ugh... ToV rotation wtf??

[Fifield]

this some sick joke? competitive raiding is why P99 is so popular...

so now were gonna go and sock the shit outa everything outside tov and wait your turn to raid in tov?

pass... i take back my application to be a guide here if this server is going to a rotation

[isiah]

RIP server.

[Vallaen]

Last cycle there wasn't 6 guilds in there.

Core+BG were under 1 banner.
AM under theres.
AG was in there.

So 3 guilds? I dont know what Tempest was doing.

[Daloon]

This kills the server

[Wonkie]

god bless the rotation

May Chest's Will Be Done

[Mikebro]

Let me know when my 9 weeks is up I'll be outside... lol what a joke.

[ibiza]

RIP server.

RIP

[aaezil]

Server will be so much better with the terribles that quit because of this! Yay rejoice!

[Fragged]

See yah one day every two months.

RIP p99

[Wonkie]

Server will be so much better with the terribles that quit because of this! Yay rejoice!

[Mendo]

Time to make a bunch of 40 man guilds? Rotation of 20 guilds? Sweet, now we can all see dragons twice a year.

[Mikebro]

RIP server.

[Twochain]

.....Welp, that sounds boring as fuck

EW

[Fragged]

Let the era of a million 30 man guilds begin, with peoples alt's spread across another million 30 man guilds.

And there was much rejoicing...

[Vallaen]

Can i put my alt in the other guilds

[branamil]

You've basically created instances.. which is the reason people came back to EQ - no instances. And the example of a sky rotation working is not that well thought out, because You need all the keys from one island to progress to the next.

[Wonkie]

Let the era of a million 30 man guilds begin, with peoples alt's spread across another million 30 man guilds.

And there was much rejoicing...

how dare people play with their friends whom they like

[branamil]

And for the record the sky rotation sucks because if a new guild wants in, the whole calendar is basically blocked out except for maybe 5:30am tuesdays?

So basically now you can only raid ToV a few times a year?

[pogs4ever]

Server rotations is classic. Rathe server was the best

[Fifield]

Im trying to look at the other side of things. there are alot of new players on this server, there are about 400 or 500 of us that competitively fight over tov?

All of us that love to compete will stop logging in, we've all played on rotated servers, its gets extremely boring logging in to kill "your turn" of mobs.

The casual players will love this, you will get a chance to kill all of ToV. There will still be people who want to play on a rotated server. But there are about 10 different servers that you can play on a rotated server, P99 competitive raiding was the ONLY server with this.

I am having a hard time figuring out the GM's standpoint on this. If i was a GM id simply go no rules in ToV, figure it out yourself, not rotations...

[Wonkie]

And for the record the sky rotation sucks because if a new guild wants in, the whole calendar is basically blocked out except for maybe 5:30am tuesdays?

So basically now you can only raid ToV a few times a year?

as opposed to classic, wherein guilds were instapulling dragons when they spawned

[Jayzeus]

Good thing they deleted all those guilds, sure no more will come to fruition with this move.

[Daloon]

The fallout of this, as mentioned, splinter guilds will form and there will be 20 different 45-man guilds wanting in rotation.

Really need Rogean/Nilbog to comment on how he thinks 1 ToV raid every half of a year is good for p99 in any way.

Literally zero reason to even log in

[enjchanter]

Guess ill just go to live and farm tov on my heroics in this case

[Mendo]

This kills the raid scene for the true casuals! I now have to raid when the "scheduled" time is. If I dont I wont get to see raids for a couple of months.

In the current system. If I miss dragons on Tuesday, more will spawn on Wednesday or next week.

[Jan Jensen]

But it's not April 1st yet?

[aaezil]

Im trying to look at the other side of things. there are alot of new players on this server, there are about 400 or 500 of us that competitively fight over tov?

All of us that love to compete will stop logging in, we've all played on rotated servers, its gets extremely boring logging in to kill "your turn" of mobs.

The casual players will love this, you will get a chance to kill all of ToV. There will still be people who want to play on a rotated server. But there are about 10 different servers that you can play on a rotated server, P99 competitive raiding was the ONLY server with this.

I am having a hard time figuring out the GM's standpoint on this. If i was a GM id simply go no rules in ToV, figure it out yourself, not rotations...

If it were like this only the biggest zerg guild or the poopiest of sock guild would ever see dragon loot. That is far worse than braknars plan.

[Daloon]

Server rotations is classic. Rathe server was the best

Rathe server also had Luclin in that rotation, PoP later, and server repops twice a week.

[Foxplay]

batphone tears

[Jayzeus]

You've basically created instances.. which is the reason people came back to EQ - no instances. And the example of a sky rotation working is not that well thought out, because You need all the keys from one island to progress to the next.

Instances, without the instances! Yay

[Wonkie]

Literally zero reason to even log in

im glad of it

[aaezil]

The fallout of this, as mentioned, splinter guilds will form and there will be 20 different 45-man guilds wanting in rotation.

Really need Rogean/Nilbog to comment on how he thinks 1 ToV raid every half of a year is good for p99 in any way.

Literally zero reason to even log in

Hope you never log in again

[Zorcher]

This some diablo immortal type bullshit

[Syche]

Beautiful

[Zal22]

Braknar has set you free.

This is a good thing sickos. You can still baphone Velketor if you wish

[Supreme]

remove spawn variance..change spawn to 3 days (no matter if boss is up or not) move rotation. With 9 guilds that means your rotation will be once every 27 days (lolz). Reduce drop rates.

[Wonkie]

you guys know its a roleplaying game right? do that.

your character is more than a murderhobo who lives in tov, you know

[Sonderbeast]

Just in time for Pantheon!

[Jan Jensen]

Rathe server also had Luclin in that rotation, PoP later, and server repops twice a week.

There was also only one guild capable of killing Aaryonar on The Rathe up until Luclin launched :)

p99 raid scene has absolutely nothing in common with actual classic and implementing a 2+ month rotation is laughable. Just root the damn dragons already.

[Nikkanu]

Quick, let's split all our guilds into more guilds to get more spots... :confused:

[aaezil]

Braknar has set you free.

This is a good thing sickos. You can still baphone Velketor if you wish

[Wonkie]

The staff will step in and intervene as needed if guilds or groups are found abusing this system.

B-B-B-RAKNAR has a deathtouch for you smartypantses planning 3 dozen alt guilds

[Viscere]

Look at the current situation in Venezuela! Why would GMs even think about implementing this !

[DnGMisfit]

Oh nooo. How is Aftermath gonna feed all those poor hungry pixel catchers? RIP.

[Fifield]

Worst part about this, is that its possibly going to break up a bunch of guilds that people love to call home.

[matticas]

How disappointing.

[Vallaen]

Sucks to be a casual

[Ruhtar]

So many salty tears. How wonderful!

[TripleLegit]

Red population about to double again. Cue the recruitment threads any minute

[Bbeta]

RIP p99. Welcome to the modern mmo. Tov is officially a gm enforced instance.

[Fifield]

Maybe they are releasing a new green server with competitive raiding and blue is becoming a rotation?

I would be ok with this

[phatogre]

How long does a refund take for my p99 subscription? And how do I get in touch with the corporate office? Is all of AM quitting actually like cancer miraculously disappearing? Is a content locked server with angry lawyerquesting nerds who need to "compete" with 150 people logged in a good thing? Should these leet competitors maybe get into sports? Do people forget the server history and how many changes were decried as "killing the game"? All very good questions I agree.

[Syche]

How long does a refund take for my p99 subscription? And how do I get in touch with the corporate office? Is all of AM quitting actually like cancer miraculously disappearing? Is a content locked server with angry lawyerquesting nerds who need to "compete" with 150 people logged in a good thing? Should these leet competitors maybe get into sports? Do people forget the server history and how many changes were decried as "killing the game"? All very good questions I agree.

This guy gets it.

[Nikkanu]

I really enjoyed when mob spawn times were random and I could log in to kill some dargons with my homies in elf land. GMs want players to do scheduled raids and plan their lives around p99? Wtf...

[Solist]

RIP p99. Welcome to the modern mmo. Tov is officially a gm enforced instance.

You're complaining less than a month after getting your toons unbanned? Fly close to the sun m8.

