarti seems to be missing with his responses above all else is.. The attitude being displayed by him and other members of TMO is one of the things specifically addressed by Rogean in his post.

He is telling everyone it is time to change the attitudes and make things amiable. Let go all of those old grudges Alarti if you wish to continue raiding here is the only advice I can give you at this point.

Start working with other guilds instead of trying your best to get each other banned or cock block each other. A change was called for from the guy in control of this box. If you want to call him "Batshit crazy" like you have in other posts... It is to your detriment, not the servers.

[Blink]

Disband TMO; ban Zeelot.

[Xadion]

Random reply to whomever said even FoH shared mobs... LOL Did you play on veeshan? did you raid on veeshan? as for LoS Triton etc who knows... I didnt play on those servers- but I am a april 1999 veeshan vet- they didnt share anything they wanted or needed- you got what was left over np and they where generally really nice people in the day 2 day- I talked to alot of SKs like Faerin etc etc- but when it was "game face on" mode- if you where in their way- sorry dudes.

[Andervin]

If this server goes full mob rotation, there will be a steep decline in the population of hardcores that play as well as any competition involved in getting mobs. But maybe that is what Rogean wants. And if it is, then so be it.


As someone new to the server (just over a month now) I really really hope you're right. Before this debacle I had pretty much resigned myself to the fact that I would never get to do much, if any, raiding on this server w/o having to join a guild full of douche bags. But now.... weee! Thanks for being douche bags.... douche bags. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. :D

[kbnexus]

If it was consistant then back in the day when TMO was at its worst, when FE was getting most outdoor dragons and training in VP, the sev kite that I fraps'd wouldve resulted in your guild being suspended for 2 weeks, your morale wouldve finally bottomed out, and you would've crumbled. So you should be happy about that inconsistancy.

Pretty consistent when you couple that with the Fay kite we captured.

[Elmarnieh]

As someone new to the server (just over a month now) I really really hope you're right. Before this debacle I had pretty much resigned myself to the fact that I would never get to do much, if any, raiding on this server w/o having to join a guild full of douche bags. But now.... weee! Thanks for being douche bags.... douche bags. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. :D

Yes because people with a different play style than you are douchebags. What a completely self-absorbed attitude combined with a pity party.

[Blink]

We will fraps us deleting the raid loot off of any non PD mob we kill the first week we are back.

[TMOspy99]

http://i44.tinypic.com/25s0cpk.jpg

Just disband your guild already

[JackFlash]

I would love to see them create their own server. I wonder if dominating raid content to gear up alts 10 deep will be as fun uncontested.

[Nanjiro]

bhahaha, seriously just disband already.

[Andervin]

Yes because people with a different play style than you are douchebags. What a completely self-absorbed attitude combined with a pity party.

The general consensus of the community and GMs/Staff is that TMO's "style of gameplay" is douche-baggery. So, yeah. I'll assume you're a TMO member so I can understand that due to your head being so far up your ass you can't see that what your guild has been doing has adversely affected the game play of everyone else on the server. Hell, I've seen at least a half dozen people post that "I'm might actually come back to the server". That says a lot my friend.

[dav]

http://i44.tinypic.com/25s0cpk.jpg

Just disband your guild already

What a fucking cry baby.

At least when IB went to EQMac we were justifiably being persecuted by staff members at the time (Amelinda later revealed to be dating Tiggles/Uthgaard revealed to be assisting/feeding information to Tiggles), even if it wasn't proven until later.

TMO and Zeelot in particular are playing the Furor card and thinking/hoping Rogean gives a shit, because come on, does anyone but TMO/Zeelot REALLY believe they are being unfairly punished here? Not really.

Man up, you're not being treated unfairly, this isn't Amelinda 2.0 the deck has been stacked in your favor for years, quit crying if you get punished, eat the suspension admit that you were wrong and come back in 2 weeks.

For claritys sake: man up and quit acting like a giant baby throwing a tantrum.

[fastboy21]

i vote disband. do it. you won't.

[Loke]

Ok, last one, but I really do think these TMO guys have great ideas for how the staff should handle this.

Tiggles: http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=382927&postcount=9

[kbnexus]

What a fucking cry baby.

At least when IB went to EQMac we were justifiably being persecuted by staff members at the time (Amelinda later revealed to be dating Tiggles/Uthgaard revealed to be assisting/feeding information to Tiggles), even if it wasn't proven until later.

TMO and Zeelot in particular are playing the Furor card and thinking/hoping Rogean gives a shit, because come on, does anyone but TMO/Zeelot REALLY believe they are being unfairly punished here? Not really.

Man up, you're not being treated unfairly, this isn't Amelinda 2.0 the deck has been stacked in your favor for years, quit crying if you get punished, eat the suspension admit that you were wrong and come back in 2 weeks.

For claritys sake: man up and quit acting like a giant baby throwing a tantrum.

Except IB was RMTing with Amelinda all along. Amelinda was being paid by Kinsawt(IB leader)

I love how you choose to forget this fact.

[Nirgon]

zeel is a big ol cry baby. u dont like free server, than leave.

He's such a cry baby he actually made and ran the most pixel successful guild in the history of any emu.

You know, rather than cry about rules, spawn times etc.

I would WAGER that Zeelot prefers effort and organization to complaining about things in almost every situation.

I'd rather that Internode / Froovy (or future players who commit egregious crimes) can *never* make a new account and play here again.

I see it too many times that a banned player just rerolls and gets brought up by all his friends, or offered an account to take over.

I definitely see this as preference to banning 86 accounts. Especially shared portbots. PERMA BANS for offenders and a list of such players, on BOTH SERVERS, who if identified after their initial ban, will be immediately banned again along with the suspension of guild officers who knowingly invited them (harder to prove). This hits way harder and does much more for the community than wiping out people who were around someone duping shit/using MQ/whatever unknowingly. Getting banned from blue should not be a ticket to go accept a pixel package on red either, and repeat crimes (worse they can amass wealth and trade it 3:1 to blue... been there and done that as Samrothstein and saw around a million pp/in items move). Scum never changes, ban it and don't let scum reroll on either server.

What I *DO* agree on is a progloned suspension for an account with more than 50 or so logins as long as items were not constantly traded through/between those accounts. Characters who consistently traded, around the time of the duping to present, in these items/plat found to be duplicated should suffer the same fate as those banned. That is to say permanently banned and on a watch list to immediately ban them if they are found rerolling characters again on either server.

The raid suspension might also be a good thing for a week or two. While I doubt everyone was in on it or many knew outside of the 2-3 doing it, it is a stern reminder to the officers of any guild to NEVER look the other way and IMMEDIATELY remove members if there is any suspicion of things like this going on. Maybe it isn't fair, maybe no one knew outside the people exploiting, but its a point you should get across.

Back on live, I was in a guild that was disbanded at least twice on Rallos (Peace of Formosa). I never duped my corpse and frankly never knew how to until everyone quit, and at which time, it had been fixed. I never ran MQ/SEQ or anything like that either. I didn't habitually train, kill steal or otherwise shit on EQ's PNP policy. However, having my guild disbanded and being left with a lengthy KOS list by supporting them has long served me as a reminder in games to be wary of allying with the shitbag party, because once the officers/leadership are gone, the guild fails and you're left holding the reputation bag.

As a closing note, I've had my hands in dealing with IB/FE/TMO and read all guild chats, got to know people individually at various ranks in the guilds and even sat in their vents. As Tiggles very wisely pointed out, just as 10% of the server causes 90% of the problems, 10% of the guild causes 90% of those problems.

The loot hogging (read: having more than 2 decked out characters aka epic+trakanon loot+sky) comes down to players having nothing new content wise to farm and they are constantly making new alts, gearing them out and camping them out at raid targets. I blame a lot of the behavior on the population being top heavy at the raid scene due to lack of content. Kunark came out without a ton of classic mechanics being addressed and Nilbog (I presume at his direction) has circled back with his devs and started fixing all the little elements that made classic EQ distinguishable from POP+. I'm sure we could have had Velious by now but there'd be a ton of jacked up/non-classic content and mechanics still sitting around, some of which were so glaring and severe that I would say they invalidated any pride in raiding (hi2u Sirran + supporting scum).

The best "fix" to all of this, and an enjoyable while still fair (you might not get every loot in the game, trust me), is to appreciate this as a WORK IN PROGRESS and more of a beta than anything else (grats if you spent RMT on this, lol). A fresh server start with an approximately correct timeline does ensure that all players will be rewarded closely in relation to their time investment/skill and also that content is released at such a pace that the guild who has had it on farm has something to move on to so the #2 guy can get in on the content without having to wait too long.


Dictated but not read.

[heazels]

Random reply to whomever said even FoH shared mobs... LOL Did you play on veeshan? did you raid on veeshan? as for LoS Triton etc who knows... I didnt play on those servers- but I am a april 1999 veeshan vet- they didnt share anything they wanted or needed- you got what was left over np and they where generally really nice people in the day 2 day- I talked to alot of SKs like Faerin etc etc- but when it was "game face on" mode- if you where in their way- sorry dudes.

Legacy of Steel was definitely the most classy uberguild, They would always give others a shot a mobs if another guild was there first. Assuming you had the raid force there ready to take it and didnt have to wait hours for people to show up you still had a shot to kill things on Nameless.

If the group failed at their attempt they would kill it though. End of Story.

The only thing different about this server from classic is players attitudes, and training. The community is really terrible compared to what live was like. On nameless we had such a good relationship with LoS that we killed Avatar of War 1st time ever on any server and we split the loot between both guilds. Legacy of Steel did not poop sock, they did not camp alts and 15 different spawns. I dont even think most of them had alts. A lot of them had jobs and didnt live at home with their mom. Los even let us kill Temple of Veeshan mobs pre-luclin. They didnt lock stuff down all greedily. We even did a 2 group run on trak one time just for S&G's then we did a 2 group run on veeshan's peak. Half our guild and half legacy of steal. We raided with them in sleepers tomb all the time. That was the fun I remember in classic, not some 13 year olds trying to hoard all the pixels and just want to make sure no one else get pixels. People will actually still remember legacy of steel 10 years from now. And people will be like TMO WHO?

[dav]

Except IB was RMTing with Amelinda all along. Amelinda was being paid by Kinsawt(IB leader)

I love how you choose to forget this fact.

Huh? They have NOTHING to do with my statement. I would not attempt to refute them or cry about them either. Of COURSE Amelinda assisted Kinsawt and others in RMTing off the server. That has no bearing on what I said.

Also, Kinsawt was not and never has been guild leader of IB.

