US capital building gets breached. Is this the end?

[Gwaihir]

You and everyone you love will die horribly if you let the monsters out of the gate, even if they are your own. Like in ways I cannot illustrate or describe in words. I've seen it.

This is why literally everyone of a sane disposition needs to stop buying into the media-generated phantasy being brigaded before us over the past 18 months. "Politics" is not this exciting in real life, y'all need to get a grip before you get shot in the neck mistaking LARP for real life.

[magnetaress]

Malice in their hearts is what FOX news says about stuff they dont understand, dont jump right into the pool because the old people got out and now the democrats are in it.

Your fear of redneck people, is not more valid than granny annie's fear of black people.

Have you ever bothered to read the comments on Fox news about killing demonrats and fucking trannies with baseball bats? That isn't fear, it's absolute hatred. And I am not afraid of rednecks. I love rednecks. There are a lot of liberal (if u want to use that retarded ass word) rednecks. Who are very kewl with me, and I them, I get along fine with cowboys who love jesus and aren't threatening to shoot me for wearing lipstick. Or having a feminine voice. DO NOT MAKE THIS ABOUT ME. I don't bear these dumb ass prejudices.

If you don't want to respect the law. Or the results of one of the most vetted and fairest elections in history. You are not a good guy with a gun. And you are trampling the rights of others because of your false beliefs that confirm your hatred of any and all opposition to your way of thinking. You chose to not care. And that is a deadly sin. It will destroy you. As surely as it destroyed me.

The worst part of this, is those people rioting are so freee and so empowered, they can actually solve their own problems and create their own wealth, but they want to blame their problems on others. Those people should truly be cut lose, without a social safety net to look after them, and should be discriminated against, forced to conform. A lot of them are just angry because they don't have even more power and wealth, when they already sit pleasantly at the top of many piles of human luxury.

Just like I was.

They should get exactly what they want. They deserve the universe they are working so hard to create.

Hypocrisy will destroy you, your nation. And anything you create. Or do. It will poison everything until it burns to the ground, and maybe we are drowning in our forefathers hypocrisy. Your children's children will drown in your hypocrisy.

I put my money where my mouth is, and despite all odds, I tried to do the right things and have a little bit of integrity and not make the problem worse.

I'm not afraid of these people.

I'm angry with them. I am ashamed of them. I am bitter.

And I want them to get over themselves and get better. So that the human species can move on to better things than trying to fuck over our neighbors for a microwave dinner in extra plastic.

I'm done here with this thread.

[magnetaress]

^ (i lied i did one more edit) final fucking edit, peace out ya motherfuckers. don't die in some insurgency bullshit drama over what brand of fucked up bullshit you subscribe too

[Cassawary]

Your fear of redneck people, is not more valid than granny annie's fear of black people.

As we all know, punishing someone for breaking the law means you're just as bad.

[FatherSioux]

Did I change or did Jibartik change? It wasn't that long ago that we were at odds, now it seems we're seeing eye to eye. Progress?

If I ever make this statement about Lune or Fenin please notify the barbarian with the spear to come eviscerate me.


PS: Lune does love to see Elon unhappy. Truly sick.

[imperiouskitten]

Jibartik seems to have changed, the noise has him upset :(

On the up side I saw grammy today and she is no longer freaking out

PS elon is a creepy dude with kids by 4 women and the latest one is already very sad. His stock price is also totally BS juiced to get him his megapay tranches. He's the world's most successful grifter

PPS im sad for the dead lady and the overreaction to this and you had me marked as a CCP agent jibartik, so you can chill out. it's just the TVbots who wanna eat people and they alllways have

[imperiouskitten]

Musk also tweeted on the day of the riots, "The most entertaining outcome is the most likely."

Follow his twitter feed to get a glimpse into him. He's a sicko. I promise, and if you haven't noticed my promises about character have been vindicated here a thousand times.

[Gravydoo II]

You know I was proud to be a lefty because I was smart enough to say muslims aren’t inherently evil. The same goes for every working class stiff and every poor person of every race religion and creed.

But all it takes is for my fellow lefties to throw their empathy out the window, and their calls for peace unity and progress down the drain, is to find out a person is a conservative.

Then they sound exactly like Fox News. There’s no difference between a liberal who hates conservatives, and Tucker Carlson.

You sounds like such a conservative. You do know there is nothing between "kill them all" and "love them all". Like, a pretty WIDE gulf of emotions and situations. You pretend like storming the capital is not an actual attack on our country. When you ATTACK a nations capital, you should expect to die. You think any other nation would have let that happen? get ahold of yourself..

[Jibartik]

The left is happy for increased security and razer wire being setup everywhere, and I'm the one that changed? :rolleyes:

What's next, armed security is suddenly OK at school? Yeesh.

[Gwaihir]

The left is happy for increased security and razer wire being setup everywhere, and I'm the one that changed? :rolleyes:

What's next, armed security is suddenly OK at school? Yeesh.

Haven't you heard?

Standing still for a minute makes you the biggest piece of shit in the world.
Literally Hitler.

[imperiouskitten]

so am I not "the left" anymore?

it sounds like you have had that monolith strawman implanted in your brain and are letting it move you, Jibartik. it leads you right where everyone else has gone. Razor wire, cheer for state violence. rise above it mahn`iq`qua

[Jibartik]

"there was no security!"

*riot dissipates before sundown.

"WE'RE UNDER ATTACK!"

uh, how does that make any sense?

[imperiouskitten]

Haven't you heard?

Standing still for a minute makes you the biggest piece of shit in the world.
Literally Hitler.

when this guy starts making posts like this (lol) thinking he's gonna croot you, you know ur displaying vulnerable traits

[imperiouskitten]

"there was no security!"

*riot dissipates before sundown.

"WE'RE UNDER ATTACK!"

uh, how does that make any sense?

oh no, you're talking past me again...

i don't think it was a meaningful coup attempt either......

trumping it up is really dangerous and bad...........

i'm agreeing with you........................

[imperiouskitten]

once again i find myself alone in a room of ppl

all screaming at the TV

wont talk to me

good thing Juris is here, he's very calm fyi

[Jibartik]

I was just speaking to the void heh

I think its like the biggest elephant in the room.

I remember saying as it was happening "this is great, they are dispersing on their own, no real need for voilence, this proves we dont need heavy police presence at protests! It was all the police presence during BLM that caused the violence in the first place, this proves it!!"

the left (my side) 48 hours later: We need more security, where was the security? the police were victims! we need military! Why is there no military presence at the nations capitol, this was an ATTACK this is AN ATTACK we're UNDER ATTACK!@!!!!!

lol no, sorry, I dont buy this crap. And it is once again a missed opportunity for my lefty side to see the unity that we could have, to see the proof that they are right, and to instead burn all that down, just to own the conservs.

