OCCUPY WALLSTREET!

[Barnes]

GUESS i know we just like to escape but honestly? let own up!?

[skulldudes]

i just can't decipher whatever it is you're trying to say

[Connador]

Come on guys! #occupyecommons

[Scribbles]

STUPID AMERIC GO EAT HUMBURGER

[bizzum]

#occupyecommons

This + GM event with EQcops and/or pvp!

[azeth]

So the "occupy Boston" version of this "protest" is pretty hilarious. Every radio station/news network is unable to get a straight answer from any of the "protestors" regarding why they're even there.

TBH - get the fuck out of Boston. The only "99%" stat thats obvious to identify is the fact that 99% of these idiots are homeless fucking drifters shtitting up public transportation and bathing in McDonalds restrooms.

[deathgirl]

I just got invited to 'OCCUPY MELBOURNE' on facebook. bet that'll be even more ridiculous than boston.

[azeth]

I just got invited to 'OCCUPY MELBOURNE' on facebook. bet that'll be even more ridiculous than boston.

might as well go for a day if the weather's nice. just bring some road sodas and treat it like a carnival

the most common responses to the general query "So what're you protesting?" i've heard:

"uhhh.. *giggle* I'm here for the people!"

"ya know, just supporting the people man. like, ya know the rich get theirs, but wheres mine? i mean OURs"

"i dunno man, im a traveler, i just go where the roads and rails take me bro"

[Bohab]

Has anyone been to the Occupy Wall Street? It's a bunch of wanna be smelly hippies in drum circles smoking pot and saying maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan every 5 seconds. There is nothing happening there. Good luck finding a handful of people who are actually there to protest with good reason. The rest of them are worthless freeloaders. It's really a crock of shit the media is trying to blow up into some movement when it isn't. Can't wait for it to get real cold outside.

[Vohl]

The opinions differ widely on what needs to be done, but pretty much everyone at these protests agrees that big money has way too much influence in politics. The same criticisms that were leveled against the current protests have been very recently applied to Tea Partiers. Given some time, I think it's pretty likely that the OWS movement can become politically effective.

In fact, I hope they do. That much anger needs a political outlet.

[deathgirl]

I think it's pretty likely that the OWS movement can become politically effective.

vs $$$$$$$? think again :rolleyes:

[Vohl]

Its happened before a few times. Read up on the history of the 1900s. Banks, the wealthiest 1%, fiscal conservatives and doomsayers -- all have been thrown out of power by political process in our country. We need them, but we need them to have less influence. Cynically thinking it can't happen is selling your own voice and future short.

[Vohl]

I'll add that stupid and whiny mischaracterizations of the protesters are mostly coming from the same sources. Believing this without taking a closer look at the causes for the protests is "99%" likely to be against your best interests.

[pickled_heretic]

So the "occupy Boston" version of this "protest" is pretty hilarious. Every radio station/news network is unable to get a straight answer from any of the "protestors" regarding why they're even there.

TBH - get the fuck out of Boston. The only "99%" stat thats obvious to identify is the fact that 99% of these idiots are homeless fucking drifters shtitting up public transportation and bathing in McDonalds restrooms.

you've seen this on oreilly right? have you seen the daily show's version of this at tea party rallys?

face it, the average american is politically illiterate regardless of her position on the political spectrum, criticizing just one particular facet of the citizenry is being hypocritical.

[azeth]

you've seen this on oreilly right? have you seen the daily show's version of this at tea party rallys?

face it, the average american is politically illiterate regardless of her position on the political spectrum, criticizing just one particular facet of the citizenry is being hypocritical.

The "Occupy" protests are completely meaningless and my opinion about them specifically has no baring on my political allegiance or opinion on any social policy, fiscal policy, or recent change.

have you seen the daily show's version of this at tea party rallys?

Also, I don't usually develop my opinion based on what's on TV. So, no, no I haven't.

[Hoggen]

I've heard several say they have student loans, and they want the "government" to pay those loans. I've heard many say they are tired of corporations. I've heard many say they think the rich have too much money.

But I have yet to hear one of them say anything about what exactly they want done.

With sponsors like Adbusters and George Soros, I can't see anything positive coming from this bunch of basement dwellers turned park occupiers.

This really belongs in Off topic... not in Server Chat.

[pickled_heretic]

Also, I don't usually develop my opinion based on what's on TV. So, no, no I haven't.

that's cool, i don't own a tv and i haven't had one set up in my apartment for the last four years. we can be hipsters together!

you obviously saw or heard it somewhere. personally i find no great distinction between the radio and the tv other than you can do other things which require visual attention while listening to the radio.

[azeth]

you obviously saw or heard it somewhere. personally i find no great distinction between the radio and the tv other than you can do other things which require visual attention while listening to the radio.

Lol no i didn't obviously see or hear anything. In fact, if you re-read my only comment about the media was:


Every radio station/news network is unable to get a straight answer from any of the "protestors" regarding why they're even there..

I'm not positive why you're assuming that because I haven't solicited for handwritten letters identifying the Protestor's wishes that I am bias.

In fact, I am not bias. You're just clearly so uninformed that you are unable to differentiate between a cause worth fighting for, and causing a fight.

[pickled_heretic]

Every radio station/news network is unable to get a straight answer from any of the "protestors" regarding why they're even there..

this implies that you are aware of radio stations/news networks that have attempted to get a straight answer from the protesters, correct? where else could you have heard it? hearsay?

it seems apparent to me that you have, at some point, heard a radio station, or news network attempting to solicit opinions from the protestors. is that incorrect?

[azeth]

this implies that you are aware of radio stations/news networks that have attempted to get a straight answer from the protesters, correct? where else could you have heard it? hearsay?

Don't try to argue semantics when you have a reading disability.

I'm done.

[pickled_heretic]

Don't try to argue semantics when you have a reading disability.

I'm done.

no wonder this country is a shithole...

[Hoggen]

no wonder this country is a shithole...

Which country to do you live in Pickled?

[pickled_heretic]

Which country to do you live in Pickled?

Sorry, I meant to say "no wonder this world is a shithole." since no country really has exclusive ownership of ignorance or impotence in engaging in dialogue.

[feanan]

my impression of azeth is that he's well off. so of course he's against the hippies :)
he's one of those people that hopes he'll one day be one of the 1%, so he must defend!

[azeth]

Pickled, you opened a flame war with me about how I apparently am taking all of my opinions on the subject from the media. When, in reality and per your actual post, it appears that is actually what YOU are doing:

you've seen this on oreilly right? have you seen the daily show's version of this at tea party rallys?

I legitimately do not have a clue why you're assuming I'm on 1 side or the other?

Which country to do you live in Pickled?

Based on his idealistic, and undirected ranting, I'd say Narnia, or Middle Earth.

[pickled_heretic]

I legitimately do not have a clue why you're assuming I'm on 1 side or the other?

So the "occupy Boston" version of this "protest" is pretty hilarious. Every radio station/news network is unable to get a straight answer from any of the "protestors" regarding why they're even there.

TBH - get the fuck out of Boston. The only "99%" stat thats obvious to identify is the fact that 99% of these idiots are homeless fucking drifters shtitting up public transportation and bathing in McDonalds restrooms.

what point are you getting at by making this post? instead of answering for you, this time i'll let you go ahead and make your point. shoot.

[bonehand]

Occupy ECT! Spawn a bunch of ogres in black dyed plate with Blackjack's that aggro on everyone and everything. Of course, they don't drop anything but a random ticket and a baked goods item.

[azeth]

^ here's the thing. I literally walk through these protestors on a daily basis to arrive at my office in PO Square in Boston. So, whether you like it or not, I am informed enough based on 1st hand experience, and unfortunately for you have the right to identify my opinion publically.

Even more unfortunate for you, is the fact that I have already determined your stereotype and I am absolutely blown away that I've wasted another 2.5 minutes of my day responding to your dribble.

Here's the point though - these protestors aren't protesting a goddamn thing. They are, en mass, arriving destinationless, seeking out their demographic and huddling in the pre-desginated "protest" area. They've identified no demands, and have conceded at every opportunity to law enforcements demands.

Sounds like a bunch of filthy pussies, sorry.

[Vohl]

I legitimately do not have a clue why you're assuming I'm on 1 side or the other?

Because wittingly or otherwise, you're parroting propoganda.

[pickled_heretic]

^ here's the thing. I literally walk through these protestors on a daily basis to arrive at my office in PO Square in Boston. So, whether you like it or not, I am informed enough based on 1st hand experience, and unfortunately for you have the right to identify my opinion publically.


so why bother introducing media when you said yourself that your firsthand experience was more than enough? have you ever actually stopped and talked to any of these people in person?

[azeth]

have you ever actually stopped and talked to any of these people in person?

How dare you ask a question that you yourself cannot answer, "Yes" to.

I'll exit this thread with this lasting image from the occupy Boston protest -

http://i.imgur.com/bRmrj.jpg

What an absolutely prophetic and well thought out message.

[pickled_heretic]

How dare you ask a question that you yourself cannot answer, "Yes" to.

Puppet much? What're you the most tattoo'd cool kid @ state_college_02?

Not that I feel like I need to defend myself from personal attacks like this, but yes, I'm attending university.

I'm going to school to be a teacher because I am so brazen as to actually think that I can help make the world a better place. I'm also working 36 hours a week and attending classes full time. I do not have any tattoos, but I have thought about getting one from time to time.

I've answered your question, now please answer mine: have you ever actually talked to any of these people in person?

[MrSparkle001]

^ here's the thing. I literally walk through these protestors on a daily basis to arrive at my office in PO Square in Boston. So, whether you like it or not, I am informed enough based on 1st hand experience, and unfortunately for you have the right to identify my opinion publically.

Even more unfortunate for you, is the fact that I have already determined your stereotype and I am absolutely blown away that I've wasted another 2.5 minutes of my day responding to your dribble.

Here's the point though - these protestors aren't protesting a goddamn thing. They are, en mass, arriving destinationless, seeking out their demographic and huddling in the pre-desginated "protest" area. They've identified no demands, and have conceded at every opportunity to law enforcements demands.

Sounds like a bunch of filthy pussies, sorry.

They do, don't they? It's a shame, because there's a legitimate gripe somewhere in there, obscured by a mass of dirty hippies playing bongos and generally goofing off.

I know what their message should be, but it seems like they're just whining that they have no money while others do.

Protesting bailouts? That's good. Protesting enormous pay and bonuses for execs of struggling companies, while the working man continually gets laid off and can't find adequate work? That's good. Just hanging around as an unemployed hippie eating free food, who doesn't even know who people like Nancy Pelosi are? That's not good. And that's what these people come off as.

I actually agree with them, but I don't like the fact that they come off as lazy, dirty hippies who are just whining. Some of them don't even really know what they're protesting, and that hurts the protest. That's why it will accomplish nothing at all.

[Vohl]

So how comfortable are you with the subprime/derivatives mess of 2008? How many of those responsible for defrauding borrowers and securities mis-ratings have been brought up on charges, let alone thrown in jail?

I've talked to a bunch of these kids with tats and piercings. Some of them are sharp as hell.

[azeth]

there's a legitimate gripe somewhere in there, obscured by a mass of dirty hippies playing bongos and generally goofing off.

I know what their message should be, but it seems like they're just whining that they have no money while others do.

Pickled, this is the small point I was trying to make. I agree with the concept, but this literal protest is completely meaningless, and even worse messageless.

[Samoht]

Because wittingly or otherwise, you're parroting propoganda(sic).

This. Exactly this. Examples:

So the "occupy Boston" version of this "protest" is pretty hilarious. Every radio station/news network is unable to get a straight answer from any of the "protestors" regarding why they're even there.

TBH - get the fuck out of Boston. The only "99%" stat thats obvious to identify is the fact that 99% of these idiots are homeless fucking drifters shtitting up public transportation and bathing in McDonalds restrooms.