[Elmarnieh]

The general consensus of the community and GMs/Staff is that TMO's "style of gameplay" is douche-baggery. So, yeah. I'll assume you're a TMO member so I can understand that due to your head being so far up your ass you can't see that what your guild has been doing has adversely affected the game play of everyone else on the server. Hell, I've seen at least a half dozen people post that "I'm might actually come back to the server". That says a lot my friend.

Nope never been TMO but thanks for revleaing how your leaps of logic are actually pitfalls. Thats great and if general consensus was anything more than a logical fallacy you might have a point. Oops too bad you don't.

You don't like how some people enjoy the game according to the rules of the server. Thats awesome for you you special little snowflake but it means shit when it comes to how the world either should be or is. The rules allow for FTE to claim the mob so thats what happens. You don't like it well tough shit really. You have the option of joining a guild that places demands on your time in order to get those mobs. You don't want to because you value your time someplace else - hey great - your choice. But the thing is you want to place restraints on others who value their time in game doing just that more than other things. You don't want to do the work required you just want to be given stuff on a platter backed up by your self-absorbed, egocentric, and childish whining to "make it fair" (of course fair is defined as what you want).

Pathetic.

[Fountree]

Another great Nirgon post, +1

[Aeaolena]

http://imgur.com/KdnI9GQ.gif

[kbnexus]

Huh? They have NOTHING to do with my statement. I would not attempt to refute them or cry about them either. Of COURSE Amelinda assisted Kinsawt and others in RMTing off the server. That has no bearing on what I said.

Also, Kinsawt was not and never has been guild leader of IB.

Raid leader/officer. Whatever. You say tmo had GM assistance yet that same gm was assisting IB. Also that same gm Suspended TMO. Yep GM assistance.

You also didnt mention the 3 IB staff members Hobby/Cyrius/Xzerion, or Rogean being R/L friends with many of IB's older members. You didn't mention the Foxwoods dates, and direct phone calls Eashan and others got to make to rogean. (not to mention the direct line to its inguild staff members)

But please tell us more!

[kbnexus]

He's such a cry baby he actually made and ran the most pixel successful guild in the history of any emu.

You know, rather than cry about rules, spawn times etc.

I would WAGER that Zeelot prefers effort and organization to complaining about things in almost every situation.

I'd rather that Internode / Froovy (or future players who commit egregious crimes) can *never* make a new account and play here again.

I see it too many times that a banned player just rerolls and gets brought up by all his friends, or offered an account to take over.

I definitely see this as preference to banning 86 accounts. Especially shared portbots. PERMA BANS for offenders and a list of such players, on BOTH SERVERS, who if identified after their initial ban, will be immediately banned again along with the suspension of guild officers who knowingly invited them (harder to prove). This hits way harder and does much more for the community than wiping out people who were around someone duping shit/using MQ/whatever unknowingly. Getting banned from blue should not be a ticket to go accept a pixel package on red either, and repeat crimes (worse they can amass wealth and trade it 3:1 to blue... been there and done that as Samrothstein and saw around a million pp/in items move). Scum never changes, ban it and don't let scum reroll on either server.

What I *DO* agree on is a progloned suspension for an account with more than 50 or so logins as long as items were not constantly traded through/between those accounts. Characters who consistently traded, around the time of the duping to present, in these items/plat found to be duplicated should suffer the same fate as those banned. That is to say permanently banned and on a watch list to immediately ban them if they are found rerolling characters again on either server.

The raid suspension might also be a good thing for a week or two. While I doubt everyone was in on it or many knew outside of the 2-3 doing it, it is a stern reminder to the officers of any guild to NEVER look the other way and IMMEDIATELY remove members if there is any suspicion of things like this going on. Maybe it isn't fair, maybe no one knew outside the people exploiting, but its a point you should get across.

Back on live, I was in a guild that was disbanded at least twice on Rallos (Peace of Formosa). I never duped my corpse and frankly never knew how to until everyone quit, and at which time, it had been fixed. I never ran MQ/SEQ or anything like that either. I didn't habitually train, kill steal or otherwise shit on EQ's PNP policy. However, having my guild disbanded and being left with a lengthy KOS list by supporting them has long served me as a reminder in games to be wary of allying with the shitbag party, because once the officers/leadership are gone, the guild fails and you're left holding the reputation bag.

As a closing note, I've had my hands in dealing with IB/FE/TMO and read all guild chats, got to know people individually at various ranks in the guilds and even sat in their vents. As Tiggles very wisely pointed out, just as 10% of the server causes 90% of the problems, 10% of the guild causes 90% of those problems.

The loot hogging (read: having more than 2 decked out characters aka epic+trakanon loot+sky) comes down to players having nothing new content wise to farm and they are constantly making new alts, gearing them out and camping them out at raid targets. I blame a lot of the behavior on the population being top heavy at the raid scene due to lack of content. Kunark came out without a ton of classic mechanics being addressed and Nilbog (I presume at his direction) has circled back with his devs and started fixing all the little elements that made classic EQ distinguishable from POP+. I'm sure we could have had Velious by now but there'd be a ton of jacked up/non-classic content and mechanics still sitting around, some of which were so glaring and severe that I would say they invalidated any pride in raiding (hi2u Sirran + supporting scum).

The best "fix" to all of this, and an enjoyable while still fair (you might not get every loot in the game, trust me), is to appreciate this as a WORK IN PROGRESS and more of a beta than anything else (grats if you spent RMT on this, lol). A fresh server start with an approximately correct timeline does ensure that all players will be rewarded closely in relation to their time investment/skill and also that content is released at such a pace that the guild who has had it on farm has something to move on to so the #2 guy can get in on the content without having to wait too long.


Dictated but not read.


/thread

Nirgon wins again. Nothing changes.

[Loke]

You also didnt mention the 3 IB staff members Hobby/Cyrius/Xzerion,

Who was Hobby? To my knowledge people claimed it was Virtuosos, but im about 99% sure that wasn't true. Cyrius was Uu but was removed as a Guide while he was still in Darkwind. He didn't join IB until long after he was removed as a GM (I know, because I was in DA at the time he was removed, and joined IB before he did). And Xzerion was a developer and you guys chasing him off probably has a lot to do with the fact that we've been waiting on Velious forever.

[Nirgon]

Another great Nirgon post, +1

It's called being objective and thinking things through.

I'd suggest TMO even take a month break to see how IB/FE treat the rest of the guilds on the server.

See if they actually make a rotation/raid calendar. THEN they are the better men.

Go on, I'll wait.

Otherwise, they're the same as TMO, just less determined and willing to give up less RL.

[kbnexus]

Who was Hobby? To my knowledge people claimed it was Virtuosos, but im about 99% sure that wasn't true. Cyrius was Uu but was removed as a Guide while he was still in Darkwind. He didn't join IB until long after he was removed as a GM (I know, because I was in DA at the time he was removed, and joined IB before he did). And Xzerion was a developer and you guys chasing him off probably has a lot to do with the fact that we've been waiting on Velious forever.

Hobby was Virtuosos that was confirmed by none other than Hobby/Virtuosos.

Xzerion did almost no work developing this was documented. We are waiting on velious simply because nilbog is very very careful who he lets dev.

[Andervin]

Nope never been TMO but thanks for revleaing how your leaps of logic are actually pitfalls. Thats great and if general consensus was anything more than a logical fallacy you might have a point. Oops too bad you don't.


My bad. I assumed from your demeanor and defense of TMO that you were a member. I apologize. I didn't realize you were just an elitist asshole. :D Carry on.

[Elmarnieh]

My bad. I assumed from your demeanor and defense of TMO that you were a member. I apologize. I didn't realize you were just an elitist asshole. :D Carry on.

I'm not the one calling people douches just because they don't like the same play style I do.

[Purdee]

its not about play style, its about treating each other with respect.

[dav]

Raid leader/officer. Whatever. You say tmo had GM assistance yet that same gm was assisting IB. Also that same gm Suspended TMO. Yep GM assistance.

You also didnt mention the 3 IB staff members Hobby/Cyrius/Xzerion, or Rogean being R/L friends with many of IB's older members. You didn't mention the Foxwoods dates, and direct phone calls Eashan and others got to make to rogean. (not to mention the direct line to its inguild staff members)

But please tell us more!

Huh, is this a deflection, what are you talking about? That GM didn't suspend TMO. Unless you're talking about the suspension that was lifted and wasn't told to anybody but TMO, i.e. the very unfair situation I was talking about to begin with, then yes.

Why does the fact that she helped Kinsawt RMT mean that she wasn't helping the guild her boyfriend was in your eyes? Are you really so thick that you're attempting to say because she helped when person do x, she clearly didn't help one person do y?

In regards to the other individuals you mentioned, of course that occured as well. Just like Rogean gave Phisting items in exchange for some police assistance and they called/had dinner. It happens all the time, what does that have to do with what I said?

You're not making sense, you just sound upset. There are dozens of incidents of GM-player interaction or GM-guild relations that happens on this server, that doesn't detract from anything I've said.

[Nirgon]

The fact is using this argument is null and void considering TMO was once the guild that was going to dethrone the previous "douchebags" and promised to be a better top guild. Look what happened they ended up much worse and completely ruined the end game for all others involved. It was bad before when it was IB... but not nearly as bad as the last few years with TMO.

Are there similarities, yes

Are they the same.... no

Of course they aren't exactly the same. There's different staff now, personalities invovled etc.

The intention is there, the behavior is there, the % of mobs taken is there.

BUT! The same thing is happening and everyone who isn't at the mob kills is talking shit... which receives the "you guys are noobs" response back.

I want to see the other guilds make a raid calendar in TMO's absence. Then you win the argument and are the "better people".

Go ahead, do it.

I forget who but they said it was a line of like 10 guilds for Venril or something on their live server. Sounds about right. I'm sure the try hard raid crowd who invests godly hours is just dying to implement a calendar like that.

[Xadion]

IB will make an agreement and maybe keep it during the two weeks, and maybe a little after. Would beat out the past record of agreement keeping in the DA days.

[Nirgon]

Xadion if you read the other guilds forums do you think there's threads like

"Now we can implement the calendar/rotation! Yes!"

Bet the farm they don't :).

[Xadion]

Nah, its more like "how can we manipulate the sheeple into gaining complete controll"

To do that if they have to hold hands and play nice for a week or two they will...maybe

[Nirgon]

Exactly that.

If you're a member of another guild here, go check your own guild's forums now.

Tell me about your plans to work with other guilds to create a raid calendar. Maybe since this has come under scrutiny moves have been made. Or maybe I'm just wrong, that happens too.

[Pringles]

I try to stay out of the end-game drama.... because I just don't care.

