ugh... ToV rotation wtf??

[Baylan295]

Vindi definitely counts. As well as fear golems, VS, Sevirilous and VP. Casuals are able to compete on all of those. Not anymore though ladies and gentlemen.

Vindi isn’t a raid mob.

Who are the casuals?

What raid mobs did casuals get last cycle?

[Trelaboon]

I didn’t say vindi was a raid mob, but it’s a source of great loot that’s gonna be socked to hell.

[Fifield]

updated my sig to better reflect the new age of p99

[Rang]

HEY! Don't you DARE disrespect these LEGENDS, dawg!

Imagine one day the entire trajectory of your life is changed in a moment...by a GM post on the forum for a 20 year old game.

Lol at all the "We're so addicted to this game don't you dare think we might play less, we'll just be killing 32k hp dragons with 200 people."

[TripleLegit]

updated my sig to better reflect the new age of p99

LOL hilarious

[Rang]

Wrong quote! I'll be at orc highway hmu

The fact that you posted this tells me you don't know. It's cool. I hope levelling at orc highway is fun for you.

But yes. There are some legendary pull team members at the top end. People who made mind blowing plays, week after week, in what was a remarkably awesome raid scene.

[jaellman]

Let's just get rid of guild tags entirely, won't that solve the problem?

[TripleLegit]

Hey veteran players, was there this much of an upset when they changed the raid scene to (or from) the class system? Or is this legit going to kill the entire server like everyone claims?

[TripleLegit]

Let's just get rid of guild tags entirely, won't that solve the problem?

That would be pretty hilarious actually.

[Wonkie]

updated my sig to better reflect the new age of p99

https://i.imgur.com/iFlPi9S.gif

[Molitoth]

Hey veteran players, was there this much of an upset when they changed the raid scene to (or from) the class system? Or is this legit going to kill the entire server like everyone claims?

The raid scene fuckery has been around since 2010 with Inglorious Basterds vs Dark Ascension vs TMO vs xxxxx.

Funny thing is, the server has never died and seems to be more popular now than ever.
No matter what happens, people keep playing.

[Fifield]

Hey veteran players, was there this much of an upset when they changed the raid scene to (or from) the class system? Or is this legit going to kill the entire server like everyone claims?

server will be fine, just will be different, good or bad is all perspective

[YendorLootmonkey]

Vindi definitely counts. As well as fear golems, VS, Sevirilous and VP. Casuals are able to compete on all of those. Not anymore though ladies and gentlemen.

See, you still haven't learned anything from this. The sociopaths will piss off the GMs fighting over those non-TOV targets too, and soon your guild will have to file form P99-3C to get put on a list six weeks out to have your chance at killing any raid targets at all.

Then you guys will shake your clenched fists in the air and autistically scream "Oh, you liked that Emperor Crush loot?! Not anymore though ladies and gentlemen!!!!" as you spray spit everywhere and it dribbles down your unkempt neckbeards while self-proclaim legends fight for FTE in Crushbone, the last semblance of "competition" that will exist for them.

It's all a downward spiral from here, really.

[bigjeff100]

Vindi definitely counts. As well as fear golems, VS, Sevirilous and VP. Casuals are able to compete on all of those. Not anymore though ladies and gentlemen.

A true casual doesn't have the time for any of these.. Casuals these days don't really seem to be casuals...

I am the true definition of casual-

*2-3 hours of game time a week
*Never stepped foot in any of those ToV/VP/Sleeper's Tomb, would love to see those *zones one day though.
*Never been to PoG
*Never done anything more than a break in to PoF
*Never seen any of the end game gods
*Managed to get 1 toon to 60, and get his epic
*My entire playtime consists of helping newbs, camping random stuff for fun, or exploring zones i've yet to see.

People who have any time to kill dragons of any kind need to find a new name for themselves. Casuals by todays standards have way too much time to play!

[Jarnauga]

Full reset the server with a real classic timeline

I'd play tjis

[YendorLootmonkey]

A true casual doesn't have the time for any of these.. Casuals these days don't really seem to be casuals...

I am the true definition of casual-

*2-3 hours of game time a week
*Never stepped foot in any of those ToV/VP/Sleeper's Tomb, would love to see those *zones one day though.
*Never been to PoG
*Never done anything more than a break in to PoF
*Never seen any of the end game gods
*Managed to get 1 toon to 60, and get his epic
*My entire playtime consists of helping newbs, camping random stuff for fun, or exploring zones i've yet to see.

People who have any time to kill dragons of any kind need to find a new name for themselves. Casuals by todays standards have way too much time to play!

And the sad state of this server is that there exists a group of sociopaths that vehemently believe that your level of time commitment precludes you from deserving raid loot, and will go to great lengths (poopsocking, 2am batphones, petitionquest, etc.) to enforce that to the best of their ability.

[Mikebro]

For as many people that hate this change like myself, there are just as many who will take this change as a good thing and will continue to play here.

I am secretly hoping this is all for a new server they are launching

Thanks for lending us a someone to take DTs 😉

[Mikebro]

Quite wrong fifield... like the new raid rules... I failed.

[Fifield]

At least my alts are public, imagine how many alts out there that are cross guilded.

That rogue that never talks in ts? that might be me!

[Mikebro]

At least my alts are public, imagine how many alts out there that are cross guilded.

That rogue that never talks in ts? that might be me!

Ohhhh you're Dleifif!

How did I miss that...

[Mikebro]

Also if you see Ackack in DAoC that's me...

[Fifield]

its kinda fucked up,

there is no rule against being in 2 guilds, you just cant take up 2 slots if your guild is teaming to clear your cycle.

If it became public knowledge that you were in multiple guilds they would probably kick you and foil your plans

[LazyHydras]

I could see this new rule being subject to a lot of tomfoolery. Better have an FFA than this crap where people devise tactics to successfully circumvent the rule and get what they want anyway.

[fan D]

if you are a human being who enjoys staring at the wall for 16 hours, multiple times a week, for the chance to auto attack some dragon that drops loot that will not help you or your guild progress, something is wrong with you.

all of the content was cleared on day 1 of release, you don't need any of these items. there is nothing to do with the items. auto attacking and ch rotations are not fun.

[Mikebro]

its kinda fucked up,

there is no rule against being in 2 guilds, you just cant take up 2 slots if your guild is teaming to clear your cycle.

If it became public knowledge that you were in multiple guilds they would probably kick you and foil your plans

Know what will make us feel better?

K9 headshots eeee eeee eeee

[aaezil]

And the sad state of this server is that there exists a group of sociopaths that vehemently believe that your level of time commitment precludes you from deserving raid loot, and will go to great lengths (poopsocking, 2am batphones, petitionquest, etc.) to enforce that to the best of their ability.

[Vianna]

Braknar rule that is interesting.

If a guild does not make an attempt within 7 days, they will be skipped and risk losing their spot.

That comes with a 3 day limit after first dragon death to clear all of ToV.

Spread the windows out over 7 days. Put the least desirable mobs at the start of the window and the most prized at the end.

Since a guild only has 7 days to kill a mob and 3 days after the first death to clear ToV this forces them to wait until Vulak and Dozekar spawns before they start killing mobs or risk them falling outside the 3 day window to clear all of ToV.

Only thing inside the rules you guys can do to have it going FFA on inexperienced guilds week.

[Kye1709]

Being able to log in for a batphone and kill a dragon >5 minutes in some instances with your elf pals is the very definition of casual. Yes, there are those socking the shit out of targets to make this a reality, but thats their prerogative and they should be rewarded for the time spent no matter what you may think of their life choices/how they spend their time.

The argument that there were never FTE races, train ups, etc didn't exist in 99 and thus shouldn't be a thing now is laughable at best. Game mechanics can be controlled. How people interact with said mechanics on a progression locked server however, cannot. Obviously the way the game is played will evolve over time, especially with the level of knowledge regarding the aforementioned being so readily available.

This is a free to play server and nothing is owed to anyone. That said, outside of enforcing things like boxing and RMT and the like, GMs should have zero involvement. Let the player base self regulate and end the petition quest that brought us to this thread in the first place.

[Fifield]

we get it dude, your not a poopsocker

[BallzDeep]

The fucking democrats won boys.

[ibiza]

This is a free to play server and nothing is owed to anyone. That said, outside of enforcing things like boxing and RMT and the like, GMs should have zero involvement. Let the player base self regulate and end the petition quest that brought us to this thread in the first place.


wouldn't that be nice! they love to see nerds suffer though.

[Wonkie]

Being able to log in for a batphone and kill a dragon >5 minutes in some instances with your elf pals is the very definition of casual. Yes, there are those socking the shit out of targets to make this a reality, but thats their prerogative and they should be rewarded for the time spent no matter what you may think of their life choices/how they spend their time.

The argument that there were never FTE races, train ups, etc didn't exist in 99 and thus shouldn't be a thing now is laughable at best. Game mechanics can be controlled. How people interact with said mechanics on a progression locked server however, cannot. Obviously the way the game is played will evolve over time, especially with the level of knowledge regarding the aforementioned being so readily available.

