Players will always compete for raid mobs; the point of contention is the rules

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Sworen

Sakuragi - if you have a problem like this... there is a server for people like you... it's called the SLeeper - please contact Toop to enjoy his dying game.

Thanks,

Wait. You just took as your position the straw man position I assigned to the trolls and then refuted two sentences later. That's just . . . wow.

Originally Posted by kylok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

After reading the OP several times, this is what I see....

I really thought my post was clear, but people just aren't getting it. Let me try again. One time when I was in college I ended up playing pickup with several members of the Illinois Men's varsity team. Needless to say, they were a lot better than I was. One time I ended up switched on to one of them, and he just dribbled at the top of the key until his teammate could come back to check him, presumably because he thought zipping by me for a two handed dunk would be cruel and abusive. Did I demand to change the rules of basketball? Of course not. Because basketball is just fun.

The point I am trying to make is that I don't care about winning and losing nearly as much as having fun. Right now, participation in the raid scene is not fun, period. Tracking is not fun, period. Having to get up at 4AM to kill a dragon is not fun, period. If the raid scene is changed (lets say simultaneous repops) and TMO still cleans up, then more power to them. I can still go for a raid target without all the nonsense and have fun doing it.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by kylok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A difference of opinion is hardly a troll =/

Nope, but...

Originally Posted by Tiggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't read any of this thread but any rule change may stop me as a TMO member from getting as much loot for my alts I will veto it.

Is a troll post meant to derail a serious thread which warrants discussion as seen by the 25+ pages in the other thread that grew like wildfire throughout last night, though.

[kylok]

Message received! Here's my point - if you're not having fun playing the game why are you playing it? The rules are the rules, changing the rules means changing the game.

edit: tassle if you don't have tiggles on ignore by now it's no ones fault but yours.

[Sarius]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wait. You just took as your position the straw man position I assigned to the trolls and then refuted two sentences later. That's just . . . wow.



I really thought my post was clear, but people just aren't getting it. Let me try again. One time when I was in college I ended up playing pickup with several members of the Illinois Men's varsity team. Needless to say, they were a lot better than I was. One time I ended up switched on to one of them, and he just dribbled at the top of the key until his teammate could come back to check him, presumably because he thought zipping by me for a two handed dunk would be cruel and abusive. Did I demand to change the rules of basketball? Of course not. Because basketball is just fun.

The point I am trying to make is that I don't care about winning and losing nearly as much as having fun. Right now, participation in the raid scene is not fun, period. Tracking is not fun, period. Having to get up at 4AM to kill a dragon is not fun, period. If the raid scene is changed (lets say simultaneous repops) and TMO still cleans up, then more power to them. I can still go for a raid target without all the nonsense and have fun doing it.

What happens every time there is a full server repop? TMO gets 80%+ of the mobs while BDA and FE get a few.

How will simultaneous repops fix this?

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by kylok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Message received! Here's my point - if you're not having fun playing the game why are you playing it? The rules are the rules, changing the rules means changing the game.

The rules are not classic in current form. Classic was fun.

[kylok]

Classic is good, I like classic. If I recall correctly people had issues with that raid scene when it was classic.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by kylok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Message received! Here's my point - if you're not having fun playing the game why are you playing it? The rules are the rules, changing the rules means changing the game.

edit: tassle if you don't have tiggles on ignore by now it's no ones fault but yours.

Outlawing training in VP would make the game more close to what was intended. I don't want to change any ground breaking rules. My thing is this: People have justified GM sanctioned training being allowed in VP because it was a "Non-CSR" zone on live. "Non-CSR" did not mean training was allowed on live, and VP was not the only zone with this tag during this era on EQlive. Plane of Hate/Fear/Sky were also labeled as such, so if this reason is given to justify training in VP, then why not use it to allow training in those zones as well?


For those of us who know how live went, we know training was never allowed. The rules on p99 weren't derived from any policies put into place by Live EQ CSR staff, but fabricated to fit the conditions of the raiding scene on p99. I just don't see why training is allowed, since it wasn't on live. That's just me though, and about 150 other people so far who have voted on my poll. I think its time to reconsider these rules and maybe come up with a new rule set which better fosters competition instead of hindering it like the current rules.

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Outlawing training in VP would make the game more close to what was intended. I don't want to change any ground breaking rules. My thing is this: People have justified GM sanctioned training being allowed in VP because it was a "Non-CSR" zone on live. "Non-CSR" did not mean training was allowed on live, and VP was not the only zone with this tag during this era on EQlive. Plane of Hate/Fear/Sky were also labeled as such, so if this reason is given to justify training in VP, then why not use it to allow training in those zones as well?

Rogean already explained to you that this is not the reason VP is a train-friendly zone.

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How many times do I have to tell you that our No CSR policy is NOT related to live? Is there some sort of brain block going on here?

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Sarius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What happens every time there is a full server repop? TMO gets 80%+ of the mobs while BDA and FE get a few.

How will simultaneous repops fix this?

This thread is a monument to how everyone projects every post about the raid scene into some sort of pro/anti TMO agenda, even when the original post went into great length about how I hate that. I am not for or against TMO. There are guys in TMO that I like (even you Jeremy!) and guys that I can't stand. I would like to see the raid scene changed not because the rules aren't fair (they are, unless Sirken is feeding tiggles mob spawn times under the table) or because one guild gets all the mobs (oh well) but because THE RULES AREN'T FUN.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Outlawing training in VP would make the game more close to what was intended. I don't want to change any ground breaking rules. My thing is this: People have justified GM sanctioned training being allowed in VP because it was a "Non-CSR" zone on live. "Non-CSR" did not mean training was allowed on live, and VP was not the only zone with this tag during this era on EQlive. Plane of Hate/Fear/Sky were also labeled as such, so if this reason is given to justify training in VP, then why not use it to allow training in those zones as well?


For those of us who know how live went, we know training was never allowed. The rules on p99 weren't derived from any policies put into place by Live EQ CSR staff, but fabricated to fit the conditions of the raiding scene on p99. I just don't see why training is allowed, since it wasn't on live. That's just me though, and about 150 other people so far who have voted on my poll. I think its time to reconsider these rules and maybe come up with a new rule set which better fosters competition instead of hindering it like the current rules.

Originally Posted by kenzar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rogean already explained to you that this is not the reason VP is a train-friendly zone.

You obviously didn't read the second portion of my post bro!