But this is too much. Multiple members duping and RMTing. Just ban the *entire* TMO guild. There may be some unfortunate collateral damage, but as a whole the entire server will be better for it. You guys ruin this great server, seriously. I would not at all be surprised to see them pull the plug on the box because of one guild, TMO.

These fucktards do nothing but ruin the experience of the server for 100s of people. Its not "competition" as they claim, its nothing more than childish behavior, *intentionally* ruining the game for others (multiple TMOs member words, not mine).

Good riddance TMO, every last one of you.

Merry Christmas to everyone else. Big thank you to the staff for putting up with this bullshit. Ban them all.

[kbnexus]

Huh, is this a deflection, what are you talking about? That GM didn't suspend TMO. Unless you're talking about the suspension that was lifted and wasn't told to anybody but TMO, i.e. the very unfair situation I was talking about to begin with, then yes.

Why does the fact that she helped Kinsawt RMT mean that she wasn't helping the guild her boyfriend was in your eyes? Are you really so thick that you're attempting to say because she helped when person do x, she clearly didn't help one person do y?

In regards to the other individuals you mentioned, of course that occured as well. Just like Rogean gave Phisting items in exchange for some police assistance and they called/had dinner. It happens all the time, what does that have to do with what I said?

You're not making sense, you just sound upset. There are dozens of incidents of GM-player interaction or GM-guild relations that happens on this server, that doesn't detract from anything I've said.

Nothing you are saying is making sense.
1. There is proof IB was paying Amelinda
2. There is nothing implicating Amelinda of being overly nice to TMO.

Thanks for playing kiddo.

[Villide]

Good god. This might be the weakest job of putting out a P.R. fire since the Republican faithful tried to spin Romney's "47%" remarks.

Was Dennis Rodman not available to help?

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

The general consensus of the community and GMs/Staff is that TMO's "style of gameplay" is douche-baggery. So, yeah. I'll assume you're a TMO member so I can understand that due to your head being so far up your ass you can't see that what your guild has been doing has adversely affected the game play of everyone else on the server. Hell, I've seen at least a half dozen people post that "I'm might actually come back to the server". That says a lot my friend.

First and foremost, you are definitely jumping on the wrong person here.

Secondly: The people you are claiming to despise are not orders of magnitude, triple digit percentages or even small numbers more dedicated or "hardcore" than the next in line. They are decimal places more serious when compared to number 2 and 3 on the server. This means that, if you were to quantify it with no1 being 100% serious, no2 and no3 would be 99.8% and 99.7% as serious (respectively). We're talking about hackusations of autofire attack for a highly variable spawn times mob implying countless hours of tracking and pre mobilization efforts. Are you on this level?

This means that as a casual, you will not be seeing a large amount unless you join a guild who's focus is on casual content or trying to raid using a hardcore "core" and utilizing a vast army of casuals to fill the ranks.

Many tears have been shed about this but end-game Everquest is not meant for casuals, plain and simple. People are wearing rose colored glasses when they reminisce about the nostalgia not realizing that getting to 50 or 60 on live was a big deal. This, by default (while also acknowledging the timeline) puts the vast majority of players beyond the beginner/intermediate stages a lot of us got to when we played on live.

This can and will be hard for people to reconcile because here is what it looks like when you view p99 at server select without logging in:
- oh wow! Only 1k players! I remember it being 2.5k on my server on live!
- lots of time spent on idle content, should be some downward pressure on a lot of items.

And so on and so forth. People came back thinking their second go around was going to be different from their first...

Either way, community at large is fantastic, "competitive" gameplay can be fun if you make it fun and you will be able to experience a lot of good content but you will need to put in time and effort and likely more of it than you think you will at 1 month of gameplay. You need to adjust your opinions of the people you're railing against because right behind then are others ready and willing to do the same thing.

[Orruar]

Exactly that.

If you're a member of another guild here, go check your own guild's forums now.

Tell me about your plans to work with other guilds to create a raid calendar. Maybe since this has come under scrutiny moves have been made. Or maybe I'm just wrong, that happens too.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131739

Don't need to check guild forums, just another thread in this forum, and you'd have your answer. Seems the guild leaders got together rather quickly to work out a special arrangement to make the raid scene on this server better.

You say it won't last and we'll have the shitfest of 2012/2013 all through 2014? The mighty Rogean has already spoken and said it will not be so. If things devolve again, the shitfest won't last for long before actions are taken.

Do not challenge the Rogean's power. Do not anger the Rogean.

[dav]

Nothing you are saying is making sense.
1. There is proof IB was paying Amelinda
2. There is nothing implicating Amelinda of being overly nice to TMO.

Thanks for playing kiddo.

There is proof IB-Members were paying Amelinda* - Fact.
There is proof implicating Amelinda favoring TMO* - Fact.

What is your issue here?

[Nuggie]

On the 2 hour drive home 12 pages spawned. Lots of juicey pr spin happening.

As far as the VD suspensions went, we(not me) took it on the chin and either bowed out or came back to pick it up and carry on. We didn't cry about unfair treatment.

Zeelot, good luck with that. Only the sith deal in absolutes.

Maybe the rest of the flock that don't go can split up and make two guilds to help foster a more friendly raiding environment.

[kbnexus]

There is proof IB-Members were paying Amelinda* - Fact.
There is proof implicating Amelinda favoring TMO* - Fact.

What is your issue here?

The second line. There is nothing indicating and rulings amelinda made affected tmo obviously in a biased fashion. Please provide these facts you claim to have.

Please!

[Rangerboy]

Zeelot is mad

[kbnexus]

On the 2 hour drive home 12 pages spawned. Lots of juicey pr spin happening.

As far as the VD suspensions went, we(not me) took it on the chin and either bowed out or came back to pick it up and carry on. We didn't cry about unfair treatment.

Zeelot, good luck with that. Only the sith deal in absolutes.

Maybe the rest of the flock that don't go can split up and make two guilds to help foster a more friendly raiding environment.

Was your guild raid suspended? Derp

[Ahldagor]

I have no sympathy for cheaters/offenders. 86 account's didnt dupe. 2 players did. Loke should be perma banned for using SEQ. Froovy/Internode and his owned accounts should be perma banned. Non-offenders shouldnt be banned/suspended.

Pretty simple

GM's didnt list those accounts. Uthgaard did. He was also removed as GM after that. Rogean is top dog.... something gonna remove him now?

Ignorance is no excuse.

See how much work your guild has created for the staff? The staff now has to go around investigating 86 accounts because your guild couldn't keep their info to themselves. Your guild has benefited massively from the ability to share accounts, and this is the risk associated with that strategy.

And still, there is no remorse from TMO except toward its own membership. Nothing to be sorry about except that you got caught. Only obstinate defiance.

Damn good thread, and anything of my opinion, not that it matters, has already been said by Barkingturtle.

[Senaiel]

To whomever complained about VD memblurring: yes,we (VD) did grief you in VP with memblur. You should blame yourselves for that because you were the ones who showed us how to do it while losing a few of your precious mobs outside of VP.

[Nuggie]

Also, on amelinda. I recall her looking past TMO's shadyness a bunch of times. Claiming there wasn't enough evidence or whatever when it was clear to those present that they broke rules.

I also recall her coking down on IB a lot more often than TMO. It appeared that she came down on TMO only when the situation left her zero wiggle room to let them out.

Also speaking to some of TMO's more ancient douchebaggery: I recall VD having fear broken and TMO coming in to take the necros and druid dropping mobs out from under us.

[Rangerboy]

poll to ban zeelot: http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131798

[pharmakos]

If you wanted TMO to change our raid scene approach, you could have asked and we would have been open to any ideas.

lol, right, like the staff and everyone else has never expressed disapproval

[dav]

The second line. There is nothing indicating and rulings amelinda made affected tmo obviously in a biased fashion. Please provide these facts you claim to have.

Please!

It's a pretty widely established fact. She ninja-lifted TMO suspension, gave personal favors to tons of players in TMO (and other guilds for what it is worth) based on who was kissing the most ass/giving her the most attention, and was Tiggles e-girlfriend.

If you don't believe it then you simply cannot be helped, I am sorry. We are way off topic, and in the opinion of the majority of the people who are aware of the fact that Amelinda assisted TMO, you are wrong.

Back to the topic at hand.

[Nirgon]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131739

Don't need to check guild forums, just another thread in this forum, and you'd have your answer. Seems the guild leaders got together rather quickly to work out a special arrangement to make the raid scene on this server better.

You say it won't last and we'll have the shitfest of 2012/2013 all through 2014? The mighty Rogean has already spoken and said it will not be so. If things devolve again, the shitfest won't last for long before actions are taken.

Do not challenge the Rogean's power. Do not anger the Rogean.

The only thing I'm challenging Rogean's power on is sigquest which is bullshit right now.

I do truly hope your plans hold together. I really do. A pleasant raid atmosphere with mobs being downed at "normal hours" would be a nice change for everyone for a while.

[Pint]

Put a leash on your fucking mouthbreathers and maybe youd see a few more people sympathetic to your plight.

This is tmo's biggest issue, somehow they consistently overlook that their most vocal forum dwellers make their entire guild look very very bad to the rest of the server yet they never took the steps to put a stop to it. No one who visits these forums is going to have sympathy for you guys when you allow your members to tarnish your name on a daily basis and seemingly do not care. I truly hope the majority of the banned accts get reversed because the majority of your members are great players and good people, but for the love of god put a fucking muzzle on alarti and eccezan already, these are high ranking Tmo members that make your entire guild look like douchebags every single day.

[kotton05]

WTF ask you to change the raid scene, we did ask you.

[Orruar]

The only thing I'm challenging Rogean's power on is sigquest which is bullshit right now.

I do truly hope your plans hold together. I really do. A pleasant raid atmosphere with mobs being downed at "normal hours" would be a nice change for everyone for a while.

So if you find such a pleasant raid atmosphere to be preferable, why are you spending all your time shitting all over the arrangement they've made? Why are you so negative about things? Maybe I'm just a little more optimistic because I'm in 75 degree Florida kicking off a 2 week holiday break, but surely even in snow-packed Northern latitudes, you can be hopeful for an improved raid environment? I mean, if you just go around talking shit about IB/FE and how they are going to screw everyone over, is that going to make them more or less likely to work with others going forward? Is being a dick to them more likely to make them want to play nice, or less likely? Appeal to people's good side and you'll be more likely to see it.

[kbnexus]

Also, on amelinda. I recall her looking past TMO's shadyness a bunch of times. Claiming there wasn't enough evidence or whatever when it was clear to those present that they broke rules.

I also recall her coking down on IB a lot more often than TMO. It appeared that she came down on TMO only when the situation left her zero wiggle room to let them out.