This is a free to play server and nothing is owed to anyone. That said, outside of enforcing things like boxing and RMT and the like, GMs should have zero involvement. Let the player base self regulate and end the petition quest that brought us to this thread in the first place.

i like the part where you go from pro-casual to sockers deserve to be rewarded. pick one, jerk.

[Kye1709]

i like the part where you go from pro-casual to sockers deserve to be rewarded. pick one, jerk.

Lol, I'm pro server where people can play however they wish as the game exists without GM interference :D

[Ruhtar]

Yes, there are those socking the shit out of targets to make this a reality, but thats their prerogative and they should be rewarded for the time spent no matter what you may think of their life choices/how they spend their time.

This is a free to play server and nothing is owed to anyone.

GMs should have zero involvement.

What a wild ride.

[Hotel]

i like the part where you go from pro-casual to sockers deserve to be rewarded. pick one, jerk.

No one deserves loot what a twisted paradigm. If you put the time in you should be rewarded, like how every other merit based system works in the world and in games.

[LazyHydras]

Can someone explain why they are doing this instead of just rooting the dragons? Am I missing something? Is that technically infeasible on P99?

[Molitoth]

Can someone explain why they are doing this instead of just rooting the dragons? Am I missing something? Is that technically infeasible on P99?

It's not "classic" is my guess.

[loramin]

Yes, there are those socking the shit out of targets to make this a reality, but thats their prerogative and they should be rewarded for the time spent no matter what you may think of their life choices/how they spend their time.

Why? Is there some inherent moral argument for why 20-year old game pixels should only go to someone pooping in their sock? Was this part of the classic experience I missed?

[Hotel]

Why? Is there some inherent moral argument for why 20-year old game pixels should only go to someone pooping in their sock? Was this part of the classic experience I missed?

Yes there is a moral argument.

Should everyone be able to have a chance for dragons or only a certain group of people. I believe it is more moral when everyone has a chance for dragons than only when a certain group of people have a chance for dragons.

[Kye1709]

What a wild ride.

I'll take Out of Context for 500 Alex.

I'll spell it out for you. Player A doesn't want to compete, sock, wall lick, whatever you want to call it, for pixels because game mechanics (or rather how the server population interacts with the mechanics currently) dictate thats the only way they can get them. Player B is willing to do the above. Player B is willing to play the game, gets reward. Player A, cries/whines until GM interferes and tries to make it "fair".

So, yea, nothing is owed to anyone outside of being able to play a video game they want to without GMs interfering because some other player thinks the way other people are playing the game is "unfair".

Get it?

If everyone got a medal just for "participating", this server would be dead already.

[Mblake1981]

Leave an open world tov for competitiveness. Give each guild an instance that resets every 7 days.

/sigh ... sorry to do this pal

*climbs to the top of High Keep, targets Runyan, clicks drop kick of the damned*

[Wonkie]

socking = rent seeking

[fan D]

as far as i know im the only legit poopsocker, it was over 10 hours at Inny

https://i.imgur.com/jWulto1.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/7rhWLVV.jpg

this is why rotation is better, socks cost like 20 bucks a pack for a decent pair

[Wonkie]

how come "nothing is owed to anyone" doesn't apply to sockers tho?

[Valakut]

https://i.imgur.com/DYCsjVt.jpg

[Hotel]

how come "nothing is owed to anyone" doesn't apply to sockers tho?

Because instead of leading normal lives they choose to sit on a line for 12hrs, it's a really simple reason.

[Mblake1981]

Yes there is a moral argument.

Should everyone be able to have a chance for dragons or only a certain group of people. I believe it is more moral when everyone has a chance for dragons than only when a certain group of people have a chance for dragons.

Again P99 is its own thing because while a chance for every dragon was a classic thing it was not a reality because only a few could get them during the time when it was the thing to get. You can hope all day long but that and where the rubber met the road are two different things.

This is like a boxing argument. Yes, my roommate boxed a cleric and rogue. But this was when having two computers capable of gaming, let alone one computer, was no where near commonplace. Plus having to purchase two copies, two sub fees, phone lines or forking out the money to get cable hooked up with a router.

It was self policing just like classic dragons.

[Wonkie]

Because instead of leading normal lives they choose to sit on a line for 12hrs, it's a really simple reason.

why should we reward bad behavior?

[loramin]

this is why rotation is better, socks cost like 20 bucks a pack for a decent pair

This made me genuinely laugh out loud. Thanks :)

[Kye1709]

Why? Is there some inherent moral argument for why 20-year old game pixels should only go to someone pooping in their sock? Was this part of the classic experience I missed?

You're playing EQ Classic. The exact same video game you played in 1999 (or as close as possible given the coding that exists now). You will never get the "classic experience" because its not 1999, its 2019, and everything outside of the mechanics is different. To use that as an argument for why people shouldn't be able to play the way the want to is :rolleyes:

[Mblake1981]

Miss me with that "we hung out in cyber cafes and would box each others character".. good for you but you didn't buy the damn things and they were not in your home.

TFW the cable guy comes out to instal your line and questions why you have so much ram.. "for a video game? RAM is expensive though"

[aaezil]

I'll take Out of Context for 500 Alex.

I'll spell it out for you. Player A doesn't want to compete, sock, wall lick, whatever you want to call it, for pixels because game mechanics (or rather how the server population interacts with the mechanics currently) dictate thats the only way they can get them. Player B is willing to do the above. Player B is willing to play the game, gets reward. Player A, cries/whines until GM interferes and tries to make it "fair".

So, yea, nothing is owed to anyone outside of being able to play a video game they want to without GMs interfering because some other player thinks the way other people are playing the game is "unfair".

Get it?

If everyone got a medal just for "participating", this server would be dead already.

Some guilds are filled with 100% employed folks

Sorry you are not. (not sorry)

[Hotel]

Some guilds are filled with 100% employed folks

Sorry you are not. (not sorry)

I wonder what you look like irl

[Ruhtar]

I'll take Out of Context for 500 Alex.
So, yea, nothing is owed to anyone outside of being able to play a video game they want to without GMs interfering because some other player thinks the way other people are playing the game is "unfair".

Get it?

So nothing is owed to anyone and it's a F2P server, but you want the GMs who run this server to run it the way you want it?

Ok, yeah, I think I understand now. Thank you for clearing that up.

[Kye1709]

Some guilds are filled with 100% employed folks

Sorry you are not. (not sorry)

Lol at people making assumptions regarding others' RL circumstances. Sorry my job allows me to log in for bat phones and get pixels and yours doesn't?

[Kye1709]

So nothing is owed to anyone and it's a F2P server, but you want the GMs who run this server to run it the way you want it?

Ok, yeah, I think I understand now. Thank you for clearing that up.

Nah, you still don't understand. Too much fortnite?

[loramin]

You're playing EQ Classic. The exact same video game you played in 1999 (or as close as possible given the coding that exists now). You will never get the "classic experience" because its not 1999, its 2019, and everything outside of the mechanics is different. To use that as an argument for why people shouldn't be able to play the way the want to is :rolleyes:

why people shouldn't be able to play the way the want

people

So ... everyone who agrees with you is a person, and everyone who doesn't is ...?

[Ruhtar]

Nah, you still don't understand. Too much fortnite?

Weird how you mention a game that has actual competition. Not that I play it, because it's not my cup of tea, but still funny.

Let me know if you start reading what you type.

[aaezil]

Lol at people making assumptions regarding others' RL circumstances. Sorry my job allows me to log in for bat phones and get pixels and yours doesn't?

I mean you deliver pizza so you can run home to stare at a wall in ToV. I'm sorry you're so upset about pixels, truly.

[Wonkie]

anyway anyone who encourages you to sock is not your friend. it's bad for you.

[LazyHydras]

It's not "classic" is my guess.

Nor is this alternative. I can't think of a single classic server wherein the GMs instituted such a rotation.

[BallzDeep]

On a side note - people are stupid. This is the exact argument that takes place in the US everyday and created the identity politics half you guys try to identify with.

Nothing is hard about this game. The game is a time sink and a hobby/obsession for some. If people choose to obsess or play this game 20 out of 24 hours in a day. God bless them and I hope they are the best. They should be. If you choose you don't want to do that, good for you. You shouldn't. Don't expect to be the best or raid.

Everquest is open world and was intended that way. Open world, to many peoples credit (Alex Afasabi thinks so still) was a great thing because you can be a hero in that game if you so chose to invest heavily. This is the simple principle of life. The more time you invest and the people you surround yourself with, will progress you. If you opt out of that and don't want to invest the time, that's your choice but don't be a whiny bitch about it. You have just as much capability as anyone else and if you enjoy the game so much to respond back on every post that thinks socialism is a terrible thing, you are probably the problem.

[loramin]

Nor is this alternative. I can't think of a single classic server wherein the GMs instituted such a rotation.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=10599&stc=1&d=1549387763

P.S. Note the date at the bottom: definitely classic.

[BallzDeep]

Also I'm putting a bid in that aaezil and wonkie are the same person or two like-minded idiots. Queue in both their responses in 5 minutes.

[loramin]

P.S. To give credit where credit is due, I stole that image from Jauna.

