Attention All Item Loot Fans

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Originally Posted by DrScience [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

WHAT ITEMS WILL YOU EVEN HAVE?

this

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Originally Posted by Potus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You risk absolutely nothing being a naked caster and ganging up on people with items. They were endemic on all item loot pvp servers.

So the solution for some naked casters risking nothing is for everyone to risk nothing? Naked casters are pretty hard to kill bro so I can understand why this would be such a huge concern.

Originally Posted by Potus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And yes, no one will play a melee. My evidence? Every fucking item loot server that's ever existed.

LOL.

Originally Posted by Potus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your population will be next to nothing. My evidence? Every fucking item loot server that's ever existed.

Rallos Zek had by far the largest population of any of the Zeks pre-Merge. (300+ in Bazaar vs Sullons ~70.)

Sounds like you want the exact same server we have right now, but with the Server rules dictating who you can and cannot attack(Hurr teams). Maybe you could just play red99 and roleplay and not kill short races or something? Or even better check out this game:
http://us.battle.net/en/int?r=wow

Super High Pop, no scary naked casters, and all the meaningless pvp you could ever want.

[Potus]

Originally Posted by dogbarf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So the solution for some naked casters risking nothing is for everyone to risk nothing? Naked casters are pretty hard to kill bro so I can understand why this would be such a huge concern.

Hah you think there's no risk in regular pvp. I guess you enjoy medding to full, corpse runs, and being camped. I mean there's no penalty for dying right now, it's why no one ever gates, plugs, or fights back. Dying is fun. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rallos Zek had by far the largest population of any of the Zeks pre-Merge. (300+ in Bazaar vs Sullons ~70.)

Uhh no it didn't. Vallon and Tallon both had way more people that Rallos. Pretty sure you never played EQ before 2001, so I now understand why you're pro-item loot.

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Originally Posted by Potus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You risk absolutely nothing being a naked caster and ganging up on people with items.

Originally Posted by Potus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hah you think there's no risk in regular pvp. I guess you enjoy medding to full, corpse runs, and being camped. I mean there's no penalty for dying right now, it's why no one ever gates, plugs, or fights back. Dying is fun. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you seriously this stupid? You can't even keep your stance straight for two back to back posts? You should probably stop posting, you are embarrassing yourself. #rekt

Originally Posted by Potus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Uhh no it didn't. Vallon and Tallon both had way more people that Rallos. Pretty sure you never played EQ before 2001, so I now understand why you're pro-item loot.

100% bullshit.

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I don't think these RZ guys appreciate the different dynamic between a Teams and an FFA server. Under FFA rules, item loot makes more sense because it actually gives you a reason for killing random people. On a teams server, you don't need a reason. You kill people on the enemy team because they are your enemy, period. You PvP because you are competing over spawns, zone control and dungeon access. And just for fun.

So fucking sick of hearing the argument that item loot encourages PvP because it gives people a reason to fight. Complete bullshit. It does the opposite. It might incentivize these rabid PKs to gank people, but most people will respond to item loot by minimizing their exposure to PvP as much as possible - either by not playing on the server at all, running away/bagging instantly, or rolling with a zerg for protection.

The most important thing is encouraging a high population and balanced teams. If those two conditions are met then there will be plenty of meaningful PvP. Item loot does nothing to encourage either, and a lot to reduce population. It's literally the single worst idea possible for this server, unless the goal is to have Teams fail harder than Red (which, not coincidentally, is exactly what a lot of item loot proponents want to see).

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Originally Posted by dogbarf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you seriously this stupid? You can't even keep your stance straight for two back to back posts? You should probably stop posting, you are embarrassing yourself. #rekt

Oh sweet taking two quotes about different server rulesets out of context. If you can't see the difference in risk v. reward on a regular pvp server and an item loot server then you're clearly a noob.

100% bullshit.

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Server pop list from 2001.

You probably shouldn't be telling people to stop posting. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Originally Posted by dogbarf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rallos Zek had by far the largest population of any of the Zeks pre-Merge. (300+ in Bazaar vs Sullons ~70.)

Originally Posted by Potus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You probably shouldn't be telling people to stop posting. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its like you can't even read. I mention the bazaar and pre-zek merge population and you post a picture from 2001. The funny thing is the picture you post contradicts everything you say about item loot killing population. In your chosen snapshot we see rallos with 27 less players than Vallon. HOLY FUCKING SHIT. ITEM LOOT IS KILLED THE POP. I bet those 1677 players are all naked wizards. LOL.

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Originally Posted by dogbarf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its like you can't even read. I mention the bazaar and pre-zek merge population and you post a picture from 2001. The funny thing is the picture you post contradicts everything you say about item loot killing population. In your chosen snapshot we see rallos with 27 less players than Vallon. HOLY FUCKING SHIT. ITEM LOOT IS KILLED THE POP. I bet those 1677 players are all naked wizards. LOL.

Look at that backpeddle. That pic is pre-merge, so your attempt to flip flop failed. You mention the bazaar because you never played during item loot and don't know what you're talking about.

Also 3524 is more than 1677. When Tallon launched so many people joined it Verant had to take it down and open Vallon a week later. Both servers kept crashing for a month from overpopulation while Rallos bled players. When Sullon opened the population on Rallos dropped even more.

Stop posting.