Has anyone been to the Occupy Wall Street? It's a bunch of wanna be smelly hippies in drum circles smoking pot and saying maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan every 5 seconds. There is nothing happening there. Good luck finding a handful of people who are actually there to protest with good reason. The rest of them are worthless freeloaders. It's really a crock of shit the media is trying to blow up into some movement when it isn't. Can't wait for it to get real cold outside.

I've heard several say they have student loans, and they want the "government" to pay those loans. I've heard many say they are tired of corporations. I've heard many say they think the rich have too much money.

But I have yet to hear one of them say anything about what exactly they want done.

With sponsors like Adbusters and George Soros, I can't see anything positive coming from this bunch of basement dwellers turned park occupiers.

They do, don't they? It's a shame, because there's a legitimate gripe somewhere in there, obscured by a mass of dirty hippies playing bongos and generally goofing off.

I know what their message should be, but it seems like they're just whining that they have no money while others do.

Protesting bailouts? That's good. Protesting enormous pay and bonuses for execs of struggling companies, while the working man continually gets laid off and can't find adequate work? That's good. Just hanging around as an unemployed hippie eating free food, who doesn't even know who people like Nancy Pelosi are? That's not good. And that's what these people come off as.


I am so tired of people regurgitating this bullshit. Some Republican commentator told us that they don't have a message and that they don't have unity, so we're going to repeat it to everybody that will listen because we're just sheep to the dollar.

The fact of the matter is that they have a very specific, precise message: we will no longer be ruled by wealth. So where did their protests start? In the exact location where the most money in the world exchanges hands daily on the backs of the American workers.

There are reasons they are unemployed. There are reasons they cannot afford to pay back their student loans. And they're tired of it.

This is exactly what started the Arab Spring earlier this year. Young people in Tunisia were college educated, but there were no jobs. As a result, they are forced to do menial jobs while the government steals their fruit carts.

The OWS is here to take the control of the government back for the 99%. No longer will they be ruled by corporations, lobbyists, and crooked politicians. At this point, most of the violence has been directed towards them by government oppressors, but the second it turns the other way, it's an all out war against the rich.

The problem for them is going to be that the soldiers and the police are also overworked and underpaid just like the rest of us. How long do you think they'll continue to obey orders to fire at their brothers and sisters?

[Orruar]

From what I've seen, the message of a great number of these protestors is "Corporations are using government power to screw over the little guy, so let's give government more power to stop them!" The lack of any deduction skills on how that idea will pan out is amazing.

If they were at any way consistent with their goals, they'd be protesting outside the Fed and the White House. Instead, they are essentially trying to bring down a statue by attacking its shadow.

I'm actually going to attend the Occupy Orlando event tomorrow. Will find out firsthand what they're all about.

[azeth]

There are reasons they cannot afford to pay back their student loans. And they're tired of it.

Stopped here. You understand that per polling of Boston and Wall Street protestors that one half of one percent has ever received any form of education beyond High School?

[pickled_heretic]

Stopped here. You understand that per polling of Boston and Wall Street protestors that one half of one percent has ever received any form of education beyond High School?

And I suppose you know this from firsthand experience?

[Vohl]

Links, please.

[MrSparkle001]

The fact of the matter is that they have a very specific, precise message: we will no longer be ruled by wealth. So where did their protests start? In the exact location where the most money in the world exchanges hands daily on the backs of the American workers.

I know they have a message, and I agree with it. But there's a lot of people there who harm the entire effort. The ones who camp out there do more harm than good.

There are reasons they are unemployed. There are reasons they cannot afford to pay back their student loans. And they're tired of it.

There certainly are reasons. Have you seen them? What kind of job do you expect to get when you look like that? I'm talking the hippies. I'd hire them to work the graveyard shift at a warehouse for $10/hr, but that's about it. I wouldn't even hire them for $10/hr security. You aren't exactly gonna get rich sitting in a park playing bongos and hacky sack.

The job market is tough, which means you have to present yourself better. Nice haircut, nice smile, professional demeanor, nice clothing etc. You wanna be a hippie? Be prepared to live the hippie life, and don't complain that you don't have a job or money.

(THIS ONLY APPLIES TO THOSE HIPPIES, who unfortunately are the ones that stand out and ruin the chances of the protests accomplishing anything)

[Samoht]

Stopped here. You understand that per polling of Boston and Wall Street protestors that one half of one percent has ever received any form of education beyond High School?

Proof? Or just more regurgitated bullshit?

There certainly are reasons. Have you seen them? What kind of job do you expect to get when you look like that? I'm talking the hippies. I'd hire them to work the graveyard shift at a warehouse for $10/hr, but that's about it. I wouldn't even hire them for $10/hr security. You aren't exactly gonna get rich sitting in a park playing bongos and hacky sack.

The job market is tough, which means you have to present yourself better. Nice haircut, nice smile, professional demeanor, nice clothing etc. You wanna be a hippie? Be prepared to live the hippie life, and don't complain that you don't have a job or money.

(THIS ONLY APPLIES TO THOSE HIPPIES, who unfortunately are the ones that stand out and ruin the chances of the protests accomplishing anything)

I'm sorry, but not everybody who has a problem with the government is a hippie, and if you think that they're the only ones protesting, you're being lied to and you're buying it. You just sound like you have prejudices against the poor, have them all lumped into one category, and refer to them with a demeaning euphemism to make yourself feel better about your bigotry.

[Hoggen]

The fact of the matter is that they have a very specific, precise message: we will no longer be ruled by wealth.

So your position is that it makes sense to group together in the middle of cities and yell " WE DON'T LIKE THIS" or "WE DON'T LIKE THAT" and have no solution and do nothing other than yell to fix whatever it is you don't like?

You say that they have a definite position: what are their definite plans of action?

Have you bothered to look at who is funding the busing of these air-heads all over the country? Have you bothered to listen to the definite agendas of said parties?

These people are "useful idiots." The people that are sending them food, busing them, and providing their website are communists and/or part of the "1 percent" they supposedly despise so much. They are looking to trade one billionaire bogeyman for another, and hoping to get a better result. And yes, I've heard them speak with my own ears. I don't need a media filter to tell me they are some fresh new wind of change or a bunch of smelly retards.

[pickled_heretic]

So your position is that it makes sense to group together in the middle of cities and yell " WE DON'T LIKE THIS" or "WE DON'T LIKE THAT" and have no solution and do nothing other than yell to fix whatever it is you don't like?

You say that they have a definite position: what are their definite plans of action?

Have you bothered to look at who is funding the busing of these air-heads all over the country? Have you bothered to listen to the definite agendas of said parties?

These people are "useful idiots." The people that are sending them food, busing them, and providing their website are communists and/or part of the "1 percent" they supposedly despise so much. They are looking to trade one billionaire bogeyman for another, and hoping to get a better result. And yes, I've heard them speak with my own ears. I don't need a media filter to tell me they are some fresh new wind of change or a bunch of smelly retards.

a mob always has a solution in mind, even if none of them admit it when asked. the french have a holiday devoted to this solution called "bastille day."

[Samoht]

So your position is that it makes sense to group together in the middle of cities and yell " WE DON'T LIKE THIS" or "WE DON'T LIKE THAT" and have no solution and do nothing other than yell to fix whatever it is you don't like?

Is it a coincidence that the middle of the city often also contains things like court houses, capital buildings, city halls, police stations, banks and other govern/econo-centric buildings?

Or maybe they had some kind of strategy and forethought to congregating there that you're just disregarding because it doesn't match your view of the situation.

You say that they have a definite position: what are their definite plans of action?

Just because they don't presently have a written plan to fix the last 200 years of crooked politics in America doesn't make them wrong, and it doesn't mean that they couldn't develop one given appropriate time and resources. But you're asking them to put the cart before the horse here and then discrediting them because they can't. Did the US have an exit strategy before they toppled the government in Iraq? Did the Egyptians have their new plan for government set in stone before they toppled Mubarak? That kind of stuff comes after the revolution.

communists

More words historically given negative connotations with no real reason for them to be bad. Do you even know what communism means? Using this word only amplifies that you don't know what you're talking about and you're just regurgitating what you heard Rush say on the way to work this morning.

[Vohl]

The people that are sending them food, busing them, and providing their website are communists and/or part of the "1 percent" they supposedly despise so much.

I'm not, nor are those I've seen doing the same. I'm starting to doubt that you've actually talked to them. Anyone decrying socialists or communists is indicating very clearly where they're getting their point of view.

[azeth]

I can't speak for Hoggen, but I personally have no issue with the demographic as a whole nor an issue with them "occupying" my spot on the sidewalk.

If anything, I'm just disgusted that THESE IDIOTS are representing values and opinions that I agree with.

[Samoht]

values and opinions that I agree with.

Then. Start. Acting. Like. It.

[Hoggen]

a mob always has a solution in mind, even if none of them admit it when asked. the french have a holiday devoted to this solution called "bastille day."

Murder is certainly a solution. If you look at the results of the French Revolution, you'll find that it solved none of their problems. They traded monarchy for Napoleon with millions dying in between. Eventually, people got tired of killing and war and they settled back into just living, but to say that the killing was a "solution" is a poor choice of semantics. It was an eruption with no clear goal other than to punish "someone" for the misery the mob experienced. They traded one government that caused misery for another that caused misery, followed by another that led to even greater misery.

The mob was manipulated by individuals that craved power. That many of these would-be leaders were themselves eventually guillotined doesn't change the fact that mobs are mindless, and even when they have legitimate grievances, or actually do something correct accidentally, they are not moved by reason or intellect. They literally have nothing in mind, only an emotional imbalance that demands action to reach equilibrium.

[azeth]

Then. Start. Acting. Like. It.

bro "acting like it" is asking serious questions of yourself and of like-minded others.

start. doing. it.

Did you know that in EverQuest's ALPHA period in late 1998/early 1999, that the Monk class's ability "Mend" was actually their version of Bind Wound, and could be used as frequently as any non-monk could use Bind Wound.

It took a tester literally leveling a monk to lvl 30 in Alpha (we're talking zone floors that are 100% transparent at the time) to identify this would be OP.

He took the time to do this because he asked a serious question of himself and peers.

[Hoggen]

More words historically given negative connotations with no real reason for them to be bad. Do you even know what communism means? Using this word only amplifies that you don't know what you're talking about and you're just regurgitating what you heard Rush say on the way to work this morning.

What word do you use to describe a pile of excrement, Sam? Do you call it pudding? Do you call it an oasis? The people of Occupy Wall Street want redistribution of wealth through government intervention. They are Anti-Capitalist. They want all people to be equal, and all who need to receive from those that have. What do you call people that want all these things? Capitalists? Libertarians? Pray tell your "non-negative" term that you would use for such a mentality!

Do you listen to Rush Limbaugh? How do you know what he says? How do you know I listen to him? You obviously don't know what time his show airs, as it hasn't been on yet today. You use a dismissive straw-man argument trying to label me as a parrot for Rush Limbaugh and you think my use of "communist" to label Facebolsheviks crapping on cop cars is a negative stereotype? What an ass you are.

[Sickle]

More like "Occupy jail cell for the night"

[azeth]

More like "Occupy jail cell for the night"

And then of course, given you've spent the night, you are entitled to a jail-served breakfast that the taxpayers have purchased for you.

[pickled_heretic]

The people of Occupy Wall Street want redistribution of wealth through government intervention. They are Anti-Capitalist.

didn't you just say earlier in this thread that the protesters didn't know what they wanted? well, which is it?

[Aadill]

Going to Occupy Raleigh tomorrow to take pictures/maybe talk to people. The main thing that I get out of the entire movement is that so much money is being spent on bullshit. Why not redistribute all the money raised to lobby special interests or to campaign for certain candidates back into the system for creating the jobs that are stymied by the very same group? Why waste millions of dollars to accomplish your own personal goals by hamstringing any others?

