Players will always compete for raid mobs; the point of contention is the rules

[Uggme]

Jesus, Webrunner. Do you ever post anything positive? You're seriously the grumpiest old man I've seen on these forums.

Midlife crisis got ya down? Based on your post count and join date do you even realize you've made an average of 3 posts per day, all of which are negative and whiny drivel? I rounded up to accomodate for posts in RnF.

Someone needs an attitude adjustment. But then again, it's pretty hard to teach and old dog new tricks. Maybe you just need to step away from the computer and come back when you've made some improvements to your attitude.

What people on this thread are proposing is to bring some structure back to VP for everyone. We all know cockblocking can't be stopped entirely. However, by implementing a set of fair and 'normal' rules for VP you can begin to reign in the nonsense that already takes place in there.

[Gnomersy]

Originally Posted by webrunner5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And like COCKBLOCKS never happened on Live. People have very short memories. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why does everyone reference live when it benefits their argument?? GMs have stated a hundred billion times this emu has its own set of rules loosely based on live rules.
For the sake of argument no, no one cock blocked on emarr we had a schedule between the top 3 guilds and we stuck to it, even threw some underling guilds a bone occasionally when we were bored/uninterested.

[FenninEQaddict]

This thread... And the 50 others in past month all follow a common line. They start out saying they dont want drama and arent targetting anyone specifically then they immediately attack either the GMs because they arent changing things to the way the poster wants or TMO/FE/IB. Dont say you dont want drama knowing that the thread you are starting follows similar lines of so many before.

The GMs are doing what they are doing for themselves and their friends. The fact that you have fun is secondary in the end. Yes they want more players but it isnt specifically for you. It isnt like your paying a subscription to play. Dont bash them in threads or attack them for not fixing what you want fixed immediately and then expect them to make changes or care about your opinions.

Im sure they would appreciate another impartial fair GM to help with some of the work load. Now in the mystical land of fairytale there are such people but here in P99 land thats probably pretty hard to find.

The guilds like TMO are on top not through favoritism but through hard work. IB was on top and seems to be coming back as they are getting alot of the mobs they are competing with TMO for. Dont say its an impossible fight to beat TMO. Step up grow a pair and start fighting them for what you want. Oh and people at the top are always hated so will you next start attacking the guild that unseats TMO or will you rejoice and suddenly go silent?

VP from what I can tell takes no effort to actually train mobs on people TMO from what I know TMO is better at training themselves than FE ever was at training them and thats unintentional. So there is no way you could safely say that trains wouldnt happen there. This would just be another nightmare for GMs to deal with. Though it would be fun to watch the twitch tv stream of it if Sirken would run it along with the petitions that would come along.

Tasslehof arent you tagged TMO now why the hate for them I swear I saw you tagged and a bunch of corpses in KC the other night. I hear Merkk is apping TMO so it seems there are some who have realized that there is a third option over forcing change or creating a stronger raid force or raid co op. If you cant beat them or force them to change then join them.

[Nirgon]

You either enjoy racing to raid mobs or competing from them or you don't like the EQ raid scene.

The problem here is the length of Kunark and how many players are lvl 60 with all content completed aside from raid gearing numerous alts.

At least you can buy raid loot here, and its easy to find if you have the plat.

I mean, shit, you can sell 2 fungis and buy 3 cleric epics or some shit here.

[fastboy21]

Its not like this is a new game...

This server isn't about improving EQ, those were valid discussions 13 years ago.

If you want some kind of server token system I suggest you try another server (I believe this is exactly what Toop does on his server, btw).

[Vaildez]

Originally Posted by Gnomersy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why does everyone reference live when it benefits their argument?? GMs have stated a hundred billion times this emu has its own set of rules loosely based on live rules.
For the sake of argument no, no one cock blocked on emarr we had a schedule between the top 3 guilds and we stuck to it, even threw some underling guilds a bone occasionally when we were bored/uninterested.

I definitely remembered this on Emarr.. As a result of not being douche bags in end game raiding they were mostly respected.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by labmonkey42 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you refuse (rightly or not) to take the only path currently available to you, then you don't want your pixels badly enough. If you want things to change, campaign productively. Whining about how much you don't like the way things are will only disenfranchise people with any ability to help make the change and entice other people to just make fun of you.

Every single one of your insults WEAKENS YOUR POSITION AND THAT OF EVERY PERSON WHO AGREES WITH YOU. There have been several people who have made positive, calm, rational arguments for alternative solutions WITHOUT complaining about hurt feelings or things being more difficult than what they are willing to accept. I applaud those people. Why can't you learn from them?

Your posts have been quite contradictory. First you take the stance that people don't want pixels badly enough and they should just try harder in game. Your very first post on this topic stated "Look, the bottom line here is that this is a people problem, not a rules problem." Then you go on to say how people just need to try harder to win within the current rules. Now you are saying trying to change the rules is ok, but only if you do it productively, which is exactly the point of this entire thread. Loraen has been quite productive in his threads on this topic. Your responses that essentially boil down to "you don't love pixels enough" have been anything but productive.

Your second paragraph begins with a rather bizarre claim, and then takes a turn into strawman country. As it was written by a person who has a brain that produces self-contradictory material in rapid succession, I'll take it all as a compliment.

And if you get upset at my insults towards the bottom-feeding community of this server, it leads me to believe you are a part of this community, or at least you see yourself as a bottom-feeder. Don't be so hard on yourself. I'm sure you're a super person. The ability to think rationally and clearly is not for everyone. We all have our own strengths and I'm sure you'll find yours.

[Orruar]

And btw, my insults are not meant as a means of affecting a change of the rules. They are meant to shame the individuals who have led the raiding game on this server to where it is today. Your apparent anger over this leads me to believe that I'm being effective. When people feel shame, they often get angry, then hopefully they learn to avoid the behaviors that led to the shame in the first place.

[Gnomersy]

^behavioral modification 101

[Nietche]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They are meant to shame the individuals who have led the raiding game on this server to where it is today.

Any guild on a server such as this one would have ended up being hated for the same reasons, had they been successful at consistently killing dragons.

One part of this game which no one in this thread has mentioned (maybe Tassiepants did, but I skimmed his novella) is that it takes gear upgrades to kill bigger and badder dragons and thus stay ahead of your competition who want the same pixels.

Because this isn't WoW (thank God), there is nothing to stop top guilds from trying to corner the market (dragons) in order to maximize the necessary, upgraded pixels which get awarded to the toons used to kill the bad ass dragons (in VP). In fact, the necessity for toons to have upgraded pixels to kill the bad ass dragons incentivizes the need to corner the market on dragon kills in order to (1) get there at all; to (2) get there first; and to (3) stay there.

TL;DR: If you don't understand how the machination of competition works to perpetuate success and failure and their epiphenomenal feelings of hatred, fear, respect, and so on, please join your local (pick a sport) league. It's just the way it is, unless you're a "principle of utility" fanatic, which almost no one is on this server.