OCCUPY WALLSTREET! [Archive] - Page 3

Pico

11-22-2011, 10:10 PM

besides a couple posts in wtb/wts this guy's first post was

There are only two camps you can be in.....
1) Conservative
2) Retarded

(Politically) Almost all liberals have no idea why they are liberal other than the fact that they heard / think conservatives are all wealthy people that want poor people and cute bunnies to die a slow an painful death while they celebrate by rolling around in swimming pools of money...

The reality is that a vast majority of America is conservative. Conservatives want to keep the money that they earned / worked hard for and limit the role of the government and honor personal liberty.

Conservatives want to help themselves and succeed instead of relying on handouts from others. They want to give to the needy through charity and worthwhile causes instead of over taxation and mandated social welfare programs.

It's a fundamental difference of personal responsibility and 'equality'. You liberals think that if someone works hard and succeeds financially, it is your obligation to take their excess money and distribute it to people that haven't worked hard or been successful. You believe that it is best for the government to regulate things in any way possible to further the cause. You also fail to learn from the mistakes and seem blind to history, socialism doesn't work in practice.

Also, on the same track of 'blind to history', the Republican party & conservatives in general are painted as racists these days. Nobody remembers that it was the Republicans that pushed the Civil Rights Act through despite fierce Democratic opposition. The republicans also had unanimous support in providing the 13th Amendment, they voted for equal pay for African-American troops, repealed the fugitive slave acts, pushed the Voting Rights Act, etc...

That is all.

plz tell me why ur still responding to him

purest

11-22-2011, 10:12 PM

ya and literally 100% of the neckbeards' post history is neocon propaganda

guy is indoctrinated on levels that would make a scientologist blush

vaylorie

11-22-2011, 10:13 PM

Samoht, supreme court rulings and legal interpretations are public record. Please research on your own. Thank you.

vaylorie

11-22-2011, 10:15 PM

I didn't realize you guys had the answers to fix the system. Please do tell, how is OWS going to "fix the system" other than your generic childish bullshit of 'revolution' and 'overthrow'

Hasbinbad

11-22-2011, 10:16 PM

plz tell me why ur still responding to him
I'm using a variation of socratic irony (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_method) with intent to expose.

Samoht

11-22-2011, 10:16 PM

Samoht, supreme court rulings and legal interpretations are public record. Please research on your own. Thank you.

ahh, the history of the former dynasty. already proven incredibly wrong, but still has lingering effects on those that refuse to let it go.

Hasbinbad

11-22-2011, 10:16 PM

childish bullshit of 'revolution' and 'overthrow'
The founding fathers would like to have a word with you.

Pico

11-22-2011, 10:18 PM

this thread is now for posting likely pictures of vaylorie

most likely vaylorie:
http://i.imgur.com/BXdeR.jpg

Pico

11-22-2011, 10:20 PM

pretty good chance of being vaylorie:

http://i.imgur.com/BYriG.jpg

Kraftwerk

11-22-2011, 10:21 PM

I didn't realize you guys had the answers to fix the system. Please do tell, how is OWS going to "fix the system" other than your generic childish bullshit of 'revolution' and 'overthrow'

You answered your own question, revolution and complete overhaul of our political and financial systems are not just the solution but also the inevitable.

Pico

11-22-2011, 10:21 PM

a younger vaylorie with an unidentified mammal:

http://i.imgur.com/mRrli.jpg

vaylorie

11-22-2011, 10:22 PM

ahh, the history of the former dynasty. already proven incredibly wrong, but still has lingering effects on those that refuse to let it go.

Your cute. Stop paying your taxes to that 'former dynasty' and let me know how that works out for you.

Pico

11-22-2011, 10:22 PM

vaylorie out on the "town":

http://i.imgur.com/fs4Ez.jpg

vaylorie

11-22-2011, 10:23 PM

Revolution is a means to an end and not the end itself. You guys have grandiose plans... What are you going to change?

Pico

11-22-2011, 10:24 PM

i interrupt ur viewing of probably pictures of vaylorie because vaylorie's aunt ingrid wanted to be included:

http://i.imgur.com/rFJdy.jpg

Kraftwerk

11-22-2011, 10:24 PM

Also you're still talking about the system as 'fixable' which just proves you don't get it and are desperately clinging to a hope the current corrupt and irreparable system can be salvaged. It can't and complete change is coming.

Pico

11-22-2011, 10:25 PM

ok back to vaylorie, here he (?) is fightin the good 'murkin fight

http://i.imgur.com/oDVLC.jpg

vaylorie

11-22-2011, 10:25 PM

Great. Bring on the change. What is the change going to be? What are we changing into?

Pico

11-22-2011, 10:25 PM

"son of vaylorie"

http://i.imgur.com/HUi3b.jpg

purest

11-22-2011, 10:26 PM

vaylorie practicing how to paraphrase michelle malkin talking points

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/8185/vaylorie.png

Pico

11-22-2011, 10:26 PM

gotta spruce up for the ladies, here's vaylories dating pic

http://i.imgur.com/TFsEJ.jpg

Kraftwerk

11-22-2011, 10:26 PM

And Hasbin, I know you'll get back to me on how government spending and size needs to be reduced starting with The Fed and financial systems. I look forward to it.

Hasbinbad

11-22-2011, 10:27 PM

This is how I think Vay sees himself:

http://i.imgur.com/1pcTk.jpg

Hasbinbad

11-22-2011, 10:28 PM

a younger vaylorie with an unidentified mammal:

http://i.imgur.com/mRrli.jpg
Yes, but which one is which???

Pico

11-22-2011, 10:30 PM

here are two species showing strong indications of vaylorie

http://i.imgur.com/YxjCf.jpg

Pico

11-22-2011, 10:31 PM

eat ur heart out for vaylorie

http://i.imgur.com/a3OxN.jpg

vaylorie

11-22-2011, 10:33 PM

Hasbinbad

11-22-2011, 10:35 PM

Revolution is a means to an end and not the end itself. You guys have grandiose plans... What are you going to change?
The thing about Occupy is that it is in a formative state. None of us is stupid enough to think that any of us has all of the answers. Go to a General Assembly and see how it works. The solutions are cropping up, few and far between sometimes, but they are there.

However, just because none of us has the idiocy to think that we have the answers, we all know one truth which is self evident. Shit is fucked up.

We also know that working within the system is what has not worked for the last 50ish years. Shit has gotten consistently more and more fucked up. You don't have to be a political theorist or leader type to understand that.

We've recognized that in a system which plays the people against itself (two party system) in order to achieve policy goals which none of us want (when was the last time you heard a libertarian or a legitimate old school tea party-er say the military budget was a good idea?) via a complicated shell game which doesn't offer us any chance to direct the flow of this country, the only way to change anything is to uproot completely the powers that be, and install a new government in it's place.

Shall I type the relevant portions of the constitution and the declaration of independence for you, or are you going to agree that you're a fucking moron?

Hasbinbad

11-22-2011, 10:37 PM

Dang. Apparently I hit a nerve with you guys not being able to reason.

Btw. Typical OWS protesters. Love to complain, envious of the successful and no rel plan other than 'change' and 'revolution'. An you wonder why America thinks your all homeless violent hippies?
You haven't addressed any of my arguments. You've continued to use logical fallacies to further your unsubstantiated claims. Any thinking person sees you for what you are at this point.

Done. Have fun looking yourself in the mirror.

Pico

11-22-2011, 10:37 PM

vaylorie's great vacation

http://i.imgur.com/j2HAY.jpg

Pico

11-22-2011, 10:38 PM

best not fuck with potential vaylorie

http://i.imgur.com/CHlob.jpg

Pico

11-22-2011, 10:40 PM

vaylorie being excluded from 'fitting room'

http://i.imgur.com/qlMlm.jpg

vaylorie

11-22-2011, 10:40 PM

You say you want to 'fix the system' with no real strategy. You honestly believe that your small group of adolescence can 'overthrow' the 'system'? You think the very real and still active government won't Use every means at their disposal to put down a tiny uprising including domestic military action (although not required for the dainty following currently engaged in OWS)?

Grow the fuck up or get a plan. You can speak like you know something but when it comes down to it all you have is complaining more about the successful and how the system is rigged against you. You wonder why people say to STFU and get a job?

purest

11-22-2011, 10:42 PM

haha how cute, he thinks he's "proving" "points" with "reason"

*pats vaylorie on the head*

purest

11-22-2011, 10:43 PM

Pico

11-22-2011, 10:43 PM

vaylorie dreaming wistfully about a world without blacks

http://i.imgur.com/lI24Y.jpg

Kraftwerk

11-22-2011, 10:43 PM

Jimes

11-22-2011, 10:44 PM

More pages of walls of text. What is the point exactly? You guys changing any minds? Solving any problems?

Kraftwerk

11-22-2011, 10:46 PM

More pages of walls of text. What is the point exactly? You guys changing any minds? Solving any problems?

A good representation of problems with America. Since when was changing minds or solving problems necessary?

Discourse for the sake of discourse is nourishment of intellect. You choose ipads and sports as hobbies, I choose understanding financial markets and global economics.

Jimes

11-22-2011, 10:50 PM

A good representation of problems with America. Since when was changing minds or solving problems necessary?

Discourse for the sake of discourse is nourishment of intellect. You choose ipads and sports as hobbies, I choose understanding financial markets and global economics.

"Nourishment of intellect." lol that's a good one. You dipshits are just arguing about current events, not debating philosophy. You get your kicks arguing with people. That makes you an asshole, not an intellectual.

Samoht

11-22-2011, 10:52 PM

envious of the successful

I don't know which is funnier, that this guy thinks of himself as successful or that he believes we envy him.

You think the very real and still active government won't Use every means at their disposal to put down a tiny uprising including domestic military action

You don't think our military isn't tired enough of killing innocent civilians overseas in the name of imperialism that they're willing to follow through with it domestically, especially after the police force in Oakland put a marine in a coma?

You get your kicks arguing with people. That makes you an asshole, not an intellectual.

Belittling and demeaning people on the Internet for the purpose of belittling and demeaning people on the Internet makes you a... Jimes? What was your purpose in this thread again besides starting an argument?

Jimes

11-22-2011, 10:56 PM

Belittling and demeaning people on the Internet for the purpose of belittling and demeaning people on the Internet makes you a... Jimes? What was your purpose in this thread again besides starting an argument?

Clever stuff buddy. You totally turned it around on me!

vaylorie

11-22-2011, 11:09 PM

I have a few solutions to problems facing the majority of Americans actually that could be enacted as soon as possible in order to begin the overhaul of the system:

- 90% reduction in The Federal Reserve's power to affect/influence/manipulate United States and global financial markets through use of printing fiat and ZIRP to send inflation sky high
- no more appointment of The Federal Reserve head, through election along with President
- enact limits on congressional terms, career politicians are whats wrong. increasing the turnaround rate on senators/representatives would provide better opportunities to best provide for the many, not opportunities for the few to know they'll just retain office as an incumbent no matter what they do
- cuts in military spending
- a return to capitalist/free market through complete or almost complete reduction of government intervention. no more TARP funding, no more bailouts. failing institutions are left to fail, smarter and better businesses are born in the ashes

Let me mull over some more.