[loramin]

Also I'm putting a bid in that aaezil and wonkie are the same person or two like-minded idiots. Queue in both their responses in 5 minutes.

Heh, clearly you're new here. If you were a part of this community you'd know the two are not at all similar in their postings.

[BallzDeep]

Not similar in postings......yeah, because that decides whether it's the same person. LOL.

[Thorney]

All this QQ'ing about the death of competing is fucking hilarious. The truth is that a handful of elite players on a couple of pull teams have competed at mastery of non-classic pull mechanics while 95% of their guildies login in order to sit at the zone line and hit a few hotkeys. Good riddance to this broken era of P99 and all the lawyer-questing that went with it.

Rotating is good. Cutting the respawn time in half given the needs and population of the server would also be good. At the same time, root the dragons and force the crawl. Raiding NTOV was fun back on live, and it could be fun here too.

[Ella`Ella]

Lol at people saying it will kill the server; nothing kills this cesspool.

You're all far too pixel-sick and will still keep playing as you bitch. And, as long as you keep playing, the server will continue to endure; shitty non-classic rules and all.

Happy raiding!

[Molitoth]

All this QQ'ing about the death of competing is fucking hilarious. The truth is that a handful of elite players on a couple of pull teams have competed at mastery of non-classic pull mechanics while 95% of their guildies login in order to sit at the zone line and hit a few hotkeys. Good riddance to this broken era of P99 and all the lawyer-questing that went with it.

Rotating is good. Cutting the respawn time in half given the needs and population of the server would also be good. At the same time, root the dragons and force the crawl. Raiding NTOV was fun back on live, and it could be fun here too.

/thread

[Mickets]

Drama over having to share pixels is literally the most classic EQ thing of all time. Get immersed, bitches.

[Fingurs]

Drama over having to share pixels is literally the most classic EQ thing of all time. Get immersed, bitches.

There is only 1 guild that is truly salty. You know who - lolz.

[Hangerbaby]

Makes me so happy to see adult men in Aftermath literally fucking shaking with tears over this. SO good.

[Andad_Filla]

https://imgur.com/snIF6I8

[Kelven]

How dare anyone but me be allowed to experience Ntov on this server! ITS NOT CLASSIC

[Legday]

I love it. It's an absolutely terrible idea from every imaginable standpoint (too long because too many guilds, AM increased socking on non-ToV mobs)...but it will cause a ton of drama that will help me through my slow days at work.

[fritzad1]

All this QQ'ing about the death of competing is fucking hilarious. The truth is that a handful of elite players on a couple of pull teams have competed at mastery of non-classic pull mechanics while 95% of their guildies login in order to sit at the zone line and hit a few hotkeys. Good riddance to this broken era of P99 and all the lawyer-questing that went with it.

Rotating is good. Cutting the respawn time in half given the needs and population of the server would also be good. At the same time, root the dragons and force the crawl. Raiding NTOV was fun back on live, and it could be fun here too.

This! Please cut down respawn!

[BallzDeep]

Server definitely won't die. It just won't be fun. Socialism isn't fun and is a terrible thing. It's similar to me getting upset that Jeff Bezos is so successful. I like books and technology too. I haven't spent as much time as him and aligned myself with the right people but still feel that I should have my portion since I've invested time. I have the opportunity to become Jeff Bezos if I want and align myself correctly but it's not what I want. Do I all the sudden deserve his money? No, because I don't want it like he does.

This is the same reason there hasn't been really any good games in the past couple years. Catering the have it now crowd. The game is successful at first, works out but doesn't stand the test of time. If you don't earn it, invest the time or ride the coat tails of other successful people - you chances will always be 0.

[loramin]

Lol at people saying it will kill the server; nothing kills this cesspool.

You're all far too pixel-sick and will still keep playing as you bitch. And, as long as you keep playing, the server will continue to endure

Amen!

shitty non-classic rules and all.

Allow me to introduce this gem Jauna found:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=10599&stc=1&d=1549387763

Note the copyright date at the bottom: rotations are classic as fuck.

[BallzDeep]

That doesn't help your case at all. Pointing to a picture showing that rotations are classic but also pointing out the elephant in the room that there isn't enough room. Good one. I can tell you would do well in politics.

[fan D]

above poster is mad

[loramin]

That doesn't help your case at all. Pointing to a picture showing that rotations are classic but also pointing out the elephant in the room that there isn't enough room. Good one. I can tell you would do well in politics.

Someone said rotations weren't classic. I said they were, and presented evidence. None of that had anything to do with your "elephant in the room".

It'd be like if I tried to shoot down that post you just made for not solving poverty in China. I wouldn't be wrong ... but I also would be ignoring the actual conversation you were having, interjecting my own new conversation topic, and then judging you for not addressing it.

[kotton05]

This kills the server

It kills your shit stain of a zerg tbh

[Kye1709]

Someone said rotations weren't classic. I said they were, and presented evidence. None of that had anything to do with your "elephant in the room".

It'd be like if I tried to shoot down that post you just made for not solving poverty in China. I wouldn't be wrong ... but I also would be ignoring the actual conversation you were having, interjecting my own new conversation topic, and then judging you for not addressing it.

We talking poverty in China in '99 or 2019?

[Kye1709]

I mean you deliver pizza so you can run home to stare at a wall in ToV. I'm sorry you're so upset about pixels, truly.

Little known P99 fact, everyone except Aaezil delivers pizza for a living.

[Fifield]

Makes me so happy to see adult men in Aftermath literally fucking shaking with tears over this. SO good.

Our tears will fade in a few days, not much you can do but either accept this new era of p99, or go do something else with your time.

[BallzDeep]

Someone said rotations weren't classic. I said they were, and presented evidence. None of that had anything to do with your "elephant in the room".

It'd be like if I tried to shoot down that post you just made for not solving poverty in China. I wouldn't be wrong ... but I also would be ignoring the actual conversation you were having, interjecting my own new conversation topic, and then judging you for not addressing it.

No it would be like if I claimed I was more aligned with right views and then I posted something that justified those right views being in place. In that same photo, was another elephant in the room that I failed to address.

[Tiax]

i want to hear more about the evils of socialism on emulated everquest servers in 2019

[BallzDeep]

Steven Crowder - Change my Mind - Project1999 Socialism is evil

[Kust]

everything outside of ToV will be insane now ><

[drdrakes]

If you play for fun instead of for a reason not to kill yourself... Nevermind

[Saludeen]

Can't you guys just fight each other over the spawn???








O WAIT

https://i.imgur.com/R39Xs3b.jpg

[Arcler]

Here's my 2 cents - if it's really about the race and the competition, why does it have to go away?

Most of the top guilds - I am sure - are big enough to form two teams. Green Team vs Orange Team! Shirts vs. Skins!

I mean, Aftermath (or ) has [I]the best pullers on the server. Why wouldn't you want the best of the best competing against each other?

Fumanshu vs Elzhi! Monrezz vs. Fifield!

Heck, even organize tanks/heal chains and whatever. Bonus dkp to whoever gets FTE or the kill, or only that team can loot the dragon!

Note, when targets sit up and are conceded/uncontested, those guilds never do that? They just kill it as fast as possible to get the loot as fast as possible. Makes you wonder.

[loramin]

Braknar neglects his wife and children to obsess over how virtual elf and dragon law impacts a bunch of 50 year old virgins in the year 2019 pass it on

Didn't you just post almost the exact same thing in another thread? Are you just going around copy/pasting your one "talking point" into every thread you can find?

[Utmost]

Domino's and Ford team up for driverless pizza delivery test

[Prostatus]

in 3 months are we going to be talking about at Sleepers rotation?

[loramin]

thats the joke

Heh, different strokes for different folks I guess. I've laughed out loud twice this morning at some actually funny stuff in these threads, but your posts ... not so much. But again, to each their own.

Regardless, after that post about Braknar's wife being fast I really don't expect you to be around for long now anyway.

[Saludeen]

Here we have a bunch of 50 year old nerd virgins causing Braknar to obsess over how virtual dragons and elf laws affect them. In 2019.

[Saludeen]

While neglecting his wife and kids

[TripleLegit]

Braknar is married?

[Kust]

https://me.me/i/4fb85b7fd0aa4ba0ba5984f3acbd56f0

[branamil]

Hard to believe that GMs think waiting 2 months for your "turn" is any way to run a server. Stupid as fuck .

[Kust]

https://imgur.com/a/WUEjU6u

[loramin]

While neglecting his wife and kids

The "fatherhood.com" poster knows exactly what he's doing and is just "playing an alt" (forum account). If it gets banned (and I'm pretty sure it will at this point) it's no skin off his back.

But I'm not sure you do, nor am I sure you are aware that this forum has very strict rules about staff-bashing. Obviously you're trying to be funny and riff off his stuff, but I just thought someone should warn you that you're at the mercy of the forum admins. It's not about what you or I think was funny or was serious staff bashing, it's what they think, and if they don't like how you're talking about the volunteers who give their free time to make this server somewhere we can both play, then your account could be banned.

Just FYI.

[Hashed]

LOL "classic" is crawling ToV like a boss. ZL pulls are not and never were classic (read the plethora of forum posts and strategy discussions available) QQ RIP skillless zerg. Pulling to ZL and training other guilds is not "competition".

