What attitudes and philosophies do you hate in P1999?

[kaev]

Originally Posted by sox7d [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who's to be the judge of what's valid, rewarding or healthy?

me! me! pick me! :wavesfranticallytodrawattention: pick me! i wanna judge!

will there be stocks and whippings?

[August]

Originally Posted by DarkwingDuck [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm pretty sure they include the price so they don't need to see the 6 messages saying how much? People can offer or not now, bro

I really don't want to go into it, but no.

Player 1 auctions, WTS HBC 3k
Player 2 auctions, WTS HBC 2.9k
Player 1 auctions, WTS HBC 2.8k!!!

this is what i'm talking about. If you are someone who sells something at a set price constantly putting your auctions in your price is a deathknell to your margins because the secondary market will come in and undercut you publically all the time. Since we track auctions here this results in people wanting the secondary market prices on your goods, which makes it not worthwhile.

Furthermore people like the tunnel because they like to haggle and feel like they win. If you put your actual price for an item in the auction you're just a plain idiot. The ratio of people giving me my asking price versus trying to haggle me down is on the upside of 10:1.

Again, people do different things for different reasons. But, if you think that putting your price in an auction is going to sell something QUICKER, you're just wrong.

[Swish]

Agree with August, black sapphires are a good example of it.

If there's no buyers in the zone for them then there's no buyers. You'll likely get lowballed by a fat cat or two, but if people start undercutting then just come back later... stupid shit, and one reason (of many) why everything is on its knees in terms of EC prices.

[kaev]

Originally Posted by August [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I really don't want to go into it, but no.

Player 1 auctions, WTS HBC 3k
Player 2 auctions, WTS HBC 2.9k
Player 1 auctions, WTS HBC 2.8k!!!

this is what i'm talking about. If you are someone who sells something at a set price constantly putting your auctions in your price is a deathknell to your margins because the secondary market will come in and undercut you publically all the time. Since we track auctions here this results in people wanting the secondary market prices on your goods, which makes it not worthwhile.

Furthermore people like the tunnel because they like to haggle and feel like they win. If you put your actual price for an item in the auction you're just a plain idiot. The ratio of people giving me my asking price versus trying to haggle me down is on the upside of 10:1.

Again, people do different things for different reasons. But, if you think that putting your price in an auction is going to sell something QUICKER, you're just wrong.

I find it pretty random really. Sometimes putting up prices moves shit quicker, sometimes just listing item gets immediate inquiries. Listing a price seems to work pretty well most of the time with items that are semi-rare or have an obvious floor.

Also, having a set price is good if you just log your EC trader occasionally for 10-15 minutes. Run your auctions a few times... no buyers? nothing you want to buy? get on a different char and leave the spam behind. If somebody wants what you have and is just hoping for a better price, they'll often buy later that day or the next.

[edit]And I always stop selling the particular item or just bail out of EC when shit like that HBC example happens, you won't lose to the con if you don't play the shell game.[/edit]

[Jenithia]

All the people hating on rangers but as soon as the exp pen goes away and they get WP, it'll be ranger-city all up in here~

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by August [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Furthermore people like the tunnel because they like to haggle and feel like they win. If you put your actual price for an item in the auction you're just a plain idiot. The ratio of people giving me my asking price versus trying to haggle me down is on the upside of 10:1.

Again, people do different things for different reasons. But, if you think that putting your price in an auction is going to sell something QUICKER, you're just wrong.

To your last statement, it depends on the price. If you auction something at a discount it most certainly will sell more quickly. If you auction at a premium then it will make less difference, because many players will assume that if you are not advertising a price then you must be looking t sell at a premium and will not bother messaging. Those whom curiosity gets the best of will inquire the price, but will not bither to haggle because they will understand the two of you are too far apart. By blind auctioning you are really just limiting the size of your market to those who most desire the item and those who are uneducated about it.

As long as knowledge is available of the item's greater market value this method will be slower on average the lower your price is. The higher hour price is, the less difference it will make ^^

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by sox7d [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We invest hours because pixels are prestigious in our little microsociety.

In some shitty country, people are putting large disks in their bottom lip which is prestigious in their little microsociety.

A huge portion of western society just watches TV all day and doesn't aspire to anything.

Who's to be the judge of what's valid, rewarding or healthy?

Hehehe this made me laugh ^^

[TheBlackSheep]

Originally Posted by Mentathiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think there are two types of people who play MMORPGs; there are people who see 1-60 as a race and cannot understand why you are still only in your teens a months after joining and there are those who like to explore and find the limits of their character.

I suppose neither group will ever quite get the other. I mean, my main on Live (a ranger) was in the high 20s after three or four years. I had a guild who always said they would happily help me level faster, but while Unrest was fun, I thought Paludal caverns was boring and was just starting to get into Mistmoore (so I could do my Ivy Etched armour) when I lost interest.

Oh, let's not talk about Unrest. I spent days running around there looking at my feet because the packet loss on my 48k modem over AOL was so bad I couldn't actually look at what I was fighting without going LD. I vowed in 1999 I would never go back there, and I haven't, to this day.

Yeah, I did the whole race thing the day of release up until PoP on live. No thanks. Not this time. I started playing here in 2011 and I'm only level 29. Then again I've been on hiatus since 2012 until about a month ago, so take it for what it's worth. In reality I'm just an old salty bastard now. I look back on those days and can't imagine what I found fun about the level race. Now, I can't sit down in front of a computer without my back hurting after 3 hours.

Last weekend I ran to hell and back just getting my level 29 spells, and sat forever at the docks in TD waiting for the boat to OT. It was fun. Back on live, I would have rage punched the LCD for having to sit and wait for so long.

[Deadlyfury]

Originally Posted by TheBlackSheep [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh, let's not talk about Unrest. I spent days running around there looking at my feet because the packet loss on my 48k modem over AOL was so bad I couldn't actually look at what I was fighting without going LD. I vowed in 1999 I would never go back there, and I haven't, to this day.

I hear at level 30 unrest basement is great [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] hehehe.

One of my pet hates is people who are just about plat, I had a guy try to charge me 200pp for a rez in unrest because of the situation, and this was after me offering 50pp first...

On live I had a druid and I would never ask for a fee to port.

[Kreylyn]

Originally Posted by August [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I really don't want to go into it, but no.

Player 1 auctions, WTS HBC 3k
Player 2 auctions, WTS HBC 2.9k
Player 1 auctions, WTS HBC 2.8k!!!

this is what i'm talking about. If you are someone who sells something at a set price constantly putting your auctions in your price is a deathknell to your margins because the secondary market will come in and undercut you publically all the time. Since we track auctions here this results in people wanting the secondary market prices on your goods, which makes it not worthwhile.

Furthermore people like the tunnel because they like to haggle and feel like they win. If you put your actual price for an item in the auction you're just a plain idiot. The ratio of people giving me my asking price versus trying to haggle me down is on the upside of 10:1.

Again, people do different things for different reasons. But, if you think that putting your price in an auction is going to sell something QUICKER, you're just wrong.

The simple answer is buy out your secondary market and there for remove your competition in prices. Resell (since your clearly saying they are selling under your price) for a profit.

They move the items quickly which is WHY they are pricing them under you, You get to regulate the prices by simple supply/demand, AND you make a profit off every sell that way.


Krey-