Players will always compete for raid mobs; the point of contention is the rules - Page 31

Nietche · #**301** 08-09-2013, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Nietche [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wat?

I'm talking about the reasons for why guilds try to corner the market on dragons. Tracking is a part of that, just like sitting and watching (pick a number) hours of video prepares a pitcher for the next baseball game. Both cases require prepatory work (tracking vs. watching video), and both require dedication and an attempt to corner the market on "winning."

Spitty · #**302** 08-09-2013, 03:15 PM

Sorry, who are you and what do you have to do with my comment?

Spitty · #**303** 08-09-2013, 03:24 PM

Some would say it's a righteous infliction of retribution manifested by an appropriate agent.

Not to derail the topic, but I was more commenting on how quickly the web population engages with the "you mad" when a disagreement is reached.

Orruar · #**304** 08-09-2013, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Spitty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The Idiot Defense - you have identified my flaws, therefore you must be mad.

I am saddened that we live in a world where pointing out the stupid is automatically read as an angry gesture.

Indeed. It's unclear why the "umad" rebuttal is so widely used. It's not as if by making someone angry, you have somehow validated anything you have said.

Orruar · #**305** 08-09-2013, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by labmonkey42 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He's not pointing out flaws, he's just calling me stupid because he doesn't understand the core of the matter which is that whining on the forums really isn't accomplishing anything.

It's a people problem. If you think that if you disagree with me I'm automatically stupid, you're part of the problem.

No no no, don't miread. I was certainly pointing out your flaws. Since you apparently have dictionary.com bookmarked, why don't you look up "contradiction" and consider how it might apply to your posts in this thread. Hint: Definition 3 is the one I am referring to.

kaev · #**306** 08-09-2013, 03:41 PM

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Indeed. It's unclear why the "umad" rebuttal is so widely used. It's not as if by making someone angry, you have somehow validated anything you have said.

umad is just itrollu spelt differently. Neither validates anything Both suggest that the poster lacks the ability to form a cogent argument on the topic.

Splorf22 · #**307** 08-09-2013, 03:43 PM

Nietche I already explained why your baseball analogy was terrible but obviously you didn't get it.

1. Practice is not NECESSARY to play sports. It is NECESSARY to track to raid on P1999.

2. Practicing sports is basically fun. Tracking is basically fucking stupid.

3. Tracking is the result of a stupid (and non-classic) rule change. I then gave an example of rule changes in basketball to make the game more fun.

Saying 'Tracking and its associated waste of time is valid on P1999 because pro sports require practice time' is like saying 'mice and whales both weigh the same because both are mammals'. In other words its fucking stupid.

Aaryonar · #**308** 08-09-2013, 06:58 PM

Watching videos of a sport makes you better because you are watching people actually play it. Tracking is watching nothing, for long periods of time.

People watch baseball videos to get better at baseball by watching technique, much like an EQ player could get better at EQ by watching videos of other raid guilds raiding targets. People don't watch empty fields where no one is playing baseball, because they probably won't learn anything to better themselves, much like tracking teaches nothing about the game of everquest.

It is necessary to track on this server in order to get raid mobs, no doubt, but likening that to practice or watching the game being played is not an apt comparison. There are youtube vids of raid guilds killing targets, and you can warm up with chardok royals or ixiblat or something if you're looking to practice.

I don't really understand what you're not getting, Nietche.

If baseball's core ruleset meant that the first team on the field invariably won the most, and if these baseball games occurred randomly, people would probably sit around watching an empty field for the 20-40 hours before a game starts, waiting so they don't miss a baseball game that may or may not start in some predetermined time-range after the last game happened. If that was baseball, I bet most people would say it's a stupid game.

webrunner5 · #**309** 08-09-2013, 07:19 PM

Nothing wrong with tracking. When you are a "noob" in a high end guild guess what. You will be a tracking whore, batphone whore. You think you are going to get top gear and be the main tank in a week. Think if you are in the 5th or 6th top guild on here that you are going to get the "gold ring" every other week. Yeah right. God, half the people on here just think they ought to get everything for free. You people complaining are just crazy.

Aaryonar · #**310** 08-09-2013, 07:27 PM

Not really disagreeing with tracking in general whatsoever. I think you'd see a bit of it even with variance removed, I've certainly done my fair share, and it's absolutely the only way to stay competitive with predictable variance windows.

I don't agree with current variance, but that's another conversation altogether. I'm just not really sure why nietche is defending such a poor analogy, that's all.