factions not right?

[Feachie]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know this was mentioned but Iksars should be KOS everywhere. I think this was well-known back in the day, I was a nub back then and even I knew that.

yeah seriously. how much research really needs to be provided for this? it was in the prima guide ffs

[Xatava]

actually i believe there was one antonican city that iksar weren't kos. well not a city per se, bu the sewers of qeynos, iksar should be dubious there and able to bank without any faction work iirc.

[Dr4z3r]

Originally Posted by Feachie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yeah seriously. how much research really needs to be provided for this? it was in the prima guide ffs

The Prima guide wasn't exactly a bastion of reliability. "Everyone knows Iksars were KoS" isn't dependable information, it's just assumption based on what Verant said; and Verant wasn't quite perfect at doing exactly what it said it would.

[Palemoon]

Originally Posted by Xatava [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

actually i believe there was one antonican city that iksar weren't kos. well not a city per se, bu the sewers of qeynos, iksar should be dubious there and able to bank without any faction work iirc.

This matches up with what I researched last night on Al'kabor, Bloodsabers guild was the only area I could find in the old world that had no KOS/Threatening mobs to the Iskar Monk I was running around with. Well except the wandering begger mobs, those were threatening and I think they are on some Qeynos merchant or theif faction?

About the human Innoruk rogue being KOS in Neriak, I have not tested that combo yet but a human cleric of Innoruk was threatening to the dark elf necromancers that sit up on the first gate inside Neriak.

Point is, factions are not portrayed right. If I know they will acomplish something, i'll continue to make posts in the bug section with different race/class/religion combos and post their starting faction.

Priority should be the "evil" combos, since they seem the most out of wack.

[toddfx]

Not sure how relevant this is, but I recently discovered my Halfling Druid is Indifferent to the merchants of FoB. I didn't go into Cabilis to test it, but I was able to purchase from every FoB merchant.

I did not expect this and was surprised, but perhaps that is how it is supposed to be.

[Palemoon]

Originally Posted by toddfx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not sure how relevant this is, but I recently discovered my Halfling Druid is Indifferent to the merchants of FoB. I didn't go into Cabilis to test it, but I was able to purchase from every FoB merchant.

I did not expect this and was surprised, but perhaps that is how it is supposed to be.

Yeah that is not right. They need to be set to dubious, unless p99 is still in the old old old phase that still had outright KOS merchant type NPCs.

Halfing Druid can buy/sell in Calibis , but a Human Cleric of Innoruk can't train in the Main Temple of Innoruk in Neriak.. go figure.

[nilbog]

We are completely willing to fix factions as the correct values are found.

The process of implementing them sucks, and I'll give a brief explanation.

Each faction is identified by a faction_id. For example, QeynosCitizens is 434. So, each value associated for race/class/deity modifies it.

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This image/chart is only for QeynosCitizens. Each faction has its own "chart".

(taken from http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/factionlist.html, ignore non-classic ones)