[Razdeline]

this some sick joke? competitive raiding is why P99 is so popular...

so now were gonna go and sock the shit outa everything outside tov and wait your turn to raid in tov?

pass... i take back my application to be a guide here if this server is going to a rotation

The minority that play here are competitive raiders. You people that can't follow rules fucked up the competitive raid scene for everyone. If you're mad, blame them. Most of us have careers and lives, families and priorities. Not all of us can be EQ junkies for eternity. Maybe try meth to quell your toxic raid scene withdrawals.

[Trelaboon]

Might as well go back to Agnarr.

[Nikkanu]

I really enjoyed when mob spawn times were random and I could log in to kill some dargons with my homies in elf land. GMs want players to do scheduled raids and plan their lives around p99? Wtf...

I meant to say that I could log in and kill some dargons with my pals in elf land WHEN I HAD TIME... Now it's either plan your life around "ToV day" or rarely ever get to raid... and that hurts casuals just as much as it does the hardcore raiders.

This is ultra carebear, even more so than instanced raid zones in WoW.

[Safe Space]

Bring back NO CSR VP

[Wonkie]

think of it this way: you'll have way more time to permacamp fungi king

you know, since you won't be raiding as much :)

[Bbeta]

You're complaining less than a month after getting your toons unbanned? Fly close to the sun m8.

The spirit of p99 has just been shattered. It was all that is left for non instance competitive open world raiding. I guess I'm complaining but that doesn't make me less grateful to be unbanned

[Trelaboon]

This is ultra carebear, even more so than instanced raid zones in WoW.

This makes those p99 knockoffs like Legacy of Norrath look really appealing.

[Viscere]

lol thinking cause you raid in an MMO you don't have a career

[Leegin]

I find this new ToV enforcement absolutely wonderful. Although I wish they would do this rotation enforcement through quakes or at least remove the variance in ToV.

[beargryllz]

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEE

[Magerin]

I dont normally chime in on this server forums but this has to be the worst thing for this server. I mean, to forcefully place junk status guilds in the rotation with zero proof half of those guilds actively killed / FTE / pulled / fielded the numbers to kill any of the NToV mobs is laughable.

[Fifield]

fucking might have to look at those 2 new live eq servers coming out in march... dear god i loved my p99 why... WHY!!!

7 years on this server, you build a guild, you start going for mobs, you build your guild up, AG was just starting to become a juggernaught, Core and BG picking up tov dragons. Was about to be a good era of P99.

[phatogre]

lol thinking cause you raid in an MMO you don't have a career

I already told Detoxx but pizza is not a career

[KorafRN]

Important question guys, does this mean HOT is weekly rotated as well?

[Ashenden]

I didn't realize how much this hurt me and all my casual friends, or that the server was literally dead now, until <Aftermath> explained it to me. Thanks for always helping out.

[Wonkie]

7 years on this server

i found the problem

[Nommis]

RIP AM

https://i.imgur.com/LWNzSP8.gif

[shortshot444]

I hope its a troll to scare guilds into just learning to work out issues themselves. If you are given super cool items with these charity rules, are they even super cool anymore? Seems to make raiding less desirable.

[Syche]

RIP AM

https://i.imgur.com/LWNzSP8.gif

Love me some Rewl!

[mattydef]

Im sure 3-4 of those weeks will have plenty of FFA mobs for the other guilds to go after once the 72 hours is up.

[Imago]

Come to red and enjoy a non-rotation experience!

[Jan Jensen]

7 years on this server, you build a guild, you start going for mobs, you build your guild up, AG was just starting to become a juggernaught, Core and BG picking up tov dragons. Was about to be a good era of P99.

Sadly, this is true. There was finally a glint of actual competition in ToV and this just sunk it completely.

Can we at least hasten this process along and just rotate the entire server please?

[aaezil]

I like how all the zerg guild mads dont realize that theres more raid zones than just tov

[enjchanter]

If you are given super cool items with these charity rules, are they even super cool anymore? Seems to make raiding less desirable.

This exactly. Why bother

[Wonkie]

This exactly. Why bother

do the stats go down if others players have them??

it's the same item

[Mead]

https://i.imgur.com/ysK7eZ6.jpg

[Bones]

so in order to deal with the clusterfuck in ToV you put it on rotation, and moved the clusterfuck to every valuable target outside ToV

nice plan

[Sonderbeast]

I like how all the zerg guild mads dont realize that theres more raid zones than just tov

Oh we know, and it's gonna suck for the rest of ya'll

[aaezil]

Oh we know, and it's gonna suck for the rest of ya'll

Lol bring it on zergy. well not for long many of your members are rage quitting

[Daloon]

700 people running up during a Vindi/KT/Dain/Statue pop won't cause annnny more petitions.

[Fifield]

RIP AM

https://i.imgur.com/LWNzSP8.gif

lmao

[Bones]

gonna be 200 people in fear on a terror pop now

[Bones]

what could go wrong

[remen]

I hope its a troll to scare guilds into just learning to work out issues themselves. If you are given super cool items with these charity rules, are they even super cool anymore? Seems to make raiding less desirable.

This guy gets it, the fun is in the competition. The dragons aren't actually hard to kill when you have the entire zone to yourself, and the items you get won't feel earned.

[Ashenden]

700 people running up during a Vindi/KT/Dain/Statue pop won't cause annnny more petitions.

This kills the server

The server is killed, why would you be in Kael?

[Vapos]

An ill-thought-out solution to a non-existent problem. Not very classic to boot. Why not just make instances?

[Wonkie]

ToV has what, 14 bosses? And you're poking holes in it cuz of uh 3?

weird flex but ok

[reznor_]

https://i.imgur.com/ysK7eZ6.jpg

lmao

[remen]

How is it that Tempest gets a slot in the rotation? They haven't killed a raid mob in like a month.

[Tupakk]

Man and I thought I had a bad day losing one of my long term officers.

For the record. The Sky rotation hasn’t been working well and is apples to oranges.


This is a poor mans instances in order to preserve the “classic” position of not having an instances.

I won’t be surprised if you list goes from 6 to 12 in a week. Especially since some of those players have 6-8 60s wanting tov gear.

This is a bad call I have a feeling people are going to find many loop holes in it. Also will create more lawyer quest than you think as people will still sock at ent and cry about anyone entering TOV.

While it sucks that there are now 6 guilds in Tov and training will happen. These guilds aren’t dumb and if an active pull is happening the guild out of place should be at fault.

Fuck rotations it should be FTE take presidence.

Or hey bite the bullet and make instances root a few of the mobs force a crawl and leave the public zone to the casuals.

[remen]

And blood guard / core have been an alliance for a while but they each get their own slot now?

[enjchanter]

do the stats go down if others players have them??

it's the same item

No but if I go get vulak robe on a daybreak server is it still cool ?

No because you just go grab some candy after you take your turn at the loot pinata

[aaezil]

No but if I go get vulak robe on a daybreak server is it still cool ?

No because you just go grab some candy after you take your turn at the loot pinata

You play eq obsessesively enough to loot a vulak robe you arent cool no matter what server you play on :o

[Heebs13]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_D0wkLyCXE

[Wonkie]

No but if I go get vulak robe on a daybreak server is it still cool ?

No because you just go grab some candy after you take your turn at the loot pinata

it was never cool. it's an item in a video game.

[remen]

[QUOTE]While it sucks that there are now 6 guilds in Tov and training will happen. These guilds aren’t dumb and if an active pull is happening the guild out of place should be at fault. /QUOTE]

There aren't even 6 guilds competing in ToV, last week was AM, AG, and core/ BG alliance and it was one of the most civil weeks in a long time with tempest not having a presence

[remen]

Another unintended consequence for those that dont raid currently and think this doesn't effect them...I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of guilds stopped recruiting and accepting new applicants, so if you ever do want to get into the raid scene you'll be SOL

[Daloon]

Tempest just ended the no-petition agreement days before this was implemented

They killed their own guild and the server too

Nice fellas

[Emerald_keep]

Remen Tempest was there, they got a lot of FTEs in fact, but zero dragons. They were there nonetheless.

[Vallaen]

Everyone that has lost members to Aftermath please send me a direct message on discord. I will be trading raiders back to the guilds they came from for first picks on loot off of bosses that i want. If blood guard wants manasana back let me know

[Maliant]

Over / under if this new rule makes it through one rotation?

My guess is it won't.

[mattydef]

I didn't know killing a dragon for its loot wasn't enough to justify looting an item off it. That item is an obsolete version unless your guild won a foot race for rights to kill said dragon first /shrug

[Heebs13]

Why wouldn't you just change ToV bosses to summon at 100% health? That would solve the problem without a clunky rotation.