Also speaking to some of TMO's more ancient douchebaggery: I recall VD having fear broken and TMO coming in to take the necros and druid dropping mobs out from under us.

Your biased anecdotes are fun and all.. but I was asking for facts.

[Ungriim]

Fact or Fiction Alarti? - Amelinda lifted a raid suspension ruling involving TMO and IB but only initially told TMO the ban was lifted?

[baalzy]

Yeah, this sucks. I went on hiatus and let one toon be used for VP raids; it's now banned because one of the exploiting individuals played on this account for a VP raid (unbeknownst to me). So 3rd party sharing of info ftw. Doing house cleaning today, changing PWs and all that jazz. It's really shitty that a few can ruin it for so many.

I kinda did the same thing (well, quit for 2 years and was lucky enough to get my accounts back). I'm actually wondering if theres any chance I got hit by this as I only secured my account info ~3 weeks ago.

I don't think its likely because I wasn't in TMO and I'm fairly confident the leadership of Vesica Dei kept my account info relatively tight-fisted while I was gone, but if I get home from work tonight and find my account is banned I'm not going to be upset. I'll petition to make sure I don't get a perma-sentence but I fully acknowledge that if I get punished its because I gave my info out.

I think the precedence this action sets could be a huge boon for the server, especially now with account sales not being allowed. It could lead to a situation where people have to strategically park their characters, which they leveled on their own, and be available to log that character in. Not just having people go 'Oh, CT is up. I'll log in on Bobs Tank. You get on Sallies Cleric. Okay it's dead, now I'll log into my 7th alt and loot)'. Instead it will be 'Oh, CT is up. Crap, Bob isn't available and noone else owns a parked tank up there. Okay I'll meet you in WC on my warrior for a port and we'll hope nobody beats us there'

[kbnexus]

It's a pretty widely established fact. She ninja-lifted TMO suspension, gave personal favors to tons of players in TMO (and other guilds for what it is worth) based on who was kissing the most ass/giving her the most attention, and was Tiggles e-girlfriend.

If you don't believe it then you simply cannot be helped, I am sorry. We are way off topic, and in the opinion of the majority of the people who are aware of the fact that Amelinda assisted TMO, you are wrong.

Back to the topic at hand.

Its not an established fact. The suspension was lifted because TMO proved we shouldnt be suspended at all.

Your belief means nothing to me.. post fact.
In case you were confused

A fact (derived from the Latin factum, see below) is something that has really occurred or is actually the case. The usual test for a statement of fact is verifiability, that is whether it can be proven to correspond to experience.

[Nirgon]

Appeal to people's good side and you'll be more likely to see it.

So when I say I hope that I'm wrong. What does that mean?

Maybe I should be more optimistic about my own predictions and I'd be nicer?

I don't think I'm being mean about anything.

Sometimes the truth is ugly if you get my feels.

[Orruar]

Why is it that in a thread called "recent events", we're discussing things that happened months/years ago? Let's not make this about the past, but the future!

[indiscriminate_hater]

took a while for the spin to come out. why the delay?

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131799

[Yinikren]

Facts, Alarti? Your guild is scum, you and Ecc shit up RNF, and rogean is tired of you ruining the server by monopolizing every mob.

Go home dude, your team lost.

[kbnexus]

Fact or Fiction Alarti? - Amelinda lifted a raid suspension ruling involving TMO and IB but only initially told TMO the ban was lifted?

Fact or fiction GM's have a long history(its actually a Staff rule) of not sharing rulings with the general populace?

[kbnexus]

Facts, Alarti? Your guild is scum, you and Ecc shit up RNF, and rogean is tired of you ruining the server by monopolizing every mob.

Go home dude, your team lost.

That is like your... opinion man. We will be back in 2 weeks =)

[Ungriim]

A fact (derived from the Latin factum, see below) is something that has really occurred or is actually the case. The usual test for a statement of fact is verifiability, that is whether it can be proven to correspond to experience.

Actually fact would be factus (declination -a -um)

[Nirgon]

ruining the server by monopolizing every mob.


The current "meta" of the raid scene is who has more well geared alts camped out at spawns, buffed and ready.

You might have missed that if you aren't participating in it.

I highly suspect they are trying to keep their advantage and this behavior would have continued in Velious. Decking out alts, having them ready to secure mobs.

Methinks all competing guilds are guilty of this, or trying to do so.

[Ungriim]

Fact or fiction GM's have a long history(its actually a Staff rule) of not sharing rulings with the general populace?

That wasn't my question.

[kbnexus]

That wasn't my question.

Your question implied that actions were different from the norm. My question indicates that is Standard Operation procedure.

Your question was intended to mislead. Mine spreads truth.

[Orruar]

So when I say I hope that I'm wrong. What does that mean?

Maybe I should be more optimistic about my own predictions and I'd be nicer?

I don't think I'm being mean about anything.

Sometimes the truth is ugly if you get my feels.

You keep suggesting a course of action for which you have said you believe it will fail. In general you have been very pessimistic about the future of the raiding game here. Any agreement between the various guilds on raid content will require less pessimism and "us vs them", and more optimism and camaraderie.

[Yinikren]

I do compete in the raid scene, and I do know that is it because of TMO that people are required to have accounts worth of alts to be able to raid.

I am thankful this is no longer the case, especially when TMO gets disbanded tonight.

[Xadion]

to anyone who thinks TMO is fully responsible for the 'shifted up' raid scene, or has not been aware of the 'interesting' raid scene history of this server really needs to bow out of commenting.

it is never one guild that does anything, if it was just TMO sitting there killing every raid mob with no outside interference etc there would be no 'csr issues' to deal with, or any other guild for that matter.

if there is 'competition' then there will be one trying to beat out (the) other(s)

if you take that away and give everything in a free rotation that's enforced by GM ruling, then you will destroy competition and the csr issues.

even with the fly by night raid rules posted, say ib fe ..or..are they one? Or not...anywho... Lets say they kill trak, and at next trak 3 guilds show up during the 2 hour window? Or is one guild going to stand there and say 'hey all XX number of you who are here, sorry your SOL we are letting the other guys have it... Show up next time!'

there will always be issues and questions and bending the rules.

[Ungriim]

Your question implied that actions were different from the norm. My question indicates that is Standard Operation procedure.

Your question was intended to mislead. Mine spreads truth.

No, your statement implied that events were different than actuality. My question is just a question.

Fact or Fiction Alarti? - Amelinda lifted a raid suspension ruling involving TMO and IB but only initially told TMO the ban was lifted?

[Nirgon]

You keep suggesting a course of action for which you have said you believe it will fail. In general you have been very pessimistic about the future of the raiding game here. Any agreement between the various guilds on raid content will require less pessimism and "us vs them", and more optimism and camaraderie.

Ok pal, enjoy Florida. You don't like that I have seen how players act on both sides or my opinion of it. I want it to work but predict that it won't. We can stop arguing.. you don't like my prediction. I have no problem with you personally.



I do compete in the raid scene, and I do know that is it because of TMO that people are required to have accounts worth of alts to be able to raid.

So TMO was the first raid guild here that always controlled everything and started this? I think otherwise. I think it natural progression given what it takes to get content for any player here. Not limited to any one guild, group or individual.


Just give it time, if I'm wrong about it you can tell me so and I will admit it.

[Orruar]

to anyone who thinks TMO is fully responsible for the 'shifted up' raid scene, or has not been aware of the 'interesting' raid scene history of this server really needs to bow out of commenting.

it is never one guild that does anything, if it was just TMO sitting there killing every raid mob with no outside interference etc there would be no 'csr issues' to deal with, or any other guild for that matter.

if there is 'competition' then there will be one trying to beat out (the) other(s)

if you take that away and give everything in a free rotation that's enforced by GM ruling, then you will destroy competition and the csr issues.

even with the fly by night raid rules posted, say ib fe ..or..are they one? Or not...anywho... Lets say they kill trak, and at next trak 3 guilds show up during the 2 hour window? Or is one guild going to stand there and say 'hey all XX number of you who are here, sorry your SOL we are letting the other guys have it... Show up next time!'

there will always be issues and questions and bending the rules.

tl;dr
People will always steal, so we shouldn't bother trying to lock up our houses or creating police/courts to deal with thieves.

[JayN]

TMO unstoppable regean cant even stop them

[kbnexus]

No, your statement implied that events were different than actuality. My question is just a question.

Fact or Fiction Alarti? - Amelinda lifted a raid suspension ruling involving TMO and IB but only initially told TMO the ban was lifted?

Fiction. The ban was lifted from TMO not IB.

[Xadion]

never said there should not be rules established and properly and evenly enforced. What I am saying is you cannot have competition with out struggle. If that struggle is something that causes to much csr time or is something people do not want...and it seems everyone here just wants to log on, sign up on the kill a dragon sheet and take their turn at hitting the loot pinata (and here I thought this was EQ not WoW server)

if that is the will of our leaders, then so be it.

and by leaders I mean 'this projects' leaders, I believe that is Nilbog and Rogean

[sedrie.bellamie]

until every account gets checked for duped items I can see why this is unfair

How many mobs did IB let other guilds have before leaving for EQmac?

Does everyone think that the same 20-40 people who show up for raids are the same 20-40 every time for the last 3 years? TMO, like the rest of p99, has a lot of players rotate in and out. When a new app applies, they need things like Trak BP, Trak Tooth, Sky items, Hate/Fear clears for armor. TMO brings in new people all the time because older players who have done everything moved on. TMO has probably 2-3 times the population that acutally shows up for any given raid.

If velious came out tomorrow, 1000+ players who have not played in years would come back for something new to do. What it seems like to me, is that the server staff just doesn't have the ability to police people 24/7. Add an increased population base and I can see why they do not want to release Velious.

[Orruar]

never said there should not be rules established and properly and evenly enforced. What I am saying is you cannot have competition with out struggle. If that struggle is something that causes to much csr time or is something people do not want...and it seems everyone here just wants to log on, sign up on the kill a dragon sheet and take their turn at hitting the loot pinata (and here I thought this was EQ not WoW server)

if that is the will of our leaders, then so be it.

If you think you can't have competition without calling in GMs to settle disputes, I would suggest you don't have a very good understanding of competition.

And it would appear to me that they made an arrangement that maintains some competition, while preventing any monopolization of spawns. Do try and keep up with current events in a thread called "recent events".