[aaezil]

You guys in AM do realize that what happened is the equivalent of your mom making you share your toys with your siblings because you were being too greedy/a bully, right? Right?

[Fifield]

I'm always trying to think of the positive, if im thinking positive here,

right now a guild to compete is forced to kill at entrance, with their turn on tov they could kill the dragons wherever they wanted like they did on classic. pull to aary ledge etc.

[Castigate]

how come "nothing is owed to anyone" doesn't apply to sockers tho?

How come those who take no initiative in acquiring and earning finite resources in a fair environment are handed them?

[aaezil]

How come those who take no initiative in acquiring and earning finite resources in a fair environment are handed them?

Sorry i work for a living and provide bread for my family. I cannot stare at a wall multiple 16 hours a week and pull at 3 am to get emulated eq pixels. I’m truly sorry that there exists peole who do, though.

[Kust]

We were hoping to compete with AG,Bloodguard and Core for Dragons in ToV :(

ya know?

[Pyrrhica]

We were hoping to compete with AG,Bloodguard and Core for Dragons in ToV :(

ya know?

There will always be quakes!

[Castigate]

I love it. It's an absolutely terrible idea from every imaginable standpoint (too long because too many guilds, AM increased socking on non-ToV mobs)...but it will cause a ton of drama that will help me through my slow days at work.

LOL This. :D

[loramin]

How come those who take no initiative in acquiring and earning finite resources in a fair environment are handed them?

Who are you talking about exactly? The vast majority of ToV-raid capable guilds (probably all?) will happily take the initiative to acquire and earn finite resources in a fair environment.

But what you seem to be missing is there are 8 trillion and five (exact number) different "environments" those guilds could earn finite resources in. This new rule takes us from one of those 8 trillion and five to a different one, but it does nothing to eliminate "earning pixels".

You earn pixels by killing dragons, not by pooping in socks.

[Dithien]

https://i.imgur.com/fF1NKHB.jpg

[Syche]

https://i.imgur.com/fF1NKHB.jpg

Haha, #winning

[Fifield]

Lol Dithien

[Qtip]

Looks like some people can get jobs now instead of waiting for a batphone at 3am on a tuesday. Also gives casuals a chance at loot. Interesting to see how many people stay in zerg guilds now, because there was zero competition when the number one guild was a bunch of unemployed stay at home sons.


Braknar doing gods work.

[Wonkie]

jk

[shuklak]

Servers moved to China?

[Khaall Drogo]

THE RULES HAVE BEEN undone lol at the zerg of ppl running to ToV atm!

[Sonderbeast]

THE RULES HAVE BEEN undone lol at the zerg of ppl running to ToV atm!

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Gromf]

It was a prank bro.

[Kluwen2]

THE RULES HAVE BEEN undone lol at the zerg of ppl running to ToV atm!

https://youtu.be/zo-YVqV0v4Q

[Mikebro]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kZ70uUp9eWo

[aaezil]

Wow the temper tantrums made them change their mind that's insane

[CodyF86]

It says prematurely being the key word.

[Castigate]

Wow the temper tantrums made them change their mind that's insane

Well if it's any consolation I'm actually at work missing the fun. :(

[Teppler]

I don’t know much about the raid scene but doesn’t this make big incentive for giant guilds not to exist? At least more than 1.

I would suspect a big guild will stick around but then there will be other players that splinter off and they start creating their own small 40-50 man factions.

[Yoink1986]

What Cody said.

[branamil]

Wow the temper tantrums made them change their mind that's insane

you are like 30% of the posts in this thread lol. Get a job

[Shinko]

Spend that DKP

[Wonkie]

has the alphabetical guild renaming arms race begun yet?

Aftermath needs some competition

[ZiggyTheMuss]

Lol nerds!

[Triiz]

This is like an episode of Intervention where the kid tells his mom if she doesn't give him money to buy heroin he's going to off himself. At first the mom doesn't want to help him feed his addiction, but after the son whines for hours she reluctantly relents and takes him to his dealers house then watches him shoot up on the way home.

[Andad_Filla]

Yeah, why isn't Aegis being used for alphabetical order? :confused:

[Sadiki]

Guilds that never get Vulak or Doze and always say they wish AM was out of the way are actually complaining about this. It's amazing.

Everyone is such a bunch of hypocrites. The people who want competition don't embrace it, and the people who don't want it complain if a rotation is suggested. Shutting down the server is the best option, because this playerbase deserves absolutely nothing and gives no respect to anyone. So much public GM bashing, yet so few bans.

I've played on this server a few years and cursed AM's name for dominating the server. What did I do? I helped build and recruit one of the strongest guilds on the server to COMPETE with them

You need to see a psychiatrist.

[Valakut]

Guilds that never get Vulak or Doze and always say they wish AM was out of the way are actually complaining about this. It's amazing.

Everyone is such a bunch of hypocrites. The people who want competition don't embrace it, and the people who don't want it complain if a rotation is suggested. Shutting down the server is the best option, because this playerbase deserves absolutely nothing and gives no respect to anyone. So much public GM bashing, yet so few bans.



You need to see a psychiatrist.

it's actually a part of the 20 year fabled anniversary the server is doing. there new tov rules only apply to the fabled variants of tov nameds but the code wasn't updated yet. there will basically be regular and fabled variants of each named in tov with a chance at some sweet fabled gear that has even better stats.

[Kluwen2]

Will the top guilds have a summit to discuss a class system before Rogean and company implement a rotation?

Perhaps? Definitely not till all the dragons are dead though!

P.S. Stop petitioning the DA Idol camp

[Dolalin]

This is like an episode of Intervention where the kid tells his mom if she doesn't give him money to buy heroin he's going to off himself. At first the mom doesn't want to help him feed his addiction, but after the son whines for hours she reluctantly relents and takes him to his dealers house then watches him shoot up on the way home.

[Baylan295]

Will the top guilds have a summit to discuss a class system before Rogean and company implement a rotation?

Perhaps? Definitely not till all the dragons are dead though!

P.S. Stop petitioning the DA Idol camp

Maybe if people weren’t assholes holding the camp for 80+ hours, skipping people on the list, and generally acting like children, it wouldn’t need to be petitioned.

[branamil]

One time I got extremely upset about Vopuk Shralok

[Sadiki]

it's actually a part of the 20 year fabled anniversary the server is doing. there new tov rules only apply to the fabled variants of tov nameds but the code wasn't updated yet. there will basically be regular and fabled variants of each named in tov with a chance at some sweet fabled gear that has even better stats.
Don't even joke - that would be amazing.

If this server forced a flat rotation on everything, a portion of the toxic players would leave (boo hoo) and GMs would have tons of free time to run events, add fabled stuff, and generally make the server feel more like the nostalgic and fun EQ everyone originally came here for.

AM would hate it, but whatever. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Solist]

https://i.imgur.com/fF1NKHB.jpg

No.

Some dude who bans people’s accounts for forum posts is not missed.

Good gag tho.

[derpcake2]

ToV rotation is great

Braknar is the best

can't hear your opinions, laughing too hard

[Baylan295]

One time I got extremely upset about Vopuk Shralok

For all the suggestions that people want to compete, the top tier guilds really like to “compete” for the DA idol camp and starve others out of idols that are necessary to compete in ToV and VP. Grats on your FTE on Vopruk after I went LD, bro. Guess it’s all about “gitting gud” when we’re talking about getting those idols.

Just another way that the alleged competition people say they want so badly is unnecessary or just turns into an excuse to be a dick.

[xplit871]

Maybe if people weren’t assholes holding the camp for 80+ hours, skipping people on the list, and generally acting like children, it wouldn’t need to be petitioned.

Never ever seen a list.............. sry bro

[Mblake81]

Maybe if people weren’t assholes holding the camp for 80+ hours, skipping people on the list, and generally acting like children, it wouldn’t need to be petitioned.

Gonna have to get that in writing, double checked by some High Elf lawyers then signed by the King of Felwithe. Even then with the camps proximity to Freeport and the other human settlement of High Keep its sketch at best.

..you know the Dismal Rage has a stranglehold on all human cities (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c3d7QgZr7g).

[Viscere]

I mean, Braknar made a bad call, but you gotta give it to him, all the trolls are out and RnF is lit

pras it

[Foxplay]

I mean, Braknar made a bad call, but you gotta give it to him, all the trolls are out and RnF is lit

pras it

Indeed this is pure entertainment, braknar hitting it out of the park with free entertainment. GM for p99 and sets RnF ablaze. A true hero

[Rygar]

Don't even joke - that would be amazing.

If this server forced a flat rotation on everything, a portion of the toxic players would leave (boo hoo) and GMs would have tons of free time to run events, add fabled stuff, and generally make the server feel more like the nostalgic and fun EQ everyone originally came here for.

AM would hate it, but whatever. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm interested to see how a rotation would affect the pixel sicks. I'm more interested to see a forced crawl of ToV with limitations on coth mages / coth spots. Zone line pulls are essentially an exploit of the game engine AI mechanics, you really can't argue how this works from a roleplay standpoint. You don't abandon the queen or king to chase some scrub all around the zone.