[enjchanter]

it was never cool. it's an item in a video game.

Fair enough,Wouldve been cool to me atleast!

[shortshot444]

Everquest being a challenging competitive game is what keeps people playing it 20 years later is it not? It seems unfortunate to strip away the highest levels of competition from the raid scene. I have 0 BIS items my argument isn't so i get more loot, its that it would shred the current state of the server.

[evilkorn]

» Welcome
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[mattydef]

Everquest being a challenging competitive game

Stopped reading right there

[Peener]

Respawn the sleeper to add more end-game content instead of making a shitty instancing similation.

[Wonkie]

Everquest being a challenging competitive game is what keeps people playing it 20 years later is it not? It seems unfortunate to strip away the highest levels of competition from the raid scene. I have 0 BIS items my argument isn't so i get more loot, its that it would shred the current state of the server.

that's a good thing

[Nommis]

https://i.imgur.com/dZHhnDo.gif
lol

[Dreenk317]

Well..... looks like I'm heading over to uthgard for some DAoC, so I can have fun with end game competition. Honestly. I'm not even in one of the top guilds. We barely broke into tov. Yet it was a ton of fun.... this just killed it. You thought this would fix your GM issues? Lol, seen you GM's in VP for the lawyerquest bonanza that zone is about to become. Along with fear, hate, every open world dragon, kael, ice well, what am I missing? Well, doesnt matter, you just increased the petitions on everything outside of ToV by at least the amount you were hoping to avoid with implementing these rules. Gonna be coth races for faydedar now.... just you watch.

[Valakut]

This kills the server

this only kills <aftermath> the server will live on

it's too bad <rustle> went gay4pay because this would of played out to their advantage

[Perseus]

:D

[Foxplay]

On a more serious note, any raid guilds that will actually crawl North because of this change? might put an app in with all my 60s to a guild that will actually play EQ and not just pull everything to zoneline...

[Fifield]

Well..... looks like I'm heading over to uthgard for some DAoC, so I can have fun with end game competition. Honestly. I'm not even in one of the top guilds. We barely broke into tov. Yet it was a ton of fun.... this just killed it. You thought this would fix your GM issues? Lol, seen you GM's in VP for the lawyerquest bonanza that zone is about to become. Along with fear, hate, every open world dragon, kael, ice well, what am I missing? Well, doesnt matter, you just increased the petitions on everything outside of ToV by at least the amount you were hoping to avoid with implementing these rules. Gonna be coth races for faydedar now.... just you watch.

new phoenix server is pretty fun, easy mode DAOC but still fun

[Detoxx]

Where we going next Fifield? Classic WoW?

[Fifield]

Where we going next Fifield? Classic WoW?

wherever the Doxx goes, I go.

We had our dominating reign at least.

[aaezil]

wherever the Doxx goes, I go.

We had our dominating reign at least.

I mean at least you guys’ pizza delivery driving jobs are still safe, right?

[Tupakk]

Where we going next Fifield? Classic WoW?

Come to P2k.

It’s a fun time.

[Fifield]

I mean at least you guys’ pizza delivery driving jobs are still safe, right?

you cant effect me with your RnF, p99 already beat anything out of me with this change lol

ps you have no idea the money that I pull in each month. just because I love p99 doesnt mean i am not successful. You actually can play more p99 the more successful you are ya baboon

[aaezil]

you cant effect me with your RnF, p99 already beat anything out of me with this change lol

ps you have no idea the money that I pull in each month. just because I love p99 doesnt mean i am not successful. You actually can play more p99 the more successful you are ya baboon

Glad i triggered you, you and your guilds tears have been delicious!

[Wonkie]

you cant effect me with your RnF, p99 already beat anything out of me with this change lol

ps you have no idea the money that I pull in each month. just because I love p99 doesnt mean i am not successful. You actually can play more p99 the more successful you are ya baboon

nice meltdown

[Fifield]

TRIIIGGGGGGERED!

[evilkorn]

Something tells me my dawg fif is going to be just fine.

[thiz1234]

Any one want to Zerg down a Rust server?

[Solist]

Why wouldn't you just change ToV bosses to summon at 100% health? That would solve the problem without a clunky rotation.

You think that would fix the problem? I got news for you friend, that just means the problem is only a challenge for those without 250 active raiders.

[Zuranthium]

LOL, Blue server. LOL, trying to call what happens there "competitive raiding".

[Ezrick]

I dont normally chime in on this server forums but this has to be the worst thing for this server. I mean, to forcefully place junk status guilds in the rotation with zero proof half of those guilds actively killed / FTE / pulled / fielded the numbers to kill any of the NToV mobs is laughable.

This is utter garbage. The only "skill" displayed by the guilds raiding ToV on P99 is racing skills. Who can get-to, FTE, pull fekkin dragons to the zone like a pack of little girls to kill it is what ToV has become. It is the farthest thing from classic it could possibly be.

There are 200 times the number of level 60 characters on P99 than there were on any live server during the Velious era. And I'm only counting the active ones.

You didn't go into ToV racing another guild. You didn't pull dragons to the zone. You didn't use 3k worth of expendables for each pull with 8 monks, 3 SKs, and four DA clerics. Seriously, killing the actual mob is the easiest part of ToV on P99. There is nothing on P99 at this time that can not be killed by 30 level 60 players. No one ever saw "train to WTOV" on live. We crawled in back in the day, but then again we didn't have 200 assholes crawling up our backs either. Oh, we didn't exactly build our own EQ server to practice it all on either. I mean, really?

There were only 125 or maybe 150 total people out of a server population of 7000 who were involved in it at all. Our guild had around 60 total players (all level 60).

My guild was called Black Company, the other was called Enlightened Dark. Strange thing is, we communicated. If they wanted ToV we killed the Dain, or Tormax or went (rarely) back to VP so we didn't get in each other's way. Heck when Luclin came out we split it up right from the start, they got Vex Thal, we got everything else. So yeah, this idea sounds a lot like classic to me.

So don't tell me, one of the few people on P99 that was doing this content on live during this timeframe that cut-throat, backstabbing competition was the norm. It absolutely was not. This is much closer to "classic" than the current situation.

[enjchanter]

LOL, Blue server. LOL, trying to call what happens there "competitive raiding".

Considering playing red full time

Need red friends

[Dreenk317]

https://imgur.com/jFsF1W6

[branamil]

There is nothing on P99 at this time that can not be killed by 30 level 60 players.

Hey no offensive but you're pretty dumb. There's at least 5 that need 50+ not including the unkillable shit

[Matalus]

Hi guys/gals

[Heebs13]

You think that would fix the problem? I got news for you friend, that just means the problem is only a challenge for those without 250 active raiders.

The problem as stated is multiple guilds were pulling bosses on top of each other at entrance.

You can't train entrance if you can't pull the boss away from his spawn.

Problem solved.

[aaezil]

The problem as stated is multiple guilds were pulling bosses on top of each other at entrance.

You can't train entrance if you can't pull the boss away from his spawn.

Problem solved.

Incorrect - guilds would still train the trash mobs on the way to the rooted dragons all over the zone instead of clearing

[DMN]

Tell me about the rabbits, George.

[Bardp1999]

BUT HEY GUYS THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH <FUCKEST> IMPLODING ON THEMSELVES, JUST SUPER AWKWARD TIMING.

[biggame1717]

Moving forward, Temple of Veeshan will be under an agreement similar to the Plane of Sky agreement that has been working very well for a long time.

How can you even compare this? You are comparing a rotation that spawns twice a day, to now a rotation that will be every 9 weeks. This does work well in plane of sky, cause the mobs respawn two times a day. Surely you have a better explanation or comparison, because this comparison might be the most ignorant I've seen in a while.

[Daloon]

It won't even be a 7 day rotation because guilds will leave shit up till the zone is fully respawned and/or for their scheduled primetime ToV raid day. Repops will push that back even more with it being FFA. As time goes on ToV will be ~2.5 guilds rotated per month lmao.

This cant be cereal.

[Leegin]

The good here is that the server will still continue even with this change and the hardcore bunch can hang up their socks.

The bad here is that this rule probably just killed off 150-200 people from the server.

[aaezil]

Imagine a few top guilds rule breaking/rule lawyering so much it leads the staff to do this...

[JayDee]

I have never been part of a big guild that regularly does ToV and was fine with the way it was. I understand that putting forth more effort and aligning yourself with the stronger team(s) is sometimes what it takes to succeed in EQ and even gasp the game of life.