[arsenalpow]

to anyone who thinks TMO is fully responsible for the 'shifted up' raid scene, or has not been aware of the 'interesting' raid scene history of this server really needs to bow out of commenting.

it is never one guild that does anything, if it was just TMO sitting there killing every raid mob with no outside interference etc there would be no 'csr issues' to deal with, or any other guild for that matter.

if there is 'competition' then there will be one trying to beat out (the) other(s)

if you take that away and give everything in a free rotation that's enforced by GM ruling, then you will destroy competition and the csr issues.

even with the fly by night raid rules posted, say ib fe ..or..are they one? Or not...anywho... Lets say they kill trak, and at next trak 3 guilds show up during the 2 hour window? Or is one guild going to stand there and say 'hey all XX number of you who are here, sorry your SOL we are letting the other guys have it... Show up next time!'

there will always be issues and questions and bending the rules.

No Xadion, your guild is actually fully responsible for this. IB left the server and VD got absorbed by us. We became the defacto #2 guild which honestly wasn't where we wanted to be. There was a long period where we in BDA didn't really provide "competition" like you had been used to. The server was won at that point because we didn't really want to compete like you had been when every dirty trick in the book was necessary to gain an edge against IB/TR.

At that point TMO could have changed the raid scene entirely for the good of the server but instead it turned into a loot piñata greed spree. Now we're back to FE/IB and TMO using every bullshit trick in the book and no one wants to blink, there's no mutual disarmament, just mutual escalation of tactics. Now you are being forced to at least be civil with other raid guilds. Let's see if you can at least manage that after your vacation is over.

[sanforce]

I am thankful this is no longer the case, especially when TMO gets disbanded tonight.

TMO doesn't need green chat to raid together.

[Xadion]

If you think you can't have competition without calling in GMs to settle disputes, I would suggest you don't have a very good understanding of competition.

And it would appear to me that they made an arrangement that maintains some competition, while preventing any monopolization of spawns. Do try and keep up with current events in a thread called "recent events".

why are there refs in sports? Clearly they are paid professionals who know the entirety of the rules pertaining to their sport. To think there is ever going to be a rule set, or agreement that has no grey areas to bend, use or exploit you are wrong...shit look at the world goverments and corporations built upon using and growing from the grey while enforcing the black and white : also while convening the masses that it IS black and white.

the rules 'agreed' upon has a lot of grey, and while there may be black and white in there that makes you sheep think its good for you, if you for a second think that those in a more powerful position than you are going it for your own good and not for their own advancement, then you are just fooling yourself.

[sanforce]

Also, this "sit out next raid mob" approach that is being applied is really only a ploy by FE/IB to guarantee half of the raids mobs go to their guild when TMO comes back. They can't do it through competition, so they set these "good measures" into motion knowing that they would be the real benefactors after the 2 week suspension is lifted.

[Pheer]

TMO doesn't need green chat to raid together.

surely you arent implying the GMs would allow TMO to dodge a raid suspension just by dropping guild tag and calling themselves a "pickup raid" or some other bullshit

[Ungriim]

Why are there multiple teams in sports? Why not just have 1 team of 115 players which always makes it to the final game?

[sanforce]

surely you arent implying the GMs would allow TMO to dodge a raid suspension just by dropping guild tag and calling themselves a "pickup raid" or some other bullshit

lol, not at all. Everyone in the guild at the time of the suspension is not allowed in or near the raid mobs, regardless of their current tag (or lack there of).

[Xadion]

No Xadion, your guild is actually fully responsible for this. IB left the server and VD got absorbed by us. We became the defacto #2 guild which honestly wasn't where we wanted to be. There was a long period where we in BDA didn't really provide "competition" like you had been used to. The server was won at that point because we didn't really want to compete like you had been when every dirty trick in the book was necessary to gain an edge against IB/TR.

At that point TMO could have changed the raid scene entirely for the good of the server but instead it turned into a loot piñata greed spree. Now we're back to FE/IB and TMO using every bullshit trick in the book and no one wants to blink, there's no mutual disarmament, just mutual escalation of tactics. Now you are being forced to at least be civil with other raid guilds. Let's see if you can at least manage that after your vacation is over.

I honestly wonder what and where you people live in your happy little worlds? There is force X that is dominant and in controlling Y content, resources whatever... You want Y but do not want to meet or exceed the force to acquire it? Everyone states that if you have the force to kill a mob you should get a chance... I have the ability to drive a GT-R that does not mean the Nissan dealership is just going to up and give me one.

[Nuggie]

Was your guild raid suspended? Derp

My memory is only so good. I don't recall any guilds getting suspended for the 365 round. Maybe I'm wrong.

Also, alarti. I thought you were banned. Why you come creeping back when they kick you out?

[Vaildez]

I honestly wonder what and where you people live in your happy little worlds? There is force X that is dominant and in controlling Y content, resources whatever... You want Y but do not want to meet or exceed the force to acquire it? Everyone states that if you have the force to kill a mob you should get a chance... I have the ability to drive a GT-R that does not mean the Nissan dealership is just going to up and give me one.

How many other guilds have bought hundreds of accounts that they can just park on a mob spawn? Who knows how much of that was bought with legit plat....

[Orruar]

I honestly wonder what and where you people live in your happy little worlds? There is force X that is dominant and in controlling Y content, resources whatever... You want Y but do not want to meet or exceed the force to acquire it? Everyone states that if you have the force to kill a mob you should get a chance... I have the ability to drive a GT-R that does not mean the Nissan dealership is just going to up and give me one.

So in this analogy, TMO is the Nissan dealership?

You must be a lot of fun to hang out with.

[Rail]

Too funny, everyone seems to assume that button mashing on a computer makes them a super hero irl. Like it takes so much skill to raid any content...

Sorry, the game is made to be beat. You are nothing special. Monopolizing content takes dedication, not skill. You are dedicated, that is for sure.

But at what point are you playing this game just to disrupt other peoples enjoyment?
This is not a first person shooter game, you don't need to make strategy adjustments to encounters. There is no advanced AI...

This is not a matter of competition for resources that needs "X force" to concur.
Every guild has enough force to kill these pixels, the strategies are posted all over... there is no surprises here.

[Nuggie]

Sen, long time no see. Good to see you.

Back when IB was in the top spot, I recall DA/VD were competing just fine. Without logging at mobs fully buffed. I also recall TMO getting mobs. There was a good amount of loot going each way.

Then a gm with obvious conflicts of interests ran IB off. DA went with TMO and game over. The raid scene has been fairly one sided ever since.

I also recall TMO immediately turning the spin/flame monster onto BDA after VD folded. Without provocation.

To the TMO people. Wouldn't you enjoy "the race" if you were competing against 4 other equally capable guilds?

[Triangle]

How is that entitled? There are rules for how things operate generally that's how the p99 community has historically worked. You just want TMO disbanded on this server, which is all fine and dandy I'm just curious how deep this went and the details on who was actually breaking the rules. And such a thing may or may not happen given the extent of what transpired.

There are general rules yes. But sometimes exceptions need to be made when such vile acts are committed. You forget that precedent only deals with like cases and this is the first of its kind.
Nilbogf and rog have the option to ban al of you permAnently for shitting up the server and you should hank them for not doing so. Remember you have shat u the place for the past two years so your word is about as good as Bernie madoffs at this point.

You took risks in sharing your accounts with strangers as do I. However when I logged in last night to check if he was banned I was not thinking of how I would blame the gms if he was but how pissed I would be at the person I trusts and at myself for trusting him. In short accept some fucking responsibility

[Raavak]

Back when IB was in the top spot, I recall DA/VD were competing just fine. Without logging at mobs fully buffed. I also recall TMO getting mobs. There was a good amount of loot going each way.The raid scene was terribly one sided until DA came around, and they had to crawl and scratch their way into the raid scene... It wasn't pretty, but through a lot of hard work they succeeded. Go back and read these forums from then, I think you are forgetting. Things were nasty, nasty, nasty. They are pretty civil now in comparison.

And before Kunark there was basically two raid guilds: IB and DA. There were also 5 targets. Think about that. Compare that to now. It makes sense why things were so horrible when you think about it. I think time has softened the lenses on our past history here.

Btw, it wasn't until a year later that VD competed, when IB needed their bodies for joint raids. And then VD/BDA teamed for a bit... I don't think VD was ever a raid force on its own, other than for planar clears (and yes VD and DA teamed, but that was to clear PoSky pre-Kunark, which wasn't "competitive" in the same sense).

[Splorf22]

but how pissed I would be at the person I trusts and at myself for trusting him. In short accept some fucking responsibility

Before I leave the server, I am totally surnaming your monk Rover Balls'on'Fire

[Erasong]

Having known a lot of the Fennin ro TMO people for years I can honestly say I dont think they had any proof of wrongdoing. It might have been suspected ( read that.. MIGHT, MAYBE ) but the fact is you dont punish people for something they MIGHT be doing.

Having been an older member of IB for a year or so up until the beginning of TMO appearing on p99 I can also say with certainty the raid scene was fucked and rumors of corruption and mass RMT'ing by top end guilds was here LONG before they arrived.
Thinking this might somehow change with TMO being suspended and all of a sudden IB white knighting for the server is flawed unless you are banking on somehow a certain level of humility being instill with the 3 years of TMO getting the lions share of the kills.


Lastly, TMO, I love you guys and I love my IB ex guildies as well. What would be best, and I said it back then before I was semi ran off of the server for being somewhat of a yes man in order to make it happen, but a peaceful co-existance is whats best for this server and a rotation with some competative aspects in place I think is the way to do it.

You guys all love EQ or you wouldnt be here. You have at least this in common if nothing else. Time to man up and recognize the behavior exhibited by both sides is not only self destructive, but juvenile and work together for the love of the game.

[kbnexus]

My memory is only so good. I don't recall any guilds getting suspended for the 365 round. Maybe I'm wrong.

Also, alarti. I thought you were banned. Why you come creeping back when they kick you out?

Forum suspended. Never in game.

[kbnexus]

Sen, long time no see. Good to see you.

Back when IB was in the top spot, I recall DA/VD were competing just fine. Without logging at mobs fully buffed. I also recall TMO getting mobs. There was a good amount of loot going each way.

Then a gm with obvious conflicts of interests ran IB off. DA went with TMO and game over. The raid scene has been fairly one sided ever since.

I also recall TMO immediately turning the spin/flame monster onto BDA after VD folded. Without provocation.

To the TMO people. Wouldn't you enjoy "the race" if you were competing against 4 other equally capable guilds?

We would enjoy the race. BDA was flamed because they absorbed IB/VD leftovers who were using a known Memblur exploit in VP.