Good points certainly. I guess I would follow that these seem like changes (significant certainly) to our existing system. Primarily due to the wording I suppose... things like 'cuts in military spending' assume existing spending and a return to xxx signifies changes to an existing system.

I've read pages of 'revolution' 'overthrow' 'new system' 'can't fix' 'old dynasty' etc. Again, these seem like somewhat significant changes to an existing system.

vaylorie

11-22-2011, 11:11 PM

I don't know which is funnier, that this guy thinks of himself as successful or that he believes we envy him. ... plus other dribble

You have added a lot of value to the conversation. You bring up a good point. I certainly view myself as successful in a rounded sense. Do you consider yourself to be successful and how do you define success?

vaylorie

11-22-2011, 11:20 PM

stuff n shit

Good job trying to keep up Hasbinbad. You have earned yourself one Van Der Meme!

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfrdph18C01qf8yek.gif

Samoht

11-22-2011, 11:44 PM

Man, I wish I lacked the mental capacity to understand the stuff that was going on around me and be ignorantly blissful again. I guess you're successful in a sense that way.

vaylorie

11-22-2011, 11:45 PM

Man, I wish I lacked the mental capacity to understand the stuff that was going on around me and be ignorantly blissful again. I guess you're successful in a sense that way.

So I guess that this means: No I don't view myself as successful nor do I know how I really classify success.

Samoht

11-22-2011, 11:47 PM

No I don't view myself as successful

Using my quote as a reference, you're right. I'm not an ignorant slave to the man.

nor do I know how I really classify success.

Expanding on that, success in this world would be living without debt. I don't owe the corporations or government a dime. Can you say the same?

Daldolma

11-22-2011, 11:52 PM

There's a lot more to success than living without debt.

In fact, I'd argue that many people with debt are far more successful than those without debt.

A manageable level of debt is not something to avoid. In many instances, it's advisable to take out loans.

vaylorie

11-22-2011, 11:54 PM

Well... I define success a bit differently (not strictly monetary but that is somewhat important).

I would imagine that this would vary person to person... I started with nothing, am under 30, have a great job that pays well, work hard and am valued in the workplace, have a wonderful wife and 2 kids, provide well for my family, only real debt is my mortgage, good friends and able to save quite a bit of money each month. This is my definition and why I view myself as relatively successful thus far.

Again, probably going to vary person to person.

Samoht

11-23-2011, 12:04 AM

it's advisable to take out loans.

Advisable by whom? Have you been paying attention to anything to do with the current economic crisis?

only real debt is my mortgage

Confirmed slave to the banking system.

vaylorie

11-23-2011, 12:06 AM

Haha. Now if you own a home, you are a 'slave to the banking system'... Gotta love the mature conversation... :)

Jerry Garcia

11-23-2011, 12:30 AM

own a home

my mortgage

You're a renter.

EnnoiaII

11-23-2011, 12:30 AM

Making some grilled chicken wraps tonight, PST.

With chipotle sauce?

burkemi5

11-23-2011, 12:32 AM

With chipotle sauce?

hi, billy mays here

Samoht

11-23-2011, 12:34 AM

have a great job that pays well, work hard and am valued in the workplace

Yeah, so valued, that you can argue on an Internet message board all day and not be missed.

have a wonderful wife and 2 kids

That you love so much that you spent quality time with all evening... No, you were obsessing over Hasbinbad's every word and waiting on him to respond.

you own a home

You don't own your home, your mortgage company does. You're probably in debt up to your eyeballs because of it, and it would take you more than 5 years salary dedicated 100% to paying it off to get out, but if you wish to call that success, go ahead. I'm still not envious.

You're a renter.

:)

vaylorie

11-23-2011, 01:00 AM

Yeah, so valued, that you can argue on an Internet message board all day and not be missed.

Yes.

That you love so much that you spent quality time with all evening... No, you were obsessing over Hasbinbad's every word and waiting on him to respond.

Yes. Lucky for me, my kids are visiting family so I have the luxury. Thanks for your concern.

You don't own your home, your mortgage company does. You're probably in debt up to your eyeballs because of it, and it would take you more than 5 years salary dedicated 100% to paying it off to get out, but if you wish to call that success, go ahead. I'm still not envious.

Thanks for the assumptions and concern about my finances. I'll go into a little detail for you as you don't seem to understand some things. First of all, sorry, not everyone wants to live in their parents basement. There is a concept I would suggest you look into called equity. For example, my homes current fair-market value is 365K, I owe probably 295K or so since I recently purchased (about 2 years). Even if I took a bath during a sale I would come out ahead due to equity. My payment is $2100 a month @ 4% (including taxes). Technically it would take me less than 2 years dedicated salary to pay it off. I bought after the market went down and got a 4% loan due to having established loan history (based on your previous comments you don't understand this either)

In spite of my mortgage and veritably no other real debt, I still find a way to put away about 1.5K a month into savings / etc.

Just out of curiosity, how much equity do you have in your parents basement?

Come back when you have some perspective and can discuss being a 'slave to the big banks'...

Diggles

11-23-2011, 01:25 AM

vaylorie gets ready for a dance!

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/308315_2155544163193_1084122266_31648645_695623982 _n.jpg

Pico

11-23-2011, 01:26 AM

http://i.imgur.com/B021H.jpg

Samoht

11-23-2011, 01:42 AM

Thanks for the assumptions

Let's play a game around assumptions here, shall we. One of the following statements is correct about the other. Can you guess which?

not everyone wants to live in their parents basement.
You're probably in debt up to your eyeballs because of it

Hint:

my homes current fair-market value is 365K, I owe probably 295K

Ouch. Now let's talk about perspective.

Come back when you have some perspective and can discuss being a 'slave to the big banks'...

You obviously work because you have to, not because you want to. That makes you a slave. On the other hand, I've realized the farce of the American housing market and rent from an individual without any kind of lease or contract. If I each of us were to try to leave our homes in the next 5 years, I would come out no worse, and you would have a hell of a time getting anywhere near the "fair market value" in this economy.

how much equity do you have in your parents basement?

While we're waving dicks: I'm younger than 30, drive a sports car that I ordered brand new from the manufacturer less than 5 years ago...

I bought after the market went down and got a 4% loan due to having established loan history (based on your previous comments you don't understand this either)

...and work as a team lead for the largest financial firm in America. I currently have 3 people working directly under me, and a requisition to get a contractor as a fourth. I have zero fiscal responsibilities; zero debt.

If I wanted to drop my life and live in luxury in a foreign country, I could. You couldn't even afford to leave your house, haha. Fortunately for me, I like Texas. I'm living where I want to live, working because I want to work.

That's why you're a slave to the institution.

And despite all of that, I'm still capable of realizing a travesty when I see one. So while you gloat about your $2100 a month rent payment (I seriously hope you're not saving 1.5k a month instead of putting it towards the principal on that loan, the 0.05% interest rate your bank is paying you is considerably less than the interest rate on your mortgage), I know that that's more payment than any red-blooded American ever needs to get by. That must be your problem. You seem disconnected from the common man. Disconnected from reality. It's definitely not the norm for the common American to waste that much on a house.

vaylorie

11-23-2011, 01:45 AM

...and work as a team lead for the largest financial firm in America.

Welcome to Occupy Wall Street /chuckle

Samoht

11-23-2011, 01:48 AM

That's funny, I never said my job had anything to do with Wall Street. In fact, I said I live in Texas.

< It's written right over there.

Jerry Garcia

11-23-2011, 01:48 AM

Let's play a game around assumptions here, shall we. One of the following statements is correct about the other. Can you guess which?

Hint:

Ouch. Now let's talk about perspective.

You obviously work because you have to, not because you want to. That makes you a slave. On the other hand, I've realized the farce of the American housing market and rent from an individual without any kind of lease or contract. If I each of us were to try to leave our homes in the next 5 years, I would come out no worse, and you would have a hell of a time getting anywhere near the "fair market value" in this economy.

While we're waving dicks: I'm younger than 30, drive a sports car that I ordered brand new from the manufacturer less than 5 years ago..

...and work as a team lead for the largest financial firm in America. I currently have 3 people working directly under me, and a requisition to get a contractor as a fourth. I have zero fiscal responsibilities; zero debt.

If I wanted to drop my life and live in luxury in a foreign country, I could. You couldn't even afford to leave your house, haha. Fortunately for me, I like Texas. I'm living where I want to live, working because I want to work.

That's why you're a slave to the institution.

And despite all of that, I'm still capable of realizing a travesty when I see one. So while you gloat about your $2100 a month rent payment (I seriously hope you're not saving 1.5k a month instead of putting it towards the principal on that loan, the 0.05% interest rate your bank is paying you is considerably less than the interest rate on your mortgage), I know that that's more payment than any red-blooded American ever needs to get by. That must be your problem. You seem disconnected from the common man. Disconnected from reality. It's definitely not the norm for the common American to waste that much on a house.

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Samoht

11-23-2011, 01:55 AM

have a wonderful wife and 2 kids

I bet there not even his kids. The wife, most likely an older woman, left her first husband for a man with more money than sense that's willing to put himself in debt so that she can live in a house that will fit 3 families comfortably and gallivant around the country without him.

Yes. Lucky for me, my kids are visiting family so I have the luxury.

Kids are with their real father, wife is with her real lover, lol.

vaylorie

11-23-2011, 02:01 AM

A couple notes.
1) It's not about 'waving dicks' just don't try to judge home ownership and my personal financial situation.
2) Fair market value is assuming a 2011 market. (note why I mentioned that I could even take a bath and come out well ahead)
3) do you work because you want to? I thoroughly enjoy my job, but in fairness, if I didn't need to work, I would probably stay home with my family.
4) Again, you aren't understanding, home ownership (unless you are upside down) doesn't mean that you have to pay off your home before moving (technically it does but not in the sense of cash out of pocket). I can sell my home (probably 90 days minimum in this market depending on where it is priced)
5) My home is certainly not excessive.
6) Thanks for the financial advice, as a best practice I try to keep all of my money in accounts that generate no interest or at least as low as I can get. You blew my doors off with that one. Do I need to cut you a check or anything?

Again... You view home ownership as a burden. Two things I left out previously. 1) Typically homes are an appreciable asset (we will see going forward as the last decade was filled with false appreciation) so theoretically can/will gain value over time. 2) Interest paid on mortgages is tax deductible.

To each his own my friend but I don't think your assessment of home owners being a slave to the institution is valid.

;) More importantly / humorous again from the OWS supporter.....
...and work as a team lead for the largest financial firm in America.

vaylorie

11-23-2011, 02:17 AM

Eh, I digress... back to the 'witty' banter about revolution and the like.

