Alternatives to variance to increase competition (veterans and relevant only)

[Gaffin 7.0]

variance is horrible no one wants to wait around 6-12 hrs if a mob is past his spawn

what kinda game does that?

[lite]

Originally Posted by Gaffin 7.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

variance is horrible no one wants to wait around 6-12 hrs if a mob is past his spawn

what kinda game does that?

there's no waiting around, there's pvping around.

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by Chuck_still_a_virgin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because none of this matters. If Lite recruited 100 new players and had them geared to the teeth, his guild would monopolize all of the raid mobs. Everyone from Nihilum would jump ship and join Lite's guild. They would be the ones killing every raid mob in the game on the same day in the same exact order every week. Then we'd have the same problem with a different guild name. The problem is that with no variance, it will always revert back to the mean.

This happened like 3-4 months ago. Nobody jumped ship. We actually gained a lot of recruits that are now geared to the tits (like Ksah) because they fought the good fight and won.

The reason nobody has toppled Nihilum permanently isn't because there hasn't been forces capable in the past, it's because nobody had the endurance to keep pushing.

You want to keep blaming us, but in reality we're nowhere near the size of a typical top guild on an EQ live server. Even blue there are probably 5 guilds with twice as many people as us. In order to continue to have success raiding into Velious we need this many people, if not more. 50 man raids are the standard in that expansion, not overkill.

If you guys want 10x 20 man guilds duking it out you're playing on the wrong server at the wrong time and the wrong game.

[Chuck_still_a_virgin]

Originally Posted by Gaffin 7.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

variance is horrible no one wants to wait around 6-12 hrs if a mob is past his spawn

what kinda game does that?

Well sure, who wants to have spawn windows when you can kill Nagefen at 8:00pm, kill Vox at 8:07pm, then kill Trakanon at 8:13pm, don't forget to pass "Go" and collect your $200dkp, then you can log off until the next spawn day. Just make sure to check the spreadsheet for spawn times.

Then you can go on the forums and say "Well no one contested us when we only had 20 players on last night" as a claim to why variance wouldn't work. I can't even understand how one could even arrive at a conclusion like that. Logically it makes absolutely no sense. We've had almost 3 years of data to prove how terrible "no variance" system is, and yet people try to use that data to attack "variance" system. I'd like to think it's just common sense to see these things, but maybe I am just smarter than most of you.

[Gaffin 7.0]

Originally Posted by lite [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

there's no waiting around, there's pvping around.

Im all for a change and on no ones side but how you think that would last?

Really doesnt seem any difference why not be there at a spawn timer and PvP

Why do you need variance to do so?

[lite]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The reason nobody has toppled Nihilum permanently isn't because there hasn't been forces capable in the past, it's because nobody had the endurance to keep pushing.

wrong, the reason noone has toppled nihilism is because noone has a desire to play like Nihilum. Investing the kind of hours, and guilding with absolutely anyone and everyone despite disliking them.

When contesting Nihilum occurs it immidiately becomes a game of who can keep recruiting faster. Some people have no interest in tossing everyone a tag.

[Laugher]

could always push for blue to red char xfers, quickest way to get a pixeled crew over with minimal work in regards to getting a sizeable competition going on red 99s end game content

no transfer back

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[Kergan]

Originally Posted by Chuck_still_a_virgin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

God, HB, even you know this is a bullshit argument.

If the 1927 New York Yankees were stretching on the field, a high school team COULD have run on the field, hit a few home runs and say they beat the yankees. The reality is, all the yankees have to do is stand up and beat the shit out of them.

The problem is systemic in the server. It doesn't matter if it's Nihilum, it could be any guild monopolizing the raid mobs. All it takes to recruit someone is say "Hey, if you don't join us you'll never get loot". The loot pinata is set up every week at the same time, monopoly guild rolls down the hill and knocks down every single mob in order. Even in your example, if the mob was stolen, so what? You guys stand up and play real baseball next week by logging in 60 players and watch the other guild log off for 3 months or have their members recruited into the monopoly guild. Then you blame the 2nd place guilds for not competing. The rules of the server kill raid mob pvp and they kill guilds as a result. Variance allows more guilds to be formed, not create a monopoly on every mob in the game.

The worst part is that Nihilum members can't voice dissent, they can't say variance is a good idea. Not because they believe it, but because Nizzar will guildremove them and blacklist them from ever getting loot. Rogean has created a dictator in Nizzar. I haven't played on this server in 2-2.5 years, I'm about as unbiased as you can get. Anyone against variance is a shill or just doesn't understand high level thought.

So lets use your 1927 Yankees example. The Yankees won the world series in '27 and '28, but not in '24, '25, '26, '29 or '30. Were the Yankees the best team in the '20s? Without a doubt, some of the best teams of all time. Did they win it every year? Nope. Because other teams actually played against them and occasionally won.

And we can have our own opinions, believe it or not. If I was pro-variance I'd say it. People act like guild officers are running Nihilum like a communist regime, censoring people voicing dissent. It just isn't true, even in the slightest. I haven't seen someone in the last year get guild removed over anything other than being a terrible EQ player and messing up raids or being a complete douche. And even then it was only apps. The only FQing that is going to get you in trouble is if you're attacking members of the guild for some reason.

Kinda funny a thread titled "alternatives to variance" devolves into yet another dead horse variance debate.

[Zalaerian]

Cast

There is no mobilization. Mobilization will be logging off your TOV character to your Kael character. Some will need to transit to targets but people will have chars there buffed rdy to go like seb an Kc now. 3am spwns while not ideal for EST players will be compensated by our euro team. Most will bare the pain tho and just log in at 3am.

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by lite [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

wrong, the reason noone has toppled nihilism is because noone has a desire to play like Nihilum. Investing the kind of hours, and guilding with absolutely anyone and everyone despite disliking them.

When contesting Nihilum occurs it immidiately becomes a game of who can keep recruiting faster. Some people have no interest in tossing everyone a tag.

You're saying the same thing. You guys never wanted to do what it takes to stay on top. Call it endurance, call it neckbearding, call it "investing the kind of hours and guilding with absolutely anyone".

The funny part is while there is a big part of the guild that goes balls deep in this game, Nihilum is easily the most casual friendly guild on R99. Easy to find groups, don't have any sort of raid attendance requirement...basically play when you want, show up when you can. Nobody calls people out for having 20% RA, or even 5%.