Players will always compete for raid mobs; the point of contention is the rules

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by xmonkx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cant answer the question can you? Guess you're too smart.

says the guy who was demanding a proof of negative. this is rich.

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by xmonkx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cant answer the question can you? Guess you're too smart.

I can't answer question for events that occurred when I wasn't a part of the guild. You do realize a lot of the guild has changed at FE right ? The people who caused any kind of suspension may be in another guild now. You also realize any guild that has actually raided competitively on this server has usually ended up suspended at one time or another.... Right ? No guild has clean hands when in comes to suspensions if we are comparing TMO and FE which I was not trying to do. I was talking about the raid scene in general. I will state again to you to hopefully comprehend... I have no problems with your guild and hold no grudges. Stop trying to continuously make this out to be one guild vs. the other.

[grosen333]

Originally Posted by xmonkx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Funny because I am former Afterlife. So is a handful of other TMO members that I also played with in classic.

Actually Afterlife (as a whole guild) would never train another guild, nor would they take other guild raid bosses from em.... so what does a former player of afterlife have on being classic, <--- from mith mar server as well!!! and you guys left to go to WOW, if i am correct because you guys didn't have enough raid content if i recall and that the devs at WOW let you guys in the BETA for testing... How does this server feel when TMO is taking every damn raid mob (or training or ksing) and leaving nothing left for other guilds on P99. Just so you can twink your alts...

[Estu]

Didn't read the thread; just wanted to say I loved the OP.

[Nirgon]

For the last time, VP is a no CSR involvement zone in classic. This holds true for Sleeper's in Velious.

[skipdog]

For me, tokens would defuse any interest I have in this server. Motivation to have highly sought after and hard to get gear keeps many of us playing. A lot of us know that gear is likely never going to get in our hands, but we keep going. It adds meaning to our time spent playing the game, makes the loot matter because it's so difficult to get and makes getting in on these raid mob kills more satisfying.

If there were tokens, this server would become so much like WoW, where all guilds can just ignore all other guilds, and every person who wants BiS just joins a guild and gets it with very minimal hours invested/week.

Honestly, I think people forget that this is EQ. The people with the most time and dedication should have the best things. It has always been this way. It was true in classic and it should be true here.

Trying to smear 'being organized, being dedicated and being capable of fast mobilization' as not being competition just seems really silly, when it's been established on this server for so long that this is what competition is meant to be. It also seems to me like the truest competition when we are talking about EQ.. the game defined by grinding for completely ridiculous amounts of time and holding money camps for even more ridiculous amounts of time.

I won't argue on the simulated server repops, that certainly should be in place by now.

But honestly, trying to say that raid tokens would fuel competition by guilds to beat bosses with fewest people possible is the most laughable statement I've read on these forums in awhile. Yeah competition to beat super old laughably easy raid content with fewer people for absolutely no benefit is really going to motivate guilds... rofl.

[Nirgon]

Are your lives about VP loot? Is there nothing else for you in this game? Jees.

[SCB]

Originally Posted by skipdog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If there were tokens, this server would become so much like WoW, where all guilds can just ignore all other guilds, and every person who wants BiS just joins a guild and gets it with very minimal hours invested/week.

This is the current server situation. If you think batphoning is time-intensive, you're crazy. The average hardcore EQ raider doesn't raid for 10 hours solid like in the old days. It's "CT POP" text message, 20 minutes to assemble/pull, 2 minute kill, collect pixels, log.

Feel the excitement.

[Nirgon]

Receive text, log in, taste the rainbow, shit's classic

[SCB]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Receive text, log in, taste the rainbow, shit's classic

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