Spawn Varience

[Mcbard]

Originally Posted by Harrison [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Live wasn't this top heavy.

You didn't level as fast in Live.

No one knew wtf they were doing in Live.

This is truth. While I don't like the idea of spawn variance, you can't really compare this server to live because there were only so many guilds that could and would even attempt certain encounters in every expansion.

My opinion though, is that I wish variance was gone. I don't even mind 200 people sitting near a mobs spawn point spamming aes trying to be the first to agro, just so long as if people KS/train the others the GMS handle it. Pretty sure my opinion on the matter is a moot point however, as the extra work it creates for gms is my guess as to why the variance exists in the first place. The server is just too damn top heavy.. hopefully vp keys and good old fashioned cockblocking by certain guilds taking the time to lock other guilds out of the higher end raid zones in kunark/velious fix the problem altogether. I really hope 1 or 2 guilds have access to trak and keep him locked down.. the others will either come to a point where they step up their game or realize they don't belong in vp anyway.

[Icecometus]

No one has listed all these new raid targets we get with Kunark? If the outdoor dragons are not in at launch you've got: Trak, VS and Faydedar or one Big Boss and 2 minor bosses. Am I wrong?

Group content is the heart of Kunark and will hopefully keep everyone busy and not Poopsocking as much.

[Omnimorph]

Originally Posted by Icecometus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Group content is the heart of Kunark and will hopefully keep everyone busy and not Poopsocking as much.

Naive young grasshopper. There'll be people taking weeks off work to power to 60, locking down sebilis camps, and then poopsocking bosses.

You also forgot to mention chardok royals.

Lazortag - No variance would be worse than having the variance. Also, what would be your suggestion as opposed FTE? whoever gets the ks?

[Thetruth]

Originally Posted by Mcbard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is truth. While I don't like the idea of spawn variance, you can't really compare this server to live because there were only so many guilds that could and would even attempt certain encounters in every expansion.

My opinion though, is that I wish variance was gone. I don't even mind 200 people sitting near a mobs spawn point spamming aes trying to be the first to agro, just so long as if people KS/train the others the GMS handle it. Pretty sure my opinion on the matter is a moot point however, as the extra work it creates for gms is my guess as to why the variance exists in the first place. The server is just too damn top heavy.. hopefully vp keys and good old fashioned cockblocking by certain guilds taking the time to lock other guilds out of the higher end raid zones in kunark/velious fix the problem altogether. I really hope 1 or 2 guilds have access to trak and keep him locked down.. the others will either come to a point where they step up their game or realize they don't belong in vp anyway.

The truth says,

It is not THE TRUTH!

[Thetruth]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

on rodcet nife it was FTE, period. Every guild, even the "carebear" ones willingly leapfrogged etc. The only GM intervention came due to legit KSing and training.

The truth says,

You and your wife are one of the better looking couples on this game.

[Icecometus]

Originally Posted by Omnimorph [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Naive young grasshopper. There'll be people taking weeks off work to power to 60, locking down sebilis camps, and then poopsocking bosses.

You also forgot to mention chardok royals.

I said as much, you are correcto of course tho. I did forget to mention the Royals [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Messianic]

lol tags

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Omnimorph [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lazortag - No variance would be worse than having the variance. Also, what would be your suggestion as opposed FTE? whoever gets the ks?

Whoever clears to the boss first and engages first gets it, but if the boss hasn't spawned yet, then the first to 15 rules would apply. Again, I don't think camping raid spawns is a good thing at all, I'm not even sure if it's better or worse than FTE, but let's just get things straight: no variance doesn't mean "everything is FTE". The same rules as normal would apply.

Noble is an example of a boss without variance that can be camped. This was clarified a few weeks ago. Again, I'm not saying this is good, bad, better, worse, etc. than FTE. I'm just saying that FTE has pretty much nothing to do with the suggestion in this thread.

Also I'd like someone to respond to what I said earlier about simultaneous repops. No variance means that bosses will inevitably have to respawn at the same time (and then roughly the same time for the weeks after), making stupid strategies like poopsocking pretty much impossible unless you want to guarantee yourself only one boss.

edit: oh, also, variance isn't classic.

[Mise]

Remove variance. Get the tops guild to stop acting like children when most of the server is in their 30s-40s. Set up a rotation.

[Wotsirb401]

I didnt really raid in Classic until after Kunark came out, not that I remember anyway, but on Povar, we just had top Guild leaders discuss who was wanting to raid what, Semi-rotation set up. Other Factors were, the raid support that was online and willing to raid, as well as capable classes to raid, IE: Enough Tanks/Healers etc.