Agents of Dreadspire
    Agents of Mistmoore
    Agnarr
    Ak'Anon Strike Force V
    Akheva
    Allize Taeew
    Allize Volew
    Ancestors of Valdeholm
    Ancestors of the Crypt
    Anchorites of Brell Serilis
    Ankhefenmut
    Anti-Mage
    Antonius Bayle
    Arboreans of Faydark
    Arcane Scientists
    Army of Light
    Ashen Order
    Askr the Lost
    Assistants of the Scribe
    Aviak
    Banker
    Battalion of Marr
    Bayle's Irregulars
    Befallen Inhabitants
    Bertoxxulous
    Bertoxxulous' Chosen
    Beta Neutral
    Betrayers of Di`Zok
    Blackburrow Gnolls
    Blackfeather Raiders
    Blacksail Pirates
    Blacksail Smugglers
    Blood Furies
    Blood of Ro
    Blood of Solusek
    Bloodgills
    Bloodmoon Were-Orcs
    Bloodsabers
    Bonecracker Furies
    Broken Skull Clan
    Brood of Di`Zok
    Brood of Kotiz
    Brood of Ssraeshza
    Brownie
    Brownie Rebels
    Burning Dead
    Burynai Legion
    Butcherblock Bandits
    Cabilis Residents
    Camp Valor
    Captains of Dyn`leth
    Carson McCabe
    CazicThule
    Chetari
    Children of Dranik
    Circle Of Unseen Hands
    Circle of the Crystalwing
    Cirtan, Bayle's Herald
    Citizens of Freeport
    Citizens of Froststone
    Citizens of Gukta
    Citizens of Qeynos
    Citizens of Seru
    Citizens of Shar Vahl
    Citizens of Takish-Hiz
    Clan Grikbar
    Clan Kolbok
    Clan Runnyeye
    Clan Vorzek
    Claws of Veeshan
    Clerics of Tunare
    Clerics of Underfoot
    Cliknar
    Clockwork Gnome
    Clurg
    Coalition of Tradefolk
    Coalition of Tradefolk Underground
    Coldain
    Coldeye Clan
    Combine Empire
    Combine Empire Merchants
    Commons Residents
    Concillium Universus
    Corrupt Qeynos Guards
    Coterie Elite
    Coterie of the Eternal Night
    Craftkeepers
    Craknek Warriors
    Creatures of Darkhollow
    Creatures of Gloomingdeep
    Creatures of Justice
    Creatures of Sandflow
    Creatures of Taelosia
    Creep Reapers
    Crimson Hands
    Critters of Jaggedpine
    Crusade of the Scale
    Crusaders Of Greenmist
    Crusaders of Veeshan
    Crushbone Orcs
    Cult of the Arisen
    Cult of the Great Saprophyte
    Cursed Drakes
    DaBashers
    Dain Frostreaver IV
    Dar Khura
    Dark Bargainers
    Dark Ones
    Dark Reflection
    Dark Reign
    Dark Sendings
    Darkhammer Dwarves
    Darkpaw Gnolls
    Darkpaws of Jaggedpine
    Darkvine Brownies
    Dawnhoppers
    Death Fist Orcs
    Deathshed Legion
    Deep Muses
    Deep Sporali
    Deeppockets
    Deepshade Collective
    Deepwater Knights
    Defective Clockwork
    Defenders of the Broodlands
    Deklean Korgad
    Denizens of Discord
    Denizens of Mischief
    Dervish Cutthroats
    Direwind Gnolls
    Disciples of Jarzarrad
    Disciples of Kerafyrm
    Disciples of Rhag`Zadune
    Discordant Army
    Dismal Rage
    Dragorn Forces
    Dranik Loyalists
    Dreadguard Inner
    Dreadguard Outer
    Dream Delvers
    Dromrek
    Drones of Stonehive
    Drowned Dead
    Drusella Sathir
    Dryads of the Grove
    Ebon Mask
    Elder Scrykin
    Eldritch Collective
    Emerald Warriors
    Emperor Ssraeshza
    Erollisi's Scorned
    EruditeCitizen
    Evil Eye
    Exiled Frogloks
    Expedition 328
    Eye of Seru
    Fairie
    Fallen Guard of Illsalin
    Fallen of Bloody Kithicor
    Fang Breakers
    Faydarks Champions
    FelGuard
    Fieldstrider Centaur
    Firiona Vie
    Fizzlethorp
    Fledgling Scrykin
    Followers of Korucust
    Forces of Dyn'leth
    Forgotten Guktan Spirits
    Foulblood Fieldstrider Centaur
    Free Traders of Malgrinnor
    Frogloks of Guk
    Frogloks of Krup
    Frogloks of Kunark
    Frogloks of Sebilis
    Frostflake Goblins
    Frostfoot Goblins
    Fungus Man
    Furies of Shir
    Furies of the North
    Galigaba
    Gate Callers
    Gate Keepers
    Gelistial
    Gem Choppers
    Geonid Collective
    Ghouls of Neriak
    Gladiators of Mata Muram
    Goblin
    Goblins of Cleaving Tooth
    Goblins of Fire Peak
    Goblins of Mountain Death
    Gor Taku