[imperiouskitten]

demonizing monoliths is how this signal spreads. it is the purpose and function of designating this (unusual) riot as a legitimate coup attempt. let this be a lesson to all you rhetoriticians.

in the end, class consciousness does seem to be the only way to resolve this. the mass, lacking ability to identify more than two cohorts, needs to have "left" and "right" converted to up and down. or they just will never stfu with the same old exactly same rhetoric even as they lament where it gets them.

[Jibartik]

I dont know what that means, but I look forward to patrioat act 2 where feds use facial tracking on us citizens from here on out.

Maybe Ill be wrong, but we'll see, Im sure I wont be.

[Gravydoo II]

"there was no security!"

*riot dissipates before sundown.

"WE'RE UNDER ATTACK!"

uh, how does that make any sense?

So you mean if the bank robbers leave on their own, there wasnt a problem at the bank. Got it...
You know, some people would call that an "escape" from the law enforcement arriving on the scene.
Weird how the riot "dissipated" as all the police in riot gear with guns showed up.
Trump was supposed to follow them inside but hes a coward and would never risk his life for anything.

Maybe im just biased from being brainwashed by the military but thats a MAJOR problem. If you did that at a military base you'd be buried outside the walls. That whole, lets take over this building/base idea.

What I think is, you dont know the whole story. You havent seen the planning that has gone into it.

Imagine that same crowd tried to do the same to an aircraft carrier. Just ran up to it, tried to take it over, failed, then left as the cops showed up to take it back. How is that not a big deal? How was that not an attempt to take it over?

Just because it was pathetic and totally misguided and reeked of "we dont know what we are doing but we're gonna try anyways" doesnt mean it wasnt what it was. That was a coup attempt. They tried to disrupt congress so the new president could not be sworn in on the 20th. I cant help that they sucked at it.

I'm glad they all raised their hands and brought their cel phones along. That way we can all know who really hates america and would throw it all away for donny rape hands.

[Jibartik]

If they walked into the bank, screamed, and left all the money? Yeah. They should not be going to jail for "ATTACKING THE FABRICK OF OUR UNIVERSE!"

There will not be an end to democracy because the short bus was as fed up with it, as YOU have been for the last 4 years. And dont go acting like OUR SIDE didnt do 100 days of bank robbery, last year.

here imagine this: what if the left resurects the patriot act because you and me and everyone else is as afraid of uncle joe as uncle joe is afraid of muslims?

Sorry Im not, not going to be afraid of X, so you can get me to be afraid of Y by "imaginging" stuff, if i wanted to "imagine" stuff, id imagine, the left trying to resurect the patriot act and letting the FBI use facial tracking because, they want to get revenge on Uncle Joe for all those facebook posts he made last few years.

[magnetaress]

Drink more koolaid, the psychos wont go away if you let them walk all over u and your constitution. And the laws of the land.

Doesn't matter what side they are on.

Fuck the noise.

You know what is wrong. And I don't need to tell you what is wrong. These people refused to do the basic part of human decency and check reality and respect the other guy. Something I also accused BLM of.

People can no longer respect themselves or each other with the most basic of truth checking and introspection. They have lost their human card.

So get fuckt. I'm voting for patriot act 3 and 4. Because I'm tired of people who aren't humans also, first and foremost, roaming free. Not because I am afraid of them. But because it's time for dad to come home to roost.

[Jibartik]

hey left, remember when those riots ended, without police use of force?

"NO WE NEED MORE POLICE AND MORE FORCE!"

uh, excuse me?

[imperiouskitten]

that's not "the left" it's magneto, who likes to do bad thangs because it fun to do bad tangs, and drive into a car

[magnetaress]

hey left, remember when those riots ended, without police use of force?

"NO WE NEED MORE POLICE AND MORE FORCE!"

uh, excuse me?

They didn't. People left as soon as the guard came in because they didn't want to be rounded up in an encampment, and the 90% milling about outside down the way or so that were there not breaking the law left peacefully.

They should have never been given the opportunity, because real force is always there if its anyone else. They would have never entered. Otherwise. It's unfair that they didn't get curb stomped. Just like anyone else is. Who literally attacks a cop. The only reason they didn't initially is because it was cop on white cop violence at first. Then when it became clear that they were going to disrupt the constitutional peaceful transition of power, thats when real shit happened.

[magnetaress]

that's not "the left" it's magneto, who likes to do bad thangs because it fun to do bad tangs, and drive into a car

You're being an idiot. I'm not going to tolerate it from you either. I don't think you can grasp reality and I don't respect your attitude.

That quote you so mockingly said is the truest form of what these assholes on the right aim to accomplish. They just want permission first to do it against non-whites and trannies just like you. That is barely different than throwing molotov cocktails off a bridge to disrupt traffic in downtown houston.

[imperiouskitten]

i'm okay with snatching some ringleaders, but just turn down the heat and the retard cannibals will chill out. that includes you

[Jibartik]

I was watching it, live, they all started leaving when they were asked to, they walked out, slowly and surely they all walked out, and gathered and talked, and were interviewed.

It was honestly something the left should be champiniong as a great example that 'the police dont need to shoot tear gas at them at every one of their protsts!'

but instead, we're going to make future protests for the left literally impossible, because we're totally going to patriot act 2 over this, just watch.

[magnetaress]

i'm okay with snatching some ringleaders, but just turn down the heat and the retards will chill out. that includes you

same, but u know trump was dicking with the CIA and NSA right up until the end and that Lindell fuckface isn't a deep state operative

I know you aren't dumb.

[magnetaress]

I was watching it, live, they all started leaving when they were asked to, they walked out, slowly and surely they all walked out, and gathered and talked, and were interviewed.

It was honestly something the left should be champiniong as a great example that 'the police dont need to shoot tear gas at them at every one of their protsts!'

but instead, we're going to make future protests for the left literally impossible, because we're totally going to patriot act 2 over this, just watch.

They would not have left peacefully if they didn't think they could lose. They knew shit was about to get real and had been given ample time to cool it. Not before stealing documents and threatening congress.

Normally I would agree with you but this one particular instance, is not one of those times.

We'll go back to beating BLM into the dirt though, don't worry.

Among other things that don't make CNN or Fox, like assaniation attempts on people trying to help the homeless and doctors and others who stand up for what is right and occasionally bakeract one of these assholes. Or the occasional police officer that does their job right but gets silenced, or eliminated.

Epstien didn't kill himself.

I hate our government too, but these people crossed that line where they don't legitimately hate their government, they hate their government because they want to oppress others for not being Christian, white, or straight. They used OUTRIGHT FLAGRANT lies and an asshole propogandist to justify their position and actions.

There is nothing moral in any of it.

