The right to discriminate

[Ekco]

Originally Posted by Ciderpress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why has there never been a push to make everyone wear shitty loose-fitting masks during flu season? Don't you want to save grandma? A good honest response to this question would sound something like: "You know what? Ciderpress, you're right. We SHOULD have been wearing masks all this time, prior to covid, simply to protect against the flu. We were foolish not to, but going forward I will now don both my covid mask and my flu mask.".

I never get that response though, weirdly.

people like to conveniently forget it was a butt of cultural jokes towards asian people for like 15-20 years prior in media also

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i remember seeing it as a germaphobia joke in sitcoms prior also like "wtf, you howie mandel or something, why you're wearing a mask?"

[shovelquest]

Idk I thought that guy was "cool" back then because he went against the system and wore a mask to avoid getting sick, like the intelligent and respectful Asians.

I however wore a mask to the airport and got covid while my traveling partner wore no mask and didn't gaf and hung out in bars at the airport did not.

So I gave up wearing masks.

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Ciderpress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've made this point a million times but I'm happy to make it again:

The flu kills lots of immunocompromised people, just like covid. Children are actually more at risk of serious illness from the flu than covid, which remarkably, barely affects most children. The method of transmission is essentially identical, the average morbidity is roughly the same.

Why has there never been a push to make everyone wear shitty loose-fitting masks during flu season? Don't you want to save grandma? A good honest response to this question would sound something like: "You know what? Ciderpress, you're right. We SHOULD have been wearing masks all this time, prior to covid, simply to protect against the flu. We were foolish not to, but going forward I will now don both my covid mask and my flu mask.".

I never get that response though, weirdly.

I've never gotten a clear answer on why I shouldn't wear a 5% effective mask, or a 10% effective mask. And so on in that fashion until everyone is eaten.

[Botten]

As usual Ciderpress or Ooloo you are very wrong.

Originally Posted by Ciderpress

Children are actually more at risk of serious illness from the flu than covid, which remarkably, barely affects most children. The method of transmission is essentially identical, the average morbidity is roughly the same.

On the morbidity rate for children when considering flu vs Covid you are wrong.
NOTE: I know nothing I write will make you believe this so take your own statement and throw it through your favorite AI and learn something. If value statistics and studies here - https://www.frontiersin.org/journals...3.1261046/full

But in case you don't bother I am going to give you a scientific answer because your claim to be an expertise from your "feelings on the matter," mean absolutely nothing.

Journal of Travel Medicine in March 2020 by Ying Liu et al., titled "The reproductive number of COVID-19 is higher compared to SARS coronavirus, 12 studies showed that the reproductive number (R0​) for the initial strains of SARS-CoV-2 was higher than that of the seasonal flu, meaning a single infected person was likely to spread the virus to more people. This rapid spread was a major driver for public health measures like masking."

Originally Posted by Ciderpress

Why has there never been a push to make everyone wear shitty loose-fitting masks during flu season? Don't you want to save grandma? A good honest response to this question would sound something like: "You know what? Ciderpress, you're right. We SHOULD have been wearing masks all this time, prior to covid, simply to protect against the flu. We were foolish not to, but going forward I will now don both my covid mask and my flu mask.".

I never get that response though, weirdly.

On the subject of masks.
Without offending anyone masks are popular in east asia since a person's identity is more closely tied to their role within the group while western individualism & personal liberty is valued over a more collectivist approach to community responsibility.

Either way source control, is crucial for contagious viruses when dealing with a high rate of asymptomatic transmission.

[Ekco]

whatever the morbidity rate of kids is, i think scientifically everyone is in agreement keeping them home was a mistake cause that damaged 100% of them so the other number only matters in academic situations

[Ciderpress]

Originally Posted by Botten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As usual Ciderpress or Ooloo you are very wrong.

That's fantastic Botten. I didn't say the flu is more dangerous or as dangerous, just similarly dangerous. So even if I'm generous and say the flu is only 40% as dangerous (which it's way higher than), we should still have been wearing masks at least 40% as often, all those many decades prior to covid. Yet we didn't. At best, during flu seasons people say "hey watch out for that flu going around!" and everyone goes okay I will! So this either betrays an irrational fear of covid, or a naive ambivalence toward the flu. Which is it? They both kill grandma after all.

[Ciderpress]

There is also of course the question of methodology. Covid in it's most dangerous forms only existed for about a year. The flu and all of it's variants have existed for decades. The collective understanding of their relative risk to society are not even close to the same quality. Covid has a much smaller data set, and for that reason is guaranteed to have a much worse signal to noise ratio when it comes to predictive potential and policy making.

The fact that essentially everyone who still wears a mask has a predictable political lean should be a massive red flag that this entire debate is hardly about science or biology anymore, and really never was.

[shovelquest]

That feeling when you realize you live in one of the many stupid dark ages and periods of history nobody really cares about while they breeze through history class.

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Ciderpress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's fantastic Botten. I didn't say the flu is more dangerous or as dangerous, just similarly dangerous. So even if I'm generous and say the flu is only 40% as dangerous (which it's way higher than), we should still have been wearing masks at least 40% as often, all those many decades prior to covid. Yet we didn't. At best, during flu seasons people say "hey watch out for that flu going around!" and everyone goes okay I will! So this either betrays an irrational fear of covid, or a naive ambivalence toward the flu. Which is it? They both kill grandma after all.

40% of which type of dangerous? Botten did say Covid fucks like 12 bunny rabbits.

[Botten]

Originally Posted by Ciderpress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is also of course the question of methodology. Covid in it's most dangerous forms only existed for about a year. The flu and all of it's variants have existed for decades. The collective understanding of their relative risk to society are not even close to the same quality. Covid has a much smaller data set, and for that reason is guaranteed to have a much worse signal to noise ratio when it comes to predictive potential and policy making.

The fact that essentially everyone who still wears a mask has a predictable political lean should be a massive red flag that this entire debate is hardly about science or biology anymore, and really never was.

and he keeps putting his foot in his mouth.

SARS-CoV-1 was identified in 2003 and was the same type virus but less contagious. Slightly more fatal thou.

SARS-CoV-2 was identified in 2019 and was a little more contagious.

In fact both had angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2; to enter human cells.

And ... yeah this virus type was first seen in chickens in 1920 in America.

And ... Human Coronavirus OC43 and Human Coronavirus 229E viruses was identified in 1960

And... HCoV-OC43 was mostly associated with the Russian flu pandemic of 1889-1890

... please just stop with your fed propaganda.