Can't fault the weak and lazy players for complaining, but I think it is fair to question a GMs decision to step in and sully such a great server.

/signed a dude with no vulak loot

[Dreenk317]

so.... why does teh Aegis alliance start there time slot with the letter M? Alphabet aint that difficult braknar, they should get to go first AE comes before AF

[Fingurs]

BUT HEY GUYS THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH <FUCKEST> IMPLODING ON THEMSELVES, JUST SUPER AWKWARD TIMING.

The salt. Its amazing.

[Roboturner]

I really thought we were better than this... The reason many of us come back after burn out cycles is for our friends, but many more of us get hooked when we come back because of competition.

I’d have almost preferred we turn this into weekly arena battles for ToV or /ran 100. At least something thing requires skill, practice, and patience.

If the intention is to reduce server population due to lack of funding, then this will work. I believe a better solution could have been to put out a call for server funding. P99 brings a lot of strengths to current state MMO world, but hack and smash a dragon isn’t the challenge for most. It is the ability to navigate the rules and succeed.

We navigate rules that are designed to lightly level the playing field without becoming a carebare environment that most don’t enjoy, except for a short term reward (loot) that will get retired permanently on thier next burn-out cycle. That navigation is a part of the appeal to P99.

My kid didn’t get rewarded for finishing in 4th place in our district’s wrestling tournament and did not get to progress to states. He put in a shit ton of work and got nothing because he wasn’t good enough. Does that suck for him? Yes. Did he deserve better because he tried so hard? No. Will he level up and improve? I hope so. Should we change the rules because he is upset and might quit? No.

[Imago]

I’d have almost preferred we turn this into weekly arena battles for ToV

It's called Red.

[Mead]

I never thought I’d say this guys but








































Try red

[mattydef]

I was going to give you shit for comparing raiding on p99 to a RL sport but then saw that you were talking about 4th graders competing and it seemed appropriate.

[Fengxi]

RIP P99 , Perfect way to drop your blue server population. Now moving to Red99 actually makes sense.

[Brocode]

how can you compare Sky to ToV? is ToV respawning every 3 days now? Welcome to Simulated Instances P99, where we dont instance, but we simulate that we do.

[Ezrick]

Hey no offensive but you're pretty dumb. There's at least 5 that need 50+ not including the unkillable shit

I've done it. And I've done it with worse gear than is the norm on P99 today. It isn't done because it doesn't have to be done. The guilds were VERY guild oriented. The goal wasn't to get pixels for players, it was to get pixels for the guild. Selling or giving any loot received in a raid to an alt was the quickest way to get de-guilded. You offered it up in the guild first and only after absolutely no one else wanted it could you dispose of it. Keeping the numbers down geared everyone up for the next expansion. Having 150 or 200 in the guild would never work. It was kept small for a reason.

I recently saw a video on the Sleeper kill on Agnarr. They did it with around 25 people (maybe less, you never saw them all). That is exactly how everything was done. When Luclin came out we did the server-first kill of Seru, with 24 people. (Don't get me wrong, that bastard wiped us repeatedly before we finally succeeded, we didn't just walk in and kill him first try)

Remember, these were rather exclusive guilds. No alts, no shared toons, one character per player, and no one under level 60. They carefully limited their numbers to only the classes they needed and while for clerics like me it was a bit easier (there weren't a lot of clerics back then to start with and level 60 clerics were pretty damn rare) every other class had a ridiculous time getting in and only then when a spot came open. There was always a long list of applicants and very few were invited.

So yeah, it can be done and has been done. We only had 8 clerics total in the guild and the only time we used them all in a rotation that I can remember was during Luclin (Srra basement cycle).

What you have now is exactly the opposite. Even Aftermath will take any level 55 who comes along. Anything to boost the numbers and get more chances that someone answers the bat phone when something pops. Truth is it's almost necessary given the race to every spawn, so I'm not knocking them for it, but it's not classic. If we wanted to do ToV on Thursday instead of Wednesday, we did.

I know for sure the first time I saw a raid with more than 7 groups was after I took a six month break and came back. The new guild I was in was killing the Plane of Fire thing and there were 83 people there. I couldn't believe the number was correct.

[Sonderbeast]

how can you compare Sky to ToV? is ToV respawning every 3 days now? Welcome to Simulated Instances P99, where we dont instance, but we simulate that we do.

There is truth to this. Why go through the trouble of establishing a rotation, it's essentially an instance.

The tail end of these are going to lead to petitions over Vyemm and Vulakk on rotations that guilds can't complete ToV so the hope that this will eliminate petitions is in vain.

[Ripqozko]

http://i.imgur.com/UijKJqE.jpg

[Littul Jonn]

Few things to be said from my foxhole;

1. I've played on this server a few years and cursed AM's name for dominating the server. What did I do? I helped build and recruit one of the strongest guilds on the server to COMPETE with them it was hard work and took months of investment but it paid off. Anyone who complains about the zerg, just start working at training and recruiting your own force. Its possible to do and look at Azure Guard or Core as the modles of how to do this.

2. I think there's an inflated idea of how hungry guilds outside of AM, AG, or Core are for ToV loot. Even if you had a scheduled night to kill all the dragons you want, that takes a knowedgable pull team and a lot of time to do. I've been in other guilds in the past that on an AM/AW ban basically took the next two weeks off once AM and AW were free again, it burned our players out. Guilds that weren't hungry enough to do what I said in point #1 wont clean their plate so to speak.

3. The competition in ToV was the fun part of this server
If the big dawgs stay around, looks like nobody is getting Sev, Trak, Naggy, Vox, Fear Golems, etc again so good luck finishing epics and gearing up to kill those ToV dragons.

Interesting play after disolving Tempest and not giving AG and Core a chance to challenge AM for ToV dominance. Cest la vie...

[Mikebro]

you cant effect me with your RnF, p99 already beat anything out of me with this change lol

ps you have no idea the money that I pull in each month. just because I love p99 doesnt mean i am not successful. You actually can play more p99 the more successful you are ya baboon

Fifield makes so much money he doesnt even have to shovel his own sidewalk ;)

[Detoxx]

Ignorant ramblings.

You are aware these raid mobs are tuned differently to make them harder here right? You cannot and will not ever be able to kill AoW with 30. Keep spewing shit that you did on a server 20 years ago and compare it to what you have no clue about here though.

[seananetsberger]

Few things to be said from my foxhole;

1. I've played on this server a few years and cursed AM's name for dominating the server. What did I do? I helped build and recruit one of the strongest guilds on the server to COMPETE with them it was hard work and took months of investment but it paid off. Anyone who complains about the zerg, just start working at training and recruiting your own force. Its possible to do and look at Azure Guard or Core as the modles of how to do this.

2. I think there's an inflated idea of how hungry guilds outside of AM, AG, or Core are for ToV loot. Even if you had a scheduled night to kill all the dragons you want, that takes a knowedgable pull team and a lot of time to do. I've been in other guilds in the past that on an AM/AW ban basically took the next two weeks off once AM and AW were free again, it burned our players out. Guilds that weren't hungry enough to do what I said in point #1 wont clean their plate so to speak.

3. The competition in ToV was the fun part of this server
If the big dawgs stay around, looks like nobody is getting Sev, Trak, Naggy, Vox, Fear Golems, etc again so good luck finishing epics and gearing up to kill those ToV dragons.

Interesting play after disolving Tempest and not giving AG and Core a chance to challenge AM for ToV dominance. Cest la vie...

Core/BG* Team effort last week ty

[Roboturner]

I wish I could believe that red would solve these problems, but I’d imagine politics would ruin that too.

We should just serverwide /ran 10000 on raid loot, or better yet, just give everyone BiS... they earned it for showing up!

[Kazik]

Stopped reading right there

Of course a wall licking shaman would think this. Try moving away from the wall and bringing a raid target solo to enternece from deep inside the anus of ToV.

I’m sorry you chose to play a class that went back to scrolling your phone after slow landed.

[Kazik]

Stopped reading right there

Of course a wall licking shaman would think this. Try moving away from the wall and bringing a raid target solo to ent from deep inside the anus of ToV.

I’m sorry you chose to play a class that went back to scrolling your phone after slow landed.

[KansasComrade]

Of course a wall licking shaman would think this. Try moving away from the wall and bringing a raid target solo to ent from deep inside the anus of ToV.

I’m sorry you chose to play a class that went back to scrolling your phone after slow landed.

Post it a 3rd time, for effect.