I don't like these guys any better than I like Muslims or the FDA.

[imperiouskitten]

gibberish

[Jibartik]

Wrong. They all walked out when trump said to. That's what happened. Dont try to gaslight me. IT was live on TV. Everyone saw it.

After the gunshot, taht entire hallway emptied, and there was about 4 police officers in it, and about 400 "attackers"

[magnetaress]

You guys are apologists. You may as well just sign up for Brietbart and get this ball rolling smoothly. They could use some writers of your talent.

A lot more planning went into it than you think, especially from the inside, and on places like parlor. Trump cooled his jets and told them to go home because he was going to be 25th'd and saw that the guard would clean house even if they succeeded in taking hostages. He had 1 fucking moment of selfish good reasoning when he saw he couldn't intimidate Pence.

The impeachment was to make him behave until after the inauguration. Because any more shenanagains would have well and truly sunk him.

[imperiouskitten]

there it is, i'm part of the monolith. gibberish TV brain finds its way to being hateful, as it always does.

[Jibartik]

All you gotta do to be an apologist is to apply the same arguments I applied to the BLM protests, to this "insurrection"

[budz2112]

Its easy to be a troll and play both sides of the fence, when you dont have any actual values. Jibartik shows it with every one of his posts

[magnetaress]

All you gotta do to be an apologist is to apply the same arguments I applied to the BLM protests, to this "insurrection"

You're talking to the wrong dude, I never said BLM was the good guys. Just that they were treated disproportionately.

I'm for law and order regardless of your grievances. Don't play stupid games with the police. Or the constitution. Or the peace.

[Jibartik]

I posted here after someone posted a video of rioters and a guy in it says, "i dont have a job, I got no prospects, what you want me to do??" and I said, well yeah, what DO you except these people to do we have to HELP them!

and I know you would (probably did) agree w/ that sentiment.

but in this case, we have to arrest them?

I didn't change.

edit: Budz Im sorry that you're so invested in this all you can do is make up a effigy in your mind of how much of your enemy I am. But go on and tell me about how you're different than Tucker Carlson, and not just a far left version of his paranoid delusional ass.

[budz2112]

Jibartik thinks hundreds of thousands of peaceful protestors standing on the streets of every large city in America, is the same as white nationalists being bussed into Washington DC, to follow the command of their dictator and stop our constitutional transfer of power from being carried out. There just are not words for this kind of ignorance and complete willful stupidity

[magnetaress]

there it is, i'm part of the monolith. gibberish TV brain finds its way to being hateful, as it always does.

K

We will never see eye to eye and you don't have to be my friend. I just happen to disagree with treating some bad people lightly, and some other bad people harshly.

And I advocate we treat everyone equally harsh, and people face consequences.

If it was me that got shot in the neck u'd probably blabber about me, but I wouldn't want you to.

You may yet get your chance because I'm fucking tired of the bullshit pretense that 'we are the good guys'.

There are no good guys.

There hasn't been.

We've been fascist towards some and liberal towards others for 100 years.

Ya'll don't even know how to define fascism, and just use it as a word because you don't like authority.

I understand authority.

Listen to me or don't.

I was right about all of this in 2013.

[magnetaress]

yall remember the peaceful pink hats when trump was innauguated

thats the difference between the left and right, feminism and machoism

they didn't break shit

they were peaceful

there was 14million of them

none of them felt the need to intimidate anyone with weapons

[Jibartik]

They were peacful, until we saw 100 days of the most insane riots that any american that is alive today has ever seen and if you pretend you didnt then forget you, you're a liar.

[budz2112]

Nope, your the liar pal, you literally think that was the worst riots America had in recent history. Your pathetically stupid, and willfully ignorant.

[magnetaress]

https://i.imgur.com/Z9tdkFs.png

no tear gass, no gun shots, no cops beaten to death, no interuption and threats of kidnapping. no zipties, no stealing laptops and documents, no "I'm going to fucking kill you", no racist bullshit.

the GoP is scared shitless of their own because they are afraid they will all get assaninated in broad daylight after the dust settles.

its total crap

and its enabled by being a complete pacifist and two faced git, enabling lies, and treating lieing and hypocritical behavior with any lack of integrity. Whatsoever.

[Swish]

Jibartik thinks hundreds of thousands of peaceful protestors standing on the streets of every large city in America, is the same as white nationalists being bussed into Washington DC, to follow the command of their dictator and stop our constitutional transfer of power from being carried out. There just are not words for this kind of ignorance and complete willful stupidity

The heroes and the villains are clearly defined in this post ^^

[Jibartik]

Nope, your the liar pal, you literally think that was the worst riots America had in recent history. Your pathetically stupid, and willfully ignorant.

I hate that you losers are making me do this

https://i.imgur.com/2UFSjkJ.png

Now to be clear, I understand why this happened.

But if you can udnerstand why this happened, and not what happened on nov 6th

if you can live in a nation, after this happened, but fear living in one after nov 6th

youre a stupid poopoo face.

[magnetaress]

I hate that you losers are making me do this

https://i.imgur.com/2UFSjkJ.png

You are bringing up BLM when you know damn well thats not what I'm talking about and I didn't condone an ounce of the BLM rioting. That is whataboutism.

This nation has been fucked since way before BLM and this Trump shit. it was fucked in 01 and before, it was fucked before I graduated highschool, I been tryin to tell u dis, but u want to ignore it.

Because we give fuckfaces a free pass.

[budz2112]

Lol hey guys did you know that 10-20 pictures proves that those were teh worst riots in American history, half being posters and american flags burned. You are pretty laughable. I guess you never heard of the period of the 70-90's. Keep showing how lame you are... You boys really need to go acquire an education rather than sitting on p99 forums all day long.

[magnetaress]

I wonder how bad BLM will be in 2025 and 2028 if Kushner or Ivanka gets elected and we start this cycle fresh. Or another Trumpistanian. And we just apologize for their destroying the peaceful transition of power in this country.

Look, I'm not 'scared' of that. I'm telling u people will get into their car and drive into things just because the more crap you enable. Doesn't matter who doin the bad things man.

[Mblake81]

Jibartik thinks hundreds of thousands of peaceful protestors standing on the streets of every large city in America, is the same as white nationalists being bussed into Washington DC, to follow the command of their dictator and stop our constitutional transfer of power from being carried out. There just are not words for this kind of ignorance and complete willful stupidity

Whos alt are you?

[Jibartik]

You are bringing up BLM when you know damn well thats not what I'm talking about and I didn't condone an ounce of the BLM rioting. That is whataboutism.

That is not directed at you, it was directed at the person I quoted.

Obviously people are a bit upset about this so we're not really making any progress.

But that's my point, we're not going ot make any progress, because the progressives are upset, and yall are acting 100% the same as Tucker Carlson.