[Origin]

Someone is forgetting what the server was like when IB was the top dog. Hint: the situation was the same, the characters and guildtags were just different.

nah it wasn't.

we cleared kunark before you. we beat all the shit and everyone left. IB today is not IB/TR when kunark was released or classic.

we didn't sit around for 2 years hogging VP from everyone else. We beat that shit and moved on. Seeing all the TMO alts lot on last night with best in slot kinda made me sick. IB never had that, neither did TR.

in b4 we beat vp b4 u. nah u didn't Rogean made us give you those first kills, remember? You probably wern't there.

Just quoting my bro Sodapop's response to Rakpartha, from another thread.

Too much truth.

[YendorLootmonkey]

We would enjoy the race. BDA was flamed because they absorbed IB/VD leftovers who were using a known Memblur exploit in VP.

Alarti likes to leave out where a TMO member "acting on his own, much like Froovy/Internode, because plausible deniability" memblurred Talendor on VD first. The memblurring in VP was just giving TMO a taste of their own medicine, which of course they cried about.

[dwightgeary]

Alarti likes to leave out where a TMO member "acting on his own, much like Froovy/Internode, because plausible deniability" memblurred Talendor on VD first. The memblurring in VP was just giving TMO a taste of their own medicine, which of course they cried about.

yea they were more pist off that they got out memblured

[kbnexus]

Alarti likes to leave out where a TMO member "acting on his own, much like Froovy/Internode, because plausible deniability" memblurred Talendor on VD first. The memblurring in VP was just giving TMO a taste of their own medicine, which of course they cried about.

Yendor likes to leave out, that no one knew that Memblur caused the dragon to regen to 100% instantly. That was the exploit.
Not to mention that Enchanter was removed from guild. VD however used a known exploit. TMO reported the bug once we found out :)

You have a hard time being objective it seems.

[Nuggie]

yea they were more pist off that they got out memblured

That's how my 7 year old spelled pissed on his homework last week. Glad I checked it before he turned it in. Damn those rhyming homeworks, and my bad mouth around him.

[dwightgeary]

That's how my 7 year old spelled pissed on his homework last week. Glad I checked it before he turned it in. Damn those rhyming homeworks, and my bad mouth around him.

fuck yea

[Nuggie]

Yendor likes to leave out, that no one knew that Memblur caused the dragon to regen to 100% instantly. That was the exploit.
Not to mention that Enchanter was removed from guild. VD however used a known exploit. TMO reported the bug once we found out :)

You have a hard time being objective it seems.

That's what you claim. I claim he knew about it before hand.

No telling who is right anymore.

So let's talk more about this friendly competition for the future.

[Autotune]

Yendor likes to leave out, that no one knew that Memblur caused the dragon to regen to 100% instantly. That was the exploit.
Not to mention that Enchanter was removed from guild. VD however used a known exploit. TMO reported the bug once we found out :)

You have a hard time being objective it seems.

The enchanter left on his own and quite a long time after he memblur'd talendor.

IB knew back when they memblur'd their own fay before anyone else.

Also, the enchanter didn't know at the time, he was going for a KS.

[dwightgeary]

1. Pist
The present form of pissed, in the state of being severely mad, or angry.
Gah, I am so pist at my girlfriend right now! She's being a total cuntlip right now!

[dwightgeary]

my bad lol

[Ungriim]

We all knew damn well that memblurring a dragon regen'd its health. The GMs literally posted/broadcasted that it was being implemented so that guilds couldnt snag a dragon at 20% after the first team wiped.

[Autotune]

We all knew damn well that memblurring a dragon regen'd its health. The GMs literally posted/broadcasted that it was being implemented so that guilds couldnt snag a dragon at 20% after the first team wiped.

Uthgaard posted after the fact that is why it was done, but I never remember them posting prior.

[Nuggie]

I don't think VD was ever a raid force on its own

Much to the ire of Teeroy and Sen, I'm sure, they had too many members like me who couldnt/wouldnt put in the necessary time to make their raiding dreams some true. ;)

[Fazlazen]

Uthgaard posted after the fact that is why it was done, but I never remember them posting prior.

yeah, plan was for Quados to memblur at 1% with a timed Moondogg(me) nuke so we'd get the xp. We had no idea it would regen to 100%. Hilarity ensued.

[Kagatob]

How long have you been on this server?

Is anything going to be done about Alarti openly ban-evading? What the hell people?

[Nuggie]

This turned from a "oh, poor us"

To a finger pointing flame war of the minds, that I'm surprised didn't end up in RnF as per the usual.

To a warm reminiscing about the good old days.

Whatever happens from here I hope things get better.

And posting from my phone sucks.

[kbnexus]

The enchanter left on his own and quite a long time after he memblur'd talendor.

IB knew back when they memblur'd their own fay before anyone else.

Also, the enchanter didn't know at the time, he was going for a KS.

Yes its still not a good action. But the action wasnt intended as an exploit.

[Nirgon]

I'm surprised didn't end up in RnF as per the usual.


Emperor Rogean is letting this play out methinks, kind of like the systolic thing.

Plus? It hasn't really gotten too horrible. Yet.

[Ungriim]

Is anything going to be done about Alarti openly ban-evading? What the hell people?

When you play a class that literally does nothing on raids but push 1 button its hard to get caught playing around with game mechanics versus someone who plays a puller, kiter, etc

[Kagatob]

When you play a class that literally does nothing on raids but push 1 button its hard to get caught playing around with game mechanics versus someone who plays a puller, kiter, etc

I'm talking about his forumban.

[Ungriim]

oh i see

[Nirgon]

When you play a class that literally does nothing on raids but push 1 button its hard to get caught playing around with game mechanics versus someone who plays a puller, kiter, etc

When and how fast you push said button separates the men from the boys.

Also, concussion.

[Ravager]

Yes its still not a good action. But the action wasnt intended as an exploit.

They were using game mechanics in an unintended way to get an edge and steal the kill. Sounds like a textbook example of an exploit.

[Fazlazen]

They were using game mechanics in an unintended way to get an edge and steal the kill. Sounds like a textbook example of an exploit.

because the pull was derailed from our pullers tho...

[Argh]

All i could think of reading this thread:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkvAKfCNnUw

[Lune]

I honestly wonder what and where you people live in your happy little worlds? There is force X that is dominant and in controlling Y content, resources whatever... You want Y but do not want to meet or exceed the force to acquire it? Everyone states that if you have the force to kill a mob you should get a chance... I have the ability to drive a GT-R that does not mean the Nissan dealership is just going to up and give me one.

This would be wise were it not for the fact that it has nothing to do with force, and everything to do with dedication, ie, logging on at a moments notice, camping out level 60's, and taking offhour batphones.

These mobs are not difficult. Many guilds are capable of taking out any or all of them. Not many guilds are willing to participate in the raid scene that you, and others, have created.

[Senaiel]

VD did raid solo competively pre IB alliance, server repops we would get 3 to 4 targets and a couple others each repop cycle (inny/fay/gore/talendor). However, we raided on our own more competitively post IB. We had 3 solo trak kills consecutively at one point and tried to work out a trak rotation but no dice. Then tmo got too personal by infiltrating VD and posting colds picture in rnf and no one else wanted to take over.

[runlvlzero]

Recent Exploit

Recently, I found out via Rogean's inflammatory post that 2-3 TMO members who had access to a large number of TMO accounts used some sort of item dupe at some point in time on their own characters. Froovy and Internode are two that I have heard of so far (unfortunately members trusted them with access to many accounts, including one of my alt cleric accounts), I have not heard any other evidence implicating any other TMO members. Almost all banned accounts have nothing to do with any exploit. I am sure they will enjoy their no-eq christmas holidays thanks to Rogean's new hardline approach, banning unrelated parties.




In the past, we have dealt with things legitimately. We respect GMs and speak with you through the petition forums and proper channels. I am unsure why you are attacking TMO publicly rather than coming to the leadership and trying to get to the bottom of it. I would obviously assist you any way I can & remove any parties you informed me as cheaters. Banning 80+ unrelated parties seems like a personal vendetta more than anything. Especially when you do it while calling out the guild name, saying we were lucky to not been disbanded. TMO has been playing here since when the server pop was in the low 100s. We have been helping with promoting & classicizing the server for years; perhaps we have dominated the raid scene, but we have contributed as much as we can to bug reports and making this server the classic experience Nilbog envisions.

Real Money Trading



As far as I am aware, 1 ex-TMO named Crazyeyes the King of Thieves was caught for this recently. Totally caught us off guard, there's always been people who quit EQ and cash out, how can you hold a guild accountable for that - One individual member who bails.

Why were no other guilds who had RMTers in it called out to the server? Once again seems like a targeted attack.

Raid Scene



In the past, wizard epic first had been ninja looted off of CT by an officer of a rival guild and nothing was done except a personal suspension. A VP ninja loot of an exe blade off silverwing also occurred in the past with a 1 wk personal suspension. The public announcement of disciplinary action against TMO and the actions of our crazy french Canadian SK(Who has already been suspended for weeks for the infraction - & has a 2month suspension), should have no connection if you wish to be consistent.




If you wanted TMO to change our raid scene approach, you could have asked and we would have been open to any ideas. It seems more like you just want TMO to disband or be severely hurt. This has only been an issue since the return of the players who left for EQ mac. I hope we can resolve this and you will remove the post attacking TMO for a few individuals actions.




Thanks

TLDR,

But many paragraphs == UMAD

[Rangerboy]

listen peeps, the rules are simple and before you created an p99 account you were suppose to read the rules. If you break them then you get punished, plain and simple. I agree with Rogean and the other GMs on their decisions along with the majority of other players. I dont understand why people think Rogean is out to get them, he is just enforcing the rules. Not sure why Zeelot would post anything accusing Rogean of false accusations when really he should be looking at his own guild for breaking the rules.

[pharmakos]

when really he should be looking at his own guild for breaking the rules.

[Millburn]

45 pages and still no apology, wonder if it's ever gonna happen.

[Rourk]

I honestly wonder what and where you people live in your happy little worlds? There is force X that is dominant and in controlling Y content, resources whatever... You want Y but do not want to meet or exceed the force to acquire it? Everyone states that if you have the force to kill a mob you should get a chance... I have the ability to drive a GT-R that does not mean the Nissan dealership is just going to up and give me one.


What a warped analogy. Don't forget to include in this example that force X cheats.

[jaybone]

Recent Exploit

Recently, I found out via Rogean's inflammatory post that 2-3 TMO members who had access to a large number of TMO accounts used some sort of item dupe at some point in time on their own characters. Froovy and Internode are two that I have heard of so far (unfortunately members trusted them with access to many accounts, including one of my alt cleric accounts), I have not heard any other evidence implicating any other TMO members. Almost all banned accounts have nothing to do with any exploit. I am sure they will enjoy their no-eq christmas holidays thanks to Rogean's new hardline approach, banning unrelated parties.