Samoht

11-23-2011, 02:21 AM

my homes current fair-market value is 365K
My home is certainly not excessive.

Man, you got gypped.

vaylorie

11-23-2011, 02:30 AM

Oh what the hell.. you win a free van der meme also...

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_leut7h1jX61qf8yek.gif

Diggles

11-23-2011, 02:34 AM

CAN'T ARGUE MUST AD HOMINEM

Diggles

11-23-2011, 02:35 AM

ps my avatar is better than w/e that is

Daldolma

11-23-2011, 03:45 AM

Man, the spin factor in the past couple pages is pretty insane. Somehow, the guy with a steady job, a house, and a family is the unstable one, whereas the guy living in Texas with no property, no lease, and a sports car is "successful".

No property of your own and no lease means you're on your ass at someone's else's whim. The minute they want their home back, you need to move on. Even most college kids living in dorms have more stability than that. Maybe that's fine with you now, but that's likely because you don't have a family. And maybe not having a family is cool for you. For most stable adults, a wife and kids are desirable. And for most wives and kids, housing stability is a necessity.

You seem to pick certain criteria (lack of debt, lack of financial obligations) and determine that those are the criteria which everyone should value. That's not how the world works. For as much as you value your ability to pick up and leave your housing situation, some -- many, in fact -- would prefer the permanence that comes with owning a home with an affordable mortgage payment. For as much as you apparently value your ability to leave your job, your city, and your home on a moment's notice, most people don't really want to leave their job, their city, or their home. They'd rather keep those things and start a family. Most people find a job they like, in a city they like, start a family they like, and then buy a home they like. So long as they can maintain their living conditions by meeting the mortgage, they're happy. Moreover, once the mortgage is paid off, they own a home. It's an investment like any other. When they are ready, they can sell. Or they can retire there. Someone that has spent his life renting better have a nice savings balance if they want to retire at a reasonably young age. Social security is basically fool's gold at this point, and if you retire at 65, you're looking at -- who knows? -- another 20 years of rent. Not a lot of people save enough money to cover 20 years of rent + living expenses.

And for what it's worth, I know what team leads at BoA make, and it's not nearly enough to act like you've got it all figured out. On that type of salary, you will absolutely need to take out loans if you want to own a quality home in the future. If you don't, that's fine -- but that's a personal preference that most don't share.

purest

11-23-2011, 05:17 AM

^ didnt read your giant wall of text nor will anyone else

Samoht

11-23-2011, 08:29 AM

It's just more fallacies and dick waving from another fuddy-duddy conservative or libertardian.

Jinzo

11-23-2011, 10:25 AM

I am a lurker. First time RnF post for me! be gentle!

The past 9 pages of this thread make my eyes bleed.

OWS isn't just in wall-street it is in in 951 cities in 82 countries. This protest is MASSIVE.

The global economy is failing. Its that easy. NOW WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE GOING TO DO?!?!?!?!?

The greed of the past 2 generations (WORLD WIDE) has fucked most people because in about 10 or so years we will hit a global depression if we do not fix shit.That is not really a disputed fact among leading economists.

So now its not some much overthrow the government more so OH MY GOD WHAT THE HELL ARE WE GONNA DO. much like when your parents find an ounce of weed in your room.

The protest is a little lacking in terms of message but i think it has done a good job on drawing attention to the issue.

PS
<3 HBB

Aadill

11-23-2011, 10:56 AM

^ this guy gets it.

Daldolma

11-23-2011, 11:48 AM

^ didnt read your giant wall of text nor will anyone else

Lulz at 20 lines being a giant wall. Also, at you still being butt-hurt over being 9,000% wrong about Iran. You are dumb.

vaylorie

11-23-2011, 12:02 PM

The protest is a little lacking in terms of message but i think it has done a good job on drawing attention to the issue.

What is the issue? The general 'shit is fucked up' sentiment? I think there are a lot of lists of issues out there from various OWS groups but they are all different and constantly changing?

Clearly, I'm not a protester but how do you know when you have influenced change and when do you pack up your things and go home? Just when 'shit is no longer fucked up'?

Of course the 'movement' is going to draw a large interest when the 'what are we protesting' is really every single participants individual gripes and complaints coupled with well meaning ideas. Obviously however, this isn't reasonable or scalable. Couple this with pages and pages of rants and complains and people using terminology like 'overthrow' 'restart' etc. and I have to ask... what is the end game here? What are you actually hoping to achieve?

Is it too much to expect a movement that has received considerable national media attention and are occupying the nations parks, streets and bridges to solidify on what they are trying to actually accomplish more than just 'fix shit'?

vaylorie

11-23-2011, 12:04 PM

Samoht

11-23-2011, 12:27 PM

What is the issue? The general 'shit is fucked up' sentiment? I think there are a lot of lists of issues out there from various OWS groups but they are all different and constantly changing?

Clearly, I'm not a protester but how do you know when you have influenced change and when do you pack up your things and go home? Just when 'shit is no longer fucked up'?

Of course the 'movement' is going to draw a large interest when the 'what are we protesting' is really every single participants individual gripes and complaints coupled with well meaning ideas. Obviously however, this isn't reasonable or scalable. Couple this with pages and pages of rants and complains and people using terminology like 'overthrow' 'restart' etc. and I have to ask... what is the end game here? What are you actually hoping to achieve?

Is it too much to expect a movement that has received considerable national media attention and are occupying the nations parks, streets and bridges to solidify on what they are trying to actually accomplish more than just 'fix shit'?

What they're protesting is clear, and their end-game is well defined. It's very reasonable. It's very scalable. It just doesn't match your opinion on the subject, so you try to discredit the entire purpose. Keep believing everything you read in the free press; you're obviously just another tool.

vaylorie

11-23-2011, 12:28 PM

Ok. Then what is it?

Jinzo

11-23-2011, 12:32 PM

Ok. Then what is it?

The protests are against social and economic inequality, high unemployment, greed, as well as corruption, and the undue influence of corporations—particularly that of the financial services sector—on government.

Samoht

11-23-2011, 12:33 PM

What? You mean their goal isn't shitting in the street? Oh my god.

Jinzo

11-23-2011, 12:35 PM

What? You mean their goal isn't shitting in the street? Oh my god.

It would seem that way.

vaylorie

11-23-2011, 12:46 PM

So what is the fix? What are you looking to achieve?

Samoht

11-23-2011, 12:55 PM

Do we really have to hold your hand?

End
social and economic inequality.

Fix
high unemployment.

Stop
greed, as well as corruption.

Curtail
the undue influence of corporations—particularly that of the financial services sector—on government.

Duh.

Samoht

11-23-2011, 01:10 PM

I always knew you guys couldn't think for yourselves. It's probably why your only arguments are regurgitated, biased opinions that you heard on AM radio.

vaylorie

11-23-2011, 01:11 PM

Admirable goals. How ate you guys going to do it?

vaylorie

11-23-2011, 01:13 PM

I always knew you guys couldn't think for yourselves. It's probably why your only arguments are regurgitated, biased opinions that you heard on AM radio.
Or because you guys speak in vague generalities like you did above. Fix unemployment, stop greed, etc. those are goals and not a plan to achieve goals or actually impact change.

Samoht

11-23-2011, 01:21 PM

You can remain naive and pretend the combined greedy pigs of congress and corporations aren't fleecing America, sure. Be my guest, but the rest of us are too smart to play along any more.

I don't know what your purpose is in pretending otherwise, and like I said before, you're acting ignorant to continue to insist that everything must be in writing upfront.

you guys speak in vague generalities like you did above. Fix unemployment, stop greed, etc. those are goals and not a plan to achieve goals or actually impact change.

You're still doing it, so my response remains appropriate.

I always knew you guys couldn't think for yourselves. It's probably why your only arguments are regurgitated, biased opinions that you heard on AM radio.

Unless you actually come up with a response of your own soon, rather than what the corporate sponsored media tells you to think, you're just going to prove how much of a huge tool you are. We already had an idea, it's just going to be cemented in fact.

Aadill

11-23-2011, 01:23 PM

Stop thinking that this movement is a protest with a means to an end, it's a people's movement in it's beginning stages. Furthermore it's really kind of stupid to expect a single, concise message that fits on a bumper sticker that explains ALL of the issues that this movement encompasses by individuals, groups, or the entire wishes of OWS and it's subsidiaries. If you want one, it is this:

WE ARE THE 99% AND WE WANT OUR VOICES HEARD.

Look, this movement has been highlighting problems that people have forgotten about because they are too worried about conservatives or liberals or, "them fuckin gays," or"them fuckin muslims." If you want detailed proposals take a look at this: http://october2011.org/blogs/kevin-zeese/99-s-deficit-proposal-how-create-jobs-reduce-wealth-divide-and-control-spending#.Tsifn0VKz6E.facebook

this is one example (not all of it do I agree with) of shit people in DC have done that far surpasses the supercommittee's expected goals in attempting to fix the fucking country's national debt problems. The government is responsible for letting things get the way they have but the individuals or corporations with political buying ability have run this country down a path that will take years to get back up.

vaylorie

11-23-2011, 01:32 PM

Unless you actually come up with a response of your own soon, rather than what the corporate sponsored media tells you to think, you're just going to prove how much of a huge tool you are. We already had an idea, it's just going to be cemented in fact.

This is exactly my point. Today, OWS is an awareness campaign gone awry.

You kids on the forum here like to make a lot of talk about revolution and the likes and think you are a part of something when in reality, most of those involved are only part of it due to their own envy and entitlement conditioning. Very few of you really want to help beyond helping yourselves. (opinion / observation)

Many of the things that you cite (wall street bailouts, unemployment, greed, etc.) were focal points and discussion points before OWS, so do you guys bring anything to the table other than increased awareness? (i.e. plan of action, etc.)

Samoht

11-23-2011, 01:45 PM

Let me try to make this easier for you.

Do you disagree with any of the following?

The protests are against social and economic inequality, high unemployment, greed, as well as corruption, and the undue influence of corporations—particularly that of the financial services sector—on government.

No? Wonderful.

Would you like to see them fixed?

Yes? Us, too.

Welcome to the 99%.

Aadill

11-23-2011, 01:46 PM

Many of the things that you cite (wall street bailouts, unemployment, greed, etc.) were focal points and discussion points before OWS, so do you guys bring anything to the table other than increased awareness? (i.e. plan of action, etc.)

A defiance to appropriate change without using the current system. It's been 2 months and people expect everyone to know how to make the world run. Over time one of two things will happen: ideas will coalesce and overturning of certain issues will happen or the movement will fade out due to extensive repression.

I don't know if you're aware but some people are already listening, even in the current system (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/19/fl-dem-congressman-introduces-pro-occupy-amendment-to-constitution/). Naturally it won't pass.. why would it?