[Phenyo]

This is the worst change to a game since runescape removed trading and the wilderness. RIP p99.

[Daloon]

Server pop already dropping since same time last week

[Nexii]

LOL ffs Braknar needs to take some time to be a better husband and father instead of playing dragon traffic cop on an emulated version of a 20 year old game. Yikes

Few things to be said from my foxhole;

1. I've played on this server a few years and cursed AM's name for dominating the server. What did I do? I helped build and recruit one of the strongest guilds on the server to COMPETE with them it was hard work and took months of investment but it paid off. Anyone who complains about the zerg, just start working at training and recruiting your own force. Its possible to do and look at Azure Guard or Core as the modles of how to do this.

2. I think there's an inflated idea of how hungry guilds outside of AM, AG, or Core are for ToV loot. Even if you had a scheduled night to kill all the dragons you want, that takes a knowedgable pull team and a lot of time to do. I've been in other guilds in the past that on an AM/AW ban basically took the next two weeks off once AM and AW were free again, it burned our players out. Guilds that weren't hungry enough to do what I said in point #1 wont clean their plate so to speak.

3. The competition in ToV was the fun part of this server
If the big dawgs stay around, looks like nobody is getting Sev, Trak, Naggy, Vox, Fear Golems, etc again so good luck finishing epics and gearing up to kill those ToV dragons.

Interesting play after disolving Tempest and not giving AG and Core a chance to challenge AM for ToV dominance. Cest la vie...

I would have thought raid petitions were at an all time low. AG/Core/AM sort out most issues on the spot or shortly after. The only disputes seem to be around what is proper recompense for infractions. At least that's my take, relations between the three guilds seem very positive lately despite being competition. Core offered us a rotting Soulwell staff and AG gave me a rotting Priceless Velium 2HB. Thanks again btw!

[Daloon]

Me thinks they made this many many days ago, considering AG+Core+AM good relationship.

[MamaKan]

What's the reasoning behind this ? I would really love to know. Do anyone actually wants this ? There are tons of emulated servers with instances or raid rotations..... Why should anyone keep playing on p99 now ?

[Detoxx]

What's the reasoning behind this ? I would really love to know. Do anyone actually wants this ? There are tons of emulated servers with instances or raid rotations..... Why should anyone keep playing on p99 now ?

No one wants to GM. No, no one wants this. A lot of guilds were on the up and up and doing well and they were robbed of all that hard work. You shouldnt.

[Prostatus]

200 Aftermath with no ToV just means 2 trackers and a CoTH mage for every raid mob.

Want a ring 10? Better submit some fire memes to DMX and maybe he'll add you to the back of the list because they are gonna lock down everything outside ToV

[Phenyo]

200 Aftermath with no ToV just means 2 trackers and a CoTH mage for every raid mob.

Want a ring 10? Better submit some fire memes to DMX and maybe he'll add you to the back of the list because they are gonna lock down everything outside ToV

Epics just got a lot harder to complete

[Hibbs]

Keep it up guys and every single mob will be on a schedule for your guild!! lol

[Prostatus]

I cant wait to see what Brak does about the Ancient Cyclops in OOT!!

[Viscere]

https://i.imgur.com/g0pVZ2N.jpg

[Ezrick]

What's the reasoning behind this ? I would really love to know. Do anyone actually wants this ? There are tons of emulated servers with instances or raid rotations..... Why should anyone keep playing on p99 now ?

EQ was designed as a cooperative PVE game. P99 has turned it into a PvP game, or perhaps, GVG.

Don't even start the crap about how competitive raiding was on live. It wasn't. I was there and anyone who feeds you that line of crap wasn't. There were only a tiny fraction of the high level players on live that exist on P99 during the Velious time frame. No one trained your ToV raid, ever, not even by accident.

So those of us who want to experience classic Everquest most certainly want to keep playing on P99. We would like to go to ToV as well. What we don't want to do is spool up our own EQ server to practice ridiculous pulls to the zone using a dozen people and thousands of plat worth expendables and deal with five other guilds all doing the same.

ToV was never designed with that in mind. It's a corruption of the content forced by overpopulation at the high-end and the absolute worst idea ever in EQ, the FTE rule.

FTE:

1) Forces guilds that want to do the content to be able to field a large enough force quickly. This leads to:
2) Huge guilds of high level players so that a raid force can be mustered 24/7 which leads to:
3) Huge numbers of players in those guilds all wanting loot.

3 simply reinforces the whole thing and makes those guilds be even more competitive to the point of sheer assholery.

My guild was one of the first (and one of only three though the third just did Hot) guilds to enter ToV on our live server. Total guild population was about 60 members. Raids were always 25-35 players, maybe 45 for a big raid. Cooperation with the other guild was essential and we never had a problem. We didn't have the mouths to feed pixels to either.

That's pretty much what ToV was designed for. At the time it was released only the top 1% of EQ players ever saw it. The release of WoW and the dumbing-down of every MMO since and the idea that raiding was for everyone gives people the impression today that ToV was made for everyone. It wasn't. Almost no one saw it except on the Internet. Probably an average of less that 300 people ever even made it across SG before Luclin was released on a live server.

On P99 ToV has become a race to completely bastardize the zone using tactics, exploits, expendables, and skullduggery to beat the other guy to tag the target first and, hopefully drag it back to your zergs at the zone line.

What? Lately I hear about CoTH mages set up in certain spots so one guild can summon a player to tag a mob just as the other puller feigns (intended to be picked up by a guildmate) in order to get a new FTE to steal the pull. I mean really? This is Everquest to you guys?

You have completely corrupted a classic game and it's a shame.

[Daloon]

Vulak pop... dont fucking touch it, it's ours.

[Wrei]

The greatest joke about all of this is that somehow it takes "skill" to zerg something. I mean tank and spank boss fights were retarded to begin with but being able to pull the boss to the ZL just sets up a new level of low.

Ezrick brings up a valid points, there might be less than 30 active players (if that) that actually played on live during the Velious era let alone participated in an actual ToV raid. Yet all these clowns talk mad shit as if their accomplishment here actually means anything. People back on live didn't down a boss the moment it popped because internet was in its infancy. They didn't have youtube videos or detailed guides that actually told you where to unzip your pants and put your dick in. The live pioneers actually "figured" shit out for all the zerg mongloids to emulate like mindless lemmings all the while using voip software (which also wasn't available back in the day).

People who cry about competitive integrity are full of shit because if they actually had any, they'd move their entire guild to Red and actually compete. Nope, can't have that though, they just want their pixels the easy way by recruiting half the player base into their guild and just mindlessly answering the batphone to mow down X target.

People who cry about making 5+ alt guilds.. seriously go for it. What do you think your guild is comprised of? There's prob less than 10 people that know how to wipe their butt on their own like a big boy, about 30 people that needs to be told what brand to use and how they need to wipe outwards and about 400+ that needs a youtube video explaining how to unzip their pants before wiping their ass. If people think that a zerg force divided into neat little 45 man guilds will actually do anything even remotely challenging (even in this ez raid mode era), we'd love to see it done.

Raid rules have evolved a LOT since the server opened, who is to say it won't change again by next year? So stop crying already. Make an alt guild of your core members that aren't completely braindead and asked to be put in rotation, or better yet actually go compete on Red. I'm sure those guys are crying tears of joy at the prospect of conning people to try their server, but to actually have a legit raiding guild come over would have them jizz their pants. That is only if they still remain top dog, cause if the newcomers shit on their cereal there would be 10 more drama threads from Red people about the scums of Blue that switched over. As it is, I highly doubt ANY raiding guild has the skill or the balls to go over there and actually compete. So cry about GM enforced rules, just don't make us laugh about competitive integrity.

[Detoxx]

EQ was designed as a cooperative PVE game. P99 has turned it into a PvP game, or perhaps, GVG.

Don't even start the crap about how competitive raiding was on live. It wasn't. I was there and anyone who feeds you that line of crap wasn't. There were only a tiny fraction of the high level players on live that exist on P99 during the Velious time frame. No one trained your ToV raid, ever, not even by accident.

So those of us who want to experience classic Everquest most certainly want to keep playing on P99. We would like to go to ToV as well. What we don't want to do is spool up our own EQ server to practice ridiculous pulls to the zone using a dozen people and thousands of plat worth expendables and deal with five other guilds all doing the same.

ToV was never designed with that in mind. It's a corruption of the content forced by overpopulation at the high-end and the absolute worst idea ever in EQ, the FTE rule.

