please explain the exp hybrid penilty

[Dirtnap]

There used to be an exp split calculator that was floating around the forum for awhile. If you can find it, play around with it and see that penalty classes take more of the split of experience in groups. Thus they will level faster than everyone else in that group.

I have experienced this before: I would be getting less than a percent per kill, and the SK I was grouped with was getting around 1.5% per kill. (He was higher level than my ranger. Thus he was getting a bigger split, and leveling faster than me. If we stuck together long enough, he would out level me.)

[Rooj]

Originally Posted by webrunner5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No. The Monk has a 44% penalty, SK 68% penalty. So the SK will always be a bit behind.

But the people on this thread are saying, the EXP is split differently based on the total amount of EXP a character has gained, meaning that the iksar SK would get a higher cut of the EXP thus causing both characters to level at the same time.

[Rooj]

I have experienced this before: I would be getting less than a percent per kill, and the SK I was grouped with was getting around 1.5% per kill.

Yes but the SK also needs more EXP to level because he's higher level. A good example is a KC group I had a few weeks ago. Most of the group was 54-55. But we had a level 49 enchanter, who said they were getting amazing EXP. Their split due to their level was probably very small, but they also needed WAY less EXP to level - if they were getting an "even" split of the EXP, they'd be leveling stupidly fast.

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Dirtnap [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There used to be an exp split calculator that was floating around the forum for awhile. If you can find it, play around with it and see that penalty classes take more of the split of experience in groups. Thus they will level faster than everyone else in that group.

I have experienced this before: I would be getting less than a percent per kill, and the SK I was grouped with was getting around 1.5% per kill. (He was higher level than my ranger. Thus he was getting a bigger split, and leveling faster than me. If we stuck together long enough, he would out level me.)

if he was 1 level past a so-called "hell" level, and you were lower than that level, it can happen. Is not because he was hybrid. Is because, for example, he is 46 and you are 44 and Verant devs could not do simple math. It's just another artifact of the misimplemented level curve.

[Tasslehofp99]

The person with the MOST total Exp points takes the largest cut of the group exp split. Since hybrids require more exp points to achieve each level, they will most usually have more total exp than non-hybrids.

For example if a SK requires 40% more exp to level, they will always have 40% more total exp points than a non-SK of the same level. Therefore if they group with this person, the SK will always be taking more exp.


why does everyone care so much about exp penalty on here? lol just play the fucking game and enjoy your adventures to lvl 60.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Dirtnap [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There used to be an exp split calculator that was floating around the forum for awhile. If you can find it, play around with it and see that penalty classes take more of the split of experience in groups. Thus they will level faster than everyone else in that group.

I have experienced this before: I would be getting less than a percent per kill, and the SK I was grouped with was getting around 1.5% per kill. (He was higher level than my ranger. Thus he was getting a bigger split, and leveling faster than me. If we stuck together long enough, he would out level me.)

No, this is not how it works. The Hybrids DO take more exp, but they don't level faster because they require MORE exp to level.

[Rooj]

It's like I always say: hybrid penalty is the least of your worries in an EXP group. Adding more members, not having enough mobs to kill, bad players or badly geared players affect your exp WAY more than the EXP penalties. I leveled my Iksar SK pretty freaking quick, frankly.

[Dirtnap]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, this is not how it works. The Hybrids DO take more exp, but they don't level faster because they require MORE exp to level.

Like I said, this is how I have seen it work in game with my own eyes. It's not supposed to work that way, but it does.

It doesn't matter who needs more exp to level, each level needs 100% of the bar to be filled. If one person is getting less than 1% per mob, while someone else is getting more than 1% per mob, the second person will always level faster than the first.

The gap will grow and grow until you are far enough apart that you can't exp on the same mobs anymore.

EDIT: The only way I see the way it is being a postitive is if the highest penalty group member is the lowest level member in the group. That way you get a pretty even split. If the highest level member has a bad penalty, then they can take 30-50% of the split. (I have been in groups where the SK tank was taking 50% per mob, and since I was the lowest level I was getting 4%.)

[Rooj]

How do you know he was taking 50%?

[webrunner5]

Originally Posted by Rooj [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But the people on this thread are saying, the EXP is split differently based on the total amount of EXP a character has gained, meaning that the iksar SK would get a higher cut of the EXP thus causing both characters to level at the same time.

I am surely no expert on XP penalty's. But I don't think they level the same.

Lets say a High Elf Cleric and a Iksar SK were in a duo. Both the same level. The Cleric had no penalty and the SK has a 68% penalty. Your telling me that they will level the same. Ok I might say they will share the same XP experience points 50 50 but not level the same. Can't happen. The is what the 68 means. You have to kill 68% more mobs over the Cleric to get to level 60. The amount of mobs extra is a shipot over the long run.

This is why in this game duoing with a friend say 2 or 3 times a week can't work out if one of you is say a Dwarf Warrior with a -10% penalty and a Troll Sk with 68% penalty. By level 20ish the Warrior is level 24 and the SK 19. 30ish Warrior is like 35 SK 27. No XP for the SK anymore and he is getting his ass handed to him on yellow to red mobs and blue to the Warrior. That is why the Hybrid penalty just sucks on here. That is not exact numbers, its just to make a point. But not far off trust me. The ratio should stay the same. In the end the Warrior would be 60 and the SK like 48. Which means the SK has to kill about a million more mobs to get to 60 lol.

The trick on a Hybrid is to always level in high ZeM places and always be the highest person in full groups. You, on paper, get a bigger piece of the pie. Not easy to do day after day though. Or hell, just get power leveled to 60. Lot easier.