[Jibartik]

I wonder how bad BLM will be in 2025 and 2028 if Kushner or Ivanka gets elected and we start this cycle fresh. Or another Trumpistanian. And we just apologize for their destroying the peaceful transition of power in this country.

Look, I'm not 'scared' of that. I'm telling u people will get into their car and drive into things just because the more crap you enable. Doesn't matter who doin the bad things man.

It will be very bad, because they will use facial tracking, cell phones, and other personal data, to find and arrest everyone who was there regardless of what they did. Because we are setting that precedent right now.

I almost wish a conservative was in charge, because when they are the left is against all that.

[-TK-]

I don't know why everyone's so upset. I'm sure all those protesters just wanted to set up their own Capital Hill Autonomous Zone. The precedent was only just set this summer for them with support of local government officials in Seattle. Have we forgotten already? Why can't they have one in DC?

Anyone that thinks this was really a coup attempt already has shown to have no critical thinking skills. Other countries are laughing at us every time we use the words 'attempted coup' because anyone of any intelligence outside of American media and politics knows better. The majority of the people there showed up with coolers and fanny-packs because they thought it would be a party. Some bad actors started pushing through and people did what people at any rock concert would do when the line is broken...they followed. I watched a news reporter yelling "It's like a warzone out here" with hundreds of people standing idly behind her on the steps not moving, and one woman shaking her ass at the camera behind the reporter. I wish I remembered her name so I could look up what warzones she's been in and how it compared to the events of that day.

And didn't we hear all summer the buildings are not important, anyway? I'm sure all those Trump supporters were just protesting against the systemic bias against Trump-cons - which was only re-affirmed that afternoon via tech companies. Once the government officials were out, they should have just turned the building over to the people if we're using the same logic we used from all of 2020.

It's obvious which of you got picked last or not at all for kickball growing up with how hard and fast you are to cling to a 'side' in all of this and gloss over any similarities (hypocrisy) between 1/6 and all of last year. You have a group of Americans genuinely feeling wronged and slighted by the system responding in much the same way - although less violently - that was condoned for an entire year by certain politicians.

The people that went in, threatened individuals, and destroyed property should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, but when they are arresting people and solely charging them with 'unauthorized entry of a federal building' as their only charge just to get the arrest numbers up...dogs and ponies.

[Jibartik]

Thank you I just needed someone to type that so I could read it and finally think to myself there is at least 1 sane person out there.

[magnetaress]

We are fucked, but even if conservatives are in charge all that will happen anyway.

Do you know how much crap they put thru to regulate copywrite and state commerce and business these last 4 years. It was way more important than healthcare.

We are losing badly.

I don't think Biden is gonna change it and I don't think the left are the good guys, but I don't want to cow-toe to MAGA either. You know dis. You known dis about me since we knew each-other first.

It's a damn shame I still can't be in the reserve, because I want a free UN helmet and to serve in the space drop corps.

[Jibartik]

Magne, I spent all last year trying to keep you from joining the assentiallist cults and now you up and want to fight for the mark of the beast.

smh

[magnetaress]

I've always been a cylon Jibartik.

I just occasionally muse about being human.

[Jibartik]

here is how I think we should be:

Thank god trump is gone! Lets try to untie with those people, I hate them, but lets just try to rise above. Ill call them out, but lets not just rub dirt in their eyes because we're in charge now. Let them cry foul when we push our agendas. Let them be upset, but when they are, lets just remind them that its our turn, and they'll get theres sooner or later, but lets show them the respect, we wished they shyowed us on november 6th

That's what bugs me, we talk about doing the right thing, but then when it comes to doing it, we just do the same old same old.

I mean for gods sake my whole life has been about voter disenfranchisement, wouldnt this be a good time to set up some policy about it so we can stop it once and for all?

NOOOOOO lets call them CRAAAAAZY for thinking the election process is broken.

S
M
H!

[Jibartik]

The doom speak is off the charts

I was sure the end was not nigh after biden won, but now I think we can get back on that path if we play our cards right? I doubt it, I feel like things are going to get pretty normal, but man, idk we might make a terrorists out of all of them after all!

Remember when the left used to say the meddling in the middle east was causing all the terrorist's in the first place?

As a end of days, chaos loving lunatic, Im glad to see us diving head first into that at home.

lol

[cd288]

I don't know why everyone's so upset. I'm sure all those protesters just wanted to set up their own Capital Hill Autonomous Zone. The precedent was only just set this summer for them with support of local government officials in Seattle. Have we forgotten already? Why can't they have one in DC?

Anyone that thinks this was really a coup attempt already has shown to have no critical thinking skills. Other countries are laughing at us every time we use the words 'attempted coup' because anyone of any intelligence outside of American media and politics knows better. The majority of the people there showed up with coolers and fanny-packs because they thought it would be a party. Some bad actors started pushing through and people did what people at any rock concert would do when the line is broken...they followed. I watched a news reporter yelling "It's like a warzone out here" with hundreds of people standing idly behind her on the steps not moving, and one woman shaking her ass at the camera behind the reporter. I wish I remembered her name so I could look up what warzones she's been in and how it compared to the events of that day.

And didn't we hear all summer the buildings are not important, anyway? I'm sure all those Trump supporters were just protesting against the systemic bias against Trump-cons - which was only re-affirmed that afternoon via tech companies. Once the government officials were out, they should have just turned the building over to the people if we're using the same logic we used from all of 2020.

It's obvious which of you got picked last or not at all for kickball growing up with how hard and fast you are to cling to a 'side' in all of this and gloss over any similarities (hypocrisy) between 1/6 and all of last year. You have a group of Americans genuinely feeling wronged and slighted by the system responding in much the same way - although less violently - that was condoned for an entire year by certain politicians.

The people that went in, threatened individuals, and destroyed property should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, but when they are arresting people and solely charging them with 'unauthorized entry of a federal building' as their only charge just to get the arrest numbers up...dogs and ponies.

So much of this statement is so idiotic that I honestly cannot tell if you actually mean these things or you’re just trying to troll

[Jibartik]

It's sad that you cant honestly tell.

[Gravydoo II]

I noticed nobody mentioned the dead people who wouldnt be dead if they didnt do this. Remember michigan? The armed take over? Then the 14 dudes who were going to kidnap and murder the governor? None of its related lol. Its all just 10,000,000 bad apples, all talking to one another in one place or another, planning shit and carrying it out under the guise of a big lie they know isnt true. Just a big coincidence that they planned it before hand...

[Jibartik]

Id agree with you to an extent, but not one that I think nov 6 was fort sumpter 2 nor do we need to "fund the police" over it.

