Best solo melee class?

[kjs86z2]

no its max mana ranger because cast more spells more mob more gud

[sammoHung]

Do you guys think that Revanx22, the OP - who was taking a break from levelling their only toon, a level 40 something druid, is gearing up their BiS ranger? Or maybe a BiS knight?


Oh, no.. wait. They wanted a class that you can just pick up and start playing and doesn't need BiS gear to solo.

Which is monk. End of convo. Lock this thread, or else.

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The way I read this post is the "raw ac cap" of (level * 6 + 25) is a hardcap put on lower levels. So a level 1 has a hardcap of 31 worn AC, and a softcap of X.

I know this contradicts his previous statement:



But I don't think he would use the words "raw ac cap" instead of softcap if he was revealing the softcap formula. He also specified the formula is for low levels.

My guess is they didn't want to divulge the softcap information, but they wanted to give out the low level hardcap information.

EDIT: A warrior can go over 385 worn AC, but this "raw ac cap" is said to be for low levels, so it is probably removed well before level 60.

WARNING: Wild assumptions based on partial/contradictory claims and evidence.

We know from the sogundordor parses a level 45 mobs will have a 200ac hardcap against them. Bcbrown found 180ac @40.

If that thing is linear, at lower levels it yields:
lvl----cap----softcap
25---120---175
20---100---145
15----80---115
10----60----85
5----40----55
1----20----31

Lvl being player level and cap being mob hardcap. My guess would be "lower level" being something like up to 20 and they removed the hardcap so you could not max out AC until ~25 with bronze armor.

The softcap would be 295ac at lvl45 but the hardcap was parsed at 200. No point in having a softcap if hardcap is lower. I'd guess the hardcap was lifted in kunark for mob 50+ since haynar says there's no hardcap but he's talking to raiders discussing velious raid targets.

That's what would seem to make the most sense so far but we have very little data. I'm currently working on my ranger with hopes of parsing some of that stuff to make sense of all this.

[kjs86z2]

or else!!!

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I am not sure why Ephirith had to rehash the starting stat discussion on his alt account, but here we go!

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Starting Stat Facts For Melee Classes
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1. Starting stats do not affect your gameplay in a significant way.

2. Starting stats cannot be changed, and people play their characters for years.

3. STR and DEX are increased by 160 each via FoS + Avatar. This means you will be significantly overcapped on both stats, as these two buffs alone can cap a naked character.

4. STA is increased by 50 via Riotous Health. You will eventually cap it via gear as well, albeit slower.

5. WIS/INT will probably never be capped via gear.

6. CHA will probably never be capped via gear.

7. AGI has a penalty if you are under 75.

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Summary
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STR and DEX are not long term investments. They can be capped even before 60. Race, class, gear, and play preferences (playing solo vs. grouping) determine how soon you get capped.

STA scales with level, so you do not get the full benefit until 60. Putting your starting stats here can save you a buff slot if you can cap STA without Riotous Health.

INT/WIS scales with level, so you do not get the full benefit until 60. They will probably never be capped at 60 due to melee class itemization. This means you will always benefit from your starting stats placed here.

CHA is used for Divine Intervention, which is typically used in raids. It will probably never be capped at 60 due to melee class itemization. This means you will always benefit from your starting stats placed here.

AGI offers little return past 75. Putting 5 points into AGI on the races that start under 75 (like Ogre) can help with itemization, as you do not rely on gear to get to 75.

For people who claim starting stats matter, remember that players choose to play Gnome Warriors instead of Ogre Warriors. Gnome Warriors have 70 less STR than Ogres. If a player is willing to sacrifice 70 STR via race choice, they will be fine putting their starting stats somewhere other than STR.

While it is true many characters never reach 60, some characters do get dusted off later and end up reaching 60. You should not assume a character will never reach 60, unless they are a mule or a Naggy/Vox raider capped at level 52.

Starting stats cannot be changed, so putting them into stats that will not be capped is the best long term investment. STA is the exception to this, as extra STA can help you reduce a buff slot by not needing Riotous Health to cap STA.

[kjs86z2]

EHRMAGHERD U CAN BE CAPPED STR BEFORE LEVUL 60 DO NOT START STRE!!~!!!!


dweebus maximus

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by kjs86z2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

EHRMAGHERD U CAN BE CAPPED STR BEFORE LEVUL 60 DO NOT START STRE!!~!!!!


dweebus maximus

You are the one being silly here. Racial choice will often cause you to lose a lot of STR. But I don't see you suggesting all Warriors should be Ogres. If a Gnome Warrior is ok with losing 70 STR via race choice, they will be fine if they put their points into STA or CHA. They would still be down 45 STR even after putting starting stats into it.

[kjs86z2]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are the one being silly here. Racial choice will often cause you to lose a lot of STR. But I don't see you suggesting all Warriors should be Ogres. If a Gnome Warrior is ok with losing 70 STR via race choice, they will be fine if they put their points into STA or CHA. They would still be down 45 STR even after putting starting stats into it.

a gnome war gets self haste big guy, making them BiS especially for this threads context

dont be dense...cmon...i know you can do this

STR is the correct melee starting stat for 95%+ of players

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by kjs86z2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

a gnome war gets self haste big guy

dont be dense...cmon...i know you can do this

STR is the correct starting stat for 95%+ of players

Dark elves do not get haste arms, and they also start at 70 STR. Are you advising all Warriors/SK's to not be Dark Elves? The fashion quest is great.

[kjs86z2]

ah theres the ole DSM we've all come to love