In the past, we have dealt with things legitimately. We respect GMs and speak with you through the petition forums and proper channels. I am unsure why you are attacking TMO publicly rather than coming to the leadership and trying to get to the bottom of it. I would obviously assist you any way I can & remove any parties you informed me as cheaters. Banning 80+ unrelated parties seems like a personal vendetta more than anything. Especially when you do it while calling out the guild name, saying we were lucky to not been disbanded. TMO has been playing here since when the server pop was in the low 100s. We have been helping with promoting & classicizing the server for years; perhaps we have dominated the raid scene, but we have contributed as much as we can to bug reports and making this server the classic experience Nilbog envisions.

Real Money Trading



As far as I am aware, 1 ex-TMO named Crazyeyes the King of Thieves was caught for this recently. Totally caught us off guard, there's always been people who quit EQ and cash out, how can you hold a guild accountable for that - One individual member who bails.

Why were no other guilds who had RMTers in it called out to the server? Once again seems like a targeted attack.

Raid Scene



In the past, wizard epic first had been ninja looted off of CT by an officer of a rival guild and nothing was done except a personal suspension. A VP ninja loot of an exe blade off silverwing also occurred in the past with a 1 wk personal suspension. The public announcement of disciplinary action against TMO and the actions of our crazy french Canadian SK(Who has already been suspended for weeks for the infraction - & has a 2month suspension), should have no connection if you wish to be consistent.




If you wanted TMO to change our raid scene approach, you could have asked and we would have been open to any ideas. It seems more like you just want TMO to disband or be severely hurt. This has only been an issue since the return of the players who left for EQ mac. I hope we can resolve this and you will remove the post attacking TMO for a few individuals actions.




Thanks

why are you such a fucking baby?

[Nuggie]

listen peeps, the rules are simple and before you created an p99 account you were suppose to read the rules. If you break them then you get punished, plain and simple. I agree with Rogean and the other GMs on their decisions along with the majority of other players. I dont understand why people think Rogean is out to get them, he is just enforcing the rules. Not sure why Zeelot would post anything accusing Rogean of false accusations when really he should be looking at his own guild for breaking the rules.

Meet our old friend the TMO-spin-machine. It doesn't have to make sense. It just has to be an interesting read.

[Itap]

Need a written and notarized apology from Zee

[cyryllis]

.
In regards to people thinking any money was used to "fund an army of characters used to dominate the raid scene
probably zero. we can see when it was first abused, how many times it was abused, etc. and it started after account selling/trading was made against the rules.



yes, every option was considered. and if the core/leadership/officers/raidleader types were involved, or, if they were aware of it, we would have disbanded the guild. however based on the information we have, we do not believe that to be the case, and we did not think it would be suitable to disband a guild based on those terms.

[jaybone]

So staff can manage to track dupes and everything else but cant manage to shutdown platlord after how many years???

lol

[YendorLootmonkey]

Yendor likes to leave out, that no one knew that Memblur caused the dragon to regen to 100% instantly. That was the exploit.
Not to mention that Enchanter was removed from guild. VD however used a known exploit. TMO reported the bug once we found out :)

You have a hard time being objective it seems.

The enchanter left on his own and quite a long time after he memblur'd talendor.

IB knew back when they memblur'd their own fay before anyone else.

Also, the enchanter didn't know at the time, he was going for a KS.

Alarti, I have never interacted with someone before that had less credibility than you. I cannot fathom how much dirt you must have on the internal workings and past shady/illicit activities of TMO and its upper echelon that its actually less trouble for them to have you continuously ruin their credibility and reputation instead of dumping you from their guild where you stand and sever all ties with your toxic personality and chronic lying.

[kbnexus]

why are you such a fucking baby?

Alarti, I have never interacted with someone before that had less credibility than you. I cannot fathom how much dirt you must have on the internal workings and past shady/illicit activities of TMO and its upper echelon that its actually less trouble for them to have you continuously ruin their credibility and reputation instead of dumping you from their guild where you stand and sever all ties with your toxic personality and chronic lying.

LOL... umm prove it? You are just batshit crazy. You believe whatever you want.

[Bruman]

-Gets a suspension from the forums
-Posts on alt account instead

PROJECT 1999

[Langrisserx]

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[Daldolma]

honestly forget the duping/exploiting/cheating/monopolizing content, the fact that tmo allows alarti to keep posting is a good enough reason to disband their guild

[Bruman]

I love the rustles meme making it's way here (I only knew it from RR.org) :3

[pharmakos]

So staff can manage to track dupes and everything else but cant manage to shutdown platlord after how many years???

lol

yeah, thats what i was thinking...

[Swish]

Meet our old friend the TMO-spin-machine. It doesn't have to make sense. It just has to be an interesting read.

lol'd

[kbnexus]

Eccezan 2

Rellapse 36 inc

[Langrisserx]

http://i.imgur.com/qUyjLRi.gifhttp://i.imgur.com/qUyjLRi.gifhttp://i.imgur.com/qUyjLRi.gifhttp://i.imgur.com/qUyjLRi.gifhttp://i.imgur.com/qUyjLRi.gifhttp://i.imgur.com/qUyjLRi.gifhttp://i.imgur.com/qUyjLRi.gifhttp://i.imgur.com/qUyjLRi.gifhttp://i.imgur.com/qUyjLRi.gifhttp://i.imgur.com/qUyjLRi.gif

[Bruman]

http://i.imgur.com/vsYPVzi.gif

[Nagash]

Recent Exploit

Recently, I found out via Rogean's inflammatory post that 2-3 TMO members who had access to a large number of TMO accounts used some sort of item dupe at some point in time on their own characters. Froovy and Internode are two that I have heard of so far (unfortunately members trusted them with access to many accounts, including one of my alt cleric accounts), I have not heard any other evidence implicating any other TMO members. Almost all banned accounts have nothing to do with any exploit. I am sure they will enjoy their no-eq christmas holidays thanks to Rogean's new hardline approach, banning unrelated parties.




In the past, we have dealt with things legitimately. We respect GMs and speak with you through the petition forums and proper channels. I am unsure why you are attacking TMO publicly rather than coming to the leadership and trying to get to the bottom of it. I would obviously assist you any way I can & remove any parties you informed me as cheaters. Banning 80+ unrelated parties seems like a personal vendetta more than anything. Especially when you do it while calling out the guild name, saying we were lucky to not been disbanded. TMO has been playing here since when the server pop was in the low 100s. We have been helping with promoting & classicizing the server for years; perhaps we have dominated the raid scene, but we have contributed as much as we can to bug reports and making this server the classic experience Nilbog envisions.

Real Money Trading



As far as I am aware, 1 ex-TMO named Crazyeyes the King of Thieves was caught for this recently. Totally caught us off guard, there's always been people who quit EQ and cash out, how can you hold a guild accountable for that - One individual member who bails.

Why were no other guilds who had RMTers in it called out to the server? Once again seems like a targeted attack.

Raid Scene



In the past, wizard epic first had been ninja looted off of CT by an officer of a rival guild and nothing was done except a personal suspension. A VP ninja loot of an exe blade off silverwing also occurred in the past with a 1 wk personal suspension. The public announcement of disciplinary action against TMO and the actions of our crazy french Canadian SK(Who has already been suspended for weeks for the infraction - & has a 2month suspension), should have no connection if you wish to be consistent.




If you wanted TMO to change our raid scene approach, you could have asked and we would have been open to any ideas. It seems more like you just want TMO to disband or be severely hurt. This has only been an issue since the return of the players who left for EQ mac. I hope we can resolve this and you will remove the post attacking TMO for a few individuals actions.




Thanks

If I understand correctly, no one among the people who gave their account credentials details knew about it. Really?

Regarding the raid scene, it's not enough having had the whole server asking to play nice for 2 years? The request had to come from the GMs to be valid?

Deal with it.

[Millburn]

Page 47 update

still no apology from TMO

[Swish]

45 pages and still no apology, wonder if it's ever gonna happen.

48

[Bruman]

Page 24, real men use highest posts-per-page setting.

[Rellapse36]

6 posts per page are for the real men

[YendorLootmonkey]

LOL... umm prove it? You are just batshit crazy. You believe whatever you want.

Just posted contradicting stories between you and Autotune about the fate of Qados, the TMO Pioneer of Memblurring Raid Mobs. What is there to prove? One of you is flat out lying. Given your reputation, my money's on you, bro.

Or is your next move to deflect and point out how BDA/VD had more bans for SEQ than TMO did?

Remember this gem?

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/9276/lolyhack.jpg

You are a piece of work. TMO could go a long way towards improving their rep by guildremoving your ass for good.

[Rellapse36]

ouch

Yendor for president

[Lojik]

Ohhh that's the guy people thought I was.

[Fazlazen]

Just posted contradicting stories between you and Autotune about the fate of Qados, the TMO Pioneer of Memblurring Raid Mobs. What is there to prove? One of you is flat out lying. Given your reputation, my money's on you, bro.

Or is your next move to deflect and point out how BDA/VD had more bans for SEQ than TMO did?

Remember this gem?

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/9276/lolyhack.jpg

You are a piece of work. TMO could go a long way towards improving their rep by guildremoving your ass for good.

You call yourself genuine, yet you post that kind of crap...

[kbnexus]

Just posted contradicting stories between you and Autotune about the fate of Qados, the TMO Pioneer of Memblurring Raid Mobs. What is there to prove? One of you is flat out lying. Given your reputation, my money's on you, bro.

Or is your next move to deflect and point out how BDA/VD had more bans for SEQ than TMO did?

Remember this gem?

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/9276/lolyhack.jpg

You are a piece of work. TMO could go a long way towards improving their rep by guildremoving your ass for good.



Haha you can see the very obvious photoshop there.

[Yinikren]

Yendor's Truth scores a critical hit!(2532)

[YendorLootmonkey]

Haha you can see the very obvious photoshop there.

Come on, just own it. Own the plat duping. Own the lying. You have nothing left to lose here. Maybe Autotune can shed some light on it. I found it in an old thread from 2011 with a little bit of Google Fu.

[Adnan]

ROFL GG TMO

[arsenalpow]

America loves a comeback TMO, just admit your sins.

[Rellapse36]

Deny Deny Deny the Tmo way

and then petition

[Swifty]

Article 11, paragraph 2 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights provides that no person be held guilty of any criminal law that did not exist at the time of offence nor suffer any penalty heavier than what existed at the time of offence. It does however permit application of either domestic or international law

[kbnexus]

Come on, just own it. Own the plat duping. Own the lying. You have nothing left to lose here. Maybe Autotune can shed some light on it. I found it in an old thread from 2011 with a little bit of Google Fu.

