Achmed Spreads Islam, Tries to find the Snackbar

[Nisse]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok. So there has never been anything science related that has been purposefully falsified to provide a predetermined answer?

From the same article.

A theory is accepted not based on the prestige or convincing powers of the proponent, but on the results obtained through observations and/or experiments which anyone can reproduce: the results obtained using the scientific method are repeatable. In fact, most experiments and observations are repeated many times (certain experiments are not repeated independently but are repeated as parts of other experiments). If the original claims are not verified the origin of such discrepancies is hunted down and exhaustively studied.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Nisse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

From the same article.

Doesn't answer the question. I'm not disputing the scientific method. I'm saying that scientists can be just as likely to have an agenda as anyone else. They're still human after all. The scientific method can be bypassed or pushed to the side in lieu of an agenda. Its certainly happened before.

[Ames who?]

The song playing throughout most of the video sounds pretty cool but these dudes are some real sick fuckers. They will all end up dead soon themselves anyway. Live by the sword and get blown up by a drone.

[Ames who?]

The ISIS won't ever be able to take control of the entire country though. Iran won't let that happen and neither will the kurds or the U.S.A.

[phacemeltar]

are you sure that ISIS is a religious organization? i cannot understand arabic, so i do not know what is being said. it seems as though they are only attacking military officials, which is very different from radical religious zealots who attack random people.

from what i can tell by watching this propaganda video, all of their efforts seem to be tactical and organized. but im only at 13 minutes..

[phacemeltar]

nevermind, it gets better.

[Nisse]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Doesn't answer the question. I'm not disputing the scientific method. I'm saying that scientists can be just as likely to have an agenda as anyone else. They're still human after all. The scientific method can be bypassed or pushed to the side in lieu of an agenda. Its certainly happened before.

Of course scientists have/will continue to be subject to the same faults and biases the rest of us have. But at least the medium they are using to further their own agenda has built in self correcting mechanisms to account for human nature. A big part of the scientific method is identifying flaws in the methodology that lead to researcher bias, even when they themselves are unaware it's taking place. Double blinding in medical trials for instance. Science is certainly not a perfect system but I am unaware of a better way to evaluate truth claims at this point in time.

An example of the point I believe you are trying to make would be Lysenkoism (Lysenkoism is used metaphorically to describe the manipulation or distortion of the scientific process as a way to reach a predetermined conclusion as dictated by an ideological bias, often related to social or political objectives) which was based on the faulty Lamarckian hypothesis known as the inheritance of acquired characteristics, which while popular, and supported by the soviet union, had the unfortunate side effect of being incorrect and caused the science of genetics in russia to stagnate and fall significantly behind the west continuing even to the modern era.

So I agree with you to the extent that science can be bastardized to further a personal or political objective (vaccines and autism, the tobacco industry and lung cancer research) the methodology and principles of science will eventually bare out the facts, since the object of hypothesis testing is to disprove your hypothesis, not support it.

[MrSparkle001]

It's a stable region with a stable population. Peace is possible. I'm pretty sure that's the entire point of their video.

[Ahldagor]

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[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Uthgaard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

On a small scale, occasionally, but if you think there's some global conspiracy level bullshit, it's just not possible by the very nature of publication and peer review. There's no secret initiation before becoming a scientist, and publications with bad hypotheses get retracted regularly when the data isn't reproducible.

Invariably, bad data that actually gets published is typically falsified because someone doesn't want to lose their funding, not some top lel conspiracy to defraud the public.

So there have only been small scale and inconsequential frauds that have happened within the scientific community? There hasn't ever been anything that was later proven a fraud that was of global importance?