FTE:

1) Forces guilds that want to do the content to be able to field a large enough force quickly. This leads to:
2) Huge guilds of high level players so that a raid force can be mustered 24/7 which leads to:
3) Huge numbers of players in those guilds all wanting loot.

3 simply reinforces the whole thing and makes those guilds be even more competitive to the point of sheer assholery.

My guild was one of the first (and one of only three though the third just did Hot) guilds to enter ToV on our live server. Total guild population was about 60 members. Raids were always 25-35 players, maybe 45 for a big raid. Cooperation with the other guild was essential and we never had a problem. We didn't have the mouths to feed pixels to either.

That's pretty much what ToV was designed for. At the time it was released only the top 1% of EQ players ever saw it. The release of WoW and the dumbing-down of every MMO since and the idea that raiding was for everyone gives people the impression today that ToV was made for everyone. It wasn't. Almost no one saw it except on the Internet. Probably an average of less that 300 people ever even made it across SG before Luclin was released on a live server.

On P99 ToV has become a race to completely bastardize the zone using tactics, exploits, expendables, and skullduggery to beat the other guy to tag the target first and, hopefully drag it back to your zergs at the zone line.

What? Lately I hear about CoTH mages set up in certain spots so one guild can summon a player to tag a mob just as the other puller feigns (intended to be picked up by a guildmate) in order to get a new FTE to steal the pull. I mean really? This is Everquest to you guys?

You have completely corrupted a classic game and it's a shame.

We get it bro, you're guild was the best on live and never did anything on a completely different game 20 years ago. Definitely a viable tactic to, in one part of your post, claim live guilds never competed but base your entire argument on the basis of said same live guilds from 20 years ago.

I'm sold, pack it up boys.

[Foxplay]

EQ was designed as a cooperative PVE game. P99 has turned it into a PvP game, or perhaps, GVG.

Don't even start the crap about how competitive raiding was on live. It wasn't. I was there and anyone who feeds you that line of crap wasn't. There were only a tiny fraction of the high level players on live that exist on P99 during the Velious time frame. No one trained your ToV raid, ever, not even by accident.

So those of us who want to experience classic Everquest most certainly want to keep playing on P99. We would like to go to ToV as well. What we don't want to do is spool up our own EQ server to practice ridiculous pulls to the zone using a dozen people and thousands of plat worth expendables and deal with five other guilds all doing the same.

ToV was never designed with that in mind. It's a corruption of the content forced by overpopulation at the high-end and the absolute worst idea ever in EQ, the FTE rule.

FTE:

1) Forces guilds that want to do the content to be able to field a large enough force quickly. This leads to:
2) Huge guilds of high level players so that a raid force can be mustered 24/7 which leads to:
3) Huge numbers of players in those guilds all wanting loot.

3 simply reinforces the whole thing and makes those guilds be even more competitive to the point of sheer assholery.

My guild was one of the first (and one of only three though the third just did Hot) guilds to enter ToV on our live server. Total guild population was about 60 members. Raids were always 25-35 players, maybe 45 for a big raid. Cooperation with the other guild was essential and we never had a problem. We didn't have the mouths to feed pixels to either.

That's pretty much what ToV was designed for. At the time it was released only the top 1% of EQ players ever saw it. The release of WoW and the dumbing-down of every MMO since and the idea that raiding was for everyone gives people the impression today that ToV was made for everyone. It wasn't. Almost no one saw it except on the Internet. Probably an average of less that 300 people ever even made it across SG before Luclin was released on a live server.

On P99 ToV has become a race to completely bastardize the zone using tactics, exploits, expendables, and skullduggery to beat the other guy to tag the target first and, hopefully drag it back to your zergs at the zone line.

What? Lately I hear about CoTH mages set up in certain spots so one guild can summon a player to tag a mob just as the other puller feigns (intended to be picked up by a guildmate) in order to get a new FTE to steal the pull. I mean really? This is Everquest to you guys?

You have completely corrupted a classic game and it's a shame.

#Rootthedragons

Braknar didn't go far enough. Enforce a rotation and root them at the same time. See how many stick around when they can't pull their pixels to the zone in

[Zal22]

Many Wives had a sigh of relief!




EQ addicted husbands ended the struggle.



The Wives had no need to divorce when said husband(s) took their own life.

[Nixtar]

What's the reasoning behind this ? I would really love to know. Do anyone actually wants this ? There are tons of emulated servers with instances or raid rotations..... Why should anyone keep playing on p99 now ?

The manchildren of P99 broke the staff. They forgot this is a free service and felt entitled to the GMs time and effort. Every shitty behavior justified with "BUT MUH COMPETITION!" I have very little doubt these high-end guilds will have plenty of players who are now going to line up to monopolize trivial content. Cause that's the mentality of these players, "if I can't get what I want, no one will!"

So why P99? How about every single activity/content you can consume outside of ToV? Try the ALS playstyle/mentality and enjoy classic in a classic manner without participating in a broken economy. I mean, we have this classic version of EQ and most seem to do their best to avoid it in order to participate in the LEAST classic activity on P99, i.e. the raid scene.

What if you feel like there's nothing left to do? MOVE ON.

[Ezrick]

Vulak pop... dont fucking touch it, it's ours.

If that was the agreement between the two guilds, absolutely.

See how easy that is if you stick to an agreement and don't get greedy?

Of course you don't. You've never played EQ without the greed of 300 guild members screaming for loot.

A rotation like this is just a server-management enforcement of the rules we made among ourselves back in the day. It's a heck of a lot more "classic" than FTE ever had a hope of being.

[Ezrick]

We get it bro, you're guild was the best on live and never did anything on a completely different game 20 years ago. Definitely a viable tactic to, in one part of your post, claim live guilds never competed but base your entire argument on the basis of said same live guilds from 20 years ago.

I'm sold, pack it up boys.

The problem is that it's not a completely different game. As a matter of fact a lot of effort has gone into making it as close to the 20 year-old game as possible.

The game is the same, it's the players and the circumstances that are different. Most notably the time-line is so stretched there are way too many high level players for the content.

What I get fed up with is people claiming that this cutthroat behavior we see on P99 is "classic". I suppose, if they had delayed the Luclin launch by, say, five years, it could have been, but it wasn't. Considering the P99 raiding scene to in anyway resemble live is a gross misrepresentation.

[Zal22]

Vulak pop... dont fucking touch it, it's ours.

Ur are close to the most retardeds and angry persons ever. I speaker in the simple way so you can understand. How many guilds have you beens a white knight foor? Huur

[Daloon]

Ur are close to the most retardeds and angry persons ever.

:confused:

[Foxplay]

Bias is easier to read on this thread than the bias on Fox news

[Zal22]

:confused:

Huur

[Ruhtar]

At the very least, this change has shown us that AM has no shortage of loud and irritable members.

Having pixels taken from you stings a thousand times worse than receiving that dreaded call from family or friends, who are wondering if you're still alive.

[azeth]

Congrats to all who can all now crawl ToV as was intended. Was done one time ever on this server... 4 hours after Velious premiered.

[Ravager]

The last time there was a rotation on this server, the population tripled. Incoming dead server indeed.

[Fifield]

Woke up. This still isn't a dream lol

For me it isn't about the pixels. All of us at am love the fact that core and Ag were getting dragons and Beating us at getting dragons too. This game was all about the rush of a pull and all that comes with it. Ever since I started playing its been that way.

I don't think the server is going anywhere. I don't agree with it because I like the live pulls. So I wish p99 all the success in its new rotation era. It's probably only a matter of time before the rest of the raid targets get added?

[Dithien]

Hope everyone who celebrated when Sirken got taken down a notch is happy. He was the only one who gave a damn about the raid scene.

[Ruhtar]

This game was all about the rush of a pull and all that comes with it. Ever since I started playing its been that way.

So it was a rush for like a handful of people who did the pull and the rest were jerking it at ent waiting for pixels? Sounds legit.

I welcome the server boost this shall bring.

[Zuranthium]

The greatest joke about all of this is that somehow it takes "skill" to zerg something. I mean tank and spank boss fights were retarded to begin with but being able to pull the boss to the ZL just sets up a new level of low.

There might be less than 30 active players (if that) that actually played on live during the Velious era, let alone participated in an actual ToV raid. Yet all these clowns talk mad shit as if their accomplishment here actually means anything. People back on live didn't down a boss the moment it popped, because internet was in its infancy. They didn't have youtube videos or detailed guides that actually told you where to unzip your pants and put your dick in. The live pioneers actually "figured" shit out for all the zerg mongloids to emulate like mindless lemmings, all the while using voip software (which also wasn't available back in the day).