Something I find interesting is that NC has an allegedly shadowy and consequently interesting figure - Art Pope. He is the president of Variety Wholesalers, Inc. He runs businesses like Roses, Maxway, ValuMart, Super10, Super Dollar, and others ; all low-dollar budget stores. The food stock is way down in terms of quality and the clothing is the same. It gives people something to hold onto when they have next to nothing to live on. It's basically a step below Wal-Mart, and it gets the job done for those that are living on next to nothing.

He also controls the majority of the conservative advocacy groups, think tanks, and conservative-inclined academic institutes in the state. Grooming politicians for the future...

There was a post by Roses on the Occupy Raleigh page basically conjuring the idea of "YOU CAN DO IT!" to the majority of the people that are in the situation of NEEDING to rely on his "services" because of no alternatives.

I originally said allegedly shadowy, and here is why: Considering Art Pope and his organizations have spent millions of dollars on various forms of media propaganda, 100% of it going towards efforts to oust certain political candidates by completely unbalancing any monetary assets raised for a campaign through massive and convoluted corporate donations, I'd be kinda pissed.

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2011/10/art-pope-political-influence.html
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/10/10/111010fa_fact_mayer?currentPage=all%5C

As far as these articles go I don't know how much I'd particularly want to believe but I cannot fathom how a corporation whose president has lobbied for his own personal goals to make waves in the political landscape can somehow also support the people who would want to protest against him. The entire point of this movement, to me, is that money makes up entirely too large a portion of the decision making process.

Am I fully confident in this being the case? No. Am I fully confident in the type of media reporting this information to me? No. Especially after the yellow journalism seen just earlier this week by the piece of shit that tried to incite a riot and instead got pepper sprayed. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/reporter-incites-occupy-d-c-riot-write-180750896.html

[azeth]

@ Aadill, when you attend the protest, please ask your peers the general question -

"Who is Art Pope?"

I'd sincerely like you to take a mental note regarding how many know the name, then post here with what you find.

[Hoggen]

didn't you just say earlier in this thread that the protesters didn't know what they wanted? well, which is it?

I said earlier they have no specific plan. There is a difference between knowing what you want and having a plan to achieve it.

Example: I WANT MONEY

plan 1: steal money
plan 2: work
plan 3: yell "I WANT MONEY" and hope someone gives it to you

If you describe plan 3 as an actual plan, then yes, they have a plan. I call it "a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." They are literally just "occupying" space and are wasting their, and a lot of other people's, time.

[Samoht]

bro "acting like it" is asking serious questions of yourself and of like-minded others.

start. doing. it.

How do you pretend to know what I'm doing? I've already started feeling out for a presidential bid in 2020 (the first year I'm eligible) and finding supporters and donors at every turn.

What are YOU doing besides admittedly turning your nose up to the protestors as you walk by on a daily basis?

plan 2: work

What if there is no work? What if corporations have moved all middle class jobs overseas and then hire illegal immigrants to do the rest of the work leaving the lower/middle class with no jobs? They then tell them to get an education, but there are still no jobs and now they've amassed debt. Who benefits? The bankers! The upper class!

[Aadill]

@ Aadill, when you attend the protest, please ask your peers the general question -

"Who is Art Pope?"

I'd sincerely like you to take a mental note regarding how many know the name, then post here with what you find.

I don't expect many will know, but at the same time I expect the general frustration with the very tactics that Art Pope is using will be expressed by the majority.

[iamoenaj]

How do you pretend to know what I'm doing? I've already started feeling out for a presidential bid in 2020 (the first year I'm eligible) and finding supporters and donors at every turn.

What are YOU doing besides admittedly turning your nose up to the protestors as you walk by on a daily basis?

What are your credentials as of now? Besides debating on an internet forum for a MMORPG, of course.

[azeth]

What are YOU doing besides admittedly turning your nose up to the protestors as you walk by on a daily basis?

I'm a 1%'r, I don't do a motherfucking thing.

^ thats what you were going to take from whatever I posted anyways.

[Aadill]

Furthermore I don't actually see a difference between the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street other than their names.

Both want something and neither had an actual plan or purpose. The Tea Party wanted the government to not invade their personal lives but then wants to vote in LBGT legislation. The extent of their concern for how the first portion of that sentiment was minimal and pretty much pushed back to the politicians with shouts of "DO SOMETHING BUT DO LESS OF IT!." The latter portion of it is just an example of how hypocritical those sets of values were.

OWS wants the government to not be controlled by corporations but wants jobs from said corporations. That's not AS directly related, at least... but that's like disowning your children then asking them not to send you to a home when you get old.

To use one of our recent definitions on these very boards: Out of those two, which one sounds like it's for the greater good of the people and not just a person? The government there is to protect the people and provide an ordered system with which to carry out procedures for it's citizens. At least, that's what they say they do.

[Vohl]

There's an important difference between asking for money and asking for oppportunity and a voice.

[fishingme]

The occupy seattle is mainly about large corporations having too much say/weight in the government. I.E. rule making. This is from what I've heard from a few people I asked

[iamoenaj]

How do you pretend to know what I'm doing? I've already started feeling out for a presidential bid in 2020 (the first year I'm eligible) and finding supporters and donors at every turn.

What are YOU doing besides admittedly turning your nose up to the protestors as you walk by on a daily basis?



What if there is no work? What if corporations have moved all middle class jobs overseas and then hire illegal immigrants to do the rest of the work leaving the lower/middle class with no jobs? They then tell them to get an education, but there are still no jobs and now they've amassed debt. Who benefits? The bankers! The upper class!

Man, I'm done responding to your posts, but before I stop. Go read a book, learn your facts, and, most importantly, stop regurgitating what you hear. It's basic problem solving skills; get to the root problem and stop fixing the symptoms. Well, unless the benefits of propagating the problem by fixing the symptoms outweigh the cost of fixing the root problem. Just as long as you don't have to assume risk and be held accountable for your life decisions right?

[Samoht]

be held accountable for your life decisions right?

More propaganda. Did you hear that on Rush yesterday? This has already been addressed:

There's an important difference between asking for money and asking for oppportunity and a voice.

You just refuse to see the distinction, or maybe you don't understand it. Maybe YOU should read a book, iamoenaj?

[Aadill]

I don't think anyone in OWS is against the government doing it's job, they just need to be doing their job with images of people in their minds, not bank accounts. Clearly all of our future problems should be solved by this man (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/losing-wrestling-primary-hulk-hogan-tells-fox-news-125944714.html)

[Samoht]

Clearly all of our future problems should be solved by this man (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/losing-wrestling-primary-hulk-hogan-tells-fox-news-125944714.html)

Why this article had to start off biased was unnecessary and very loud. What ruined the read was the negative take on the subject of the article. Every man is entitled to his thinking.

Bad journalism is bad.

[Aadill]

I was mainly referring to this part of the article:

When told that the Hulk's idea sounds something like presidential candidate Herman Cain's "9-9-9 Plan," he responded, "Wow, yeah well he's not a real American like I am. . . . I've been around, people know me, they know everything about me, they know I'm for real, they know I know nothing about politics. I'll just make decisions on what's right or wrong."

Personally I think the flat tax would be a disaster but for him to even refute that the plans sound identical and then blast the other guy is what has led to all this bipartisan political bullshit we've experienced over the past few years, and they are for the same plan.

[Aadill]

oh and Azeth: when I first heard about OWS I felt the same way as you. Frankly I think the representation of the movement has been poor. It wasn't till I spotted some of the things one of my friends that has lived in Raleigh for the majority of the 60 years of his life that I realized that there IS a purpose.

One thing that I cannot wait to see tomorrow is what kind of people show up. Yeah, the OWS movement itself was started by a bunch of no-job college hippies.. those are the only people that can sit for weeks and entertain themselves in a park while having some mediocre semblance of collective thought.

Tomorrow people that are normally stuck at work at a corporate 9-to-5 job, including myself, will be there to express opinions and share ideas.






















On the other hand they might just poop everywhere and try to steal my bike.

[azeth]

On the other hand they might just poop everywhere and try to steal my bike.

THATS WHAT IM TRYNA SAY

[Bohab]

Here's the point though - these protestors aren't protesting a goddamn thing. They are, en mass, arriving destinationless, seeking out their demographic and huddling in the pre-desginated "protest" area. They've identified no demands, and have conceded at every opportunity to law enforcements demands.

qft

[Feachie]

"our ship is sinking"

it sucks to hear boston is dropping the ball, hopefully they'll find their voice. the LA protests were a little bit more organized.

these days, anybody who was born a commoner and thinks they can claw their way up to the top is seriously delusional. our tax code is biased completely in favor of the 1% of america (corporations and the super rich).

i have a masters and can't find work in my field, but i'm fortunate to be doing ok monetarily. i still go out and protest a few days a week since the 2nd. i've been asked why the poor aren't protesting. really? the poorest of the poor and the lowest of the low can't be at the protests. they're working multiple jobs, working long hours, and bringing home substandard wages. who else is going to protest? thank allah for the protesters.

globalization is a corporate scam that is killing our middle class. stop exporting jobs.
high earners need to pay more than they are in taxes, at least for now. save the middle.
low earners need to take initiative and stop being a drag on the system.


but it's going to take more angry people to make the government listen. i'm part of the 99%, and so can you.

[Aadill]

it sucks to hear boston is dropping the ball, hopefully they'll find their voice. the LA protests were a little bit more organized.

Tonight there is a group of lawyers training normal citizens to become legal observers for the start of the occupation tomorrow. This is basically another term for a whistleblower against the cops. Snitches. They're going to act as impartial observers, acting in shifts to make sure no one gets the shit beat out of them for no reason etc. Basically they report the cops if anything gets out of hand. If my hands wouldn't be full with cameras I'd probably consider doing it. Seems like an interesting take on the whole ordeal: you can't be anything but neutral.. no protesting during the time you are there.

Interesting info:

http://www.occupyraleigh.org/minutes

[Feachie]

imho do what you can if you have time away from work to do it.

[pickled_heretic]

imho do what you can if you have time away from work to do it.

the most successful viruses disguise themselves as innocent proteins to the immune system.

[Tyen01]

http://www.r-shief.org/members/salty/albums/visuals/ows-rshief-10.png

[Feachie]

the most successful viruses disguise themselves as innocent proteins to the immune system.

sure, can't deny that.

what does this have to do with what you quoted tho? afaik if you're acting as a legal observer you get a shiny hat to wear, which pretty much says "HI I SEE YOU COPS I KNO U SEE ME TOO"

that said, in LA I didn't see any hats. i'm jealous of you, raleigh north carolina.

[Aadill]

i feel inclined to rock the hat and take photos/write about the experience, tbh. apparently you have to sign up for the class, though. sending my request now~

EDIT: If I can have a camera with the hat it would be a combo press pass with better perks!

[MrSparkle001]

I'm sorry, but not everybody who has a problem with the government is a hippie, and if you think that they're the only ones protesting, you're being lied to and you're buying it. You just sound like you have prejudices against the poor, have them all lumped into one category, and refer to them with a demeaning euphemism to make yourself feel better about your bigotry.

You missed my very last sentences in parentheses. No I don't think they're all hippies, and yes I do agree with their message (the smart ones, not the hippies).

This movement needs to get off it's ass and get organized to have any effect. The Tea Party was very successful at it, and now it's time for this Occupy movement to do the same. They are not opposed to each other btw, despite what some less-informed individuals in the media might want you to believe.

If they don't organize and put some real pressure on their representatives, they will fizzle out and be remembered as a bunch of hippies who were whining that didn't have enough money. There are two major differences between the Tea Party and this movement, and they are organization and who participates. If they can organize, man we have a real force at work in government with them and the Tea Party. I'd love to see it.

[Harrison]

Sorry, I'm too busy working to waste my time defecating in public with a bunch of worthless hippies too dumb to explain what they're actually trying to accomplish.

[Samoht]

^ sheep

[Slathar]

Sorry, I'm too busy working to waste my time defecating in public with a bunch of worthless hippies too dumb to explain what they're actually trying to accomplish.

do you make enough to live comfortably or are you just proud to squeek by on your manual labor pay check?

do you honestly think these people would refuse work if it was offered to them? thankfully im better than you because im not a fat redneck with a GED.