[magnetaress]

here is how I think we should be:

Thank god trump is gone! Lets try to untie with those people, I hate them, but lets just try to rise above. Ill call them out, but lets not just rub dirt in their eyes because we're in charge now. Let them cry foul when we push our agendas. Let them be upset, but when they are, lets just remind them that its our turn, and they'll get theres sooner or later, but lets show them the respect, we wished they shyowed us on november 6th

That's what bugs me, we talk about doing the right thing, but then when it comes to doing it, we just do the same old same old.

I mean for gods sake my whole life has been about voter disenfranchisement, wouldnt this be a good time to set up some policy about it so we can stop it once and for all?

NOOOOOO lets call them CRAAAAAZY for thinking the election process is broken.

S
M
H!

2 years civil service. Mandatory. Tests.

Then we can talk about holographic barcodes with 456 bit crypto that permits voting a long side biometrics as a 2cnd factor. Oh, and since we aren't comms, and we're enlightened capitalism the voter foots the bill for tattooing, data storage, and authentication, if you can't afford it tough luck.

[imperiouskitten]

K

We will never see eye to eye and you don't have to be my friend. I just happen to disagree with treating some bad people lightly, and some other bad people harshly.

And I advocate we treat everyone equally harsh, and people face consequences.

If it was me that got shot in the neck u'd probably blabber about me, but I wouldn't want you to.

You may yet get your chance because I'm fucking tired of the bullshit pretense that 'we are the good guys'.

There are no good guys.

There hasn't been.

We've been fascist towards some and liberal towards others for 100 years.

Ya'll don't even know how to define fascism, and just use it as a word because you don't like authority.

I understand authority.

Listen to me or don't.

I was right about all of this in 2013.

i just wanna hurt ppl just want a tv condoned reason to write diatribes about obsessing over hurting ppl, just wanna be rude and tense my whole body up and imagine things blaowing up, this is my discourse and it. is. seriopus.

[imperiouskitten]

maerilith take a video of urself fantasizing about ordnance exploding in the middle of crowds in the capitol, like where ur really feeling it and ur head goes purple and your heart pounds. Then ill believe that your discourse is Truly Serious.

[bubur]

everybody here needs to take a deep breath and say 1 nice thing about joe b

[Cassawary]

everybody here needs to take a deep breath and say 1 nice thing about joe b

He's gonna reverse the Trump asylum policy to stimulate the economy.

Taco trucks go birria

[FatherSioux]

Joe B seems like an elderly person who probably doesn't stink.

[Swish]

everybody here needs to take a deep breath and say 1 nice thing about joe b

He's warm and affectionate.

[magnetaress]

https://i.imgur.com/cOS9Wse.jpg

https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2021/01/18/maryland-man-bryan-betancur-arrested-after-gps-monitor-places-him-at-us-capitol-during-riots-prosecutors-say/


A self-professed white supremacist from Maryland was arrested Sunday after his GPS monitor placed him at the US Capitol during the riots on January 6, CBS News reports.

According to a federal affidavit, Bryan Betancur has made statements to law enforcement officers that he is a member of several white supremacy organizations and has voiced “homicidal ideations, made comments about conducting a school shooting and has researched mass shootings,”

His parole officer told the FBI that he claimed to have been inside the Capitol with the rioters on January 6. He also said he was tear gassed and was paranoid about the FBI watching him.

Betancur was on probation, and when he asked for permission to go to DC to sell bibles with an organization called Gideon International, the request was granted.

He had gotten permission previously to go to DC with this group. Betancur had originally asked to be allowed to go in December 2020 and then reiterated his request on January 4. That request was approved. Under the terms of his probation, parole and probation agents use an online software to monitor travel and make sure they are following court-ordered curfews.

Based on a screenshot from the software, Betancur appeared to have gone in the direction of the White House Ellipse before moving east to the area around the west front of the U.S. Capitol building, the affidavit says.


Screenshot of BETANCUR’s location on the afternoon of January 6, 2021, logged by court
ordered monitoring device

They believe he was in the area of the Capitol building from 2 p.m. to around 5 p.m. based on this information. He was also identified in a social media post from the account “bryan_patriot_1776” holding the corner of the Confederate battle flag.


Screenshot of post by social media user “bryan_patriot_1776” provided via tip-line

Another photograph showed him to appear to be in a Proud Boys t-shirt flashing the “OK” hand signal, commonly used among white supremacy groups.


Screenshot of social media user “bryan_patriot_1776” showing individual believed to be

The affidavit says based on the prosecutor’s “knowledge of the facts uncovered in this investigation” that “at not time on or before January 6, 2021, was Bryan Betancur granted permission or authorized by rule to enter restricted grounds around the Capitol, nor did he, at any time, have authorization to assemble, display flags, or parade on the Grounds or in the Capitol building,”

“This did not involve rocket science investigatory techniques to figure out that he had been involved,” said Professor Michael Greenberger, founder and director of University of Maryland Center for Health and Homeland Security.

Greenberger said many of the people who stormed the U.S. Capitol that day were misguided.

“These people who were involved in January 6 are very proud of it. They have selfies, they have videos, they are telling friends and acquaintances they did what they did and that’s how these indictments are running up so quickly,” Greenberger said.

The Department of Correctional Services said in a statement: “Parole and Probation has been working closely with federal authorities and is continuing its investigation in cooperation with them.”

Betancur was previously convicted for fourth-degree burglary and after he was released engaged with “racially motivated violent extremist groups on the internet, expressing his desire to be a ‘lone wolf killer.'”

It’s those types of ideologies that have put the U.S. Capitol and state houses across the country on high alert.

“It scared the wits out of everybody, and now the enforcement systems to make sure that the inauguration goes smoothly are on steroids,” Greenberger said.

Annapolis has increased its police presence near the state’s capitol building, though the chief said there are no known threats.

Annapolis Police Heighten Presence Downtown, Near State House Ahead Of Inauguration

“I’ve been associated with law enforcement for almost 40 years, and this is one of the most coordinated efforts I’ve ever seen,” said Annapolis Police Chief Edward Jackson

The affidavit said Betancur told his probation officer he was in the Capitol and then he tried to change his statement. But there are also witnesses who saw his posts on social media.


i just wanna hurt ppl just want a tv condoned reason to write diatribes about obsessing over hurting ppl, just wanna be rude and tense my whole body up and imagine things blaowing up, this is my discourse and it. is. seriopus.

Regardless of your sex, gender or outfit return policy. You're an idiot.

A useful one at that.

[Gravydoo II]

Biden is going to be impeached on the 21st lol

[bubur]

DAMN seems like everyones gettin in peach except mario amirite

ha ha ha

[magnetaress]

Capitol rioter threatened to shoot his children if they told FBI about DC trip, authorities say
'If you turn me in, you’re a traitor and you know what happens to traitors … traitors get shot,' he allegedly said.