People who cry about competitive integrity are full of shit because if they actually had any, they'd move their entire guild to Red and actually compete. Nope, can't have that though, they just want their pixels the easy way by recruiting half the player base into their guild and just mindlessly answering the batphone to mow down X target.

Exactly. Calling Blue99 "competitive raiding" is like throwing a giant pile of balls into a basketball hoop from 1 foot away and then calling yourself a "professional athlete". Get real, that's not skill, it's just a demonstration of spending a ton of time doing something tedious.

#Rootthedragons

Also this. It's completely stupid that Dragons somehow fit through tiny doors. People should have to fight them in their lair.

[Fifield]

So it was a rush for like a handful of people who did the pull and the rest were jerking it at ent waiting for pixels? Sounds legit.

I welcome the server boost this shall bring.

While I agree not everyone on this server has the live pull mentality. It was alot more then just the pull team that likes live pulls. It takes an entire guild working together to get dragons. Now that teamwork is gone and that's what I am going to miss.

[Kust]

I guess i keep my WoW subs i bit longer if we cant do shit for months.

[Mytral]

Bias is easier to read on this thread than the bias on Fox news

Because Fox News is the only bias media out there.....

[Ravager]

While I agree not everyone on this server has the live pull mentality. It was alot more then just the pull team that likes live pulls. It takes an entire guild working together to get dragons. Now that teamwork is gone and that's what I am going to miss.
There exists a server where teamwork and cutthroat competition for dragons is the whole point...

[Fifield]

I would love to join ya on red but eq PvP is awful.

Which is why there are 20 people playing there.

[Fifield]

Daoc PvP isn't bad though. And pheonix server just released =)

[Trelaboon]

This just means guilds like AM/Core/AG are gonna dominate “less important” content. It means lower tier guilds/alliances just traded their vindi loot and Ring 10’s every week for a chance at Vulak loot once every 3 months. This serves to benefit no one, and will easily chop the servers active player base in half.

[FatherSioux]

I guess i keep my WoW subs i bit longer if we cant do shit for months.

Change your perspective, think of all the wasted time you could now use productively. Read a book, learn a skill. P99 raid scene is saturated with unfulfilled potential. Seize the carp

[Baylan295]

This just means guilds like AM/Core/AG are gonna dominate “less important” content. It means lower tier guilds/alliances just traded their vindi loot and Ring 10’s every week for a chance at Vulak loot once every 3 months. This serves to benefit no one, and will easily chop the servers active player base in half.

What content do they not already shit on everyone for? Talendor?

[Fifield]

Below is the list for the ToV agreement (for fairness it will simply go in alphabetical order). If you wish to have your guild or alliance added to the list, please send a private message to Braknar here on the Project 1999 forums. If you are unable to kill ToV dragons, then you will be removed from the list. The staff will step in and intervene as needed if guilds or groups are found abusing this system. It is ok to team up with guilds that do not have a slot, but guilds will not be allowed to “double dip”. If two guilds with spots want to team up, then they will only have one spot on the list which will be shared. If a guild does not make an attempt within 7 days, they will be skipped and risk losing their spot. In the event of an earthquake/simpop, ToV will be FFA until the following cycle. This does not apply to HoT.

go on....

[Ravager]

I would love to join ya on red but eq PvP is awful.

Which is why there are 20 people playing there.
EQ PvP is awful, but you espouse a watered-down version of it?

[Heebs13]

Incorrect - guilds would still train the trash mobs on the way to the rooted dragons all over the zone instead of clearing

multiple guilds setting up on top of each other... pulling AEing dragons on top of each other, and on more than one occasion training each other wiping out multiple guilds... competing for the same target and trying to pull it to and fight it in the same spot, problems are unavoidable and it takes the fun out of the end game.

Do you see how these two things are different? Pulling the trash mobs out of the way is not the same as pulling an aoeing raid boss into another guild. Also, any guild that pulled all the trash mobs out of the way would basically be opening up the path for other guilds to get the FTE... Also the trash mobs will path back so your strategy would be a horrible one that would wipe you and your competition, so enjoy that ban I guess?

If people really can't understand how making the boss mobs summon at 100% HP would prevent the current pull strategies in ToV, we could just make it really simple and put in a rule that says no training at all allowed in ToV. Yeah, you'd have to actually play everquest and kill mobs to get to your precious dragon pixels, but I bet it would be a lot less stupid than a forced rotation.

[xplit871]

This could maybe work if it was a 3 guild rotation, allowing 8-10 guilds on the list, and the ability to wait for a full repop will extend guilds turns out to possible 12+ weeks. And on top of that, your now moving the tov issue to every other target out there because no one will be aloud in tov minus one guild.

This is insanely stupid. Bring back warders, fuck bring out luclin, cause this is going to kill raiding on this server for many guilds.

[Mblake1981]

Daoc PvP isn't bad though. And pheonix server just released =)

Shadowbane was a better PVP MMO. You can't siege a rival guilds town in DAoC.

My Irekei (https://shadowbaneemulator.com/page.php?d=4&n=Irekei) Assasin/Blood Prophet says hello!

[Shinko]

I love how few people are so salty and saying they are going to quit

[xplit871]

P99 blue has become the digital worlds Venezuela. RIP guys

[Allishia]

I would vote for 1 week rotation guilds, 1 week competitive guilds, alternate, fair for all =P

[YendorLootmonkey]

This is now a <Safe Space> recruiting thread for all those who wish to remain after the hardcore players from your guilds ragequit the server.

[Pheer]

does all this mean kelz's dkp signing bonus is gonna take a hit?

[Mickets]

Oh we know, and it's gonna suck for the rest of ya'll

LOL watch out, level 30s camping the ghoul assassin, aftermath is salty as fuck and they are comin for that ass!

[Troxx]

On the one hand I find it amusing that the very first time a guild I’m in competes and gets a majority of the ToV mobs a rotation locking us to every 9th cycle is instituted. That is somewhat lame.

On the other hand I now may not have to ever again experience the “joys” of camping out my main in ToV (or staring at a wall) not getting to do anything actually fun for hours/days on end for the *Chance* to spend a few minutes fighting a dragon for pixels if and only if we score FTE and don’t fumble the pull. This was not exactly a fun experience.

Scheduled ToV every 9 weeks where we can plan our lives around life and free up our time to do other things in EQ? This isn’t entirely bad. Icing on the cake? The neckbeards used to monopolizing content are livid.

[Nikkanu]

does all this mean kelz's dkp signing bonus is gonna take a hit?

Yes, his 0 dkp bonus is going to be lowered to 0.

[Troxx]

And blood guard / core have been an alliance for a while but they each get their own slot now?

Blood guard can easily field a force more than strong enough to kill anything our alliance kills. We just have enough people with actual jobs and commitments to not reliably field said force reliably 24 hours a day via bat phone while individual ToV mobs are in their windows of variance. The answer under the old way? If we have a buddy guild in a similar circumstance at 2am, 10am, 2pm or 11pm when a mob actually spawns, we’ll buddy up.

[Supreme]

just change spawn timers from 7 days to 3 days. So much will be up (and in window) it will make P99 into a raiding bonanza!

[aaezil]

Lol all the casual am players are crying cause their 7 day weekly free loot conveyor belt is stopping and the hard core addicts that lock other guilds out of content because dealing with them in tov is such a nightmare are crying as well. Loot pinatas indeed

[Trelaboon]

What content do they not already shit on everyone for? Talendor?

Is this a serious question? Casuals have been getting loads of VP, which will become the new poopsock instead of ToV. So good luck getting a Warrior epic in a casual guild, since the top guilds are gonna fight tooth and nail for Hoshkar/Severilous again (something we currently don’t even bother with half the time). Good luck getting a Wizard epic, because just like Kunark, VS will be locked down by the top guilds. How many times has a casual guild gotten a ring war because top guilds are locked into ToV windows for 2+ days. Not anymore....the top guilds will sit in GD waiting to FTE since we don’t have anything else to do. How many casual guilds get fear golems, because those top guilds don’t even bother unless CT pops. Same with ST....AM/Core/AG will keep toons parked and ready for golems at all times.

This agreement basically turns every other piece of content into a giant poopsock, in exchange for letting smaller guilds have a chance at ToV loot 3-4 times a year. This is the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen.