[Harrison]

Did you stand in a group? In a designated area repeating a predetermined slogan and/or catch phrase repeatedly?

That sounds a lot like:http://www.lambertvetsupply.com/images/articles_images/group_of_sheep.jpg

Please, tell me what it's like to sleep on the ground for no reason, shit in public, and mill about in a flock. Sheep.

[Wurli]

Sorry but demonizing the corporations and the fat cat ceos isn't going to solve the root of our problems.

What's really destroying the country right now is the amount of money the fed govt is spending which is directly proportional to inflation and taxes. If we really want to stimulate jobs we'll start moving to sound money policy, abolishing the income tax, and most importantly reducing the size of government. Freedom works if you give it a chance.

[purest]

Pretty funny how Harrison talks in IRC about being unemployed and having to get up early tomorrow to go to job interviews.

Then comes on here and talks about how "busy" he is "working."

[Samoht]

repeating a predetermined slogan and/or catch phrase repeatedly

Isn't that what you just did?

Sorry, I'm too busy working to waste my time defecating in public with a bunch of worthless hippies too dumb to explain what they're actually trying to accomplish.

Sheep.

[Harrison]

Pretty funny how Harrison talks in IRC about being unemployed and having to get up early tomorrow to go to job interviews.

Then comes on here and talks about how "busy" he is "working."

For additional jobs, moron.

[Hailto]

Wouldn't waste your time, Samoht is a confirmed idiot, I've read quite a few of his posts.

[Aadill]

http://i.imgur.com/uzN79.jpg

Out of the 20-25 legal observers at the meeting, ranging from 18 to ~60, only a few did not know who Art Pope was.

EDIT: Fuck me, that is an ugly hat.

[Dontmez_Mebro]

And then of course, given you've spent the night, you are entitled to a jail-served breakfast that the taxpayers have purchased for you.
You've obviously never been in jail. You DO NOT want to eat that shit. In my town they give overnighters a sack lunch consisting of a bologna sandwich, applesauce, and a carton of milk. You get that for breakfast lunch and dinner. Considering that you may or may not be guilty of a crime while you are being held there it's not so much to ask for a sack lunch now is it?

[Harrison]

Food depends on where you are, greatly.

Food in jail was highly praised by my friends.

[Hailto]

You've obviously never been in jail. You DO NOT want to eat that shit. In my town they give overnighters a sack lunch consisting of a bologna sandwich, applesauce, and a carton of milk. You get that for breakfast lunch and dinner. Considering that you may or may not be guilty of a crime while you are being held there it's not so much to ask for a sack lunch now is it?

Ive been in jail one time for public intox, i remember we got a bologna and peanut butter sandwich, pretty disgusting combo. However i was drunk as fuck so i ate it lol. Don't plan to ever relive that experience again.

[fishingme]

When I was in jail for mornings(i broke out before noon just bout every time) we got mini-pancakes and sometimes french toast. Everyone was really nice though

[Haul]

Ive been in jail one time for public intox, i remember we got a bologna and peanut butter sandwich, pretty disgusting combo. However i was drunk as fuck so i ate it lol. Don't plan to ever relive that experience again.

That honestly sounds like one of the worst meals ever.

[Tommy_Wiseau]

new orleans jail serves water and straight up balogna, no bread no cheese

[Ames]

They give you spiced ham on white bread and a quarter water for the overnighter's waiting to see the judge in the morning.

[mostbitter]

didn't read the thread but i think now would be a great time for zombies




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1v0uFms68U

[Maze513]

Thought this was a great find.. sums things up nicely

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[mostbitter]

yeah protesting is stupid they should throw firebombs

[Aadill]

Although that movie is amusing as it shows a large number of sub-cultures that are clashing together in a small area for one purpose (of which they do not understand), it does not mean that the protests across the world are like that, or even outside of the selective surveying and movie editing that this individual decided to do as a youtube video project.

All that video sums up is that there are people against it and offer no better solutions. Had he actually decided to follow the movement he would realize that a lot of people want to talk about the problems and find a solution. If he is just there to make fun of them then he is just as bad of the problem as anyone else. I realize putting discussions into the video would make it extremely long but I do truly hope that the creator of that video decided to educate people instead of just find the craziest of them and pretend it is all one big zoo.

[Tommy_Wiseau]

"hay dood lets go down to the protest and record the stupidist ugly broke freaks on tuesday afternoon. nah bro not monday, i have a meeting with dad's attorney about the trust fund. lol what are these retards protesting neway they could just get a job????"

[Aadill]

I worked as a legal observer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_observer) for the majority of the weekend. There was this individual approximately aged 20-23, with a popped collar, shouting out of a brand new Tahoe, "GET A JOB LOSERS," as he passed by.

At the time when this comment was made at around 5:00pm (the Raleigh permit that had ended 26 hours earlier, and about 22 hours after arrests), 70 people were still occupying the sidewalk because there were court orders against all of those that were arrested and threats of arresting more if anyone set foot on the property of the Capitol Building.

Out of those 70 people, quite a few were afraid to be caught on camera by news crews because they have state/federal/corporate jobs The majority of the group was concerned about staying through the second night due to issues of having to go to work the next day. People had donated enough supplies that were being stored nearby to keep people fed and warm. The younger people in the group were not intent on shouting "FUCK THE SYSTEM," even though some of them looked like straight punks from the early 90s. The youngest of that group, 17, still had a job at a sandwich shop, because he knew better than to go to jail (well, juvenile hall) when he could push the limits of the law but not break it. There were no over the top hippies that just wanted to be there to be there and drum their drums while dancing and smoking pot. The hippies there were just happy to be surrounded by people who didn't get to experience the protests years ago in the same city for African American rights, woman's suffrage, Vietnam War protests, etc. They were happy to teach a new generation on how to stand their ground. Everyone there was discussing politics among themselves and even the police. The police were happy to be there because their jobs were secured for those evenings, but they did indirectly sympathize with the group of protesters. They can't protest while on the job but were very lenient and fairly talkative.

I'm sure that the individual in the Tahoe has an open mind. It was a shame he hadn't stopped and joined in to find out that plenty of people earlier that day tried to heckle the group had walked away with new information that they conceded to be true. The first steps to changing things is conversation and awareness. Not talking about it is what caused the issue in the first place.

Ignorance and arrogance go hand in hand. Thy name is Douchey McTahoe.

[Tommy_Wiseau]

I worked as a legal observer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_observer) for the majority of the weekend. There was this individual approximately aged 20-23, with a popped collar, shouting out of a brand new Tahoe, "GET A JOB LOSERS," as he passed by.

At the time when this comment was made at around 5:00pm (the Raleigh permit that had ended 26 hours earlier, and about 22 hours after arrests), 70 people were still occupying the sidewalk because there were court orders against all of those that were arrested and threats of arresting more if anyone set foot on the property of the Capitol Building.

Out of those 70 people, quite a few were afraid to be caught on camera by news crews because they have state/federal/corporate jobs The majority of the group was concerned about staying through the second night due to issues of having to go to work the next day. People had donated enough supplies that were being stored nearby to keep people fed and warm. The younger people in the group were not intent on shouting "FUCK THE SYSTEM," even though some of them looked like straight punks from the early 90s. The youngest of that group, 17, still had a job at a sandwich shop, because he knew better than to go to jail (well, juvenile hall) when he could push the limits of the law but not break it. There were no over the top hippies that just wanted to be there to be there and drum their drums while dancing and smoking pot. The hippies there were just happy to be surrounded by people who didn't get to experience the protests years ago in the same city for African American rights, woman's suffrage, Vietnam War protests, etc. They were happy to teach a new generation on how to stand their ground. Everyone there was discussing politics among themselves and even the police. The police were happy to be there because their jobs were secured for those evenings, but they did indirectly sympathize with the group of protesters. They can't protest while on the job but were very lenient and fairly talkative.

I'm sure that the individual in the Tahoe has an open mind. It was a shame he hadn't stopped and joined in to find out that plenty of people earlier that day tried to heckle the group had walked away with new information that they conceded to be true. The first steps to changing things is conversation and awareness. Not talking about it is what caused the issue in the first place.

Ignorance and arrogance go hand in hand. Thy name is Douchey McTahoe.

young career masturbator

[Aadill]

young career masturbator

idgi but i do intend to write an article for some of our local newspapers and also comment on the occupy raleigh chapter to it's leade----- ehhh.. organiz---ehh.. facilitators.

[Ledzepp02]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCRnkamitVk

This is essentially the root of everything. Now, if you start doing your own research, your own questioning, or let's say your own critical thinking, you may come to realize that this is a reality that affects all of us. Yes, you are the 99%. End the Fed. Ron Paul 2012.

[Ozudin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCRnkamitVk

This is essentially the root of everything. Now, if you start doing your own research, your own questioning, or let's say your own critical thinking, you may come to realize that this is a reality that affects all of us. Yes, you are the 99%. End the Fed. Ron Paul 2012.

I'd vote for this guy.

[Diggles]

why cant we all just vote for a npc for prez

I think firiona vie would be a wonderful president

[Slathar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCRnkamitVk

This is essentially the root of everything. Now, if you start doing your own research, your own questioning, or let's say your own critical thinking, you may come to realize that this is a reality that affects all of us. Yes, you are the 99%. End the Fed. Ron Paul 2012.

you realize ron paul is another right-wing nutjob who hates minorities right? look at at the bills hes sponsored and written.

ron paul, lawl.

bernie sanders for fucking emperor.

[Slathar]

you realize ron paul is another right-wing nutjob who hates minorities right? look at at the bills hes sponsored and written.

ron paul, lawl.

bernie sanders for fucking emperor.

why not just cut the middleman, ron paul, out and post-humously elect ayn rand as emperor of boot strapping

[Hoggen]

It's interesting how people can be intrigued by screamers that offer no solutions. No clue who that guy is, but he sure is annoying.

[dude]

The Dude has decided to lead this motley crew of 99%'ers into the 21st century. All of the 99% can feel assured the the dude will abide :)

[naez]

us 1%'ers will just squash any real uprising including breaking the nuclear taboo

[EnnoiaII]

GUESS i know we just like to escape but honestly? let own up!?

This post makes about as much sense as the actual occupy Wall Street act...absolutely fucking ZERO. The majority of people at OWS have NO fucking clue how economics even works. Wall Street doesn't control the economy. Wall Street is affected by the economy, not the other way around.

[Slathar]

This post makes about as much sense as the actual occupy Wall Street act...absolutely fucking ZERO. The majority of people at OWS have NO fucking clue how economics even works. Wall Street doesn't control the economy. Wall Street is affected by the economy, not the other way around.

it isn't necessarily about knowing how economics works. its about changing the political conversation in america which it has been hugely successful at doing so far.

[Bohab]

Horaaay.

http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/3520/finallym.jpg

[Ihealyou]

The park is a lot smaller than I thought

[Glitch]

HELP THEY ARE ATTACKING MY LIBERTY AND MY IMPORTANT HISTORICAL MOVEMENT

[to0p]

http://epicemu.com/img/starwars.jpg

[Thatguy05]

FREE TO0P!!

[purest]

'murka no social healthcare no taxes on the rich i'll defend these values to my death for 'murka

[Slathar]

'murka no social healthcare no taxes on the rich i'll defend these values to my death for 'murka

this is another in a long line of socialist-fascist-communist policies of the evil empire

[Truth]

The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

From Bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence; <------- YOU ARE HERE
From dependence back into bondage.

[Slathar]

The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

From Bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence; <------- YOU ARE HERE
From dependence back into bondage.

BUT THERE IS STILL XBOX360 AND MCRIBS FUCK U WHY DO U HATE FREEDOM

[vaylorie]

It's interesting how much has changed in such a short time over the past years that you have people openly calling for socialism and protesting for it on the streets and nobody seems taken aback.

