Solo self found melee shaman race?

[shovelquest]

Ogre offers nothing but end game rewards and being a solo self found I reckon that isn't any value. Sure if you're going to end game farm ogre is the way to go.

But for solo self found barbarian would likely be the easiest, then troll/iksar then ogre to level IMO.

Barbs just have access to qeynos and its uber leveling and quests, while troll gets the regen. Though does troll get an EXP penalty? Thats worth considering.

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Perhaps the most import thing to consider is how to get a decent weapon early on?

I'm keen to debate whats the best weapon for a fresh brand new solo self found shaman, I'm going to offer this challenging to easy to camp at level 12-15 item.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Riptide_Spear

at 6/33 it's pretty shit. But hey you're like level 15.

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[shovelquest]

https://wiki.project1999.com/Scepter_of_Rahotep

Scepter of Rahotep is also a good item to get.

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[Ciderpress]

Yeah again it's all about what the intentions are. If the goal is get level 60 and then retire the day you ding 60, that seems like such a wasted effort because shamans don't even get torp until 60 and that single spell opens up the solo potential of the class immensely.

[shovelquest]

It would take like a year of playing solo self found shaman to get to the point that you were like, "alright the value of frontal stun immunity is starting to kick in!"

[Crede]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It would take like a year of playing solo self found shaman to get to the point that you were like, "alright the value of frontal stun immunity is starting to kick in!"

It’s to be determined what the actual “value” is of FSI besides avoiding the annoyance of being occasionally being stunned from the front. It’s like a bard who fizzles a song, you just recast it. I guess maybe jbb spam if you can actually loot one ssf?

I think it’s more prominent in sks if you’re gonna be an aggressive puller where if you can’t get a fd off you’re literally dead.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Ciderpress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Troll regen, like all regen, can't outpace mob damage as you gain levels. You can put a fungi on a lvl 1 and steamroll stuff on basically any class for a while, but eventually it doesn't work as mob melee damage outpaces your regen rate. I guess it depends on the specifics of the challenge, are you just trying to hit 60 in the shortest time possible? If that's the case, definitely barb for the lower penalty alone.

Also as an aside, barbs are clearly the intended race for shamans, lore-wise. The pet is a wolf, not some goofy lizard! Do you see any wolves hanging out in innothule or oggok or cab? No!

This would take more hours than anyone is willing to put in, but I would be super interested to see a comparison of no XP penalty vs regen reducing downtime in terms of leveling speed.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It’s to be determined what the actual “value” is of FSI besides avoiding the annoyance of being occasionally being stunned from the front. It’s like a bard who fizzles a song, you just recast it. I guess maybe jbb spam if you can actually loot one ssf?

I think it’s more prominent in sks if you’re gonna be an aggressive puller where if you can’t get a fd off you’re literally dead.

FSI is super valuable if you are end game farming high end mobs where one stun basically means you're done (although I thought they'd made changes to channeling and stuff that makes it slightly less useful).

For leveling to 60 as OP is doing, it's not really important. If SSF is no longer the rule once 60 is hit then Ogre becomes more relevant (i.e., if you're gonna buy Torpor and your epic and start farming).

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

FSI is super valuable if you are end game farming high end mobs where one stun basically means you're done (although I thought they'd made changes to channeling and stuff that makes it slightly less useful).

For leveling to 60 as OP is doing, it's not really important. If SSF is no longer the rule once 60 is hit then Ogre becomes more relevant (i.e., if you're gonna buy Torpor and your epic and start farming).

This is correct. FSI is better than Troll/Iksar Regen at level 60 with Torpor. While leveling (especially SSF), Troll/Iksar regen generally has more value. A successful bash will interrupt a spell, regardless of how channeling works.

If OP stays true to the SSF path, then Troll would be the best option. I don't think you can get Torpor as an SSF Shaman. As far as I can remember Cliff Golems are the easiest mob you can solo for a chance a Torpor. I don't think an untwinked level 60 Shaman without Torpor can kill a Cliff Golem. It's an interesting challenge. You basically need to have your pet tank the entire time while you canni dance to get as much mana as possible. Without free damage clickies like JBB or Epic, I am not sure if you'll have enough mana.

For OP, feel free to read the Shaman Race Guide in my signature. It goes into depth about the pros/cons of each race.

[shovelquest]

By 60 I wonder if a shaman can even solo the JBB room, actually just that room, should be ok, but if that named dude breaks and resists a root you're f'd.

[Ciderpress]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is correct. FSI is better than Troll/Iksar Regen at level 60 with Torpor. While leveling (especially SSF), Troll/Iksar regen generally has more value. A successful bash will interrupt a spell, regardless of how channeling works.

If OP stays true to the SSF path, then Troll would be the best option. I don't think you can get Torpor as an SSF Shaman. As far as I can remember Cliff Golems are the easiest mob you can solo for a chance a Torpor. I don't think an untwinked level 60 Shaman without Torpor can kill a Cliff Golem. It's an interesting challenge. You basically need to have your pet tank the entire time while you canni dance to get as much mana as possible. Without free damage clickies like JBB or Epic, I am not sure if you'll have enough mana.

For OP, feel free to read the Shaman Race Guide in my signature. It goes into depth about the pros/cons of each race.

Soloing cliff golems even with torp and epic is a pain in the ass that takes forever. They're so magic resistant even with malo\malosini applied. Drop rates are also just abysmally low. I was so giddy to kill them on my enc once I leveled up cause they die so much faster, and I probably killed 300 and never got a spell worth more than 100p. Maybe during bonus loot it's a little better, but I swore off them forever.

Does SSF mean you can't buy anything from other players? I thought it just meant you can't twink yourself or group or accept buffs\gifts from other players, but can still farm and sell\buy stuff no?