That's why it's so hard to "use the system to get what we want"... it's a fucking mess that's being perpetuated by self interest. Give it more time, communicate with people instead of bicker:

I'm slated to grab a beer with a dude that originally said we were a bunch of jobless losers. He now understands us and agrees.

I was threatened by some marines whose friends later returned to have an intellectually stimulating conversation at 4 in the fucking morning when it was about 40 degrees outside. He expects our group to get off the sidewalk of the Capitol Grounds of NC and get inside the Capitol Building. We nodded our heads in agreement, in which he then thanked us for at least realizing the need for a future outlook.

This one woman used to harass us online but is now defending the ideals of OWS and is HOPING that we all see the need to move forward. She still disagrees with us in a lot of ways but it's becoming a more common occurrence, as many people have supported us with that viewpoint: people realize it's not about "gimme gimme gimme," but more about, "what mess are you leaving us in charge of?"

Samoht

11-23-2011, 01:49 PM

BUT TEH RADIO SEZ THUR POOPIN ON TEH STREET

WHO POOPS ON TEH STREET?

I'LL TELL YOU WHO. OBAMA. AND DEMOCRATS. AND COMMUNISTS. AND TERRORISTS.

FUCKIN TERRORISTS.

vaylorie

11-23-2011, 01:59 PM

As I've said many times throughout the 60 pages in this thread. I agree with some of the ideals but disagree with the approach that is being used, specifically around the civil disobedience and unwillingness to use the existing structure to enact change. As I've said before, organize and solidify and even form your own political party if needed but the bs (especially by the retarded OWS-ers on this forum) re: overthrow & new government is getting no where and making the movement look retarded. (especially by mainstream America).

Good luck with the awareness campaign and I really do hope you can organize and drop the fringe elements and reports of violence to become more relevant.

Samoht

11-23-2011, 02:06 PM

Wow, you're even dumber than I thought. Use the existing system to enact change? You mean the same system that pockets huge amounts of profits legally obtained by the loopholes it created for itself? Form your own political party? And compete with the two that are so entrenched by the current system that it awards your party money if you're in one of the top two active parties?

They're literally up on the hill, scratching each others' backs. And you still think it's democrats vs republicans.

You're an even bigger sheep than Harrison.

vaylorie

11-23-2011, 02:12 PM

Samoht, retards like you are exactly what will bring OWS to a screeching halt.

Peatree

11-23-2011, 02:14 PM

You guys know that Fippy is just trying to Occupy Queynos right?

Samoht

11-23-2011, 02:26 PM

Samoht, retards like you are exactly what will bring OWS to a screeching halt.

Oh, it's perfectly clear now who's functionally retarded about the laws in America and the goings-on in our government. And it's the "conservative" jack-asses like you propagating the message of corporate media by bullying the common people that are derailing the movement.

You don't owe them any kind of allegiance, but for some reason, you blindly follow them. You're clearly brainwashed, and you're a tool they're using to brainwash others. That's why you're so intent on posting your opinion here and refuse to relent until you have the last word.

I can guarantee that anything you post next is going to prove me right. Do it.

picodefaggo

11-23-2011, 02:35 PM

gee whiz ows had lead to the biggest rnf thread in months and huge amounts of discourse everywhere you go yep sure sounds like it's been a pointless endeavor so far

Aadill

11-23-2011, 02:42 PM

Oh yeah and here is a politician working inside the current system

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/illinois-republican-wants-chicago-area-51st-state-160924927.html

The bill, filed by State Rep. Bill Mitchell of Decatur Tuesday, would "enact legislation dividing Illinois and Cook County into separate states" because county residents "hold different and firmly seated views" on "politics, society, and economics" from people in the rest of the state. The bill's supporters point to higher tax rates and strict gun laws in the Chicago area and contend that the northern county is out of step with its Illinois neighbors.

Samoht

11-23-2011, 02:44 PM

That actually sounds perfectly reasonable to me. Those afraid of change will be objecting soon, I'm sure, but if the people aren't being adequately represented by their government, it's time to set up a new one.

Aadill

11-23-2011, 02:47 PM

it's hilariously childish but at the same time it definitely begs the question, why are we working in a system that fails us?

vaylorie

11-23-2011, 03:23 PM

Oh, it's perfectly clear now who's functionally retarded about the laws in America and the goings-on in our government.
Since you well versed in the laws in America and the goings-on in our government, please enlighten me as to why enacting change inside of the current system wouldn't work. (again from a laws and 'goings-on' perspective)

And it's the "conservative" jack-asses like you propagating the message of corporate media by bullying the common people that are derailing the movement.
So you are derailing the movement? Also, all I have asked for is details / plans / expectations, this enrages you as you have no details.

You don't owe them any kind of allegiance, but for some reason, you blindly follow them. You're clearly brainwashed, and you're a tool they're using to brainwash others. That's why you're so intent on posting your opinion here and refuse to relent until you have the last word.

I can guarantee that anything you post next is going to prove me right. Do it.
Just for clarity, who specifically is 'them' & 'they'. The government in general? The 1%? The ominous sounding 'corporate media'?

Your small brain can only conceive that someone must be 'brainwashed' if they don't see things the way you do. You show your own ignorance.

Again, everyone one of your posts floats around the periphery of facts and details but never addresses them. If you were able, you would post specifics. Believe it or not, 'the system is broken' is not a fact or detailed analysis.. that is your opinion. If you submit that the existing system is broken, then has it always been broken? Was it changed at one point or numerous points throughout history that led it now to it's current state of brokenness? Can you point to those things? Who changed it and what was the context around the change? If it was working at some point how is it now irreparable? etc, etc. You spout this shit off but have no understanding of the details or facts that might lead one to say 'the system is broken'. You see that you are not successful and think that it must be the systems fault and that is enough reasoning to call you to action. Indeed, I am the brainwashed & ignorant one.

Samoht

11-23-2011, 03:27 PM

I can guarantee that anything you post next is going to prove me right. Do it.

Done, and done. Good night, retard.

Kraftwerk

11-23-2011, 03:52 PM

Yea, I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt but it's not worth it. He asks for changes, so I list some. Then a page or two later he asks again for changes. We explain it's not a particular political party but the manner in which they behave and do nothing of consequence (see 'Super' Committee failing), then he says work with the inept parties over and over. We explain how government has created a system to benefit the highest income earners and themselves ( see legality of congressional insider trading ).

He says to work in the system, but we explain why it couldn't work ( see the complete lack of actual financial regulation enforcement). All he does is repeat his entreaties ad nauseum and ignores the legitimate points that address his systems and political parties.

I hate putting people on ignore but it's like listening to a broken record.

Samoht

11-23-2011, 04:00 PM

He's being intentionally obstinate in his defense of an obviously broken system, and I have no idea why, but I have no interest in continuing when his posts constantly degrade to bullying.

purest

11-23-2011, 04:08 PM

i want to thanks vaylorie for constantly bumping this thread to bring awareness to the cause, 10,000+ views and counting

Klath

11-23-2011, 04:22 PM

please enlighten me as to why enacting change inside of the current system wouldn't work. (again from a laws and 'goings-on' perspective)

Over the last 30 years or so the influence of money in politics has steadily increased. The recent Citizens United decision is the cherry on top of this trend. Over the same time period the middle class has been disappearing predominantly into the lower class. The result is that more and more money/political power is being concentrated in fewer and fewer people. As far as I can tell, it's this trend that the Occupy folks object to. The reason it's difficult to change this system from within is because pushing your agenda requires you have more money than those who are pushing back. This problem is compounded by the fact that the system reinforces itself as those with money use their power to skew the system in their favor.

Aadill

11-23-2011, 04:35 PM

The reason it's difficult to change this system from within is because pushing your agenda requires you have more money than those who are pushing back. This problem is compounded by the fact that the system reinforces itself as those with money use their power to skew the system in their favor.

Money can't fight anger.... there are 82 countries behind this general movement.... it's bigger than politics, it's the fucking human race.

Whether we figure out a way to work it like adults or with raised pitchforks, people are advocating for change.

Aadill

11-23-2011, 04:45 PM

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/316268_2527345699133_1118155732_32799753_208415171 6_n.jpg

cropped to hide MQ, eh.

Klath

11-23-2011, 04:45 PM

Money can't fight anger....

Money can do damn near anything if there's enough of it.

Samoht

11-23-2011, 04:48 PM

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/316268_2527345699133_1118155732_32799753_208415171 6_n.jpg

cropped to hide MQ, eh.

OH MAN

THAT COP SHOULD TOTALLY START BLUDGEONING THOSE PROTESTORS

IT'S CLEARLY JUSTIFIED

Aadill

11-23-2011, 04:49 PM

Money can do damn near anything if there's enough of it.

tell that to the arab leaders of the world.

more just poking fun at the point.... what it comes down to is from the beginning of this I realized, 'wow i've been an apathetic piece of shit when it comes to voting for my future.... I should make sure other people get some knowledge in their domes as well." Money can't prevent that. If it does then existentially speaking we're fucked as a race.

Aadill

11-23-2011, 04:50 PM

OH MAN

THAT COP SHOULD TOTALLY START BLUDGEONING THOSE PROTESTORS

IT'S CLEARLY JUSTIFIED

HE WAS TRYING TO GIVE ME PNEUMONIA.

vaylorie

11-23-2011, 05:09 PM

Speaking of taking the cause globally.. may need to redefine equality in the global discussion.. if you earn $25K or more you are in the top 10% of global income earners....

Aadill

11-23-2011, 05:17 PM

Annual income is a device that was defined by the media, not by the protesters. It's a divisive tactic used to get the people who "do the bare minimum" when it comes to being informed to have negative feelings towards the movement.

The 99% slogan is based off of the idea that a select few (1%) have the financial capability to sway the political landscape.

I don't give a shit if you have 5 yachts and 8 supercars... but if you are on a first name basis with members of Congress on the local state or national level then chances are you're the people I want to keep my eyes on.

Klath

11-23-2011, 05:29 PM

tell that to the arab leaders of the world.

more just poking fun at the point.... what it comes down to is from the beginning of this I realized, 'wow i've been an apathetic piece of shit when it comes to voting for my future.... I should make sure other people get some knowledge in their domes as well." Money can't prevent that. If it does then existentially speaking we're fucked as a race.

I hear ya. Greed and corruption are a cancer in our political system. If they go unchecked then, rich or poor, we all lose.

Hasbinbad

11-26-2011, 03:41 PM

Hi guys. I'm back. Been sick as hell. What'd I miss?

Samoht

11-26-2011, 03:43 PM

vaylorie proved he was only here to call names and bully people, trolled himself out of the thread

Hasbinbad

11-26-2011, 04:00 PM

Well he did that on his first post. I asked what I MISSED. (lol)

vaylorie

11-26-2011, 08:06 PM

You may have missed occupy recruiting homeless people since their numbers are dwindling due to having no central or coherent messaging.

