Dexterity for casters? Request for information

[Tecmos Deception]

Parsing this would be a nightmare.

[Adolphus]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Parsing this would be a nightmare.

I know it, hence my desire for someone with actual information/evidence to resolve. But I suppose it might be done with Soloist's Icy Wand? At least I'd only have to get to level 12 to try it

[Messianic]

It's an interesting question and worthy of investigation. However, you'll get vastly more benefit out of hp/mana/int/resist gear than you will ever get out if dex. I chime in only to point out that hp gear is incredibly valuable for a wizard early on and mana gear is more valuable than int gear early on.


Thought experiment: if you could ignore int/mana/hp gear to get a 50% better channeling rate, would you?

Nope. And evidence indicates the difference can't be that much.

[Adolphus]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's an interesting question and worthy of investigation. However, you'll get vastly more benefit out of hp/mana/int/resist gear than you will ever get out if dex. I chime in only to point out that hp gear is incredibly valuable for a wizard early on and mana gear is more valuable than int gear early on.


Thought experiment: if you could ignore int/mana/hp gear to get a 50% better channeling rate, would you?

Nope. And evidence indicates the difference can't be that much.

While this is true, INT is easy to max. If we're talking a level 60 epic wizard with MAX INT, good resist gear etc, then the proper place to work on might be DEX if it helps with channeling through interrupt.

Also, for the power solo classes like Shaman and Enchanter it becomes even more important. Getting interrupted is a big deal I imagine. Significant reduction of that would be a worthwhile investment.

[fastboy21]

the reason nobody knows is because nobody has cared enough to do the testing it would require.

the reason nobody has cared enough to do the testing is that during regular game play it doesn't affect things enough to concern most players.

if the op, or anyone else, is interested in finding the answer the only way its gonna happen is if you parse it out yourself. which, by the way, would not only be extremely difficult and time consuming but also nearly impossible to do.

if i was going to parse it, i would start with a bard with max dex at lvl 60. start tapping your songs and see how frequently they miss a note. do this several thousand times. then repeat with as low a dex as you can get. compare.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Originally Posted by koros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It has no effect, if you want to believe some bogus posts feel free, but it's completely skill based. It's been well understood that it doesn't affect channeling since the very early days of EQ.

Incorrect answer. The only thing that has been well-understood since the very early days of EQ is that eventually in threads like this people start posting Excel spreadsheets.

[HippoNipple]

I found this equation explaining the relationship between dexterity, channeling skill and chance to regain concentration.

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[Pyrocat]

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[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Adolphus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

While this is true, INT is easy to max. If we're talking a level 60 epic wizard with MAX INT, good resist gear etc, then the proper place to work on might be DEX if it helps with channeling through interrupt.

Nope. HP or pure mana gear is most likely more valuable. If you're level 60 and getting hit during a relevant fight, dying is more of an issue than channeling.

And as my thought experiment shows, how much precise benefit could you reap? If you channel 2/4 times and with Dex gear channel 3/4 times yet cost yourself 400 mana in pure mana gear or 200 hp in pure hp gear, was it worth it? Probably not, unless you spend your entire life casting through hits. Which wizards don't. And even Shaman - the only real case to be made given their method of soloing very high level mobs - are going to benefit more from max hp/ac/mana gear than that extra channel every now and then.

Originally Posted by Adolphus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, for the power solo classes like Shaman and Enchanter it becomes even more important. Getting interrupted is a big deal I imagine. Significant reduction of that would be a worthwhile investment.

You're thinking about this in terms of either no improvement in channeling or an improvement in channeling. That's an incorrect way of thinking about it.

You're comparing +dex -Hp/mana/etc vs base dex and +HP/mana/etc.


Like I said, it's a worthwhile question since we don't know the math, but it's trivia in practice.

[Nisrak]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And as my thought experiment shows, how much precise benefit could you reap? If you channel 2/4 times and with Dex gear channel 3/4 times yet cost yourself 400 mana in pure mana gear or 200 hp in pure hp gear, was it worth it? Probably not, unless you spend your entire life casting through hits. Which wizards don't. And even Shaman - the only real case to be made given their method of soloing very high level mobs - are going to benefit more from max hp/ac/mana gear than that extra channel every now and then.

For classes like an enchanter, I think giving up 200hp for 25% more channeling (by your example) would be worth it in a group setting. 1 regained mez can easily make the difference in a harry situation.