    Gralloks
    Greater Brann Giants
    Greater Jord Giants
    Greater Vann Giants
    Greater Vind Giants
    Green Blood Knights
    Greenfoot Goblins
    Grel
    Grieg
    Grimlings of the Forest
    Grimlings of the Moor
    Grobb Guards
    Grobb Merchants
    Guardian Defense Forces
    Guardians of Justice
    Guardians of Shar Vahl
    Guardians of Veeshan
    Guardians of the Dark Tower
    Guardians of the Vale
    Guards of Qeynos
    Guktan Elders
    HalfElf
    Hall of the Ebon Mask
    Hand Legionnaries
    Hand of Seru
    Haven Defenders
    Haven Smugglers
    Heart of Seru
    Herald Argoth
    Herald of Druzzil Ro
    Heretics
    Hexxt
    High Council of Erudin
    High Council of Gukta
    High Guard of Erudin
    HighHold Citizens
    Highpass Guards
    Holgresh
    Horde of Xalgoz
    House of Fordel
    House of Midst
    House of Stout
    Human
    Indigo Brotherhood
    Infiltrators and Traitors of Ashengate
    Inhabitants of Firiona Vie
    Inhabitants of Hate
    Inhabitants of Sky
    Inhabitants of Tanaan
    Innoruuk's Curse of the Cauldron
    Insurgents of Ro
    Jacosh Steldenn
    Jaggedpine Treefolk
    Jaled-Dar
    Jewel of Atiiki Efreetis
    Johanius Barleou
    Kaladim Citizens
    Kaladim Merchants
    Kane Bayle
    Karana
    Karana Bandits
    Karana Residents
    Katta Castellum Citizens
    Kazon Stormhammer
    Kedge
    Keepers of the Art
    Keepers of the Claw
    Kejek Village
    Kejekan
    Kelethin Merchants
    Kerra Isle
    Kessdona
    Khati Sha
    King AkAnon
    King Naythox Thex
    King Peleke
    King Tearis Thex
    King Tondra
    King Tormax
    King Vigdos
    King Xorbb
    Kingdom of Above and Below
    Kithicor Residents
    Knights of Thunder
    Knights of Truth
    Kobold
    Kobolds of Fire Pit
    Kobolds of Gloomingdeep
    Krag
    Kromrif
    Kromzek
    Kunark Fire Giants
    Ladies of the Light
    Lake Recondite Bandits
    Lanys T`Vyl
    League of Antonican Bards
    Legion of Cabilis
    Legion of Mata Muram
    Legion of Rage
    Legion of Stonehive
    Legions of Sverag
    Lesser Brann Giants
    Lesser Jord Giants
    Lesser Vann Giants
    Lesser Vind Giants
    Lithiniath
    Lizard Man
    Lodikai
    Lorekeepers of Gukta
    Lost Kingdom of Lok
    Lost Minions of Miragul
    Lost of the Windwillow
    Loyalists of Kerafyrm
    Loyals
    Luclin
    Magus Conlegium
    Mayong Mistmoore
    Mayor Gubbin
    Meldrath
    Merchants of AkAnon
    Merchants of Erudin
    Merchants of Felwithe
    Merchants of Halas
    Merchants of Highpass
    Merchants of Kaladim
    Merchants of Ogguk
    Merchants of Qeynos
    Merchants of Rivervale
    Mermaid
    Miners Guild 249
    Miners Guild 628
    Minions of Meldrath
    Minions of Scale
    Minions of Tirranun
    Minions of Underfoot
    Minions of the Sunlord
    Minohten
    Minotaur
    Mitius, Herald of Change
    Mucktail Gnolls
    Nadox Initiate
    Nagafen
    Najena
    Nathyn Illuminious
    Neriak Ogre
    Neriak Trolls
    Nest Guardians
    New Alliance of Stone
    Newbie Monster
    Nightmoon Kobolds
    Nihil
    Norrath's Keepers
    Nymphs of the Darkwater
    Nymphs of the Windwillow
    Oceangreen Residents
    Oggok Citizens
    Oggok Guards
    Opal Dark Briar
    Oracle of Karnon
    Oracle of Marud
    Orc
    Orcakar Players
    Order of Autarkic Umbrage
    Order of Autarkic Umbrage
    Order of Three
    Othmir
    Outcasts and Mutants
    Overlord Mata Muram
    Pack of Tomar
    Paebala
    Paladins of Gukta
    Paladins of Underfoot
    Peace Keepers
    Phinigel Autropos
    Pickclaw Goblins
    Pirates Of Gunthak
    Pirates of Iceclad
    Pirates of the Pine
    Pixie
    Pixtt
    Plaguebringer Parishioners
    Planar Collective
    Prexuz
    Priests of Innoruuk
    Priests of Life
    Priests of Marr
    Priests of Mischief
    Primal Crystallines
    Primordial Malice
    Prisoners of Justice
    Progeny
    Protectors of Growth
    Protectors of Gukta
    Protectors of Pine
    QRG Protected Animals
    QeynosCitizen