Hasbinbad

11-26-2011, 09:34 PM

Right. Pick on homeless people. You're a great human being.

Samoht

11-26-2011, 10:29 PM

isn't that what republicans/libertarians do? pick on people who have no control of their situation and insist they should have indebted themselves more in life and still end up homeless?

Autotune

11-26-2011, 10:33 PM

isn't that what republicans/libertarians do? pick on people who have no control of their situation and insist they should have indebted themselves more in life and still end up homeless?

A homeless person has no control over their situation?

You must be trollin.

Samoht

11-26-2011, 10:44 PM

well maybe if your kind didn't insist on preaching the "abstinence only" policy, there wouldn't be so many people on welfare.

vaylorie

11-26-2011, 11:42 PM

well maybe if your kind didn't insist on preaching the "abstinence only" policy, there wouldn't be so many people on welfare.

Don't get what your point is here....
More Abstinence = More People on Welfare?

Hasbinbad

11-27-2011, 12:03 AM

Don't get what your point is here....
More Abstinence = More People on Welfare?
Abstinence Only policy was not really in favor of abstinence, it was in opposition to the use of birth control, and this opposition was couched in terms of religion, making it a sin to use birth control. What then happened was that religious people who didn't want to sin fucked (who the fuck is really gonna be abstinent [except Harrison, who can't get laid], amirite?) without condoms, leading to more births.

Hasbinbad

11-27-2011, 12:05 AM

OMG why am I responding to him still???

OBVIOUS TROLL NOT SO OBVIOUS TO TIRED, SICK HBB.

vaylorie

11-27-2011, 12:29 AM

That's awesome. Yes... this is the reason for high levels of welfare and homelessness.

The system is to blame for you knocking up Samoht's sister...

Hasbinbad

11-27-2011, 12:32 AM

It's certainly not the only reason, and nobody implied that, you miserable mental mongoloid, but it also certainly didn't help the problem.

vaylorie

11-27-2011, 12:56 AM

Sidebar observation:

Hasbinbad, you are a lover of insulting others. A psychologist would have a field day with you. Generally these things are clear indicators of internal insecurity, feeling powerless, threatened, manipulation, inferiority, projection, etc... You should see someone brother. :)

/back to the sideshow

Hasbinbad

11-27-2011, 01:45 AM

OMG, owned by Eashan. Shame.

Samoht

11-27-2011, 02:15 AM

OMG why am I responding to him still???

OBVIOUS TROLL NOT SO OBVIOUS TO TIRED, SICK HBB.

Nobody can really be that detached from reality. Seriously, put him/her/it on ignore (http://www.project1999.org/forums/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=19975), and use the view post button as a reminder to never allow yourself to respond to any post he/she/it makes.

Klath

11-27-2011, 07:57 AM

Nobody can really be that detached from reality.

Sadly, there are people that detached from reality. Whether he's one of them or not is impossible to say. Poe's Law is getting a workout these days.

Autotune

11-27-2011, 02:03 PM

well maybe if your kind didn't insist on preaching the "abstinence only" policy, there wouldn't be so many people on welfare.

My kind? idk what you are referring to.

My guild
My race
My sex
My regional location

?? you're going to have to elaborate as to what group you are throwing me into. Especially seeing how I don't preach "abstinence only" lol

Also, since when does welfare = homeless?

Truth

11-27-2011, 03:42 PM

Not that I really give a fuck, but I'm only trolling because Thomas is a moron.

Let's see, tell the kids "don't have sex because x and y and jesus" or "ya sex is fine for 12 year olds here's a bunch of condoms".

Sarah Kliff of Newsweek pointed out that there was no corresponding "indication of an uptick" in teen pregnancy rates when abstinence-only sex education funding was increased during the Clinton years, but in fact a small decline.[19]

Sources:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/01/AR2010020102628.html
http://www.tnr.com/blog/the-treatment/does-abstinence-only-education-work-after-all
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstinence-only_sex_education

Truth

11-27-2011, 03:53 PM

Life Sized Satanic Doll Serves As Masturbation Toy For America's Youth

When Mrs. Tawny Huxton opened her son Timmy's bedroom door, she was shocked to see his innocent white hiney nestled into the new 7ft Jar Jar Binks doll she had bought him for his birthday. Lately, many Americans have suffered similar incidents. Young children are being seduced by the character of George Lucas' latest Star Wars Movie. Jar Jar's soothing voice, and timid childlike manners, seem to lure young teens into a world of lustful abandon. Unsuspecting parents purchase the popular life-size doll, only to find out later that it is being used by the child as a masturbation toy.

Under the guise of family entertainment, Lucas' "Star Wars" prequel has contaminated America's youth with subliminal sexual innuendo. Pastor Deacon Fred of the Landover Baptist Church commented, "The demonic characteristics of the Jar Jar binks creature become obvious when one pays close attention. His forked tongue, his lapping, his malignant features, are all too noticeable to the Christ centered man." Experts who have examined the life-sized doll that has become the favorite 'toy' of 12-14 year old children, say that the evidence is overwhelming. The doll was created for the sole purpose of masturbation. It has four openings, and three extrusions, making it compatible for male or female pleasure.

Members of The Landover Baptist Church are outraged at the Satanic subtlety in which marketing geniuses have moved this horrific abomination into the homes of America's youth. "One Mother was concerned that her young daughter was not interested in boys," a Pastor noted, "she asked her little girl, 'why don't you talk about the cute boys at school?' Her daughter replied, 'oh momma, nobody I know is cuter than Jar Jar Binks.' The mother was horrified."

Landover Baptist Church finds that the only way to resolve this problem is to ban not only life sized Jar Jar Binks dolls from American homes, but to ban any life sized doll. "Any child that has seen this movie is finding that their natural attraction to members of the opposite sex is being replaced with an attraction to a 7ft devil with elephant feet, a 25 inch tongue, polka dot skin, a fish snout, and two phallic eyes that jut out like hard erotic pokers. For the Love of God! If you've got this devil in your house, remove it as soon as possible!

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0899/jar.html

Samoht

11-27-2011, 04:31 PM

Not that I really give a fuck, but I'm only trolling.

Come to say the same thing over and over until you look stupid in this thread, too?

Diggles

11-27-2011, 04:38 PM

samoht you look stupid no matter what you type so gg

Truth

11-27-2011, 05:26 PM

Come to say the same thing over and over until you look stupid in this thread, too?

You shut the fuck up pretty quick in the other one. It only took 5 schoolings for you to pack up your shit and leave, I guess that deserves a pat on the back.

seyret35

11-27-2011, 06:01 PM

this is important!

Autotune

11-27-2011, 06:11 PM

samoht you look stupid no matter what you type so gg

Maddox

11-27-2011, 06:18 PM

Come to say the same thing over and over until you look stupid in this thread, too?

Hah. Pretty much everything you have posted in this thread has been pointless and stupid. You sound like a child.

Harrison

11-27-2011, 06:19 PM

samoht you look stupid no matter what you type so gg

Samoht

11-27-2011, 10:15 PM

You shut the fuck up pretty quick in the other one. It only took 5 schoolings for you to pack up your shit and leave, I guess that deserves a pat on the back.

Or maybe I had had enough of your pretended ignorance, I mean irony, when you proved you weren't even in the same league as me when you didn't even know what irony meant.

irony [ahy-ruh-nee, ahy-er-] noun, plural -nies.
: the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.

You. had. to. look. the. word. up.

You can't even establish an argument well enough to post it in the bug forums, so you whine about it in the server forums. Just for clarification, RnF is here (http://www.project1999.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=55), bug forum is here (http://www.project1999.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=56). PvP server chat was hardly the correct place to post your drivel (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/drivel). I linked it so you don't have to look it up yourself, how nice of me. Jush quick da widdle boo underwine.

You clowns aren't worth my time. You have no valid arguments, so you come to the boards with baseless personal attacks.

It's over; you killed it. It's pretty well cemented you're all incapable of carrying on an intelligent conversation, so why should I even bother.

I could get more sentient conversation from a game of League of Legends.

Autotune

11-27-2011, 10:19 PM

You clowns aren't worth my time.

Or maybe I had had enough of your pretended ignorance, I mean irony, when you proved you weren't even in the same league as me when you didn't even know what irony meant.

You. had. to. look. the. word. up.

You can't even establish an argument well enough to post it in the bug forums, so you whine about it in the server forums. Just for clarification, RnF is here (http://www.project1999.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=55), bug forum is here (http://www.project1999.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=56). PvP server chat was hardly the correct place to post your drivel (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/drivel). I linked it so you don't have to look it up yourself, how nice of me. Jush quick da widdle boo underwine.

You clowns aren't worth my time. You have no valid arguments, so you come to the boards with baseless personal attacks.

It's over; you killed it. It's pretty well cemented you're all incapable of carrying on an intelligent conversation, so why should I even bother.

I could get more sentient conversation from a game of League of Legends.

samoht you look stupid no matter what you type so gg

Truth

11-27-2011, 10:47 PM

Or maybe I had had enough of your pretended ignorance, I mean irony, when you proved you weren't even in the same league as me when you didn't even know what irony meant.

You. had. to. look. the. word. up.

You can't even establish an argument well enough to post it in the bug forums, so you whine about it in the server forums. Just for clarification, RnF is here (http://www.project1999.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=55), bug forum is here (http://www.project1999.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=56). PvP server chat was hardly the correct place to post your drivel (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/drivel). I linked it so you don't have to look it up yourself, how nice of me. Jush quick da widdle boo underwine.

You clowns aren't worth my time. You have no valid arguments, so you come to the boards with baseless personal attacks.

It's over; you killed it. It's pretty well cemented you're all incapable of carrying on an intelligent conversation, so why should I even bother.

I could get more sentient conversation from a game of League of Legends.

haha you so mad

ps didnt read anything you said except "you didn't even know what irony meant", you're the one who used it wrong rofl I only copypasta'd the definition to show that you were doing it wrong

pps okay read like the next line and there was plent of mad to be had but yea all your posts were ad hominem while i was droppin logic bombs

ppps mad lolo

Truth

11-27-2011, 10:50 PM

http://assets.gearlive.com/comics/blogimages/a_mad_magazine0205(1).jpg

Truth

11-27-2011, 10:51 PM

lolollollllululululuu he so mad look at his sig finally

Autotune

11-27-2011, 11:00 PM

lolollollllululululuu he so mad look at his sig finally

haha, i'm the so

Autotune

11-27-2011, 11:01 PM

The fact that Harrison is the Fat made me lol hard.

Aadill

11-27-2011, 11:31 PM

http://my.firedoglake.com/gnomedigest/2011/11/27/occupy-raleigh-nc-part-13/

Diggles

11-27-2011, 11:52 PM

I'm not jobless what the fuck

vaylorie

11-28-2011, 12:33 AM

What you said:
dirpa dirpa

What you actually said:
http://edge.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/177068/479001.jpg

Hasbinbad

11-28-2011, 02:00 AM

Thomas, that was not irony.