Own your photoshop.

[Ravager]

Own your photoshop.

Prove it.

[Millburn]

Page 49 Update

Still no apology from TMO

[Swifty]

Page 49 Update

Still no apology from TMO

The collective should not be held accountable for the individual.

[Millburn]

The collective should not be held accountable for the individual.

Page 49 Update

Still no apology from anybody in TMO

[YendorLootmonkey]

Own your photoshop.

Was posted in this thread:

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=380130&postcount=131

I see the date discrepancy though. I got trolled from 2 years ago!

[Frieza_Prexus]

Was posted in this thread:

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=380130&postcount=131

I'm pretty confident it's a shop.

[radditsu]

I'm pretty confident it's a shop.

Have you seen a lot of photoshops in your time?

[Frieza_Prexus]

Have you seen a lot of photoshops in your time?

I can tell by the pixels.

[Nuggie]

It looks a lot like the one we seen from way back. If it's not original it's not far off.

One of the hardest lessons to learn on the way to adulthood is owning your screw-ups. One of the easier lessons is learning from them and moving on.

Show some class.

Own it and grow up a bit.

[YendorLootmonkey]

I'm pretty confident it's a shop.

It is, whoever made it fucked up the date/day of the week. Sorry for being a douche and not factchecking my supposed smoking gun evidence. :)

[Autotune]

Come on, just own it. Own the plat duping. Own the lying. You have nothing left to lose here. Maybe Autotune can shed some light on it. I found it in an old thread from 2011 with a little bit of Google Fu.

loly did post something about the dll on TMO forums and it was also talked about on the tech forums on here by a few people who already guessed what it was (it was here that i seen it first).

However, he didn't post something so incriminating lol. He did say that if people were using it that they needed to stop and that they would be caught if they didn't.

I think it's pretty evident that if someone is going to use something they aren't going to go around flaunting it here. Everyone from pretty much every guild can relate to that considering the first huge round of bans/suspensions.

also, Qados got banned and had to make Qadosx which was in TMO, so I think it's pretty obvious he wasn't removed by TMO. It's not like I told some great secret about that. He also wasn't the forefather of memblur fucking raid targets, i already stated it was meant to be a KS (faz backed me up) and that it went hilariously wrong. The ones who took it to an extreme and pioneered it as a raid tactic was VD/IB.

Hell, VD had one of their own do it against their own guild knowing full well what it would do.

[Lisset]

Legacy of Steel was definitely the most classy uberguild, They would always give others a shot a mobs if another guild was there first. Assuming you had the raid force there ready to take it and didnt have to wait hours for people to show up you still had a shot to kill things on Nameless.


Silent Redemption on Brell were awesome too. I honestly don't recall anyone griping about them and we even had an off-Sony rants board. For the TMO d-bags to insinuate that this is just how endgame competition works is simply untrue.

[Cookiefist]

Even if TMO does apologize. Will anyone here accept or believe said apology? Nope...

[YendorLootmonkey]

He also wasn't the forefather of memblur fucking raid targets, i already stated it was meant to be a KS (faz backed me up) and that it went hilariously wrong. The ones who took it to an extreme and pioneered it as a raid tactic was VD/IB.

So you're saying you think VD would have done it to TMO to mess with them in VP if TMO had never done it to them first on Talendor?

[Autotune]

So you're saying you think VD would have done it to TMO to mess with them in VP if TMO had never done it to them first on Talendor?

So you're saying because TMO exposed a game mechanic that was unknown to a vast majority at the time that it was okay for VD to use it in VP repeatedly?

The difference is Qados didn't intend for the raid target to fully heal and VD knew/intended to use it as such.

Don't blame TMO for your guilds abuse of a faulty game mechanic, you're acting just as bad as Alarti.

[Rellapse36]

ruining my forumquest immersion with old drama plz stop

[radditsu]

http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/thumbs_up_matt_leblanc.gifI can tell by the pixels.

[Autotune]

ruining my forumquest immersion with old drama plz stop

choose one of the other 500 threads imo. should help save a few f5 keys

[Rellapse36]

no thx

[Autotune]

no thx

then i'm sorry brother.

[Smedy]

51 pages of bluebie, summary of juicy stuff please, can tmo come to red99 and join the fight vs the zerg?

[BillyCranston]

Recent Exploit

Recently, I found out via Rogean's inflammatory post that 2-3 TMO members who had access to a large number of TMO accounts used some sort of item dupe at some point in time on their own characters. Froovy and Internode are two that I have heard of so far (unfortunately members trusted them with access to many accounts, including one of my alt cleric accounts), I have not heard any other evidence implicating any other TMO members. Almost all banned accounts have nothing to do with any exploit. I am sure they will enjoy their no-eq christmas holidays thanks to Rogean's new hardline approach, banning unrelated parties.




In the past, we have dealt with things legitimately. We respect GMs and speak with you through the petition forums and proper channels. I am unsure why you are attacking TMO publicly rather than coming to the leadership and trying to get to the bottom of it. I would obviously assist you any way I can & remove any parties you informed me as cheaters. Banning 80+ unrelated parties seems like a personal vendetta more than anything. Especially when you do it while calling out the guild name, saying we were lucky to not been disbanded. TMO has been playing here since when the server pop was in the low 100s. We have been helping with promoting & classicizing the server for years; perhaps we have dominated the raid scene, but we have contributed as much as we can to bug reports and making this server the classic experience Nilbog envisions.

Real Money Trading



As far as I am aware, 1 ex-TMO named Crazyeyes the King of Thieves was caught for this recently. Totally caught us off guard, there's always been people who quit EQ and cash out, how can you hold a guild accountable for that - One individual member who bails.

Why were no other guilds who had RMTers in it called out to the server? Once again seems like a targeted attack.

Raid Scene



In the past, wizard epic first had been ninja looted off of CT by an officer of a rival guild and nothing was done except a personal suspension. A VP ninja loot of an exe blade off silverwing also occurred in the past with a 1 wk personal suspension. The public announcement of disciplinary action against TMO and the actions of our crazy french Canadian SK(Who has already been suspended for weeks for the infraction - & has a 2month suspension), should have no connection if you wish to be consistent.




If you wanted TMO to change our raid scene approach, you could have asked and we would have been open to any ideas. It seems more like you just want TMO to disband or be severely hurt. This has only been an issue since the return of the players who left for EQ mac. I hope we can resolve this and you will remove the post attacking TMO for a few individuals actions.




Thanks

You harbored and promoted this behavior by harboring those who acted that way. This is like trying to say that the government had no idea that the healthcare website wouldn't be absolutely perfect the first day.

You're a piece of shit, your entire guild is, no one cares about your tears of exploiting, get the fuck out.

[Andervin]

51 pages of bluebie, summary of juicy stuff please, can tmo come to red99 and join the fight vs the zerg?

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[Autotune]

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It would happen if rogean stated that the only way any of the accounts would be unbanned is if they moved to Red99.

Save for the exploiters.

[BillyCranston]

Yeah that makes perfect sense. Let's take all the redheaded stepchildren from blue that throw fits and ruin the server, and move them all over to the other server, so they can start shitting on that server also.


If they want to play on red, let them level a character there. They don't deserve the levels, no-drop gear, relics, or anything else to do with characters that have received punishment this go around.

[Utmost]

I realize there have been punishments handed out, but with I Am Britney Jean (http://http://www.eonline.com/news/491813/26-signs-you-re-a-britney-spears-superfan) premiering tomorrow night, isn't a 2 week break sort of a reward?

[Kagatob]

Yeah that makes perfect sense. Let's take all the redheaded stepchildren from blue that throw fits and ruin the server, and move them all over to the other server, so they can start shitting on that server also.


If they want to play on red, let them level a character there. They don't deserve the levels, no-drop gear, relics, or anything else to do with characters that have received punishment this go around.

Red99 is the redheaded stepchild of P99.

[Messianic]

I realize there have been punishments handed out, but with I Am Britney Jean (http://http://www.eonline.com/news/491813/26-signs-you-re-a-britney-spears-superfan) premiering tomorrow night, isn't a 2 week break sort of a reward?

Well played.

[Millburn]

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Still no apology from anyone in TMO

[BillyCranston]

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Still no apology from anyone in TMO

None of them give a fuck, none of them were probably ever actually raised by their parents to know right from wrong or when someone's actually entitled to something. Look at Zeedouche's post, everyone from TMO thinks no harm was done, no fouls committed, "why are we being persecuted?!!!!" Alarti peddles manure to horse farmers just as much as Fox News does, but at least he has the decency to get the fuck out and not be spam replying to all of these threads, he knows the jig is up.

It's about god damn time something happened to these assholes. It's a thirteen year old game, that NO ONE should EVER have to bat phone, to have a chance at A) ever seeing any given raid mob or B) ever trying to get loot from said raid mob.

I'm not saying loot needs to be handed out, or mobs need to be up 24/7; but one should hopefully be able to create some in-between, where at least people who have killed a mob in any given amount of time, aren't able to do anything but take damage and die from the given mob. People cockblocking others for pixels that have existed for over a decade is ridiculous. The length this kind of behavior has been allowed to go on and flourish is just as bad, at least something's been done about it now.

[Atmas]

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Still no apology from anyone in TMO

Why should you expect to see one? 2 individuals did something wrong. I've played on this server 3 years and never Duped, never MQed, never RMTed. None of my characters got banned, but I am under a raid suspension, what the hell should I apologize for?

[Atmas]

You harbored and promoted this behavior by harboring those who acted that way. This is like trying to say that the government had no idea that the healthcare website wouldn't be absolutely perfect the first day.

You're a piece of shit, your entire guild is, no one cares about your tears of exploiting, get the fuck out.

Calling someone a piece of shit because someone they know did something in a video game is monstrously pathetic. Also thinking that anyone should have control over everything anyone else does in a video game is border line retarded. Your comparison is just too stupid to even dignify with a response.

[Yinikren]

Guilty by association, that is all.

[Atmas]

Guilty by association, that is all.

You play on the same server, clearly you are guilty as well.

[reborn649]

I'm in this thread too now.

Hi Zeelot, I sincerely miss BSing with you pal.

Franny!!!

[Orruar]

choose one of the other 500 threads imo. should help save a few f5 keys

Of all the threads in which you could bring up past events, you chose the one titled "recent events".

[JackFlash]

RIP VD.

[Nuggie]

Of all the threads in which you could bring up past events, you chose the one titled "recent events".

Maybe you kissed what I said earlier bro. It doesn't have to make sense. It just has to be a good read. For me at least. Forumquest is often more entertaining than everquest. :p