What attitudes and philosophies do you hate in P1999?

[Pint]

Originally Posted by Xer0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can't speak for hackers or exploiters, but the map that I remember didn't show everything in zone; just physical borders. zone walls, entrnaces and the like. ALl the same information I can get from a wiki map, which I will ALWAYS have open for a zone that I am unfamiliar with.

Also if that's not classic why do we allow use of the wiki maps? Same feature, just not in game. Were wiki's a thing back then?

I'm just saying it was worth the inconvenience to get this ability removed

[Xer0]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ingame maps are far more helpful than EQAtlas maps. Especially if you don't understand how the /loc systems/grid works. Which a lot of people don't.

Ingame maps would show where your character was in the zone as well as anything you added to the map file. Whether that be walls, static NPCs, hell you could've even followed Quillmane and created a set of lines that show his exact Pathing and left those in the file.

But Maps are only one aspect I mention. Stuff like multiple hotbars and cycle NPC/PC hotkeys are much more important to remove to help return some "challenge" to the game.

I use quotes because difficulty and convenience are often synonymous in everquest. Tedium was a challenge for some to overcome. Thus why not many hit 250 Tailoring for example.

Again you're confgusing convenience with ease.

Maps do not make the game easier.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

• (Grouper in OT) Bard is in OT. He is the reason for my terrible exp gain in this ramp group even though there are plenty of rhinos and tigers around. Not because OT is a horrible zone to group in. Time to petition without talking to him OR shout in OOC

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[Swish]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Luclin graphic hate is so strong here I'm positive its glow off the monitor causes some people physical pain.

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[Ele]

Originally Posted by Xer0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again you're confgusing convenience with ease.

Maps do not make the game easier.

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[Waedawen]

And to answer the OP:

Originally Posted by Xer0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Granted even I in my perpetual noobish state am starting to learn to navigate the majority of zones without the aid of a map

People in self-admitted 'states of perpetual noobdom' expecting to be taken seriously. It's just as smug and absurd as a foreigner criticizing the customs of a foreign land. Yes, there is no map. That's the way it is. That's the way it will be. If you REALLY want to be a wise guy, the in game 'maps' weren't even maps -- it was a cartography tool with which you had to draw the maps yourself. So even if you didn't 'know' the zone before, you certainly knew it by the time you finished drawing the damn map.

But of course, you probably just went to eqmaps and downloaded a pre-drawn map pack. And that is what people are actually bitching about. Which just shows the absurdity of humoring these people for even a second because they just really don't understand how wrong they are.

"Shit's classic" is a catchphrase invented with the express purpose to rile up the people who can not understand the concept of, "No, that's not the way it is for an extraordinary gamut of reasons, and I can't be bothered to explain it to you because it would literally be a waste of breath." It's not a matter of cherry picking or this or that. Most of the time it boils down to "that would be great but this is the way it is get over it."

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Pint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its cool to me that once you hit 60 you can still customize the way you play and we arnt all using the same 8 spells to accomplish stuff I guess. Mesmerize is strong but my always up mezzes are entrance and mesmerization. I do use mesmerization for its blur component occasionally though.

This is truth. Do love how its not all the same.

[Priceline]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ingame maps are far more helpful than EQAtlas maps. Especially if you don't understand how the /loc systems/grid works. Which a lot of people don't.

Ingame maps would show where your character was in the zone as well as anything you added to the map file. Whether that be walls, static NPCs, hell you could've even followed Quillmane and created a set of lines that show his exact Pathing and left those in the file.

But Maps are only one aspect I mention. Stuff like multiple hotbars and cycle NPC/PC hotkeys are much more important to remove to help return some "challenge" to the game.

I use quotes because difficulty and convenience are often synonymous in everquest. Tedium was a challenge for some to overcome. Thus why not many hit 250 Tailoring for example.

content (velious 2016!!) should be what makes the game more challenging NOT removing the ability to use a map, compass, hotkeys, spellbookless meditation, etc.. these were added as quality of life changes and didn't make the game ezmode.

many of us were there when these changes came into effect on live and personally I don't recall suddenly being able to 1 button mash my way to raid kills. results may vary i guess?

[iruinedyourday]

social anxiety disorder makes me want to find people irl and smash faces.

[fiveeauxfour]

too much min maxing