Best setup for rogue end game

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

these things are not mutually exclusive. you can have a good ratio on a slower weapon. especially off hand.

pick something else.

4 real.

exquisite weapons, skyfury scimitar, scimitar of emerald dawn, edge of the nightwalker

Unless the accepted formula is wrong, my point is there's no difference on hate generated from a 10/18 or a 20/36 weapon if it is in offhand. A scimitar of emerald dawn will generate slightly more hate even if nearly 2x slower.

Not sure how backstab hate works but ragebringer is possibly the bigger culprit here. Over a minute SCD OH will generate 333 hate from white damage without factoring haste. SoED OH will generate 354. Exq vel. Bhammer would be 360. A SCD mainhand will generate 700hate while ragebringer 624 so I suspect the 15dmg backstab is what pushes you over the edge in your example more than OH choice. Also the 40% haste is 4-6% more than most players so that doesn't help either.

I ran the numbers in the warrior thread and there's like a 15% difference between a lamentation and a SBoZ in hate generated, that's why a 400hate proc is a big deal for tanks, weapon choice doesn't do much for hate generation when it comes to white damage unless you're vastly outclassing the people you're with.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unless the accepted formula is wrong, my point is there's no difference on hate generated from a 10/18 or a 20/36 weapon if it is in offhand.

Your formula is wrong.

There's a reason Nevederia's Horn is the best off-hand for warrior tanking even without a substantial aggro proc.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If we're talking lv 50+ tanks are able to deal with that weapon. It's a pretty tame rogue weapon compared to literally anything from NToV.

50+ and NToV can be two wildly different experiences. Every levelling rogue who has argued against me has quickly changed their opinion to match my teachings after grouping with tanks that are not NToV geared. It only takes a few deaths to learn. But that's part of being a rogue, I guess. It's a hard lesson to learn, but they have to remember that dead rogues do 0 dps.

[Dogz]

Damage bonus hate is being applied to off hand attacks when it shouldn't be. Damage bonus is obviously main hand only.

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by Dogz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Damage bonus hate is being applied to off hand attacks when it shouldn't be. Damage bonus is obviously main hand only.

That would explain it, thanks for chiming in.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Very true. I was just thinking a situation where people are killing swaths of trash like geos. Presuming any situation where the healer wouldn’t just tank to let the rogue kill twice as quick and assassinate stuff.

Thinking on this I can’t imagine even a duo/trio where a rogue would be tanking. In Seb CE they are likely just trying backstabs. Even a Druid or Cleric+rogue killing a harder target wouldn’t be too difficult. If the healer goes OOM a rune whip wouldn’t save the day.

Because people are unimaginative idiots that have mental breakdowns when their comfort game gets played differently, speaking from experience tanking for a Chef/Bar wing group. Groupmates freak out after about 5 mins of the rogue not backstabbing on timer despite no issues.


Here's a friendlier version of your message:
I’ve noticed that some people can be a bit rigid when it comes to their comfort zones in games. From my experience with the Chef/Bar wing group, it’s interesting to see how quickly some teammates get anxious if the rogue isn’t backstabbing precisely on time. It’s only been a few minutes, and suddenly there’s a lot of stress! It’s a reminder that we all have our own styles, and a little patience can go a long way.

[Vexenu]

EotN is far superior fashion to the SCD, and the 25 delay matching the Ragebringer means your off-hand will be attacking in perfect synchrony with your main-hand. Beautiful. Sublime. Autism- and OCD-friendly.

[Cecily]

I like it when the numbers all go at the same time.

[Duik]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

EotN is far superior fashion to the SCD, and the 25 delay matching the Ragebringer means your off-hand will be attacking in perfect synchrony with your main-hand. Beautiful. Sublime. Autism- and OCD-friendly.

Does (extra emote of) BS wreck that symphony of stabbing/slashing?

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because people are unimaginative idiots that have mental breakdowns when their comfort game gets played differently, speaking from experience tanking for a Chef/Bar wing group. Groupmates freak out after about 5 mins of the rogue not backstabbing on timer despite no issues.


Here's a friendlier version of your message:
I’ve noticed that some people can be a bit rigid when it comes to their comfort zones in games. From my experience with the Chef/Bar wing group, it’s interesting to see how quickly some teammates get anxious if the rogue isn’t backstabbing precisely on time. It’s only been a few minutes, and suddenly there’s a lot of stress! It’s a reminder that we all have our own styles, and a little patience can go a long way.

I wasn’t trying to be insulting. Certainly a rogue can tank if they want. Killing blue cons isn’t difficult and the Silver Whip is a great item. I did typo “trying” instead of “trading” but I don’t expect that changes it much.