Imagine growing up in this household. (https://www.foxnews.com/us/capitol-shoot-children-dc-riot.amp)

(I did.)

And getting shot by your own dad.

God bless.

Pras FOX news.

TVs go brrrrr.

Patriot act 6 go brrrrr.

[magnetaress]

He's gonna reverse the Trump asylum policy to stimulate the economy.

Taco trucks go birria

Taco trucks will become legal citizens with the authority to vote.

[magnetaress]

BTW if you want real news with deep insider deets of acthcuall conversation from the people inside the white house.

Axios.com has been killing it.

There shit on Gina Haspell (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.axios.com/off-the-rails-trump-cia-kash-patel-6c5ea317-43e9-48da-993f-5c7ab823c4c1.html) leading upto the insurrection was 37337.

*I'm not a liberal or libertarian, I do not espouse the views of the left or conservatives. I voted for Singapore.

https://i.imgur.com/nILuQ26.jpg

[Gravydoo II]

DAMN seems like everyones gettin in peach except mario amirite

ha ha ha

I wish I was kidding.
https://www.salon.com/2021/01/14/qanon-congresswoman-vows-to-impeach-joe-biden-one-day-after-his-inauguration/

[Bonethunder]

They interviewed a migrant in the caravan and he said we have 100 days to get to the US Guys

[magnetaress]

Latin Americans rarely immigrate to Singapore.

[Cassawary]

I think Mitch is gonna turn the page on hardcore obstructionism(because Biden AINT BLACK)

They're already forming bipartisan commitees(8-8) and moving forward together

:) Trust the plan :)

[Gwaihir]

13922
Rachel Levi-ne appointed assistant health secretary.

Diversity is our greatest strength.

Trust the plan.

2 more weeks.

[Cassawary]

13922
Rachel Levi-ne appointed assistant health secretary.

Diversity is our greatest strength.

Trust the plan.

2 more weeks.

What does an assistant secretary do? :confused:

[magnetaress]

In hacker terminology a honeypot is a server made to appear vulnerable and attract an attackers attention. And make them show themselves if they've penitrated a network by setting off some detection system like tripwire or interrupting the routine logging.

It's probably a less important position than we realize and it is a move designed to trigger people.

Honestly I don't think Biden or Harris is this smart or persnickety. And I wouldn't have made her one of the faces of HHS if I was in their shoes. I suspect any official whom attacks her or criticizes her gender may get a lot of scrutiny.

She carried out a controversial policy of making assisted living facilities accept Covid 19 patients. But tbqh a lot of those patients were probably black and would have become homeless if they didn't go to the Nursing home or ALF. There's a lot of dirty politics between those facilities and hospitals. At the same time, her mother was moved into a hotel.

You don't want to consider my solution to that particular issue. It's anarcho capitalism

I'm not sure I personally agree with Dr Levine's beliefs. Particularly on gender.

She may be pro Marijuana tho? Or against. Would be funny and ironic if the gay frogs got their weed legalized for public consumption in due part to her.

[Gwaihir]

I think she's a real peach.

Can't wait to see her really shake things up.

[imperiouskitten]

we should just make every uggo take T and every cutie take E

[imperiouskitten]

also melania and michelle need to come out for christ's sake.

[Jibartik]

what is melania going to come out as? a white walker?

[Tunabros]

what is melania going to come out as? a white walker?

LOL

[Kaveh]

I think she's a real peach.

Can't wait to see her really shake things up.

That’s John travolta in a wig

[FatherSioux]

That’s John travolta in a wig

She looks like a dark elf with vitiligo.

[Gravydoo II]

Republicans after the capitol has been attacked: we need to resist the temptation to further increase partisanship! We must move on! We must look to the future, not the past.

since the whole thing kinda failed and they showed they have ZERO principles.

[FatherSioux]

Republicans after the capitol has been attacked: we need to resist the temptation to further increase partisanship! We must move on! We must look to the future, not the past.

since the whole thing kinda failed and they showed they have ZERO principles.

The Left and Right see morals quite differently. Liberals focus all of their power onto two of those pillars, Care-Harm and Liberty-Oppression.


https://www.amazon.com/Righteous-Mind-Divided-Politics-Religion/dp/0307455777

Great book everyone should read.

[Cassawary]

Trump, outside the garden, his eyes wet

[cd288]

Oh man guys father Sioux posted a chart so that means it’s definitely legit

Side note: it’s Inauguration Day! Here’s to getting back toward a more centrist nation where both sides get some wins and we try and stay closer to the center rather than going extreme on one side or the other. Thank god Trump is gone!

[FatherSioux]

You would be well served in not assuming I’m peddling lies. That book and research are done by Jonathan Haidt, respected Liberal social psychologist.

[budz2112]

^ Let us know when you know what the 1st amendment says

[Cassawary]

You would be well served in not assuming I’m peddling lies. That book and research are done by Jonathan Haidt, respected Liberal social psychologist.

sounds like liberal arts :p

[magnetaress]

https://youtu.be/XQfBo9Z1VJA

fooods for thots

[Gwaihir]

The Left and Right see morals quite differently. Liberals focus all of their power onto two of those pillars, Care-Harm and Liberty-Oppression.


https://www.amazon.com/Righteous-Mind-Divided-Politics-Religion/dp/0307455777

Great book everyone should read.

I read it, and I already brought this 2 to 3 years ago. You're wasting your time. It's better to just hold the mirror of their own absurdity up to their face, as they're too stupid to engage anything on an intellectual basis.

[Cassawary]

It seems like a waste of time, given the views of the people recommending it.

🤷

[magnetaress]

https://youtu.be/XQfBo9Z1VJA

fooods for thots

this is 1000% on point

it's fukin good m8s

[Jimjam]

Liberal / Conservative seems an unusual dipole.

Maybe this ties back to my other thread, where I have to admit I don't really quite understand the subtleties of the meaning of these two words in the American parlance.

[Jimjam]

this is 1000% on point

it's fukin good m8s

Why is this family hour so many more minutes than 60??

Is this another intricacy of Americanism?

[Jibartik]

I always wondered if we had 2 suns so there was a night, a day, and a like, grey area.

if we wouldn't have yin/yang but we'd have yin/yan/yang

left/center/right

good/noble/bad

up/ballanced/down

and we'd have a better society.

Always wondered if we're just a victim of the giant rocks that we're around and everything we do is based on those rocks and the day night cycle, that makes us think, "well, you're either good, or bad! No way to be in between!"

[magnetaress]

https://youtu.be/XQfBo9Z1VJA

fooods for thots

this is 1000% on point

it's fukin good m8s

listen to it after the advertisement

it's fucking epic

i got off :D :p and feel spiritually uplifted

[magnetaress]

https://youtu.be/XQfBo9Z1VJA

fooods for thots

this is 1000% on point

it's fukin good m8s

listen to it after the advertisement

it's fucking epic

i got off :D :p and feel spiritually uplifted

it's like everything i've been trying to say.

