Is Donald Trump unintelligent or just dishonest?

[Oooruk]

Originally Posted by James_Joyce [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

On 30 April, Adolf Hitler, the Nazi leader, committed suicide during the Battle of Berlin. Germany's surrender, therefore, was authorised by his successor, Reichspräsident Karl Dönitz. The administration headed by Dönitz was known as the Flensburg Government. The act of military surrender was signed on 7 May 1945

Trinity was the code name of the first detonation of a nuclear weapon, conducted by the United States Army on July 16, 1945

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I suspect you realise that the bomb was not magically produced from no where on July 16, 1945, ratherthat it was developed over a number of years?

[James_Joyce]

Originally Posted by Oooruk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

u really think germany had a tech lead in 1939? u are such a retard nahtzee bro, the allies got the bomb after german surrender in 1945 so they had a tech lead in 1939 QED

[Oooruk]

Personal insults and disregarding the fact that I was replying to a statement you made about Germany circa 1945.

You're better than that.

[James_Joyce]

ok ill respond more constructively just this once.

Originally Posted by Oooruk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But, you think invading the soviet union (an ally at the time) was a good idea, demonstrating utter incompetence and a total lack of understanding about strategy and military maneuvering.

the idea that the soviet union was an ally in the sense that US and Britain were allies is retarded. the idea that invading Russia required "utter incompetence" at military matters when the Nazis were the first to push the Russians back against the wall since Napoleon, and had the Soviets on the brink of collapse, is retarded. If a military blunder was committed, it was in overextending German forces in the winter and dooming them to unsupplied isolation and death when the final seizure of the Soviet capital was inches from achieved. A more noncommittal approach probably would have been advisable. The decision to invade itself, however, was sound and very nearly successful.

The idea that war between Germany and the Soviet Union was viewed by both sides as inevitable and German leadership decided to strike while the Soviets were reeling from the great purge, before Stalin could build a regime on par militarily with Hitler's, is much better-informed than points of view that center on what an insane autocrat Hitler was. Germany didn't come inches from conquering the Earth on insanity alone, I promise.

You're oversimplifying to a laughable degree by saying "dere wuz a mutual nonaggression pact, derefore the overtly jewish-dominated Soviet Union wuz good good loyal friends with dose mad dog overtly anti-semitic nazis until they backstabbed the russian bear because Hitler was rabid && evil && masturbated to ppl being flayed alive". You never addressed the fact that the Soviets were massing for invasion when preemptively struck. You never addressed the fact that the ideologies of the two nations were diametrically opposed and both knew that the other was an existential threat from the beginning. The entire rise of fascism in Germany was predicated on fear and hatred of the catastrophe going on in Russia, among other things.

Peace for Germany in the long-term involved crushing Communist Russia; if you deny this you are buying too deeply into the "Germany as mad dog and sole aggressor" mythos. These conflicts were mutual. Communism had global aspirations in this era, and had spread so far so fast that those aspirations were to be taken seriously and put in check. Are you really so mindfucked that you see Stalin as the hapless leader of a peaceable nation suddenly and unexpectedly attacked by its closest ally, Nazi Germany? That's sad as fuck. Turn off the history channel.

By the way, the fact that some German traitors wanted to assassinate Hitler, take over the German government and surrender to save their own skins and assume massive amounts of power as they saw the war being lost is in no way a specific argument for your point of view, regardless of what you saw in the movie Valkyrie starring Tom Cruise. Ambition is plenty to explain this; don't read war-propaganda "they saw the evil" horse shit speculation into things when you're trying to have a real discussion.

I'm not better than personal insults when your response to being destroyed on one point is to sidestep, ignore it by making another retarded argument, and then backtrack and restate the original debunked premise when the secondary premise is also handily destroyed. This discussion is shitty and boring and I feel like a tool for debating WW2 facts in public like a 14 year old who just discovered Band of Brothers. Also you're a nerd.

[wts]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

all trump supporters are unwitting hillary supporters

i just want to see the atomic fireworks, is that so much to ask?

He's a Democrat in sheep's clothing.

[Stasis01]

Originally Posted by Thulack [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Probably been more police killings of unarmed people in the same timeframe....What does that say about us..

It says that a religion that is intolerant and hateful gets a free pass because it's labeled as a religion.

I'm not saying kill all Muslims, but I will keep saying we need to stand up for our culture and values and stand against them.

I would say the same thing about Christianity during medieval times, if I wouldn't get burned alive because of it of course.

[Stasis01]

Everyone needs to tolerate intolerance or else you are intolerant.

Make sense, didn't think so - carry on.

[Whirled]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news...id=mailsignout

I would buy Mr. Ford non stop beers to hear all the funny things like this^

[Stasis01]

Trump asked what his favorite movie president is.

He says Air Force One because the president sticks up for America.

Ford tells him it's only a movie...

I hate the media so much.

[derpcake]

trump winning would be great for europe, asia, russia, ...

can't wait till he angers more foreign nations

am sure US economy will thrive with an uneducated angry xenophobe at the lead

cheap dollars inc, yes baby! he's guaranteed to do better then bush, for us non-US people!