Do you think FD pulling would have been a thing?

[Wakanda]

If Enchanters had been a meta / mainstream class? I kind of don’t. I know everyone on here likes to larp that we all knew charm was OP and Enchanters were always the meta, but that wasn’t a thing from my perspective. FD pulling was a huge thing because of the fact that we didn’t have reliable on-demand CC.

Was noticing in MnM monks really aren’t great pullers because FD isn’t required now that multiple classes have mez or the equivalent, but then I started thinking about the fact that I leveled a necro to 60 on P99 without ever having a need for FD and started wondering how it even works compared to the monk ability.

But then I had a flashback to actually leveling a shadow knight in 2001 and wondered why I didn’t use the spell version of FD back then and then I remembered the game had already evolved to the point where most groups had an Enchanter and the goal was actually to pull as many mobs as possible. Still no charm non sense of course 😹

But yeah I really dunno if monk pulling / FD would have become a meta or mainstream thing if enchanters had been integral to gameplay since day 1. And yes I know monk FD can split fire giants and other tough pulls in PoH. But I think outside of those niche functions, Monks prob wouldn’t have been associated exclusively with FD pulling and that it mainly became a thing due to the fact we had no mez [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Namsaknoi]

Spell resists work very differently on P99 compared to live.
Players can land spells much easier on NPCs
NPCs can land spells much easier on players
Resist is less effective, on live, you would be pretty much immune at 200, here spells can still land on you with 400
Charm, mez, root resisted a lot upon casting, and often broke within first 10 ticks (1 min) even when landed
On live, at least up to Velious, monk, SK, bard, warrior, ranger often pulled from what I remember, and sometimes duo effort

[sammoHung]

Yes, because of ToV and other zones where Enc cannot pacify / mez, etc.

Although - there are other tactics like dirty/clean tagging with TL's to bind for the dirty tag. But that would require having your pullers bound outside of ToV - which unless you were a caster, probably wasn't a thing in raid guilds in 2001.

[cd288]

Don't think this is related to mez really. It's just more of the fact that people know there are multiple ways to CC mobs and it's pretty easy to burn down multiple mobs quickly. People are more geared as well and as such that makes it easier. I would imagine that current technology and internet stability plays a bit of a role as well...people aren't going LD frequently like they were in 1999.

Also, everyone can just get rezzed by a clicky Cleric if things go wrong and you'll be right back to grinding XP in like 10 minutes.

People just aren't worried about mass pulls of mobs anymore for a variety of reasons.

[Infectious]

Fd pulling was a thing a few years ago. All it takes is a twink or two and your group is pulling 4-5 mobs at a time.

[Rygar]

Consider taking a break from posting new threads or at least make them in the proper forum

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Rygar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Consider taking a break from posting new threads or at least make them in the proper forum

Posting in server chats gets you lectured by dweebuses.

Joe is right to stay in the RNF safe space.

[Wakanda]

Originally Posted by Rygar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Consider taking a break from posting new threads or at least make them in the proper forum

I don't even look at the forums on a daily basis. The forums are just so inactive that if someone makes a thread once a week, it looks like spam. In reality there are threads I made months ago... that are still on the front page, lol.

I don't think it's just a lack of interest in P99 either, I think that people just prefer Reddit and Discord now.

Also the rules for the forums specifically say if you have to troll, then do it in RnF. While many of my threads aren't actually trolling, they are not serious in nature. Do I remember dragoon dirk dropping off of guards in Nektulos? No. Did I spend hundreds of hours camping said guards through 1999-2001? Yes. Is it this really a serious issues that needs to be addressed immediately? No.

But who else am I going to talk to about EQ? No one I know outside of EQ even knows what EQ is. It's kind of a weird plight to be in and something most gamers will never be able to relate to. IE. A WoW player is going to have an easy time finding millions of other people to talk to WoW about. A league of legends player is going to have an easy time finding millions of other people to talk about league of legends with.

Those of us who like more niche obscure games like EQ, MnM, Pantheon etc. don't have easy access to similar outlets unfortunately.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't think this is related to mez really. It's just more of the fact that people know there are multiple ways to CC mobs and it's pretty easy to burn down multiple mobs quickly. People are more geared as well and as such that makes it easier. I would imagine that current technology and internet stability plays a bit of a role as well...people aren't going LD frequently like they were in 1999.

Also, everyone can just get rezzed by a clicky Cleric if things go wrong and you'll be right back to grinding XP in like 10 minutes.

People just aren't worried about mass pulls of mobs anymore for a variety of reasons.

Hear, hear. Facts are like a giant bell tolling over the land of p99 forums once more. This game's mechanics are meta-gamed.
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The challenge for players, given a static gameworld like p99, is how to still enjoy the gameworld and the gameplay.

Plus, the other two factors. At least one -- monetization -- is curtailed on p99.

My opinion is p99 is well-situated for the future, strangely. The TLP's and live do not intervene in what players do at the client end, and the bot end. As we move forward in this era, being able to declare a "no bots! no boxes!" policy is an ace in the hole and stands out from the pack.

Lvl 1-10 minigame is best way to spend a slow day at Initech.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Wakanda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't even look at the forums on a daily basis. The forums are just so inactive that if someone makes a thread once a week, it looks like spam. In reality there are threads I made months ago... that are still on the front page, lol.

I don't think it's just a lack of interest in P99 either, I think that people just prefer Reddit and Discord now.

Also the rules for the forums specifically say if you have to troll, then do it in RnF. While many of my threads aren't actually trolling, they are not serious in nature. Do I remember dragoon dirk dropping off of guards in Nektulos? No. Did I spend hundreds of hours camping said guards through 1999-2001? Yes. Is it this really a serious issues that needs to be addressed immediately? No.

But who else am I going to talk to about EQ? No one I know outside of EQ even knows what EQ is. It's kind of a weird plight to be in and something most gamers will never be able to relate to. IE. A WoW player is going to have an easy time finding millions of other people to talk to WoW about. A league of legends player is going to have an easy time finding millions of other people to talk about league of legends with.

Those of us who like more niche obscure games like EQ, MnM, Pantheon etc. don't have easy access to similar outlets unfortunately.

A lot of your posts could easily be posted in green or blue discussion FYI