[magnetaress]

it's like everything i've been trying to say.

like psychic level awareness m8s

[magnetaress]

cosmic

[FatherSioux]

It seems like a waste of time, given the views of the people recommending it.

🤷

This is the exact reason you should read it. Break away from the echo chamber.

[Cassawary]

This is the exact reason you should read it. Break away from the echo chamber.

no u

[magnetaress]

sometimes bending wills and stick poking with the intention of letting them go free is not evul

it is dangerous tho

have to be careful and thoughtful otherwise u get called fasch

ya i don't think cassawary is an echo chamber, cassawary constantly challanges me

u don't have to poke sticks to bend wills either, sometimes sugar works

[FatherSioux]

He’s refusing to read a book because it was touted by people he sees as lesser. Certainly lacking an open mind. Especially because the book is titled “Why good people are divided by politics and religion”

[Cassawary]

He’s refusing to read a book because it was touted by people he sees as lesser. Certainly lacking an open mind. Especially because the book is titled “Why good people are divided by politics and religion”

Nah, I can learn stuff from Gwaihir but I disagree with his minarchist views. He has a lot of anger though, perhaps rightly so. I don't want that in my life.

You're just some Johnny cum dumbly who got into politics because of Mr Trump.

[magnetaress]

stop arguinng with them they are dum and don't want to close their eyes and listen to the universe in the darkness and silence

am I really fashy?

[Mblake81]

^ ultra fash

Now that the peaceful transfer of power is behind us, you can be the fash you have always wanted to be. So trendy.

[Gwaihir]

Haidt, like most lefties, entirely omits the concept of prudence in his moral framework.

Prudence is the moral that is used to temper/balance other morals.

Without prudence, bravery become foolhardiness, good intentions become oppressive instruments etc.

The fact that the left doesn't even consider prudence to exist in the moral framework (and a lot of people on the right as well) is very telling as to why anyone with any modicum of centrality is left scratching their heads in what-the-fuck-dome as the left and right play tug of war into extremism on both sides of the political aisle.

This is my judgement on haidt's "The Righteous Mind"; it glaringly overlooks the value of prudence.

[Mblake81]

Fashwave

New breed of anime hero music.

[FatherSioux]

Nah, I can learn stuff from Gwaihir but I disagree with his minarchist views. He has a lot of anger though, perhaps rightly so. I don't want that in my life.

You're just some Johnny cum dumbly who got into politics because of Mr Trump.

Yeah you’re clearly pure of heart and anger free.

[cd288]

This is the exact reason you should read it. Break away from the echo chamber.

Aren’t you the guy who won’t watch certain news sources because they don’t echo your views

[magnetaress]

I want Father to tell me not to listen to https://youtu.be/XQfBo9Z1VJA

[Jibartik]

Well, lets see if we legalize weed federally, that'd be a start.

[magnetaress]

need to legalize stuff so ppl who cant do weed have options too

not fair that weed is legal but opium flowers are not

weed is just another material alternative 'not internal' force tho and has it's own spirit and soul (and it's more dangerous than ppl think)

just like corn

and flour

and sugar

tobacco

oil

roundup

our machines will feed gold, arsenic and mercury into the world to feed the production of weed

over food

grown at home

now i'm stressing about people again

i'm not unilaterally opposed to weed, i think it would be better to spend less resources on incarcerating and hunting ppl over it, but it wont magically solve the problems we face

[Jibartik]

True.

Life is hard.

I hope it's not about survival of the fittest, and just a test, because that's my best bet lol

[magnetaress]

True.

Life is hard.

I hope it's not about survival of the fittest, and just a test, because that's my best bet lol:o

[Shourty]

US capital building gets breached. Is this the end? Of what?

[Jibartik]

well.. Trump?

[Shourty]

He had nothing to do with that.
It was planned on face book for weeks before it happened. The police were making a way for the folks who entered before his comments about being peaceful.

[FatherSioux]

I want Father to tell me not to listen to https://youtu.be/XQfBo9Z1VJA

I would never, Duncan is a national treasure.

[Bonethunder]

People being addicted to carbs and tobacco is a much bigger problem then weed

[magnetaress]

Weed doesn't suppress appetite tho.

I also agree with u.

I eat canned spinach when I can. Low carb. High vitamins. Cheep. Reasonablely harmless? Trying to remove all harm from my diet super challenging, delusional even maybe.

I struggle to eat really healthy tho. Mostly because I stop thinking and preparing. Plus mega pain.

[bubur]

Just want to give a big shoutout. Wish him well and best of luck in the new administration. It's been an historical time and I'm proud to welcome our new president:

Carroll, the new off-topic elf forum president

I think we should elect an off topic elf forum president

I nominate carroll

I was the only one that voted, but for the record, any requests for or discussions about a recount shall be vehemently denied and laughed at

Congratulations President Carroll!

[Jibartik]

lol congratulations on your inauguration day! I got you two giant glasses, like the type you get for buying 10 gallons of petrol at your local Texaco station.

https://i.imgur.com/BI17jLf.png

[Bonethunder]

look how stupid his head looks , who would vote for him thinking he should be president?

[Gustoo]

Did you see when Kamala Harris passed herself in the audience wearing something that looked like a coronavirus mask but with an air cylinder attached to it with a small hose and gave herself the tenet symbol??

[cd288]

look how stupid his head looks , who would vote for him thinking he should be president?

Imagine, in contrast, a guy who grew up rich and spent his life mocking people who live in the south and midwest as idiots and people in the south and midwest go "yeah he sounds like a good person who cares about me, I'll vote for him!" lmao

[Gustoo]

Good point. Trump legitimately hates normal working class people.

[Gwaihir]

Aren’t you the guy who won’t watch certain news sources because they don’t echo your views

I don't watch TV at all. I intuit all of my news directly from the social consciousness. This is why I was able to say the "student loan crisis" is an issue being brought to head by women and then, when asked to provide a source, was able to post-hoc pull the source and it turns out I was exactly right.

Women own 2/3rds of the student loan debt, and they default at a rate almost 50% higher than men (34% of all women are in default, vs 24% of men, a true 50% higher default rate would be 36% for women.)
I'm sure if we give them a little more time to continue borrowing with no intention or ability to pay it back we can reach that 50% higher default rate milestone.

If women have twice as much student loan debt with a 50% higher default rate, than this means the student loan crisis is 75% a women's problem, which men are supposed to pretty much entirely make up for, since women are net drags on the taxation system.

Muh patriarchy

[Jibartik]

The Five on fox is always good TV imo! Those people are 5 different types of crazy.

