Rules Clarification Pls

MycahDavith · #1 05-20-2015, 10:31 AM

Seeking rules clarification pls:

5. Real Money Trades (RMT) are not allowed on Project 1999.

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Currency includes all forms of real world OR virtual currency...

Specifically referring to using "bot" currency. Twitch.tv is ever growing, and in my opinion a great way to interact with viewers in many, many aspects.
Any good Twitcher will tell you that interacting with and rewarding your viewers is a great way to maintain viewer loyalty, and simply a way of saying thanks to your viewers.

Now to my point. There are several moderator/bot applications and programming that can be done to have a give-away or raffle. Normally you would want to reward viewers who have spent time in your channel; this can be quantified by having the bot program periodically issue a virtual currency. These programs are highly customizable and allow you to call the currency whatever you desire. You wouldn't want to have a give-away open to anyone who comes into your channel solely for the purpose of attaining an item and never coming back. Thus you want to limit the give-away to those who have accumulated points/money/currency, rather than to some random opportunist.

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So let’s make this simple:

Viewer A has accumulated 2000 "points" by simply hanging out and actively participating in the Twitch channel over a given period of time. These points are not purchased or earned in any way other than by simply hanging out. Sometimes mini-games, or trivia, etc., etc can earn a player additional points. Maybe a viewer is very active and helpful and the streamer wants to provide additional points. (I realize you would have no way of regulating someone's channel and verifying the legitimacy of how the virtual currency was obtained.)

Streamer Joe has a few items he would like to give back to his Twitch community by doing a give-away/raffle.

Streamer Joe tells his viewers: "Type in keyword 'raffle'; it will cost you 50 points to purchase a raffle ticket". After entries are compiled, winner is player "A".

In game they meet and the winner receives his the give-away item.
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I have been running a bot program for a few months, and regular viewers are currently building up points. I am planning having Steam give-aways for other games, codes, as prizes and rewards.

But wanted to clarify how it would work for in-game items on P99.
Is this legal?

Thanks for taking the time to read and respond.

(Repost from original thread https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=132299)

Burrito · #2 05-20-2015, 10:34 AM

Hey Mycah

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I'm very sorry, but we are not going to authorize in game give-always as incentives related to streams.

Their stance on such activities may have changed since I asked- but this is the response I got.

Itap · #3 05-20-2015, 10:36 AM

As long as there is no exchange of actual real life money, I don't see the staff having a problem with this. Essentially you are giving away EQ items to people who have "earned" points by hanging out in your twitch channel? You are not gaining anything by this, except perhaps loyalty of viewers to your twitch, seems legit.

Edit - ^ Appears I was wrong

Samoht · #4 05-20-2015, 10:37 AM

So you're trading an in-game item for an out of game currency that a user has accumulated by giving you views on Twitch that has provided you with ad revenue for streaming? Definitely sounds like payola to me. Maybe if you didn't require points for raffle tickets and just gave one to everybody viewing.

Itap · #5 05-20-2015, 10:44 AM

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an out of game currency

But what currency? Fictitious points?

tristantio · #6 05-20-2015, 10:46 AM

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But what currency? Fictitious points?

You mean sort of like bitcoins? Pretty sure bitcoins for EQ coins would definitely be RMT [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Itap · #7 05-20-2015, 10:50 AM

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You mean sort of like bitcoins? Pretty sure bitcoins for EQ coins would definitely be RMT [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You cannot use the OPs points for anything besides winning EQ items. Bitcoins have a lot more worth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Samoht · #8 05-20-2015, 10:55 AM

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But what currency? Fictitious points?

Cash from ad revenue. It's the only reason to bolster loyal "viewers."

MycahDavith · #9 05-20-2015, 11:02 AM

I get no money from Twitch AT ALL, ever. Is that my end goal? no. Do I want to Twitch for a living, no. I'm a little more realistic.

Twitch Partnership is not something everyone just gets for streaming.
See:
http://www.twitch.tv/partner/signup

Certain metrics are required.

I stream because I am a very social person - maybe stop by sometime - check it out. It's a lot of fun. I am also very thankful to the people who do hang out.

I could simply just sit in EC tunnel and try to acquire more PP. I'm not that kind of person, anyone who has watched me play/twitch since I have started here can tell you that. I would rather just give some items away to the people I would like to call friends, who hang out, but I want to do it in a fun way. That's just me being me.

Edit - I'm talking low end items here 5k or less value.. High end items I will be Tunnelquesting my ass off =)

MycahDavith · #10 05-20-2015, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you're trading an in-game item for an out of game currency that a user has accumulated by giving you views on Twitch that has provided you with ad revenue for streaming? Definitely sounds like payola to me. Maybe if you didn't require points for raffle tickets and just gave one to everybody viewing.

- thanks for the response =)

Not Trading - giving away ( Lawyer edit )

Ad revenue... haha I wish... I'm not that elite yet. ( Not partnered with Twitch - no Sub button )

The points aren't a specific requirement. I can remove that aspect of the "raffle". It was only a concern as a way to legitimize and distinguish between the viewer who is loyal vs. some random schmuck who heard I was doing a give-away and wanted to get lucky. But I guess that's the point of a Raffle huh, to get lucky?

So to that point. If the currency system ( aka Viewer 'Bucks' ) was removed, and it was open to anyone - is this legit then?

I'm only pressing the issue because I have a 5 day weekend coming up.