[k9quaint]

Disable CotH in ToV ;)

[Bardp1999]

One time I got extremely upset about Vopuk Shralok

Those that think this is a troll have no idea how the server actually worked

[Sadiki]

I'm interested to see how
I'm sure the raiding community is very interested in what a guy who has literally never raided before wants to see in the raid scene.

[Bardp1999]

Make clickies generate basically no agro and let raid mobs summon at 100% life and the problems of zone line pulling become a thing of the past...That is if you see it as a problem. I personally don't anymore.

[Troxx]

Disable CotH in ToV ;)

And leash the raid mobs to within a short distance of their spawn.

[Zal22]

And the sad state of this server is that there exists a group of sociopaths that vehemently believe that your level of time commitment precludes you from deserving raid loot, and will go to great lengths (poopsocking, 2am batphones, petitionquest, etc.) to enforce that to the best of their ability.

Best post ever.

[Cecily]

Let the era of a million 30 man guilds begin, with peoples alt's spread across another million 30 man guilds.

And there was much rejoicing...

As opposed to 30 million man guilds like AM.

[Mblake1981]

<Tears In Beards>

https://i.imgur.com/r85zKXA.jpg

[Rygar]

I'm sure the raiding community is very interested in what a guy who has literally never raided before wants to see in the raid scene.

Nerve struck, noted. I mean, zone line pulling is fun for a little bit, feeling like you figured shit out for convenience. But in the end, it really just enables 24 / 7 batphone mentality. How many of you would log in the middle of the night for a potential 2 hr coth / crawl with added likelihood for corpse recovery / summoning?

If zone line pulling was outlawed you would have some form of guild sharing / rotation. Without it, keeping a clean Vulak window would be difficult.

Uber guilds burnt out in freaking Velious from crawling ToV, hopefully this will prevent folks from a convenient raid schedule that lets them wake up, push auto attack, loot and go to bed.

This would probably prevent more petitions as well since you arent training a ton of mobs over the zone and accidentally transferring agro.

Truth and Classic, let it be so.

[kotton05]

As opposed to 30 million man guilds like AM.

I lol’d also Cecily y u no in discord now

[Hangerbaby]

Can it be mandatory that any Aftermath player has to post an IRL pic before posting

[thiz1234]

Can it be mandatory that any Aftermath player has to post an IRL pic before posting

We all look like Sloth from the Goonies

[Heebs13]

Nerve struck, noted. I mean, zone line pulling is fun for a little bit, feeling like you figured shit out for convenience. But in the end, it really just enables 24 / 7 batphone mentality. How many of you would log in the middle of the night for a potential 2 hr coth / crawl with added likelihood for corpse recovery / summoning?

If zone line pulling was outlawed you would have some form of guild sharing / rotation. Without it, keeping a clean Vulak window would be difficult.

Uber guilds burnt out in freaking Velious from crawling ToV, hopefully this will prevent folks from a convenient raid schedule that lets them wake up, push auto attack, loot and go to bed.

This would probably prevent more petitions as well since you arent training a ton of mobs over the zone and accidentally transferring agro.

Truth and Classic, let it be so.

I agree 100%. Braknar said his problem with ToV was he hates having to deal with the petitions that happen when people pull dragons on top of each other to zoneline and train each other. His solution of 'full ToV rotation' is the weirdest overreaction I've ever seen to that problem. Just leash the bosses to their spawn or make them summon at 100% health, or make a rule that says absolutely no training in ToV. Problem solved, and the 'LEGENDS' of the server still get to have their video-game olympics.

[Kye1709]

Nerve struck, noted. I mean, zone line pulling is fun for a little bit, feeling like you figured shit out for convenience. But in the end, it really just enables 24 / 7 batphone mentality. How many of you would log in the middle of the night for a potential 2 hr coth / crawl with added likelihood for corpse recovery / summoning?

If zone line pulling was outlawed you would have some form of guild sharing / rotation. Without it, keeping a clean Vulak window would be difficult.

Uber guilds burnt out in freaking Velious from crawling ToV, hopefully this will prevent folks from a convenient raid schedule that lets them wake up, push auto attack, loot and go to bed.

This would probably prevent more petitions as well since you arent training a ton of mobs over the zone and accidentally transferring agro.

Truth and Classic, let it be so.

Just because the game wasn't played a certain way back in 99 doesn't make it any less valid of a way to play now.

[Heebs13]

Just because the game wasn't played a certain way back in 99 doesn't make it any less valid of a way to play now.

The fact that the people crying about p99 being the last holy bastion of raid competition are also the ones who cry at the idea of having to actually put in effort for their pixels tells me the cries for competition are total BS. You're lying to yourselves and to everyone else. If you wanted competition you wouldn't be afraid of crawling to dragons. What you actually want is effortless and exclusive loot.

[Wikipedia]

I hope you all get your wish they root the dragons so everyone gets to see the "difficulty" of sitting around medding for 10 mins after every glimmer.

Damn dude think of all the clutch plays of pressing sit the fastest and then afking.

[Rygar]

Just because the game wasn't played a certain way back in 99 doesn't make it any less valid of a way to play now.

Its debatable if you could even do these zone line pulls in 2001. Pathing was not as good then, and mechanics that were in place (such as proximity agro) are not in place on P99.

It's more of an issue of you actually couldn't do things like this back in the day, and this server seeks to emulate that period of time.

[Nexii]

Rooting the dragons wouldn't be as bad as people say. You would COTH up to a target. Yea there would be some trash clearing but nothing like a full crawl would be.

The issues then are
A) The dragons that CH such as Gozzrem, Jorlleag would be unkillable
B) Dragons with really strong non-classic AOE potentially not having a spot to avoid that AOE damage within heal range, potentially unkillable

[kotton05]

A) manadrain
B) spawn more overlords

[tylercanuck]

Manadrain was tested on Gozzrem. It CH'ed 6 times. It's broken.

[Nexii]

Yea if they patch manadrain to work. Currently it doesn't.

I'd rather they did patch every boss to be rooted, not just TOV but Kael, Thurgadin too. It's so lame fighting raid targets at a zone line staring at a wall.

[Mblake1981]

Yea if they patch manadrain to work. Currently it doesn't.

I'd rather they did patch every boss to be rooted, not just TOV but Kael, Thurgadin too. It's so lame fighting raid targets at a zone line staring at a wall.

+2 forums points.

[Cecily]

I lol’d also Cecily y u no in discord now

Safe space? Name is Jetta till I figure out my discord or.

[Heebs13]

Rooting the dragons wouldn't be as bad as people say. You would COTH up to a target. Yea there would be some trash clearing but nothing like a full crawl would be.

The issues then are
A) The dragons that CH such as Gozzrem, Jorlleag would be unkillable
B) Dragons with really strong non-classic AOE potentially not having a spot to avoid that AOE damage within heal range, potentially unkillable

Summon at 100% HP is better than rooting them, because you could still position them, still push them to interrupt CH, but pulling them to zoneline would be borderline impossible.

[Artaenc]

Summon at 100% HP is better than rooting them, because you could still position them, still push them to interrupt CH, but pulling them to zoneline would be borderline impossible.Just imagine for a second 5 mages in the group constantly summoning the puller to get the dragon to zone...

[Heebs13]

Just imagine for a second 5 mages in the group constantly summoning the puller to get the dragon to zone...

I'm imagining it, but he'd still die instantly on a summon.

[Sadiki]

Not every mob in ToV was rooted on live, and not every mob was given Call of the Zero. It's not like they decided to just root every single mob one day and made half of them unkillable.

Aside from people not liking the "competition" being removed, this solution is just... lazy? I was always a fan of banning all this toxicity (face it, competition here is fake, people are bad sports, rude, and only want to see each other burn through lawyerquest) and if players leave, oh well... but obliterating AM with such a drastic rule change is insane. Even only spending a few minutes thinking about adding a rotation, you can rotate ToV and just cut it into sections that are assigned to each guild and forbid people from training each other. With no rush to kill mobs, even people doing zoneline pulls can just do it whenever another guild isn't in the way (which would only be a problem if someone is crawling at 4way/Aary).

> Wing 1 - Doze+West
> Wing 2 - Iki/Aary/Fesh/Dag/Krei
> Wing 3 - Vyemm/Koi/Lady M/Vulak
> Wing 4 - Trips+Twins

Now four guilds get mobs a week. You'd need to set up a tracker so quakes aren't a cluster, but that's already the case anyways. You can also just give mobs to guilds that can handle them without an all-or-nothing ToV solution, because why shouldn't you be able to go for Telk just because you can't do Lady M?

Point is, there's tons of ways to handle this that don't involve locking most of the server out of ToV for 2 months at a time. Enforcing rotations on only select mobs - and adding in guilds that don't kill said mobs in the first place - just seems like it wasn't thought out much and is going to have other repercussions on things outside of ToV as all the people on this selfish server scramble for pixels week after week.

Alternatively, just implement it and let the world crumble. This ain't a paid service. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Castigate]

Mobs summon every what, 6ish seconds? And I dont think you can get summoned while DA?
We'd pull your mob ;)

[Quizlop]

Is there a way to make it so that when a dragon leaves the North Wing they do Vulak's call for help? That would be pretty cool.