You should include some other Tyler quotes. This should sum up the Occupy movement...

"A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." "From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."

LOL @ 99%... I am the 53% (that actually pay taxes...)

The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

From Bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence; <------- YOU ARE HERE
From dependence back into bondage.

[Truth]

That's another one of my favorite quotes.

But you can't really pigeonhole something as vague as the Occupy movement into a communist thing. It's just a populist uprising, it's literally the same thing as the TEA party on the road to revolution.

[purest]

LOL @ 99%... I am the 53% (that actually pay taxes...)

i know u just heard this on fox news or w/e and didn't actually read the tax policy center report (the source from which this statistic comes from) but the figure only refers to single filers on federal income tax in 2009 and furthermore

"The 51 percent figure is an anomaly that reflects the unique circumstances of 2009, when the recession greatly swelled the number of Americans with low incomes and when temporary tax cuts created by the 2009 Recovery Act — including the "Making Work Pay" tax credit and an exclusion from tax of the first $2,400 in unemployment benefits — were in effect. Together, these developments removed millions of Americans from the federal income tax rolls. Both of these temporary tax measures have since expired."

but please don't let logic or cold, hard facts get in the way of your distortions and emotional arguments

[vaylorie]

Good quote bro. I missed the "cold, hard facts" portion but good effort either way.

[purest]

mad he got logic'd ^

[Truth]

droppin logic bombs again??

[burkemi5]

hai guize can i have some free money?

[purest]

hai guize can i have some free money?

facts:

- wall street gets interest-free-billion-dollar loans from the Fed Reserve

- they borrow at 0% and lend the same money back to the government at 2-3%. aka, they stand in the middle and taking a gigantic cut when the government decides to lend money to itself.

- the banks also borrow billions at 0% to lend mortgages to us at 4%, or credit cards at 20% - 25%

- ordinary ppl like u and me have to borrow at market rates when we want a loan, we don't get interest-free-billion-dollar loans from the fed

- ordinary ppl begin to protest this and demand that wall street borrow their money at market rates like everyone else

somehow, you come to the conclusion that it is the ordinary ppl who are the ones who are getting or wanting free money in this situation. im curious as to which "graduate school" would accept someone as retarded as u

[burkemi5]

really? what makes me so retarded?

[burkemi5]

am i retarded because i have a different opinion than you?

[Truth]

if anyone is getting free money its wall st mob bosses at the taxpayer's (aka YOU, your children, your debt-slaved grandchildren) expense

[booter]

am i retarded because i have a different opinion than you?

No, just for being objectively wrong.

[burkemi5]

No, just for being objectively wrong.

what did i say that was wrong?

[picodefaggo]

list of insanely stupid posters who've posted on page 7 (change # of posts per page u scrubs):

vaylorian
burkemi5

will update list as needed

[Jerry Garcia]

facts:

- wall street gets interest-free-billion-dollar loans from the Fed Reserve

- they borrow at 0% and lend the same money back to the government at 2-3%. aka, they stand in the middle and taking a gigantic cut when the government decides to lend money to itself.

- the banks also borrow billions at 0% to lend mortgages to us at 4%, or credit cards at 20% - 25%

- ordinary ppl like u and me have to borrow at market rates when we want a loan, we don't get interest-free-billion-dollar loans from the fed

- ordinary ppl begin to protest this and demand that wall street borrow their money at market rates like everyone else

somehow, you come to the conclusion that it is the ordinary ppl who are the ones who are getting or wanting free money in this situation. im curious as to which "graduate school" would accept someone as retarded as u

really? what makes me so retarded?

facts:

- wall street gets interest-free-billion-dollar loans from the Fed Reserve

- they borrow at 0% and lend the same money back to the government at 2-3%. aka, they stand in the middle and taking a gigantic cut when the government decides to lend money to itself.

- the banks also borrow billions at 0% to lend mortgages to us at 4%, or credit cards at 20% - 25%

- ordinary ppl like u and me have to borrow at market rates when we want a loan, we don't get interest-free-billion-dollar loans from the fed

- ordinary ppl begin to protest this and demand that wall street borrow their money at market rates like everyone else

somehow, you come to the conclusion that it is the ordinary ppl who are the ones who are getting or wanting free money in this situation. im curious as to which "graduate school" would accept someone as retarded as u

[Jerry Garcia]

purist the logic A-bomb

rest of yall the logic A-hole

[burkemi5]

lol @ all you dudes getting butt hurt when someone disagrees with you

[Truth]

Your profound and celebrated ignorance does not butt hurt me, just reaffirms what I already believed about the vast herd.

[burkemi5]

really? because i don't agree with the "we are the 99%" propaganda that makes me ignorant?

looks like i'm not the only one.
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2011/11/occupy-wall-street-favor-fading.html

believe it or not, it's possible to have more than one opinion in regards to all this political bullshit. it doesn't make me retarded/ignorant/etc when i take a different stance than you do.

[picodefaggo]

believe it or not, it's possible to have more than one opinion in regards to all this political bullshit.

ur absolutely right

[picodefaggo]

unfortunately though, in this care ur opinions are still stupid as shit

[picodefaggo]

pg 8 idiot list:

burkemi5

[Harrison]

This thread needs videos of hippies being shot, beat, and put in jail.

Mmmmmm

[picodefaggo]

320g of sliced prosciutto plz

[burkemi5]

unfortunately though, in this care ur opinions are still stupid as shit

damn dude why didn't you bust this logic out from the beginning i'm totally convinced

[Bazia]

People are thinking about it too much, tbh if I can make enough of a living to make my family comfortable (which I currently am) I don't care if some random due is getting rich off the system.

[georgie]

take a shower

[georgie]

hippies

[Bazooka]

take a shower

[burkemi5]

People are thinking about it too much, tbh if I can make enough of a living to make my family comfortable (which I currently am) I don't care if some random due is getting rich off the system.

couldn't agree more

[purest]

ya thinking is dangerous bros don't think

what "graduate school" did u say u were in again?

[Truth]

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/5441/sigfur.jpg

[burkemi5]

ohio state

[Truth]

http://pichars.org/store/1152_original_3UdKk.

[Harrison]

http://obrag.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/pepperspraysd10-14.jpg

[Truth]

Harrison like other low level tyrants enjoys watching centurions of his own class abuse the peasants of his own class

[Jerry Garcia]

end slave-on-slave violence now

[Rallyd]

lol'd at this thread, you've got brainwashed zealots who listen to rush limbaugh on a daily basis vs whatever's left over who aren't retarded enough to fall for that propaganda. Who wins in the end? Same as any pvp server, whoever is willing to fight for longer.

[Hasbinbad]

People who have never attended an entire General Assembly should not talk about what the Occupy movement is or is not.

[Jerry Garcia]

People who have never attended an entire General Assembly should not talk about what the Occupy movement is or is not.

pretty sure its not about being an exclusive shitheel

[Massive Marc]

People who have never attended an entire General Assembly should not talk about what the Occupy movement is or is not.


The movement itself doesn't know what it's about. How do the people. There's hundreds of different issues spewing out of the mouths of these hippies.

The main message, I agree with, but I WILL NOT support these fucks demanding there debt be wiped because they took a shitty womens study course and couldn't get a job from it. I will NOT support murder during a protest.

Yes take money out of politics. No don't quit your job to go protest about not having a job.

[pickled_heretic]

The movement itself doesn't know what it's about. How do the people. There's hundreds of different issues spewing out of the mouths of these hippies.

The main message, I agree with, but I WILL NOT support these fucks demanding there debt be wiped because they took a shitty womens study course and couldn't get a job from it. I will NOT support murder during a protest.

Yes take money out of politics. No don't quit your job to go protest about not having a job.

funny, cause i just listened to an interview from a woman yesterday on NPR who is working 2 jobs while also attending these protests. she said she was literally physically assaulted by a police officer as they were trying to break up an otherwise peaceful protest. she also had a fairly easy to understand message. who are the police protecting and serving? the people? or corruption?

[Aadill]

The main message, I agree with, but I WILL NOT support these fucks demanding there debt be wiped because they took a shitty womens study course and couldn't get a job from it. I will NOT support murder during a protest.

Yes take money out of politics. No don't quit your job to go protest about not having a job.

What? I agree that some want their debt wiped and I think it's phalooey but more importantly the debt itself shouldn't exist. What it comes down to is this:

*Unions upped wages for teachers.
*Higher learning institutions upped revenue to pay for it.
*Higher learning institutions sopped up students' money to pay for it.
*Higher learning institutions realized they could get even more revenue when the government was more willing to supply student loans to cover the tuition hikes. They took even more money.
*Higher learning institutions (including law schools) DID actually lie (and get caught) about the profitability of some of the most prevalent degrees to get more people to apply and more students-on-loan to attend.
*Society stated, "hey, get a degree in this and you're good." How many years has that been the mantra of the previous generation? "Do what we did you'll live on easy street."
*Private sector pushed a lot of jobs overseas for the past 20-30 years, removing many production-based jobs, leaving mainly only service positions.
*Those getting out of college felt they were getting the short end of the stick. It became the norm to hear "you're overqualified" instead of "you're hired."
*The most menial jobs that are available are being taken by previous generations, leaving even less means to pay back the debt.



*More importantly all the prices of everything have gone up by hundreds of percent in comparison to the current minimum wage. It cannot keep up. Debt becomes almost a certain reality for a lot of people who have the dream of going to school.

*The premium increase is the same system that is seen in hospital/health insurance situations. Tylenol is not $25 a pill. A warm blanket is not $10. Health insurance pays for it (yay) Health insurance wouldn't be as expensive if hospitals would stop overcharging. Of course, a large portion of that money goes to it's workers who also need to make a living and find a way to make ends meet so the entire system is leaving a generation without a way to get out (or at least making it more difficult) because more money is the only answer. When you can't get more money you're fucked.


This is coming from someone who decided it was in the best of interests to walk away from college after realizing how much I was paying for so little. I have 0 debt as I purchased my car with cash that I saved. I have a positive income but also own no home. I pay health insurance car insurance and still maintain a comfortable lifestyle. If I lose my job I'd probably be up shit creek but I also have a backup fortune to take care of that for a while. I still identify with people that have not been that fortunate or miserly as myself because, excuse the inanity of this statement, humans are people, too.

The system is built to be unfair. The system is built to be a money sink... if you have it to spend on it, do it. If you can get a loan and pay it back, do it. If you can get a loan and can't pay it back, someone needs to do some 'splainin.


Even if you're against the idea of students attending schools they can't afford that then go into debt, think about it like this: Without the loans those schools wouldn't even be getting the money they currently do. It's a business much like any other private (or public) company. At the end of the day they need to turn a buck and accepting someone who will most assuredly go into debt all the while having a financing officer tell them, "oh we can work it out!" is a great way to get the green they need.

Hospitals do the same thing but on the opposite end of the spectrum; they are bound by the Hippocratic oath. They are required to treat anyone that comes through the door, even if the bare minimum. Part of their extended costs goes to cover those patients that insurance doesn't (or won't) cover.

[Bazia]

Sounds like a bunch of spoiled whiners who are pissed they studied retarded courses and can't find a cushy job after college.

You know what is always hiring?

Menial labor, if they wanted to make this country a better place they would go get jobs they seem to think they're *above* and pay some god damn taxes instead of bitching like spoiled brats.

Should have went to college when you could afford it, not on a bunch of loans and be mad at the world that things aren't working out for your dumbass.

[Aadill]

Oh yeah and as an example the local Occupy protest in my town has about 70-80% fully employed individuals that regularly camp out. The remainders are part timers, self employed, or homeless that either support the cause or just want a safe place to sleep (and may still support the cause but I can't effing understand them)

[Massive Marc]

An intelligent discussion going on here:

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=362641

[Aadill]

An intelligent discussion going on here:

Captain Morgan's posts, especially.

[Aadill]

LIVE STREAM: http://www.ustream.tv/THEOTHER99

no one is allowed in or out. Police:Protester ratio is getting to 1:1.