"Juan. Juan, Juan... I gotta stop you, Juan, no Juan... Juan I gotta stop you there."

I love they got a black guy named Juan to be the democrat of the bunch lol

The best show. I think there is even an ex VJ on it.

There's this awesome blond girl who like, represents vapid women everywhere. I love when she talks cus its like, so innocently hitler lmao

[cd288]

Lol Proud Boys realizing Trump (not surprisingly) betrayed them and let them take the fall for him:

“It really is important for us all to see how much Trump betrayed his supporters this week. We are nationalists 1st and always. Trump was just a man and as it turns out an extraordinarily weak one at the end.”

[Jibartik]

Damn, that's everyone! Gonna suck to be him this next few years.

[Gwaihir]

The Five on fox is always good TV imo! Those people are 5 different types of crazy.

"Juan. Juan, Juan... I gotta stop you, Juan, no Juan... Juan I gotta stop you there."

I love they got a black guy named Juan to be the democrat of the bunch lol

The best show. I think there is even an ex VJ on it.

There's this awesome blond girl who like, represents vapid women everywhere. I love when she talks cus its like, so innocently hitler lmao

Fox news is zionist-controlled, controlled-opposition.

[Bonethunder]

there is no student loan crisis, a loan and college is 100% optional, tons of things you can do for money while your going to school its just lazy kids who have unrealistic expectations as to how much they will make after college and spend too much

first lesson in credit, if you cant pay your loan should go into a federal work program , work all day and sleep in jail, see how much outstanding debt you have then.

[Jibartik]

Fox news is zionist-controlled, controlled-opposition.

Well whatever it is The Five is hilarious.

there is no student loan crisis, a loan and college is 100% optional, tons of things you can do for money while your going to school its just lazy kids who have unrealistic expectations as to how much they will make after college and spend too much

first lesson in credit, if you cant pay your loan should go into a federal work program , work all day and sleep in jail, see how much outstanding debt you have then.

You know, if im going to argue that tech companies can do whatever they want, I bet I have to argue that banks can too and if they want to sell me on a fake future so I buy their bonds, I guess that's the way it be.

Im willing to just move on from student loans myself, I dont feel that's our biggest problem.

My student loan backed education taught me a valuable lesson, do not let my son get student loans.

[Gwaihir]

there is no student loan crisis, a loan and college is 100% optional, tons of things you can do for money while your going to school its just lazy kids who have unrealistic expectations as to how much they will make after college and spend too much

first lesson in credit, if you cant pay your loan should go into a federal work program , work all day and sleep in jail, see how much outstanding debt you have then.

Why do you think I put it in quotes?

Mr. Shekelberg not getting his pound of flesh from a couple of welching mooches does not a "Crisis" make. Technically, all loans are calculated risk. If there is no "Risk" then the owners of said loan don't deserve a fucking cent of interest on it. Subsequently, because they are charging interest on student loans, they should be subject to dismissal in a bankruptcy. However, you can thank Biden for playing a key role in making student loans nearly impossible to dismiss in a bankruptcy; definitely one of his babies.

[Gwaihir]

However, you can thank Biden for playing a key role in making student loans nearly impossible to dismiss in a bankruptcy; definitely one of his babies.

And the post-hoc fact check from Gwaihir intuiting this accusation from the social consciousness says:

True

Private student loans were largely stripped of bankruptcy protections in 2005 in a congressional move that had the devastating impact of tripling such debt over a decade and locking in millions of Americans to years of grueling repayments.
The Republican-led bill tightened the bankruptcy code, unleashing a huge giveaway to lenders at the expense of indebted student borrowers. At the time it faced vociferous opposition from 25 Democrats in the US Senate.

But it passed anyway, with 18 Democratic senators breaking ranks and casting their vote in favor of the bill. Of those 18, one politician stood out as an especially enthusiastic champion of the credit companies who, as it happens, had given him hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign contributions – Joe Biden.

[Gwaihir]

Well whatever it is The Five is hilarious.
.

I would have to buy a cable tv package to watch this crap. I don't pay to be forcibly indoctrinated and marketed toward.

Except for that one time. In band camp

[Jibartik]

I would have to buy a cable tv package to watch this crap. I don't pay to be forcibly indoctrinated and marketed toward.

Except for that one time. In band camp

Threes this new thing called youtube where you can see like, anything, all you gotta do is type it in and a robot goes and pulls it up!

[magnetaress]

Why do you think I put it in quotes?

Mr. Shekelberg not getting his pound of flesh from a couple of welching mooches does not a "Crisis" make. Technically, all loans are calculated risk. If there is no "Risk" then the owners of said loan don't deserve a fucking cent of interest on it. Subsequently, because they are charging interest on student loans, they should be subject to dismissal in a bankruptcy. However, you can thank Biden for playing a key role in making student loans nearly impossible to dismiss in a bankruptcy; definitely one of his babies.

Indeed.

[Cassawary]

https://i.imgur.com/3R1wUcC.gif

[cd288]

And the post-hoc fact check from Gwaihir intuiting this accusation from the social consciousness says:

True

Private student loans were largely stripped of bankruptcy protections in 2005 in a congressional move that had the devastating impact of tripling such debt over a decade and locking in millions of Americans to years of grueling repayments.
The Republican-led bill tightened the bankruptcy code, unleashing a huge giveaway to lenders at the expense of indebted student borrowers. At the time it faced vociferous opposition from 25 Democrats in the US Senate.

But it passed anyway, with 18 Democratic senators breaking ranks and casting their vote in favor of the bill. Of those 18, one politician stood out as an especially enthusiastic champion of the credit companies who, as it happens, had given him hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign contributions – Joe Biden.

This is one of the reasons I was okay with Biden. He isn’t afraid of going away from the Democrat party line and voting sensibly on fiscal issues. I believe he’s actually kinda close to center right fiscally.

Now, there is definitely a big crisis related to student loans, but it has nothing to do with this bankruptcy protection. The issue is that we’ve made higher education more available without making corresponding changes in our country such that there are actual jobs available for those people to use said higher degree. Then you couple that with the fact that wage growth has remained stagnant due to the large amount of people vying for those positions (I.e. you can get a quality employee for relatively cheap because they have no negotiating leverage since there are so many applicants) plus increasing cost of living across the board and you have a crisis where these people can’t afford to pay their loans off. It really is a significant problem that is going to affect us a lot in the very long term.

But allowing loans to be voided in bankruptcy would’ve only resulted in loans being nearly impossible to get or otherwise offered at such high interest rates that people wouldn’t be able to pay them off anyway.

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Bailing out lenders over individuals being decided by the courts is communist. And federal big government loving.

As upposed to states and individuals rights.

It is fashy too.

Lenders are now state corporations and backed by the state.