[Ghostly]

Can we bring Sirken back?

[Heebs13]

Mobs summon every what, 6ish seconds? And I dont think you can get summoned while DA?
We'd pull your mob ;)

Mobs summon every 6 seconds or so, I don't know if you can be summoned while DAed.

However, while you are DAed you are automatically LOWEST on aggro, so all your 2ndary taggers would get summoned and eaten alive while the puller used DA. Not only that, but spells (even friendly ones) won't land on you, so good luck getting 2ndary aggro while your puller is DAed. And unless your DA is lasting several minutes, it's going to fade and you're going to get summoned and killed anyway - and all of this is assuming you can't get summoned while DAed.

And if you are REALLY that hellbent on breaking this, we could just save the trouble and just make it a rule that you're not allowed to train in ToV. We've already seen the GMs are considering a sweeping rule change so it's not like we should assume this is off the table.

[Heebs13]

Personally I don't understand how the current pull strategy in ToV isn't considered zone disruption with the rules we already have.

[Wonkie]

Rygars no push interrupt thing smells like a lie

is it actually classic?

[Mblake81]

just cut it into sections that are assigned to each guild and forbid people from training each other.

haha

Player: /petition Hi, the guys in guild A trained us in guild B. We had a player agreement that this wouldn't happen. We have fraps but they are from a bad angle. We would like you to leave your family at meal time and review this footage asap please, thx.

GM: *grumbles: goddamn these people*: Ok so I have reviewed your footage that wasn't taken at the place you described, I also didn't see what you claimed happen. But since this is a retar.. err rational agreement I will enforce the agreement you knew you couldn't keep.

Guild A: BULLSHIT

Guild B: HAHA! Free LEWTS

GM: FuCk... can I go back to my meal now? ffs

[Rygar]

Rygars no push interrupt thing smells like a lie

is it actually classic?

Lol, definitely not a lie. Hard evidence backs it up. If you were a vet during Velious timeframe or even Luclin / PoP and came to P99, I guarantee you players taught you how to push here.

[Sadiki]

Hi, the guys in guild A trained us in guild B.
I mean, it sounds ridiculous to say "just enforce no trains" in the current era of lawyerquest kiddies, but it's significantly easier to enforce a no train rule when the mobs aren't contested by multiple people, and people aren't likely to be in the same spots at the same time. It's just way easier in general to enforce everything and players have the actual option to not pull it the instant it spawns. Currently, you have to, which really sets people up for bans due to mistakes and isn't fair. The server rules themselves are pretty much dictating that you have to bring a mob to the zoneline right after it pops.
hopefully this will prevent folks from a convenient
^ Wedar's motivation behind his endless bug reports to get things nerfed.

[Wonkie]

Lol, definitely not a lie. Hard evidence backs it up. If you were a vet during Velious timeframe or even Luclin / PoP and came to P99, I guarantee you players taught you how to push here.

am i misunderstanding or does that mean stun immune mobs can't be interrupted?

what

[Heebs13]

I mean, it sounds ridiculous to say "just enforce no trains" in the current era of lawyerquest kiddies, but it's significantly easier to enforce a no train rule when the mobs aren't contested by multiple people, and people aren't likely to be in the same spots at the same time. It's just way easier in general to enforce everything and players have the actual option to not pull it the instant it spawns. Currently, you have to, which really sets people up for bans due to mistakes and isn't fair. The server rules themselves are pretty much dictating that you have to bring a mob to the zoneline right after it pops.

^ Wedar's motivation behind his endless bug reports to get things nerfed.

I mean, rotation or no rotation, a 'no trains' rule would kill the current meta of pulling bosses to the zoneline in ToV seeing as how every one of those pulls involves MULTIPLE trains. I can't believe what goes on in ToV was ever allowed to happen at all, let alone go on unabated for years. Dragging the entirety of picture room and ToV North through 4way and ToV West so that you can pull an aoeing dragon to zoneline (potentially with adds if you mess up) makes the entire zone an unplayable mess for the duration of your pull and murders anyone caught unaware, or if you wipe, everyone at the zone in too. It should be considered zone disruption and it shouldn't be allowed. The minute you send a monk to one of the wings and start dragging a train towards 4 way while shouting 'train, 4 way not safe' your guild should be DQed from whatever raid mob is up and potentially raid banned if your guild does it repeatedly. If there's a guild in North crawling and you pull a train into them, that should also get you an immediate DQ and potential ban.

[Sadiki]

Oh you mean like, no trains ever. I meant no training people with stuffs.

How about no killing mobs? Violence is corrupting our youth.

[Heebs13]

Oh you mean like, no trains ever. I meant no training people with stuffs.

How about no killing mobs? Violence is corrupting our youth.

Unfortunately the way things are right now, trains result in unintended player deaths in ToV more often than they don't. People get trained with stuffs. If the goal is to stop all the petitionquest resulting from the training in ToV, then banning training is the most direct route to that. A rotation, of course, could also stop the petitionquest, but a lot of people are very strongly opposed to a rotation, and the way the rotation was described in Braknar's post left a million loose ends and ways that guilds could just get utterly screwed. Instituting a 'no trains ever' rule would still allow people to compete for their dragons and it would solve the problem.

Of course, like I mentioned earlier, if the people complaining that they want competition ACTUALLY just want easy and exclusive loot, then the 'no trains ever' rule is horrible for them because it means they have to actually work for their kills, instead of logging in, hitting auto-attack on a dragon that is hand-delivered to them at zoneline, and collecting their dkp and pixels. The best thing that could happen for these folks is no change at all.

[Fingurs]

Unfortunately the way things are right now, trains result in unintended player deaths in ToV more often than they don't. People get trained with stuffs. If the goal is to stop all the petitionquest resulting from the training in ToV, then banning training is the most direct route to that. A rotation, of course, could also stop the petitionquest, but a lot of people are very strongly opposed to a rotation, and the way the rotation was described in Braknar's post left a million loose ends and ways that guilds could just get utterly screwed. Instituting a 'no trains ever' rule would still allow people to compete for their dragons and it would solve the problem.

Of course, like I mentioned earlier, if the people complaining that they want competition ACTUALLY just want easy and exclusive loot, then the 'no trains ever' rule is horrible for them because it means they have to actually work for their kills, instead of logging in, hitting auto-attack on a dragon that is hand-delivered to them at zoneline, and collecting their dkp and pixels. The best thing that could happen for these folks is no change at all.


First off - the people who didnt like rotation was 99.9% Aftermath.

I dont recall AG/Core/BG/PS/Tempest coming out in droves against it. If they did, I apologize, I must've missed that.

2nd of all - banning the 'trainers' is not enough, because most nerds on here have like 8 toons. This benefits gigantic guilds like - oh wow, look at that, AFTERMATH. You guys average 18 monks at a raid. So you ban, 1 for 7 days, Then another, then another, then another....etc.etc.etc. but again were back to petition quest over who trained who and how.

Take NToV pulling as an example - the Wyverns would get trained all the time. Sometimes it was obvious it was done on purpose, other times it was not so obvious - but the amount of angles and everything you would need to cover yourself was / is stupid.

All of this comes down to how Rogean wants to run his server.

If he wants people to be happy, then its a rotation.

If he wants competition, then leave it how it is.

Trying to conflate the 2 is just flat out bad.

There is not such thing as happy competition. Either you deal with it, or you suppress it.

[Heebs13]

First off - the people who didnt like rotation was 99.9% Aftermath.

I dont recall AG/Core/BG/PS/Tempest coming out in droves against it. If they did, I apologize, I must've missed that.

2nd of all - banning the 'trainers' is not enough, because most nerds on here have like 8 toons. This benefits gigantic guilds like - oh wow, look at that, AFTERMATH. You guys average 18 monks at a raid. So you ban, 1 for 7 days, Then another, then another, then another....etc.etc.etc. but again were back to petition quest over who trained who and how.

Take NToV pulling as an example - the Wyverns would get trained all the time. Sometimes it was obvious it was done on purpose, other times it was not so obvious - but the amount of angles and everything you would need to cover yourself was / is stupid.

All of this comes down to how Rogean wants to run his server.

If he wants people to be happy, then its a rotation.

If he wants competition, then leave it how it is.

Trying to conflate the 2 is just flat out bad.

There is not such thing as happy competition. Either you deal with it, or you suppress it.

At least take the time to read my post - I clearly said the whole guild should get DQed and possibly raid banned, not just the player who does the train.

Also, I'm in AG, not Aftermath. There was quite a bit of dissatisfaction with the rotation as proposed, for many reasons.

[Rygar]

Norrathian Missed Connections

Forum User: Sadiki

I see your smile as you mock me... your gentle jabs a clear double entendre for the teasing push of your member against me. You troll me like a Cauldron Trout, begging me to bite your wiggling wet hooked worm. I know it's a trap, but I can't help take the bait.

The acute curvature of your genitalia is welcoming, and your gonorrhea stings me as surely any fish hook. Wildly I thrash as you fight to bring me forth. You catch. You release.

I shall find you again, my appetite only grows.