Naez, you are still dumb.

Truth

11-28-2011, 04:02 AM

get made mad

Daldolma

11-28-2011, 05:14 AM

I've got a good feeling about this whole movement. I think some significant gains will be made.

Note: this is sarcasm. There's 0% chance the Occupy movement leads to any tangible government reform in the US.

Truth

11-28-2011, 05:21 AM

let's have a political discussion

Hasbinbad

11-28-2011, 07:34 PM

http://takebackroc.rocus.org/node/67

Hahahahahahaha.

Not quite "tangible policy reform," but wars can definitely be won in terms of an amalgamation of small victories.

It is just beginning.

Aadill

11-28-2011, 07:38 PM

and Freddie Mac announcing that they were banning their notorious law firm, Steven J. Baum (the law firm for the Steidel foreclosure and eviction), from handling their cases.

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/11/21/foreclosure-firm-steven-j-baum-to-close-down/

heh.

Aadill

11-28-2011, 07:39 PM

PS although government reform may not take place, the pulpit.. the fucking grandstand, soapbox, megaphone, whatever-you-have, is now ON 24/7. The shitty maneuvers of corporate giants and government intervention alike are being called out via mass media that the mainstream media won't or won't dare to report on.

Hasbinbad

11-28-2011, 07:40 PM

Aadill, please do something about this:
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/11/26/us-senate-to-vote-on-bill-that-will-allow-the-military-to-arrest-americans-on-american-soil-and-hold-them-indefinitely/

Hasbinbad

11-28-2011, 07:43 PM

Join the ACLU petition to stop this:
https://secure.aclu.org/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=3865&s_subsrc=fixNDAA

Aadill

11-28-2011, 07:49 PM

Actually research is numero uno, always: ‎

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:S.1867:

specifically http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c112:1:./temp/~c112TaooX7:e464889:

(b) Covered Persons- A covered person under this section is any person as follows:

(1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for those attacks.

(2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.

‎(2) COVERED PERSONS- The requirement in paragraph (1) shall apply to any person whose detention is authorized under section 1031 who is determined--
(A) to be a member of, or part of, al-Qaeda or an associated force that acts in coordination with or pursuant to the direction of al-Qaeda; and
(B) to have participated in the course of planning or carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the United States or its coalition partners.

I can't actually find section 1031 BUT:

1032 (b) 1 & 2:

(b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-
(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
(2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.

Truth

11-28-2011, 07:50 PM

seems pretty vague to me

Aadill

11-28-2011, 07:54 PM

oh yeah it's definitely still possible to point at someone and say, "HE'S ONE OF THEM!" so it's batshit insane, don't get me wrong.... but that particular article does kinda go over the top with it.

Hasbinbad

11-28-2011, 07:55 PM

Call your fucking senators.

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

Hasbinbad

11-28-2011, 07:57 PM

oh yeah it's definitely still possible to point at someone and say, "HE'S ONE OF THEM!" so it's batshit insane, don't get me wrong.... but that particular article does kinda go over the top with it.
I just called Boxer and Feinstein.. Their representatives didn't seem to think it was over the top. Boxer hasn't released an official statement yet, but Feinstein is vehemently opposed, and their office extended gratitude that I called in support.

Aadill

11-28-2011, 08:07 PM

What I don't like is that it grants unending power to a single individual or group of individuals to make those sorts of judgement calls. Granted, we've pretty much been shipping suspects off to other countries under the same silent method of detaining them behind closed doors and hoping no one finds out. Happened at an airport not too far away from me a few years ago. Granted, the newspaper article is 404'd at this point, but:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5404828

What was Aero Contractor's alleged role in interrogations involving torture?

Investigations led by European governments and media outlets and testimony from eyewitnesses have revealed that two planes, a Boeing Business Jet and a Gulfstream V executive jet, had made a base at Aero Contractors Ltd. in Smithfield. The planes frequently flew from Johnston County to Dulles International Airport outside Washington.

The planes would then cross the Atlantic to countries such as Sweden, Italy, Germany, Ireland and Spain and then head to other countries, including Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, Morocco, Jordan and Iraq, where harsh tactics were sometimes used to extract information from prisoners, the investigators said.

Some detainees, later released, said interrogators had subjected them to electric shock, malnourishment or other forms of torture.

http://www.newsobserver.com/100/story/369059.html

Aadill

11-28-2011, 08:08 PM

(basically where the fuck have you been for the past decade)

Hasbinbad

11-28-2011, 08:19 PM

(basically where the fuck have you been for the past decade)
First they came for the communists,
but I did not speak for them, for I am not a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
but I did not speak for them, for I am not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the jews,
but I did not speak for them, for I am not a jew.

Now they've come for me,
and there are none left to speak for me.

Aadill

11-28-2011, 08:23 PM

also I totally didn't know about the airport stuff till a few weeks ago when one of the Raleigh Occupants told me about it. kinda freaky that the government was using this small, out-of-the-way airport to ship people off for torture... people caught on and all of the sudden the tarmac was deserted, so yeah.... that oft-used quote is sort of amusingly accurate in this case.

Aadill

11-28-2011, 08:35 PM

Some might say it's too little too late, but that's the funny thing about this Occupation: whether you like what they are saying or not, someone is speaking a truth you haven't heard. It could be a personal experience, a hardship, a broken law, a shady tactic, a general message, an abomination of the American dream, but they will be heard, because they are no longer afraid to speak their minds.

I know people at work that are secretly cheering the local Occupations on only behind closed doors, "because they have too much to lose." I know people abroad in the public sector and the private sector in the same situation... they're afraid not of their convictions, but those that have power over them.

So, yeah, you can look at it as Niemoeller did... I would say this is a generational change, and it very well may be. We're the first group to LIVE with computers... we know the ins and outs of social networking and the beauty of free speech on the internet (which will hopefully not disappear with SOAP and PROTECTIP Act). This was the first time that the whole world at once knows what's going on and said, "hey this is kinda fucked up." It's not because we didn't always feel that way, we were just afraid in thinking we were the only ones thinking it.

Anger

11-28-2011, 08:39 PM

Occupy Wallstreet has to be one of the dumbest, most pointless things I've seen since the rallys at the Wisconsin capital.

Daldolma

11-28-2011, 09:04 PM

I just called Boxer and Feinstein.. Their representatives didn't seem to think it was over the top. Boxer hasn't released an official statement yet, but Feinstein is vehemently opposed, and their office extended gratitude that I called in support.

I genuinely don't mean to be a dick, but you realize that you were speaking to either an intern or a young-20's staff assistant (secretary) that makes $30,000 a year and has likely never spoken directly to the Senator, right? Especially someone like Feinstein, who's a huge deal.

Like I said, I'm not trying to be a dick. But unfortunately, whatever you've got to say never reaches the Senator or anyone else that matters. The best you get out of calling your senators is a clear statement on where they stand on the issue -- and even that isn't guaranteed.

Aadill

11-28-2011, 09:13 PM

^ a fair assessment but an assumption ^ I'd actually like to know more about that as well, tbh. Alwaysalwaysalways take down names when on the phone!

Daldolma

11-28-2011, 09:14 PM

It's not an assumption.

Aadill

11-28-2011, 09:16 PM

Unless you know the demographics of Feinstein's office population and can create a statistical analysis to at least give probable cause I would say it's an assumption. A reasonable one, but an assumption nonetheless.

Daldolma

11-28-2011, 09:20 PM

What happens is the press assistant drafts a list of talking points for all the major issues they're receiving calls about. This gets dispersed to the staff assistants and interns, who answer the phones. If you call in reference to one of those points, you get the talking point. If you call in reference to something else, they say there's no official statement at the moment but that they can take down your opinion and pass it along if you'd like. They may even take your name and zip code, if they care enough to humor you.

That's the end of it. Nothing gets passed on. Most of the time, they're barely listening to you. Some senators from small states like an issue list with a tally of how many people called in reference to certain subjects, and what number were pro/con. But that's rare, and that's the closest you'll get to being heard.

Daldolma

11-28-2011, 09:22 PM

Eh? A statistical analysis of what? Only interns and staff assistants answer the phones connected to the main line. The real staffers have private lines. It's not a probability thing.

Hasbinbad

11-28-2011, 09:32 PM

I would say this is a generational change, and it very well may be. We're the first group to LIVE with computers... we know the ins and outs of social networking and the beauty of free speech on the internet (which will hopefully not disappear with SOAP and PROTECTIP Act). This was the first time that the whole world at once knows what's going on and said, "hey this is kinda fucked up." It's not because we didn't always feel that way, we were just afraid in thinking we were the only ones thinking it.
It's not a generational change.

This is human nature.

What we're seeing in Occupy is humanity waking up from a drugged sleep, becoming suddenly aware that we're having our kidneys stolen by financial surgeons.

They tried to repeat it recently with the resurgence of pot and various "party drugs (x)," but (ironically thanks to the republicans) most people now see the danger in hard drugs, pot just makes one think about things, whereas when they inundated this countries social activism movements with cocaine in the early 70's, it made them think about fun things.

Think about it.

There was an entire generation of people who were just as - if not more - pissed off and ready to change the world then as we are now. Where did they go? Why did they shut up? It's super simple..

Drugs and dance music.

We now call them "E-Tards," but our generation can hardly claim credit for their paradigm. A large portion of the hippie movement was influenced by mind altering drugs, which was very distracting from the plan of social activism, regardless of how these mind opening drugs allowed people to see more clearly the ugly truth around them.

Intelligence being their mission, I'm sure the early 70's CIA - even without the beneficent guidance of George H. W. Bush - immediately saw the smarts in fostering this distraction. Between 1968ish and 1980, this country saw a HUGE rise in cocaine use amongst social activists. Between about 1974 and 1980, you saw the social activism movement completely die, minus a couple very intelligent O.G. punks - who nobody listened to on account of their spiky hair and bad attitudes.

Say what you will, but there is no fucking way anyone will ever convince me that cocaine, the CIA (George 41), and the downfall of social activism are not connected intimately.

The penultimate cap on the kibosh was effected by then-head-of-the-CIA George H. W. Bush giving the people an obviously doomed democrat for president, to be succeeded by "The George H. W. Bush Show" for the next 28 (32?) years.

The backlash against liberalism in the United States was heavy-handed, short-sighted, and brutal. The "war on drugs" was costly, ineffective, and totally unnecessary. Human rights took a backseat as fundamentalist christian religious fervor became the norm across the country. Social activists, once a powerful force of political change, were marginalized in the face of NWO style, christian-right "patriotism."

The next generation to grow up, in the 80s, includes many of us. Many of us were brought up with phrases like "this is a free country," and "the greatest country in the world," and ideas like "oh, that only happens in other countries." I, and many of my peers bought into it. It's comfortable, to think one is better than one's peers. Sleep is comfortable. And convenient. Sleep

Sleep.