[aaezil]

Trelaboon’s post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvY1kmYpboQ

[Dillusional]

"In the event of an earthquake/simpop, ToV will be FFA until the following cycle. This does not apply to HoT."

If it's FFA during an earthquake with between 1-3 earthquakes a month HOW DOES THIS SOLVE ANY OF THE THINGS BRKANAR SAW AS ISSUES. An 8 way rotation is going to stretch out several months lol. Much longer than the 8 weeks people seem to think it's going to take. Maybe you'll get your rotation shot once every 90 days ...maybe.... This isn't sky spawning twice a day, these are 7 days spawns with +/-8 hours variance..

Also I find his statement about HoT at the end of the last paragraph very ambiguous. Did he mean to say HoT is not part of the rotation (in which case, does that include Dozekar?) Or does he mean HoT is not FFA during an earthquake......

[Heebs13]

"In the event of an earthquake/simpop, ToV will be FFA until the following cycle. This does not apply to HoT."

If it's FFA during an earthquake with between 1-3 earthquakes a month HOW DOES THIS SOLVE ANY OF THE THINGS BRKANAR SAW AS ISSUES. An 8 way rotation is going to stretch out several months lol. Much longer than the 8 weeks people seem to think it's going to take. Maybe you'll get your rotation shot once every 90 days ...maybe.... This isn't sky spawning twice a day, these are 7 days spawns with +/-8 hours variance..

Also I find his statement about HoT at the end of the last paragraph very ambiguous. Did he mean to say HoT is not part of the rotation (in which case, does that include Dozekar?) Or does he mean HoT is not FFA during an earthquake......

I'm pretty certain Braknar just went on a bender and made that post. It isn't thought through at all and I refuse to believe someone in charge of the server could be that short-sighted while sober.

[Fifield]

For as many people that hate this change like myself, there are just as many who will take this change as a good thing and will continue to play here.

I am secretly hoping this is all for a new server they are launching

[E-Queue]

It seems like people are ignoring that eathquakes and simulated repops are full FFA. The main guilds will get fewer ToV dragons, but the competition isn't completely dead. If they could somehow automate earthquakes to occur on average once every two weeks (small chance on every server tick), I think this could work out all right.

I dunno, I haven't raided in years, so my opinion ain't worth much.

[E-Queue]

Nevermind, people just started talking about it.

[Trelaboon]

Trelaboon’s post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvY1kmYpboQ

Lol I’m not even raging. I’m going to enjoy watching this blow up in everyone’s face. Lol

How anyone thinks rotating one piece of content helps with petitions is beyond me. The problem will still exist, it’s just gonna exist in a different zone

[Mblake1981]

This is insanely stupid. Bring back warders, fuck bring out luclin, cause this is going to kill raiding on this server for many guilds.

Let's automate raiding, yeah think about it. We can remove the body sacks who just click a couple buttons. We will then have a more streamlined loot process.

Should have learned to code.

[Quizlop]

Is this a serious question? Casuals have been getting loads of VP, which will become the new poopsock instead of ToV. So good luck getting a Warrior epic in a casual guild, since the top guilds are gonna fight tooth and nail for Hoshkar/Severilous again (something we currently don’t even bother with half the time). Good luck getting a Wizard epic, because just like Kunark, VS will be locked down by the top guilds. How many times has a casual guild gotten a ring war because top guilds are locked into ToV windows for 2+ days. Not anymore....the top guilds will sit in GD waiting to FTE since we don’t have anything else to do. How many casual guilds get fear golems, because those top guilds don’t even bother unless CT pops. Same with ST....AM/Core/AG will keep toons parked and ready for golems at all times.

This agreement basically turns every other piece of content into a giant poopsock, in exchange for letting smaller guilds have a chance at ToV loot 3-4 times a year. This is the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen.

TLDR: Top-Level guilds are still going to poopsock, because everybody who raids on this server is so diseased that they can't comprehend the idea of living a regular life where they don't stare at walls for hours on end, or wake up at 3am on a weekday to kill a virtual dragon. Even if it means they're getting pixels that they didn't really want in the first place.

[Rewzer]

Honestly kind of excited the dkp farming 24/7 no life's have little to do. The competition on this server has been dead for a long time. For a while it has only been about a handful of individuals getting most of the dkp for standing on a line pretending to be more important than the people who actually kill the dragons.

[torroba]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIZbGSXeWWE

[aaezil]

You aren't cool or good or skilled because you have no life and can race/kite around/kill an easy to kill dragon at 3 am on a workday. That actually makes you quite deranged. Hopefully this change will set you free, at least a bit.

[arsenalpow]

Lol

[Heebs13]

You aren't cool or good or skilled because you have no life and can race/kite around/kill an easy to kill dragon at 3 am on a workday. That actually makes you quite deranged. Hopefully this change will set you free, at least a bit.

Everyone has hobbies. With these guys it's just P99. Racing to get FTE and seeing the pixels drop gives them their daily dopamine hit. Maybe now they'll take up something healthier, like gambling.

[GinnasP99]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY52Zsg-KVI&t=260s

[Ruhtar]

Everyone has hobbies. With these guys it's just P99. Racing to get FTE and seeing the pixels drop gives them their daily dopamine hit. Maybe now they'll take up something healthier, like gambling.

Everyone has hobbies.

hobbies

K

[Kindred_Redline]

How hard would it be to instance the zone? Because that's what they should do at this point.

[Runyan]

Leave an open world tov for competitiveness. Give each guild an instance that resets every 7 days.

[arsenalpow]

If only there was a server that did something like that

[Baylan295]

Is this a serious question? Casuals have been getting loads of VP, which will become the new poopsock instead of ToV. So good luck getting a Warrior epic in a casual guild, since the top guilds are gonna fight tooth and nail for Hoshkar/Severilous again (something we currently don’t even bother with half the time). Good luck getting a Wizard epic, because just like Kunark, VS will be locked down by the top guilds. How many times has a casual guild gotten a ring war because top guilds are locked into ToV windows for 2+ days. Not anymore....the top guilds will sit in GD waiting to FTE since we don’t have anything else to do. How many casual guilds get fear golems, because those top guilds don’t even bother unless CT pops. Same with ST....AM/Core/AG will keep toons parked and ready for golems at all times.

This agreement basically turns every other piece of content into a giant poopsock, in exchange for letting smaller guilds have a chance at ToV loot 3-4 times a year. This is the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen.

First, define casuals, and second, let me know which mobs the casuals got last cycle. Vindi doesn’t count.

[Mendo]

I feel bad for AG/core/BG. These guilds have prepared themselves and were ready to step in and compete. All that hard work down the drain. I was honestly excited to see how this would all play out.

The best thing about everquest was the idea that players had to interact and figure things out in this elf world. When that is taken away, it's just like any other game where you kill a monster to loot some loot.

[arsenalpow]

Just remove all the rules. Trains and DPS races. Just play until you hate yourselves so you can cure your additictions.

[Ruhtar]

I feel bad for AG/core/BG. These guilds have prepared themselves and were ready to step in and compete. All that hard work down the drain. I was honestly excited to see how this would all play out.

Dude...SAME. I definitely don't care about me or my guild and how they're affected by this, but that healthy competition that was coming down the pipeline from these up and coming guilds is really disheartening.

it's just like any other game where you kill a monster to loot some loot.

Welcome to Everquest! Please enjoy your stay.

[jaellman]

One of the MOST classic parts of EQ is the hatred for the guilds who can get the stuff you can't.... Why take that away?

[Dreenk317]

I love how all the people screaming about how rotating end game raid targets like ToV was classic on their server, and the rotations worked great. Because I'm sure they did on servers where there were two, maybe three guilds in said rotations. Here, where the guilds in rotation will see ToV once every 4 months..... it's not going to work as well.....

[Trelaboon]

First, define casuals, and second, let me know which mobs the casuals got last cycle. Vindi doesn’t count.

Vindi definitely counts. As well as fear golems, VS, Sevirilous and VP. Casuals are able to compete on all of those. Not anymore though ladies and gentlemen.

[Trelaboon]

And casuals meaning people who don’t have the time or numbers to set up multiple hour long RTE teams for top end loot. Aka AEGIS

[Triiz]

Imagine one day the entire trajectory of your life is changed in a moment...by a GM post on the forum for a 20 year old game.

Lol at all the "We're so addicted to this game don't you dare think we might play less, we'll just be killing 32k hp dragons with 200 people."