[Fingurs]

At least take the time to read my post - I clearly said the whole guild should get DQed and possibly raid banned, not just the player who does the train.

Also, I'm in AG, not Aftermath. There was quite a bit of dissatisfaction with the rotation as proposed, for many reasons.

I did - whole guild banned is petition quest. Sorry if that come off as clear.

Lastly, I dont get why AG would be upset with the rotation, it would benefit you guys, but I digress.

[Detoxx]

I did - whole guild banned is petition quest. Sorry if that come off as clear.

Lastly, I dont get why AG would be upset with the rotation, it would benefit you guys, but I digress.

AKA - "Im an idiot and have no idea what im talking about but will continue to spew Aftermath rhetoric because even when im proven wrong im still right."

[Heebs13]

I did - whole guild banned is petition quest. Sorry if that come off as clear.

Lastly, I dont get why AG would be upset with the rotation, it would benefit you guys, but I digress.

Don't want to get petitioned? Don't break the rules.

There's like 10 threads on why the rotation was a bad idea. Here's the Cliff's Notes:


Rotations are boring
There are over a dozen EQ servers already in existence that have rotations or instancing. If you want a rotation or instancing, play on one of those.
There are a dozen MMOs that have instancing. You could play on one of those.
Rotating TOV allows Aftermath to focus 100% on all the other zones. You would get approximately zero targets outside of TOV with the proposed rotation.
No one wants to wait a minimum of 9 weeks between TOV attempts.
Some of us worked hard to get where we are. A rotation would negate that work.
The ruleset as described by Braknar would mean if an earthquake happens during your week, too bad, you get skipped.
The ruleset as described by Braknar would mean you could kill your dragons at the end of your week and cause the next guild to lose out on approximately 50% of their dragons due to spawn variance.


The only way the proposed rotation would benefit AG is if you look at it purely from a 'do I get more free Vulak and Doze pixels?' standpoint. If you take any of the above into consideration, it doesn't benefit us at all. The only people it benefits are people who kill an average of zero raid targets in ALL zones each week and who just want things handed to them.

Want your fair share of loot but you don't want to deal with trains in ToV? You want trains banned.

Want free loot without having to work for it? You want a rotation / instancing.

[branamil]

Having only 6 attempts per YEAR at ToV is boring as fuck.

[Rygar]

Having only 6 attempts per YEAR at ToV is boring as fuck.

+12 to 36 earthquake FFA.

[branamil]

+12 to 36 earthquake FFA.

False, 0-36 EQs per year

[Heebs13]

False, 0-36 EQs per year

And if one of those earthquakes lands on your designated week, too bad!

[Fingurs]

AKA - "Im an idiot and have no idea what im talking about but will continue to spew Aftermath rhetoric because even when im proven wrong im still right."

Lol.

As it was famously said here before, we all know you would trip your own mother down the stairs, if it meant you getting pixels.

I would expect nothing less outta you - But keep telling yourself you want competition, when all you did was try every day to get true competition banned.

Im sure AG/BG/Core are a real threat to you. PLEASE................ not even close. As evidenced by the 0 contest of KT/Statue/AOW yesterday lol

Server is super healthy!

[Hotel]

Lol.

As it was famously said here before, we all know you would trip your own mother down the stairs, if it meant you getting pixels.

I would expect nothing less outta you - But keep telling yourself you want competition, when all you did was try every day to get true competition banned.

Im sure AG/BG/Core are a real threat to you. PLEASE................ not even close. As evidenced by the 0 contest of KT/Statue/AOW yesterday lol

Server is super healthy!

sorry your guild was shit

[Hotel]

Being in Tempest feels so, damn, good.

Even people not in guild track our top player's progress like kids track LeBron James' stats.

Want to learn from the BEST players on the server? Look no further. Tempest houses the top players in basically every class.

Dont believe me? Ask around - everyone knows their names, and follows them religiously.

Tempest - is - the place to be.

......Unless of course you like splitting a sandwich with 150 of your closest cousins.

[Sadiki]

I dont recall AG/Core/BG/PS/Tempest coming out in droves against it.
They would if it was batphoned

[Fingurs]

Lol - you're so mad about the rotation

[branamil]

I just find it funny that AEGIS was floated as having a spot.... I have never even seen them express any interest at all in raiding velious. So the other 8 guilds have to wait an extra week so that AEGIS can get their special little training wheels raid in that the GMs are gifting to them?

[Fingurs]

I just find it funny that AEGIS was floated as having a spot.... I have never even seen them express any interest at all in raiding velious. So the other 8 guilds have to wait an extra week so that AEGIS can get their special little training wheels raid in that the GMs are gifting to them?

Dude it was a prelim - nothing was final. You are making assumptions.

[Littul Jonn]

Lol.

As it was famously said here before, we all know you would trip your own mother down the stairs, if it meant you getting pixels.

I would expect nothing less outta you - But keep telling yourself you want competition, when all you did was try every day to get true competition banned.

Im sure AG/BG/Core are a real threat to you. PLEASE................ not even close. As evidenced by the 0 contest of KT/Statue/AOW yesterday lol

Server is super healthy!

It probably got buried in here but most of AG was against the rotation, so was Core and BG from my understanding. If you look at the post i made earlier in here, basically said we worked really hard to compete with AM on targets. We wont contest them all because we are still building but we actually prevented them from getting a clean sweep in ToV. Sure it wasn't Doze/Vulak but our members were happy with what we got.

Competition is great, pushes us to get better. As Heebs said, there are plenty of instanced/rotated servers out there. To each their own, but this server having competition is a good thing imo.

And before anyone says "what competition?! AM owns the server!?!" They didn't kill every target in the game this cycle, lots of gains made by Core, BG, AG. Just gotta work for it.

[Fingurs]

It probably got buried in here but most of AG was against the rotation, so was Core and BG from my understanding. If you look at the post i made earlier in here, basically said we worked really hard to compete with AM on targets. We wont contest them all because we are still building but we actually prevented them from getting a clean sweep in ToV. Sure it wasn't Doze/Vulak but our members were happy with what we got.

Competition is great, pushes us to get better. As Heebs said, there are plenty of instanced/rotated servers out there. To each their own, but this server having competition is a good thing imo.

And before anyone says "what competition?! AM owns the server!?!" They didn't kill every target in the game this cycle, lots of gains made by Core, BG, AG. Just gotta work for it.

Fair enough - Did they get Vulak/Doze/AoW/KT?

If the answer is yes - they killed everything. heh

[Sonderbeast]

Fair enough - Did they get Vulak/Doze/AoW/KT?

If the answer is yes - they killed everything. heh

https://i.imgur.com/sLM68y5.gif

[Nixtar]

What if instead of rotating we could spin though?

[Viscere]

And before anyone says "what competition?! AM owns the server!?!" They didn't kill every target in the game this cycle, lots of gains made by Core, BG, AG. Just gotta work for it.

And this is why you will keep getting more and more until AM eventually gets lesd than ABC (Ag/Bg/Core), because you work hard for it

[Fifield]

Lol.

As it was famously said here before, we all know you would trip your own mother down the stairs, if it meant you getting pixels.

I would expect nothing less outta you - But keep telling yourself you want competition, when all you did was try every day to get true competition banned.

Im sure AG/BG/Core are a real threat to you. PLEASE................ not even close. As evidenced by the 0 contest of KT/Statue/AOW yesterday lol

Server is super healthy!

servers alot healthier without you in it,

kaboooom

[Fifield]

Can it be mandatory that any Aftermath player has to post an IRL pic before posting

it isnt even fair, Kekian is the sexiest one by a long shot,

hes gods gift to women

[Mblake1981]

I just find it funny that AEGIS was floated as having a spot.... I have never even seen them express any interest at all in raiding velious. So the other 8 guilds have to wait an extra week so that AEGIS can get their special little training wheels raid in that the GMs are gifting to them?

They could quit Aegis and join AM or one of these other guilds mentioned here, I am sure they will go from training wheels to something other than a warm body by doing that.

If they join they will not be called a pack of assbaggers, at least not to their face.

[Dithien]

And before anyone says "what competition?! AM owns the server!?!" They didn't kill every target in the game this cycle, lots of gains made by Core, BG, AG. Just gotta work for it.

So what did you guys get?

[Heebs13]

So what did you guys get?

I'm probably missing a few here but this cycle, to my knowledge, AG got:

TFA
Feshlak
Prog
Jorlleag
Fright
Dread
Terror
CT (joint raid, but grats Oct on Brain)
Ikatiar
Cekenar
Klandicar
Yelinak

I look forward to hearing why these targets don't matter.

[kotton05]

giggling at azure guard.

Those targets don’t matter much, maybe CT....

All the mobs you named are dwarfed in terms of itemization compared to vulak/doze/vyemm/kriezan etc... the amount of BiS in that list is minimal at best. That’s why they don’t matter. At this point the dragons/mobs you named are prolly alt status in AM since they only have a couple items each on their loot table..

[Mblake1981]

giggling at azure guard.

Those targets don’t matter much, maybe CT....