[Silentone]

They are now occupying down town los angeles..

[Diggles]

#OccupyVisage

[vaylorie]

Valid points or not, they are making themselves a different kind of 'the 1%' (the 1% of Americans are retards) with the approach they are using.

I think parts of their message is universal and would get widespread agreement and they would get more of the actual 99% on board if they could clearly articulate their message, work inside the existing structures in place to demonstrate and stop the aggressive & disruptive approach they are using... They are making themselves fringe.

Also, they should probably stop putting feces on everything to be somewhat identifiable with the people they claim to represent (99%).

[Shiftin]

*Private sector pushed a lot of jobs overseas for the past 20-30 years, removing many production-based jobs, leaving mainly only service positions.

These jobs move overseas because it is nonsensically expensive to employ people to do manual labor full time in this country between unions, the cost of complying with incredibly complex federal, state and local regulations, payroll tax, workman's comp and related insurance, minimum wage, etc.

None of those things a business has control over, so to imply that businesses are at fault for wanting to operate at a profit by sourcing manufacturing overseas is absurd, as are many of the other random statistics cobbled together with implied causation used by the protestors. They show a STUNNING lack of a working knowledge of things like the tax code, business history, cost accounting, macro economics, etc. It's amazingly easy to blame faceless corporations for your problems if you don't examine the processes by which businesses arrived at their current method of operation.

The american auto industry is a pretty perfect example. Those companies kept manufacturing here as a matter of pride and principle and required a massive bailout due to their completely borked cost structure imposed by unions and unreasonable pension expectations / pay. They will go through the same process again in the future, it's absolutely inevitable without major changes.

[Hasbinbad]

If you haven't been to a General Assembly, and you are speaking about what Occupy is or is not, or what their message is, or what they want, you're an idiot.

[Slathar]

If you haven't been to a General Assembly, and you are speaking about what Occupy is or is not, or what their message is, or what they want, you're an idiot.

insufferable morons who brag about going to a GA like you are what turns 'mainstream' people off and prevents it from becoming a populist movement

in conclusion shut the fuck up

[Truth]

It's the working class getting pissed off at the uncountable abuses of the investment class. We've seen this struggle throughout history.

[Aadill]

Stuff about unions and American Pride

No shit. It's a combination of government and corporate pandering to the population and to each other. It's a complicated web. Frankly I don't support the majority of unions because they are just as much a problem, but I have also seen when and how they do make a positive impact.

It's not as simple as you think. Yeah, some people are p. dumb when it comes to this shit but a lot of people realize that society at large is just as responsible for the big fuckup we're in as much as the government, private and public companies, as well as the investment trading racket on Wall St.

Basically:

This shit is fucked and we're all pissed.

insufferable morons who brag about going to a GA like you are what turns 'mainstream' people off and prevents it from becoming a populist movement

in conclusion shut the fuck up

honestly I do have to agree. A lot of people feel alienated because of the on-site GAs but in that same regard those that also choose no further action than to complain aren't helping and probably would make GAs last for hours on end because they refuse to educate themselves on the issues before going to vote on them. That's happened at the GA, here. Unnecessary and inappropriate blocks is kinda dicks, imo. GAs are meant to vote and in my opinion offer a local site with which to communicate ideas or assign tasks. It can also be done online and therefore should be an option. Considering, however, that not everyone has a computer, those that take the trouble to go down to an occupation should not be marginalized.

As part of the communications group I helped propose what should be a simple item: announce upcoming proposals 24 hours in advance and post them online if you can. That way the people that NEED to vote as a block or discuss it further can do so face to face. This allows people to not have to worry about GA every fucking night, which allows people to part-time it when necessary. Being at GA is not the end all of the entire movement.

[Supreme]

If you haven't been to a General Assembly, and you are speaking about what Occupy is or is not, or what their message is, or what they want, you're an idiot.



Its one big bitch session without regard or respect for the foundation this country was built on so that they CAN even bitch about how much their lives suck.

I think we need to go to Iraq/Afghanistan and round up the native population and put them all on reservations. Then come back and get the 99% club and make them into settlers giving away FREE LAND in Iraq/Afghanistan.

There is your opprotunity!

[Shiftin]

It's not as simple as you think. Yeah, some people are p. dumb when it comes to this shit but a lot of people realize that society at large is just as responsible for the big fuckup we're in as much as the government, private and public companies, as well as the investment trading racket on Wall St.


I'm well aware of how complicated it is. I'm an accountant for a bank holding company with a masters in this and more than a passing interest in business history. There are a ton of specific, actionable and legistlatable things the movement could be pushing for. Unfortunately, the streets are full of people protesting what banks do who can't even explain the volcker rule.

[vaylorie]

Then stop calling yourselves the 99%. If you only are speaking on behalf of the people that have been to a GA, then call yourselves the .005%.

If you haven't been to a General Assembly, and you are speaking about what Occupy is or is not, or what their message is, or what they want, you're an idiot.

[Diggles]

#occupyhasbinbad

[Truth]

I'm well aware of how complicated it is. I'm an accountant for a bank holding company with a masters in this and more than a passing interest in business history. There are a ton of specific, actionable and legistlatable things the movement could be pushing for. Unfortunately, the streets are full of people protesting what banks do who can't even explain the volcker rule.

The volcker rule was a gutted version of glass-steagall that got removed anyways by lobbyists during the "reform" of 09-10.

[Truth]

Oh it actually made it in. Goog job America

[Jerry Garcia]

hey after 12 years in undergrad you gotta feel included in something

[Haul]

Sounds like a bunch of spoiled whiners who are pissed they studied retarded courses and can't find a cushy job after college.

You know what is always hiring?

Menial labor, if they wanted to make this country a better place they would go get jobs they seem to think they're *above* and pay some god damn taxes instead of bitching like spoiled brats.

Should have went to college when you could afford it, not on a bunch of loans and be mad at the world that things aren't working out for your dumbass.

This.

[Aadill]

The most intelligent insult of people who refuse to actually listen to the message has been:

"OCCUPY MY FORESKIN."

The least intelligent insult of people who refuse to actually listen to the message has been:

"NURBRBHRGRGHBR HURBHURBHRUGHRGUH LALELJEAF"


Those that take the time to get acquainted with people from their communities who are operating as part of the occupation are more inclined to ask, "why are you HERE," while pointing at the sidewalk, the city square, etc.

There are the people that understand and agree or disagree, and there are people that refuse to get it.

[Truth]

Everyone at a OWS is jobless.

Makes no sense because if so, then they're not Joe Taxpayer; the ones paying for Goldman's fraudulent derivatives bets with AIG, et al.

[Truth]

Man these psy-ops are really good. The corporate media put on a jingle and now the blind slaves loathe the slaves who can see.

[burkemi5]

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if it doesn't work, here's the link

[burkemi5]

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if it doesn't work, here's the link


bah it didn't work. go here http://www.thedailyshow.com/ and go to the "OWS divided" video. funny stuff.

[burkemi5]

whatever i guess it did work, sorry for the spam.

http://i.imgur.com/Lfef4.jpg

[Hasbinbad]

Dear Trolls:

LOL WUT?

If you only are speaking on behalf of the people that have been to a GA
You're the only person who said that.

What I said is this:

If you haven't been there when the process is happening, you're ignorant of what the movement is about.

--
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adjective 1. lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned: an ignorant man.
2. lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact: ignorant of quantum physics (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/quantum+physics).
3. uninformed; unaware.
4. due to or showing lack of knowledge or training: an ignorant statement.


--

There is no way to understand Occupy without participating. It is organized that way on purpose. People who say there is no message and that it is a rag tag group of hippies have obviously not participated, because that is blatantly untrue. These statements will become self-evident as time goes on, and I see no point in arguing this further.

People who aren't pissed off are asleep. People who don't understand that the original message of the Tea Party (before that movement was co-opted by the talk show pundits) was nearly identical to Occupy are blind. This movement is for all of you, whether you know it or not, and none of us honestly care if you care or not. There are enough who do. More will rise up.

They said that the revolution will not be televised. It is not being televised. Find live streams and u streams if you want to know what is [I]really going on.

-----

Dear the rest of you:

There is a huge action planned for tomorrow, as well as everything that is going on today. Feel free to contact me if you want to get hooked up with more information.

[Massive Marc]

That looks like a stab at Skyrim. Not impressed.

[Massive Marc]

That looks like a stab at Skyrim. Not impressed.

The cartoon, not HBB's hippy rant.

[purest]

whatever i guess it did work, sorry for the spam.

http://i.imgur.com/Lfef4.jpg

image posted on an everquest emulator server by an unemployed grad student at a 4th tier state school who lives w/parents

[Truth]

Feel derty, but

Dear Trolls:

There is no way to understand Occupy without participating. It is organized that way on purpose. People who say there is no message and that it is a rag tag group of hippies have obviously not participated, because that is blatantly untrue. These statements will become self-evident as time goes on, and I see no point in arguing this further.

People who aren't pissed off are asleep. People who don't understand that the original message of the Tea Party (before that movement was co-opted by the talk show pundits) was nearly identical to Occupy are blind. This movement is for all of you, whether you know it or not, and none of us honestly care if you care or not. There are enough who do. More will rise up.

They said that the revolution will not be televised. It is not being televised. Find live streams and u streams if you want to know what is really going on.

[Massive Marc]

Dear Trolls:

LOL WUT?


You're the only person who said that.

What I said is this:

If you haven't been there when the process is happening, you're ignorant of what the movement is about.

--
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adjective 1. lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned: an ignorant man.
2. lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact: ignorant of quantum physics (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/quantum+physics).
3. uninformed; unaware.
4. due to or showing lack of knowledge or training: an ignorant statement.


--

There is no way to understand Occupy without participating. It is organized that way on purpose. People who say there is no message and that it is a rag tag group of hippies have obviously not participated, because that is blatantly untrue. These statements will become self-evident as time goes on, and I see no point in arguing this further.

People who aren't pissed off are asleep. People who don't understand that the original message of the Tea Party (before that movement was co-opted by the talk show pundits) was nearly identical to Occupy are blind. This movement is for all of you, whether you know it or not, and none of us honestly care if you care or not. There are enough who do. More will rise up.

They said that the revolution will not be televised. It is not being televised. Find live streams and u streams if you want to know what is [I]really going on.

-----

Dear the rest of you:

There is a huge action planned for tomorrow, as well as everything that is going on today. Feel free to contact me if you want to get hooked up with more information.

Have some fail in your fellow man, hippy. We are clear about the "message" (Get money out of politics) Its not fucking hard.

People have a problem with when people are raped, murdered, complain about shitty courses they have, squatting on PRIVATE property and list over other bullshit going on during this movement.

See, in reality, people will listen to your message when its presented properly and coherently. Not when you are acting like a fucking retard.

[Massive Marc]

er fuck forgot no edit again , Faith in your fellow man.

[burkemi5]

image posted on an everquest emulator server by an unemployed grad student at a 4th tier state school who lives w/parents

lol "4th tier"
http://i.imgur.com/X7O2v.jpg

why you mad though?

also lives w/ parents / unemployed? don't project on me bro

[booter]

The Occupy Wall Street protesters have been widely criticized for “not having demands”, as if the lack of a clearly articulated policy platform undermines the legitimacy of those crying foul at a system that seems rigged - politically and economically - in favor of the well connected and wealthy few. But creating rules and incentives to effectively safeguard fairness, equity and opportunity in the global economy is complicated. Fixing what’s broken cannot be achieved with a single simple demand, or even a five-point plan.

There is widespread sentiment among many of the Occupiers that reducing the extraordinary influence of money in politics is imperative. This strong commitment to direct democracy is exemplified in the way Occupation working groups operate by consensus, in a transparent, non-hierarchical structure. Deep and significant reform to reduce the sway money exerts through campaign contributions and lobbying would help restore faith in the basic functioning of American democracy.