Sleep.

Sleep.

Sleep.

Sleep.

Sleep.

Sleep.

Sleep.

AND THEN YOU WAKE UP AND THEY'RE STEALING YOUR KIDNEYS

So now I wake up. Too little, too late. Probably. But I will now speak for the Occupiers, because now I am awake, and I see that soon there will be nobody left to speak for me.

Paul McCartney

11-28-2011, 09:35 PM

hbb right; lacks charisma

Hasbinbad

11-28-2011, 09:45 PM

hbb right; lacks charisma
Dwarves have naturally low charisma to balance out having huge cocks.

Aadill

11-28-2011, 10:07 PM

It's not a generational change.

This is human nature.

Indeed.... but now we have many more tools at our fingertips.

Enter the keyboard warrior.

Hasbinbad

11-28-2011, 10:10 PM

http://takebackroc.rocus.org/node/67

Hahahahahahaha.

Not quite "tangible policy reform," but wars can definitely be won in terms of an amalgamation of small victories.

It is just beginning.
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Hasbinbad

11-28-2011, 10:10 PM

Enter the keyboard warrior.
Egypt, 2010: The Twitter Revolution

Klath

11-28-2011, 10:17 PM

What I don't like is that it grants unending power to a single individual or group of individuals to make those sorts of judgement calls.

Yes, but I'm sure they'll be very cautious about how they use that power. You know, kinda like ICE has been with their powers.

U.S. citizenship no defense against deportation threat (http://m.startribune.com/news/?id=134541773)

Hasbinbad

11-30-2011, 09:48 AM

For those who want detailed info about 12/12:

The nationally coordinated, brutal police attacks on the Occupy Wall Street Movement were supported by the 1%. We will strike back with our own coordinated attack on the 1% -

The December 12th West Coast Port Shutdown in order to economically disrupt “Wall Street On The Waterfront.”

WHY?

When we say “Wall Street On The Waterfront”, we point particularly to EGT and Goldman Sachs. The West Coast Ports will be blockaded on December 12th in solidarity with Longshoremen and port truckers struggles against EGT and Goldman Sachs.

EGT is an multinational grain exporter consortium. Bunge Ltd is the largest partner in EGT who reported 2.5 billion dollars in profit last year alone and has direct ties to Wall Street and has caused economic despair in countries such as Argentina, Brazil, and now the United States.

EGT has been rupturing ILWU jurisdiction in Longview, Washington and bringing in scab labor.

We will blockade all the ports on the West Coast in solidarity with the Longshoremen in Longview in their struggle against EGT.

We are also blockading the ports in solidarity with the struggle of port truckers against Goldman Sachs.

-Goldman Sachs owns a large part of the SSA port terminals and is guilty of facilitating the exploitation of low paid, non-union and short-run, port truck drivers who have struggled for dignified and humane conditions in the workplace for several years now.

These independent truck drivers are majority immigrant workers who are pitted against each other, receive low wages and unreliable hours while Goldman Sachs, the shipping companies, and their underlings reap record profits.

EGT and Goldman Sachs are the 1%. The OWS movement is committed to shutting down the 1% and is using its collective power in to shut down sites of profit.

HOW?

Since the Anti-Apartheid movement, the ILWU has respected and will continue to not cross community picket lines.

The OWS movement will mobilize to the ports and create picket lines at the terminals and gates and will wait until the local arbitrator rules in favor of the Longshore workers not having to cross the lines due to safety regulations.

The Rank-And-File of the ILWU have a long history of promoting social justice issues through shutdowns and not crossing picket lines. The rank and file of the ILWU not only support the occupy movement and December 12th, but are a part of the occupy movement, since they are among all of us who are struggling to take our lives back from the 1%.

The rank-and-file are with us on this.

Occupations up and down the coast will take on the model of the November 2nd blockade of the Port of Oakland during the General Strike. In this instance, 50,000 people marched onto the Port, also in solidarity with the Longshoremens struggle against the EGT, and the Longshoremen did not cross the picket lines.

Important to note:

If there is police violence- or attempts by the police to disrupt the port blockade in any city on the West Coast, the OWS movements in other locations will extend the duration of their blockades in solidarity.

-Participating: Occupy Oakland, Occupy Los Angeles, Occupy Portland, Occupy San Diego, Occupy Tacoma, Occupy Seattle, and Occupy Vancouver.

Hasbinbad

11-30-2011, 09:48 AM

-The Coup

Aadill

11-30-2011, 09:58 AM

Not totally fond of that action as it probably affects other groups.. are they aware of it? Do they support it?

Aadill

11-30-2011, 09:59 AM

Also:

http://www2.journalnow.com/news/2011/nov/29/wsmet01-occupy-winston-salem-to-protest-wells-farg-ar-1655799/

Stumpf is getting blasted today in both Winston Salem and Raleigh.

Aadill

11-30-2011, 10:02 AM

http://news.yahoo.com/p-downgrades-top-us-banks-credit-ratings-222321310.html

I already downgraded my customer rating of these shit institutions years ago.

Wells Fargo fell to "A+" from "AA-" which likewise triggered downgrades for several subsidiaries. Shares closed down 7 cents at $24.08, then lost 18 cents aftermarket. oh man this gets mic checked today

Aadill

11-30-2011, 10:03 AM

Wells Fargo fell to "A+" from "AA-" which likewise triggered downgrades for several subsidiaries. Shares closed down 7 cents at $24.08, then lost 18 cents aftermarket. oh man this gets mic checked today

although i think they got the A+ and AA- backwards~

Aadill

11-30-2011, 10:29 AM

although i think they got the A+ and AA- backwards~

no i just needed to wake up~

Aadill

11-30-2011, 12:15 PM

Occupy Raleigh still operational:

http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/11/29/1677386/occupy-pays-rent-for-new-campsite.html

http://www.raleighpublicrecord.org/news/2011/11/29/occupy-raleigh-gets-a-new-lease/

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/10438580/

The irony isn't lost on the protesters, but they say, after the city turned down their request for a spot in a Raleigh park, paying for a private lot was somewhat inevitable.

http://wunc.org/programs/news/archive/trb112911.mp3/view#.TtV3Pddfu4Q

The media has painted them... and I'm not saying NPR or you... but the media has painted them as a group of unemployed persons with nothing better to do. And the few that I've actually taken the time to speak to have been well-educated. And despite not having a cohesive nationwide message, I left with the impression that the Occupy Raleigh group actually had their stuff together.

Hasbinbad

12-03-2011, 10:37 PM

Harrison

12-04-2011, 02:01 AM

For those who want detailed info about 12/12:

The nationally coordinated, brutal police attacks on the Occupy Wall Street Movement were supported by the 1%. We will strike back with our own coordinated attack on the 1% -

The December 12th West Coast Port Shutdown in order to economically disrupt “Wall Street On The Waterfront.”

WHY?

When we say “Wall Street On The Waterfront”, we point particularly to EGT and Goldman Sachs. The West Coast Ports will be blockaded on December 12th in solidarity with Longshoremen and port truckers struggles against EGT and Goldman Sachs.

EGT is an multinational grain exporter consortium. Bunge Ltd is the largest partner in EGT who reported 2.5 billion dollars in profit last year alone and has direct ties to Wall Street and has caused economic despair in countries such as Argentina, Brazil, and now the United States.

EGT has been rupturing ILWU jurisdiction in Longview, Washington and bringing in scab labor.

We will blockade all the ports on the West Coast in solidarity with the Longshoremen in Longview in their struggle against EGT.

We are also blockading the ports in solidarity with the struggle of port truckers against Goldman Sachs.

-Goldman Sachs owns a large part of the SSA port terminals and is guilty of facilitating the exploitation of low paid, non-union and short-run, port truck drivers who have struggled for dignified and humane conditions in the workplace for several years now.

These independent truck drivers are majority immigrant workers who are pitted against each other, receive low wages and unreliable hours while Goldman Sachs, the shipping companies, and their underlings reap record profits.

EGT and Goldman Sachs are the 1%. The OWS movement is committed to shutting down the 1% and is using its collective power in to shut down sites of profit.

HOW?

Since the Anti-Apartheid movement, the ILWU has respected and will continue to not cross community picket lines.

The OWS movement will mobilize to the ports and create picket lines at the terminals and gates and will wait until the local arbitrator rules in favor of the Longshore workers not having to cross the lines due to safety regulations.

The Rank-And-File of the ILWU have a long history of promoting social justice issues through shutdowns and not crossing picket lines. The rank and file of the ILWU not only support the occupy movement and December 12th, but are a part of the occupy movement, since they are among all of us who are struggling to take our lives back from the 1%.

The rank-and-file are with us on this.

Occupations up and down the coast will take on the model of the November 2nd blockade of the Port of Oakland during the General Strike. In this instance, 50,000 people marched onto the Port, also in solidarity with the Longshoremens struggle against the EGT, and the Longshoremen did not cross the picket lines.

Important to note:

If there is police violence- or attempts by the police to disrupt the port blockade in any city on the West Coast, the OWS movements in other locations will extend the duration of
their blockades in solidarity.

-Participating: Occupy Oakland, Occupy Los Angeles, Occupy Portland, Occupy San Diego, Occupy Tacoma, Occupy Seattle, and Occupy Vancouver. I hope they round you worthless retards up and drop you off in a third world shithole. Maybe then you whiny pussies will appreciate your posh privelaged first world life you cry so fucking much about.

Awwalike

12-04-2011, 02:15 AM

hay bums already occupy seattle what's a few hippies?

Kraftwerk

12-04-2011, 06:07 AM

I hope they round you worthless retards up and drop you off in a third world shithole. Maybe then you whiny pussies will appreciate your posh privelaged first world life you cry so fucking much about.

Just drop them off in Detroit, or any other number of decaying United States cities and they'll already be in a 3rd World Country in a few years anyway so don't worry about that one bit:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-how-us-will-become-3rd-world-country-part-1

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/how-us-will-become-3rd-world-country-part-2

Muchew

12-04-2011, 12:02 PM

I hope they round you worthless retards up and drop you off in a third world shithole. Maybe then you whiny pussies will appreciate your posh privelaged first world life you cry so fucking much about.

You've been watching FOX news too much.

First our government takes OUR money we HAVE to give them to give to the banks, who then profited off it. Then we find out that the federal reserve made money out of thin air and GAVE it to the banks (.01% interest is not a loan...). Every time the fed creates money, the value of whats in the system goes down.

The fact that you are mad at the people fighting for your hard earned money is idiotic.

booter

12-04-2011, 07:41 PM

The fact that you are mad at the people fighting for your hard earned money is idiotic.

vaylorie

12-04-2011, 11:43 PM

You've been watching FOX news too much.

First our government takes OUR money we HAVE to give them to give to the banks, who then profited off it. Then we find out that the federal reserve made money out of thin air and GAVE it to the banks (.01% interest is not a loan...). Every time the fed creates money, the value of whats in the system goes down.