All the mobs you named are dwarfed in terms of itemization compared to vulak/doze/vyemm/kriezan etc... the amount of BiS in that list is minimal at best. That’s why they don’t matter. At this point the dragons/mobs you named are prolly alt status in AM since they only have a couple items each on their loot table..

CT brain in the range slot of an alt bard used for selos and mana song.

[kotton05]

CT brain in the range slot of an alt bard used for selos and mana song.

The 1 mana regen doesnt matter that much it’s a good range for anyone but a couple classes

[Mblake1981]

yeah and the eye is nice.

Just saying CT brain on an alt bard used for selos and mana is pretty l33t, well to me anyway.

[Heebs13]

giggling at azure guard.

Those targets don’t matter much, maybe CT....

All the mobs you named are dwarfed in terms of itemization compared to vulak/doze/vyemm/kriezan etc... the amount of BiS in that list is minimal at best. That’s why they don’t matter. At this point the dragons/mobs you named are prolly alt status in AM since they only have a couple items each on their loot table..

Cool so if those targets don't matter I guess we won't see anyone else competing for the next week? Sounds great, we will take them for free then, thanks.

Also glad to hear that when the next rotation gets proposed, the only mobs anyone will ask for a rotation on is Vulak, Doze, Vyemm, and Kriezan.

[fan D]

NEWSFLASH

all of the content you raid was cleared day 1 of release. Within 6 hours of Velious launch the whole continent was cleared. You don't need any of these items to raid or do anything. Everything was cleared with cobalt breastplates and lammy's.

not to mention atleast 2/3 the stats have -ZERO- value. Resists are as useful as agility and dex, NOTHING

yall raidin for items that don't help you progress your character or guild

SYCK lyfe!

[Heebs13]

NEWSFLASH

all of the content you raid was cleared day 1 of release. Within 6 hours of Velious launch the whole continent was cleared. You don't need any of these items to raid or do anything. Everything was cleared with cobalt breastplates and lammy's.

not to mention atleast 2/3 the stats have -ZERO- value. Resists are as useful as agility and dex, NOTHING

yall raidin for items that don't help you progress your character or guild

SYCK lyfe!

Who cares? People enjoy doing it for fun. Your fantasy football league doesn't matter either.

[fan D]

Nobody in this thread wants competition. Absolutely zero people want other guilds to compete with in ToV. We all want to not sock and kill dragons, stop lieing

[fan D]

Who cares? People enjoy doing it for fun. Your fantasy football league doesn't matter either.

no one has fun staring at a wall for 16 hours, or pressing auto attack

[Heebs13]

no one has fun staring at a wall for 16 hours, or pressing auto attack

That's nice, sweetie. Go back to doing whatever it is you do, then.

[fan D]

how any FTE's do you have?

[Heebs13]

how any FTE's do you have?

HAHAHAHAHA

[Mblake1981]

Cool so if those targets don't matter I guess we won't see anyone else competing for the next week? Sounds great, we will take them for free then, thanks.

Also glad to hear that when the next rotation gets proposed, the only mobs anyone will ask for a rotation on is Vulak, Doze, Vyemm, and Kriezan.

Doesn't jive with competition. The mobs still have loot and it will still be got, its just not as important as other loot.

CT brain, Alt bard range.

[fan D]

HAHAHAHAHA

i was the first on the project to slay Vulak and wake the Sleeper

https://i.imgur.com/pQMTzxH.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/znXspfp.png

[Mblake1981]

NEWSFLASH

all of the content you raid was cleared day 1 of release. Within 6 hours of Velious launch the whole continent was cleared. You don't need any of these items to raid or do anything. Everything was cleared with cobalt breastplates and lammy's.

not to mention atleast 2/3 the stats have -ZERO- value. Resists are as useful as agility and dex, NOTHING

yall raidin for items that don't help you progress your character or guild

SYCK lyfe!

Word.

Appeal of the green server is to do the same thing, get that awesome stuff within 6 hours of the doors opening and to cock block anyone else. lol when they cry on the forums, tell the losers they are welcome.

https://i.imgur.com/9lZ3Zh4.jpg?1

[Heebs13]

i was the first on the project to slay Vulak and wake the Sleeper

https://i.imgur.com/pQMTzxH.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/znXspfp.png

I don't care.

[Mblake1981]

i was the first on the project to slay Vulak and wake the Sleeper

The entrance to Kael is not big enough to fit this dick.

[fan D]

I don't care.

perhaps youll care about the project first Primal Velium Spear?

coz youre lookin at it

https://i.imgur.com/xIsKnIC.jpg



do you know how I became the first player on p99 to obtain the first Primal Velium Spear?

https://i.imgur.com/jWulto1.jpg

[Mblake1981]

perhaps youll care about the project first Primal Velium Spear?

coz youre lookin at it

OMG

[Heebs13]

perhaps youll care about the project first Primal Velium Spear?

coz youre lookin at it

https://i.imgur.com/xIsKnIC.jpg



do you know how I became the first player on p99 to obtain the first Primal Velium Spear?

https://i.imgur.com/jWulto1.jpg

I don't think you're getting it.

I do not care.

I do not care in the slightest what loot you got or what kills you achieved. I think it's absolutely hilarious that you would walk into this forum, try to put down everyone else that plays the game, and then immediately try to get into a dick measuring contest because you think you're better than them because you happened to do it 'first', over a decade after the people who actually did it first. Every achievement you boast about in an attempt to impress me is doing the exact opposite.

If you had linked these pictures in different context, I might say "oh grats, that's neato," because it would be the polite thing to do. But the fact you are literally trying to prove you're better than everyone else because you got your pixels before other people got their pixels is just absolutely pathetic. Good god man. Get a life.

[YendorLootmonkey]

perhaps youll care about the project first Primal Velium Spear?

coz youre lookin at it

https://i.imgur.com/xIsKnIC.jpg



do you know how I became the first player on p99 to obtain the first Primal Velium Spear?

https://i.imgur.com/jWulto1.jpg

Damn, dude... save some pussy for the rest of us. :(

[fan D]

I don't think you're getting it.

I do not care.

I do not care in the slightest what loot you got or what kills you achieved. I think it's absolutely hilarious that you would walk into this forum, try to put down everyone else that plays the game, and then immediately try to get into a dick measuring contest because you think you're better than them because you happened to do it 'first', over a decade after the people who actually did it first. Every achievement you boast about in an attempt to impress me is doing the exact opposite.

If you had linked these pictures in different context, I might say "oh grats, that's neato," because it would be the polite thing to do. But the fact you are literally trying to prove you're better than everyone else because you got your pixels before other people got their pixels is just absolutely pathetic. Good god man. Get a life.


https://i.imgur.com/TFGLKSe.gif

[Mblake1981]

https://i.imgur.com/TDGiu4j.gif

[Heebs13]

https://i.imgur.com/TFGLKSe.gif

Fan D right now:

https://coub.com/view/4quho

[Hotel]

Fan D right now:

https://coub.com/view/4quho

You do play a cleric to be fair

<3

[Castigate]

giggling at azure guard.

Those targets don’t matter much, maybe CT....

All the mobs you named are dwarfed in terms of itemization compared to vulak/doze/vyemm/kriezan etc... the amount of BiS in that list is minimal at best. That’s why they don’t matter. At this point the dragons/mobs you named are prolly alt status in AM since they only have a couple items each on their loot table..

This exact attitude I believe is why Tempest ultimately failed, they didn't seem to care about winning, only getting the best loots. Just about all of the mobs drop something that someone in your guild will be happy about, and when you only care about the top prizes, your average members will suffer watching only the elites get any loot at all.
At the end of the day victory is a better prize than all the pixels in EQ will ever be.

[fan D]

^ probably the biggest crock of shit i've ever read on the forums

everybody just wants to loot, you don't even believe what you say, no one does

[Hotel]

^ probably the biggest crock of shit i've ever read on the forums

everybody just wants to loot, you don't even believe what you say, no one does

You're not as smart as you think you are.

Read better.

[kotton05]

Cool so if those targets don't matter I guess we won't see anyone else competing for the next week? Sounds great, we will take them for free then, thanks.

Also glad to hear that when the next rotation gets proposed, the only mobs anyone will ask for a rotation on is Vulak, Doze, Vyemm, and Kriezan.

It’s not that they don’t matter they just really suck in comparison.

[kotton05]

Not to mention getting to Vulak is a chore and you basically did all the dirty work to let them get big V

[Mblake1981]

At the end of the day victory is a better prize

Amen

https://i.imgur.com/S3DdLz0.jpg?1

[Dithien]

This exact attitude I believe is why Tempest ultimately failed, they didn't seem to care about winning, only getting the best loots. Just about all of the mobs drop something that someone in your guild will be happy about, and when you only care about the top prizes, your average members will suffer watching only the elites get any loot at all.
At the end of the day victory is a better prize than all the pixels in EQ will ever be.

Tempest’s problem was the same as what the rest of these guilds have. We didn’t have the numbers to go after targets 24/7.

[Heebs13]

It’s not that they don’t matter they just really suck in comparison.

None of the loot rotted. Everyone was happy. Guess it depends on your perspective. We had fun and people got upgrades. Dunno what you need to be happy but hope you get it too.