What attitudes and philosophies do you hate in P1999?

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[harnold]

1-GMs not taking responsibility for their mistakes/bad decisions and then not doing a thing to fix the awful community/endgame they set up

2-GMs acting angry and confused that they have to spend 50% of their time babysitting/petitionquest with end game guilds, when it is them who set up the raid system this way

3-Idiots who don't understand that NBG is greedy

4-People who think that waking up at 5AM to log in their characters already at character select is called "Competing" and that the ability to do this the fastest (or own a solid state drive) makes them superior

[Evia]

Originally Posted by harnold [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

3-Idiots who don't understand that NBG is greedy

Seriously this. I don't understand this concept AT all. Especially when they act like you're the greedy one because you insist that everyone /roll because it is the most fair and just way to handle loot. If we all do an equal part in the kill, we all should get equal part in a chance at the lewts. Just because a caster can't use the uber haste belt doesn't mean the caster can't sell or trade the belt in EC to better equip themselves. NBG is such a biased and flawed concept if the item can be traded.

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Evia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Seriously this. I don't understand this concept AT all. Especially when they act like you're the greedy one because you insist that everyone /roll because it is the most fair and just way to handle loot. If we all do an equal part in the kill, we all should get equal part in a chance at the lewts. Just because a caster can't use the uber haste belt doesn't mean the caster can't sell or trade the belt in EC to better equip themselves. NBG is such a biased and flawed concept if the item can be traded.

This argument has been being made (and ignored) since forever. Pretty sure I saw t first on alt.games.everquest in 1999, no doubt it was already old then.

The thing to remember is that, while NBG is a terrible loot distribution system, it's a fantastic social ice-breaker and guild recruitment tool. If you're being purely mercenary, /ran everything and hug your self-righteousness tight to try to keep warm in the cold, cold world of PixelQuest. If you're trying to make friends, be ready to NBG pretty much anything that isn't a really big deal.

But... Never, ever, EVER, trust anybody who claims NBG for themselves, I haven't met one yet who was honest. NBG is something that must be given, if NBG is being claimed as a rationale to take loot you can bet it's pure selfish greed and probably involves multiple lies.

[Blaza]

Originally Posted by kaev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This argument has been being made (and ignored) since forever. Pretty sure I saw t first on alt.games.everquest in 1999, no doubt it was already old then.

The thing to remember is that, while NBG is a terrible loot distribution system, it's a fantastic social ice-breaker and guild recruitment tool. If you're being purely mercenary, /ran everything and hug your self-righteousness tight to try to keep warm in the cold, cold world of PixelQuest. If you're trying to make friends, be ready to NBG pretty much anything that isn't a really big deal.

But... Never, ever, EVER, trust anybody who claims NBG for themselves, I haven't met one yet who was honest. NBG is something that must be given, if NBG is being claimed as a rationale to take loot you can bet it's pure selfish greed and probably involves multiple lies.

Its easier to just pass on your roll giving the person who legit needs th item a better shot at it. This is for lower end items, high end items should always be rolled on, unless you are grouping exclusively for a camp, in which case once you get your hiero or fungi or whatever you should pass until everyone has it.

[Ziggy]

Instance on "classic" instead of making the game better.

[stakha]

Originally Posted by Blaza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its easier to just pass on your roll giving the person who legit needs th item a better shot at it. This is for lower end items, high end items should always be rolled on, unless you are grouping exclusively for a camp, in which case once you get your hiero or fungi or whatever you should pass until everyone has it.

Or roll and if you win give it to the person

[Evia]

Originally Posted by kaev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The thing to remember is that, while NBG is a terrible loot distribution system, it's a fantastic social ice-breaker and guild recruitment tool. If you're being purely mercenary, /ran everything and hug your self-righteousness tight to try to keep warm in the cold, cold world of PixelQuest. If you're trying to make friends, be ready to NBG pretty much anything that isn't a really big deal.

I'm not saying I've never agreed to NBG or passed on a valuable items because I knew someone else would be better served to use it. Sometimes NBG does make sense in some scenarios and to be honest I probably agree with the concept and with using it more often then not. My problem with it is the persistent argument, and actual belief, that NBG is super fair and the most unselfish loot system. It's absolutely not. The people who generally support it and insist on using it tend to argue that it's the fairest system and that having everyone /random is super selfish and greedy. I wholeheartedly disagree and cannot comprehend that way of thinking. If you want to use NBG because you are pals and friends with everyone in the group, or because you just wanna be a nice guy/gal, then great! but don't argue that it's somehow less greedy or more fair. Logically giving everyone equal right to /random IS the only 100% fair system. Plain and simple.

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Evia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not saying I've never agreed to NBG or passed on a valuable items because I knew someone else would be better served to use it. Sometimes NBG does make sense in some scenarios. My problem with it is the persistent argument, and actual belief, that NBG is super fair and the most unselfish loot system. It's absolutely not. The people who generally support it and insist on using it tend to argue that it's the fairest system and that having everyone /random is super selfish and greedy. I wholeheartedly disagree and cannot comprehend that way of thinking. To me, logically, the fairest system is giving everyone who participated a fair shot at the loot.

You can lead a human to reason, but you can't make him think. Anybody who believes that NBG is fair is emoting rather than thinking. Priests, ministers, and other political hacks, not to mention stand-up comedians, actors championing various causes, mass-media scriptwriters, and an endless assortment of plutocrats and wannabe plutocrats, are all deeply indebted to such people for their livelyhoods.

[Kutsumo]

Originally Posted by Evia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not saying I've never agreed to NBG or passed on a valuable items because I knew someone else would be better served to use it. Sometimes NBG does make sense in some scenarios and to be honest I probably agree with the concept and with using it more often then not. My problem with it is the persistent argument, and actual belief, that NBG is super fair and the most unselfish loot system. It's absolutely not. The people who generally support it and insist on using it tend to argue that it's the fairest system and that having everyone /random is super selfish and greedy. I wholeheartedly disagree and cannot comprehend that way of thinking. If you want to use NBG because you are pals and friends with everyone in the group, or because you just wanna be a nice guy/gal, then great! but don't argue that it's somehow less greedy or more fair. Logically giving everyone equal right to /random IS the only 100% fair system. Plain and simple.

Should also be considered that some classes would receive nearly nothing at certain camps if NBG was always in effect, and they'd feel resentful of inviting the class that would want to "need" the item. I see it all the time in KC, people don't want to invite the monk because they so often expect NBG on the pipe which just so happens to be one of the more valuable items for the hand camp.