The fact that you are mad at the people fighting for your hard earned money is idiotic.

OWS is fighting for my heard earned money... To redistribute to themselves.

Awwalike

12-05-2011, 12:01 AM

HBB which bank do you use bro? Chase?

Muchew

12-05-2011, 01:29 AM

OWS is fighting for my heard earned money... To redistribute to themselves.

Yeah... Once again too much FOX news. They only interview the dredlock wearing pot heads playing drums. Unfortunately, a lot of OWS supporters (like myself) don't have the time to spend weeks assembling and don't look liberal enough to get interviewed my mainstream media.

No one in their right mind would ever seriously suggest redistributing the wealth of every American citizen. In fact I'm not even sure if anyone has, I'll just assume you are right... and that you are not a CEO of a bank.

If anything, that 7.7 trillion from the federal reserve should be redistributed to the people, since it will inflate prices anyways... OWS is clearly focused on awareness right now, they want the entire 99% to get mad like them. They aren't sitting in tents and rallying expecting to suddenly get a check for 50k because the wealth was distributed.

If you are not mad at the impact the 1% has on our government, you have some homework to do.

Hasbinbad

12-05-2011, 08:50 AM

HBB which bank do you use bro? Chase?
Credit Union, kthx.

Hasbinbad

12-05-2011, 11:47 PM

Direct Action tomorrow: "Occupy Our Homes."

http://occupyourhomes.org/

Tuesday, December 6th is the National Day of Action to stop and reverse foreclosures. The Occupy Homes movement is holding actions around the country in support of homeowners and people fighting to have a home. Find an event near you and join in our day of action tomorrow (http://act.engagementlab.org/event/occupyhomes_D6/search/)!

Convict

12-06-2011, 10:07 AM

Yeah... Once again too much FOX news. They only interview the dredlock wearing pot heads playing drums. Unfortunately, a lot of OWS supporters (like myself) don't have the time to spend weeks assembling and don't look liberal enough to get interviewed my mainstream media.

No one in their right mind would ever seriously suggest redistributing the wealth of every American citizen. In fact I'm not even sure if anyone has, I'll just assume you are right... and that you are not a CEO of a bank.

If anything, that 7.7 trillion from the federal reserve should be redistributed to the people, since it will inflate prices anyways... OWS is clearly focused on awareness right now, they want the entire 99% to get mad like them. They aren't sitting in tents and rallying expecting to suddenly get a check for 50k because the wealth was distributed.

If you are not mad at the impact the 1% has on our government, you have some homework to do.
I think this pretty much about sums it up

vaylorie

12-06-2011, 10:00 PM

If you are not mad at the impact the 1% has on our government, you have some homework to do.

I'm mad = justifiable violence. Good call.

Hasbinbad

12-16-2011, 06:14 AM

http://i.imgur.com/pMxlU.jpg

Truth

12-16-2011, 03:23 PM

you guys are fucking dumb this is a UN/Goldman Sachs program to implode the economy by design.

they've done this all over the world, run up a nation's credit card and then make everyone 3rd world slaves.

Truth

12-16-2011, 03:23 PM

aka US is bankrupt and the system has been mathematically impossible to "fix" by design since its inception in 1913

Truth

12-16-2011, 03:24 PM

hence why US actually declared bankruptcy and confiscated everyones gold during great depression of the 30s etc

Muchew

12-16-2011, 04:54 PM

I'm mad = justifiable violence. Good call.

Not sure where I justified violence. Just saying it's inevitable.

I'm not gonna cry though when banks start getting blown up.

Harrison

12-16-2011, 05:18 PM

Naez needs his own brand of kool-aid. How the fuck does he think he's anything but a delusional retard? It's stunning, really. 9/11 truther lulz

Iwin

12-16-2011, 05:33 PM

Rob someone who is rich BAM wealth distribution

Peatree

12-16-2011, 05:48 PM

http://i.imgur.com/pMxlU.jpg

Too funny my Ex-wife's budget probably looks eerilee (sp?) similar to the family one! Hence the "X".

Best post you've had in some time HBB!

Merry Christmas all!

Awwalike

12-16-2011, 10:37 PM

http://i.imgur.com/4igxU.jpg

Daldolma

12-17-2011, 02:36 AM

http://i.imgur.com/pMxlU.jpg

You realize how contradictory your standpoints are, don't you? You want a balanced budget? Really?

How the fuck are we going to get a balanced budget while instituting universal health care, passing massive public works expenditures, improving education, decreasing our reliance on oil, and following through on the other half-dozen economically-draining initiatives supported by OWS?

I'm not even making a qualitative judgment as to those goals. I'm all for a balanced budget. I'm all for decreasing our reliance on oil. I'm all for government-funded universal health care. I'm all for improving education.

But I'm not all for all of them at once, because it doesn't make any fucking sense. Either we're cutting costs or we're going green or we're improving infrastructure or we're instituting national health care. It's not feasible to do it all at once. There's not nearly enough money to go around.

Muchew

12-17-2011, 02:46 AM

Daldolma

12-17-2011, 03:22 AM

Almost makes sense...

Except we don't need the federal government to throw money at education to improve education. Quite the opposite really. No child left behind proved that.

Don't need federal subsidies for alternative energy either. Need to stop having oil/gas pushed on us because politicians are in bed with the oil companies.

I'm on board with your health care argument though. I'm all for universal health care, but it would be stupid to do it before the budget is balanced. Which will never happen...

In what way is oil/gas "pushed on us"? It's by far the most efficient and affordable energy source on the planet. In a free market that doesn't subsidize alternatives or penalize pollution, efficiency is going to win out.

If you want this country to run on something other than oil, it needs to become economically defensible. And that doesn't happen unless the federal government changes the landscape of energy pricing, whether it be through taxes, subsidies, or direct investments.

Agree to disagree on education, by the way. No child left behind proved that no child left behind was a horrible fucking idea, not that more money is unnecessary. We spend a lower percentage of our GDP on education than fucking Jamaica.

Uthgaard

12-17-2011, 03:48 AM

Painting with broad strokes has never solved a problem created by painting with broad strokes. Instead of jumping from one system to the other - trading one set of flaws for others and then pointing fingers over whose flaws were worse - sticking with any system and fixing its flaws with precision will generally result in sufficient improvements that it doesn't really matter what system you use.

Education costs money. It is necessary to throw money at it. But there is a lot of room for keeping money from being wasted, and most of it can be identified and solved by applying dreaded common sense.

It's wasteful to pay for the morons who sit on educational welfare for years milking it while feigning intelligence through controversy and claims of wikipedia stardom.
It's wasteful to pay for institutions with less than 20% graduation / transfer rate combined, who lure in people with no chance of completion for the mutual masturbation that is student aid.
It's wasteful to pay retards six figures to sit around and argue these things all day when taking any action at all to improve the situation could be accomplished by a person of average intelligence and no experience.

The career politicians are what isn't working, the policies themselves could each be viable if the country wasn't so rooted into emotionalism and telling itself that it has a right to an opinion without the responsibility to think before forming it. Even a country has its own hierarchy of needs. It's necessary to eliminate the root problem first, then move on and improve the finer points.

Daldolma

12-17-2011, 03:56 AM

Aadill

12-17-2011, 05:01 AM

Agreed.

Jon Lemon

12-17-2011, 05:59 AM

Agreed.

tite

Muchew

12-17-2011, 01:41 PM

In what way is oil/gas "pushed on us"? It's by far the most efficient and affordable energy source on the planet. In a free market that doesn't subsidize alternatives or penalize pollution, efficiency is going to win out.

If you want this country to run on something other than oil, it needs to become economically defensible. And that doesn't happen unless the federal government changes the landscape of energy pricing, whether it be through taxes, subsidies, or direct investments.

Agree to disagree on education, by the way. No child left behind proved that no child left behind was a horrible fucking idea, not that more money is unnecessary. We spend a lower percentage of our GDP on education than fucking Jamaica.

It's pushed on us because of the wars we go into to continue to make it cheap... Oil company's lobby to make sure we continue to use oil. Oil company's shut down the movement to electric vehicles in the early 90's. On top of that, they completely ignore the environmental issues raised by keeping their product affordable.

The department of education doesn't do shit. How does giving the department of education money improve education for anyone? It is by far the most useless federal department we have.

Daldolma

12-17-2011, 03:28 PM

It's pushed on us because of the wars we go into to continue to make it cheap... Oil company's lobby to make sure we continue to use oil. Oil company's shut down the movement to electric vehicles in the early 90's. On top of that, they completely ignore the environmental issues raised by keeping their product affordable.

The war in Iraq did not help us keep oil prices cheap. Look at what's happened to the price of oil since that war began. It helped us ensure future access to the oil, but it didn't help us make it cheap.

Everything else you mention is called a free market. There isn't any legislation that shoves oil down our throats. It's no coincidence that oil companies are going to oppose a move to electric vehicles -- it's a replacement product. It's no different than cereal companies trying to prevent a national shift to oatmeal. There's nothing shady about it -- it's simply good business.

The environmental issues are externalities. It's a market failure. If social will were to support it, it would be the government's job to cap, tax, or in some other way penalize pollution or promote environmentally-friendly dealings in order to make it rational for firms to move away from oil. And that would be extraordinarily expensive for the nation as a whole. In truth, it's not something the nation supports yet. And it won't be until a similarly-priced alternative is found, or until the price of oil rises beyond the means of the average citizen.

As of now, everything in America is dependent on oil prices. Transportation, groceries, even paint. So if you artificially bump oil prices in order to incentivize other energy sources, you're going to drastically raise the cost of living and fundamentally alter many of the businesses in the country. One point of view is that this is inevitable, since oil is a finite resource that we'll deplete in the relatively near future, and we might as well take our lumps on our own terms, rather than simply letting its scarcity drive price beyond our means. Another point of view is that our economy should ride the oil train as long as it can while we pour federal R&D money into finding suitable alternatives. Some people think we should simply eliminate a lot of our wasteful energy practices, regardless of the energy source. But regardless of where you stand on the spectrum, facts are facts. And the fact is that it would take an extraordinary financial investment in order to overhaul the American energy sector.

PS, I never said anything about the DoE.

Aadill

12-17-2011, 05:01 PM

facts are facts

I understand everything you just said and can and would make the same observations. The problem of the "free market" situation we currently live in is that it is reactionary and not cautionary. Like you said, it will require the resource running out or the price being too high... .... then what? That seems entirely irresponsible.

Shit I use gas every day, I know it. It's balls. I've cut down on any plastic I use and recycle all that I can. Even that is too expensive/inefficient at the moment to make it worth it in a business sense, but it's a cautionary measure to make sure we don't use or waste as much. That's not happening on a large enough scale, which is the root of the problem of the "free market" scenario that you've described. Good business? For now, perhaps. Good sense? Fuck no.