    Queen Cristanos Thex
    Ragefang
    Ragepaw
    Rallos Zek
    Rallosian Guards
    Rallosian Invaders
    Rav
    Ravenous Undead
    Redfist Legionnaires
    Residents of Jaggedpine
    Residents of Karanas
    Residents of the Glade
    Riftseekers
    Rikkukin
    Ring of Scale
    Riptide Goblins
    Rogues of the White Rose
    Root of Innuruuk
    Rujarkian Slavers
    RyGorr Clan Snow Orcs
    S.H.I.P. Workshop Base Population
    Sabertooths of Blackburrow
    Sandflow
    Sandworkers
    Sarnak Collective
    Scaled Mystics
    Scholars of Solusek
    Scions of Dreadspire
    Scorchclaw Goblins
    Sebilisian Empire
    Seru
    Seru Race
    Servants of Aero
    Servants of Hydro
    Servants of Inferno
    Servants of Saryrn
    Servants of Terra
    Servants of Tunare
    Servants of the Compact
    Servants of the First Witness
    Shades of Zek
    Shadowed Men
    Shadowknights of Night Keep
    Shadowmane
    Shak Dratha
    Shamen of Justice
    Shamen of War
    Sharpeye's Reef Runners
    Shei Vinitras
    Shik Nar
    Shiliskin Empire
    Shoulders of Seru
    Shralock Orcs
    Silent Fist Clan
    Silla Herald
    Sirens of Maiden's Grave
    Sirens of the Grotto
    Sky Talons
    Snowfang Gnolls
    Soldiers of Tunare
    Solusek Mining Co
    Songweavers
    Spire Spirits
    Spiritbound
    Spirits of Katta Castellum
    Spirits of Nokk
    Spirocs of Timorous
    Splitpaw Clan
    Sporali
    Sporali Collective
    Steam Factory Flunkies
    Steel Warriors
    Steelslaves
    Stillmoon Acolytes
    Stone Hive Bixies
    Storm Guard
    Storm Guardians
    Storm Reapers
    Stormbreaker Furies
    Stormscape Aviaks
    Sunstone Goblins
    Swift Tails
    Syrik Iceblood
    Tarmok Tribe
    Taruun
    Temple Of Sol Ro
    Thaulen Teir'Duuren
    The Bloodtribe
    The Borrowers
    The Cral Ligi Clan
    The Dark Alliance
    The Dead
    The Fallen
    The Forsaken
    The Freeport Militia
    The Grol Baku Clan
    The Guardians
    The HotWingz
    The Irebound
    The Kromdek
    The Kromdul
    The Rainkeeper
    The Recuso
    The Sambata Tribe
    The Spurned
    The Tro Jeg Clan
    The Truth
    The Vas Ren Clan
    The Venom Swarm
    The Wall-Borne
    Thought Leeches
    Thrall of Kly
    Thunder Guardians
    Tidewater Goblins
    Tirranun
    TizmakClan
    Toskirakk Merchants
    Toskirakk Slavers
    Toskirakk Slaves
    Traders of the Haven
    Trakanon
    Treants of Jaggedpine
    Tribe Vrodak
    Tribe of the Nogdha
    Trueblood Coven
    Truespirit
    Trusik Tribe
    Tserrina Syl'Tor
    Tuffein
    Tuffein Leadership
    Tunare's Scouts
    Tunarean Court
    Tunat'Muram
    Tynoc, Herald of Scale
    Ulthork
    Undead Frogloks of Guk
    Underfoot Autarchs
    Underfoot Citizens
    Underfoot Denizens
    Underfoot Protectors
    Underfoot Subversionists
    Unkempt Druids
    VahShir Crusaders
    Valdanov Zevfeer
    Valdeholm Citizens
    Validus Custodus
    Veeshan
    Velketor
    Venril Sathir
    Verish Mal
    Vishimtar
    Volkara
    Volkara's Brood
    Vornol Transon
    Vox
    Warlord Ngrub
    Wayfarers Brotherhood
    Werewolf
    Whisperling
    Whistling Fist Brotherhood
    Wildfang
    Wind Nymphs
    Witnesses of Hate
    Wizards of Gukta
    Wolves of the North
    Wraithguard
    Wraithguard Leadership
    Yar`lir
    Yelinak
    Yunjo Slave Resistance
    Zazamoukh
    Zlandicar
    Zun'Muram

This is why its complicated to have 100% accurate factions and why it's not completed. Community assistance would be nice.

[Doors]

lol, godspeed on that job.

[nilbog]

Yup.. so when someone complains or asks why a faction isn't exactly like live, tell them to fill out the chart. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Palemoon]

Is there no way to extract the chart figures from EQlive or EQmac?

Is the only way really to just /con NPCs and plug in a number to the chart?

I suppose I can continue doing "ballpark" faction for the class/races but I'm supprised this info is not already "out there" to just copy/paste chart to chart.