Likewise, financial industry insiders who recklessly sell low-grade assets to unsuspecting investors, on the basis of misleading information, turning a blind-eye when they should have known better, should face civil and criminal liability.

And there are other measures - none particularly radical - that can and should be taken to reduce risks and volatility and increase transparency and accountability in financial markets. Strengthening regulation, supervision and transparency in the banking sector, including through higher bank capital and margin requirements, would significantly improve risk management and governance.

[Hasbinbad]

People have a problem with when people are raped, murdered, complain about shitty courses they have, squatting on PRIVATE property and list over other bullshit going on during this movement.
I would be very very surprised if someone did a real study on crime incidences at occupy sites before and during occupy, and didn't find that there has been less crime in these areas because of occupy. The fact that the media is portraying crimes at occupy, as if we didn't have crime in this society - in these areas - is propaganda, pure and simple.

The murder in Oakland went down like this (I was there, that's how I know): Two Oakland men were starting to fight about something completely unrelated to Occupy. A sometimes-camper at O.O. tried to break up the fight because he knew it would bring negative press. One of the men who was originally fighting shot the camper who was trying to stop the fight.

Complaining about shitty courses? Are you really trying to insinuate that our education system is fine, and that students are whining?

There's this funny thing called evidence, which leads people capable of critical thinking to identify facts.

http://i.imgur.com/6rwtF.png
http://www.pisa.oecd.org (http://www.pisa.oecd.org/)

As far as "private property" goes, we're not shy about saying straight out that we are seizing that property from the banks. They are criminals, regardless of legal technicality, and we'll not allow them to hold UNUSED SPACE which they've legally stolen away from people who SLEEP OUTSIDE.

Fuck your private property.
See, in reality, people will listen to your message when its presented properly and coherently. Not when you are acting like a fucking retard.
There are enough who disagree with you to change society with or without your participation, and whether you know it or not, this movement is for you too. But thanks for your opinion.

[Hasbinbad]

..and before you even start, Harrison..

What do you think about the two war-injured, disabled, homeless veterans who were dragged off to jail by the Oakland Police department when they were camping on the lawn of the Veterans Administration building to protest reduction of their guaranteed benefits, which they fought, were injured, and watched friends die for?

[Hasbinbad]

Also, I'm waiting for someone to compare EVERY MAJOR LABOR-RIGHTS ORGANIZATION IN THE COUNTRY to rag-tag patchouli-wearing hippies..

[Hoggen]

Fuck your private property.



Your typically tortured logic with generalized useless "data" doesn't qualify as "fact."

The country was founded on the concept of private property. If you were just referring to the bankers that "stole" the "unused space," that's just as stupid.
Looks like ignore just got more crowded. No clue why I hadn't added you a long time ago.

[Bazia]

Fuck your private property.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT8L8bWVbY4MUTerIWJcBs8BZXz47auk qIptYokKO_qBQtMZxPIpw

[Kassel]

There is no way to understand Occupy without participating.

I just like to quote stupid things people say on the internet. Nothing to see here.

[Hasbinbad]

Your typically tortured logic with generalized useless "data" doesn't qualify as "fact."

The country was founded on the concept of private property. If you were just referring to the bankers that "stole" the "unused space," that's just as stupid.
Looks like ignore just got more crowded. No clue why I hadn't added you a long time ago.
This country was founded on Freedom brother, which is no longer evident upon detailed inspection of the options we are given as citizens. We're only presented with options deemed to be acceptable by the ruling class, and if you're really going to try and argue that, I have no time for you.

This country was founded with strong warnings about the power of banks and their ability to control policy. It was also founded by people who TOLD US TO REVOLT and throw down corrupt governments. THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED IN THE MIDST OF A GUERRILLA REVOLUTION.

http://i.imgur.com/8ily8.jpg

[Nune]

Your typically tortured logic with generalized useless "data" doesn't qualify as "fact."

The country was founded on the concept of private property. If you were just referring to the bankers that "stole" the "unused space," that's just as stupid.
Looks like ignore just got more crowded. No clue why I hadn't added you a long time ago.

Actually this country was founded on the idea that you should have the right to believe what you want, fight and protest for what you believe in, and not let the "rich and powerful" run your life you fucking moron. OHAI GUYZ I'm gonna particiate in debates then ignore people who don't agree with me. I bet you're a liberal.

[Hasbinbad]

generalized useless "data"
LoL. The verifiable fact that children from Taipei, Finland, Hong Kong, Korea, The Netherlands, Switzerland, Canada, Macao, Leichtenstein, Japan, New Zealand, Belgium, Australia, Estonia, Denmark, The Czech Republic, Iceland, Austria, Slovenia, Germany, Ireland, France, The United Kingdom, Poland, The Slovak Republic, Hungary, Luxembourd, Norway, Lithuania, Latvia, Spain, Azerbaijan, and The Russian Federation are better than children from the united states at Mathematics (and all other subjects, if you do the research), is "generalized useless data" to this guy. This is exactly why the revolution will succeed. The opposition is too stupid to do anything other than froth rabid hatred at us. Good game.

[Hasbinbad]

Think my opinions are isolated? TRY AND CROSS THE BROOKLYN BRIDGE RIGHT NOW MOTHERFUCKER.

[Hasbinbad]

Anyone seen Foley Square in the last 2-3 hours?

[Hasbinbad]

http://www.ustream.tv/

[Hasbinbad]

Mary Kay Henry (http://www.seiu.org/a/ourunion/mary-kay-henry.php) arrested on the Brooklyn Bridge with a group of other major labor officials, New York City Council officials, and New York City religious leaders.

http://inagist.com/msnbctv/137310892223250433/
http://twitpic.com/7fk8i3

Hippies tho, right?

[Hasbinbad]

Another flea-bagger hippie:

http://i2.crtcdn1.net/shows/countdown/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/KOShow20111116-Rainey-400x300.jpg

Dorli Rainey, 84, was pepper-sprayed by Seattle riot police in full body armor for legally and peacefully protesting legitimate violations of constitutionally guaranteed rights in the United States of America last night.

http://4.asset.soup.io/asset/2546/1716_e667_960.jpeg

[Hasbinbad]

Let's watch again how the 1% directs riot police to deal with peaceful University of California at Berkeley protests in the United States of America:

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[jarshale]

she looked at the cops. thats probable cause. she coulda been about to attack.

[Hasbinbad]

Oh.. Nothing to say?

roflfail.

[vaylorie]

Lol. After the cops take action. All of the sudden it was a peaceful gathering...

Hasbinbad, shouldnt you be at occupy Oakland trying to get more government handouts with the rest of them?

[Nune]

Because the Occupy movements are aimed at getting handouts? lolnpcf

[vaylorie]

How about lol at their constitutional rights being violated then?

[purest]

vaylorie isn't swayed by logic or factual statements, he only understands emotional arguments and distortions

[Fourthmeal]

OCCUPY TACO BELL

[Hasbinbad]

OCCUPY TACO BELL

[vaylorie]

You guys are right, I just don't get it... speaking of peaceful protesting.. here are pics of Occupy Oakland... pretty much simple folk just wanting to peaceably make a difference as Hasbinbad mentioned...

http://www.verumserum.com/media/2011/11/OO-Wells-Fargo-window.jpg

http://inceptionwallpaper.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Occupy-Oakland.jpg

http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg878/scaled.php?tn=0&server=878&filename=lu7z.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640

http://www.verumserum.com/media/2011/11/atm.jpg

http://www.verumserum.com/media/2011/11/dontfwithoakland.jpg

http://www.verumserum.com/media/2011/11/deathtocapitalism.jpg

http://www.verumserum.com/media/2011/11/killcops-500x333.jpg

http://www.verumserum.com/media/2011/11/OO-off-with-heads.jpg

[Abacab PvP Prophet]

I sense...

That my trust fund is in danger

[blammo]

cops are assholes, fuck 'em

[picodefaggo]

http://www.verumserum.com/media/2011/11/OO-off-with-heads.jpg

tea party version of sign: off with there heds

[Hasbinbad]

Yeah Vaylorie.. Nice tiny selection of pictures which is completely unrepresentative of what goes on on a regular basis..

The guys that dusted the window of Wells Fargo during the day were hooligans and vandals, and not at all representative of the movement as a whole. Nobody defends them or those actions. Most people think they were instigators or hired by spooks trying to make the movement look like shit.

We've already caught 3 infiltrators, 2 well known mini-pundits from the extremist right starting shit, and 1 undercover cop who was exposed.

In any case, it was either the unsupported actions of a few individuals (and we have since decided in the GA to support the turning in of hooligans as per the example in Portland), or the concerted actions of an outside group with an opposing agenda.

The night pictures were legitimate black bloc tactics used in the presence of deployed less-lethal weapons (tear gas, flash bangs, "rubber" bullets, pepper spray, batons). The daytime pictures of the vandalism were also representative of black bloc tactics used the night before. Also note that the majority of spray paint had been partially cleaned (and has now been completely cleaned) by Occupy members.

Those two dudes were friends, that's a smile and a victory yell, not a fight.

The kids are kids. Whatever.

The off with their heads sign is hilarious. I have some shots of that guy too. The government has legitimately forgotten why Bastille Day is celebrated in France. We're here to remind them.

[Abacab PvP Prophet]

Hasbinbad I don't support your turning in of "hooligans and vandals" because you're locking up my fellow anarchists because we decide to put down the picket sign for once and pick up a molotov.

[Hasbinbad]

By the way, the guy holding the flag is Zachary Runningwolf, an elder in the Ohlone Native American tribe, who's ancestral land is currently being occupied by The City of Oakland. He is the guy in the tree in Oakland right now.

http://i.imgur.com/6El0d.jpg

[Hasbinbad]

Hasbinbad I don't support your turning in of "hooligans and vandals" because you're locking up my fellow anarchists because we decide to put down the picket sign for once and pick up a molotov.
Wait for them to deploy tear gas bro. That's all.

[purest]

the rioting pics look legit to me kill all cops

[Hasbinbad]

It's not BB unless there are less lethals deployed.

[Abacab PvP Prophet]

Wait for them to deploy tear gas bro. That's all.

Anarchists are always betrayed in the end by the other ultra-leftists, 1917 anarchists supported the Bolsheviks and in the end they were purged as undesirables to "the cause" these movements build on the principles of anarchy, the anarchists take the brunt of conflict (we are the ones getting shot at, we are the ones risking federal charges NOT obstruction charges) yet we are ALWAYS betrayed by the left-wing.

When you lock the anarchists up you're taking away your para-military force, it is they who will be the first to fire back live ammunition at the police, it is they who will do conflict and break down the order.

So why you gotta lock us up because we cause damage? Eventually when the first shot is fired by the authorities you will all revert to what we currently are, and what we currently do

[vaylorie]

Yeah, you got me again... I am misrepresenting the movement based on just the few fringe elements... Like these...

Arson
Occupy Fort Collins – Member arrested, $10 million in damage
Occupy Portland - Member arrested for throwing Molotov Cocktail
Occupy Seattle – Suspicious fire at Bank of America 2.7 miles from camp
Occupy Portland – Three men arrested with homemade grenades

Assault/Threats
Occupy SF – 12 assaults in 24 hours
Occupy LA – 4 assaults including two with knives
Occupy Philly – Man punches woman in the face
Occupy LA – Two assaults including setting someone on fire
Occupy Berkeley – Police respond to three assault calls per night
Occupy Wall Street – Three men threaten the life of a sexual assault victim
Occupy Lawrence – Punch thrown
Occupy Orlando – Knife fight sends man to hospital
Occupy Portland – Multiple assaults within a 24 hr. period
Occupy Toledo – Man assaults police officer after arrest
Occupy San Diego – Woman assaults cameraman
Occupy Victoria – Man dumps urine on city worker
Occupy Vancouver – Two police officers bitten during near riot
Occupy Oakland – Death threats
Occupy Austin – Man in Joker make-up arrested for brandishing knife
Occupy Oakland – Man sets his dog on reporter
Occupy Oakland – Man pulls a knife in camp
Occupy Wall Street – Photographer assaulted

Drugs/Dealing
Occupy Boston – Two drug busts in a week
Occupy Boston – Another drug arrest
Occupy Boston – Heroin dealers busted were living with 6 year old boy directly behind welcome tent
Occupy Portland – First hand account “Drugs. Selling…Heroin. Meth.”
Occupy Portland – Video of open drug use in the camp

Fraud
National Lawyer’s Guild member Ari Douglas pretends to be run over by a police scooter

Illness/Death
Occupy Santa Cruz – Ringworm outbreak
Occupy Atlanta – TB outbreak
Occupy Wall Street – Zuccotti lung outbreak
Occupy New Orleans – Man discovered in tent had been dead 2 days
Occupy Portland – Body lice outbreak

Murder
Occupy Oakland – Fatal shooting

Public disturbance
Occupy Dallas – Protesters block bank entrance, 23 arrested
Occupy Vancouver – Mob with bullhorn enters bank
Occupy Wall Street – Protesters block bank entrance, four arrested
Occupier takes a bathroom break in the street
Occupy Vancouver – Occupiers disrupt debate, threaten riot when asked to leave
Occupy Long Beach – Group disrupts city council meeting
Occupy Boston – Three arrested for occupying Burger King
Occupy Oakland – Yelling and nonsense at Burger King
Occupy DC – Group storms AFP event, traps attendees inside

Rape/Sexual Assault
Occupy Philly – Man arrested for alleged rape
Occupy Wall Street – Two sexual assaults unreported to police
Occupy Wall Street – Man arrested for sexual assault, suspect in rape
Occupy Dallas – Sex offender allegedly rapes 14 year old
Occupy Ottawa – Sexual assaults go unreported to police
Occupy Lawrence – Sexual assault reported
Occupy Toronto – Foot sniffer arrested
Occupy Seattle – Man exposes himself to young girls
Occupy Portland – Sexual assault
Occupy Wall Street – Drunk gropes women in Zuccotti Park
Occupy Cleveland – Rape reported after an overnight stay
Occupy Glasgow – Possible gang rape
Occupy Baltimore – Multiple reports of harassment
Occupy Chicago – Man arrested for child porn
Occupy LA – Man charged with exposing himself to a child

Sedition
Occupy DC – Mike Malloy incites crowd to cheer for President Bush’s execution

Suicide/Overdose
Occupy Burlington – Man kills himself with handgun
Occupy Salt Lake City – Man found dead with syringe in his tent
Occupy Vancouver – Young woman dies of cocaine and heroine overdose
Occupy OKC – Young man with history of drug abuse found dead

Theft
Occupy Portland – Numerous cases of documented theft
Occupy Boston – Store owner suffers 4 break-ins since camp began

Vandalism
Occupy Eureka – Protesters use local bank as a toilet
Occupy Portland – Two banks vandalized, promises of more to come
Occupy Oakland – Bank windows broken, Whole Foods vandalized, broken windows
Occupy Boston – Banks vandalized with anarchist, OWS graffiti
Occupy Portland – Spike in vandalism near camp
Occupy SF: ATMs being smeared with feces
Occupy Santa Fe: Banks vandalized with OWS-themed graffiti
Occupy San Diego – Vendors cart vandalized with bodily fluids
Occupy graffiti found on PA governor’s mansion

[vaylorie]

Occupy Eureka – Protesters use local bank as a toilet

On a lighter not, this one sounds pretty funny...

[Abacab PvP Prophet]

d
Occupy Toronto – Foot sniffer arrested


lol

[Hasbinbad]

Yeah, you got me again... I am misrepresenting the movement based on just the few fringe elements... Like these...

Arson
Occupy Fort Collins – Member arrested, $10 million in damage
Occupy Portland - Member arrested for throwing Molotov Cocktail
Occupy Seattle – Suspicious fire at Bank of America 2.7 miles from camp
Occupy Portland – Three men arrested with homemade grenades

Assault/Threats
Occupy SF – 12 assaults in 24 hours
Occupy LA – 4 assaults including two with knives
Occupy Philly – Man punches woman in the face
Occupy LA – Two assaults including setting someone on fire
Occupy Berkeley – Police respond to three assault calls per night
Occupy Wall Street – Three men threaten the life of a sexual assault victim
Occupy Lawrence – Punch thrown
Occupy Orlando – Knife fight sends man to hospital
Occupy Portland – Multiple assaults within a 24 hr. period
Occupy Toledo – Man assaults police officer after arrest
Occupy San Diego – Woman assaults cameraman
Occupy Victoria – Man dumps urine on city worker
Occupy Vancouver – Two police officers bitten during near riot
Occupy Oakland – Death threats
Occupy Austin – Man in Joker make-up arrested for brandishing knife
Occupy Oakland – Man sets his dog on reporter
Occupy Oakland – Man pulls a knife in camp
Occupy Wall Street – Photographer assaulted

Drugs/Dealing
Occupy Boston – Two drug busts in a week
Occupy Boston – Another drug arrest
Occupy Boston – Heroin dealers busted were living with 6 year old boy directly behind welcome tent
Occupy Portland – First hand account “Drugs. Selling…Heroin. Meth.”
Occupy Portland – Video of open drug use in the camp

Fraud
National Lawyer’s Guild member Ari Douglas pretends to be run over by a police scooter

Illness/Death
Occupy Santa Cruz – Ringworm outbreak
Occupy Atlanta – TB outbreak
Occupy Wall Street – Zuccotti lung outbreak
Occupy New Orleans – Man discovered in tent had been dead 2 days
Occupy Portland – Body lice outbreak

Murder
Occupy Oakland – Fatal shooting

Public disturbance
Occupy Dallas – Protesters block bank entrance, 23 arrested
Occupy Vancouver – Mob with bullhorn enters bank
Occupy Wall Street – Protesters block bank entrance, four arrested
Occupier takes a bathroom break in the street
Occupy Vancouver – Occupiers disrupt debate, threaten riot when asked to leave
Occupy Long Beach – Group disrupts city council meeting
Occupy Boston – Three arrested for occupying Burger King
Occupy Oakland – Yelling and nonsense at Burger King
Occupy DC – Group storms AFP event, traps attendees inside

Rape/Sexual Assault
Occupy Philly – Man arrested for alleged rape
Occupy Wall Street – Two sexual assaults unreported to police
Occupy Wall Street – Man arrested for sexual assault, suspect in rape
Occupy Dallas – Sex offender allegedly rapes 14 year old
Occupy Ottawa – Sexual assaults go unreported to police
Occupy Lawrence – Sexual assault reported
Occupy Toronto – Foot sniffer arrested
Occupy Seattle – Man exposes himself to young girls
Occupy Portland – Sexual assault
Occupy Wall Street – Drunk gropes women in Zuccotti Park
Occupy Cleveland – Rape reported after an overnight stay
Occupy Glasgow – Possible gang rape
Occupy Baltimore – Multiple reports of harassment
Occupy Chicago – Man arrested for child porn
Occupy LA – Man charged with exposing himself to a child

Sedition
Occupy DC – Mike Malloy incites crowd to cheer for President Bush’s execution

Suicide/Overdose
Occupy Burlington – Man kills himself with handgun
Occupy Salt Lake City – Man found dead with syringe in his tent
Occupy Vancouver – Young woman dies of cocaine and heroine overdose
Occupy OKC – Young man with history of drug abuse found dead

Theft
Occupy Portland – Numerous cases of documented theft
Occupy Boston – Store owner suffers 4 break-ins since camp began

Vandalism
Occupy Eureka – Protesters use local bank as a toilet
Occupy Portland – Two banks vandalized, promises of more to come
Occupy Oakland – Bank windows broken, Whole Foods vandalized, broken windows
Occupy Boston – Banks vandalized with anarchist, OWS graffiti
Occupy Portland – Spike in vandalism near camp
Occupy SF: ATMs being smeared with feces
Occupy Santa Fe: Banks vandalized with OWS-themed graffiti
Occupy San Diego – Vendors cart vandalized with bodily fluids
Occupy graffiti found on PA governor’s mansion
Disorganized hippies sure accomplish a lot..

ROFL dude, you're using Verum Serum as a legitimate source?????

http://www.verumserum.com/?p=33490

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Citation Needed Bro]

rofl

[MrSparkle001]

This whole "occupy" thing isn't accomplishing anything but making the occupiers look like lazy bums. They need to organize, get representative backing, and effect some real political change, not just sit in parks revitalizing the 60's hippie movement.

This isn't being taken serious. It's not accomplishing anything and it's a shame because they have legitimate complaints. I agree with their cause, but man I don't agree with them.

[Abacab PvP Prophet]

Hasbinbad are you down with the party bro?

http://users.content.ytmnd.com/0/8/9/089456cfa412789c6a758fb0a1c6e5c8.gif

[Hasbinbad]

Let's read some more truths brought to you by Verum Serum:

Conclusions

Hitler clearly rejects atheism, paganism and also Christianity. He embraces the deism of Voltaire and the science of Darwin. His own metaphysical views — what few glimpses we have of them — appear to be deist with a hint of pantheism. God is a creator who set the natural world in motion and then has little more to do with it. God doesn’t do anything but he can be seen in everything.
In addition to his plain statements, Hitler also undertook actions which confirm the reality of his beliefs. For instance, rewriting the Bible and creating new commandments is not something a Christian would do. It does however make perfect sense for someone who believed Christianity was a useful fiction. Similarly, closing the seminaries, denominational schools and putting an end to Christian Youth movements does not make sense if Hitler was a believer. All the evidence lines up against such a conclusion.
There is a great deal of irony in Hitler’s views of religion. For while he frequently rejects atheism and Bolshevism (which he saw as a natural outgrowth of atheism), he has essentially accepted Marx’s view of religion as the opiate of the masses (though Marx went on to say that the opiate must be destroyed, whereas Hitler took a more laissez faire approach.) Furthermore, despite his belief in a distant deist god who favored the strong, Hitler essentially accepted the materialist view of history on which Marx’s views also rested.

So Marx is Hitler, and Hitler can't be a Christian because of logic.

GREAT SOURCE BRO

[vaylorie]

Hasbinbad... are you saying that they didn't happen or just mad that you don't agree with the source? There are news articles that tie to each story in the list. They just consolidated them into a list so none of it is really news citing them as a source.... just FYI.

I agree sparkle... I would agree with some of their main messages but their approach is making them fringe and unidentifiable for most Americans. Well said.

[Hasbinbad]

Hasbinbad... are you saying that they didn't happen or just mad that you don't agree with the source? There are news articles that tie to each story in the list. They just consolidated them into a list so none of it is really news citing them as a source.... just FYI.
I'm not saying they didn't happen.

Please complete a real study to compare the crime incidences at occupy sites before versus during occupy. Also verify that these crimes were committed by people associated with occupy rather than denizens of the area or vultures.

Till then, Verum Serum can suck a dick lol. They are a hardcore christian right organization couched as a personal blog.

[MrSparkle001]

Doesn't matter if they're associated with with occupy or not. "Occupy" is worthless. It's doing nothing. It's not getting "Occupy Party" representatives elected (IE there's no organization), it's not sending lobbyists to Washington, it's not working to effect political change in an organized and politically recognized manner...it's doing nothing but making the occupiers look like lazy bums.

Seriously.

[MrSparkle001]

They need to do what the Tea Party did. That's a movement that swept in and gained serious political power in a short time. They didn't do it by singing kumbayah in parks or shattering bank windows. They organized and got some serious political backing.

[Supreme]

I do not understand....

All the HIPPIES and FRINGE IDIOTS of our society have taken steps to HERD themselves together in BROADCASTED locations...

Why are we not wiping these morons out and start saving oxygen for those Americans that actually are productive tax paying citizens!

Where is the Jim Jones Kool-Aid stand when you need it!!!

[Auvdar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RFZrzg62Zj0